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Batman

Calzaghe and I think alike. Froch has improved, at least try very hard to, but Kess has been on the downward spiral. Still, even a orime Kess would of struggled against this more versatile version of Froch who doesn’t infight or do anything great, but he’s got a ton of heart and very good at everything. Tho not the quickest he is using his long,arns to,time some jabs very well. Also his lead right followed by a left hook is very effective and its his best and favorite combo to throw. Leaves his hands too low tho, what is it with English fighters dropping their hands so much?

Posted May 26, 2013 1:30 am 


MK

Oksehud: Yes you are right about Kesslers move from Monaco, had not seen it. It was not my main point, but good point. Good posts by the way. One thing though, Froch meeting world class opposition, since his loss to Kessler, who is that? Bute showed himself, to have no chin, as suggested by fx the first Andrade fight, and Mack went down in weight, for Froch, while Kessler went up in weight against a weak fighter, but good puncher, in Green, and easily took out Magee, who is known for toughness. I agree with the rest of your early post, in this thread.

Posted April 10, 2013 3:30 am 


The1

I used to like Calzaghe. Mikell Kessler by lopsided decision!

Posted April 9, 2013 7:37 pm 


Oksehud

@MK:
Kessler actually moved back to Denmark a couple of years ago. He said, he did not feel comfortable living in Monaco like a celebrity, away from his family and friends.
He has his own gym outside copenhagen, where he holes himself up with Montoya and his phsical coach Thomas Macon in the final phases of training up to a fight.
To the danish press, Kessler has stated, that the return home has given him a new hunger for the game…
I don’t question Kesslers motivation. He knows that a loss now will severely tarnish his win in 2010…

Posted April 9, 2013 3:34 pm 


MK

Gonzo the Dragonborn: As usual you are right on target, and on fire, the Ward passport issue, I can not see solved though:)

Kessler is injury free, it seems, my personal opinion is that Froch vs Kessler 2 may not be a 12 rounder, it won’t be the same as Froch vs Kessler 1, or Calzaghe vs Kessler.

The fight could easily be a 3 rounder, with a brutal knockout -the winner will maybe meet Ward in Las Vegas, or somewhere away from Oakland, and this time, Kessler/Froch will have a whole lot of knowledge regarding Wards, jab, hold and move away Hopkins tactics.

It is true that Mikkel is always relaxed, he knows that he is a danish celebrity, with a home in Monaco, and a lot of money, but he must find the motivation that Froch has, before the fight. Should Kessler beat Froch again, he has an excellent trainer, against Ward, which was not the case, in the first fight.

Posted April 9, 2013 2:40 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

Hopefully whoever wins this fight still has enough left to grant thee thine wish and administer serious beat-down and hurt upon that fraud… although I suspect if it’s another long gruelling career shortening affair and they both end up coming out of it damaged goods Ward will suddenly miraculously discover he has a passport all of a sudden and pull another of the those calculated chery-picks of his again.

Posted April 9, 2013 2:05 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

That post was for Oksehud.

Posted April 9, 2013 1:59 pm 


MK

Yea I certainly agree with the fact that this one is difficult to predict.

No one manhandled Calzaghe the way Kessler did, in the first and last part of that fight. Now Kessler has Montoya, and much more experience.

Kessler is the better boxer, clearly, but Froch has his many fans, in London, plus he seems insanely motivated.

To me it is a lot about, how much did Kessler learn from fighting in front of 40000 people in Cardiff, against the best Smw in recent times (the punches Calzaghe took, surprised me, and his cool manner, when he was pressed surprised me)

If it turns out that Kessler comes much less motivated than Froch, he will lose. Kessler seems so relaxed, at this time, compared to the animal Froch.

Posted April 9, 2013 12:13 pm 


Donno

Another trilogy about to be set up

Posted April 9, 2013 8:45 am 


Ray Ray

I don’t think Kessler has gotten any worse….Calzaghe has had his time, I like him but he isn’t fighting and Froch is a diff fightercthan Joe. Kessler had some health issues last time rnd and still got the win….I’m sticking with the more pure boxer (Kessler). All bbit in a very interesting fight, wouldn’t b surprised if either won.

Posted April 9, 2013 8:45 am 


Donno

Draw written all over it

Posted April 9, 2013 8:45 am 


Junior

MK, Magee never ‘almost beat Froch’. A Very green Froch outworked a PRIME Magee, and stopped him late. Love both these guys, and may the best man win. Ive been following Froch for almost 10 years now, and i always thought he could be a world beater, but because of his face first style i knew he would be vulnurable against a strong pure boxer. Frochs head has grown a bit too big in recent times, and i just hope Kessler doesnt burst his bubble. I can’t possibly predict the winner, but i can see this being brutal, with one-or-both of them visiting hospital after the fight

Posted April 9, 2013 8:30 am 


MK

I like Froch and his fans, since the fans respect Kessler.

I further believe that both Kessler and Froch fought under their standards, in Kessler vs Froch 1.

Froch has become a superstar by beating a shell chocked Bute, whilst Kessler has become faded by Koing a dangerous Lhw, and Koing someone, who almost beat Froch. Strange way to look at things:)

Both Kessler and Froch are better now, than ever, this is what I believe, Kessler with his great coach Montoya, and hitting harder than ever, with both hands -Froch having found a cool and powerful aggressive style, difficult to control.

Interesting, how fighting in London will affect the fighters. People who say that this will be an easy fight for any of the fighters are just plain inexperienced. Froch and Kessler are two powerhouses with enormous physiques.

Posted April 9, 2013 6:59 am 


Hidalgo

MDP, I’d love to see Froch fight Ward in England.

Posted April 8, 2013 8:46 pm 


boss red

Kessel stops. Froch inside 10

Posted April 8, 2013 8:30 pm 


Popkins

“Hidalgo
Of course Calzaghe predicts a win by Froch over Kessler–he’s English!”….lol:)

Posted April 8, 2013 5:15 pm 


MDP

I should like Froch to win this one — in order to get a Ward vs Froch fight in England. Ward said he would travel, in case the money is right.

Posted April 8, 2013 4:29 pm 


Hugh Jardon

Undefeated and against who ever who was put it front of him so shut it yankydoodledandies. Kessler will beat Froch again for sure

Posted April 8, 2013 4:17 pm 


varnish

Good comments about the decline of/or rehabiliation of Kessler post-Ward. The thing not being mentioned in Froch’s favor is that his preparation for the first kessler fight was harmed by the Icelandic volcano that threatened to torpedo the fight and interfered with Froch showing up 100%. This fight, and probably Bute/Pascal, will be worth waiting for!

Posted April 8, 2013 3:57 pm 


Oksehud

@Gonzo: I concur. The Post-Calzaghe Kessler (Perdomo, Häusler, Ward) was terrible to watch.
In a article for a danish newspaper, Kessler himself said, that the vision problems started in the training camp before the Ward fight. The problems got worse after being butted by billygoat-Ward, and going into the fight with Froch, he said, he had double-vision every time he looked down….
In their first fight, Kessler had to come forward relentlessly, because he couldn’t rely on his precision to pick off Froch from the distance.
The Post-Froch Kessler has shown steady improvements from Bouadla -> Green -> Magee.
His precision is back, and Montoya has clearly made him more versatile.

2012-2013 Kessler is vastly better than 2008-2010 Kessler, but maybe a bit declined on reflexes and speed in comparison to 2004-2007 Kessler.
But he has gained experience, and seems like a more complete fighter now than before Calzaghe…

BTW:
Kessler would never have agreed to fight Froch in England if we wasn’t sure, he could beat him again. My bet is, that Kessler himself fancies his chances against Froch is much better this time around.

Kessler has the psychological advantage. Froch has SO much to prove….

Posted April 8, 2013 3:45 pm 


Mma fighter

I wonder why froch never fought calzaghe

Posted April 8, 2013 3:27 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

Barlow makes some interesting points too.

Posted April 8, 2013 3:25 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

And whilst I favour Froch to pull it off, like I said I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Kessler were to win. Although I’m not sure he’ll get the decision over here if it goes to points even if he does so fairly convincingly.

Posted April 8, 2013 3:23 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

I do think Montoya has added new wrinkles to his game to compensate for the wear and tear of his injury induced physical decline. However, the pre layoff Kessler was still much more formidable than the one of today IMO.

Posted April 8, 2013 3:21 pm 


NBK

all these people sayin that of course Calzaghe is rooting for Froch because he is English… well Calzghe is Welsh.

Posted April 8, 2013 2:35 pm 


Oksehud

Another factor, I think will make a difference in this fight:

Kesslers jab.
His accuracy has improved, so it will be hitting Froch more often. But Kesslers jab is not only accurate, it is very powerful.
Former opponents and sparring partners have often said, that the most frustrating thing about Kesslers jab is, that it is not an annoying slap, but hurts, and feels like a solid straight right every time it connects.
If Froch gets peppered with enough of those, it could make him angry enough to abandon an initially careful plan, and go to war, thus setting him up for Kesslers devastating counterpunches…

Posted April 8, 2013 2:31 pm 


Oksehud

I believe Kessler can beat Froch.
It will not be easy, but I think Kessler can do it.

A lot of posters here are solely focusing on the fact, that Froch has had a good run since the last fight against Kessler, gaining experience against world-class operators, and winning his last two fights in spectacular style.
It is all true, but Kessler is definitely not on the decline, and probably has a lot more to offer in this rematch, compared to their first fight:

1: Kesslers eyesight is back to normal.
Kessler was known for his eagle-eyed precision before the super-six, and in the fight against Froch in 2010 he was forced to be the aggressor (not always successfully) because he couldn’t rely on his precision to fight from the distance.
In his last two fights Kessler has been showing his acclaimed precision again, and Froch is normally not hard to find in the ring.

2: Kessler has been working with Jimmy Montoya as a coach now for 3 years. Montoya has been adding a lot of new weapons to Kesslers arsenal (or rather making Kessler find them again, after having relied on the “jab-jab-straight” tactics for a long time under his former coach Ricard Olsen). Montoya has been able to find fatal flaws in Kesslers last opponents every time, and present it tactically for Kessler to exploit (Allan Green dropping his right hand, exposing him for the left hook. Magees soft spot down below, etc.)
Froch-Kessler I was the Kesslers first fight with Montoya in the corner. I am sure Jimmy has been able to find a lot of new stuff about Froch, Kessler can exploit.

If Froch fights like against Bute and Mack, storming forward like a man possessed, I can see Froch being at the wrong end of a nasty counterpunch at some point in the match.
Froch has a good chin, but maybe not as good as he thinks himself.
If Froch fights like against Abraham, keeping the distance and relying on his reach advantage to outscore Kessler, it will be a much more difficult night for Kessler. Kessler would then have to rely on his speed advantage to slip, counter and close the distance, working the body like in their first match, and hitting him from awkward angles.

Froch has made it public, that he will stop Kessler before the 9th round, and it will become a war. If that is true, Kessler has a much better chance than if Froch boxes the match sensibly (which I actually think he will).
Froch also has an enormous pressure on his shoulders. He has been calling out Kessler publically, and has the home advantage, and his fans are expecting great things from him.
It could work out bad for Froch who’s arguably best wins in recent time (Abraham, Bute) came after defeats, where the expectancies were much lower…

Either way, it will be an exciting match-up, which every red-blooded fight fan should look forward to !!

Posted April 8, 2013 2:31 pm 


boxing barlow

Hmm I don’t think we’ll know how much Kessler has declined until he steps in the ring with Froch. The great thing about the super six was we all fighters got exposed for where they really stood in the division and as much as Froch’s amazing run has shown him to be real world class, its also shown his limitations. He was out classed by Taylor but pulled it out of the fire to prove he has some real KO power and can never be wrote off. Then against Dirrell again he was out classed but this time Dirrells teams fear if their fighter suffering the same fate as Taylor lead him to be miss advised into gifting the fight to Froch. And against ward he was just outclassed.The worst fight for froch IMO though has to be the first Kessler fight. What really surprised me was that Kessler beat Froch at his own game and stood toe to toe and forced Froch to back up. Froch was kissing and had no plan b. What people are ,missing is if as some suspect Kessler has wained a bit and his previous toe to toe tactics fail, will Kessler have an effective plan b? I’m gonna go out on a limb and say I’ve seen far more skills in Kessler than I have Froch and feel if things don’t go the same way as last time, I predict Kessler will adapt and find another way of winning.

Posted April 8, 2013 1:33 pm 


srminimo

Surprise… a horribly written article on ESB, which means this post will be deleted within the hour, as it’s easier to delete posts from people who critique the writing than actually trying to fix it.

Posted April 8, 2013 12:40 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

Milk chocolate not mild

Posted April 8, 2013 11:45 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

I’ve just finished eating two Tunnock’s mild chocolate coated caramel wafer biscuits. They’re delicious! I’m just about to tuck into my third one now.

Posted April 8, 2013 11:44 am 


skinnysteve

calzaghe is in a cocaine induced delusion

Posted April 8, 2013 11:24 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

There’s a very good argument to be made that Froch of late is in his absolute prime and arguably the best one we’ve ever seen.

Posted April 8, 2013 11:06 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

Kessler can still punch and let’s not forget he hurt Froch to both head and body in the first fight.

Posted April 8, 2013 11:04 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

I’d say I favour Froch somewhere in the region of between 60-40 and no more than 70-30. Froch via stoppage is much more likely at this stage of their careers too.

Posted April 8, 2013 11:01 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

Edit> sufferer’s

Posted April 8, 2013 10:56 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

No I don’t do the drugs Pomy. I’m as clean as a the surface in an OCD suffer’s kitchen. I said a prime Kessler beats Froch convincingly. The Kessler who fought Froch was way below par and it was sheer will and hunger that won him that fight. That wouldn’t be the case if Froch fought against a prime Kessler. I’m a big fan of both guys, and I ain’t no Johnny-come-lately one either. I’ve been on the Frochy baby bandwagon since he made his debut on the BBC and have argued long and loud with his detractors that he was the real deal long before it became en vogue to do so. I’m just calling it likes I see it that’s all.

Posted April 8, 2013 10:55 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

I honestly won’t be surprised at whatever the outcome is in this fight, either could win and victory could come via a decision or even via stoppage, although the later is much more unlikely. Actually, scratch that. I will be very surprised at one scenario: If one of them wins a well deserved wide points decision and it’s not very competitive. That would be the most surprising outcome for me.

Posted April 8, 2013 10:47 am 


Neil(pomy)

Also, Kesslers opponent level has dropped ever since the Ward defeat …. since then Froch has fought and beaten better fighters of a better level.

Posted April 8, 2013 10:44 am 


Neil(pomy)

I think Froch takes Kessler this time …. Froch is looking as good as he ever has, whereas Kessler is not as good as he once was (still formidable but his accuracy isnt the same and he relies too much on power these days). Froch on points in another close contest.

Posted April 8, 2013 10:43 am 


Neil(pomy)

“Beats Froch convincingly”!!!! Are you smoking crack? It was a very, very close contest the first time round ….. and it was in Kesslers back-yard.

Posted April 8, 2013 10:41 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

Edit> Were

Posted April 8, 2013 10:41 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

Swedish Boxing fan.. I thought you Swedes weren’t supposed to be lacking a good sense of humour? SOG beating Calzaghe indeed. ROFL.

Posted April 8, 2013 10:40 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Gonzo, Einstein, Da Vinci, Tesla, Newton, Aristotle, Shakespeare

Pretty sure Calzaghe picked Kessler to beat Froch for their first fight and now he’s picking Froch because it’s pretty obvious Kessler is not the force he once was.

Prime Kessler .. as in the one who trounced Siacca, Mundine, Lucas, Beyer, Andrade with contemptuous ease and fought Calzaghe .. beats Froch convincingly, perhaps even scores a rsf stoppage in the later rounds, the post year long layoff injury depleted one of 2009-2010 obviously beat him via close decision but looked like crap doing it, and the one 2011-2013 one we have now, who’s improved to a certain degree from the very poor one of 2009-2010 but is equally nowhere near as formidable as the prime one, should be considered an underdog what with Froch upping the level of his performance and having home advantage, which as you all know I’ve elaborated on countless times on here before is hugely advantageous, especially for a fighter like Froch whom it’s no secret suffers badly from nerves, particularly when fighting over in the States.

Posted April 8, 2013 10:38 am 


varnish

This card, with Froch/Kessler and Bute/Pascal, is one of the best in months. Not a bad round in sight. I’ll pick Froch to defeat Kessler and Pascal to ko Bute.

Posted April 8, 2013 10:24 am 


Anonymous

Since losing to Kessler Carl has lost to ward and only beat mediocre opponents,don’t understand why so many think Carl has any edge over Kessler this time around.Froch seems to be coming over as a bit of a turd in the build up and even he must be sick of hearing his self talk about “when I beat Bute” don’t know who he’s trying to fool, Bute is no yard stick to messure anything by Kessler for me in this one.

Posted April 8, 2013 9:46 am 


Hidalgo

Of course Calzaghe predicts a win by Froch over Kessler–he’s English!

Posted April 8, 2013 9:16 am 


Junior

Calzaghe hates Froch so i would say he has an agenda here. Its a pick em fight, and i think Froch takes this one

Posted April 8, 2013 8:57 am 


SeanieP

Kessler to win on points

Posted April 8, 2013 8:24 am 


smurf

So this writer doesn’t consider Ward a mover?!? Ward moves in and out sharply, controls distance and doesn’t let other fighters establish range. I’d say he’s a mover!!

Posted April 8, 2013 8:15 am 


The Judge

Bhop/Kessler will soon make people realise just how good Calzaghe actually was.

Posted April 8, 2013 7:50 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

I would pick Andre Ward over Joe Calzaghe :-). But I agree that I belive Carl Froch will defeat Mikkael Kessler again.

Posted April 8, 2013 6:26 am 


Rich

I think Carl will take him this time….I was of the opinion in their last fight that Froch did not give that extra push,but this time it will be different, I’m not under estimating Kessler he is a fine boxer with everything going for him.He won’t be a another Bute…Should be a great fight …..

Posted April 8, 2013 5:24 am 


Textbook Hayelord

Let’s be honest, Zaghe wants Kessler to win because Froch’s resume may overtake Zaghe’s at some point. Zaghe has said Froch will win for the following reasons:

1. To spur Kessler on, so he fights harder to prove doubters wrong.

2. To lure Froch into a false sense of security and make Froch think he’s fighting a lesser fighter than he is.

3. To hedge his bets if Froch wins, Zaghe can say “i told you, Kessler was faded”.

Anyway, it will be a tough nights work for Froch and i believe it could go either way.

Posted April 8, 2013 3:00 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

The Truth told the truth about Boxtradamus.

Posted April 8, 2013 1:12 am 


Kim

Froch will quickly find out that he cant control and land his bombs the same way as he did with Bute, and Kessler will punish him big time every time froch gonna try to land the big bombs. Kessler stops Froch in round 11.

Posted April 8, 2013 12:54 am 


The Greatest

Guido – in their first fight, he picked Kessler. He also picked Ward vs Froch.

Posted April 8, 2013 12:35 am 


The Truth

Boxtra – it’s a pity Alvarado didn’t agree with you when you tipped Rios to KO him. Didn’t hear from you after that fight.

Posted April 8, 2013 12:06 am 


Fedor

Yeah Boxtra, he also agrees with me too.

Posted April 8, 2013 12:03 am 


Guido

Of course Calslappy picks the Brit. Why is this a surprise?

Posted April 7, 2013 10:07 pm 


Boxtradamus

Calzaghe agrees with ME on that!!!

Posted April 7, 2013 8:19 pm 



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