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TARK

3G is ready for Martinez or Chavez right now — but I would be amazed if their management were interested in 3G as an opponent… “Golovkin? Who has he beaten?” will be their response… 3G is going to have to smash a couple more contenders to force their hand

Posted September 3, 2012 5:58 pm 


Patrick2

Here’s the thing. Yes, Chavez is huge. But, again as Andy Lee proved Chavez is very hittable. With Andy Lee Chavez, Chavez could see the punches coming as Lee telegraphs his shots — neither Martinez and Golovkin do that — their punches are sneaky, and as we know the punches you don’t see/don’t anticipate are the ones that do the most damage. For that reason, I think Chavez is going to take a beating by Martinez (not saying Jr won’t have is moments in the fight) and would also take a pounding against Golovkin. As for Golvokin needing body shots to hurt someone, I don’t think that’s true. I think he takes what is given to him — his opponent last night moved a lot, so going to the body made sense to slow him down. And Golovkin’s jab is a monster. I think he could KO someone with it. I do think Golovkin should work through 160 though before moving up to 168.

Posted September 2, 2012 5:25 pm 


love-the-sport

I also believe Martinez will beat Chavez — but that is a difficult fight for Martinez. Chavez is huge. Chavez can take a punch. Chavez is a very good body puncher. Martinez has been a slow starter in recent fights. If Chavez can go effectively to the body of Martinez and not get hit on the chin (ala Paul Williams) then Chavez has a chance in the late rounds. But I actually believe that Martinez will catch Chavez on the chin for exactly the reason you are saying — Chavez is hittable and Golovkin might catch Chavez. But I think these are two different types of fights. Martinez has great speed and can create knockouts over time by getting the timing down on a fighter and the catching him with something big, fast, and hard. Golovkin looks like he is heavy-handed. It is not yet clear — but it looks like Golovkin breaks a fighter down over time with big heavy shots. The damage for Proska started with body punches. And if Golovkin needs to be a great body puncher to win at the elite level — then he is probably not going to last against Chavez. Chavez is a better body puncher than Golovkin and he might be just as heavy handed. And Chavez would probably go in 10-20 pounds heavier than Golovkin. I don’t think it is a good fight at this time. I would rather seen Golovkin “make his bones” against Geale, Macklin, Sturm, and Lee. If he gets through those 3-4 fights with strong decisions and 1-2 KOs then YES I would concede that Golovkin is an elite fighter who deserves a shot at either Martinez or Chavez. But my guess is that Golovkin has a very, very, very hard time with Geale, Mackline, Sturm, and Lee. And he may lose 1-2 of those fights. Golovkin looks like a good but not great fighter.

Posted September 2, 2012 5:08 pm 


Patrick2

Oh, and about him not having power, did you actually watch the fight? If so, to say he doesn’t have power is so far off the mark that it is a ridiculous statement.

Posted September 2, 2012 4:08 pm 


Patrick2

That “middle-pack fighter” who is “being hyped by HBO” beat Andy Lee, Dirrell and Bute in the amateurs. And last night he blew out/destroyed a very credible, respected #3 ranked fighter, a 2-time Euro champ, who sported a 28-1 record with 21 KOs and had never been knocked down before. All that my friend is NOT hype, and doesn’t attach well to a “middle-pack fighter.”

Posted September 2, 2012 4:03 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“I do hope that they don’t start moving him up and down in weight, as this is a good way to ruin a fighter.” – Cosign. Yes they need to get Golovkin big fights. No, they don’t want to screw with his weight. He’s a middleweight titlist, stay there and take any and all comers. Remember what happened to Paul Williams who spastically fought from 147-160. He fizzled out too soon and that’s partly because his weight yo-yo thing drains your body.

Posted September 2, 2012 3:12 pm 


Patrick2

I hate this split screen crap. Yes, Golovkin is slower than Martinez, but again, speed vs timing. Saying that, I think Golovkin vs Martinez is THE fight that needs to be made (I believe Martinez will defeat Chavez).

Posted September 2, 2012 2:05 pm 


Patrick2

Okay, so I didn’t address two of your adjectives: “Too slow” and “too small” for Chavez. While Chavez is big, Chavez is the one who is VERY “hittable” (Andy Lee didn’t have trouble finding Chavez) and isn’t particularly fast. Golovkin, on the other hand, is quicker and has GREAT timing — and as we know timing can be more important than speed. I say Chavez would be forced to absorb Golovkin’s shots, and I don’t think anyone south of super middleweight would want to do that.

Posted September 2, 2012 1:49 pm 


love-the-sport

Are you saying Ouma is at the top of his game. Are you staying that Ouma was not passed his prime? Then you probably work for the Golovkin promotional group and or you don’t know anything about boxing.

Posted September 2, 2012 1:30 pm 


love-the-sport

Do you work for HBO? I choose my words carefully. And I said that … Golovkin looks waaaaaaaay too slow for Martinez. And then I said that … Golovkin looks too open, too hittable, and too small for Chavez. Repeat … too open, too hittable, and too small for Chavez. Do you think I am wrong? Are you joking? Do you think Golovkin had great defense against Provska? Do you think Chavez won’t connect against Golovkin? And what happens when and if Chavez does connect against Chavez? Golovkin is 5’9″ maybe 5’10″ at best and he is a 165-170 lb middleweight. How is going to survive against Chavez? Again, I said very clearly that I think Golovkin would probably beat the other fighters in the division: Geale, Macklin, Lee, Sturm — but those would be tough fight and Golovkin would take a lot of punches on his way to very difficult victories. But he is waaaaaaay to slow for Martinez. And too open, too hittable, too small for Chavez. Golovkin looks like a good but not great middleweight.

Posted September 2, 2012 1:28 pm 


Bax

GGG is the real deal. I can’t wait for the next fight!

Posted September 2, 2012 1:19 pm 


Patrick2

Then let me restate my point. Everyone was high on Pacquaio after his American debut (I know I was) despite a less than spotless record and only solid amateur career. Golovkin, on the other hand, had a stellar amateur career and is a legend in Europe — so you could say Golovkin is much more battle-tested/proven, as he should be at 30 years old, than Pacquiao was. So why are people tentative about jumping on the Golovkin bandwagon? And if you are tentative, re-watch that fight (closely) and you’ll see how good he really is.

Posted September 2, 2012 1:07 pm 


jk

he kicked vanes ass and golovkin stopped ouma. who else has stopped ouma

Posted September 2, 2012 12:21 pm 


love-the-sport

I feel sorry for Golovkin given that he is 30 years old and he has not been tested. Your comment doesn’t make sense. Pacquiao was 21 years old in 1999/2000 when he made his American debut. He had fought limited opposition BECAUSE HE WAS ONLY 21 YEARS OLD.

Posted September 2, 2012 12:11 pm 


Patrick2

And the same could have been said about Pacquiao in 1999/2000 when he made his American debut. Plus, Golovkin had an impressive amateur background and now pro career in Europe and is 30 years old. I’ve been watching boxing for many decades now — Golovkin is the real deal. I feel sorry for those fighters in striking distance of this guy.

Posted September 2, 2012 11:49 am 


dwc

I wish Golovkin well but people are to quick nowdays to call fighters great at such early stages in there careers. Didnt Proksa get beaten by a welsh fighter not to long ago who was not really anything that special? I think of that kid from Canada the middleweight who got killed by Ruibo and A.Lee so much hype today with all this instant media acsess. He might be the real deal theres plenty of good fighters who could face him and then we will know for sure.

Posted September 2, 2012 11:30 am 


Patrick2

Oh, and “too open” and “too hittable?” What fight were you watching? Golovkin was walking down a very credible opponent and while he got hit with a few shots (even the great defensive master Floyd got hit with some shots by Cotto) he blocked, or at least partially blocked, and slipped most. Watch the fight again. Golvkin has a very good defense. Seems too many in here think that in order to be great, or very good, you can never get hit. And the fact is, you very often have to take a few shots to land yours.

Posted September 2, 2012 11:15 am 


Mix

There’s some good young blood coming though @ 168LB. I’m looking forward to seeing George Grove & Thomas Oosthuizen engageing in combat. If they both stay undefeated & pick up meaningful titles it could be a mega unification fight.

Posted September 2, 2012 11:07 am 


Patrick2

What? No opposition? The guy he just faced was # 3 ranked, a 2-time Euro camp, 28-1 with 20+ KOs and was never knocked down before — and it was obvious Proksa had skills! Despite all this, Golvkin still blew him out. That’s saying something.

Posted September 2, 2012 11:07 am 


love-the-sport

Golovkin has had no opposition — so we don’t know what we are looking at just yet. Proska is not really an elite fighter and Golovkin has no other names on his resume. American fight fans might be familiar with Kassim Ouma. Golovkin had 10 Round TKO of Ouma about one year ago. American fight fans would also know that Ouma has lost 5 out of 7 fights going to the Golovkin fight and has looked awful since fighting and losing to Jermain Taylor in 2006. So, we don’t know what Golovkin has yet. The HBO guys were talking him up like an elite fighter — but I don’t see it yet. He looks way too slow for Martinez. He looks too open, too hittable and too small for Chavez. He looks like he would do well against the other top fighters. I think he would beat Macklin, Geale, Lee, and Sturm — but those would be tough fights for Golovkin. Golovkin would take a lot of punches on the way to very tough victories. My guess is that Golovkin is a very good but not great middleweight.

Posted September 2, 2012 10:53 am 


prof konje

As long as Arum controls specific boxers, the fans will never get to see the best fight the best. Arum is too afraid of losing money which is exactly why he won’t risk his “golden geese” with boxers who could end their “winning” careers.

Posted September 2, 2012 10:39 am 


ozzy

I haven’t seen the fight but I know Proksa is no bum and so Golovkin must have been very good to be so dominant. I hope the winner of Chavez Jr-Martinez will agree to fight him – it would be gr8 to have an undisputed middleweight champ again. The only fly in the ointment is Arum – he’s waited until Martinez is almost a pensioner before letting Chavez Jr fight him. So Martinez needs to win that fight if we’re gunna have an undisputed champ!

Posted September 2, 2012 9:23 am 


Patrick2

He’s 30 years old. They need to match him up with the big names NOW. Golovkin is more than ready. Martinez, Chavez, Cotto, Canelo and the rest hanging around 160 pounds, should understandably be fearful — Golovkin is a force to be reckoned with. And I say this not because of this one fight, it’s the skills/abilities he showed last night. Golovkin is good, really good!

Posted September 2, 2012 9:00 am 


Patrick2

Why do you say he was leaving his chin wide open? The guy he fought was 28-1, and was no slouch. Even the great defensive Floyd took similar/more shots from Cotto. I mean these credible opponents ARE fighting back — they will land punches too. Seems too many think to be good you have to blow everyone out and never take in incoming while doing so. To that type of thinking, I say get real.

Posted September 2, 2012 8:39 am 


adrian

pugfan watch golovkin fights in youtube in amateurs and now in pro you will have a better idea how good he is …
i can you one thing ,for golovkin they are all taylor made:)

Posted September 2, 2012 8:14 am 


pugfan

this is the first time i had seen Golovkin. he looked good on the 1 hand.on the other had i think this Proksa guy had a style that was tailor made for ggg. i am not ready to pick him over Chavez or Martineze yet.it looked to me like Proksa was somewhat unwilling to engage,in constant retreat and just not throwing enough leather.

Posted September 2, 2012 7:47 am 


FEARS

Well, the MW division is shaping up fast and becoming the most interesting division in Boxing right now! Geale and Golovkin should now fight, with the winner fighting Martinez/Chavez winner. If Chavez Jr. comes out on top, he should then move up to SMW, have a fight there and then fight Ward/Dawson winner, since he is a LHW anyway.

Posted September 2, 2012 6:12 am 


Mix

Things are looking good @ 160LB. S.G.Martinez vs J.C.Chavez JR will hopefully sort out another issue soon, the WBA have ordered Geale vs Golovkin to take place by the end of the year + bring Dmitry Pirog, Peter Quillen & Martin Murray into the equation & all the ingredients are in place to find a 100% #1 undisputed middleweight champion of the World(Which is all we want).Throw in the likes of future talent B.F.Goday, B.J.Saunders, Demetrius Andrade & G.R.Sanchez & the future looks secured as well. This is of course in an ideal World without boxing politics!. The WBC, WBA, IBF & WBO are said to be the main four sanctioning bodies of World boxing & maybe they are. However as we all know there only interested in making more £$ via there sanctioning fees for Super, Regular, Silver, Interim, International, Intercontinental & Youth titles. If the sanctioning bodies & managers/promotors cut the B/S & greed then we “COULD” have some fantasic contest @ 160LB over the next few years!!……………..

Posted September 2, 2012 5:36 am 


God Is Santa For Adults

Golovkin is a terrific fighter, no doubt. But comparisons to Hagler are ridiculously premature. Sure, Marvin had a few dull fights, but so did every other all-time great boxer. Give Golovkin a few years and we’ll see where he’s at. Until then, let’s enjoy his performances, watch him grow, and ease-off with the “great” tag.

Posted September 2, 2012 5:05 am 


KOrnerman

not since b hop has there been such a dominant middleweight like GGG he could clear up this division imo.

Posted September 2, 2012 4:50 am 


KOrnerman

GGG would blast Chavez or Martinez, bring it.

Posted September 2, 2012 4:49 am 


TARK

Golovkin is better than Hagler, take my word for it.. He’s taller, stronger, bigger, tougher, meaner, more aggressive, and a lot busier with his hands. He’s better defensvely than Marv. When I saw Hagler against Marcos Geraldo, a guy who’d been knocked out at least 10 times by then, I thought, “What the Hell is this, a dance?” The Duran fight was another waltz. The crowd actually booed Hagler as he danced around. Hagler gave away the first 4 rounds to Leonard — and he never beat a natural middleweight who was an outstanding boxer.

Posted September 2, 2012 2:11 am 


big head

this is boxing anybody get hit even martinez gets hit golovkin responded well even when he did get hit he didn panic he stay calm and kept coming even fighters with speed and solid defense going to have problems with him cause of his power and technique and timing then he got a good hard jab

Posted September 2, 2012 2:04 am 


Fight Aficionado

Golovkin is a MFing killer. 160 has become a deep division over the past year or so. Really it’s absurd Golovkin only now got a chance at HBO given he’s held a strap since 2010 and has a madly fan friendly style. Much more so than 90% of HBO’s house fighters. Unlike their typical cherry picking clowns (Broner cough), Golovkin is willing to rumble with anyone. HBO better put him on again.

Posted September 2, 2012 1:40 am 


big ham

good fight. Great performance. One thing no one has mentioned, and this is not something that has to hold a fighter back. But GGG has average to below average hand and foot speed. He reminds me of Tszyu in that regard. Skilled, powerfull, technical, silent killer. But if a fighter has good stamina, good defense, and superior speed i can see them causing problems for GGG. Hs is a stalker, and heavy handed. At this point i would pick sergio over him if they fought now. A couple years from now as Sergio approaches 40 GGG might be to much for him.

Posted September 2, 2012 1:37 am 


Scott

Agreed Koolz. Golovkin despite being easy to hit due to his style, is going to be a problem for the top guys in any division. Personally I’d love to see him KO Ward. LOL

Posted September 2, 2012 1:13 am 


Scott

Golovkin definitely has a Hagler-esque style but I think Hagler had more talent and better boxing skills. That may change however as Golovkin continues to improve and win. Regardless though he comes to destroy his opponent, is fan friendly and was fun as hell to watch! Someone get this guy a top opponent!

Posted September 2, 2012 1:13 am 


Scott

I agree with you, the top guys, including Canelo need to watch out for Golovkin. While he does leave himself open quite a bit I think his aggressive style doesn’t leave room or time for much defense. I think he’s much more than just a simple hard hitting brawler though and will give top middleweights a run for their money. It’s a shame Golovkin has no draw power, no big name is going to sign on to fight him. It’s a big risk/little reward scenario fighting him. Perhaps in a year or two if he keeps winning but then again then the top guys will just avoid him completely.

Posted September 2, 2012 1:10 am 


Adrian

Oh and Martinez thought he will have a field day with the chin of margarito but hd got his arssss kicked !

Posted September 2, 2012 1:08 am 


Adrian

Well chin or not this guy beat all the current elite kudos fighters in amateurs like ,ward direll bute etc… I know you hate white boxers dude we can never expect for you to give credit to any white boxers and that’s a shame!but who cares the reality is golovkin will rule and he is calling everyone out to challenge him!

Posted September 2, 2012 1:05 am 


Anonymous

Sergio balance is on a completely different level IMAO. That gives him a lot more power too

Posted September 2, 2012 1:04 am 


Adrian

You probably know this but golovkin has a stelar amateur carrier …btw he beat ward ,direll ,bute etc.. In amateurs… The guy can box but boy can he bang!!

Posted September 2, 2012 12:58 am 


HHLondon

Patrick, stick to the Space Hopper son!

His win over Proksa was no scalp and like Hecdog says … he’s no Hagler!

Stand out for me wasn’t the win but the fact Golovkin leaves his chin wide open!

Posted September 2, 2012 12:54 am 


Big Al

Middleweights are starting to heat up. I hope we never see that overweight fat pig of a boxer in the first fight again; definitely deserves to get scrubbed from any future HBO telecast indefinitely.

Posted September 2, 2012 12:23 am 


Patrick2

Not because he beat Proksa, but how he did it, and the skills he showed while doing it. Trust me, I’ve been watching boxing since the early 70′s, Golovkin is going to be a force in boxing for the next few years.

Posted September 2, 2012 12:22 am 


HHLondon

’cause he beat Proksa he can beat any 160lb fighter?

Martinez would have a field day with that chin!

Posted September 2, 2012 12:13 am 


Patrick2

I also think Proksa mimics Martinez, much more so than he does Hamed. The difference is Sergio always maintains eye contact with his opponent whereas Proksa doesn’t. When Proksa ducks/dips to avoid shots he puts his head down and is often viewing the ground. Hamed, to avoid punches, always reared back. If you didn’t reach Hamed in that reared-back position he’d spring forward with devastating power. Barara, when he beat Hamed, was always sure to reach him, and then landed combos afterwards.

Posted September 2, 2012 12:07 am 


Krysztof

impressive win for GGG….Canelo better stay the hell away from GGG.
i dont know whats next for Golovkin but i love how he says he will fight anyone from 154-168, and he seems to really mean it; we need more fighters like this.
just think of the possible fights that can be made between those weight classes…..so many super fights!!!
Golovkin is definitely an elite fighter and hes got that rare combination of power and toughness that can give any fighter hell.

Posted September 2, 2012 12:07 am 


winetaster

Proksa reminds me of Prince Naseem Hamed with his funky style of boxing. I’m surprised Max didn’t mention that instead of comparing Proksa to Sergio. I guess for the benefit of the younger audience that wasn’t born when Hamed ruled the feather weights. Anyway, I have to watch more of Golovkin before I am totally in the bandwagon. He was very hittable with little head and slip movements and “not” so quite like Chavez Sr as commented by the Max. Nevertheless, he can connect to the body (ala Chavez Sr) with awesome power and accuracy which is a fabulous initiation to HBO. I am definitely a fan.

Posted September 1, 2012 11:53 pm 


Patrick2

Golovkin is a beast! ANYONE hanging around 160 lbs better start thinking of excuses as to why they can’t face him.

Posted September 1, 2012 11:50 pm 


Scott

Entertaining fight..Both Golovkin and Proksa interesting styles…Golovkin always balanced..

Posted September 1, 2012 11:49 pm 


Torgo

I believe that Proksa could possibly beat other top name middleweights, like Chavez Jr. but this Golovkin brings as much destruction and despair with him as Marvin Hagler did.

Posted September 1, 2012 11:36 pm 


Koolz

WOW! Golovkin could beat anyone in the middle weight! He is that good!
Amazing Fight!

Posted September 1, 2012 11:32 pm 



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