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Juan

Canelo doesn’t want a 147 belt he wants the 154 belt so floy & canelo at 154 fight will be more attractive. Floy might need to give the 154 belt if he doesn’t want to deffent it.

Posted May 17, 2013 6:04 pm 


Moonshineman

Forget Mayweather. Canelo would give MW too much trouble. The fight won’t happen.

Posted May 15, 2013 5:32 pm 


spartacus 65

Gopd day mr. Tark. I respect your opinions as you seem to be an avid boxing fan. However to make a ppint when.i said i,Frazier and others of that era and of the Leonard,hearns era possessed admirable valor I stand by that. In their primes they fought a virtual who’s who of contenders,npt forgetting memkrable bouts amongst themselves. Ali fought his nemesis ken norton 3 times, Frazier 3 timrs knowing full well the clear threat these men represented. He defeated in his past prime years some pretty tough customers. Fraziers lrime was shorter due to his style, still after getting destroyed by foreman he opted to try one mire time against the big man failing miserably. Still he made the attempt. was basically shot after that. The jumbo Elliott affair was to guage where he was and Ipersonally believe it was for money ussues. He did not belonginthe ring with ANYONE at that point. Klitshco thoufh a fine sportsman did not have the brutal wars and obvious wear and tear that Frazier had dealt eith at his ill advised comeback. Leonard in his prine took on ALL comers. No exceptions. I will concede he did become very selective at the latter part of his career ,which is where in my view this nonsense of making outrageous restrictions really kicked into full gear. He was on borrowed time and he knew it. He wasnt the same complete machine that he was in his fighting prime. Still he DID take the gambles necessary to cement his kegacy and he did just fine in that regard. Much redpect from one fan of the square circle to another.

Posted May 13, 2013 3:01 pm 


spartacus 65

To be fair, There should be a clause where Canelo is not allowed torehydrate to such an insane weught level. I have never been a fan of that. It creates an unfair advantage to the other fighter. A clause to circumvent that would be reasonable and in my view appropriate. That being said there is ni legitimate reason for this bout NOT to be made.

Posted May 13, 2013 2:04 pm 


spartacus 65

Thomas hearns,has NO TROUBLE with Mayweather. Too much skill,speed,reach and heart advantages. Hearns has seen Mayweather in the likes of wilfred benitez whom in,which he outckassed in their highly skilled confrontation. Mayweather for the converse has NEVER seen anything like thomas hearns Not even close. As i stated before you’re only as good as the opponents you face. Hearns has been in with THE BEST.I am a Pacquiao fan but im fair, there is NO WAY manny competes with a thomas hearns. These gentleman today have not been in the ring with fighters of that caliber. Second,it is what it is. Mr. Mayweather just hasn’t demonstrated that kind of commit ment to engage the BEST AT THEIR BEST. This is not hating . No this is just an honest assessment formed from watching him over the course of several years. Also this defense of him to not fight at 154 truly comes off as not accepting the reality of the situation. As another gentleman pointed out, why mr. Cotto and not Canelo. All other arguments to prevent this bout is just emlty window dressing.

Posted May 13, 2013 1:56 pm 


spartacus 65

Hidalgo, good afternoon. KUDOS to you sir. You described everything in you earlier post PERFECTLY. Everything was on point. One thing. Hearns took his licks well. Hagler nailed him several times prior to the ko. Hearns was NOT ready physically at that time for hagler. Just ayear later he looked MUCH better physically against James Schuler. His body looked like that of a fullfledged middleweight and it showed in his performance and movements. The knock on hearns chin is a bit overstated. Leonard hit him a whopping 12 times in the sixth round of their first clash and he stayed up. Albiet a bit wobbly. This is ray leinard after all. His punch resistance was improved when he stopped draining himself to fight at welterweight for the big purses. Which is wht canelo should not be forced to do the same.

Posted May 13, 2013 1:31 pm 


Frankie Manunez

KC has the beat. Say it KC say it. Fraud Ball Shiners!

Posted May 13, 2013 10:35 am 


Hidalgo

A true champion who fears no one and fights only “the best” will not ask for any physical concessions from his opponents. If Canelo agrees to go down to 147 to fight Floyd, Floyd will tear him up because Canelo will be out of gas by the 8th round. Of course, Canelo will still lose to Floyd at any weight. I have confidence in that. Floyd should too.

Posted May 13, 2013 10:23 am 


Hidalgo

A Mayweather/Canelo fight is a big fight. Very big. Canelo is a superstar in his own right, and we know Floyd most certainly is. Because it’s such a big, important fight, Mayweather and Canelo need to make the fight with no weight stipulations. Mayweather has always claimed that he doesn’t do catchweight fights. Well, if he does ask Canelo to come down to 147 to fight him, that’s worse than catchweight and would give a huge physical advantage to Mayweather. Besides, even though it wasn’t officially called a “catchweight” fight, Mayweather’s fight with Marquez was exactly that. Well, it was supposed to be. The required weigh-in weight in the original contract for that fight was 144–that’s a catchweight. But Floyd wasn’t much for honoring that as we all know.

I think Floyd will beat Canelo even if Canelo steps into the ring at 170. But if Floyd demands that Canelo fight him at 147, the only reason he’d do that is to negate Canelo’s power. Floyd will beat Canelo no matter what. He just doesn’t want to get hurt or marred in the process.

If the fight can’t be made at full jr. middleweight, I say don’t make the fight. Alvarez is a jr. middleweight. If Floyd wants to fight him he should fight him as a full jr. middleweight or not at all.

Posted May 13, 2013 10:20 am 


Jack Jones

If he can’t make weight (Canelo) then he should move up Wards waiting for him. Wards wants a super payday also. since he walks around at 170

Posted May 13, 2013 3:42 am 


Jack Jones

The Champ gets his way! Canelo have to conceed to Floyd demands. Just like Floyd Conceeded to De La Hoya Demands because he wanted the the fight bad. And remember Marquez called out Maywether so he moved up in weight because he wanted the fight bad. The new kid in the school dont call shots.

Posted May 13, 2013 3:37 am 


TARK

Floyd is a natural 130-pounder… He fought at 130 for most of his career fight, until he was 25 years old… He didn’t jump up early like Adrien Broner… Floyd had to muscle up to get to 147 but that’s all his body can handle… He DOES step on a scale before he steps into the ring — if you get him before he puts his shoes, protector, wraps, gloves, trunks, and everything else on.. But he weighed 148 going into the ring before the DLH fight, and he weighed about the same for Cotto.. For this fight he weighed 146.. That’s his weight — why the Hell would Flolyd eat a ton a food and stakes and weigh his body down??? He’s not going to lift any weights before a fight so his body can’t utilize all that meat and protein. Makes no sense. He needs to be super fast so he eats light before a fight..

Posted May 13, 2013 1:33 am 


Hammerman

K.C boxing is not going down. Look at the fights around the world and the fans that pack the seats. Look on T.V and see all the fans. Sports will always fill seats. Just because the heavyweight div has 2 champs that are not american and no one can beat them does not mean the sport is dying. when small fighters bring in major bank then the sport is doing great. boxing has been around forever and so has MMA. Americans just heard of the MMA when UFC came about and they don’t have the best fighters in the world. They just fight fighters in the UFC. Think about it

Posted May 13, 2013 12:29 am 


Hammerman

marquez wanted that fight with Floyd so he came up to fight him. Canelo wants this fight with Floyd not Floyd wanting to fight him. I think they should fight somewhere around 149 to 150. If they fight at 147 then the money split should be 70-30% or 65-35%. They should not fight at 154 cause Canelo wants this fight

Posted May 13, 2013 12:23 am 


147pounder

Floyd fought cotto at 154 because cotto was an easy target but I doubt he has the balls to fight canelo and all the ppl who complain about canelo wanting to fight Floyd at 154 ,,,,,,just remember that Floyd fought marquez qho is 2weight division lower than him

Posted May 12, 2013 9:13 pm 


Hey Rapid,

Start kissin’, because Mayweathers highest was 151 for his 154lb fights. You are speculating. He feels great at 147, gaining a couple would only be reasonable…stop speculating. Its not puzzling at all. He’s been maintaining 147 weeks before his last fight – he’s maintaining – he’s not about to begin yo yo-ing for his last 5 fights, the guy is disciplined, he knows whats at stake.

Posted May 12, 2013 9:11 pm 


K.C.

Well, It certainly isn’t winning fans for the sport. If anything the sport is in a steady decline and the reality is that many fans (excect the dozen fraud nutt sac gobblers) could care less about fraud. Most people don’t even like boxing. All fraud is concerned is his wallet and cherry picking

Posted May 12, 2013 7:14 pm 


K.C.

Why is it that every other boxer is suppose to make accomadations for Fraud?? Why is that?? Canelo is a champion in every right the same as Fraud yet, in every instance, all boxers must make compromises for Fraud. F’ Fraud and his whole circus freak family!!

Posted May 12, 2013 5:29 pm 


nicolas

The idea that Canelo should fight Mayweather at 147 is absurd. He has not fought at that weight since early 2010. Men who have come down in weight to fight for titles when being champions at a higher weight have not been very successful. Look at Chad Dawson’s dismal performance against Ward. The way to solve this problem would be to have them weight in on the day of the fight, lilke they did over 30 yrs ago. Mayweather has always said that he is fighting for the paycheck and not the legacy. The problem that he has as far as the later is that he is just so muich better than anyone else at 147. Unless Bradley does a number on the in September 40 year old Marquez, who else is there? Pacquiao is for many of us dead on arrival if that were to happen. I do agree with the writer about the Alvarez-Trout fight, the scoring after 8 rounds, except for the Phillipino judge was a disgrace.

Posted May 12, 2013 4:40 pm 


Needy Mayweather

Public Enema …Youre a pathetic case for Puerto Rican I bet they are embarrased of your pathetic ass. Every thread you come on is a Negative post, never one good post especially towards mexicans. You need some major therapy bro.I can only imagine what the rest of your life is like.

Posted May 12, 2013 2:12 pm 


Hidalgo

You’re right Tark. In my haste to argue with you, I forgot the image of Hearns losing to Hagler. Hagler had Hearns out on his feet. I remember he tagged Tommy on the chin, then Tommy started this stutter run around the ring to his right, looking over his shoulder at Marvin, forcing a hurt smile, then Marvin caught up to him and gave him the final blow. But like I said, Tommy also clobbered a lot of guys too. But I still think Mayweather would have a difficult time with Tommy because he would find it very hard to get past Tommy’s jab.

But if you’re going to pick Tommy apart you should at least be magnanimous with your criticism and lay some on Floyd as well. After all, his “cherrypicking” image didn’t come from nowhere. And he never made a fight with the other best welterweight when he had an opportunity. He blatantly cheated on his weight in one of the biggest fights in his career. He turned down $8 million to fight one of the most feared welterweights of the time, blaming it on issues with his then-promoter. He has made a habit of fighting opponents who normally fight in a smaller weight division. There was a number of years when he injected a pain killer to make it through his fights-this being the main reason he fought so much in Las Vegas, NV-it was the only state at the time in which it was not illegal to do so. He consistently claims he only fights the best when he does not. He has never made any effort to sweep any of the two weight divisions he currrently fights in. He picks his opponents for the money-not the contest. There’s a lot of fluff behind Floyd’s big “0″ as he kneads and picks his way through the welterweight and jr. middleweight divisions. And he’ll continue to do it for the next five fights as well. Floyd is a great boxer but he’s not the GOAT. Not now. And he may never be. But we’ll see how he looks 11 1/2 years from now if he keeps fighting til the ripe old age of 48. Like Tommy Hearns did.

Posted May 12, 2013 1:46 pm 


RUFFKNIGHT

That’s “good, wild desperation punch”. Leonard would have ko’d Floyd also, IMO.

Posted May 12, 2013 1:43 pm 


RUFFKNIGHT

Hearns was beating Barkely until he got over confidentand got hit with a good wil desperation punch which doomed him in the first fight. In their second bout hearns was all too cautious and didn’t want the same thing to happen, so he stayed away and lost on points. Corrales was no Hearns either and Tommy most likely would have sent Floyd across the canvas like a bowling ball. A hearn’s win by KO.

Posted May 12, 2013 1:40 pm 


JOHN

I have news for you TE TUMBO…….Any of the three would have destroyed Floyd ! ANY OF THEM ! HEARNS, LEONARD OR DURAN! In fact if Tommy caught him like Mosley, he would still be out cold ! TODAY. Sugar Ray would simply embarrass him ! Duran might have a bit oif trouble like the kind that Guerrero did except getting caught with that sharp jab or leaping overhand right would discourage or stop Durna, and he’d make Floyd pay dearly for trying !

Posted May 12, 2013 12:53 pm 


te tumbo

Floyd defeats Leonard who was being outboxed by Tommy (“You’re blowing it, son! You’re blowing it!”) before his legs (not necessarily chin) gave out in the 14th round. legit ATG comeback and win by Leonard. a similar scenario would probably unfold between Floyd and Hearns but just imagine what would happen if that prime welter-version of Tommy landed the same rightS that a ringworn Mosley did? fight-ending power is what made Hearns special but we also saw what Floyd did to the powerpunching Corralles. forewarned, Mayweather is even more difficult to hit and keener to exploit every single opening. this same combination of talent and ring-craft would be too much for the welter Duran to overcome. pride never overcame reason with Floyd and Duran would not have the opportunity to exploit it like he did v. leonard, Once. Hagler too big, too multi-dimensional, too rugged and tough. if the ringworn Cotto could compel Floyd to grind along for 12 rounds, Hagler would dismantle Floyd with relative impunity. absolutely nothing Floyd could do to keep Marvelous off of him other than hang on for dear life. Hagler by TKO. someone finally steps into stop the punishing slaughter.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:44 pm 


K.C.

There are about a dozen Fraud ball shiners on this site that can’t see the forest for the trees!!! How do you guys even got time to post on here while at the same time waxing frauds ballsac?!! Incredible stuff!!

Posted May 12, 2013 12:16 pm 


Gonzo of Nazareth

Ernie agrees, therefore I conclude that Ernie is indeed very wise.

Posted May 12, 2013 11:28 am 


willypep

lets remember a guy like sugar ray leonard who later in his career took long layoffs ala mayweather but then came back directly to fight marvelous for the middleweight challenge…..can Floyd do something ‘of the sort’ by taking on canelo at 154?….Floyd is a great fighter but he is nothing like sugar ray or Muhammad or other great ones that took on REAL challenges

Posted May 12, 2013 9:47 am 


Public Enemy

These are the same Chihuahuas that had no problem With Miguel Cotto being starved down to 144lbs to fight Paquiao and had a Party in the Streets when a weight drained Cotto lost to Paquiao.. but now they have a problem with their Cinnabum going down to 147lbs???? or even a 151 catchweight to finally fight Mayweather who has shown cannot go about 151lbs.?? I’m sure they also want Cinnabum to be allowed to come into the fight, fightnight weighing 172+lbs… Yeap, these guys are true warriors.. ROFLM-true Latino-AO.. fkn cheaters..

Posted May 12, 2013 8:58 am 


Public Enemy

There’s no problem with Cinnabum defending his title at 154lbs the problem is when Cinnabum shows up the next night weighing 172+lbs!!!!! Typical Tijuana Weight Gain Trick.. Most if not all Mexicans do it… All Floyd has to do is demand Random Blood testing and a 2 lb weight gain limit fight night or Cinnabum forfeits his Purse and Belts… At 156lbs Cinnabum will get pummeled as bad or worst then MargaCheato got pummeled vs Paquiao and Mosley without his Cement Wraps…

Posted May 12, 2013 8:55 am 


Happyboy

Agreed!

Posted May 12, 2013 7:17 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

As WBA/WBC 154LB champion Canelo should defend his title @ that weight. PBF was WBA light-middleweight champion so where’s the problem? If Floyd wants the accolade of 100% #1 P4P’er then the fight needs to be @ 154!

Posted May 12, 2013 6:52 am 


Happyboy

You got to give it to boxing as a sport. The fight is for a 154lbs title yet come fight night it will be a fight between Floyd ( 151lbs) JMW vs Canelo ( 172lbs) LHW. I guess we have to find some way to level the playing fields in order to make a fight with Mayweather seem fair.

Posted May 12, 2013 6:24 am 


tachyon

Canelo cant’t make 147 he can’t make 154 without exploding
to 172.. PBF would be a fool to fight a guy is a light heavy wight fight time.

Posted May 12, 2013 5:57 am 


mr. b

I totally disagree with the writher. I think it´s time for Mayweather to show the World that his not afraid of taking ricks. And come on Mayweather has been at 154 before so to me saying no to fight Canelo at 154 and just say no 147 or it wont be is him being a chicken. If mayweather was to take this fight and win, which he should be abel to do, Mayweather would prove his greatness which I think he needs to do.

Posted May 12, 2013 5:41 am 


Happyboy

Screw all this bs talk and excuses and let Floyd and Canelo get it on @154lbs, no clauses, no bs, give the young man his $6M and Floyd his $35M and let’s get it on. Boxing fans are so fickle.

Posted May 12, 2013 5:39 am 


doylexxx

Why does this writer and other floyd fans feel the need to protect him.
Where was this talk of Alvarez being too big for Mosley for instance?

Floyd needs Pac to take drug test – Alvarez is too big even though they are champs at the same weight !!

It’s a good jobn other boxers dont need all these special conditions that Mayweather does.

Posted May 12, 2013 5:36 am 


tito

So its ok for Floyd to make Marquez to move up from 135 to 144 & decide to come in at 146 himself, thats like Sergio Martinez agreeing to fight Floyd at 156 & then weighing in at 158!!!

Posted May 12, 2013 3:39 am 


TARK

Hidalgo… Is it OK that a lightweight beat Barkley but Hearns couldn’t??? Barkley lost a ton of fights and has no victories over top caliber boxers like Kalambay, Nunn, Toney, Sims, Benn, and then a bunch of guys you never heard of.. My point was Hearns would be an easy target for Mayweather’s masterful lead rights…because even a plodder like Barkley could find Hearns.. And Hearns DID get knocked out. Both Hagler and Barkley knocked him clean out. Tommy was coo-coo. The referee stepped in to save Tommy while Leonard was still in the process of battering him senseless.. Hearns was a pretty skinny welterweight.. That helped Leonard beat him.. Tommy’s punch resistance wasn’t there. Floyd suffered one flash knockdown from a punch from Judah — but it was so quick the referee missed it.

Posted May 12, 2013 3:04 am 


spartacus 65

I respectfully disagree with the writer of this article. Mr.Mayweather fought in two bouts at this weight and showed no negative aspects to his game. Oscar delahoya and Miguel cotto. Both were past their fistic primes but in certain junctures during their bouts they had their moments. Mayweather eked out adecision with mr. Delahoya and win comfortably against cotto. So why the change of heart with Canelo?

Posted May 12, 2013 1:33 am 


Old Coot

@ Jay Yep… He did. He scared… Just like he scared of a smaller guy they call Pacman.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:48 am 


jay

Floyd should take the MILLIONS and spank the freckle face kid silly in a CATCHWEIGHT why so much fear on Floyd part, didn’t Floyd fought Cotto at 154 pounds.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:40 am 


Old Coot

Yeah Floyd… WHEN?

Posted May 12, 2013 12:38 am 


Old Coot

Jay… Canelo is NOT a natural WW… He only fought there for just over three years because he had trouble making weight starting way back in 2009 for God sakes. Since May 2010, he has been a LMW.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:33 am 


jay

So I question the Author of this article WHERE IS THE SO CALL CATCHWEIGHT don’t tell me it doesn’t or it never exist.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:32 am 


Old Coot

@ Jay: Yeah… If only Floyd hadn’t hand-picked slow pushovers like Gatti, bloated Marquez and Guerrero, or old Baldomir, and Cintron, or those with discipline issues like Ortiz, and stamina and discipline issues like prime Judah, THEN Floyd faked repeated retirement to avoid- a rematch with De La-Hoya, and Hatton, or to avoid just one fight with either a prime undefeated Cotto, a prime undefeated Williams… a prime (pre-cheat) Margarito, and the creme de-la creme… Floyd’s shady, unfounded accusations and unwarranted demands to avoid Paquiao. So we’ll never really know if he is REALLY as good as his record. I strongly suspect not!

Posted May 12, 2013 12:27 am 


jay

Canelo is a natural welterweight when Oscar de la SHO sign him but Oscar, Bob Arum and HBO got togeher behind closed doors and agreed that Canelo should figh as a Super welterweight so a fight between Manny and Floyd wouldn’t be jepordized but Floyd proof HBO/Bob and Oscar that he DOESN’T have what it takes to be a real Warrior and let a 40 year old Mexican Warrior Marquez to get the glory of beating the so call Fillipino wonder and Raise the Mexican Flag once again on HBO and its Millions of viewers around the World.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:27 am 


jay

Yeah, Floyd would also beat a Manny, Paul Williams, Cintron, Magarito, Clottey, a once 147 undefeated Cotto before Magarito and Manny DISABLE/DESTROYED him ITS ALL WOULD OF……Hearns, Sugar Ray, Hagler, Duran, Benitez, Salvador Sanchez, Chavez sr., Oscar de la Hoya and Marquez didn’t have that “Should of” becaused thy all fought each other.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:17 am 


Old Coot

@ Jay: It is funny as H-E-double hockey stix, that some to the same boxing fans who SO often complained about Pacquiao making people fight at so-called “catch-weights”, now want to force Canelo who is a natural Light Middle Weight, to just skip right past the catch-weight, all together, and drop all the way down to Floyd’s comfort zone at 147lbs?

Really?… I mean what are you folks affraid of… Quit helping Floyd sell his sleight of hand will ya? Is it not bad enough that Floyd’s last opponent was really a Light Weight with less than a year at Welter Weight, which made him slow as molasses. Reminds me of when Floyd fought Marquez!

Not to mention, is it not even worse that he ducked the Pacman for years and may have succeeded in running out the clock? Now you guys gotta protect Floyd from another potential real challenger? In my book, that is some seriously revealing hypocrisy on Mayweather fans’ part. Because truth be told since Floyd Jr. should have moved up to Light Middle Weight like 3 years ago it would be much easier for him to do so, than make Canelo lose natural muscle mass to protect Floyd…

Besides, since when does a bright young rising contender move DOWN in class, to fight early in his career, even before he’s really had a chance to secure a real legacy? Especially against a super seasoned Hall of Fame superstar like Mayweather, who should be able to school this “kid” on any level!

You feel me?

Posted May 12, 2013 12:15 am 


Hidalgo

BTW, Tark, you’re kind of splitting hairs. Tommy was almost 30 years old when he fought Barkley for the first time.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:11 am 


Hidalgo

“Mayweather would beat Hearns with ease at 147 ”
Doubtful.

Hearns fought Barkley as a middleweight and light heavyweight. Not as a welterweight and, Barkley fought Tommy for the first time some seven years after Tommy fought Leonard. Other than Hagler who also beat Tommy as a middleweight, the only other guys to stop Tommy was Leonard when Hearns was fighting as a welterweight and Grant in 2000 when Tommy fought as a cruiserweight and was an “old” boxer.

Floyd would have serious problems with Tommy’s height, reach, and sizzling left jab. Tommy was plenty accurate with his quick stabbing jab. He could dislocate jaws with his right. Mayweather would not have the balls to get up inside of Tommy, like Leonard did, to fight a tough, inside fight. And, if he stayed on the outside, moving like he likes to do, Hearns would tag him a lot more with his jab than Mayweather would on Hearns with both fists.

You try to qualify your argument by pointing out that Tommy “got knocked out three times in his 20s” Well, not exactly. Tommy has never been KOd. He’s been TKO’d. There is a difference. Even so, only five out of 67 fighters were able to beat Tommy Hearns. And of those 61 remaining Tommy stopped 48 of them. 48. Floyd Jr. has how many KO’s/TKOs? Floyd Jr. has 23 opponents to go before he matches the odds the Hitman faced in his career. And we all know Floyd isn’t going to fight 23 more fights. Were a Hearns/Mayweather match possible, I would put my money on Tommy Hearns. Straight up.

Posted May 12, 2013 12:07 am 


jay

Canelo is 22 years old and shouldn’t have any prblem making the 147 weight besides come fight nite he should regain his regular weight, BUT what happen to the “Catchweight” that Floyd INVENTED in this ONCE proud sport of Boxing?

Posted May 12, 2013 12:00 am 


TARK

I knew you’d be the first one to come up with that Ernie Enema snoot.. Just shows that Vitali is the better and tougher K Bro.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:48 pm 


Old Coot

Like I said when they announced the Guerrero v Mayweather fight… How do you consider yourself the best ever, then pick an opponent who just moved up from lightweight less than a year ago, and has been slowed down almost in half by the jump in class? Typical mayweather smoke and mirrors. Fight a real challenge Floyd! Like for instance, the one who destroyed Cotto, who then later gave you the hardest fight of your life. PACQUIAO!

Posted May 11, 2013 11:42 pm 


largo

It’s Me, Ernie, do yourself a favor & keep your dirty mouth shot. I’ll give you another chance, write something worth reading; if you can’t, well, that’s you, a certified loser. Admit it & go away.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:36 pm 


largo

It’s me Ernie, that’s the best you can do…you deserve to be in the place you are right now-loser land. You have nothing to contribute. Nothing. Loser…

Posted May 11, 2013 11:30 pm 


OPP (yeah you know me!)

Beacause flomos fights only blowed up welter only and why spanish fly cannot fights in his natural weight?? beacause flomos has mole his ass so he calling shots?

Posted May 11, 2013 11:25 pm 


largo

It’s me Ernie, you want to oppose Tark views by insulting him with cheap shots; you’d be more respected if you put forward strong opposing ideas that make more sense…don’t just insult, tell us where he’s wrong.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:14 pm 


Old Coot

The Floyd Maweather fight. Pick slower opponent… Ding-ding: Run in circles, right-pot-shot, shoulder-roll, hold… Repeat… Ding-ding… The end- UD Floyd.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:12 pm 


TARK

Right…. Hecdog knows Boxing so well he picked Guerrero to beat Floyd and bet on him.. It would be one thing to pick Canelo to beat Floyd — but Guerrero??? You have to really underrate Floyd to do that.

I picked Leonard to come off a 3-year-layoff and kick Hagler’s ass in a division Ray never fought in before. To me, Hagler was going to get whipped by the first good boxer he met. Mugabi caught Hagler with shots no good boxer ever gets hit with. Hearns, Duran, Geraldo—everybody hit Hagler with shots they pulled out of their asses. What masterful boxing natural middleweight did Hager ever fight? There are no James Toney’s, Mike McCallum’s, Rodrigo Valdez’s, Bernard Hopkins’s or Michael Nunn’s on his record … Marv was as slick as Dimitry Pirog.

Posted May 11, 2013 10:41 pm 


Fight Scribe

@ Tark – what are you on saying Hearns wasn’t a great boxer. Great boxers come in many differing forms, shapes, sizes and this man through sheer hard work, will, stamina and instestinal fortitude was a great fighter. Ask any trainer over the last 40 years of verification. Are you even remotely aware of Haglers record?

Posted May 11, 2013 10:29 pm 


Fight Scribe

Who cares what Hidalog says re Hearns and FM. FM is a defensive master. Sugar Ray Leonard was to defensively sound for Hearns and in order to knock someone out you have to touch them and as everyone has seen in the last 17 years that has not being an easy thing to do…consistently.

Posted May 11, 2013 10:26 pm 


Gonzo of Nazareth

I agree with everyone who agrees with me. If you agree with me, you are very wise indeed. And that’s a fact by the way.

Posted May 11, 2013 9:54 pm 


Gonzo of Nazareth

Hidalgo.. Is indeed correct. Floyd would still be snoozing the sleep of death if Hearns detonated one of his A bombs on his glass whiskers.

Posted May 11, 2013 9:52 pm 


Needy Mayweather

Garcia youre over rated as a trainer bro, the only thing you tell your fighters between rounds is come on kick his ass, you can do it. You never give any specifics of a game plan. You suck!

Posted May 11, 2013 9:04 pm 


boxingfan

I think Alvarez should agree to fight Mayweather at 147 then come in heavier like Floyd did to Marquez. Or is Mayweather the only one that can get away with breaking the weight agreements?

Posted May 11, 2013 8:57 pm 


Needy Mayweather

Its comic how supposedly Mayweather is the biggest draw. Its plain and simple Mexican fighters are the biggest draw, that is the reason Mayweather has to fight a Mexican boxer or a lating fighter , because he knows if he doesnt Latins but Mexicans in general will not pay for his pathetic fights. Mayweather owes everything to the fans especially mexicab boxing fans that only tune in to watch this cherry picker get his ass kicked.

Posted May 11, 2013 8:57 pm 


Prof Konje

As I said in an earlier post, Mayweather needs no one as he is the draw. He also doesn’t need the money. He could sit out anyone who is unreasonable in their demands such as purse percentage, ring size, location, etc. That’s the point. If anyone wants to fight Floyd, it must be on his terms or it doesn’t happen. Why should he go up in size for anyone? He makes his money no matter who’s involved.

Posted May 11, 2013 8:49 pm 


Hecdog

IT’s ME ERNIE. I agree 100% agree. Hagler was a great boxer puncher. He was as well rounded a fighter as there has been. If anyone can criticize Hagler, you simply don’t know boxing.

Posted May 11, 2013 8:43 pm 


Hecdog

Seriously? Why on earth would you want to see Canelo make 147. He hasn’t made that weight since he was 12 years old. Canelo is quite ready for Mayweather either. If the fight were a true fight toe to toe, no problem, but Floyd’s safety first approach will make it the most boring fight in history. No one that knows boxing wants to see that. Hit, hold and run is what we will see all night. Mayweather always tries to gain advantages, which he can if enough money is paid out, but I sure wish fight weights were made on the same day of the fight. They did it for years, and should bring it back. All this weight that fighters put on an entire day before is ridiculous. They also need to make the boxing rings size smaller. Listen, people pay money to see fights, and defense is great, but hugging, holding, running and sprinting away from your opponent isn’t fighting. The referee needs to instruct certain fighters to fight. Penalize those fighters that continually run out of fear like some guys we know.

Posted May 11, 2013 8:40 pm 


Maracho

The prince, only the slickafrocentrists want the Canelo fight and if we hated Floyd, we wouldnt be trying to get him to fight the best. Imagine if Floyd had listened to us and fought Morales, Barrera, Margarito, Mosley, Pac, Cotto, and Martinez when we wanted him to? He’d be a bigger name than Jordan because he “probably would have won”. Unfortunately, he dont have the faith and courage that Andre Ward and the greats of the past

Posted May 11, 2013 7:35 pm 


Popkins

Canelo is a light middleweight. Draining Canelo down to 147 will do little to enhance Floyd’s record. Mayweather has already fought Cotto at 154. Fair enough if Mayweather wants to remain at his natural weight 147 for the rest of his career. But as P4P no.1 he won’t be able to cherry pick any 154 fighters. It’s either Alvarez at light middle, or stay at welter from now on.

Posted May 11, 2013 7:27 pm 


The Prince

Trout landed more punches and should have won the fight. Everyone whose honest knows that Texas gave him the extra points win. Now with that said: Imagine him in their with Mayweather? Do you Floyd haters really want that fight next?

Posted May 11, 2013 7:23 pm 


Maracho

Tark, Do you have any proof of these fight-night weights?

Posted May 11, 2013 7:01 pm 


Killing Moon

Second off…Would love to see Mayweather take on someone who was rated great and not on the slide….So far it hasn’t been the names he’s fought that’s been the problem…. but merely the time he fought them….And not in their natural weight-class…That is a shame…

Posted May 11, 2013 6:56 pm 


TARK

Steward cost Hearns the first Leonard fight… He brought in a faulty scale that weighed 6 pounds too light… On the morning of the fight Hearns weighed 141 and that’s when the error was discovered… Hearns had to add 4 pounds of liquids before the weigh-in to reach a credible weight… But he wasn’t fooling anyone because nobody had ever seen him that skinny before.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:51 pm 


TARK

Hagler was not a great boxer… Leonard won the first 4 rounds without even trying. Leonard put Marv in a deep hole. His corner had to tell Hag to get going, “What are you doing?” If Hagler was a lightweight and a peak Hagler fought Duran the night of his 3rd DeJesus fight, Duran would have been boxed Hag to death.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:44 pm 


Maracho

I believe Hearns got robbed twice against Leonard

Posted May 11, 2013 6:43 pm 


TARK

Floyd generally weighs less going into the ring than he does for the weigh-in. For Oscar he weighed 151 for the weigh-in and 148 for the fight.. For Cotto is was the same, he weighed less going into the ring.. That’s because he doesn’t eat before a fight.. He wants an empty colon so all the liquids he drinks during a fight are absorbed very quickly — giving him an endurance edge in the late rounds if he needs to step it up a few notches, the way he closed the Cotto fight. He put the cherry on top in the last round because he still had gangbuster amounts of energy.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:36 pm 


Maracho

Hagler didnt KO Duran. In fact it was a great fight that went the distance

Posted May 11, 2013 6:32 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

jason: Duran beat SRL at 147… then quit against him in the rematch. Hearns was beating up Leonard (detached his retina) but his chin fell through in the 15 rounder. Hearns went up in weight to fight Hagler, and his same chin failed him in a brawl against Haglar who could take his punch and give back. Haglar beat Hearns with the same type of advantage that Leonard beat him with, and Leonard beat Haglar with the same type of advantage that he made Duran quit with in the rematch. Hearns and Duran were not on more even grounds. Hearns was a far bigger man in that fight. Floyd came in 6 pounds heavier for not going to his catchweight. Yes, it shows that FMJ is much better than JMM IMO…. JMM also has a loss to Chris John… FMJ wasn’t the first man to beat him…. but FMJ beat him from second one of round one, to the end of the fight. He showed more EVERYTHING, he didn’t go out and ice him like Hearns did Duran. You’re being irrational.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:29 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Killing Moon: He definitely wouldn’t fight Alvarez at 147, that’s for sure. I don’t know where this title came from but I haven’t even read the article. Duran moved up for being fat, he lost to all the greats, either by a “no más” or a devastating KO loss, that’s challenging yourself? whatever, his fight fight Leonard yes, he even won the first one. But other than that Duran just ballooned up in weight because he was horribly out of shape… FMJ does not have that problem, or in you alls world “gift” of being able to slop into a solid-ish 154+ …I respect the legends, but don’t try to put on your rose colored glasses and crap on a great fighter in his own right with irrational comparisons. Hearns biggest win is against that same Duran. They were in a better era yes, but Floyd is a 5 division champion. Haglar, isn’t… for instance, his biggest bouts were against guys from smaller divisions as far as I understand, and he’s 1-2 …I wish FMJ and MP could have settled the blood doping test and money split stuff, and gotten that out of the way.. that win for Floyd would have been a nice mark in the peak of the 1 year Manny prime. He can move to 154 and beat Canelo, but that fight with MP was much bigger, you see… MP is a P4P standout class fighter… Canelo, is just a good fighter… with some passionate fans. Yeah, I’d like for Floyd to sabotage his 36 year old body to fight him actually, why not heck.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:23 pm 


Maracho

Q, Mayweather has been ranked at 154 for years and you are also way off on Golovins walk-around weight, which is actually just 161 lbs. see Video: Abel Sanchez on Gennady Golovkin

Posted May 11, 2013 6:07 pm 


jason

Q – no its not nonsense.. not at all… heanrs vs duran was a mismatch too your right, in terms style and size, but you cant say that the fight means that hearns in a different class to duran can you.. because duran almost beat hagler and beat SRL… which hearns lost to.. so my point is valid… mayweather vs marquez was just one of those fights, and doesnt neccesarly mean than mayweather is that much better… and for me the fact that he came overweight as well says it all really… at least duran and hearns when they fought it was on even terms… anyways… mayweather took an unfair advantage before stepping in the ring, so for me, it was always be a tainted victory…. as far as against ODLH , i agree it was never a split decision

Posted May 11, 2013 6:05 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Maracho: Yes, Floyd tried to fight at 154 and managed a ground breaking 151 pounds (4 pounds over 147 and 3 under 154). Then immediately went back to weighing in 147 in his next bout, even after a layoff.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:02 pm 


Killing Moon

Anyone thinking that a fight between Canelo and Floyd takes place outside 154…Are deluding themselves….There comes a time in every ATG career where that fighter wants to take chances….It has nothing to do with winning….But all to do with challenging yourself…How far can I stretch my talent…That is what makes an All time great not the 0.Honestly I think he should take on a small 160(Can be a nobody for all I care) ..Just to see if he can compete at that weight….He owes it to himself to try.

That Floyd doesn’t want to take chances after all these years is his own decision but is none the less disappointing….And also the reason….He’ll not be seen in the same light as Duran,Robinson and others…Deal with it….When he retires there will prolly be a nice 0 but who honestly cares about that….If he didn’t challenged himself…Is what it is.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:02 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

DON’T GET ME WRONG THOUGH. I’d rather see Peterson Vs. Mayweather… I think Lamont will beat Lucas.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:58 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Last I checked, FMJ is the “boxer”, and Lucas is the P4P puncher, but oh, he’d be FORCED to move up to his second division. Give me a break. I didn’t even say that Bradley was forced when he moved up to fight Manny, and Bradley is smaller than Lucas, and a much much lighter puncher, and he was moving up to fight a brawler puncher, come on people. stop.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:56 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Killing Moon: Yep, ODH was coming down from MW and everything.. albeit he sabotaged his body a bit going there, he’s a much larger fighter than FMJ, and FMJ doesn’t get much glory from that win from the same guys who make excuses for JMM losing virtually every second of his bout with FMJ for obviously far more than size. And what’s this about forcing guys to move up in weight? You just mention Floyd fighting an ODH who had fought as high as MW, and an acclimated (yet not big) Jr. MW in Cotto, but then you turn and write that a Lucas Matthysse is so terribly wronged for moving up ONE DIVISION, his FIRST DIVISION, to fight for millions in the biggest bout he’d ever have in his life? dafuuuu???????? Oh, heavens forbid someone moves up to there second division to fight someone.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:53 pm 


Maracho

Q, Mayweather wont disclose his fightnight weights but I am sure its over 150. Heck, he weighed in at 151 the night before against Cotto

Posted May 11, 2013 5:52 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

jason: Exactly, he’s 23 (in 2 months) and he will be at Middleweight sooner or later IMO as he’s already weighing in on fight night at 172, that said… I’m not talking about him so called growing into 160, I’m saying go… RIGHT NOW to 160 and fight an established at the weight GGG. There is literally no excuse not to with this clamor about FMJ. In my opinion he’s ducking GGG if we are going to be consistent.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:42 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Crown Prince of Whales: You’re right, FMJ IS the ATG, right? Why is a horrible for Canelo to physically sabotage himself to the advantage of FMJ, but it’s ok for the ATG to balloon up and physically sabotage himself to fight the guy who wants HIS post? Interesting. And don’t say “fight a bunch of 140 pounders” as if FMJ is so different from them, he’s not a huge guy, jaja. He’s more naturally a 140 than a 154. He never actually had to leave 140, he moved up so he could fight ODH at 154 (this was close to Floyd’s prime years) and that weight gain and giant gloves left him dominant over the much much bigger Oscar, but he lost a step at that weight. That’s just not his weight. He doesn’t have to sabotage his body for anyone, although yes, IF HE decides that’s what HE wants to do, I think he’ll beat Canelo, but IF HE decides to end his career in his 4th division, that’s also fine.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:40 pm 


jason

Q – im sure he will move up, he is only 22 dont forget

Posted May 11, 2013 5:33 pm 


Killing Moon

So basicly Floyd fights De la Hoya at 154(Who went down from Middleweight)and Cotto …But can’t fight Alvarez at the same weight…And forcing fighters up in weight to fight him…Right…Gotcha.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:33 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

This makes perfect sense to me – every word of it.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:31 pm 


jason

Q – ok i got the weight division wrong on duran my bad… but its different, he was comfortable at the weight, come on he had just taken hagler 15 rounds lthe fight before… so yes its very different …
but my question had no point, i just wanted to see how much your in love with your boy haha

Posted May 11, 2013 5:31 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

jason: I’ve already commented on that, yes it wasn’t nice. But what is your point exactly? And I don’t know what JMM said after the fight, but I watched that fight and JMM was in it, and FMJ wasn’t too “big” he was too rangy, too sharp, too fast, too smart and outclassed JMM, something that he admits, and in a recent interview, he says he doesn’t want to fight Floyd against because we know what happened in 09

Posted May 11, 2013 5:30 pm 


Crown Prince of Whales

To the title question of this article: Canelo doesn’t fight Mayweather because making that weight would be quite difficult for him and would be a serious advantage for Mayweather, who’d get to fight a weight-drained version of Canelo. Mayweather is the ATG, right? He’s the guy who’s already won a title in Canelo’s division and can beat anyone, right? So the real question is why won’t Floyd move up again and beat Canelo? Mayweather could fight at 160 and beat Martinez, in all likelihood. What’s he afraid of? Instead he’ll stay at 147 and beat a bunch of 140 pounders. Whatever it takes to preserve his 0. And his legions of fanboys will continue to praise his every move.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:27 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

jason: I would favor FMJ to win that fight, if pushing yourself to the limit means physically sabotaging your body, then…. EVERY fighter needs to do it, and Canelo needs to move to 160 to fight GGG, now. FMJ could push his limits by going to 160 or 175 also, but come on. However yes, he has fought near 154 before, so it would be interesting. Yeah, I wouldn’t mind seeing it, and I think FMJ wins it, but don’t sell me these bs comparisons that are completely irrational, and don’t tell me that Floyd HAS to sabotage his body to push his limits. If he declines himself by bulking to 151… then is that really pushing his limits or is it just simply sabotaging his body? He’ll lose what he has left faster that way also… 36 going yo-yoing in weight.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:26 pm 


jason

Q – again, do you think floyd was out of order for failing to make weight, in light of what marquez had to do to come up???
and marquexs first comment after the fight was, he was too big… and those 10 fight have been spread over how many years???

Posted May 11, 2013 5:25 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

jason: Wait, Hearns freakish size advantage (which he actually pressed) against Duran is null, because YOU think that Roberto Duran’s best weight was Jr. Middleweight? WTF, jajajaj…. but FMJ boxes the crap out of JMM (with a size difference less profound), and JMM accepts that and said he wouldn’t fight FMJ again because everybody knows what happened in 09, and you’re saying something different? Dude, relax. Not even JMM agrees with you.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:22 pm 


jason

Q – dont you want to see your boy push himself to the limits, and provide us the fans with some memorable moments… or are you so in love with him that you cant fathom the thought that he may lose

Posted May 11, 2013 5:22 pm 


jason

redmond – learn to read, i wasnt saying may and pac cant be compared, i was saying their respective fights against marquez cant be….

Posted May 11, 2013 5:21 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Maracho: Wait, Floyd can’t make 154 and will never acclimate physically to that weigh… but he’s ducking fighters who walk around or way in 168-170+…but Matthysse can’t move to his second division as a puncher to fight FMJ because he’s conforming? Jajaja.. ok. Canelo should fight GGG. Floyd is in his 4th division already. You’re drunk gtfo.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:18 pm 


TARK

JMM wasn’t a welterweight when he fought Floyd. He needed a much better and smarter strength trainer and he finally found one. Right now he’s in a great position because if he beats Bradley and Pacquiao, you know damned well he’s going to change his mind about fighting Floyd again … But regardless how physically strong he is JMM is not going to change the result of his first encounter with Floyd — because whatever he gained in strength he’s lost in age. The big deal would be for him to get past a fairly young Bradley. I give him a 30% chance of doing that and an a 70% chance of beating Pacquiao again … He’s learned something new every time he’s faced Pac.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:17 pm 


jason

redmond – for gods man… off course its different.. it was at durans best weight… he had not suddenly come up two weight divisions, again, if use a bit of a thinking you would realise its very different.. with regards to pac and marquex and mayweather vs marquez… if you dont see that there is a huge difference in the two fights, then there is no hope… against mayweather marquez wasnt even in shape, and was very uncomfortable at the weight…but you are impossible to debate with, you’ve got blinkers on and nothing will change that…. with regard to canelo… its a legit fight… its a goods fight, mayweather can handle it, its just his strange fans who cant … im sure cotto would fight canelo and noone would say anything about size. and cotto is no bigger than may weather … anyway whatever.. each to their own i guess

Posted May 11, 2013 5:17 pm 


Maracho

Done, Deal, Floyd has been ranked at Jr. Middle for years

Posted May 11, 2013 5:14 pm 


Maracho

Q, its common knowledge that Golvkin, Martinez, Canelo etc.. have all agreed to fight him at 154 but the so called Money May is avoiding the money as usual by suddenly running to a weight where he knows Golavkin and Martinez cant go. Plus, Floyd aint every fought anyone really good at 140 so he should move down to fight Mathysse instead of having everyone conform to his weight.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:13 pm 


Done Deal

Bottom line is Canelo is naturally 165lbs+. That is why he no longer fights at Welter Weight

Posted May 11, 2013 5:08 pm 


Done Deal

Maracho your making up stuff. Floyd has always been a Welter Weight. He just went up too 154 to fight the best opponent out. He has never weight in at more than 151lbs. These are facts, not made up numbers. The difference in Weight between PBF and JMM at the weigh in was 4 pounds. 146 vs. 142. Oh by the way, JMM weight more than 142 when he faced Pac.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Jason lets get this straight you feel that the presumably more violent Pacquaio and Mayweather cannot be compared? Hmmm PAC has knocked out OR knocked down MORE common opponents than Mayweather YET JMM not only fought Manny to a standstill 3x and then knocked him cold the 4th time… Yet FMJ who’s not a guy who goes in looking for the KO simply boxed him blind… Pretending Marquez was in no danger from PAC is belied by the 5kds he experienced en route to his jarring victory… There will ALWAYS be an excuse when Floyd’s in the ring, Hearns was 6″1 when he starched former LW Duran and that might be Tommy’s best win??? But FMJ gets no cred because he totally dominated JMM? Meanwhile Marquez is about to contend for another WW bout at the age of 40….. On the flip side you are totally OK with Canelo having 20 pounds on FMJ? That’s hypocritical but again I see Alvarez with his face shredded no matter what…

Posted May 11, 2013 5:00 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Maracho: 1. How about Lucas come to his second division 147 to fight FMJ who is in his 4th division campaigning? 2. FMJ is still ranked at 154 3. GGG is a Middleweight. If anyone is avoiding him it’d be Canelo.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:00 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

jason: FMJ didn’t met the catchweight agreement, and he gave money for it. but by mentioning that, you discredit what actually happend, and epic stylistic mismatch in which JMM couldn’t deal with the speed and timing, he wasn’t physically bullied, and JMM accepts what actually happened to him, and has said that he’s going to finish his career on his path, and Mayweather on his… and that he doesn’t want to be one of those last 5 of FMJs fights, because he accepts and knows that happened in 2009. That’s what HE said. I’m not saying it was acceptable, I actually though it was a weird bout when I’d heard about it, but JMM has acclimated to being at 147, even knocking out Manny in devastating fashion at 147. FMJ, fought twice at 154 over a span of 6 years and allegedly came into his second fight at that weight at 148. He is in his 4th division. And he did not quickly grow out of being a Jr. Lightweight… he was a Jr. Lightweight (Super featherweight) for 27 fights and five years. In comparison, he’s been a welterweight (dabbling twice in 154) 10 fights.

Posted May 11, 2013 4:56 pm 


Maracho

Floyd was ranked at Jr. Middleweight but just got racketeered down to Welter to fight RG and to avoid the likes of Golovkin. Now if Floyd really want to be game while playing this game, how about he go down to 140 to fight Lucas Mathysse?

Posted May 11, 2013 4:53 pm 


jason

i dont hate mayweather, as i said, hes the best boxer i have ever seen live by a long way… its his fans i cant work out.. strange bunch… its like they dont want to see the guy pushed to the limits… which is what great sportsman do… you Q are a typical example

Posted May 11, 2013 4:21 pm 


jason

Q answer the question about mayweather coming over weight.. can you bring yourself to say something negative about your boy.. im curious

Posted May 11, 2013 4:19 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Truth: Prime FMJ’s one punch handspeed isn’t isn’t much slower than any man to every put on gloves, In combo yes, SRL was faster. Now, FMJ isn’t a natural 147 pounder. SRL started his career there. FMJ’s prime is at 140. I’ll be back later while you contemplate things.

Posted May 11, 2013 4:16 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

jason: I think FMJ outclassed JMM and JMM never wants that fight again according to his own words, even after being at 147 all this time. I think that FMJ and JMM were closer in mass than the 147 FMJ against Canelo who comes in at 172. FMJ is already in his 4th division. But I’ll tell you something else, I think Floyd beats Canelo, because he’s much better… but FMJ is literally sabotaging his body to go to 154, it’s just not were he belongs and he’ll never acclimate to 154 the way that JMM has acclimated to 147. Your hate doesn’t let you think about things in these ways. You can’t possibly think Canelo is more skilled than some of these guys at 147 and 140… the only thing you know is that FMJ can’t acclimate physically to 154, and that Canelo weighs in at 172 on fight night. Trash.

Posted May 11, 2013 4:14 pm 


Truth

I started watching boxing in 1970, and SRL was the best fighter of my lifetime, bar none, in his prime. I think about an SRL- Mayweather matchup, and I don’t even really see a contest, SRL was taller, heaver, faster (yes, MUCH faster), tougher, more confident and a really mean sadistic guy in the ring. He fought Floyd’s daddy, who was a good prospect at the time, (not nearly as good as jr., but good) and instead of running, just backed him into corner and smashed his ribs in for 10 rounds until he folded into a shell. Sr. was never the same after.

Posted May 11, 2013 4:12 pm 


jason

i reckon hearns would have smashed him, not sure about lenoard, simply because i think his style might suit may weather… but maybe im being generous

Posted May 11, 2013 4:05 pm 


T22

If the fight can be made move the weigh in to the afternoon before the fight. That way both fighters will be unable to gain too much weight. Amateurs at local shows weigh in anything from 2-6 hours before the bout so this can be arranged here.

Posted May 11, 2013 4:03 pm 


Truth

A couple of issues that just bug me every time I read a Mayweather thread…1) CASTILLO WAS ROBBED AGAINST MAYWEATHER THE FIRST TIME!!! Please. the guy won three, maybe four rounds, it’s just that the Mayweather haters were so excited to see him in a competitive fight. On the other hand 2)MAYWEATHER IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!! Once again, please, I was around during the golden era 1979-84 of 140-154 lb. boxing, I like Mayweather, and I’ll tell you, I don’t see him having a reasonable chance against either SRL or Hearns, The guy is great but he can’t punch hard enough to keep Sugar, who was a really mean guy off off of him, and he damn sure wasn’t going to outbox the Hitman at 5’8. Leonard was devistating against guys who couldn’t punch. I would say May loses to SRL or Hearns about 90% of the time, Hagler or McCallum about 60% of the time (too big, and a hell of a lot better than Canelo), beats Duran maybe 7 times out of 10, and loses 2 out of ten to Benitez or Aaron Pryor….and I like the guy!

Posted May 11, 2013 4:02 pm 


jason

Q / Redmond – just curious to know how much your in love with your boy floyd…. do you think that mayweather failing to make weight against a guy who came up two divisions for the first time is a little bit out of order ???

Posted May 11, 2013 3:59 pm 


te tumbo

“don’t try to spin it an make Canelo seem valiant for calling for WW’s…”(?!). that’s a spin in and of itself. otherwise,, ambitious is all i’ve implied when describing Canelo’s desire to face Mayweather. i’ve already posted my objection to Mayweather v. Canelo because i i believe that Canelo would be compromised at 147lbs and i Know that Mayweather isn’t at his best at 154lbs , i.e., what’s the point? other than Canelo wanting to believe that he can claim Floyd’s undefeated luster?

Posted May 11, 2013 3:54 pm 


jason

no im not saying he has to do anything.. i saying, he is a legit light middle weight champ, its a legit fight.. it is very simple… ask yourself this, would cotto take the fight?? ill answer for you, hell yes he would, and would his fans act like a bunch complaining bit*ches, hell no they wouldn’t , nuff said

Posted May 11, 2013 3:51 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

The Best! – what are you talking about stupid? Floyd’s been moving up fighting guys for years… what the hell.. jajaja. Hey, I have something to do. I’ll write you later or not. Oh, and all of what WW’s? There was Cotto (who initially declined fighting FMJ, then lost to him later with his 10+ pound advantage, there was Margarito, the glove cheat… plodder, and Paul Williams) I guess Paul you could name, but the rest… give me a break.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:51 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

jason: Floyd won a title against a HOFer who is also more close to his size, not a 170lber… you’re telling me since FMJ fought Cotto at 154 he has to campaign at the division the rest of his career? cut the crap.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:49 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Kirkland was injured when they wanted that fight. He said they weren’t offering him enough money to fight injured.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:47 pm 


The Best!

Q- I dont even know why I am responding to Mayweather nutsuckers like yourself. Go up and down the list and tell me of the 44 fighters mayweather fought how many were in the same weight class, and in their prime when he fought them. I can tell you it was probably a handful. What happened when all of these welter s in their prime 2-4 years ago were calling him out, what did he do? Yeah he went into hiding like a little Biatch. Why didnt he fight the Undefeated Trout to prove he will fight fighters in their prime. Simple too high of a risk. All this clown cares about is making money , he doesnt do it to prove hes the baddest, he is a joke.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:46 pm 


jason

* is it not normal?

Posted May 11, 2013 3:45 pm 


jason

Q – what are you talking about, they are both champions in the same division … idiot… is it normal to fight each other… anybody else, and we wouldnt be even having this debate…

Posted May 11, 2013 3:45 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

te tumbo: A load of horse crap. Canelo had to fight against his promoters to get to fight Trout, yes… good for him, but they wanted to protect him. He took the fight, against a tricky but light puncher… gassed by the 5th round, and now just wants to fight a guy who can hardly make 149 to fight at 154… the 2 times in 6 years that he tried it. Come on man, don’t try to spin it an make Canelo seem valiant for calling for WW’s…. he fought SSM instead of Lara… please, stop. Kirkland was injured when they fought. Vanes started to get picked apart before the head clash against Vanes, he started landing that straight left at will and Vanes looked completely helpless against that attack. Lara is the mandatory for Canelo, he’s more than worthy, but I understand why you’d not want to see that fight. He gasses in 5 rounds against and we’ll see what happens. I think he should obviously beat a Kirkland, but if you gas in 5 rounds against aggressive big punchers, stuff happens to you.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:45 pm 


te tumbo

“It’s really irrational, so irrational that I’m not even sure my post in reference to it all even makes sense” true that.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:44 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

SRED: Exactly, I don’t have an issue with Canelo, but come on… these people are ridiculous. There isn’t an attempted point made by these detractors that isn’t laced with irrational bias. What can one do. I think Canelo weighing in at 170+ will give Floyd issues probably, I mean…. why wouldn’t it? but he’s not on Mayweather’s level at all, and I would lean towards Floyd to win that fight. I actually want to see the fight happen. If Floyd losses, the same people who were up in arms about Floyd’s 6 pound advantage or some on JMM (in a technical outclassing that JMM has admitted he doesn’t want to go through again) will be the same people saying “Canelo is a beast.” Although FMJ outclassed JMM, they mention size, although FMJ was faster, quicker, sharper, smarter… and yes his arms were longer (he has long arms, get over it) but if Canelo a guy coming in at 170+ beats FMJ, it will be OH FLOYD SUCKS. But these guys only give Canelo a chance due to the physical sabotage of FMJ moving up to 154. It’s hard to even describe in a post the random bias nonsense. It’s really irrational, so irrational that I’m not even sure my post in reference to it all even makes sense.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:37 pm 


The Best!

Canelo has no reason to take other peoples demands for fights, he holds two belts in his weight class he needs to stay in that weight class and Unify and dominate it , something Mayweather has never done, all Mayweather does is fight small, or washed up fighters passed their prime, he will go into hiding and come out when he feels danges is out of his way. Mayweather the biggest fraud ever.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:34 pm 


The Best!

Yeah thats would be very smart of Canelo to drop 23 LBS to drop the cherry picker of the century part deuce other than Manny.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:32 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Te tumbo: Jajajajajajajaj……. no no no no no… Canelo was gassed after 5 rounds, if you REALLY don’t want to get hit, and you completely disengage, you’re going to be tough to hit. Canelo was gassed and backed up and moved around for dear life, and it was not pretty at all. Really, what helped him, was not only that he was 100% focused on completely disengaging in those spurts, but also, because Trout had to respect his power on possible counters… Trout wasn’t committing, he’s not a puncher, he wasn’t connecting a lot on Cotto either actually. You’re greatly exaggerating Canelo’s performance. However, you can think as you please. But, the truth will show itself. A Lara or even a Vanes, will put something on the guy, they actually have power, and will commit…. his defense isn’t what you think it is… he gassed like an amateur… even James Kirkland would have taken full advantage of that if that point occurred. 5 rounds.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, sorry if you wanna go that road Alvarez was taking off a TON of time… The win was NOT that impressive it is simply his signature win at this point due to both mens undefeated status, Cottos name being in the mix…. Both guys prime and Trout being a very solid boxer…. Canelo hardly dominated Trout and if they fought again absent some improvement I would lean 60/40 Trout based on what I saw….Trout is still viable in fight circles he showed he is tough, he can rebound from a good shot and he kept trying to win…. The fact the bout took place in Texas naturally and rightfully reflects poorly on those WIDE ass scores and that terrible open scoring… I was rooting for Canelo, and I picked him but he sure as hell did not dominate Trout who was trying to the end…

Posted May 11, 2013 3:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Trying to say Mayweathers fight against Marquez “cannot be used to gauge his Greatness” Marquez has proven OVER and OVER he is a GREAT fighter a man of uncommon will and that statement is an insult to Marquez MORE than Floyd…. Duran, Leonard and others prevailed under some adversity along the way and had Floyd been 144 at weigh in then gone up to 149 or 150 do you really think that was the key to a Marquez victory??? GTFOH Mayweather moved and boxed MORE against the smaller Marquez than he did against Mosley who he was flat footed against….Marquez has won BRUISING battles with Diaz, Katsidis, Casamayor, even Barrera caught him and had him down…. Pacquiao and he have tried to kill eachother his nose was destroyed against Pac man the first fight and he still battled back…. Marquez is not a fighter to let “2 pounds” take him out of the game thats why he took the 600k and fought the fight…. His issue was SKILL and speed, Floyd takes personal setbacks, layoffs, injuries and ring rust in stride and still wins…. JMM is a Warrior a truly GREAT fighter but he was simply out of his depth against Floyd… Hell yeah that bout showed us something Marquez was P4P number 2 in the world and that was the best he could do??? NO ONE made him look like that….

Posted May 11, 2013 3:23 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

SREDMOND: They’re already saying GGG…. If Floyd fights 170+ Canelo at 154, and beats him, they’ll say “now he needs to move up to 160 and fight GGG”

Posted May 11, 2013 3:22 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

they weren’t presumed real mismatches, but they sure became mismatches.*

Posted May 11, 2013 3:19 pm 


te tumbo

REDMOND, i’m not disputiing the lopsided loss that Marquez experienced v. Mayweather. i think it could’ve been worse but perhaps Floyd’s guilty conscience over not making weight compelled him to remain content with simply imposing his size and talent advantages but NOT also advantages in the skills, experience, and ring-smarts departments(?!). not v. Marquez. however, with those categories being equal, Floyd’s additional advantages in size, speed, and strength only magnified his already brilliant boxing-punching skills. Marquez is smart and honest to acknowledge Mayweather’s superiority. as am I.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:14 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

Te Tumbo: “and displayed Mayweatheresque dominance of Trout in his last win.” – hahahahahaha…… are you kidding? The guy visibly gassed after 5 rounds against a light puncher and was reduced to moving around away from engaging. Hurt to the body one could say. Mayweatheresque? How? I’m lost. Didn’t you JUST write that Marquez doesn’t have delusional fans? I’m guessing you’re not one of his fans, and Hatton Vs. FMJ was a mismatch, but so was 99.9% of FMJ’s bouts, but Hatton was the ticket fight at that point. He was considered to have the best chance of the 140ers to beat FMJ. I clearly remember all the talk. Vivian Harris was also a name back then to fight FMJ. Zab Judah was also a name to possibly beat Floyd for his great talent matchup. Things become mismatches with FMJ… it was presumed a real mismatch, but they sure became mismatches.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Jason, where you and I diverge on this point is trying to compare the differential in body mass that Floyd had over Marquez vs what Mayweather would face against Canelo… From a body mass standpoint if you are coming up to WW the two fighters you want to face are Mayweather and Pacquiao both guys are only a few pounds from the limit on fight night. So basically what you see is what you GET…. Whereas Canelo and Trout BOTH were over 170 pounds, Floyd faced Oscar weighing 151, and Cotto according to reports in the latter 140′s due to the flu (whatever) the point is that Mayweather at MAX might have had 7 pounds on JMM fight night and thats stretching… Does he have a larger frame? Yes is he taller Yes who argued that? But there is NO intelligent comparison between Alvarez potentially being 22 pounds heavier the night of the fight…..The two scenarios are NOT analagous to eachother and thats just how I see it…

Posted May 11, 2013 3:09 pm 


Q (Floyd has to physically sabotage himself to make things more fair)

SRED: Moreover, JMM accepts that loss and recently stated in an interview (twice) that he doesn’t want to fight FMJ again, and that we all saw what happened in 2009. He knows why he lost, and he knows he likely still loses. He didn’t even experience the accomplishment of winning a good 45 seconds of any round of that bout.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, don’t take my assertions about Mayweather vs Marquez so personally I think you know I consider Marquez as a the one of the best to ever lace up… That said I am simply pointing out he has been able to compete with and brutally best the second best fighter of the generation yet he was hopeless against Mayweather… Marquez did not win 2 rounds absent pity, he might have won 35 seconds of one round… It was utterly one sided and Floyd being taller does not account for how badly that went for JMM who last came into the ring at the SAME body weight that Floyd fought ODH and even more than he fought Cotto at according to some reports… Again this is a moot point we know JMM and everyone else belong rungs below Mayweather who is just too damn good…

Posted May 11, 2013 2:57 pm 


te tumbo

“the LAST guy he wants to see is DON MAYWEATHER…” it also happens to be the last matchup that any fight-fan would pay to watch. otherwise, you could bet on “Mayweather v. Marquez II! La Revancha!” mismatches have never stopped fights from happening. otherwise, Mayweather v. Hatton would’ve never happened. nor would there still be a lingering desire to see Mayweather v. Pacquiao*. Marquez has a passionate fanbase but not a hysterical or delusional one. neither does Canelo but he’s bigger, undefeated, and displayed Mayweatheresque dominance of Trout in his last win. it’s not a mismatch but it’s also not Floyd at his best in which case, what’s the point?

Posted May 11, 2013 2:51 pm 


alykFate

canelo in ww – no way, everybody knows, he’s too big… but Floyd can fight in lightmiddle and the reason is simple – MONEY!!! He knows, that fight with Canelo on 9/14 this year or next year could break the de la hoyas record – floyd is going to earn huge, realy huge money from ppv. and he needs Canelo, because bradley, alexander, garcia or others havent shiny star as Canelo… And i hope, that weight and power be the keys for victory… And he will defeat Floyd. And dont forget, that Ortiz has also over 20lb more in matchday…

Posted May 11, 2013 2:41 pm 


Old Coot

Fight a risk for once Floyd… You’ve already ducked a smaller guy name Paquiao… So to make up, man up and move up with El Cinnamon.

Posted May 11, 2013 2:37 pm 


Old Coot

Hmm… Come to think… For once I’d like to see Mayweather fight somebody besides Judah, who is close to his speed, and who would be a real challenge. Or… A’HEM!- ONE particular, smaller, opponent with Floyd’s speed or MORE, known as Pacman. Or Floyd could just move up one weight class, JUST ONE, and defend his title against the likes of Alvarez, like nearly every other superstar below heavyweight has done. Hell, even Cotto who is smaller and of course slower than Floyd, moved up permanently, with success, but still lost his Light Middle Weight title to Floyd, who truth be told, is more the true LMW than Cotto. But now Floyd won’t even try to defend LMW title. Not once.

Now I know soon enough somebody will read that and retort with- “Hey stupid… Pacquiao never defended the title he won from Margarito”… Which is accurate… However, truth be told, Pacman is more of natural Light Welter Weight, who should barely be fighting at Welter Weight, much less should have been fighting that monster Margarito for a LMW title… Hell, Floyd himself passed ducked repeated challenges at WW from Margarito years ago. However Pacquiao manned up beat Margo, albeit at a high physical toll!

But, for years now and in particular at present, unlike Pacman, Money May is more than big enough to face Alvarez at LMW.

Posted May 11, 2013 2:32 pm 


SREDMOND

Marquez is not close to the fighter Floyd is and I consider him the second best technical fighter in the sport..I have the DEEPEST admiration for Marquez but his level of ineptness and total lack of desire to have a repeat of that humiliation underscore Floyd’s VAST superiority… Marquez competed on even terms with the fighter of the decade and ATG Manny Pacquaio 3 times then brutally knocked him out the 4th time at full WW… Meanwhile there could have been 2 Marquez’s in that ring and they would have lost 8-4… Floyd was 4x faster than JMM who was swinging at air…Marquez is about to fight at 147 again and despite the economic potential the LAST guy he wants to see is DON MAYWEATHER… Smart move JMM

Posted May 11, 2013 2:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Tommy Hearns was an amazing ATG and he also got knocked out in his prime by two of the best guys he fought… Tommy’s legs were one of his weakness even at his best.. His length would have changed Floyds game some but FMJ could compete with anyone..

Posted May 11, 2013 2:22 pm 


terror tim

“I think Mayweather should tell Canelo if he wants the fight he has to do it at 147, and if he doesn’t want to agree to that then he needs to move on with his career because there’s no deal.” Great than you can put down another prime fighter Mayweather won’t fight.

Posted May 11, 2013 2:19 pm 


terror tim

This writer has never had to make weight otherwise he wouldn’t ask such a thing. Why would Canelo risk his zero to go down? He is one of the next starts and a bad performance hurts him as much. One thing i have respected about Mayweather is he hasn’t tried to drain his opponent via weight. Fight at 154.

Posted May 11, 2013 2:16 pm 


te tumbo

“Actually, . . . I think that was an incrediblyt embarassing loss that Marquez suffered” but it could’ve been worse. it could have also been brutal; punishing; merciless. Floyd was content to capitalize on Marquez’s non-stop aggression and used his size advantage to essentially place his palm on Marquez’s forehead and pot-shot him to distraction for a decisive UD win. in terms of physical advantage, it was a 14-year-old chasing a 21-year-old. all else being equal with a talent edge to Mayweather.

Posted May 11, 2013 2:03 pm 


forreal

Canelo is only 22;he still growing and it would be very difficult for him to make WW,heck,i dare say he will be making the jump to full middleweight very soon.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:47 pm 


Edgar Guevara

Great writers don’t write to defend a fighter or protect a fighter. A writer motivates a fight to happen. Mayweather has won two fight at 154, Canelo is not a real Jr middleweight. He hasn’t fought anyone caliber Mayweather. I don’t care how much he weights for the fight Mayweather is a stronger, smarter, skillfull, elusive, fighter. Mayweather-Canelo has the best attraction since Mayweather-DLH this fight would bring more recognition, more money, a superfight extravaganza for Mayweather. Since both they just fought this fight should happen in November for a good rest.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:26 pm 


Happyboy

Good quote about Mayweather: ” Boring is a matter of opinion, winning is a matter of fact” Floyd makes no excuses about fighting for himself and his loved ones.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:25 pm 


Happyboy

Hidalgo – so that’s why Pacman kept on asking for those catchweights, thanks for the explanation. Well regarding Floyd vs JMM, the dude has a tendency to embarass HOFmers and very good boxers.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:14 pm 


Hidalgo

Same thing goes for Pac/Mosley fight. Mosley didn’t really want to fight him. That’s why he ran away the whole fight.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:12 pm 


Hidalgo

Happyboy, the Pac/DLH fight should never have happened. DLH hadn’t fought as a welterweight in years and he paid the price for it. He was fighting on his name and Pac was fighting a name only–not a viable welterweight contender. I give little cred to Pac for that fight. I give even less cred to DLH for thinking Pac wouldn’t waste him like he did.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:11 pm 


Hidalgo

SRedmond, IMO even if Floyd fought Canelo at 154 with no weight limitations imposed, he would still beat Alvarez. Floyd would want Canelo to come down to 147 or have a rehydration limit only to limit and/or drastically reduce Canelo’s power. Floyd would have no problems outboxing Alvarez. His problem would be Alvarez’s power. So he wants to avoid that at all costs because Alvarez’s power is what could Floyd. Not his boxing skills.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:10 pm 


Happyboy

Hidalgo – kinda makes you wonder at what level was ODH and Mosley were when Pac faught them especially Oscar who had to make a weight he hadn’t done in over a decade.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:09 pm 


Hidalgo

“i think he could’ve really broken away and embarassed him if he had wanted too.” Actually, te tumbo, I think that was an incrediblyt embarassing loss that Marquez suffered. Floyd totally dominated him. But Juan didn’t train right for that fight, he wasn’t in the best physical condition possible, and he forgot his fight game–counterpunching–instead chasing Floyd around the ring. Floyd frustrated him so badly, Marquez let all his years of boxing knowledge fly into the wind and they were blown away. By Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Some of you guys are only Ok with one result, a Mayweather loss.. If he beats Canelos ass at 154 are we gonna hear the Gonzos and Jason’s or the world call him Great??? Of course NOT they will keep pushing the envelope because times on their side and Floyds 36 and only getting older… Mayweather is the Lord of boxing so he should just do what he wants at this point it’s obvious his detractors cannot be satisfied unless he gets pile drived like Pacquaio..

Posted May 11, 2013 1:04 pm 


Hidalgo

Excuse me, Mosley won his first welterweight title in 2000–five years before Mayweather started fighting as a welterweight.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:02 pm 


Roy Andrews

Canelo should not fight at 147 as he will be dead on his feet at that weight, and will not be able to put up an exiting fight, Mayweather can be comfortable at 154 and the fans can see a good fight whoever wins.

Posted May 11, 2013 1:00 pm 


Hidalgo

“ODH, Mosley ducked him when all 3 were at their peaks ”

Wrong. Mosley was a welterweight champ 8 years before Floyd even starting boxing as a welterweight. Floyd didn’t even have a welterweight fight until he took the title from Arturo Gatti in 2005. Mosley had lost his welterweight title to Forrest in 2002. He moved up to light middleweight after that. Mosley won another welterweight title when he fought Margarito but he was nowhere near his prime when that fight happened. De la Hoya was in his prime in the late 90′s early 2000′s when he fought as a welterweight. He was way past his prime and over the hill when Mayweather fought him in 2007 as a jr. middleweight.

Posted May 11, 2013 12:59 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, i gave Marquez two rounds of his bout v. Mayweather. in fact, i felt momentum was in his favor until he offended Floyd by landing a sharp right. at which point, Mayweather executed his now familiar M.O. of exploiting absolutely every single opening his opponent gives him from the protection of a tight and elusive defense, i.e., Floyd was being respectful of Marquez. i think he could’ve really broken away and embarassed him if he had wanted too.

Posted May 11, 2013 12:58 pm 


te tumbo

i didn’t think it was possible, but Redmond has just proven me wrong: it IS(?!) possible to overestimate Mayweather. it was size not skill that ultimately foiled Marquez. otherwise, Marquez’s chances to defeat Mayweather rise dramatically if they had met at 135lbs. Btw, Canelo is not “slow assed”. IMO, he dominated Trout no less than Mayweather did Guerrero and in virtually the same fashion with the addition of explosive firepower. Canelo is apparently only second to Mayweather when it comes to power pot-shotting.

Posted May 11, 2013 12:53 pm 


Hidalgo

“Yes Jason, Hearns would’ve put Floyd in a body bag and buried him in a big pile of steaming turd where he belongs. lolol”

Floyd would have had serious problems with long, lanky, lighting fast, powerful Tommy Hearns. Floyd has never fought anybody like that.

Posted May 11, 2013 12:44 pm 


TARK

If you want to KILL this fight demand that Canelo makes 147… That’s incredibly STUPID, given the fact that Canelo is the biggest man Floyd will have ever fought and would have to cut off an arm to make 147. Floyd fought very successfully at 154, winning 2 of his many World Championships. So asking Canelo to come to welterweight is like asking a cow to produce goat’s milk.

Mayweather is willing to fight Canelo at 154—but I suspect the weight of both fighters going into the ring will be negotiated to be no more than 161 or so. Floyd will probably enter the ring at no more than 149. Floyd doesn’t mind fighting middleweights, such as Victor Ortiz, masquerading as welterweights—but he doesn’t want to fight light heavyweights masquerading as 154-pounders. A lighter entering-the-ring weight might give Canelo more energy and endurance in the late rounds because he’ll have to train down much finer and won’t be as fatigued from making weight.

It’s going to be the toughest fight of either fighter’s career. This Cinnamon Kid is smart … this kid is big, strong, and fast … this kid is skilled … and this kid can punch. I would make Floyd an 8-5 favorite depending on what kind of camp they’re both having, but I hope bettors push the odds out of whack. Fanatical Canelo fans might drive things his way, as happened in the first Tyson-Holyfield fight—or Floyd’s reputation as a flawless master could restrain Canelo bettors while Floyd backers go giddy. The best odds could be within 4 hours of the fight if one side or the other becomes unglued.

Posted May 11, 2013 12:36 pm 


te tumbo

i’ll tell you one thing though: Canelo may be overestimating himself but he isn’t underestimating Mayweather. Floyd’s evident greatness is his primary appeal for Canelo. handing Mayweather his first loss immedately following his dominant wins over Guerrero and Cotto would put Canelo in Sal Sanchez territory. Martinez and enduring fortune and ring-glory would certainly follow. at least that’s the glorious scenario unfolding in Canelo’s mind. too bad that it’s the Mayweather who just dominated Guerrero who stands in his way.

Posted May 11, 2013 12:29 pm 


Old Coot

WHAT?! LOL!… It is funny as H-E-double hockey stix, that some to the SAME know-it-alls who SO complained about Pacquiao making people fight in so-called “catch-weights”, now want to force Canelo to just skip right past the catch-weight, all together, and drop all the way down to Floyd’s comfort zone at 147lbs. In my book, that is some seriously revealing hypocrisy on Mayweather fans’ part. Because truth be told, Floyd Jr. should have moved up to LMW, like 2 years ago!… And since when does a bright young contender move down to fight early in their careers, even before he’s really had a chance to secure a legacy? Especially against a seasoned Hall of Fame superstar like Mayweather, who should be able to school this “kid” on any level!

Posted May 11, 2013 12:25 pm 


Happyboy

Someone please let me know what was the deal with Aaron Pryor and SRL not fighting?

Posted May 11, 2013 12:22 pm 


Happyboy

Gonzo – Leonard ducked Michael Nunn, Julian Jackson and Mike McCallum, Hagler is most famous for fights against WW ( Hearns, Duran & Leonard ) the rest of those MW are not highly rated. I believe the Hitman would have given Floyd fits with his height, speed, jab and that thunderous straight right hand but will never know. Floyd Mayweather right now is the best of his generation. ODH, Mosley ducked him when all 3 were at their peaks and Floyd later caught up to them and handed them their well deserved losses. Cotto was with Top Rank and gave us that ol ” ask my promoter” bs like Pac has been doing for years but soon got his as soon as he left Top Stink, at his most comfortable weight, coming off a win vs that cheater Margarito while Floyd was two years older than him. Like him or not Mayweather is GOAT, ATG, HOF, I don’t know of any boxer who has managed to stay unbeaten over 5 divisions, with 50% of his fights as title fights, with a resume of having beaten 10/11 world champions in a row, 4 HOFmers, 6 multiple division champions and still #1P4P champion after 16yrs in the business. Which sportman negotiates $250M deal at 36yrs of age? Only Mayweather. You may not respect Mayweather now but when it’s all said and done, the dude took the game to another level with record PPV numbers yet you still doubt him. His so damn good fans consider matching him up against MW as the only possible test for him at his advanced age of 36.

Posted May 11, 2013 12:16 pm 


Martin “El Bruchador” Honorio

To answer the authors question— because thats the only way Alvarez can win against Mayweather. Can u imagine if they are in the same weight “147″? Do you think Alvarez had a chance against Mayweather? Hell, when i think about it– even if they fought at 154, i dont think he will win against Mayweather. Oh course, it will be again a very boring fight, coz Floyd will potshot him until the end.

Posted May 11, 2013 12:04 pm 


jason

redmond – i agree with you ward though, he is a supreme technician, not everyones cup of tea.. but a cut above the rest no doubt. mayweather vs ward (if they were the same weight) would be a very interesting chess match type fight… obviouly cant happen, but two very clever boxers..

Posted May 11, 2013 11:42 am 


Gonzo of Nazareth

Duran beat a prime Leonard, went the distance against a prime Hagler, and got knocked out by the kind of right hand bomb from a prime Hearns that comes along once ever 2000 years. Floyd would not have fought any of those guys. Fact

Posted May 11, 2013 11:38 am 


jason

hahahaha

Posted May 11, 2013 11:36 am 


jason

happyboy – i understand where you coming from.. but i think personally the champions should just fight each other.. if he cant fight a fellow belt holder at the same weight without extra stipulations then there is something wrong with that picture… Personally, i think the only chance canelo has, and its still a small chance, is by having the size advantage, as in the skills department its not even close… so as a fan, i wanna see the fight with no clauses.. besides if floyd wins, then no one can deny him a place at the very top table of boxing greats.. and for the record, i think he wins, comfortably.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:35 am 


Gonzo of Nazareth

Yes Jason, Hearns would’ve put Floyd in a body bag and buried him in a big pile of steaming turd where he belongs. lolol

Posted May 11, 2013 11:35 am 


Beno

Duran got knocked out against Hearns, Hagler, and retired against Leonard!

Posted May 11, 2013 11:32 am 


jason

gonzo – solid points mate… although, i will say floyd is unbelievably talented, the best ive ever seen live… But i reckon styles makes fights, and hearns would have had him, for sure he would have tagged him, and if mosley can wobble him, hearns would have put him to sleep.. But hey just my opinion..

Posted May 11, 2013 11:30 am 


Happyboy

Jason – but we must be reasonable not driven by silly motives and emotions. 154lbs is reasonable as Floyd has done that with Cotto n ODH but 172lbs is a bit too high but rehydration clause to 160lbs should take care of that. Canelo will want more than the $3M Guerrero and he probably does deserve more so $5-6M offer should be good enough. This fight will do 2M PPV I believe.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:28 am 


jason

all this talk about clauses etc etc.. why ? the rules are the rules, floyd is a junior middle champion as is canelo… you dont change the rules to suit floyd… if he is the GOAT or close to it.. man up and take the challenge… whats the problem?? if he doenst fancy it, ok, just say it, he’s too big for me, and move on.. i’d respect him more for that.. They cant really do catchweight, because he has just won a major belt at the weight.. you can’t have you cake and eat it

Posted May 11, 2013 11:26 am 


Hidalgo

And, putting a “rehydration limit” on Canelo is also unfair BS. Might as well fight at 147. It’s very hard to rehydrate to a specific and substantial lower weight on fight night. That imposes a great physical disadvantage on the boxer who has to do that. Canelo rehydrates naturally to around 170 but you want him to “control” that rehydration? That’s called giving a big edge to Mayweather. If I was Canelo, I say “no dice” to that. Dropping down to 147 or having a rehydration limit serve the same purpose: weakening Canelo. Screw that. Floyd just fight at 147.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:20 am 


jason

XXX – well then m8, i think you answered the question, he obviously cant make the weight.. i think maybe you are the stupid one

Posted May 11, 2013 11:20 am 


jason

redmond – you tool .. i dont care. i just wanna see the best push themselves.. what are you, his f**ling brother or something ?? too much man love… hahaha

Posted May 11, 2013 11:16 am 


Happyboy

Typo : 172lbs is LHW, damn the boy is big, he should be challenging Maravilla, GGG and SOG but I still say the fight can be made @154lbs with a rehydration clause.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:15 am 


jason

redmond – your talking utter crap, did you not see the fight, and if he was only few pound heavier.. why refuse the unofficial weigh in.. your argument has no sense.. he purposely made sure he had a significant weight advantage… if you remove your man love a little bit you would see this… all your argument are based on pure speculation .. of you might think he weighed… but the fact is, is that nobody knows except floyd … and if you actually watch the fight, there was a significant size advantage, as all commentators also noted, which is far more conclusive than what he has weighed before, especially since it was clear that he purposely failed the weight. hence, for me that fight cannot be used as a measure of how good he is… why i say this, because your harping on about how unfair it would be against canelo in terms of size and how we would complain if floyd had a size advantage, and also poor floyd blah blah blah… when i think it would be good to see the man really push himself… and im a fan of no one , i jist like to see the best of the best push themselves.. you sound more concerned about floyd losing than he does.. too much man love there mate

Posted May 11, 2013 11:15 am 


SREDMOND

Just because a fighter dominates his weight class it does not mean he is obligated to keep fighting bigger men till he loses… Dolts like Jason seem ignorant to the FACT that Floyd started at 130 and has won World Championships up to 154, that’s 5 divisions if 147 is his best weight at 36, that’s his perogative… Some of the great fighters in history dominated far fewer divisions than FMJ, Sugar Ray Robinson, Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins… NONE of these guys are Champs in even 3 weights… The Great Roy Jones Jr did 4 divisions ONE shy of Mayweather… How many has Canelo done? And is his pattern to now alternate between WW’s his bread and butter at 154 where even Trout called him “big for the weight” facing guys like Lopez, Cintron, Hatton, Gomez and Jose Miguel Cotto? Or going after Cotto on the heels of 2 losses in a row he booked? But then again he fought Shane Mosley after Sugar had looked pathetic and had not booked a “W” in 3 contests?? I like Alvarez, but he’s not a Great fighter by any stretch, he’s very good, young and strong… He’s not even close to Andre Wards league, Ward has dominated 168 against the best bodies around meanwhile Canelo is becoming ANOTHER fighter basing his future on an aging Mayweather who’s gonna easily school him for the paycheck….

Posted May 11, 2013 11:08 am 


Beno

@ Truth I totally agree with you. @ zurdo40 Cotto and DHL where actually Blown up welterweights. Canelo is a bonafide Middleweight struggling to make Jr MW. For crying out loud dude came in at 172lbs against Trout! That’s Light Heavyweight my friend.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:07 am 


XXX

Allot of idiots on this Form.. How is this form bias ? because its not bashing Floyd?
The truth is Alverz inter the ring at 171 floyd fighting at 154 steps in the ring weighing 149 to 150.. Thats a 20 to 20lb difference. Are you guys dumb stupid or slow when it comes to math.

Alverez may be competing at 154 but he’s inters the ring as a Lt Heavy weight its that freaking simple.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:06 am 


word

Bias? He’s quoting Robert Garcia, one of the BEST trainers out there right now who also boxed unlike most of us pathetic fans. Canelo is simply too big and don’t tell me you opinion matters more than Robert Garcia. YDKSAB!

Posted May 11, 2013 11:04 am 


Hidalgo

Alvarez fights as a jr. middleweight and that’s where he should stay. He would be a fool to drop to 147 to fight Mayweather. Mayweather should stay at 147 and quit going up to 154. Who cares?? There’s enough good and great competition at 147 to keep Mayweather plenty busy, and rich, for his next five fights.

Posted May 11, 2013 11:03 am 


KING

The question should be reversed: Why doesn’t Floyd fight Canelo at 154? The writer seems to forget Mayweather fought at Light Middleweight in 2012 against Cotto and won the belt. Why can’t “Money May” face Alvarez a year later at that weight? Give me a reasonable answer!

Posted May 11, 2013 11:03 am 


Hidalgo

““Canelo” Alvarez wants and needs a fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0, 26 KO’s) in order for Canelo to transition from being just a regular Showtime fighter to a pay per view fighter.” Hogwash!

Posted May 11, 2013 10:59 am 


Truth

I have the answer: They should fight at 154, but the weigh in should take place 12 hours before the fight instead of 24, that weight Canelo only rehydrates a few pounds…. Boxing should go back to day of the fight weigh ins. If the fight is scheduled at 9:00pm Pacific time, they should way in at 9:00am.

Posted May 11, 2013 10:26 am 


MILLER

The welters seems to be lacking in talent. Must be one of the worst eras for it in history, isn’t that what the Klitchko haters say about the Heavies?

Posted May 11, 2013 10:25 am 


Neils

Seriously you Mayweather fan boys are pathetic. What a horrendously bias article. If this fight was made. It would be huge and great for the sport. But you lot would like to see our sports biggest star fight lightweights for the rest of his career. Call your self boxing fans? Don’t make me laugh. Imagine if Tiger or Rodger were never to take part in a major again. Just wouldn’t happen.

Posted May 11, 2013 10:21 am 


jason

people saying that he is too big and all that.. they sound just as scared as mayweather himself, of him losing… are u boxing fans or not? or just fan boys… do you not want to see the best fighter of our generation (and possibly any other) test himself to the limit?? It makes no sense… there is no one below junior middle who can touch him anymore, what with pac, pretty much done and dusted… and in all honesty, he would have probably got schooled as well..

Posted May 11, 2013 10:04 am 


jason

and the headline, why don’t they fight at 147… well alvarez is a junior middle, and mayweather has recently won a belt at the weight, its a stupid question, why would they… :/

Posted May 11, 2013 9:59 am 


jason

sredmaond – what you mean like against marquez .. where he refused the unofficial weigh in after failing to make weight.. and anyone with objective eyes can see that he was a good 12 pounds heavier all day long… and marquez’s first words after were, he was too big….

Posted May 11, 2013 9:57 am 


pugfan

keep in mind that DLH,GUERRERO,AND MARQUEZ were past their primes ,while Canelo has not even peaked yet.

Posted May 11, 2013 9:46 am 


Public Enemy

Canelo won’t fight floyd unless he’s allowed to skip any Random Blood Testing and allowed to enter the Ring a Super Middleweight.. in a Fair fight he gets his Asskicked silly by Floyd like DLH, Gurerreo and Marquez did…

Posted May 11, 2013 9:31 am 


Anonymous

Whoever wrote this is delusional. The unified champion who’s packing 60,000 people into stadia aged 22 needs to step up to be a pay-per-view fighter? Really? You Americans must be blessed with a lot of free boxing then because there’s hardly 2 fighters alive today more pay-per-view than Canelo.

Posted May 11, 2013 9:08 am 


Public Enemy

Canelos saftest bet would be to fight the naturally smaller older worn Cotto but even Cotto, considering how badly Canelo looked vs trout would be a dangerous opponent.. If Canelo runs out of Gas in the 5th like he did vs Trout gasping for air against the Ropes helpless Cotto would take him out like he retired MargaCheato.. Cotto isn’t featherfisted lazy Trout..

Posted May 11, 2013 8:50 am 


Public Enemy

All Floyd has to do to checkmate Cinnabum is agree to the 154lb weight and a 2 pound weight Gain limit fight day and Canelo will still get killed by Floyd… Violate the Gain weight limit and you forfeit your belts and purse… Bingo Bango!

Posted May 11, 2013 8:43 am 


Public Enemy

How is Canelo coming in at an agreed 147lbs any scummier then him coming into 154lb fights weighing over 172+lbs??? If he can come in that heavy against naturally smaller guys then he has to also be able to go down in weight to take on the best like floyd, otherwise he’s just a bonifide Hype Job…

Posted May 11, 2013 8:40 am 


CK

Disadvantage for Floyd if he moves up and disadvantage for Canelo if he moves down. I don’t know if this ever gets made

Posted May 11, 2013 8:32 am 


Anonymous

totally agree with dj daz. PS this author is really a hater and it’s hard to understand why so amateurish writers are allowed to write.

FNormall it’s floyd mayweather that picks smaller fighters.
Floyd have fought in jmw div and why not take on the best 154 pounder

Posted May 11, 2013 8:26 am 


Gonzo of Nazareth

Edit> or FLoyd

Posted May 11, 2013 7:46 am 


Gonzo of Nazareth

They also hate dirty fighters too, just as long as they’re not named Hopkins, Ward, Of Floyd. lololl

Posted May 11, 2013 7:41 am 


Gonzo of Nazareth

Floyd fans ”hate catch weights” remember. Just like they hate PED abusers too, unless that is they’re named Jones, Toney, Mosley, Holyfield, Peterson, Tarver, Berto, Bey etc. .. anyone see a pattern here? lololol

Posted May 11, 2013 7:40 am 


Gonzo of Nazareth

What do you think the gap in weight was between blown up light weight Duran and Barkley? Duran was a blown up lightweight, nearly 40 years old, way past his prime, had over 90 fights and been involved in more wars than the British army, and was facing a fearsome punching cold-blooded killing machine boiled down cruiserweight who was smack bang in the middle of his prime. But the ”greatest of all times” is reluctant to jump up to a division he’s already fought at before and taken on a prepubescent Mexican who’s nowhere near his prime. lololol

Posted May 11, 2013 7:33 am 


Max Emiliano, Advocate for abused women

Canelo at 147 pounds is worst than catchweight, I thought Floyd fought his opponent in their comfortable weight. Margarito out weighted Pacquiao by 17 pounds, it doesn’t make difference in the fight.

Posted May 11, 2013 7:28 am 


Proud African

Mayweather will slap him silly.

Posted May 11, 2013 7:27 am 


SREDMOND

Trout aside the knock on Canelo has been the reality that he has not faced that many legit 154 pounders and now the names I’m hearing are Cotto and Mayweather? I like Canelo but he should be aware that Lopez, Hatton, Cintron, Gomez and others who were best at 147 are not helping his case, face it he’s unusually dense for the weight class 172?? That’s crazy

Posted May 11, 2013 6:59 am 


SREDMOND

Anyone at least NOT acknowledging the MASSIVE gap in weight fight night between FMJ and Canelo is just being dishonest… How this gets worked out remains to be seen but the truth be told, it’s a lot to ask the 36 year old to spot a kid 20 or more pounds in the ring, size is literally Canelos only shot, I doubt Floyd would push for him to comedown to 147 so it will be interesting anyway you look at it Floyd will prevail, he’s on another level…And the author is right about one thing, Canelos win over Trout was not some sort of domination, Mayweather was 10 times more convincing against Guerrero… Canelo won but that was a close fight for a number of reasons….

Posted May 11, 2013 6:55 am 


Exiled Yank

I don’t think Canelo can shed 7 more pounds to make WW.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:44 am 


MILLER

I don’t see it happening with these factors involved.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:31 am 


Quemero

Because he will gt beaten easily by Floyd.

Posted May 11, 2013 6:00 am 


MAGOMED ABDUSALAMOV

why don’t the little twerp alvarez fight Triple G at 154 instead of calling out welterweights

Posted May 11, 2013 5:59 am 


KOrnerman

Sorby you suck, Canelo dont have to do nothing you fool, he fights 50/50 fights, Floyd does not, nuf said.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:43 am 


Ghost

Canelo is already a huge draw he will be a star as long as he keeps winning. I don’t see anyway he drops down to 154 why would he Floyd has fought already at 154 there is no need to drop down.

Posted May 11, 2013 5:34 am 


Dan

The bias is strong in this author…

Posted May 11, 2013 4:16 am 


Haimat

Still, money talks and I bet we’ll see Money-Canelo at 147 which is ridiculous to everybody that knows their boxing.

Posted May 11, 2013 4:11 am 


Haimat

This is one of the more hateful pieces on ESB. Sorby is genuinely angry at Canelo for wanting to fight the p4p king at the lowest weight he can be possibly be competitive at which is 154 lbs. Boiling down to a weight 7 lbs lower than he’s been in adult life does not give us a competitive fight. It might be dangerous to lose that kind of weight. Boiling down is much harder than going up in weight. Look at Dawson fighting Ward and De La Hoya fighting Pacquiao.
The comparison with cruiser weights is ludicrous. Alvarez is a solid light MW. He weighed less than his opponent on fight night against Trout right? Why would anyone remotely familiar with boxing compare him to cruiser weights?

Posted May 11, 2013 4:05 am 


Ghost

Canelo is to young for Floyd, it would be a big mistake to take this fight anywhere within a year. Get Canelo two more fights another year to grow an he will atleast put up a challenge. 22 years old is to young to fight one of the greatest fighters to ever live, his ppl should protect him an not worry about the insane huge payday it will bring.

Posted May 11, 2013 3:18 am 


murderman

I think the foght will happen at 147. If canelo really wants the fight he will come down in weight

Posted May 11, 2013 3:04 am 



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