“Flawed”Posted April 10, 2013 8:58 am
OneInchPunch-My point isn’t floored. Its Flying HIGH….There was NO KING at 168 and that’s why they created the Super 6 tournament to determine the new KING. That’s why the RING belt was on the line in the Final….Calzaghe VACATED the Ring Belt at 168 and Ward is the SUCESSOR. Ward had NO King to FACE. HE has become King and the Castle is in Oakland, California. WhOEVER wants to become King MUST come into Ward’s castle and take the Crown like a MAN. All Crying and Begging will be in VAIN.Posted April 7, 2013 7:00 pm
TG-Like I SAID Ward has BEEN there and DONE that. Go and read UP on it.Posted April 7, 2013 6:06 pm
Boxtradamus – your point about King & castle are floored… here’s why, WHEN DID WARD TRAVEL TO FACE THE KING IN HIS CASTLE….. HE DIDN’T. he expected the king to travel to him!! now this is a fact. You should really think before making silly comments like that.Posted April 5, 2013 4:52 am
I think the egotistical throbbing member that is Boxtradamus would try to disagreePosted April 5, 2013 3:17 am
George is still a little bit green for all of them. Ward would tie him up all night long. Froch would bully him and Stietglitz would give him something to think about.
Still too early for George and I’m a big fan!Posted April 4, 2013 8:41 pm
Travelling, it’s not the miles, it’s the different environment when you fight away, different country,press conferences, etc, etc, gyms, a differnt thing altogether.Posted April 4, 2013 7:06 pm
Actually I agree with Groves. In an even money fight I”d bet on him against anyone at 168 except Ward, who is the man till someone can prove otherwise. So IMO they should match Groves against any of the other title holders.Posted April 4, 2013 6:00 pm
Don’t think Ward would be too scared to travel to take on Groves,sounds like Gorge has spent too long listening to them two idiots Booth and Haye,unfortunately for him he wont be able to talk his way to a big title shot A.L.A David Haye.given he’s got zero personality and not much more ability.Posted April 4, 2013 5:19 pm
Martinez at 164 would be an excellent fight. That way Ward will have faced all the best in his division and best in the two closest divisions.Posted April 4, 2013 5:08 pm
Ward already proved in the AMATEURS that he can give UP 10lbs and still WIN. SO he should remain at 168 but take on Dawson while allowing him to weigh in at 175. TAKE his title and then continue to take at least 2 Fights per year where he defends once per YEAR in each Division all while weighing IN at 168. He should also try to make the Martinez Fight even IF he has to drop 4 pounds. Its always GOOD to get some Top 10 P4P opponents on your resume regardless of their weight class. Boxing is a Sport NOT a weight class.Posted April 4, 2013 4:14 pm
When I first saw Groves, some time ago, I actually liked his style, found him quite good technically, and all that. I thought he could do well, at the level just under the Smw top 10.
But for Groves to say that Ward is the only Smw, he can’t handle is just not logical. The top 10 Smws, he will never come close to. Stieglitz and Abraham would easily handle Groves fx.
Froch and Kessler would Ko him, within 3 rounds. It would be downright dangerous to put Groves, in a ring with Froch or Kessler.
Groves can have a fine career against Smw top 10-20 and maybe take a chance against Bute.Posted April 4, 2013 3:38 pm
Ward should have traveled in the super 6, no doubt about it.Posted April 4, 2013 3:20 pm
Ward can beat every fighter in 168 and 175. He’s just that damn good. Eventually he’s going to have to go up in weight, unless he wants to pull a JC and stay there for his whole career and miss out on big fights at other weights.Posted April 4, 2013 3:19 pm
Ward isn’t afraid to travel… He WON his Olympic Gold medal IN Europe WITH European Countries competing. In FACT he beat 3 Eastern Europeans IN EUROPE while giving UP 10 lbs to WIN his Gold Medal. SO Ward was already proven away from home before he became a PRO…..As a PRO Ward has become KING of his Division and the PRINCE of the ENTIRE Sport of Boxing as he is rated #2 P4P….IF the American home Fight advantage was THAT much of a Factor then EVERY American that hasn’t left the country as a PRO would be UNDEFEATED and rated #2 P4P.Posted April 4, 2013 1:07 pm
Ward is arfraid to travel
Kessler had the belt and brought it to Ward Hometown to try to defend it there.
Seems like Ward hasn’t the balls to travel to europe an fight the Kessler/Froch winnerPosted April 4, 2013 12:07 pm
steve-YES. NO point in taking the conversation any further as MY response is already posted with NO errors….Again, Ward left home to become KING and since he became that he has now earned the Right to Defend his Crown anywhere HE decides. That’s how Boxing works. Now WHO can beat Ward in his Castle is the question. And YOU have NO answers which demonstrates that Ward is in his rightful place atop the THRONE.Posted April 4, 2013 11:28 am
Your Quote “Now that he’s DONE it and become KING there is NO reason to accomodate the Challenger “……Ward during the super six didn’t accommodate the champion by stepping into their back yard, which suggests to me a clear lack of bollocks.
I think Ward is a fantastic fighter regardless of his lack of cojones.
Not going to take this conversation any further, as you really can’t see the error in your response.Posted April 4, 2013 6:15 am
This home advantage thing is severely dated and a tired excuse for why Ward destroyed the SMW division at a young age… He is wayyyyy better than the Relatively predictable Frochs and Kesslers of the world… I thought Dawson would lose but the bout would be more competitive, I was WRONG Wards a streaking fighter who is only gonna get derailed by injuries…Posted April 4, 2013 6:08 am
steve-Ward doesn’t have MUCH to prove to those in the KNOW as they already have him not as potentially ONE of the BEST 168 pounders, but THE BEST 168 pounder. They also have him as the 2nd BEST Boxer in the ENTIRE Sport of Boxing…. That’s why he’s rated at #2 P4P…And MY quotes were not contradictory. Beating Froch helped Ward to become KING at 168 and he had to leave home to DO it. Now that he’s DONE it and become KING there is NO reason to accomodate the Challenger. IF the Challengers are SO WEAK minded that they can’t WIN on the ROAD then they don’t deserve to be a CHAMP anyway….The CHAMP always has the right to say WHERE the Fight will BE. IF anyone wants that Right vs. Ward first they must come into his Castle and snatch his Crown off his head like a MAN if they DARE….That’s why I COMMENDED Dawson for having the BALLS to TRY it but Ward sliced him UP like a GINSU. That’s why you’re not suggesting anyone to come to Oakland like you SHOULD be….Because deep down YOU know that Ward is the BEST. Or else you’d be clamoring for someone to hurry UP and go to Oakland and beat him…..NO ONE within 20 pounds of Ward can beat him ANYWHERE on this Planet. The location is just an EXCUSE.Posted April 4, 2013 4:43 am
Mick the Marmalizer
George Groves let himself down badly by binning the Lonsdale belt before winning it out-right. However he is a class act & I would have liked to see him rematch James Degale with British, EBU & Commonwealth titles on the line.
sorry pal, but there is a lot to be said about the psychology of home advantage in any sport. Just do a little bit of reading. I am not of course suggesting Andre Ward is incapable of traveling beyond his border, but I would suggest it would reinforce his position as potentially one of the best at 168.
You have also made 2 quotes which I don’t quite understand, the first being “2000 miles is away. Go take GEOGRAPHY class.” the second being “Why would the KING of 168 leave his Castle”. The comments are very contradictory.Posted April 4, 2013 3:29 am
Nope. SURELY couldn’t have been ME as Pacquiao was #1 P4P while Hatton was #10 P4P. I usually take the guy who has more SKILLS. That one was NO brainer. Also Diacanu is WAY LESSER than Dawson who has been as high as #5 P4P as was just recently at #10 P4P. So NOPE. That wasn’t ME. I picked the WINNERS in those Fights with EASE.Posted April 4, 2013 2:45 am
@Boxtradamus Are you the same Boxtradamus who had Hatton over Pacman and Diaconu beating Dawson a few years ago or was that a different Boxtradamus?Posted April 4, 2013 2:38 am
MY advice to Ward is to Rematch Dawson and allow him to weigh in at 175 pounds. That way he can join Broner and Mayweather as the ONLY Boxers to currently carry titles in TWO Weight classes. That will also open UP more Fights to Ward as he will have the option of taking the Pascal-Bute WINNER which would be a BIG Fight in Canada as well as the Kessler-Froch WINNER….or actually he would have to face the WINNER of Kessler-Froch vs. Stevenson WINNER. SO he’d have the pole position in taking the Biggest Fights in TWO Divisions instead of ONE….Just remember Boxing is a Sport NOT a Division.Posted April 4, 2013 12:50 am
UK to AC is about 3500 miles SO Froch flew 600 more miles but SO WHAT?? Fights aren’t WON on shorter distance of travel Fights are WON by SKILLS and Boxing IQ. NO ONE has more SKILLS and Boxing IQ than Ward in the ENTIRE Sport of Boxing except Mayweather…..according to the EXPERTS.Posted April 4, 2013 12:38 am
2930 miles to be exact. But who gives a s#$t, its not his home. How far did Froch have to fly from the UK to AC?Posted April 4, 2013 12:13 am
Really he carried home support 3000 miles across the U.S. considering he is not much of a draw in the U.S. His home is Oakland NOT Atlantic City, NJ. If the fight was in Vegas or the staples center you would have a better point. Dont really matter though he kicked Froch and Kessler’s ass and unless they are going to pay top dollar to bring him over he really shouldn’t have to worry about it. Froch nor Kessler want it with Ward anymore. Thats why they havent spoken on him.Posted April 4, 2013 12:03 am
TG-I don’t worry about picking the Favorite. I concentrate on picking the WINNER. Picking the WINNER doesn’t have to DO with Odds. It mostly has to DO with SKILLS….Robert Guerrero was not the Favorite vs. Andre Berto but I picked him to WIN and I was CORRECT. Also Senchenko was not the Favorite vs Hatton but I picked him to WIN and I was CORRECT yet AGAIN….I followed that UP by picking Marquez who was not the Favorite vs. Pacquiao to WIN by knockout and I was CORRECT again!!! Again!!!….And there’s MANY more examples where I picked the WINNER despite him not being the Favorite. As a matter of FACT one of MY Favorite picks is when I picked Andre Ward who was NOT the Favorite before the Super 6 tournament but he WON just as I predicted!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!Posted April 3, 2013 11:35 pm
I’m a Groves skeptic. I wouldn’t fancy his chances against Ward, Dirrell, DeGale rematch, Kessler, Froch or Bika. I also think that Stieglitz and Oosthuizen give him tough fights or possibly even beat him.
North Korea have a gang of top Boxers, that will beat up the other Boxers, it’s a clear and present danger, long range jabs, hooks, uppercuts, the like you have never seen before.Posted April 3, 2013 9:17 pm
Boxtradamus, I am the fight prophet, I predict the favourite, well done, but they lose sometimes.Put some money down, for 50 favourites in a row, and I guarantee you will have lost money, alot of money, not as simple as that.Posted April 3, 2013 9:02 pm
So one min you are saying take a geography class and now you are saying why would a king leave his castle. I think Ward is the best at 168 (current), but if he traveled he could be eventually be considered one of the greatest.
example ,Ali went everywhere there was a challenge.Posted April 3, 2013 8:26 pm
Why would the KING of 168 leave his Castle?? IF you want to be KING then come to Oakland, CA and TAKE the crown like a MAN. Home support hasn’t been a factor anyway as Ward’s been WINNING all of his Fights by BLOWOUT.Posted April 3, 2013 8:18 pm
So what you are saying is fighting in Manchester England or fighting in London England is not a home fight?
Sorry don’t get it, fighting away means using your passport.
Again I don’t think the result would be different, but suggest the fight would be.
StevePosted April 3, 2013 8:17 pm
you carry home support where ever you are in your home country, you fking tard!!!
Not sure the result would be any different, but let’s face it Ward is unwilling to travel……….Posted April 3, 2013 8:12 pm
2000 miles is away. Go take GEOGRAPHY class.Posted April 3, 2013 7:26 pm
Test your metal,Like Lucian Bute did, fight away, he did not have to, but did.Posted April 3, 2013 7:15 pm
Ward has to fight away, he didn’t do it in the Super six tournament, he is unbeaten, beat all the other fighters, but didn’t fight away from home, he should test himself, he knows that himself.Posted April 3, 2013 6:54 pm
“Ward fought Froch in AC, That’s 3000 miles away from Oakland” thst doesn’t cut it, and you know it doesn’t, Ward needs to have a big fight away from home.Posted April 3, 2013 6:39 pm
It is good to his confident but i think both Froch and Kessler are too much for Groves as well right now. Groves is a good boxer with good power but i dont think we’ll him being a strong world champ in the future.Posted April 3, 2013 6:26 pm
Ward fought froch in AC. That’s 3000 miles away from Oakland. Now unless he has a hell of a backyard how can that be considered fighting at home.pPosted April 3, 2013 6:22 pm
Well his feelings are POOR. He can’t beat Dirrell, Froch, Kessler, and he may not be able to beat the younger Dirrell either.Posted April 3, 2013 5:28 pm
He already beat all the other supermiddleweights in dominant fashion. He has already proved who the best. Lol…..grasping at straws for their boys losses here. He beat them easily….there is your proof. What? Were you guys on the OJ. Simpson jury are something? Obviously you don’t know what evidence is.Posted April 3, 2013 5:06 pm
The Low Blow !
#goodPosted April 3, 2013 5:04 pm
The Low Blow !
Sakio Bika would smash you George along with Froch Kessler Bute would be a ggod test !Posted April 3, 2013 5:03 pm
Will Ward travel well, if he can win a big fight in Europe, then he will get more support from the Boxing fans, for instance, I don’t think he would beat Froch in the UK, different ball game fighting away from home.Posted April 3, 2013 5:02 pm
Ward needs to prove himself and fight away from home like all the other Super Middle weights.Posted April 3, 2013 4:58 pm