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Shane

Canelo destroys Floyd on Saturday, rest baby

Posted September 9, 2013 4:54 pm 


murderman

Floyd offer pac 40 mil flat. Pac even admitted that to 1st take’s stephen a smith during their interview and yiou can youtube that. Pac declined. Now did pac deserve a bigger cut? Sure! But i guess floyd felt if pac can fight jmm for 20 than 40 is more than enough. Pac isnt scared of may. May isnt scared of pac. But neither side will budge in their negotiations so thats the real reason no fight. Floyd is greedy and want the lion share of the purse all the time! But when you are the man you can do that i guess. But anyway that’s whats up.

Posted May 27, 2013 5:52 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Sredmond wrote ‘We know (canelo)he is bursting at the seams and is barely making 154′… And all this time sredmond said is nothing wrong that mayweather asked him to drop at 147 since he said ‘canelo fought before at 147′ and knowing very well Canelo can’t possibly make the weight as he said himself in that post …” Outstanding job of calling SREDMOND out on his illogical and twisted pro-Floyd propaganda, which is, of course, total B.S.!

Posted May 27, 2013 4:51 pm 


Happyboy

Ranger – yeah or maybe we should ask Cotto, Mosley, Marquez & ODH what award we should give Floyd since they atleast stepped in the ring with him, I’m pretty sure they wud cum up with a fair assesment of the mans skillset and an appropriate award to give.

Posted May 27, 2013 2:58 pm 


DaKing

finally someone tells the truth

Posted May 27, 2013 10:44 am 


RANGER

MAYWEATHER MUST BE GIVEN A MOST COWARDISE AWARD FOR FIGHTING

Posted May 27, 2013 5:20 am 


Adrian

Sredmond wrote”We know (canelo)he is bursting at the seams and is barely making 154″

And all this time sredmond said is nothing wrong that mayweather asked him to drop at 147 since he said “caneko fought before at 147″ and knowing very well Canelo can’t possibly make the weight as he said himself in that post …
What is the truth sredmond? Is mayweather trying to avoid the fight by asking the impossible or you think is posible for Canelo to make the weight and fight mayweather comfortably at. Ww?

Posted May 27, 2013 2:07 am 


SREDMOND

Canelo does NOT have better skills than anyone Floyd faced that’s crazy… Everyone looks good against has beens like Mosley undersized fighters like Josesito Lopez and scrubs like Matthew Hatton… Austin Trouts not a huge name beyond Cotto he brings nothing else to the table when it comes to competition…You are insane trying to sell 22 year old Canelo as a better fighter than Oscar, no sane fan is gonna consign that…

Posted May 27, 2013 1:58 am 


SREDMOND

Canelo is NOT the most dominant fighter at 154 Tark, he’s the biggest name… Besides Trout he has NOT beat a single prime time 154 pounder… He’s no Andre Ward that massacred the best of the division…Canelo has NOT fought Angulo, Kirkland, Lara or even a Vanes type… He’s dominated guys with NO CACHE AT 154 absent Austin Trout who YOU admit he did not dominate…Canelos record is the classic record of a YOUNG fighter it’s largely padded he just won his FIRST step up fight….Canelo and Broner are up for review for quite awhile, Donaire was a 4 weight Champ and he was knocking out everyone now he got outboxed by Rigondeaux which shocked me.. Donaire is way more vetted than Canelo who was brought along slow so yes if he got taken I would not be that shocked.. I sure did NOT see an unbeatable fighter against Trout…

Posted May 27, 2013 1:51 am 


SREDMOND

Canelo, had been matched with a number of smaller fighters and this gripe predates the Mayweather possibility getting to this point.. He’s a young fighter do there is some natural grooming but it’s time to move forward… We know he is bursting at the seams and is barely making 154, his career needs to be focused on legit guys at 154 or above… Of he’s SOOO gung Ho about fighting Mayweather tell him to cut off an arm and make the fight… His dream of being 172 against a guy who’s 150 is not gonna pan out..

Posted May 27, 2013 1:41 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Oh, so now Ward is trying to fight a champion (Canelo) at TWO WEIGHT CLASSES BELOW his own??? WTF! If that’s true, I just lost all respect for him. If Ward wants to start picking on smaller fighters, he can start with Maravilla and Triple G — who has already publicly called him out. Ward has responded to GGG’s challenge with silence.

Posted May 27, 2013 1:39 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

SREDMOND said: “… yeah Canelo has become KNOWN for chasing WW’S…”
Oh, please spare us the B.S. propaganda already. He’s not anymore known than Floyd is INFAMOUS for cherry-picking FWs, LWs and washed-up champions WAY past their primes. And you know it’s true, but you’re not capable of being honest.

Posted May 27, 2013 1:13 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Ward has come out and SAID he wants a Fight in September. Canelo can turn that into a Big PPV in Vegas OR Texas. I’d take Ward by lopsided UD.

Posted May 26, 2013 10:06 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

And IF its not impossible then lets see Canelo vs. Ward. Ward outweighs Canelo by LESS than 20 lbs on Fight night. Don’t BE a HYPOCRITE.

Posted May 26, 2013 10:05 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

CORRECTION….an impossible task….

Posted May 26, 2013 10:04 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Don’t let them SUCKER you into a impossible task. Ray Robinson couldn’t even beat a #0 P4P Fighter when outweighed by more than 20 lbs.

Posted May 26, 2013 10:03 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Canelo will come in over 20 lbs heavier than Mayweather on Fight night IF the Fight is made with NO restrictions. The last guy to give UP more than 20 lbs to a Top 10 P4P Fighter got knocked out. (Ali vs. Foster)….SO I advise Floyd to give Canelo a rehydration clause. Really Floyd is not powerful enough and fast with 10 oz gloves SO he needs a glove exception put in TOO like Leonard DID vs. Hagler….Either they both wear 8 oz gloves OR let Floyd wear 8 oz gloves and Canelo can keep his 10 oz gloves. IF they don’t want to let Floyd be at his BEST with 8 oz gloves and not outweighed by more than 20 lbs vs. a Top 10 P4P Fighter on Fight night then Floyd should remain at 147 take it or leave it.

Posted May 26, 2013 10:01 pm 


Edgar Guevara

I hope Mayweather makes this fight happen. It will silence everyone. Canelo doesn’t show much more than Mayweather. Age is everything Canelo has against Mayweather. This is the fight that needs to happen.

Posted May 26, 2013 9:47 pm 


TARK

I meant the most talked about Mayweather fight today… Not of all time… There is nothing signed and sealed yet… So there’s no real hype yet.. But there will be if the fight goes ahead.. It’ll be a blockbuster to end all blockbusters.

Posted May 26, 2013 9:38 pm 


TARK

Sred sez…., “The odds say that Canelos gonna be just another guy” …. Right!!! The most talked about and most competitive fighter in Floyd Mayweather’s entire history of opponents is “just another guy” to you.. There’s a reason Mayweather vs Alvarez is the hottest fight in Boxing — and could break all PPV records going back throughout Boxing History.. There is a very good reeaon Floyd is reluctant to fight Canelo at 154 like he was VERY READY to do vs Cotto and DLH.. Canelo is bigger, faster, stronger, younger, harder punching and more skilled than those 2 men so Floyd is reluctant to fight him.

Forget Canelo’s undefeated record for a second.. Forget that at only 22 years of age he’s the most dominant fighter in the world at 154.. Forget that fans love the kid.. Just watch Canelo FIGHT!!! He has better skills than anyone Floyd ever faced at 154.. He had better weapons than anybody Floyd ever faced at 154.. This kid is bad news for Floyd and Floyd may be too scared to fight him … We’ll see. I certainly hope not. Floyd has taken risks before—fighting ATG Miguel Cotto at 154 — so I’m not saying for sure Floyd will duck Canelo.

Posted May 26, 2013 9:36 pm 


Hangman

All you need to know is that Reni is from the Phillipines, has written 50 PacqUiao articles and even has MP’s picture on his cover of his articles written. Enough said!!
Exposed Pactard at it’s finest

Posted May 26, 2013 8:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, I’m a HUGE Cotto fan but he’s a HOFer NOT an ATG and Trout was the 4th guy to beat him NOT the first and his win is adjusted downward because he got him direct off a loss.. Just like Canelo will get even LESS credit of he beats him coming off 2 losses as a backup to Mayweather… The odds say that Canelos gonna be just another guy, greatness is proven over time… You DARED to try and sell N’dou, Cintron and a DEAD version of Shane Mosley who did not even try to win against PAC… And rightfully retired post Canelo only to eke out a win against a guy the super faded Morales was able to stop…

Posted May 26, 2013 8:01 pm 


B Red

Anonymous, shut up you jock sniffer

Posted May 26, 2013 7:36 pm 


TARK

Ernie Enema Soup Slurper is a CERTIFIED whack job.

Posted May 26, 2013 6:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather has to monitor “the peaks” of every fighter which of course the lose when they lose.. That said Ward and Floyd are the ONLY “peak elites” around I guess… Retire I guess huh?? Pure sillines

Posted May 26, 2013 5:51 pm 


Martin

Sredmond needs a reality rehab.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:51 pm 


TARK

Sredmond sez…, “Oscar De La Hoya fought 15 legends of the sport.” LMFAO, 15 LEGENDS??? Hopkins, Mosley, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Trinidad, Whitaker, Chavez, and Gatti all qualify as legends. That’s eight (8) not fifteen (15) legends — But Oscar has six (6) losses and ZERO (0) wins over PRIME ATG’s.

De La Hoya fans claim Whitaker was a prime ATG. NOPE!!! Whitaker fought very poorly in the 3 fights before he met Oscar. Pernell NEVER won another fight after he signed to fight Oscar—his record was 0-3 with 1 NC. That tells me Sweet Pea was one done doggie—as were Gatti and Chavez.

The Austin Trout who mastered ATG Miguel Cotto was a stronger and craftier boxer than Trinidad, Pacquiao, or Gatti.. Trout is at least on a par with a prime Mosley. Trout might meet a similar fate versus a 39-year-old Hopkins that Trinidad and De La Hoya suffered—but I doubt it. I think he could go 12. Canelo could go the 12 with an aged Hopkins as well. Canelo is one stage better than DLH. The Cinnamon Kid has the stance, strength, power, hand speed, boxing craft, defense, and tactical skills that De La Hoya could never quite grasp … And Canelo is only 22 … that’s what’s so scary.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:36 pm 


Sloth

He sneakily avoids the fights he should have fought. Just decides to take a 2 yr break when Cotto was at his peak around 2008. Refused to give Pac 50-50 when it was fair at the time. 2 fights with legit threats that the fans wanted and he slithered out of them. GREATEST OF ALL TIME!!!!! LMAO!!!

Posted May 26, 2013 4:42 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

SREDMOND-Check again, that’s not a tick, it’s your sack itself. Your Klitschko comments are classics, but you are borderline whack-job,like Tard…

Posted May 26, 2013 2:07 pm 


KO

OK Sremond, successful and famous for cherry picking then.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:59 pm 


gold

King SKILZ Mayweather is in DA HOUSE!!!! Now they want him to fight a YOUNG 172lb kid that has all the testosterone and YOUNG BUCK energy in the world!!! They’d LOVE for him to be at a DISADVANTAGE to get pummeled by this YOUNG upstart that DOES have trouble with ENDURANCE in the latter half of bouts! Maybe if Canello’d go down in weight – preferably 147 to be about 165 come fight night – to make things somewhat EVEN, then the 151lb older PAST PRIME fighter would be on an EVEN playing field to make the fight!! Just like he wanted with the Filipino Tornado that LIKELY took something to create that 200mph tornado spin!! A SPIN that NEVER seemed to TIRE when VELOCITY INCREASED as the fight wore on!! Why does Rockys wife want Mayweather to lose SOOO bad!? Is it because his winning streak has turned to a thing of ANGER in his heart without being able to understand how this guy could be SOOO successful? Floyd fought 154lb fighters because they would BALANCE out in weight somewhat to give a GOOD fight! Paquiao DID the SAME thing, ALONG with DRAINING opponents for his REIGN*!! I just happen to think, ALONG with MANY others (even in the land of commentating) that Pac was on DRUGS! Its a reasonable assessment & assertion given his ENERGY and ENDURANCE against MUCH bigger guys!! OF COURSE “WE” can be ABSOLUTELY WRONG!, BUT, the RELIGIOUS Pac is TOLD in the BIBLE (A BOOK that SUPPOSEDLY GUIDES his LIFE) to “PROVE ALL THINGS” especially in terms of personal CONSCIOUS and his chosen PUBLIC profession that REQUIRES ACCOUNTABILITY for the MANY YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE kids that simply take him at his word AND his CONDESCENDING REFUSAL to PROVE a LEGITIMATE CHAMP WRONG! – along with the “fans an da people” that he so adoringly BIGS UP all the time!! When Mayweather does not fight a young 147lber then I’ll concur he’s “picking!” UNTIL then, the man aint scared of NO ONE in his weight division!! EVEN his SHIFTY boy FIDDY said so, despite the titles on the youtube titles!! Mayweather DODGED a BULLET against Margarito from those MASONRY gloves AND the BAD relationship with BOB ARUMS TOP RANK!! This AMAZING tool called the “internet” has ALL the PROOF that even states what the PRESIDENT of the Olympic Committee said, when TEAM PAC had been told the stipulations for the fight!! I always stated year after year that Mayweather had a BAD ARROGANT attitude that would EVENTUALLY get him in trouble! It did! NOW he is learning to be more HUMBLE & THANKFUL! YOU HATERS would NEVER CHOOSE to NOTICE THIS, you’d RATHER SEE him FALL!!! SADLY, this will BRING Mayweathers STOCK DOWN, because the public THRIVES on ARROGANCE & IGNORANCE to sell tickets – in order to HELP the the HATE & JEALOUSY they’re NATURALLY BORN with!!!!

Posted May 26, 2013 12:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Had Floyd been knocked out or lost to one if his 43 opponents they would have labeled that boxer a savior or proof positive of Mayweathers talent being a mirage… Had Mosley closed the show in the second round everyone would have called Shane a genius but because Floyd’s competitive response was so aggressive and direct Mosley is treated as a bad opponent by detractors ….. When Cotto was showing very solid craft and made his mark earning Floyd’s respect people treat Cotto like a walkover opponent even though Cotto had only lost to ATG’s and World Champions… Marquez fought the guy presumed to be Floyd’s Kryptonite to a standstill 3x and knocked him out at age 39, meanwhile Floyd making Marquez look inept counts for nothing? Meanwhile JMMs about to fight at WW AGAIN…So only Bradley and Pacquaio in theory would be worthy of praise beating Marquez at 147? By extension this positions Floyd above EVERYONE in the minds of his detractors this their never ending quest to see him splatted… They will wait till he’s 65 in a street fight if that’s what it takes…

Posted May 26, 2013 12:50 pm 


Victor

Yea, he’s “cherry picking.” Yet the writer only names two fighters that he’s “ducked.” Pathetic article

Posted May 26, 2013 12:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Ernie, which are you going to rise above your lowly status as a mere tick on my scrotum?? C’mon man show some craft or entertainment value!!! Meanwhile you were on the Klit threads lauding my posts, makeup your mind Lol!

Posted May 26, 2013 12:17 pm 


SREDMOND

If being “famous in the US” you 15x more successful than the HW Champ who’s about to get his biggest payday if Povetkin does not take a shuttle to Mars then so be it…!!! Highest Paud athlete on planet Earth is Floyd Mayweather you can only feel bad about that if you’re crazy… You’re the standard of comparison and believe that translates into worldwide popularity..because your on the BIGGEST stage… No one cares what goes on in Siberia except Siberians…

Posted May 26, 2013 12:15 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

SREDMOND scribbled to Tard: “solidifies you as an idiot in my mind”.Birds of a feather…

Posted May 26, 2013 11:41 am 


Adrian

Peej you said”PEEJ

“Yes Havoc Pac cherry picks too if you say Floyd is cherry picking plus I can name some fighters he clearly ducked.”

“3rd fight with Morales, 2nd fight with Berrera, Diaz at 135, Velasquez, 3k battery. Did you want me to name more? Would you like me to name fighters he ducked also?”

What do you mean “he ducked” when he fought all those fights you mention that “he ducked”

Posted May 26, 2013 11:21 am 


KO

Famous around the world ? LOL ! Only in U.S., but never ever around the world !

Posted May 26, 2013 10:46 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, comparing a baby career like Canelos to Oscar De La Hoya who fought maybe 15 legends of the sport is pathetic and solidifies you as an idiot in my mind… Austin Trout, Cintron and a DEAD Shane Mosley don’t begin to compare to Oscars standing and accomplishments in the sport… It’s clear you’ve yanked yourself off one time too many looking at a Canelo poster.. Your brains at scrambled, Canelo could get hit by a bus tomorrow and he would be forgotten in 8 months you act like he’s Julio Caesar Chavez… ODH is a first ballot HOFer Canelos a kid…

Posted May 26, 2013 10:23 am 


SREDMOND

Squared Circle, yeah Canelo has become KNOWN for chasing WW’S
Josesito Lopez, Shane Mosley off 3 straight fights with no wins, Matthew Hatton, Alfonso Gomez, Jose Miguel Cotto and now WW Champ Floyd Mayweather… Has FMJ fought 2 fights at 154?? Yes he has, the fight night weight disparity has been noted and it’s being called out.. Essentially Canelo wants the 14 years which are not his fault AND the 20′plus pounds which is a legit point of contention… Floyd has fought 95% of his career 147 and below, if that’s his best weight at 36 he has the right to defend there, if Canelo wants the bout let him step down for a day if not chase Cotto odd 2 straight losses…

Posted May 26, 2013 10:18 am 


PEEJ

3rd fight with Morales, 2nd fight with Berrera, Diaz at 135, Velasquez, 3k battery. Did you want me to name more? Would you like me to name fighters he ducked also?

Posted May 26, 2013 10:13 am 


PEEJ

Yes Havoc Pac cherry picks too if you say Floyd is cherry picking plus I can name some fighters he clearly ducked.

Posted May 26, 2013 10:08 am 


Exiled Yank

Good too see that everyone can remain unbiased as always when talking about FM.

Posted May 26, 2013 8:45 am 


Alonzo

If he ain’t great then why do people pay billions for his fights? Even though he only fights about once every other year now.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:47 am 


Happyboy

He already is great and famous all around the world, dumb ass.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:27 am 


Wut

FMJ is the best right now. I believe its not cherry-picking, but just thinking business. He could beat any of the guys 147-154, or even at 140. Problem is some of the dangerous and good fighters that could cement his legacy as an ATG does not bring that much money in to the table. Now with Pac, he could have defeated him easily. But to be sure money-wise he dropped the PED-bomb.

Posted May 26, 2013 7:18 am 


KO

He will never be great and famous around the world.

Posted May 26, 2013 5:01 am 


Handicap Thinking

Check his last 2 fights if you dont believe it losers.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:46 am 


Handicap Thinking

Floyd threw… oh no, you kumquats are rubbing off on me!

Posted May 26, 2013 4:44 am 


Handicap Thinking

Floyd through combos in his 2 fights -Dork! If he can tag you without you seeing the punch coming, why should he throw flurries to satisfy your non-boxing understanding – hollow headed self!?

Posted May 26, 2013 4:40 am 


B Red

STFU , evolve means dont develop my parents in the convo sucka

Posted May 26, 2013 4:34 am 


Handicap Thinking

ScorpioC3PO and Fighting Words, you guys simply love the drug induced Pacquiao. You Peds actually believe Mayweather would have still avoided the fight even if the Drug King Pin had taken the BEST testing out their!? You two are on a different kind of drug for sure, along with the dumb ‘flip flopping’ writer of this article. I guess this is how he makes a name for himself as a sports pop writer. Who can Mayweather fight to satisfy your cry baby antics, maybe the 22 year old that has him by the same 22 pound margin. Dont you Dork Heads think that a 172 pound guy should fight Ward, Froch or someone his size, not looking for the little guy that you sour heads love to hate? You cherry pickers pick on Mayweather to hate on, because you dont have anyone in the sport of Boxingdom that would give your object of hate a run for his money. Maybe he should fight the Klitchkos to satisfy you numskulls.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:33 am 


Anonymous

Oh and B Red it’s ‘involve’ not ‘evolve’ you dumb twat! Did you even bother going to school???

Posted May 26, 2013 4:18 am 


Anonymous

Mayweather has never fought outside the USA so why would anyone consider him an all time great??? Great fighters step out of their own backyard and fight in different countries. Cherry picking pussies like Mayweather and Chicken Ward don’t deserve to be called time greats.

Posted May 26, 2013 4:16 am 


B Red

BTW scorpio, dont evolve my family in your comments .

Posted May 26, 2013 3:58 am 


B Red

@Scorpio , you make me laugh stupid. Your are way off

Posted May 26, 2013 3:54 am 


TARK

I saw that figure from Ali’s biography “The Greatest.” In it he documents his boxing earnings totalling over 100 million. Different from the total you get online.. I don’t think it’s a big deal because a lot of these claims are overblown.. Leonard had 3 fights with Duran, 2 with Hearns, one with Hagler.. They certainly weren’t paying him like Floyd, or anything remotely close..

Posted May 26, 2013 2:59 am 


scorpio2383

B Red, you are either mental or a troll. You can’t handle the fact that when somebody criticize Floyd because you live and obsess with Floyd where you live in a basement trying to be the internet tough guy. I knew you can’t counter the truth. Here’s the truth, Floyd doesn’t care about you, he cares about is your money and your parents’ money to make money out of his PPV buyrates. Floyd made more money than you and also cares about protecting his undefeated by ducking and avoiding other fighters who are a threat. He fight fighters who are easy to beat. I would have respect Floyd more if he fought some fighters who are a threat to him. I’m not asking you to change your opinion, but I’m telling you the facts about him.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:59 am 


B Red

Adriian, if you want to align yourself with Bears or Gonzo , do you.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:52 am 


B Red

Tark, Ali never made a Hundred million in fight purses. It was more like 35-40

Posted May 26, 2013 2:43 am 


B Red

Floyd just defended his title against his mandatory.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:40 am 


Adrian

@mark> great post buddy and is so true! “A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THOSE BOXERS FROM 1920 TO 1980 THAT BUILD THE SPORT OF BOXING AND TOOK ON ALL COMERS. THESE REAL MEN DID NOT FIGHT ONCE A YEAR AND RUN FROM EACH OTHER. IF YOU WATCH OLD FILM YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING. A LOT OF THESE OLD BOXERS MUST BE TURNING IN THERE GRAVE. WE AS FANS WILL GET BETTER FIGHTS BY WATCHING THE WOMEN FIGHT LIKE CAT’S TO THE DEATH . SOME MEN BOXERS OF TODAY NEED TO STOP MAKING LOVE IN THE RING AND FIGHT AND GIVE THE FAN’S THAT PAY GOOD MONEY THE FIGHTS THEY WANT… WHERE IS THE PRIDE ????”

Posted May 26, 2013 2:13 am 


Fighting Words

Sure Leonard was 34 when he was beat by Terry Noris, but Noris was in his Prime, so were the likes of “Mike McCallum… Michael Nunn… or Julian Jackson — because they were the top contenders for Leonard’s middleweight title he won from Hagler” What top contender in there 20′s have Floyd fought. Since winning the WW title and Super WW title he has not defended either one against the Mandatory. Floyd has the WW title but none of the fighters on his list of fighters with Show Time is a mandatory nor is he scheduled to fight to the mandatory for the Super WW title. If I am not misstaken, he should be stripped for not defending the title in either dividson within 6 months of winning the title. Surely Guerrero could not have been his Mandatory for beatingn Berto after Berto had gotten beat. Floyd has never defended any of his titles against a Mandatory nor have Manny when he had the titles, but other fighters the sanctioning bodies wants to strip them of the title if they don’t defend it against the Mandatory. Floyd is not a fighter, he lost that when he moved up to WW. When was the last time anyone saw Floyd throw a 4 punch combination, even a 3 punch combination for that matter, if so against when oppenant? There is a reason why Floyd does not defense the title against his Mandatories. They are young and ready to open up a can of whip ass and Floyd is not having it. He is not about to fight those young bucks simple as that. He fears aggressive fighters, that’s why he pull every excuse in the book to not fight Manny.

Posted May 26, 2013 2:00 am 


TARK

Sred’s an idiot… I hope he and Ernie are locked in the dungeon in Hell.

Posted May 26, 2013 1:48 am 


Adrian

B red -I posted what Are my thoughts about mayweather and PAC below…
Last few weeks I started writing more often here because I started working night shifts and simply have more free time and I am not here to hate anyone I am here to state my oppinion
And my oppinion about mayweather and PAC I made them a few post below and very often before aswell. And if you want to accuse someone about spewing hate day after day for years is sredmond ..he is here for years and years and with the same hate posts about klitchkos and PAC and attacks everybody who have a different oppinion ,now I hope you got my point !

Posted May 26, 2013 1:41 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Yo Adrian! Thanks mano, you’ve made some strong arguments here as well.

Posted May 26, 2013 1:32 am 


TARK

Wrong Ernie Enema Soup Slurper… The first boxer to make over 100 million in career earnings was Muhammad Ali — you ignorant drip.. Tyson started later and had 100 million before Leonard.. Tyson pulled in 300 million.. Floyd will amass much more.

Posted May 26, 2013 12:43 am 


B Red

Adrian, your missing the point, why spend time bashing a fighter that you dont care for? i think the Hw division is boring with the Klits and the rest of the pack, so why would i post multiple times on there post just to spew hatred

Posted May 26, 2013 12:11 am 


Adrian

I meant ..* how come mayweather can fight someone at 154 but not Canelo …typo

Posted May 25, 2013 11:53 pm 


Adrian

Squared – that’s exactly right !!! His come mayweather can fight against someone at 154 but not Canelo ?? Or if he dosent want to be a belt holder at 154 he should say so that he is to small for Canelo at 154 and if he fights there he might get slaughterd …If mayweather can’t fight him at 154 its all fine but he should shut his mouth and shouldn’t ask him to drop at 147 because he knows canelo he can’t possibly make the weight

Posted May 25, 2013 11:52 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

SREDMOND: Canelo isn’t chasing WWs, you mental-midget! He’s chasing the guy who has two of the belts in his weight class and is ranked the #1 Jr. MW in the world by Ring. Floyd fought ODLH and Cotto at 154lbs, so why can’t be fight Canelo at that same weight??? Because he’s ducking like a coward. He needs to fight Canelo at 154lbs or VACATE his Jr. MW titles and you know it. Defending Floyd on this issue is beyond pathetic.

Posted May 25, 2013 11:47 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Think what you want Tard, Ray Leonard left the sport with his brain still intact. He was the first professional athlete in history to make over a hundred million dollars in career earnings. What have you done lately?…

Posted May 25, 2013 11:35 pm 


Adrian

B red and sredmond – all my posts are my replays to guys like you and sredmond .if me and bears are crazy about replying to your posts than you are equally crazy for writing in the first place ….

Posted May 25, 2013 11:34 pm 


Adrian

Again as I always stated here time and time again

I love mayweather boxing skills and talent he has

And I love PAC ‘s spirit ,toughness and his speed and exitment he brings in boxing.

But I also hate what PAC and mayweather did in their carriers

I hate that PAC fought those catch weights I absolutely hate that especially against cotto !

And I hate that mayweather avoided a lot of good fights that he could have gave us and continue with the same tactics again!

This is my oppinion about mayweather and PAC now sredmond you can twist it anyway you like but that is me but let’s what is your oppinion about PAC and mayweather
Their pros and cons?

Posted May 25, 2013 11:21 pm 


Adrian

Sredmond – says “he defended PAC about the testing ” what a absolute bellony wow ,you just bashed PAC a few list below by saying he lost to the likes of morales in his prime as if that’s the reason PAC wasn’t worthy of fighting mayweather ….
Hahahahahahaha

Posted May 25, 2013 11:11 pm 


Adrian

Sredmond – you and your other nicknames can call me idiot peasent or whatever you want but the fact is that mayweather picked his opponents ,avoided them(retiring two years to avoid tough opponents)and acted like a true primadona with demands like which refery should be what kind of gloves etc…all the time not only once and fought once a year or less…

You and me are irrelevant when it comes to facts by calling me idiot of peasent won’t change facts!

Posted May 25, 2013 11:06 pm 


Zurdo40

Floyd its just the hero that american boxing media required. He always count with the support of the media, inside and outside the ring. the HW is dominated from europe since… 15 years?? ODH and trinidad were greats, better than Floyd, but they were not the “type” of americans required. Whitaker?? who in the hell remember Whitaker… My neighbors fights were far more interesting. Closed decisions went with Floyd. Conditions and contracts went Floyd way. Pacquiao is a bigger boxing star, he went through lefts and rights of morales, barrera, cotto, margarito and finally marquez.

Posted May 25, 2013 10:40 pm 


TARK

Floyd Sr. never won a world title or did a single thing as a boxer… Touting Leonard’s win over him is very weak indeed..

Now Floyd is 36… When Ray Leonard was 34 he got his ass beaten all over the ring, and decked twice by feeble chinned Terry Norris..

But Leonard took a chance on Terry Norris only because Norris was knocked stiff by Julian Jackson … And I would have been more impressed if Leonard actually fought Mike McCallum… Michael Nunn… or Julian Jackson — because they were the top contenders for Leonard’s middleweight title he won from Hagler.. As you know Leonard was stripped of that title for failure to ever defend it.

Posted May 25, 2013 10:05 pm 


badger

I never bought any floyds fights, but good for him to make lots of $$.people buy it. now I want to see Ruslan Provokinov again!

Posted May 25, 2013 9:53 pm 


B Red

Thats like comparing Joe Bryant to Kobe Bryant

Posted May 25, 2013 9:46 pm 


Exiled Yank

This writer is a hack – the night before the Guerrero fight he wrote that FM was in trouble against Guerrero because Berto has a better chin than FM and Guerrero had the goods to beat him. Now he says FM is cherry picking. He is just writing pop articles to get his name out there.

Posted May 25, 2013 9:40 pm 


Exiled Yank

Fighting Words – Do you think for a second Sr is nearly as good as Junionr? Hell, he’s not even the best fighter of his siblings – Roger is.

Posted May 25, 2013 9:38 pm 


Fighting Words

The Apples do not fall too far from the Tree. Mayweather Sr. tought Mayweather Jr everything he knows. Sugar Ray Leonard toyed with Mayweather Sr the night they fought, and Sugar had a off night. He didn’t look nothing like himself when he fought Hearns, Duran and Bernetiz. Sugar just played with Mayweather Sr. to the point of embarassment, Floyd Sr. tried that Shoulder roll and Sugar feed him right hands and lefts to the body that he came out of that defense in a hurry, Don’t take my word for it, you can watch it on YouTube.

Posted May 25, 2013 9:36 pm 


SREDMOND

B Red, you’re right they are crazy…!

Posted May 25, 2013 8:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Adrian, a peasant like you telling a man worth a couple hundred mill “to quit” is laughable!! FMJ has boxing by the balls and if he keeps winning he’s collecting a min of 32 mill every outing…That mans a monument to excellence, work ethic and business sense… While other fighters are broke or fighting for peanuts he had become a fiscal and pugilistic role model for any sane boxer who wants to retire rich, healthy and GREAT…!

Posted May 25, 2013 8:45 pm 


B Red

Sredmond, posters like Adrian Bears are not logical when it comes to Floyd. There mind has to be pretty sick to spend so much time posting on a fighter they hate

Posted May 25, 2013 8:42 pm 


TARK

Sredmond…. It doesn’t matter that Canelo Alvarez has not racked up as many losses as Oscar DLH did at this point… The kid is 22… Give him some space… He’s beaten several World Champions: He beat Shane Mosley, (without getting drilled like Floyd did). He easily stopped Kermit “The Killer” Cintron.. He whitewashed Lovemore Ndou with his excellent boxing skills. and then there’s the feared undefeated Austin Trout, a very formidable boxer who was able to defend Miguel Cotto’s ATG left jab BETTER than Floyd was able to do… Since Floyd is the acknowledged greatest defender of all time … where does that leave Austin Trout??? Canelo got this superb defender pretty damned good.. The kid solved Trout’s defense by scoring with both his jab and his straight right.

Posted May 25, 2013 8:39 pm 


SREDMOND

Adrian’s an idiot he says “Floyd calls himself the P4P king” reality is that the World of
Boxing calls him “The P4P King” a fighter can rate or overrate himself all he wants but it’s the special fighter that enjoys the Universal respect of all rating agencies and boxers… Trainers and Fighters alike tip their hats to Mayweather as the Sweet Science finest practitioner… He had already proved it to the powers that be.. The minds of detractors mean nothing when you’re cashing 40 million dollar checks and easily the most powerful boxer in the sport..Why would he care about a doofy poster named “Adrian”???

Posted May 25, 2013 8:33 pm 


B Red

Scorpio2383, Stfu sucka, and go back to that mental institution that you snuck out of

Posted May 25, 2013 8:26 pm 


SREDMOND

Adrian, that’s a lie because I’m a Pacquiao fan and defended him vigorously against the PED allegations of lunatics on this site… FAC is that Pacquiao is YOUNGER than Mayweather why is it Floyd’s job to monitor other fighters primes while his own should be slipping away at 36??? A guys prime is subjective, Pacqiuao was the toast of boxing till the 3rd Marquez fight then the rumbles began…NOW that he has been shockingly knocked cold by a fighter who’s out of his prime at 39 that’s Floyds fault?? When Floyd took some shots against Cotto everyone said “he’s slipping” now that he schooled Guerrero YOU and the rest of the “defamation league” are GUNG HO for him to spot a kid 22 pounds and 14 years???? This is GROSS inconsistency when do we acknowledge the passage of Floyd’s prime?? If he were a normal fighter the symptoms would be losses an KD’s but since it’s the GREAT FMJ you guys have a different set of rules that falsely brand him immune to the ravages of time… By your logic it’s criminal for a prime fighter like Canelo to face an OLD man like FMJ?????

Posted May 25, 2013 8:22 pm 


TJ

WHY IS IT that if you ever mention GOLDEN BOY you’re comments aren’t published? What’s wrong with this site?

Posted May 25, 2013 8:21 pm 


K.C.

Continue to Boycott Fraud’s PPV events!

Posted May 25, 2013 8:08 pm 


Adrian

Ponchito- wrote”Floyd was not and will not be scared to lose. He’ll find a way to win he states that over and over. It’s about the punishment. listen to him when he talks about Muhammad Ali. Look at how everyone treats him now that his incapable of doing everyday simple tasks. Everyone praises him for his boxing brillance but do people go raise his children for him and grandchildren, because he definitely couldn’t. He fought these so called legedary fights to prove a point and he lost sooo much more. he was great before he fought norton, spinks and holmes. it was this drive the same that michael jordan had to come back to face all these up in comers. but in boxing you pay a price. it only takes 1 punch from a person on PED’s to change your life. remember Gerald McClellan vs nigel benn. Benn was totatlly out classed, he LANDED one punch that turned Gerald into a vegetable and Gerald was winning the fight. A guy declines a drug test and you expect a fighter to say f-it I’ll fight him anyway to prove that i can beat anyone, whether their on something or not. Thats not brave thats desperate.”

If you don’t want to face the best but claim you are not scared makes no sense bro…
Fear dosent have to have legs to recognize it ,if you don’t want to become like ” muhamed Ali ” and don’t want to compete with the Up and comers like you say ” Jordan” than you should just retire but you can’t have it both ways ,call yourself a p4p king but don’t want to fight the young upcomers ,if you think you don’t have nothing to prove anymore than f&&&&king quit!!!!!

Posted May 25, 2013 8:04 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Its true. Floyd Mayweather Jr is a fine boxer with skills and have won some fine fights BUT he will never be recognised as an all time great with his way to play the gamer. Cherry pick your opponents all the time and never fight opponents that are truly thretning just don’t sell it in the end. I mean he turned away like from Manny “Pac-Man” Paquiao and Paul “The Punisher” Williams are the best examples when they where r5anked as the planets most dangerous fighters a few short years bhack and people wanted to see Mayweather Jr fight both men but he was silent and wished not to be tested against them. Just to fight opponents you know you can win against is just not enough to become a GREAT boxer. Also he have never achived to be an major undisputed and unified world champion.

Posted May 25, 2013 7:55 pm 


Adrian

Lewis lost to the lines of McCall and Rahman too so shall we assume he wasn’t that good??

PAC lost a close decision against tough morales but he destroy him in his other two fights , he stoped Barrera when Barrera was p4p top dog !

Posted May 25, 2013 7:48 pm 


Adrian

Sredmond wrote”Mosley, De La Hoya and certainly PAC NEVER fought Floyd during his prime!!! Which was YEARS AGO when he moved from start to finish and threw way more combos…Problem is 85% of FMJ is better than 100% of any other 147 pound fighter… PAC Man was losing to the likes of Morales in his prime and unable to get a real handle on Marquez EVER… Floyd could fight a 25 year old at 37 and detractors would say the kid was shopworn…. LMAO!

Yeah now based on sredmonds and co PAC wasn’t that good in his prime either but back then they were complaining PAC was too strong for his weight because he was ko’ing much biger boxers then him and they accused him of using steroids but now he is saying he wasn’t good ??!! Hahahahahaha

Posted May 25, 2013 7:45 pm 


SREDMOND

Squared Circle, get real Matthysee and Garcia would stand a chance against Floyd ONLY if they both fought him at the same time and it would still be an S/D loss… You would never give him credit for slaughtering guys like that with obvious flaws so why are you trying to sell a hurdle YOU don’t believe in??

Posted May 25, 2013 7:27 pm 


The Prince

Simply put, Floyd Mayeather will go down in history as one the of best to ever do it, but inside and outside the ring. And not many legendary boxers can say that. Sure they were great inside the ring, but when it came to handling business outside the ring, many of them got ripped off and ended up broke. Mayweather became his own boss and is now ruling the boxing world. Give credit where credit is due.

Posted May 25, 2013 7:21 pm 


K.C.

Boycott Fraud’s PPV events

Posted May 25, 2013 7:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Mosley, De La Hoya and certainly PAC NEVER fought Floyd during his prime!!! Which was YEARS AGO when he moved from start to finish and threw way more combos…Problem is 85% of FMJ is better than 100% of any other 147 pound fighter… PAC Man was losing to the likes of Morales in his prime and unable to get a real handle on Marquez EVER… Floyd could fight a 25 year old at 37 and detractors would say the kid was shopworn…. LMAO!

Posted May 25, 2013 7:16 pm 


SREDMOND

Squared Circle, why would we call out Trout for bubbling up he is NOT the guy trying to chase WW fighters… He PERSONALLY went on record and said that Canelo was too big for Floyd… Canelos camp has NOT even disputed the commentary about his weight so your arm chair rationale for his bulk against Trout is not selling… We know he’s beefy at 154 and Mayweather SMALL at 147…. Show us a single link that shows and official fight weight of 160?? BOOM you have died from an overdose of facts!!

Posted May 25, 2013 7:12 pm 


ADK

To Mr. Valenzuela:

With the exception of the analysis regarding Floyd Mayweather’s psyche, this article is the best analysis of the trajectory of Floyd’s career. Floyd has steadily avoided fights with boxers who might compete with him. From a financial perspective, Floyd’s matchmaking strategy has paid off quite well. He is paid tens of millions of dollars per year to fight opponents that cannot compete with him. Moreover, he is not owned by any promoter and calls the shots regarding his fees and matchmaking, which is incredibly impressive. For those reasons, he has earned the moniker, “Money.”

In terms of suggestions that he is afraid to fight other excellent fights, I am skeptical of that assertion. In my opinion, Floyd Mayweather is extraordinarily skilled and could compete, and possibly beat, other greater welterweights. There is no evidence to suggest that he is fearful of any other boxer. Instead, he selects his opponents wisely, i.e., offer the semblance of a match-up, the hint that the fight might be competitive; however, the caliber of the opponents is not comparable to Floyd.

In my opinion, the author is accurate with regard to Floyd choosing to avoid potentially competitive opponents. He has selected opponents that were well past their prime, such as Shane Mosley, Oscar de la Hoya, and Miguel Cotto, and/or not true welterweights, such as Ricky Hatton or Juan Manual Marquez. In contrast, he avoided competitive opponents, such as Manny Pacquaio and Shane Mosley in their primes.

It is important to note that Floyd might have beaten Pacquiao, Mosley, and/or de la Hoya in their prime, but we’ll never know. And that is what is so frustrating. In the 1980s, the top welterweights fought each, i.e., think of Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Benitez and others fighting to see who was the best. For that reason, when someone says that Sugar Ray Leonard was the dominant welterweight of that era and one of the all-time greats in the division, no one disagrees. Ray Leonard fought the best, beat ‘em, and dispelled all doubt as to whether he was the man. Perhaps Floyd will do the same and ensure his legacy as an all-time great.

ADK

Posted May 25, 2013 7:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Bad Chad, if I’m such a bigot share a bigoted post I have out forth??? I call guys out based on ACTUAL comments not differences of opinions… Tick Tock?? You gonna steal a screen name and write one???

Posted May 25, 2013 7:01 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you are a terrible bandwagoneer you are grossly overrating Austin Trout and Canelo Alvarez… Oscar De La Hoya was a BETTER at his best than either man by a long shot… Oscar fought an awesome schedule that includes 2 historically debatable losses to ATG’s… De La Hoya NEVER lost to a “regular fighter” Trout and Canelo between them have 2 wins over quality foes between them.. Eachan could be rendered irrelevant in a nanosecond… What’s wrong with you??? Trout can’t punch worth a damn or he would have had his way with Canelo… And Alvarez parlor trick of coming in heavy is gonna be out the test when either he has to move up or the pool of available WW’s drys up…I like both guys but ODH despite his missteps is a very solid HOF fighter you fool…

Posted May 25, 2013 6:59 pm 


Havoc

Po

Posted May 25, 2013 6:37 pm 


Tomato Can

Agreed, Ponchito, that was a heck of a post, the same thing I’ve been trying to post for years on this site. Keep em coming, cause you’re a true boxing fan…

Posted May 25, 2013 6:13 pm 


gold

@ponchito….what an AMAZING post…..HATERS never consider the welfare of those they HATE on – outside of boxing! They would have him fight a person on steroids to “prove” he wasn’t scared! They’d LOVE for Canello to obliterate him with the 25lb weight advantage to “prove” he takes on a true challenge. For the one that mentioned Hagler would have fought Paquiao* regardless of drug use: Hagler would not have been wise to risk his life against a roided foe unless he was roided himself! Two roided foes can go at each other if they choose to, they SHOW how “desperate” they are and unconcerned with their future lives and loved ones outside of boxing….. usually the way they manage their finances is a clear indication how they manage their decisions in training and who they indiscriminately choose to fight. Imo, Sugar Ray Leonard against Mayweather woulda’ been one hell of a fight!! They both have/had a love affair with training had physical gifts that were/are amazing and both were very CLEVER, not Rock em’ Sock em Robots that relied on face 1st bravado! I couldnt call it. Back in the day, Emanual Steward praised Rays physical gifts as 2nd to none!! Mayweather has his life to live, HATERS have theirs.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:08 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Floyd is a great fighter, but NOT a top ten ATG. Having an O next to your name doesn’t make you the GOAT when you’ve avoided dangerous fighters in their prime throughout your entire career. I could provide many examples.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:07 pm 


Q

Ok guys, enjoy your debate… I actually don’t need to defend a first ballot HOFer ATG. Robert Garcia and company are already calling him the greatest of all time. Some of you say he’s a journeyman or something, jaja. We can agree to disagree. Peace.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:43 pm 


murderman

@adrien- 40 mil is alot of money to turn down my friend

Posted May 25, 2013 5:32 pm 


Papo

Publicenemyisdumb said: “Papo that’s very stupid Canelo hasn’t earned the right to fight Floyd but Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz did your about as bright as a rock I see.”

Well, I don’t remember ever saying that Guerrero or Ortiz earned the right to fight Floyd either, though Ortiz fought hungry fighters in his division, as opposed to Canelo who has only fought one 154 pound worthy opponent. The comment was not about any other fighter Floyd has fought or may face in the future.

Whether we like it or not, Floyd is in the driver seat when it comes to choosing an opponent. We may want to hate him, but the fact is that he’s an outstanding boxer, has some decent power and trains his ass off for every fight. I don’t think Floyd needs Canelo to prove he is the best.

One more thing, I find it difficult to understand the rationale of so many Floyd haters posting about Floyd not being a great fighter. If he isn’t; then why repeating it on every post?

Posted May 25, 2013 5:31 pm 


alykFate

where is for example fight against Antonio Margarito? Floyd rather fought weaker opponent – Baldomir… LOL, Floyd still watching his perfect record and carefully chosing opponents… its true,nothing else…

Posted May 25, 2013 5:31 pm 


TARK

Trout is tougher, stronger, smarter, throws better combinations, and gets better torque on his left hook to the body than Oscar … He’s also a better defender than Oscar.

Actually, I meant to say Canelo does all that..

Posted May 25, 2013 5:27 pm 


TARK

The dumbest proposition is De La Hoya beating Canelo Alvarez… Besides being too burly and strong for DLH, Alvarez couldn’t miss Oscar with a jab.. Every great fighter but Trinidad out-jabbed Oscar.. Oscar was also vulnerable to straight rights.. Canelo has one of the better straight rights in Boxing. He nailed Trout with a really long range right that floored AT. Trout was outside most boxer’s range but still got blasted with the well timed shot. Trout is tougher, stronger, smarter, throws better combinations, and gets better torque on his left hook to the body than Oscar … He’s also a better defender than Oscar.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:17 pm 


mark

Q, SOME THE THE THINGS YOU SAY MAY BE TRUE . BUT MAYWEATHER HAS NOT GIVING THE FAN’S THE FIGHTS THEY WANT TO SEE IN HIS OR OTHER FIGHTERS PRIME. I FEEL MAYWEATHER HAS THE BEST SKILL’S OF ANY BOXER OUT THERE IN TODAY’S GAME BUT HAS CHERRY PICKED SOME FIGHTS. REMEMBER WITH YOUR TONGUE YOU CAN BLESS YOUR LIFE OR CURSE YOUR LIFE.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:14 pm 


Havoc

Q t- Floyd is a cherry picker! Write it in stone! Floyd will pick fighters he can beat! By hook or by crook !

Posted May 25, 2013 5:10 pm 


Q

mark: Yes? There was never a NO, from FLOYD… there was just a matter to be dealt with that should have been dealt with. The NO came when it mattered, in the negotiations, and those NO’s came from team Paquiao. Deal with it. They no’d all the way to a crushing KO loss. Idiots.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:06 pm 


Q

Mark: Cool your tits. There have been fighters revered for their defensive abilities from waaaaaaay back in time. Like the Willie Peps, and the Loche’s… so what are you getting at with this “to the death” thing? I don’t get it. The sport has evolved, and you can’t have 100+ bouts these days (there aren’t that many elite fighters, so it has to be padded in many ways, being honest) and now we have promotion and everything that goes along with the bouts. The problem is that FMJ is a genius alone in his era, standing head and shoulders above the rest. There aren’t many 5 division major title champions. There are guys revered for what they did at one division however. Athletes are stronger these days, with their steroids and training machines, low body fat high muscle percentage.. and you have guys like FMJ taking them on 130-154. What do you want? FMJ has better fighters on his resume than the level of some HOFers from the olden days… being honest.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:04 pm 


mark

Q, ON EVERY INTERVIEW I HAVE EVER SEEN ON T.V PACMAN HAS ALWAYS SAID YES TO A MAYWEATHER FIGHT. MAYWEATHER HAS NEVER SAID YES WITH OUT A EXCUSE ?????????????????JUST FIGHT AND GIVE THE FAN’S THE FIGHT .

Posted May 25, 2013 5:04 pm 


mark

A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THOSE BOXERS FROM 1920 TO 1980 THAT BUILD THE SPORT OF BOXING AND TOOK ON ALL COMERS. THESE REAL MEN DID NOT FIGHT ONCE A YEAR AND RUN FROM EACH OTHER. IF YOU WATCH OLD FILM YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING. A LOT OF THESE OLD BOXERS MUST BE TURNING IN THERE GRAVE. WE AS FANS WILL GET BETTER FIGHTS BY WATCHING THE WOMEN FIGHT LIKE CAT’S TO THE DEATH . SOME MEN BOXERS OF TODAY NEED TO STOP MAKING LOVE IN THE RING AND FIGHT AND GIVE THE FAN’S THAT PAY GOOD MONEY THE FIGHTS THEY WANT… WHERE IS THE PRIDE ????

Posted May 25, 2013 4:58 pm 


Q

Squared-Circle: Now you’re bringing in nationalities? jaja… ok ok. I think Floyd’s 154 titles will be vacated, but who cares… he just came into a bout 146 pounds, he’s where he belongs, and YES he should definitely fight the winner of Lucas-Danny, but it WILL be at 147. Those are career Jr. WW’s with big punches, Floyd campaigned a Super Feather for years. They will move up for that bout and it will not be a problem for them. Floyd doesn’t have to move down nor up to fight guys… he’s earned that right. And don’t cry wolf, Lucas was just saying how he’d like to fight Manny, so he can move up and see what happens.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:53 pm 


Q

Squared-Circle: Actually pal, the point is, you’re trying to make Floyd bigger and Canelo smaller, when it’s defying logic. FMJ can’t make 154 if he tried, but Canelo can make 172 in a snap with no problem, that’s just the physical difference, it’s documented and clear. FMJ just cam into his bout 146 pounds… the other guy 26 pounds heavier on fight night, what are you trying to alter here? You can’t alter reality and documented scientific facts, jaja. By the way, nobody trashed Trout, but it has been pointed out that he was way bigger than Cotto and that helped him of course, as opposed to FMJ who fought Cotto and came in 14lbs lighter, yes we’ve point that out, and I’m glad you are now also. Meanwhile, it’s all relative. Canelo is the one talking about a fight with Mayweather when Floyd comes in 146 and he comes in 172… that’s silly.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:49 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

If Mayflower is “too small” for Canelo then he MUST VACATE his paper Jr. MW titles ASAP!!! And if he’s really the little 140lbs fighter you claim he is, he MUST fight the winner of Matthysse vs. Garcia. Those Latinos have little boy Floyd boxed-in from both sides and he’s scared sh*itless. That’s why he’ll avoid the toughest competition and fight push-overs like Khan and Paulie. Real talk.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:49 pm 


Q

Mark, are you sure? I think Floyd has established himself as a first ballot HOFer if he retired 5 years ago. What don’t you guys get? No, I don’t think he owes Manny a bout, Manny and his team were busy playing mind games, and overestimated Manny’s longevity, now he’s coming off back to back loses. NOW…. there is controversy in the Bradley bout (Manny was very inactive in that bout which helped him “lose”) and JMM stopped him after giving him help in every bout for 10 years. So if Bradley beats JMM, I think that’s a great fight, and Manny should actually try to beat JMM then… although you would think he’d want the Bradley rematch if Bradley beats JMM, but you know, it’s hard to think about all this stupidity. All Manny had to do was keep winning… or take his damn test in the first place.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:45 pm 


Havoc

Q- pardon my English man … It’s my fifth language…I meant to say coming off a win in a deathmacht!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:43 pm 


Bad Chad

S.Redmond you are arguably the biggest bigot on Eastside so you shouldn’t really criticizing anyone else in that regard mate. Just saying.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:43 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

SREDMOND: You are by far the biggest liar on ESB and Q is your mini-me side-kick… LOL. That’s the heaviest that Canelo has ever weighed on fight night, and he did it to try and match Trout’s size. Why don’t you nuthuggers trash Trout for coming in at 171 lbs against Canelo and over 170 against Cotto???

Posted May 25, 2013 4:41 pm 


Q

Havoc: Is he fighting old guys? Did they lose previous bouts? Are they the winners of deathmatches? Who did he fight coming off a loss, name three? So he’s cherry picking the winners of dead matches? shouldn’t he avoid them instead? Are they not good enough or are they taking dives? What are you talking about Adrian-Havoc-Scorpian?

Posted May 25, 2013 4:41 pm 


mark

Q, IF YOU THINK PACMAN LOST TO BRADLEY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOXING .YES HE LOST TO J.M ,BUT A MAYWEATHER VS PACMAN FIGHT IS WHAT THE FAN’S WANT TO SEE !!! MAYWEATHER MUST GIVE THE FAN’S THIS FIGHT TO GET INTO THE HALL OF FAME . MAYWEATHER IS ALWAYS TAKING ABOUT MONEY AND THIS IS THE BIGGEST PAY DAY FOR HIM TO SIGN. SO WHAT’S THE PROBLEM ?????????

Posted May 25, 2013 4:40 pm 


Havoc

Nobody is PERFECT!!!! Not unless you are a con-Artist!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:39 pm 


Q

Jvincy: Exactly… his skills alone would place him at least top 3 all time, at the very least.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:38 pm 


Q

Adrian: Demand stuff? lol. Goodnight. Oh, and stop talking about race. You make it even clearer that you’re just some envious irrational troll.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:37 pm 


Havoc

Prince- Floyd fought fighters who is at thier fighting weight but he has to cherry pick the old the previously beaten up to the plump coming out of a life and death match winner and of course the champions who is willing to take a dive to get retirement pay!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:37 pm 


Jvincy

Leave that dude alone. Money May has proven enough. One would be an idiot to say that he isn’t an all-time great. If not for the opponents it’s his skills alone that take him right to the top 3.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:35 pm 


Q

Who the hell is still talking about Manny Paquiao? He’s coming off back to back loses and the latter being a devastating KO loss, he has to fight Rios still, and his two conquerors will fight eachother. I’d rather see FMJ against the winner of the JMM-TB bout, if it’s Bradley (JMM stated he doesn’t want to fight FMJ again), and after that, FMJ and MP can happen in a (maybe styles make fights) type scenario. Although Floyd’s style seems not so good for Manny, especially more calmed in his attack (he’s been looking scared to exchange lately.. definitely against JMM’s counter punching). Well yeah… Canelo – GGG – Martinez are all solid MW’s. They’re about as valid as FMJ against AW. Floyd’s in his 4th division after campaigning as light as Super Featherweight for years as an adult… if this “one division” thing is so legit, then Canelo should be able to make 147 for that bout right?

Posted May 25, 2013 4:35 pm 


Adrian

Hahahahahaha we all know how good hatton was ….he lost to collazo..but still mayweather needed to demand stuff against him because as usual he wasn’t sure he would win and he had to be the one to”demand ” stuff…sad…say ain’t true sredmond ,q or whatever name you use

Posted May 25, 2013 4:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Ahhhhh yes the province of the weak, Hatton
Would have won if Joe Cortez had only let him hold the entire evening smothering his own work…One minute Hattons not a good opponent, the next he’s good but Joe Correz held him while Floyd swung away… The foolish musings of surging fool Adrian… lol and don’t whine because I insulted you..

Posted May 25, 2013 4:28 pm 


The Prince

Havoc – Mayweather fought bigger guys at their weight division. Two of them are future HOFers. Pacquiao made his bigger men starve themselves before a fight. Yet Pacquiao is better. That’s why they call guys like you Pactards.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:27 pm 


Q

Adrian: You need to learn how to spell. You guys make any excuse possible.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:26 pm 


SREDMOND

Squared Circle, your lies have a familiar stench reminiscent of DUNG no one had EVER clocked Floyd at 160… 30 days out for Ortiz and Guerrero he was under 150 and weighed in at 146 for Guerrero.. Canelos weight was graphically displayed and your testimony about why he did what is cringe worthy and sad… The boys huge for the weight something Trout attested to… Trying to make FMJ bigger and Canelo smaller is not gonna fly…Writers and real fans know the truth…

Posted May 25, 2013 4:25 pm 


Q

Squared-Circle: You’re an irrational envious little person. What’s a well known fact is that FMJ walks around 147-148 weeks before the actual bout, which means he’s likely a natural 140lber. You want Floyd to fight guys 1 and 2 divisions higher? that’s fine and dandy, but Floyd is in his 4th division, and the largest percentage of his career was spent at Super. Featherweight… he didn’t just start there and grow out of it a year… he campaigned there for years and many bouts. Canelo came into a fight 172 pounds, you can’t tell me why he did it, because the only thing that matters is that he was physically able to rehydrate to almost 20 pounds over the Jr. MW limit. That’s what his body was able to do. Floyd can’t even train and make it to 154… coming in on fight night under 149 pounds. You’re being illogical.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:24 pm 


Adrian

Btw ..folks forgot that floyed”demandet ” that joe Cortez be a refery in a fight with hatton …lol why ??? Off course we all knew why so he could get away with holding as soon as hatton gets inside wich he did all night long and got no warning ….

Posted May 25, 2013 4:23 pm 


Q

Popkins: I don’t think the high punching volume against a guy like FMJ would have done much. Floyd’s style isn’t perfectly comparable to Bernard Hopkins, Floyd’s is much more fleet of foot, so you can’t just try to throw a bunch of punches (that’s why everyone he fights seems to stop punching, it’s because he’s elusive) he’s also very very fast handed with various punches. Really, he’s had some slightly competitive fights, but nobody has ever done anything special against FMJ ever at all. By the way, your workrate comment is why everyone was saying that Hatton had the best chance to beat FMJ and that Cotto would get picked apart trying to box with FMJ (in Floyd’s physical prime, and remember when FMJ did fight Cotto, Cotto’s strength advantage was exaggerated with a 14+ pound advantage) The 140 division was the hot division, with Hatton, Cotto, Vivian Harris was a name etc. Cotto’s team didn’t want that bout, Floyd eventually stopped Hatton, whose work rate…. didn’t do much for him, and he eventually took a real beating.. then at 147… it was all about Cotto/AM/SSM …and the dust cleared when SSM came out on top, then Floyd beat him 11 of 12 rounds.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:18 pm 


Adrian

Lol hatton got a gift decision agai st a slow and feather fisted collazo before he fought floyed, we all saw hatton was small for ww…!!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Fish Eyes, we have no time machines but we saw Mayweather against a GREAT boxer who NEVER quit in his life coming up from LW and the result was an FMJ wipeout…!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:15 pm 


Havoc

Q- the writer of the article said great cherry picker! Floyd’s know when is the right time to fight a guy. He will not cherry pick Canelo Pacquioa Martinez or GGG… Not unless these fights beat up each other first then you have Floyd waiting to fight them like a girl!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:13 pm 


Havoc

The prince- I take the weight drain coz he is fighting a bigger guys but he has to ballon to be in the catch weight. Cherry pick? I DON’T THINK SO!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:10 pm 


Adrian

Q> Q

Furthermore, I think the ODH that won 3 rounds against FMJ those years ago would beat Canelo Alvarez today. What do you think about that?

Hahahahahaha won 3 rounds?????????? Hahahaha
Based on judges he lost in one scorecard (wich I agree just because he was the acres or and chased the scared crybaby a night long) and other two judges gave also Oscar 5 Rounds …
And floyed fought the weakest version of Oscar ..prime Oscar beats floyed and Alvarez at the same night …. Don’t forget Oscar lost 4 out of his 5 fights before he fought floyed( Hopkins ,sturm,robery ,Mosley )

Posted May 25, 2013 4:10 pm 


Q

Havoc: P4Pers and Train of The Year winners are calling him the greatest fighter of all time. Even if he loses in the future, he’s 36+ …guys like SRL were done in the sport in their early 30′s. So if anyone beats FMJ, they wouldn’t be beating a prime FMJ.. he’s already past that phase, so keep hoping he loses, jaja. The only one who can get credit for beating a FMJ would be a 140-147 pounder. THese Jr.MW’s and MW’s are basically trying to get a bout with a guy that will never acclimated to any division above 147 period, while they come into fights 170+ …if you’re going to talk about cherry picking then don’t mention Canelo and company, because he’s not fighting the best in his division.. he’s been fighting B- Jr. WW’s and such. FMJ’s physical prime is really 140…. I don’t think any ATG from 130-140 could have beaten FMJ, I don’t think Duran could have beaten FMJ… but that’s my opinion.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:08 pm 


Havoc

Tark – Floyd is a con-artist!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:08 pm 


SREDMOND

Ponchito, that was an excellent post below!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:05 pm 


The Prince

Havoc – Not only did Pac cherrypicked, he weight drained as well. He’s not the “Catchweight King” for nothing. But of course, it’s okay when he does it.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:05 pm 


Havoc

Floyd is a con artist

Posted May 25, 2013 4:04 pm 


The Prince

PEEJ – Sadly, a lot of the hate against Mayweather has to do with this race. But he does have a lot of white fans as well.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:03 pm 


Havoc

Peej- PAC cherry picking?…….hahahahahahah!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:03 pm 


PEEJ

Steroids and PEDs where not a problem when Hagler was fighting. I bet if he was around now with the way fighters have been coming up dirty, he would be saying people need to take the test. Floyd is a pioneer of the drug testing era. Congrats Floyd

Posted May 25, 2013 4:01 pm 


Q

Fish Eyes: Hagler was a middleweight, he was always a Middleweight, and Manny had to fight a inactive busted AM at a catchweight instead of 154, so what makes you think Manny would have fought a Hagler? That’s also in another era. Don’t forget that rules in the sport have always changed for safety purposes dude to being viewed as necessary. Gloves got bigger and rounds were removed.. you had to go to the opposite corner instead of standing over the opponent until he got up, and standing 8 counts. Today in an era of drug based fighters, it’s perfectly normal that someone would ask for a test, denying it is the problem. Floyd never went away from fighting Manny, all he ever asked for was a test. SRL can ask for and fight at catchweights to help remove advantages, but another guy can’t ask for testing? You shouldn’t come into a bout with plaster in your gloves nor doped up. Period. Nonito does strict anti-doping, and many champions are doing that now, Manny is doing it with Rios as well.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:01 pm 


Anonymous

Fish Eyes: Hagler was a middleweight, he was always a Middleweight, and Manny had to fight a inactive busted AM at a catchweight instead of 154, so what makes you think Manny would have fought a Hagler? That’s also in another era. Don’t forget that rules in the sport have always changed for safety purposes dude to being viewed as necessary. Gloves got bigger and rounds were removed.. you had to go to the opposite corner instead of standing over the opponent until he got up, and standing 8 counts. Today in an era of drug based fighters, it’s perfectly normal that someone would ask for a test, denying it is the problem. Floyd never went away from fighting Manny, all he ever asked for was a test. SRL can ask for and fight at catchweights to help remove advantages, but another guy can’t ask for testing? You shouldn’t come into a bout with plaster in your gloves nor doped up. Period. Nonito does strict anti-doping, and many champions are doing that now, Manny is doing it with Rios as well.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:00 pm 


PEEJ

How can people say Floyd is a cherry picker and bring up Pac, Alverez, and GGG. First off Pac has been cherry picking for years if you think Floyd has. He has also ducked a few fighters. Alverez just fought the first true 154 pounder. All he has been doing is fighting showcase fights. And GGG really who has he fought? Now GGG is about to show us something against Macklin. He is looking for challenges so I don’t want it to sound like I’m trying to bring him down. Not to mention he is 160 pounds, he shouldn’t even be in a Mayweather conversation

Posted May 25, 2013 3:59 pm 


PEEJ

Why do folks have to be so racial. One post says you white boys which you had someone that was the face of boxing. I am a white guy and I could care less if there is a white guy or any other color being the face. I’m a Floyd fan and I am not afraid to admit I am white. But I am a boxing fan first and love to watch good fights. Drop the racial crap. And people wonder why racism is still around

Posted May 25, 2013 3:55 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Q: Please go watch years of film, read tons of books and articles, and learn much more about boxing. Then come back and talk to me again in a few years after you have properly prepared yourself for this level of discussion. Thank you, son.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:55 pm 


Adrian

Murderman”murderman

@ adrian- Sir do you have cable or internet? Please lookup Pac’s interview on 1st take where he felt 40 mil wasnt enough to fight floyd and said no to the fight! Floyd offered pac refuse and there wasnt another offer made! Please sir get your facts together before you posts! Real talk!
Lol so now you criticize PAC for asking more money ? Lol I thought your opinion about today’s boxing is all about prize money ?? 40 mil. ? And how much mayweather offered his split would be ??? Lol…

Posted May 25, 2013 3:54 pm 


Fish Eyes

The guys SRL beat , are the guys that a prime Mayweather would never fight in a million years.. Lol, can you imagine Hagler saying “I will not fight Pacman unless he has a drug test.” ? Lol…

Posted May 25, 2013 3:49 pm 


Mma fighter

There is only three fights out there for Floyd to make him big money

Posted May 25, 2013 3:49 pm 


Adrian

Sthomas”Te Tumbo, you can’t change the past etc. That’s why in a previous post, I reconstructed my thoughts of late 2007early 2008. It was real time then, the division was hot, and Floyd took a long break. I predicted he would come back once the dust settled and that he did. Would he have won the fights? Probably, but I want to see greatness challenged. Nothing more, nothing less.”
That’s 100% true!
That’s exactly how it was but floyed’s “lawyer fans” now try to spin it and tell us who lost to who and how all those worthy opponents at a time weren’t that worthy fighting them but yeah fighting cotto years later is all right but not when he was undefited …lol

Posted May 25, 2013 3:48 pm 


Fish Eyes

SREDMOND..”Mayweather would NEVER lose a decision to Duran like Ray did..” When did Mayweather ever go 15 rounds with Duran, or anyone else, to prove it?

Posted May 25, 2013 3:45 pm 


The Prince

What other boxer in history got as many wins over creditable champions, top 10 P4P opponents and destined HOFs other than Floyd Mayweather Jr. and remained undefeated while doing so in his prime? People use to brag about how Oscar De La Hoya put butts in seats and was a cash cow. Well, Floyd is also the most paid athlete in sports. So rather it’s competition or marketability, Floyd is number 1, yet he’s still not great? Sorry haters, you don’t have a leg to stand on.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:44 pm 


SREDMOND

Hecdog, “Leonard would have destroyed Mayweather” nonsense but we know Pacquiao who you LOVE and I admire was actually destroyed by Marquez, Torrecampo and that other guy.. No need to ponder how effective the Ghost of Ray Lonard would have been against him.. No fighter in history could walkover Mayweather at 147 that I’m confident of… Mayweather would NEVER lose a decision to Duran like Ray did he would have pot shotted the Panamanian and gotten a “No Mas” the first time out…

Posted May 25, 2013 3:38 pm 


Fish Eyes

Hecdog.. Yup, he would have found a way to win against Mayweather.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:35 pm 


PEDcquiao ATG

The title should have been

Reni will never be post anything credible until he stops slurping Manny’s nut juice

Posted May 25, 2013 3:34 pm 


Hecdog

Fish Eyes, well said. Sugar Ray Leonard would have destroyed Mayweather. Sugar Ray could do it all. A true fighter,a nd he wasn’t even my favorite, but Ray was head and shoulders above Mayweather.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:32 pm 


Fish Eyes

Mayweather is a great boxer. But he is not as great a fighter as some folks make him out to be..

Posted May 25, 2013 3:30 pm 


The Prince

“The more people hate you, the more power you have.” Haters are really Floyd’s biggest fans.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:29 pm 


The Prince

Wrong, Floyd is already great and will go down in history as one of the greatest pure boxers of all time, rather he finishes his career undefeated or not. The fact people can’t stop taking about him, rather positively or negatively proves it.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:27 pm 


Lucious Leroy Smif

Yall stop hatin on Floyd, yall white boyz be jellus of da brotha and his millions and he hot woman. Floyd be da greatest of alltimes. He no sellout like Ray Leonard.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:20 pm 


Fighting Words

Manny was right for not fighting Mayweather for $40 million, that was very smart of him. Both fighters were listed as P4P and it was the fight that everyone wanted to see, and it would have clearly done 2 million PPV which would have came to approximately $250 million if not more, therefore Manny would have got just $40 million and Mayweather would get the $210 million. Mayweather fake retirement because he did not want to give Oscar a rematch, and of course he was not getting along with his Father and his father said at that time if Mayweather fight Oscar he would work Oscar corner to teach Mayweather a lesson. You can blame Mayweather for getting to most out of his talent and the gift for gab. He go people calling him a master boxing, beyong his time and he able to “Adjust” whatever that mean. He has never thrown any punch no one else have, but his opponants and fight fans have bought the story that he is God gift to boxing. Does anyone knows why he only fights fighter that are promoted by Golden Boy? Please be advised that it sounds like a broken record to say because Arum and Oscar do not get along, Floyd is his own man.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:14 pm 


Ponchito

Floyd was not and will not be scared to lose. He’ll find a way to win he states that over and over. It’s about the punishment. listen to him when he talks about Muhammad Ali. Look at how everyone treats him now that his incapable of doing everyday simple tasks. Everyone praises him for his boxing brillance but do people go raise his children for him and grandchildren, because he definitely couldn’t. He fought these so called legedary fights to prove a point and he lost sooo much more. he was great before he fought norton, spinks and holmes. it was this drive the same that michael jordan had to come back to face all these up in comers. but in boxing you pay a price. it only takes 1 punch from a person on PED’s to change your life. remember Gerald McClellan vs nigel benn. Benn was totatlly out classed, he LANDED one punch that turned Gerald into a vegetable and Gerald was winning the fight. A guy declines a drug test and you expect a fighter to say f-it I’ll fight him anyway to prove that i can beat anyone, whether their on something or not. Thats not brave thats desperate.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:02 pm 


mark

I HAVE SEEN BETTER WOMEN BOXING MATCHES THAT COME OUT FIGHTING LIKE CAT’S TO THE DEATH. MAKING MEN FIGHTS LOOK LIKE THEY ARE MAKING LOVE IN THE RING . I THINK MAYWEATHER SHOULD GROW HIS HAIR LONG.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:58 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

If you make the weight class just fight… Floyd has fought at 154 and who gives a crap what weight Cinnabum comes in on fight night… Floyd will school him easily… Floyd needs to step up and fight even if its a disadvantage, its fair if he makes weight at the scales… When martinez fought Pothead Chavez, he must have had some serious munchies he came in that night anywhere from 180-190 pounds… Martinez fought a cruserweight and in my opinion the only reason Chavez couldn’t get hurt… So Floyd just do what fighters been doing for ages… Fight with a “disadvantage” of retire for good…

Posted May 25, 2013 2:54 pm 


Publicenemyisdumb

Papo that’s very stupid Canelo hasn’t earned the right to fight Floyd but Robert Guerrero and Victor Ortiz did your about as bright as a rock I see

Posted May 25, 2013 2:52 pm 


Dead Goose

these flomos don’t have a brain cell between them. Honestly I’ve never seen such a bunch of deluded sad cases in all my life. You have to ask yourself what kind of saddo would devote the amount of time they do to defending and worshipping another man they’ve never met and who obviously doesn’t care about them in the sli. Especially such a detestable, loathesome character like him.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:49 pm 


Papo

Floyd didn’t fight Pac due to having too much respect for Pac. In other words; he didn’t want to face the possibility of being defeated…the drug testing issue was just an excuse. However, Pac didn’t make it any easier with his excuses for not wanting to take random drug testing. Two of those excuses were weak as best; first, the excuse of him being afraid of needles, and second, he’d be weaken by the small amount of blood drawn for the testing.

So, IMO, Floyd didn’t fight Pack because he didn’t want to take a chance of losing his unbeaten record. On the other hand, Pac didn’t want anything to do with random drug testing because he didn’t want to give up his only advantage…the use of steroids.

As for Floyd docking Canelo; I don’t see why he needs to fight Canelo at a big disadvantage. Canelo will enter the ring at around 170 pounds and to be honest, Canelo hasn’t done much to deserve a fight against Floyd. I think Canelo should stop trying to fight smaller or older fighters and move up to challenge Martinez at 160.

Floyd is a natural 147 pound fighter and he can easily, even at this stage of his career, clean up the division. That’s the division he should be concentrating on. There are some good fighters available, e.g. Alexander, Bradley, Pac, Khan and others. However, I don’t think any of them stand a chance, and that makes Floyd one the best fighter of this era…he’s just that much better than the rest.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:37 pm 


Happyboy

Mark – Mayweather has disappointed his haters time n again ( 44 -0), thats an awfully long time to hold on to that hate, ya’all mtfs are just sick, clearly you’re not about the sport but some other crap that only yourselves care to know. Frankly even if Floyd gets ktfo now his still miles ahead of you. Thank you for making Floyd the highest paid athlete in the world today fellas. It was nice doing business with you chumps. Remember, KEEP ON HAITIN! Easy!

Posted May 25, 2013 2:33 pm 


Ponchito

The problem with this sport and many sports is envy. The one true lesson life teaches us is that you cannot get through unmarked. So many people resent floyd for doing so, so boistersouly. if he was more humble like oscar in his prime and sugar ray then maybe these people would stop conjuring up these hypthetical death matches. we all know the reason that floyd’s greatness has not been tested, because he is greater than everyone fighter that boxes at the moment period point blank. it passes the eye test and numbers test. he is the most accurate, has the best defense, is one of the top 10 fastest boxing in the world regardless of weigh difference and is the smartest boxer we’ve ever seen. it has nothing to do with picking fighters with weaknesses. They all have glaring weaknesses in respects to mayweather.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:24 pm 


Young Don

Name someone that could out box Mayweather?

Posted May 25, 2013 2:22 pm 


mark

DO YOU REALLY THINK MAYWEATHER CARES WHAT BOXING FAN’S THINK ! THE ONLY THINGS MAYWEATHER CARES ABOUT IS MONEY . DO THINK HE SHOULD GET INTO HALL OF FAME (NO) MAYWEATHER HAS NO RESPECT FOR BOXING OR IT’S FAN’S. MAYWEATHER IS A GREAT BOXER AND IT TAKES BALLS TO GET INTO ANY RING ( BUT ) IF THE RING WAS ONLY 5 X 5 IN SIZE I THINK NO WAY MAYWEATHER WOULD EVER STEP INTO A RING. I FEEL MAYWEATHER IS HURTING BOXING AND EVERYONE IS WAITING FOR HIM TO GET KO ! THAT’S THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE PAY.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:13 pm 


Burnett

TARK There is 16 world champions Mayweather beat. You forgot Carlos Badomir the lineal welterweight champ after he upset Judah.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Non Americans NOT supporting their fighters beyond those arena fights where relative peanuts are generated… Apparently you guys don’t respect your boxers enough to keep the smart ones from fleeing to the US for real exposure and mega Paydays..!

Posted May 25, 2013 2:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Ummmm St Thomas you called him “Marquez bloated” and how did the “style matchup favor Floyd” it was Sublime boxer against Great Boxer?? What’s the problem? Floyd winning handily?? I’m the same guy who could not comprehend those retarded odds in the 3rd fight due to Marquez skills…As for Floyd taking off 21 months it’s weak to suggest it was a historical duck in order to let the division grind out… Floyd passed on ODH who he had already defeated because he did not like being slighted.. Mayweather had just won the biggest most lucrative fights in history it’s a reach to suggest he ducked the division
… These other fighters are failing BADLY against a 36 year old version of him.. What’s their excuse??

Posted May 25, 2013 1:50 pm 


PEEJ

I find it funny that people say Floyd ducked Pac when the fight was pretty much signed but Pac wouldn’t take the test. Now all of a sudden the shoe is on the other foot and now Pac wants random drug testing. Why wouldn’t he do it any other time before? Then he was offered 40 mil and he turned that down. They always say you know one fighter doesn’t want to fight another fighter when they price them selves out. Well Oac thought he was worth more than 40 so he priced himself out of a mega fight. Floyd’s the best fighter of this generation and people will have to deal with it for 5 more glorious fights

Posted May 25, 2013 1:49 pm 


Fish

floyd is so boring to watch, people paying $$$ just to watch his fights is an indicator of the intelligence of americans

Posted May 25, 2013 1:41 pm 


jus read and learn

@ sredmond, I could not have put it any better

Posted May 25, 2013 1:39 pm 


Sunchild

There are few fighters in the top spots to face him as it is, Canelo is champion at 154lb. Trout has the second spot under Floyd. At 147 Marquez has the #1 spot, while Floyd is the champion of the division. If he fights Marquez, it would be looked at as a cherry pick, even though Marquez is in the #1 spot. The only person out there that he could fight where it doesn’t look like a cherry pick is Canelo and maybe Trout. I say maybe Trout, because he’s coming off of a lost to Canelo. After those two fights, considering May and Pac can’t seem to get that fight off the ground. Who else is there for him to fight, Martinez?? Who have not been looking to good as of late. The truth to the matter is, no matter who he fights, even though his 147 class is fill with talent, Floyd will always get back lash, because he’s that much better then the rest of them. Fighting and beating Canelo, will only get him the Canelo wasn’t ready yet story. Next there going to say he need to fight Bernard hopkins…lol

Posted May 25, 2013 1:38 pm 


jus read and learn

Floyd is so great, haters dont even realise the sort of compliments they pay him. They are desperate for him to fight canelo at 154 who I might add is big in that weight class. No one doesnt even say why doesnt canelo fight someone his size. Imagine if mayweather kept calling out someone 1 or 2 weight classes below him. People would be screaming he is fighting smaller fighters but this is fine for canelo to do. How can people call mayweather a cherry pickeer when he has gone upto 154 to fight the like of cotto and delahoya. Why are people still screaming for the pac fight. JMM knocked the hpe out of that fight. It would still generate interest but floyd would be one hell of a favourite which in y opinion he always was. That hurricane style of pacman would get destroyed by the skills and boxing excellence of floyd. Pacman does not have many boxing skills, if you are not a come forward fighter who offers him their chin, then he stuggles i.e jmm. Plus, I do not respect ANY sportsman whi refuses a drug test. As for canelo, he has only fought 1 half decent fighter in his ENTIRE career yet floyd is ducking him lol. All younpac nut huggers would start crying and moaning if floyd asked canelo to come down to 147 (which he would not do) but yet it was all good for pac to get delahoya to come down and fight so many fights at catchweights. People need to start realising floyd is a precious talent who should be celebrated because it doesnt come round often. He has the best defence EVER seen in boxing and his overall skills are second to none. You cannot beat what you cannot hit as 44 previous fighters have found out.

Posted May 25, 2013 1:33 pm 


sthomas

Te Tumbo, you can’t change the past etc. That’s why in a previous post, I reconstructed my thoughts of late 2007early 2008. It was real time then, the division was hot, and Floyd took a long break. I predicted he would come back once the dust settled and that he did. Would he have won the fights? Probably, but I want to see greatness challenged. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted May 25, 2013 1:23 pm 


sthomas

SRedmond, Doublesided thinking? Not at all. You are throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping some will stick. First off, you seem to think that since I am disappointed with some missed opportunities, I am not impressed with Floyd the fighter. That is far from the truth. In my estimation, he is the greatest p4p fighter going back to the mid 1980′s. 5-6 years ago there were a lot of forum topics about Roy Jones in his prime and Sweet Pea in his prime. and Floyd would get a sniff in those topics. The general consensus was that both Jones and Pea were greater than Floyd. I disagreed. Though Jones was the slightly better athlete, and Pea was a rare talent, neither was the entire package of skills, athletisim, and brains that Mayweather has demonstrated over his career. ………Scoff at Mayweathers super performance over Marquez, not at all. It was a great performance but one that favored Floyd due to the style matchup…….Vitali snapped an ACL prior to a fight in 2004 (Not the easiest injury to come back from) and Leonard, though I admire much of his career and would favor him in a welterfight vs Floyd, did his share of manipulation but a detached retina is not a joke. After Hatton Floyd chose to sit out during a great period for welterweights. So I guest the big difference between us has less to do with how great a fighter Floyd is, but my disappointment as a fan for some potentially great fights he did not make while you are fine with his opponent choices. My bottom line, I want to see greatness challenged.

Posted May 25, 2013 1:19 pm 


PEDcquiao ATG

How much Manny man juice does Reni swallow?

Posted May 25, 2013 12:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Tumbo, great discussion of “runners” below

Posted May 25, 2013 12:27 pm 


SREDMOND

St Thomas, it’s an illustration of your double sides thinking and 21 months proves to be a long rest, NOT retirement.. There was NO guarantee the world would receive Floyd with the fervor it had post ODH and Hatton… But what would be considered a liability for most fighters (21 months of accumulated rust didn’t stop him from taking 11-12 rounds off the then #2 P4P fighter in the world (Marquez) who subsequently fought his two most notable fights YEARS later at the same weight culminating in a cruel dispatching of the “Fighter of the Decade” at 39 years old… Yet you scoff at Mayweathers technical domination of Marquez?? Lennox Lewis, Calzaghe and Leonard ALL fought the same or fewer career bouts than FMJ absent a 21 month retirement… What about Vitalis 4 years off while his BROTHER cleaned out the division and the remnants of the best 90′s fighters died off??? You want to ding Floyd for 21 months how does this work? Leonard what 5 years off due to his eye?? Mayweather shows up at his best mentally he’s not one of these dolts or desperadoes… What about Floyd Mayweather facing jail, moving up in weight and facing 3 division Champ and HOFer Cotto? A guy who only had ONE unavenged loss on his record at the time..? Nevermind Floyd being 35 because it’s Floyd all challenges he has to surmount are dismissed in lieu of coddling his often younger opponents…

Posted May 25, 2013 12:26 pm 


te tumbo

Excellent point, TOMATO CAN.

Posted May 25, 2013 12:13 pm 


Tomato Can

Mayweather didn’t fight every available fighter out there. But in his defense many of the fighters he was supposedly ducking were/are managed by an enemy of the sport Bob Arum. If you look at it unbiasedly you’ll see that not one of Mayweathers fights are against Top Rank fighters. The Cotto fight didn’t happen until he split with Arum. Arum was never a willing promoter in any fight against Mayweather. He constantly lied, and postured before, during and after any negotiation…. That is the Arum factor and all fans should see that for what it was, by now…

Posted May 25, 2013 12:08 pm 


te tumbo

“Who knows if he would have beaten those guys @ 140lbs and 147lbs. He didn’t seem to pursue those fights so we’ll never know” preCisely. you can’t prove either argument trying to prove something that didn’t happen. based on what has actually happened, Mayweather has consistently prevailed in brilliant and dominant fashion v. a variety of quality and undefeated opponents who would be considered “too big” for any other fighter Floyd’s size. Mayweather’s dominance let’s some forget that Floyd is a lightweight dominating welters. if you enjoy reading about these great fighters in retrospect, it doesn’t compare to appreciating them Live and in real-time.

Posted May 25, 2013 12:07 pm 


te tumbo

C’monnn HIDALGO(?). you intentionally ignore that Baldomir had just demolished fan favorite Gatti (RiP) and had also claimed the titles that Judah had claimed from Spinks. almost derailing Floyd’s anticipated showdown v. Judah, which Floyd won, making Baldomir the most logical if not eagerly-anticipated opponent. Margarito would always be there or not. turned out he wasn’t and isn’t while Floyd keeps on rolling with barely a speed bump in sight.

Posted May 25, 2013 11:59 am 


Tim

I’ve heard a lot of fans give a TON of excuses for why he didn’t fight these different guys and that he would have beaten them anyway. But my philosophy is, you can’t give somebody credit for something they didn’t do. Plain and simple. Who knows if he would have beaten those guys @ 140lbs and 147lbs. He didn’t seem to pursue those fights so we’ll never know.

Posted May 25, 2013 11:56 am 


Tim

PBF is a great fighter, no doubt about that. But it does seem like PBF has very carefully selected his opponents since 135lbs. In my opinion, he has “angled” himself away from certain fighters over the years; at 140lbs, he angled away from Kostzu and Hatton. At 147lbs, there were a bunch; Margarito, Cotto, Williams, and Pacman. Now at 154lbs, it seems like he’s attempting to angle away from Canelo. I’ve heard a lot of his fans give

Posted May 25, 2013 11:55 am 


Tomato Can

Peej, agreed IPhone posting is horrific! But here I am attempting to do it again. Lol

Posted May 25, 2013 11:50 am 


sthomas

SRedmond. You’ve negelcted to address the spirit of my post. Love the Kits? No, but I have mentioned that for the last several years out of all the billions of people on Earth, noone has been able to beat them. I actually find 37 year old Wlad to be somewhat boring and Vit’s an old man by your standards. However, since the Haye fight I have been dissapointed with matchups, similar to my dissapointment with Floyd matchups. But the division is heating up now (Pvotkin next?) and if Wlad does not step up to the plate I will be commenting. By the way, what do the Kilt brothers have to do with Floyd’s retirement in 2008, while in his prime, when the welter division was hot? You say I discuss Pacman wtth reverence? Please. Your self serving hyperbole has been duely logged. Am I a fan of Pac? One of the most dynamic fighters ever? Hell yes! Was Marquez bloated vs Floyd? Of course he was. Was he in better physical condition vs Pac in fights 3-4 ? Yes. Did Marquez launch one of the greatest KO punches I’ve ever seen. Hell yes! Would Floyd beat the Marquez who KO’d Pacman in fight 4? Hell yes. Would Floyd have beat Pac in March of 09′? Probably, but that is one fight that had all the ingredients of legend, and it would have set the record for ppv. Your strawman deflection faills to address the crux of my only objection to Floyd the fighter and that is he’s managed not to make several great fights over the years. You put too much emphasis on Floyd’s age, he’s at the top of the class when it comes to ring intellegence and skill, and if anyone can deal with it Floyd can and will.

Posted May 25, 2013 11:29 am 


gold

“There isn’t an active welter who wouldn’t represent a ‘cherry’ for Floyd to pick.” Floyds ability to manage his career AND skillfully dismantle his opponents makes EVERY ONE he potentially chooses look ORDINARY!! WOW!! Floyds BUSINESS SAVVY, WORK ETHIC, SKILZ’ SET, and BRAVERY has another new BORING misinformed writer HATING to his hearts content!! Aint that something!? ….Thankfully SREDMOND, te tumbo, and Boxtra can hit em’ eloquently stating the obvious with absolute precision! This writer rates only Oscar and Castillo as the only true measuring sticks???!! What about Corrales, Hernandez, Manfredy, Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, etc. This writer thinks these guys are small slouchy cherries?! what a shame. GREATNESS will ALWAYS be ATTACKED by JEALOUSY & ENVY by BORED CRITICS that get high off of CRITICIZING!! Aint that something?

Posted May 25, 2013 11:21 am 


Publicenemyisdumb

Pugfan Leonard didn’t cherry pick Lightweights or Jr welterweights

Posted May 25, 2013 11:20 am 


PRdancer

IMO PFM has avoided a few boxers, especially Pacman when he started his beating the 147lbs best guys, at that time PFM didn’t want to deal with Pacman and hid behind steroids cloud, but avoiding Canelo or Pacman at this time doesn’t have to do with proving Greatness, Pacman past prime and Canelo too green,,,the only thing Canelo has on PFM is weight,,PFM has advantages in speed, skills, STAMINA, experience, talent, techinique, defense, etc,, PFM just proved that he is still close to Prime time, Canelo hasn’t prove any Greatness yet,,so why would it make PFM Great by beating him??? and Pacman might never be the same after Marquez KO plus lacks focus due to political career, PFM has nobody out there that is considered Great and prime to prove his Greatness,,,PFM proved his Greatness at 130lbs,,,no doubts,,,,after he went up things did change,,,,,but he is still above everyone else in skills and talent,,,,Peace

Posted May 25, 2013 11:19 am 


SREDMOND

Even Leonard booked the wins and looked superior ONLY during his prime… After his return bout against Hagler at 30 or so how did he look after? Not the same dominant fighter against even lessor foes than the ATG’s he beat… By 36 he was living off his name whereas FMJ is the SOLID #1 fighter and still undefeated… Ray had many years to rest his body and he NEVER fought as many guys as FMJ has yet his excellence was shortlived compared to FMJ’s… Am I dismissing wins over Hearns, Duran, Hagler and Benetiz?? No thats a Murderers row but FMJ is unbeatable at an age when Ray was long past looking like Superman…

Posted May 25, 2013 11:11 am 


Boxer

The reality is that Floyd’s fight with Ortiz,cotto,Shane,Guerrero, 2 of these guys were past their prime and let’s be real did we really think Ortiz or Guerrero had a chance? In reality no, now I’m a huge Floyd fan but he does duck certain opponents, margarito back in the day, pacman,Paul Williams, he won’t fight Canelo, who’s out there for him other then him?, Alexander?,Amir khan? C’mon Floyd, this sport is turning to damn wwe, now de la Hoya,Tito,sugar, they never ducked a fighter so I agree Floyd must stop cherry picking opponents.

Posted May 25, 2013 11:05 am 


Pops

Fioyds career has always been overhyped and cherry picked.

Posted May 25, 2013 11:04 am 


SREDMOND

Floyd CLOWNED the boxer who laid waste to Margarito after Tony was coming off his biggest “W” against Cotto… Mayweather took Mosleys best shots in the second round and turned the tables… Something even Margarito with his cast iron chin could not do… The same guys who are dismissing Floyd beating a very tough Cotto at 154 are lauding Trout and Canelo both of whom benefited greatly from Austin booking that win…Face it absent 1 punch KO power Floyd Mayweather is one of the most perfect pure boxers In The history of the sport and at 36 all guys can do is produce excuses and beg for him to trade or move up ANOTHER 2 divisions…

Posted May 25, 2013 10:34 am 


murderman

@ peej – you right. this real fraud hasnt won a fight since being exposed by brother nasim / mosley trainer for illegal hand wraps! I enjoyed watching floyd body rock that fool!

Posted May 25, 2013 10:27 am 


SREDMOND

Mayweathers “0″ is the fanatical preoccupation of every hater… They want a regression to the mean, a concrete example that he can be bested… Floyd’s gonna fight till he’s around 40, so time and boxing history favors him taking a loss… But then again Floyd’s a smarter, more disciplined athlete than Leonard, ODH and even Pacquiao who let the big lights, Politics and myriad other distractions open him up for the KO… Floyd’s focus and training is unmatched? While other clods spend 60% of camp melting down to a weight class they don’t really belong in, he is working on timing, stamina and skills… And it has shown almost flawlessly for 44 fights…

Posted May 25, 2013 10:26 am 


PEEJ

You know your a great fighter when people actually give you credit for just winning some rounds

Posted May 25, 2013 10:25 am 


PEEJ

Why do people keep bringing up Margacheatos name. The man is a cheat. His whole resume is suspect. People can say well there is no proof. Sure there is, once he got caught against Mosley, he was never effective nor looked good or won another fight.

Posted May 25, 2013 10:21 am 


murderman

@ adrian- Sir do you have cable or internet? Please lookup Pac’s interview on 1st take where he felt 40 mil wasnt enough to fight floyd and said no to the fight! Floyd offered pac refuse and there wasnt another offer made! Please sir get your facts together before you posts! Real talk!

Posted May 25, 2013 10:21 am 


Hidalgo

“at which point (as always), everyone would declare Margarito a severely-outclassed cherry and Mayweather a “boring” fighter.” Maybe, te tumbo. And it’s likely that Floyd would have beat him. But what a fight that would have been! Still, win or lose my point is that at the time Margarito was a bigger challenge and a better champion than Baldomir, but just as Adrian Broner is looking for an easy win and title from Paulie Malignaggi, Mayweather did the same thing when he fought Baldomir. He took the “safest” way to a welterweight championship that was available at the time. I mean let’s be real, at the time Mayweather fought Baldomir, Baldomir’s KO percentage was barely above what Malignaggi’s is now. And, Baldomir had already lost nine fights. And since losing to Floyd in 2006 Baldomir lost 5 of 11 fights. Baldomir was no Antonio Margarito. And that’s why Floyd fought Carlos instead of Antonio.

Posted May 25, 2013 10:14 am 


te tumbo

Btw, i can understand some fighters being characterized as “runners” but at most Floyd only backpedals until an opponent comes into range at which point he stops, “Pops!”, grapples and/or spins, counters, and repeats process, IF his opponent is lucky. or they could quickly become unlucky like Gatti, Baldomir, or Shane and be subjected to sustained punching drills from Mayweather. or notoriously unlucky like Ortiz and have their hug and smooch repaid with a KO punch to put them out of their misery. Mayweather is no “runner” and he’s only as “boring” as an MLB pitcher who consistently pitches shutouts and no-hitters. he’s a brilliant master of the fight-game and there is nobody more dedicated to preserving their mastery than Mayweather.

Posted May 25, 2013 10:12 am 


te tumbo

HIDALGO, nobody held Floyd’s feet to the fire more than myself during Margarito’s welter prime but even then i was confident that Mayweather could and would defeat Margarito. my desire was based purely on principle but it would’ve been a boring fight and UD win for Mayweather. at which point (as always), everyone would declare Margarito a severely-outclassed cherry and Mayweather a “boring” fighter. none of which would in any way alter the prominent “0″ of Floyd’s notoriously undefeated ring-record.

Posted May 25, 2013 10:00 am 


SREDMOND

Joe Kidd, your analysis of Mayweathers fighting style is at “BEST CHILDISH” the swollen faces of his opponents show he is NOT running… His elusiveness is part of the unbeatable package he has brought to the pro ranks for 17 years… I know I know he should fight like Gatti, Rios or Margarito… One of whom is dead and the other two almost guaranteed to experience early dementia… Floyd Mayweathers the BEST at hitting and not getting hit, but when pressed he had defused EVERY bomb out in front of him..Running is a whiners cry because he makes his opponents look like fools, if they could evade they would also…

Posted May 25, 2013 9:58 am 


SREDMOND

Joe Kidd, get your facts straight Mosley took care of Margarito and then Floyd took care of Mosley coming off that HUGE KO win the only one of Margo’s career…Mayweather ate Marquez like a tic tac and over the course of 8 years Manny thru 4 fights NEVER was able to take care of JMM…

Posted May 25, 2013 9:52 am 


SREDMOND

St Thomas, you love the Klits who are NOT EVEN facing World Class opponents these days.. Charr, Pianeta, Wach, Mormeck, 41 year old prior KO vic Thompson… Meanwhile in his 30′s Mayweather has beed defeated fellow HOFers and multi-weight Champions… He spots Guerreo 7 years, Cotto 4 years, Ortiz 10 years and peeps are discussing Canelo with a potential 14 but there’s always an excuse…You say “a YOUNGER Marquez was bloated” well he looked damn good in the 3rd PAC Man fight and then knocked Manny out of the top of boxing at 39….But Floyd not letting him
Win a second of the fight means nothing?? You discuss PAC with reverence but some of Pacs most notable wins were guys FMJ already beat with no stipulations… Hatton was masterfully outboxed then blown off a ring post by Mayweather first…If he fights Canelo do you REALLY think that kids gonna be the favorite despite his 20 pounds? Mayweather gives most guys 12 rounds to land the big one and they can NEVER do it…

Posted May 25, 2013 9:49 am 


Hidalgo

The more I watch Floyd Mayweather Jr. fight, the more I am impressed with his boxing skills. I am even more impressed with his business and marketing savvy. The man is not a multi-millionaire and highest paid athlete in the world for nothing. But he does fight “safe” and he does “cherry-pick.” There’s no two ways about it. Ever since Floyd had his financial record-breaking “fight” with Oscar de la Hoya, Floyd has had the power and ability to make the fights he wants to make. If anybody doesn’t realize this by now, they have not been keeping up with boxing, and especially with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Thing is, shortly after Floyd bought out his contract from Bob Arum back in 2006 he was already proving that he had the ability and power to make the fights he wanted to make. Case in point: While Floyd was with Top Rank in 2006, Arum wanted him to fight Antonio Margarito in August of that year for a guaranteed purse of $8 million dollars. However, Floyd did not want to take the fight. Leonard Ellerbe, Floyd’s spokesman, said Floyd would not be ready to fight by August because he was recovering from a hand injury he suffered in his fight with Zab Judah. Yet, in November 2006, just three months later when Floyd was completely healed and ready to fight again, he decided to fight Carlos Baldomir, instead of Antonio Margariot for exactly one $1.00 more than he would have got for fighting Antonio Margarito: $8,000.001.00. Floyd could have fought Antonio in November but he chose the light hitting, multi-loss Baldomir instead. A lot of thought went into this choice.

At the time Margarito was not known as the cheater as he is today. He was universally recognized as one of the most toughest, fearless, and best welterweights at the time. Although he lost several times early in his career, from 1995 through 2006, Margarito had fought 27 fights winning 18 by KO (or TKO), and suffered only one loss due to a Technical Decision caused by a headbutt in favor of Daniel Santos. Floyd had the opportunity to fight Margarito but he passed it up in favor of the safer, less dangerous Carlos Baldomir. BTW, in 2006 Margarito, like Baldomir was also a welterweight champion. Margarito had been holding the WBO belt for several years prior to when Floyd fought Carlos.

That’s just one example. I can find and demonstrate more of Floyd’s cherry-picking and “safe” fights but there’s not enough room nor does anyone have the desire to read such a windy post at this time. Bottom line though is that Floyd is not the “GOAT.” He’s not the greatest because he has often passed up the opportunity to fight the best opponent available. When he does that, and consistently does so, then it will be fair to start labeling him as the “GOAT.”

Posted May 25, 2013 9:48 am 


JoeKidd

I notice posters discarding potential threats to Floyd simply because other fighters dismantled them. JMM took care of Floyd’s business by putting Pacquiao to sleep? Pacquiao took care of Floyd’s business by destroying Margarito? Father time took care of Shane Mosely? Fact is, Floyd does not take care of business unless he has no where to run! He has to fight SOMEBODY eventually! Hopkins & Floyd define this era of boxing. Pussies!

Posted May 25, 2013 9:46 am 


te tumbo

there isn’t an active welter who wouldn’t represent a cherry for Floyd to pick. however, the primary problem for is that they lack the PPV-appeal that makes $ens$e to Floyd. also, Mayweather isn’t going to squander his unique skills and talent and shift into demolition-derby mode just to satisfy his butt-hurt Haters with bloody spectacles. nor is he stupid enough to charge into the right hands of an opponent nicknamed “Dinamita”. that’s Pacquiao* and look where that got him. he can’t even afford to face Marquez for a 5th matchup to redeem his DEVASTATING loss and has priced himself out that matchup to fight Rios in China instead. unlike Punkuiao*, Mayweather ain’t going out like a promotional fraud desperate to avoid his primary P4P rivals. in fact, he’s transformed his entire division into a virtual cherry orchard. Mayweather has no rivals and there isn’t a single welter who poses a legitimate threat to his welter dominance.

Posted May 25, 2013 9:43 am 


JoeKidd

@SREDMOND…Floyd makes you put your hands in your pocket because it is very diffult to run and punch at the same time! Then when you catch him, he hugs. Need a Tommy Hearns against this guy. Biggest problem in fighting Floyd is how do you corner him! Even Sugar Ray stops to fight.

Posted May 25, 2013 9:36 am 


JoeKidd

Not just the cherry-picking, the guy refuses to engage! Mayweather does not capture the imagination. Whitaker is most comparable to him and Whitaker had more balls. He wins his fights but if all boxers were like him, boxing would be dead!

Posted May 25, 2013 9:32 am 


sthomas

Go back to mid-year 2007. Floyd had beat Oscar earlier and signed to fight Hatton in December. The Hatton fight was a great business move and a potentially good fight but Floyd was heavily favored. It was a low risk high reward fight. I think it was the right fight for Floyd to make. Meanwhile the welterweight division was hot. Cotto vs Mosley was happening, Paul Williams was undefeated, Margarito was formidible, Clottey was viable, Cintron was a talented underacheiver. After the Hatton win, Floyd opts to temporarily retire rather than defend his welterweight title. Cotto would have been the perfect opponent at the time as he had just beat Mosely. Other great fights in that division could have been made……… At that time I stated that Floyd was not retired, but in fact sitting on the sidelines waiting for all these welterweights to beat the crap out of each other and then when the time was right he would come back for a megafight. I called it the Mayweather Sweepstakes. I was only half right though as a little guy named Pacman started making big waves. Floyd targeted Pacman, beat a bloated Marquez, and then was on the brink of signing the Pacman fight, negaotiations were going surprisingly smoothly until Floyd dropped the drug testing bomb. From that point forward, Floyd has been playing games. Great for Floyds business, not so great for us the fans.

Posted May 25, 2013 9:19 am 


SREDMOND

Volume Punchers dont produce “volume” against Mayweather who as Malignaggi says makes them put their hands in their pockets… Nobody’s gonna last throwing 1000 largely in accurate blows against Mayweather he would turn them to hamburger..The only formula is OLD age, at 147 he’s unstoppable..

Posted May 25, 2013 9:18 am 


Hidalgo

“The guy who wrote this “article” is a Chicago guy, Hidalgo or Hecdog´s brother??” LOL @ Ghetto thug. You never have anything to say except for sarcastic one-line quips or insulting barrages. Why don’t you back up your jives and jabs with meaningful conversation or argument? At least once in a while? I know it’s tough for you with your hunt-and-peck-five-word-per-minute typing skills, and your curb-level mentality. But you could try.

Posted May 25, 2013 9:17 am 


SREDMOND

Exiled Yank, that’s an excellent quote you unearthed that sows Valenzuela’s a desperate ESB writer using Mayweathers name to get his “thread count” up… The fact he’s still trying to sell Pacquaio as a viable threat when people are holding their breath to see if he can defeat Rios in impressive fashion brands this guy a mere hack…

Posted May 25, 2013 9:14 am 


Anonymous

Ahh look, if there’s one thing sure to bring the one-fight-a-year semi-literate casual fan comments out in force it’s Floyd Mayweather. It’s almost as if the crap writers on here a) don’t know about any other boxers or b) just want to get people commenting on their article so it looks good

Posted May 25, 2013 8:56 am 


pugfan

I keep waiting for Floyd to run into his Terry Norris the way Leonard did, but it’s not happening. apparently Floyd is ageing gracefully. more gracefully then Leonard did anyway. Floyd dose have a pretty good resume, however I feel he could have fought some of these guys a little closer to or still in their prime. you could say the same thing about some other fighters too, not just Floyd. I would liked to have seen Floyd vs. Cotto before Cotto’s wars with Margarito and Paquiao. I would like to have seen Floyd fight a younger De La Hoya, but one could say the same thing about Paquiao’s fight with Oscar.

Posted May 25, 2013 8:15 am 


h8er

Floyd should have fought a prime mike Tyson or a prime ali. maybe the h8ers would be satisfied then

Posted May 25, 2013 8:11 am 


scorpio2383

Q, you are making excuses for Floyd and the guys you mentioned are ass-kisser like you and Floyd is cowarding behind you, so you can act like an internet tough guy. You failed to bury the truth that I say because you are living in your fantasy world. If my negative opinions doesn’t matter to you, your opinions don’t matter to me.

Posted May 25, 2013 7:53 am 


RapidOne08

He’s jus tryna hype the Canelo fight with his cheating ass weight advantage. Lmao but that’s how far ppl will go to see him lose

Posted May 25, 2013 7:47 am 


Exiled Yank

A direct quote from Reni M. Valenzuela: “If the manner by which Robert “The Ghost” defeated Andre Berto in November last year would be an indicator to judge the outcome of the Guerrero-Mayweather bout tomorrow, the current pound-for-pound king could be in unique trouble because the ‘dethroned’ Berto has a chin stronger than that of Money Floyd.” It doesn’t sound like ole Reni was accusing FM of cherry-picking the night before the fight. This is shoddy, pop journalism at its best.

Posted May 25, 2013 7:39 am 


Ivan Drago

I MUST BREAK YOU !!!!!

Posted May 25, 2013 7:18 am 


Rocky Balboa

…I’m also waiting for red ridinghood Canelo. If they’re to scared I fight both him an Floyd at the same time. 2mil. each!!! Or am I too greedy???

Posted May 25, 2013 7:11 am 


Rocky Balboa

As long as Floyd doesn’t fight me, he’ll never be an all time great. He’s ducking me for years now!!!!

Posted May 25, 2013 7:03 am 


Popkins

Q…As they say, styles make fights. And pressure fighters, with high workrates have a chance of outworking Floyd (or anyone for that matter), and hustling him out of a 12 round decision. Using a similar gameplan look at how Calzaghe managed to spoil Hopkins’ slick boxing skills, by simply overwhelming him with his 1000 punch a fight attacking style. The peak versions of Marg and Pac were relentlessly aggressive, had superb stamina and were two of the highest volume punchers around at the time. They may not be technically as gifted as floyd but they could have potentially neutralised his skills with a busy punch output.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:56 am 


Popkins

Q…you make some good points. I don’t doubt Mosley is a better fighter than Margarito. And Floyd may well have beaten the prime Antonio too. But the fact is, the boxing world wanted Marg v Mayweather a few years ago, but Money was reluctant to accept the fight. He may just have suspected that Marg’s high volume punching style would have caused him some problems so didn’t fancy it, but we will never know. Cotto is still an excellent fighter, not shot at all, but the pre-Marg version was fresher and had that undefeated, hungry meantality. Miguel will never be a big light -middleweight, but he’s a good sized welter. It’s a shame we never go to see him battle Floyd at that point of his career.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:44 am 


German Blitz

Rios doesn’t rip up either. Zzzzzz.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:43 am 


German Blitz

Ok, name changers, and what not…. I’ll say one thing… Manny Vs. FMJ should have happened. FMJ Vs. PW.. I’ll throw that out… zero reward. in the MP bout, there was a reward.. but both sides screwed that, but notice who the legend is, it’s FMJ…. because at the end of the day Manny didn’t fight FMJ just like FMJ didn’t fight MP. But the legendary legend who is considered superior, get’s the brunt. But hey, Manny has struggled with JMM for 10 years up to getting iced. If he comes back and rips Rios to shreds, and… even… stop a guy who takes shots, but seems like you can’t stop him… the spark will be back in the MP Vs. FMJ bout… if Arum will make it happen.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:40 am 


Q

I’m out.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:34 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Its true. Floyd Mayweather Jr is a fine boxer with skills and have won some fine fights BUT he will never be recognised as an all time great with his way to play the gamer. Cherry pick your opponents all the time and never fight opponents that are truly thretning just don’t sell it in the end. I mean he turned away like from Manny “Pac-Man” Paquiao and Paul “The Punisher” Williams are the best examples when they where r5anked as the planets most dangerous fighters a few short years bhack and people wanted to see Mayweather Jr fight both men but he was silent and wished not to be tested against them. Just to fight opponents you know you can win against is just not enough to become a GREAT boxer.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:33 am 


Q

But I’ll also add that throughout the history of boxing, high risk ZERO reward bouts have been kick the the side. Williams was a high risk ZERO reward unknown by general fans fighter. This is nothing new. Paul’s size was his biggest strength, but… he did lost to QUitana… you know.. somethings gotta give.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:33 am 


Q

BEARS: Oh behave. The only fight that should have really been made, that was just never even on the table, is the Paul Williams bout. Other than that, the rest is BS. AM is a glove loader, Floyd 11-12ved the guy that beat the crap out of him, that counts for something, Cotto’s team declined the bout and Floyd still eventually fought him (giving him at 14+ pound advantage “in this contract”) …and who else? Then you have the Manny bout, and Manny and company had their hand in it, they wanted to play mind games and be hateful.. Arum and crew… but they grossly overestimated the longevity of Manny. Floyd never said he’d fight Sergio at 154, cut it out, jaja. Meanwhile… if Sergio wants to come to 154, and Canelo wants to prove himself…. hey, they should fight, but then again Sergio should fight GGG, and Canelo should clean out 154, he won’t fight Lara. There is lots of BS going on that has nothing to do with the ATG FMJ. Goodnight people.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:26 am 


Q

scorpio2383: Tell it to Robert Garcia, Mickey Garcia, Paulie Malignaggi, and the trainer of Fernando Vargas, who say that Floyd is the greatest fighter of all time. (it surprised the heck out of me, but hey.. if they can believe that, I’ll believe with them? jja)

Posted May 25, 2013 6:22 am 


Q

Popkins: and we can say if Paquiao wanted the fight it would have happened. He’s agreeing to testing now after getting iced, but before.. he wanted to play games, it takes two to tango. As far as AM goes, he had no prime, he had loaded gloves as far as people should be concerned. He’s like the Berto of Mexico for Floyd. Shane beat his ass and fought Floyd, Cotto beat his ass and got Floyd. Stop Margarito, fight FMJ. And let’s NOT forget this very important fact, are you all ready? Margarito fought Shane Mosely 6 months after he plastered in Cotto’s face. Six months. And Shane beat him left backwards and sideways, and stopped him. And Floyd fought Shane AFTER that bout…. so if AM was so bad ass, and prime this prime that, then give Shane his props, because he fought AM immediately after the Cotto/AM bout. Something’s gotta give “haters” ..what’s what?

Posted May 25, 2013 6:19 am 


BEARS

Floyd should’ve fought paul williams as well. But he ducked that height and reach. And paul was undefeated at he time. Floyd said he would fight serj martinez at 154 and serj said he would do it. Never happened. That’s a second superfight floyd failed to make. At the time he should’ve fought undefeated paul williams that would’ve been huge. There’s just so much floyd should’ve done but what did do was fake retire, cherry pick, and duck. That’s the facts. If u don’t see it, doesn’t matter, I do and so do many

Posted May 25, 2013 6:14 am 


Q

Popkins: ATG boxer. Cotto’s team declined the bout. Cotto got the fight, and with a 14+ pound advantage. What did Cotto lose with the years? some speed, some grit? What did he gain? a 14+ pound advantage? and you’re going to cry for him? ok. Props to FMJ for fighting these big guys with elite skills and owning them.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:13 am 


Q

BEARS: No…. looked like Canelo either gassed or was hurt to the body… it was rather clear.. he started backing up… he was focusing strictly on moving without even throwing back in spurts… because he was either tired or not skilled enough. His speed is good however, his mix of speed and pop won it for him, because the lighter punching Trout couldn’t take advantage after he gassed and wouldn’t really commit. He gassed, I’ll watch the fight again.. but Canelo clearly gassed, that’s what I though I honestly saw… it wasn’t taken advantage of, but the guy gassed, jaja. And yeah, we’ll see in his next bout perhaps, depends on who he fights.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:09 am 


Popkins

Margarito, a prime Cotto and Pacquaio… Mayweather should have fought all three of these guys, and they’d have been excellent fights, ones that pretty much all boxing fans wanted too. If Floyd had wanted them, they’d have happened. Although dangerous fights for him, Mayweather was capable of winning these fights, but I guess he thought the risk/reward wasn’t worth it, so yes you could argue he avoided them. But even so, he’s still fought an incredible list of talented fighters over the years, and all in all IS a GREAT boxer.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:07 am 


Q

Oscar is charted as taller and with a longer reach than Trout, and obviously he was a harder puncher. I know it’s Mayorga, but go an watch that fight please, and tell me him beating a 4 round gassing Canelo, is a “no way” …you just want to fight the possibility of it being possible or even likely because you want to discredit Floyd, jajaa… you can’t say that that ODH beats this Canelo, because that would be taking a bit of gas out of the Canelo boat. ODH didn’t have a problem fighting at 154 physically. That makes a difference also. He’s not a small little guy.

Posted May 25, 2013 6:05 am 


BEARS

You seriously just said gueerero filled out completely at 147? Bahahahahahaahah! Dude will never be a factor at 147 and he never was one. Guerrero is a feather fist with one of the poorest stoppage rates I have ever seen and that’s at much lower weight! But I guess since guerrero is so “complete” at 147 we will see more of him there

Posted May 25, 2013 6:01 am 


BEARS

I don’t think canelo gassed. I think he smoked trout and trout seemed to be keeping his arms stretched out in a feeble atempt to keep canelo off. Trout could land NOTHING. Canelos lightning speed nullified and neutralized trouts HEIGHT AND REACH. Canelo looked like he wasn’t in a fight. Trout got dropped and did the harlem shuffle before dropping. Canelos spped and movement was outstanding. Does canelo have stamina issues? I don’t think so. I think his next fight will show I’m right. What was most impressive about canelo was his power his speed was very impressive and his movement

Posted May 25, 2013 5:57 am 


Q

hookoffthejab: Ok, I may have crapped the bed on that one, but at least on one card they were tied when the injury occurred. He was in that bout, with a 140lb great.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:52 am 


Q

Bears: you see, that’s the problem, you damn “haters” can’t even agree on anything. Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing) list Bradley as a guy FMJ should fight. And hey I agree, and you’re trying to say Bradley is damaged goods after a win against another good fighter in which he had to get off the canvas? And you’re going to tell me he needs another fight before getting a bout with Mayweather? Well if you’d brush yourself up on boxing you’d know he’s about to fight the man that just iced Manny Pacquiao, JMM. If he beats JMM of course he should get the FMJ bout. He does still also have that win against MP.. although controversial. You really think ODH that fought FMJ, the one was coming off that walk away against a tough but also done Mayorga? You think that a not drained 154 ODH….. wouldn’t beat the guy that gassed in 4 rounds against Trout the other month? What would have happened then? I think the ODH that FMJ fought, with that left hook still in tact as he showed in the prior fight, would have stopped Canelo of today, who gasses in 4 rounds.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:49 am 


hookoffthejab

Q ..Sharmba Mitchell – This man almost beat Kostya?? really what with his BAD breath ?…….

Posted May 25, 2013 5:44 am 


BEARS

No way would that oscar beat canelo today and I bet oscar would say the same

Posted May 25, 2013 5:42 am 


BEARS

Floyd bs bradley would be garbage. Provodnikov dribled bradly off the canvas. Prov dropped bradley and then bradley transitioned into a full on reverse FACEPLANT. There’s no way I give that fight to the badly concussioned dropped in serial fashion bradley. Bradley is most likely damaged goods and waiting for his coup de grat. Bradley needs to fight someone else before getting slayed by floyd

Posted May 25, 2013 5:42 am 


Q

Furthermore, I think the ODH that won 3 rounds against FMJ those years ago would beat Canelo Alvarez today. What do you think about that?

Posted May 25, 2013 5:36 am 


Q

I never wrote that Corrales was his best win, just posting more of Diego’s credentials since I’m reading things that seem to imply he was a journeyman or something. You little boys don’t know a thing about boxing. I see what you’re saying however in part. Floyd has a stunning resume, but he doesn’t have a great big centerpiece. Lucas Matthysse, Timothy Bradley and Canelo Alvarez… are not those pieces… they would and will be just more sterling pieces on Floyd’s resume. Corrales was also more accomplished than anything Canelo has proven to be, that’s for certain. Bradley doesn’t have a win against a guy like a Diego Corrales. I think you guys should go watch Corrales Vs. Castillo to get a brush up.. those guys were legit. JLC was more impressive than AM, and look at all the smoke you guys blow up his buttocks. You people are …people.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:35 am 


Q

16) Jose Luis Castillo – One of the couple greatest lightweights of his era period. Floyd fought him in his first fight up. Won with some naysayers, then won again right away in clearer fashion.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:31 am 


Q

1) Roberto Guerrero — Filed out completely at 147 if your eyes function. Had already won two fights against strong WW’s and had been a WW a year before fighting FMJ. Multi division champion.
2) Cotto – 14+ pound weight advantage and still an elite fighter (especially against a man 14 pounds lighter and not a 170 pounder) Great win
3) Ortiz – #1 rated WW under MP at the moment, fought a Mayweather coming off a layoff, also has on his resume a controversial draw to Lamont Peterson (yes Lucas just beasted him but he can have his turn)
4) Mosely – Coming off his most impressive win a many years, the #1 rated WW under MP at that moment, had just slayed the big bad wolf
5) JMM – completely dominated 12-0 undeniable fashion. Recently accepted the fact that he can’t beat FMJ and he would not want a rematch, stating that “everyone saw what happened in 2009, we don’t need a rematch”
6) Hatton – Floyd started his career two divisions smaller than Hatton and has won two divisions higher than where Hatton started. Hatton was considered and hailed as Floyd’s biggest threat for the style, and he actually made his mark with making Kostya quit on his stool.
7) ODLH — 14+ pound advantage, coming off a big win, if one guy gets a pass for being smaller than Floyd, how does Floyd not get credit for his clear win against a much larger fighter? Nobody actually thinks ODH won that fight unless they really don’t like FMJ and would sit and make a big list just to criticize him. Oscar won 3 rounds maximum, and nobody cared to see a rematch (maybe some Mexicans thought Oscar won, beats me)
8) Judah – Former lineal champion of the division. Super fast, really good puncher, champion class fighter. Has a win against Lucas while past his prime, but got owned against FMJ while in his prime. Nuff said.
9) Sharmba Mitchell – This man almost beat Kostya (a legend) in the first bout, but suffered a knee injury. World champion, but still, he was used as a division tester for Floyd’s first fight at the weight.
10) Gatti — Gatti was having the best stint of his career, incorporating boxing skills and looking better than every technically, a big name warrior, everybody isn’t going to be a super fighter on the list, but good opponent.
11) Corey – Terrific fighter, almost stopped Cotto in the first round I believe. Very solid fighter (don’t be tricked by L’s in a column)
12) Jesus Chavez – high level fighter and one of the bigger wins on a guys like Erik Morales resume.
13) Carlos Hernandez – good fighter and one of the bigger wins on a fighter like Erik Morales resume
14) Corrales — Very very good fighter, and he was an elite fighter unless you don’t know anything at all about boxing. He was a high rated P4Per rated higher than FMJ and was favored to win. He fought Floyd in his prime, I don’t know about stacking up losses at the end of his career. He also has losses to guys like Joel Casamayor… learn about boxing.
15) Genaro Hernanez – Not the most impressive win on Floyd’s resume, but another great win against another elite world class fighter. He’d never lost at that division.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:28 am 


BEARS

If corrales was floyds best oponent you pretty much confirm what were saying. Floyd has thrived on past its and not such good fighters. Of course corralles is not greater than oscar and mosely or marquez. But the first two were past it and floyd played the much advantaged big man against marquez. So your probably close to right, floyds first big fight, castillo or coralles are probably his best fights and that’s SAD. He has had so much available to him in terms of great fights his timing and cherry picking ruined it, and the ducking

Posted May 25, 2013 5:22 am 


Adrian

Lol yeah corales who was stoped by casamayor ? Lol …corales was good but he wasn’t great not even close …he couldn’t take punches well at all and was easy to hit

Posted May 25, 2013 5:20 am 


BEARS

Adrian- I. Liked the timing and avoidence post. Concise and mirrors my thoughts. You have some ver consistent and solid good objective posting

Posted May 25, 2013 5:15 am 


BEARS

This guy just said corrales was floyds best win

Posted May 25, 2013 5:13 am 


Adrian

Thanks bear, yeah and he says “and counting” lol but not counting PAC hahahaha

Posted May 25, 2013 5:11 am 


BEARS

I asked for floyds single best win in your list. Giving me his general list of fights is not what I asked for. I know all the fighters. Answer the question or are you ducking it like your duck idol floyd. Quak quak here quak quak there…………..who is floyds single best opponent????

Posted May 25, 2013 5:11 am 


Hecdog

Mayweather’s fight record impressive? Really? Let’s see, Cotto old, Oscar old, Hatton horrible, Jesus Chavez, ha ha? Gatti, ha ha really? Sharmba Mitchel, ha ha? Carlos Hernandez, really, ha ha ha. So, we have a bunch of old fighters, one dimensional fighters and nobodies. And you dare call him great? Wow! He avoided Mosely in his prime, Oscar in his prime, Margarito in his prime, Pacquiao in his prime and plenty of other guys. Sorry gentlemen, Floyd is a good fighter, but no matter how you look at it, he avoided the best, and cherry picked the guys to make money. Marquez on or near a Mexican holiday as was Oscar, as was Cotto, as was Guerrero, as was Ortiz. He is a smart man, I’ll give him that because on his own without fighting a guy that has no following, he draws flies. Hearns by KO, Duran by KO, Leonard by KO, Benitez by UD, Chavez Sr by KO, Sweet pea Whitaker by UD, Sugar Shane in his prime by KO, Oscar in his prime by KO, Sugar Ray Robinson by KO. The decision is in. Floyd Mayweather a good boxer, but far from greatness as are the guys I mentioned.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:10 am 


Q

Diego Corrales: 33-0 (27 by ko mostly within 5 rounds) undefeated – rated P4P higher than FMJ – the favorite (lost a shut out stoppage.. but wanted to keep fighting) – Two-Division Champion. Goodnight people.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:08 am 


BEARS

Adrian- that was very aptly put, well said. I agree

Posted May 25, 2013 5:06 am 


Adrian

Yeah he “would have fought PAC” hahahahahahaha

He never did …bye bye goodnight hahahaha

Posted May 25, 2013 5:05 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

The Mayflower fan-boys claim he’s one of the greatest of all time, if not the GOAT, based on the following victories. But take a closer look as those opponents when Floyd fought them:

1) Roberto Guerrero — Undersized Featherweight and LW Champion who just moved up to WW, but had not yet proven anything at that weightclass.
2) Cotto – Was definitely past his prime and on the down slope of his career.
3) Ortiz – A flash-in-the-pan nobody who beat a hype-job like Berto, so Floyd thought he was easy pickins.
4) Mosely – Old and way past his prime.
5) JMM – A smaller Feather, Super Feather and LW Champion who just moved up in weight to fight Floyd.
6) Hatton – A small 140lb fighter with short arms who was overrated due to fighting tin cans for the first 10 years of his career.
7) ODLH — Way past his prime and at the end of his career. A lot of people, including myself, think that Oscar actually won that fight.
8) Judah – Not an elite class fighter. More like B + class.
9) Sharmba Mitchell – Who? Who cares? Nobody will remember that name.
10) Gatti — Was at the end of his career and was never elite class anyway – like Judah.
11) Corey – 20 career losses! Need I say more?
12) Jesus Chavez – 7 career losses, not an elite class fighter just like Gatti and Judah.
13) Carlos Hernandez – 8 career losses and not elite class, like the aforementioned fighters.
14) Corralles — Very good fighter, but not elite class as he was racking-up the losses before he died.
15) Genaro Hernanez – Believe it or not, probably the most impressive win on Floyd’s resume. What does that tell you???

The reality is that Floyd has built his over-hyped career by carefully cherry-picking smaller men and former washed-up champions in the twilight of their careers. Want to impress me and the other die-hard fans??? Finish your career with HONOR by fighting the best out there right now. If Floyd is truly great, he will finish with Canelo, Matthysse, Triple G, PacMan, Garcia, Bradley or Maravilla. Anything else will be a MAJOR disappointment and will only reinforce millions of fans’ perception of him as being the master cherry-picker. But knowing Floyd, he’ll probably take the path of least resistance by choosing easy pay-days like Khan and Yo Paulie. Prove us wrong, Floyd!!!

Posted May 25, 2013 5:05 am 


Q

AND COUNTING. Goodnight.

Posted May 25, 2013 5:02 am 


Q

“Pacquiao would have gotten a fight with Floyd if he won his last 2 fights… Everything was agreed to and Pacquiao had only recently agreed to the purse-split requirements before he was KO’d. The only thing Pac had to do was beat Marquez—a guy he never really beat in 4 meetings. Floyd was already a great fighter before he knocked out Genaro Hernandez to win his first world title. Hernandez said, “I’ll have to be at my very best. Mayweather is a great young fighter.” So 8 world championships in 5 divisions later, with 6 years ranked as the world’s greatest fighter—if Floyd isn’t great nobody ever was … Many consider Floyd the greatest ever—and with justification.

Mayweather’s list of defeated opponents is the most spectacular ever — Oscar De La Hoya: Six-Division World Champion… Zab Judah: Five-time World Champion in 2 weight divisions… Shane Mosley: Three-Division World Champion… Miguel Cotto: Five-time World Champion in 3 weight divisions… Diego Corrales: undefeated 33-0 World Champion… Ricky Hatton: undefeated 43-0 Two-Division World Champion… Juan Manuel Marquez: Five-Division World Champion… Roberto Guerrero: Five-Division World Champion… Arturo Gatti: Two-Division World Champion… Victor Ortiz: World Chamion… Sharmba Mitchell: World Champion… DeMarcus Corley: World Champion… Genaro Hernandez: World Champion… Carlos Hernandez: World Champion… Jesus Chavez: Two-Division World Champion.

Fifteen opponents who held World Campionships and 5 who were at least 3-Division World Champions … Add to that: Floyd is the highest paid athlete in the WORLD. He holds the PPV record, and is the world’s greatest drawing card.” I think he’s the greatest ever, I really think so. – Robert Garcia

Posted May 25, 2013 5:01 am 


Adrian

Q> to me mayweather when it comes to boxing skllls I consider him ATG
But the timing he fought his opponent and the picking he did and the avoidment he did during his carrier he i don’t even consider him a p4p let alone ATG !!!!

Posted May 25, 2013 5:00 am 


Q

Adrian: Like which ones? but wait, you’re only comparing him to other ATGs now? How ironic, jaja. Ok. And yes I’m giving Kostya credit for his win, what are you writing? My point is that barring that KO, Kostya got the lights boxed out of him that first round, which tells you something. He wasn’t dominated, he got stopped though, and yes had he not jumped up like that, being a mental midget, he would have recuperated I’m 99% sure. He was 100% fine after the second fall, jaja.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:55 am 


roots

WHO THE HELL CARE WHAT ANOTHER BEANO THINKS, FLOYD HAS MADE A CAREER OF KICKING THEIR ASSES, SO THEY ARE BITTER.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:52 am 


BEARS

Q-who’s floyds sngle best opponent?

Posted May 25, 2013 4:51 am 


Adrian

Q>>> stinks compare to all ATG !!!!janajajajaja…

Posted May 25, 2013 4:50 am 


Adrian

Now you say tzu was an ATG (wich he was) but than you still don’t give him credit stoping Judah ,why?? Zab didn’t lose the fight because he “jump right back ” he lost because he got cought and got droped ,that’s that forget about “out boxing “him please give the man a credit will you please…

Posted May 25, 2013 4:49 am 


Q

BEARS: You’re criticizing Floyd’s opponents to having losses? but then you all say “that 0 doesn’t mean anything”? Nice. The best fighters in the sport today have loses… Lucas has losses and he’s more deserving than Canelo who has no loses. I don’t see your point… and I think you have ‘Diego’ confused with some other fighter… I don’t know what you’re referring to. Ok ok… goodnight dude, go and cry to Robert Garcia the trainer of the year 2012 who was just interviewed saying that FMJ is the greatest fighter of all time. Mickey Garcia said it… Pauli Malignnagi said it, and the trainer of Fernando Vargas said it. Take that seriously. Those are the people who know boxing. This article is a spectacle nothing more.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:49 am 


Q

Adrian: Floyd’s record stinks compared to whose? jajaja. Ok, goodnight.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:44 am 


BEARS

Ol “errectemundo”…………………that is definetly the funniest thing I have read on east side for a couple months!!!! Very good material there!!! Lol! You get 5 stars for that post correctemundo troll!!!! TARK- I seriously can’t believe how u talked up mayweather. Dudes were past it mutiple loss opponents primarily accept corrales. You know diego, the guy that blocked punches with his face and tired his opponents out by letting them punch his face. Lol. My god you even talked up gueerero and ortiz. UTTER GARBAGE! Gueerero lost to diaz and salido was nothing at 147 and never will be anything at 147. When floyd wants to cherry pick I guess everyone and the sanctioning bodies get behind it. Must be the money. Guerrero fights berto and he’s the mandatory?!?! Bahahahahahahah!!! Garbage. And the floyd sack garglers act like this is legit! These people actually call pacman fans pactards? I will tell u who seems retarded. All you “errectemundo’s” out there. Of course floyd can do no wrong you all are errect and wanking feverishly to your floyd poster on the wall with tears gushing out as you have this article pulled with the title FLOYDS A CHERRY PICKER as you get closer to climax your saying “say it ain’t so floyd, say it ain’t so”

Posted May 25, 2013 4:42 am 


Q

Adrian: Did you watch the fight? Yes.. he school Baldomir… it was one of Floyd’s worst performances ever to me, because he broke his hand and had to move a lot, when usually he just side steps and such… but before that he was really peppering the guy. It was a technical schooling, Baldomir wasn’t even in the fight at all ever in any way. Zab lost to a considered ATG 140er in KZ.. but if you watched the fight, that all was a question of boxing, and Zab’s mental midgetness. He wasn’t THAT hurt, but he jumped back up right away to show bravado and prompted the ref to stop it (then he was completely ok again right away, jaja) furthermore, if you watch that bout.. the first round Zab completely outboxed Kostya and it looked like it was going to be a boxing shut out. Floyd is a boxer and that was his second fight at the weight against Zab… he outboxed and brawled and ruffed up Zab without being a one shot to turn it type of fighter, and Zab won about the first 2 rounds IMO… that fight turned dramatically in the 3rd or 4th round with Floyds intense body attack, stop exaggerating, jaja. you lose all credibility. Also, Cory Spinx was the lineal champion, and Zab came back in the rematch and walked through him.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:41 am 


Adrian

Q > I always said mayweather is an amazing talent but his record and picking opponents stinks BIG TIME and it should have too,that’s all!!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:38 am 


Q

Adrian: Your Guerrero Vs. Pac reference doesn’t make any sense grammatically, and I’m guessing English is not your first language… I’m guess you’re a Pilipino or an immigrant from somewhere else. Do you want to know what I would have thought about Manny fighting Guerrero as a tune up after a year layoff and a jail stint? I would have thought it was an interesting fight, and I would have thought that Manny would probably win if the rust hadn’t messed with him too badly…. but if you’re talking about if they fight in the future… I’d give Manny his props for beating Guerrero, why not? I’d be happy against to see the “Floyd victim Vs. Manny” thing again so people can play with that little game again, jaja…. then again… Manny still has a fight with Rios to think about. We’ll see how Manny comes back, and he still needs to try to fight the Bradley-JMM winner. A bout with Guerrero doesn’t make too much sense. But I’d like to see Floyd fight Bradley if he beats JMM (Marquez recently stated he doesn’t want a FMJ rematch)

Posted May 25, 2013 4:36 am 


Adrian

Schooling baldomir?????? Hahahahahahagaha
Did you see the fight????? That’s the most boring fight in a history of boxing dude… School baldomir …hahahahahaha he run from a guy who was slow as a turtle with 8 losses
Btw Judah was stoped by tzu and lost to spinks before that and still won at least 5 rounds agains mayweather…

Posted May 25, 2013 4:35 am 


joe e.

The writer of this article shouldn’t be writing boxing articles at all. Long before this guy started writing to impress us with his pearls of wisdom FMJ paid his dues taking on fighters such as Castillo, Corrales, Gatti, Hatton, Cotto, Marquez etc. Boxing misfits who don’t know anything about the sport only show their ignorance by writing tripe like this.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:33 am 


Q

Adrian: Yeah… AM was in the division… but a prime Zab Judah was the lineal champion of the 147 pound division after stopping the man who beat the man who gave SSM his first two losses (don’t forget that). Floyd was set to have a super fight with Zab, but Judah had a mental midget moment against Baldomir, and Baldomir was technically the lineal champion. FLoyd went ahead with the Judah fight since it was still a big deal and Judah was still a talent, he schools Zab then fights Baldomir who deserved his shot. Floyd was actually grilled badly for fighting Zab over Baldomir, jaja… then grilled after schooling Baldormir…. what are you gonna do. He also basically used Carlos as a stay busy… as he waited for ODH… FLoyd then moved to 154 to immediately fight ODH… a man who had fought as high as Middleweight. Man, come on… replace FMJ’s name with anybody elses in the sport, and that would be crap yourself wow did he do that status. (for an ATG like FMJ.. it’s normal.)

Posted May 25, 2013 4:30 am 


Adrian

Lol you guys are crazy I swear …
Mayweather ” RETiRE”for two years i his prime for two years that’s a fact !!! And no one an even tell the reason why ?? Was he sick ? No! Did he beat everyone ? Not even close ,then why???

Posted May 25, 2013 4:30 am 


Adrian

Q> ok since Guerrero is a “legit ” ww opponent than a question for you:
If PAC fights Guerrero who do you think wins?
And if PAC would have won and stop guerreo would you have giving PAC credit or just say he beat a meaweather ” leftover”?

Posted May 25, 2013 4:23 am 


BEARS

Pacs trilogies with atg’s morales and barrera trump ANYTHING floyd has nuf said. And I don’t like either more than the other.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:20 am 


Adrian

And so e of you guys when you need to prove your arguments you mention margarito all the time ,how “Mosley beat margarito before he fought floyed” or “how cotto beat margarito before he fought floyed” but you say don’t mention that ” cheat” when I bring up the fact that he was a champ in ww when mayweather tough baldomir …???

Posted May 25, 2013 4:18 am 


Q

Switch this situation from Floyd Mayweather Jr. Vs. Robert Guerrero – to …any other natural 140-147 pounder in the same situation, and with that type of performance, and it would be mind numbingly impressive. Floyd’s legend has the bar set to a level that’s only set for a top ATG. You can try to deny it, but this article says it all. FMJ a top ATG fight. P4P… can think of many…. better… at all. I agree with Robert Garcia and Mickey Garcia and Pauli Malignaggi… Floyd may be the greatest fighter of all time. These fights aren’t even close, and these opponents are legit.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:17 am 


Adrian

Q- no matter how you try to spin it the reality is mayweather retired right after odh fight while the ww at that time was with the deepest talents in all devisions like cotto ,wiliams ,margarito and the fact is mayweather retired before margarito got cought or before wiliams lost and cotto just beat the man ,Mosley ,no escuse what mayweather did with that “retirement ” decision was a tactical move to avoid some of the opponents and he did worthy or not!

Posted May 25, 2013 4:15 am 


Q

scorpio2383: This is a sports site. This is supposed to be a sports related article. This is nothing but bias vitriol with no fundamentals, negative statements made like “cherry pick” without actually analyzing anything, but I’ll tell you what… a 36 year old guy can be gone from boxing 1 year, coming off a prison stint and dropping back down in weight against a multi division title holder, number one contender and (at that moment P4P ranked)…. and that’s considered a cherry pick? I mean think about it, that’s not even technically a criticism to Floyd Joy Mayweather Jr… that’s the ultimate compliment… jajaja…. what you’re saying is that this man is so extremely brilliant and ahead of the game that he can have all these things going against him, with an opponent having so many things going for him, and that’s still soooo extremely unfair to his opponent, jaja. Legend.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:13 am 


Q

Adrian: Um… Floyd retired at the end of 2007. Williams beat Margarito (in a sad to be close fight, I didn’t watch it honestly.. or I just don’t remember it.. I think I did watch it) a couple months after FMJ had beaten Oscar at 154. That was Williams only fight that year, then he lost to Quitana. Cotto was busy being protected from Floyd when he was geared to have that bout. They took it for granted, just as Manny and his team did. The only bout Floyd could have and probably should have had was with Paul Williams back then. I don’t know why he actually retired… but he did. But he’s back and beating champions again. Meanwhile, don’t throw AM’s name around please, he doesn’t like fast fighters…. but he had great stamina but FMJ has always had brilliant stamina, but meanwhile… Margarito is a glove cheat. It’s not even valid to attempt to through that trash in the mix. Cotto’s team declined a fight with Floyd…. (Cotto stopped Quitana in 5 before Paul’s two bouts with him..in his first bout at 147 in 06). They were planning on Cotto Vs. Mayweather in 05-06 timescale when Cotto was mowing throw people. Cotto’s team didn’t want that fight after FLoyd played with Bruseles, the friend of Cotto with the similar style, then the display Floyd put on against Gatti in the very next fight (Cotto was ringside blinking extra hard) they didn’t want that fight. Cotto did eventually get his L.. coming in a good 13+ pounds heavier than FMJ. Come on people. Let’s stop.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:06 am 


scorpio2383

B Red, it’s called freedom of speech and you want to bury the truth, then take away the first amendment. If you don’t like what he wrote, then get off the website. You are butt hurt that you can’t handle the truth about your hero when floyd was criticized and like I expected you don’t except the truth. This world is full of retardnation from Flomos like you. Go ahead and try to be a tough guy on the internet even though I’m telling the truth.

Posted May 25, 2013 4:02 am 


murderman

Is that why the old time fighters are broke and brain dead? I thought the purpose of prize fighting was to fight for a prize? Money! Duh!

Posted May 25, 2013 3:52 am 


Adrian

He retired in 2007 and came back at 2009 and rough Marquez , wiliams won against margarito in 2007 and fought Quintana in 2008 while mayweather was “retired”

And yeah you don’t know why and I don’t know why he retired but i am sure it wasn’t that he didnt want to make anymore money since he calms himself a moneymaker and back than if he had fought cotto ,Williams margarito he would have made a ton off money ….

One thing is for sure is not that there were not worthy opponent for him at that time when he chose to retire and that’s my beef with mayweather !

Posted May 25, 2013 3:50 am 


B Red

Awful article, the writer is a disgrace to boxing

Posted May 25, 2013 3:43 am 


PEEJ

I have no clue why he retired. I’m not Floyd. Maybe cause he made 25 mil and thought that’s all he needed and the realized he could make that or more on a regular basis. But I have no clue. I know it’s not because he was scared of anybody.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:35 am 


Adrian

Yes that’s right But THE POINT IS mayweather “retired” before he fought Quintana and wiliams were calling out mayweather all the time and at the sa e time cotto was there undefited and mayweather @retired@
You tell me one thing ,why mayweather decided to “retire”?

Posted May 25, 2013 3:31 am 


lucito revita

Floyd’s talent fails in comparison with rigondeux. the cuban fought 1 of the top dogs in his division (donaire) in which floyd picked to win last April.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:30 am 


PEEJ

Actually you got your facts wrong. He fought Margacheato, then fought Quintana and lost then had a rematch which he won by KO the moved to 154 then up to 160. Check your facts

Posted May 25, 2013 3:26 am 


Adrian

Peej– you are making up facts buddy or you just don’t know…. When mayweather fought at ww wiliams was a champion at ww when he took it from margarito ,he didnt jump In weight at that time , mayweather after that fought Oscar then he retired and that’s a fact there is no escuse here he ducked all of them !!!

Posted May 25, 2013 3:18 am 


Adrian

Big daddy> you are right about old timer’s ,they all have losses but also have revenges too and never ducked anyone especially about a “purse split” but history will never forget them also they fought 15 rounds unlike these today’s cry babies !!!!

Posted May 25, 2013 3:14 am 


PEEJ

Margacheato was a cheater. So I could care less about him. Yes Floyd could if fought Williams, problem is Williams could not sell tickets and he jumped weight classes to much. His team messed that up. He could of stated at welter and got the shot but he didn’t. Arum kept saying Cotto wasn’t ready. That’s a fact. I’ll be objective about Williams but not Margacheato. His whole record should be thrown out and he should be forgotten about. And he fought Baldomire for the welterweight championship, not title but the linear championship. Why wouldn’t he chose that over another fight?

Posted May 25, 2013 3:11 am 


Big Daddy

Floyd is overrated, great fighter but well protected. No one ever accused Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns of cherry picking opponents, those are some real all time greats who would fight anyone anytime. Mayweather is not in that class.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:10 am 


Adrian

Peej>>>> you why don’t you try to be just a litle bit objective dude ????
Back than at a time wiliams was a champion at ww and margarito also was a top dog and mayweather fought baldomir ??? It is not important if who was overated or not but back than wiliams was undefited who beat margarito and cotto was undefited who beat Mosley and mayweather retired???? That’s what I hate about mayweather and trying to say now this guys I mention were not worthy if fighting but baldomir was and retiring was a good decision that’s pure bs!!!!

Posted May 25, 2013 3:06 am 


Nikoli

It’s a shame when you’re so good at what you do people try to find ways to dent the armor. I watched the FMJ v Guerrero for the 6th time and Whew! I saw so many different variations of skill. FMJ is well rounded like a muhfugga. I don’t see anybody from 147 to 154 beating him including a young, hungry, bloated Canelo (I like the kid).

Posted May 25, 2013 3:01 am 


Wut

No one is ducking anybody period. Mayweather wants to kick Pac’s ass, and Pac wants too kick his too. Sadly it is unclear if they will really fight due to business and other non-sense matters. My only question that if FMJ is the best, why did he have to request for a random blood test? Aren’t you supposed to beat anybody? Pac is limited right? you could have just defeated him ANYTIME. He threw it first. But Pac could have just agreed, instead his response was controlled by arum. Only the universe will know if they will fight.

Posted May 25, 2013 3:01 am 


PEEJ

Corrales wasn’t a real strong puncher in his prime? Zab wasn’t a puncher in his prime?

Posted May 25, 2013 3:00 am 


PEEJ

Arum wouldn’t put Cotto in with him, he kept saying he wasn’t ready. Typical Arum. Williams jumped weight classes to much plus he was overrated. Margacheato was a cheater, why do people keep bringing his name up, stop it. Floyd is the pioneer of the Olympic style drug test. That speaks huge volumes

Posted May 25, 2013 2:59 am 


Big Daddy

Bob Arum was the one that pulled Mayweather back from Shane and De La Hoya when they were younger. Mayweather wasn’t a draw back then, he didn’t become a draw until he fought Oscar and Oscar let up on him for some reason that fight could have gone either way. Al Haymon and Ellerbee are the ones that created “Money Mayweather” they are just protecting Floyd as Arum did. A real strong puncher in his prime would take Mayweather out.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:58 am 


Adrian

When it comes to boxing skills and talent I love both PAC and mayweather but I also hate for what they done during their carrier …
First – I hate PAC for doing a catch weight bellony especially against cotto ,I mean wtf is that instead if fighting at 147 he agreed only to fight at a catch weight only2 pounds lower at 145??? Wtf is that ??? He would have won anyway but they f.roach wanted to be sure PAC would win by weakening cotto as much as possible .
And I hate mayweather for not fighting the best at ww when he was at his prime ,instead if fighting the best like cotto and Williams or margarito he fought baldomir and odh and retired???? Wtf is that ???? Then don’t get me started about the testing thing with PAC !!!!

Posted May 25, 2013 2:55 am 


PEEJ

Floyd tried to fight both Mosley and Oscar in their prime but yet they declined to fight him on a couple of occasions. We will always remember how Pac ducked Gloyd because he was scared of needles

Posted May 25, 2013 2:52 am 


Batman

Don’t kid yourselves fellas tho Mosley and Oscar were still very good and respectively #1 in their division when Floyd beat them both were done. And when Manny fought them they were well done. Floyd and Manny wouldn’t leave the ring out alive if they faced prime versions or even slightly past their prime versions of both. Floyd’s excuse is always facing the #1 fighter, but he never faces the best fighters. He’s just as bad as Manny in making his opponents yoyo in weight. In no shape or form is Floyd undefeated just more hype and a scapegoat for the dangerous fighters to move up or down in weight to face him when like a true legend like Duran went to their neighborhood. But I guess Floyd knows since the Castillo fights the better opponents he faces the less skillful or great he looks. Maravilla, Canelo, Matthysse, even Pacman still, Floyd could win these, but once he starts slipping he’d wish he did take on these before.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:49 am 


Adrian

Q>you can’t never say floyed win over Mosley was more impressive then PAC, PAC droped him and after that Mosley run like never before in his entire carriere while against floyed he almost stoped floyed , and saying Mosley ” was coming if a win against margarito ” means absolutely nothing because before that he lost to cotto and a reamatch to winky ,Mosley was the same fighter when he fought PAC or floyed wich was out of his prime!

Posted May 25, 2013 2:47 am 


pacmanDgreat

all of the graets had tasted a defeat , ray robinson, ali, duran, tyson pacman etc. its because all of them doesn’t know the word “coward” and “fear”………

Posted May 25, 2013 2:46 am 


pacmanDgreat

I like the cowardliness of floyd , its just so amazing… manny doesn’t care if he wins or lose cause thats part of the game. the most important thing is that you give the fans what the paid for, exciting fights not the running marathon style of fight!..flyod is afraid to hit by the hands of pacman.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:41 am 


Informer

This article has a terrible title. It should read: “Mayweather Jr. will never be great until the public stops paying to watch these cherry picked opponents”.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:39 am 


PEEJ

Oh and forgot to mention Cotto landed more punches on Pac in 10 rounds than he did on Floyd in 12 and Floyd stood toe to toe with Cotto

Posted May 25, 2013 2:35 am 


PEEJ

Pac didn’t completely dominate Cotto. And what’s worse a bloody nose or busted ear drum. Cotto busted Pacs ear drum. Floyd’s victory over Oscar at 154 is more impressive than Pacs fight of Oscar. Did you not see how Oscar looked after he fought Forbes? Ask Hatton who would win between the 2 and he’ll let you know Floyd would. And Floyd demolishing of Hatton was more impressive cause everybody knows Hatton wasn’t training right and he was doing coke at the time. Floyd total dominance of Marquez is more impressive than Pacs wins over Marquez because all are debatable. Floyd’s complete dominance of Shane is more impressive cause he completely dominated him. Pac chased Shane around the ring because he didn’t know how to cut the ring off. Mayweather has more defense, Pac has no defense. So did you have any more matches you would like me to tell you whom looked better in?

Posted May 25, 2013 2:33 am 


Nikoli

FJM will never measure up to some of you haters. Don’t be offended. I’m calling you what you are. I’ve watched FMJ since he came onto the boxing scene in the 90′s. Damn it, it’s 2013. What he has done from then to now is unprecedented. He has worked himself into the position he is in. Cherrypicker? Bum? Trackstar? We’ve heard it all. I find it sad some of you so called boxing fans are not fans of the boxing skills of the best one doing it to date. There are a lot of good fighters out there. FMJ just happens to be the best thang smoking. I love to see knockouts too, but it’s something about breaking another man’s spirit in the ring and literally dissecting them. He’s done it countless times. In the end it won’t matter what we say. Ask his peers.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:32 am 


murderman

Please lets not forget pac turn down 40 mil to fight floyd. Check the 1st n 10 tape interview w steven a. Pactards must not have cable tv or internet!

Posted May 25, 2013 2:30 am 


Q

pacmanDgreat:
I can honestly say that given the circumstances… Floyds wins over SSM, ODH, Cotto and JMM were equally or much more impressive for different reasons. We have to think about the previous and subsequent bouts of those guys and the divisions. Cotto proved to be better and stronger than Margarito at 154… and Manny apparently had some bad injuries in that bout. Floyd is also more of a boxer, so he has to get credit for blowing himself up to fight men comfortable at weights he can’t make. So I can give him about equal credit for the Cotto win. He fought ODH off a nice stoppage and at a comfortable 154, the man was drained fighting Manny a year later, Floyds win was much more impressive with all considered. Manny struggled with JMM 5 bouts and got iced… I think Floyds 12 round non competitive sweep was a tad more impressive… and SSM was coming off destroying AM when he fought Floyd… a year later when he fought Manny, he had went up in weight and got a draw with a Sergio Mora… then fought Manny coming off a loss and a draw (to a Mora). Floyd won 11 of 12 rounds, and it was actually an entertaining fight with Floyd touching Shane repeatedly. More impressive also, yes. Manny’s two round stunner of Hatton is definitely more impressive… that’s it. But FMJ had stopped him.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:17 am 


murderman

Manny turned down 40 mil to fight floyd. Go google steven a smith 1st take interview wpac n steven. 2nd pac beat these guys after floyd n some at a catchweight! Plus pac lost last 2 fights n may lose to rios!

Posted May 25, 2013 2:13 am 


Q

PEEJ: Actually about half of them were #1 rated in the division when Floyd fought them if not the Lineal/Ring champion.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:08 am 


pacmanDgreat

who’s most impressive?
a fight with ODLH a TKO victory or a UD?
a fight with hatton a TKO in Rd2 or a TKO in rd 10?
a fight with mosley KO in rd 3 or floyd almost got his ass woop in rd 3?
a fight with cotto brutally dominated or his nose got busted?
a fight with marquez ko’d 5 time’s or once in their fight?
floyd is nothing compare to manny.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:08 am 


Q

Diego Corrales was also a two division champion P4Per (he was ranked higher than FMJ P4P and the favorite I believe) He was champion at 130, and he unified at 135 by stopping Jose Luis Castillo in an ATG bout. (correction, Chavez also was champion 130-135)

Posted May 25, 2013 2:05 am 


PublicEnemy is dumb

Big Daddy writes the truth

Posted May 25, 2013 2:04 am 


Proud African

That Mexican idiot should stop impersonating me. what a cheap soul. Like I said earlier, Mayweather is the greatest boxer of all time.

Posted May 25, 2013 2:02 am 


PEEJ

Tark, couldn’t of said it better. Only thing I would disagree with is that most of those fighters held titles and not championships. But still well put

Posted May 25, 2013 2:02 am 


Q

TARK: Besides some of them being multiple division champions that he’s beaten in the long list of world champions, a few of them were Lineal Champion at the weight, some were top rated P4Pers. (by the way.. I noticed specifically Jesús Chavez on your list as “world champion” but he’s a two division champion.. WBC: 135 – IBF: 140)…. the sad thing is that a life was lost in his 140 title win. He didn’t fight for a couple years after that.

Posted May 25, 2013 1:59 am 


murderman

@tark- preach brother!

Posted May 25, 2013 1:57 am 


Big Daddy

Genaro Hernandez took a dive vs Mayweather everyone knows that….Arum also made Genaro Hernandez fight Oscar Dela Hoya with a broken nose ( Mosley broke it in sparring)he wouldn’t give him time to heal. Arum made Dela Hoya and he made Mayweather both guys are over hyped as fighters.

Posted May 25, 2013 1:55 am 


Jaja

Jajajaj.. who cares about Manny getting fighting of the decade. Floyd was a P4Per before that decade, and is P4P #1 after that decade, with Manny getting knocked out and losing back to back fights, and he was #1 most of the decade Manny got fighter of the decade besides his retirement segment. Of course they gave it to Manny with FMJ having been retired in that time scale. It’s basically and empty title that was handed to him by FMJ.

Posted May 25, 2013 1:53 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

I too have been fooled and blinded by my infatuation for Floyd, except my love for him is more sexual than anything. He is cherry picking his opponents but I can’t help my fantasy about him leaving his woman for ol “Errectemundo”

Posted May 25, 2013 1:51 am 


TARK

Pacquiao would have gotten a fight with Floyd if he won his last 2 fights… Everything was agreed to and Pacquiao had only recently agreed to the purse-split requirements before he was KO’d. The only thing Pac had to do was beat Marquez—a guy he never really beat in 4 meetings. Floyd was already a great fighter before he knocked out Genaro Hernandez to win his first world title. Hernandez said, “I’ll have to be at my very best. Mayweather is a great young fighter.” So 8 world championships in 5 divisions later, with 6 years ranked as the world’s greatest fighter—if Floyd isn’t great nobody ever was … Many consider Floyd the greatest ever—and with justification.

Mayweather’s list of defeated opponents is the most spectacular ever — Oscar De La Hoya: Six-Division World Champion… Zab Judah: Five-time World Champion in 2 weight divisions… Shane Mosley: Three-Division World Champion… Miguel Cotto: Five-time World Champion in 3 weight divisions… Diego Corrales: undefeated 33-0 World Champion… Ricky Hatton: undefeated 43-0 Two-Division World Champion… Juan Manuel Marquez: Five-Division World Champion… Roberto Guerrero: Five-Division World Champion… Arturo Gatti: Two-Division World Champion… Victor Ortiz: World Chamion… Sharmba Mitchell: World Champion… DeMarcus Corley: World Champion… Genaro Hernandez: World Champion… Carlos Hernandez: World Champion… Jesus Chavez: World Champion.

Fifteen opponents who held World Campionships and 5 who were at least 3-Division World Champions … Add to that: Floyd is the highest paid athlete in the WORLD. He holds the PPV record, and is the world’s greatest drawing card.

Posted May 25, 2013 1:49 am 


PEEJ

Who cares if Pac got fighter of the decade. He only got it cause Floyd briefly retired. Donaire got fighter of the year last year and he was fighting people that where only there for show case fights. It’s so easy to punch holes in Pacs resume its ridiculous. Not to mention the people he ducked.

Posted May 25, 2013 1:39 am 


pentycofe

you know as much about boxing as my ass nothing

Posted May 25, 2013 1:36 am 


Tomato Can

This article is for the Chicago Guys, Hecdogs, and Bear’s of ESB. I would say it’s for the Gonzo’s as well, but I think he’s probably too smart to fall in the trap of such a trashy article…

Posted May 25, 2013 1:27 am 


Jaja

Ok ok I see “Valenzuela” he’s definitely “latino” …stop being envious bro.

Posted May 25, 2013 12:58 am 


Jaja

Hectorrrrr vato güey “Floyd Mayweather will never be looked upon as a great fighter”: Jajajajaja…. sorry, P4Pers and Trainer’s of the years are already saying he’s the greats fighter of all time, but have fun writing that if it makes you feel better. This is either that Paul guy, or an overboard Mexican… with that talk about Castillo (who he rematched immediately) and ODH (who he lost maybe 3 rounds to). Then this hype over Canelo, and then you call Bradley a ghost or wtf ever? Are you kidding me? Bradley has been a top 10 P4Per for a while now… and for all the crap he gets, he wins fights against really good fighters.. and Manny just got iced by the man Bradley is about to fight, you’re telling me Bradley wouldn’t deserve a shot at FMJ for beating JMM who just completely knocked out the guy that you say FMJ should fight? Bradley deserves the bout more than damn Canelo, and Lucas Mathyssee is also a more deserving opponent. If Canelo can make it to 147, let him fight and lose to FMJ.. but Floyd isn’t physically at his best at 154… he loses a step, even though I’d still favor him to beat Canelo, why does the kingpin have to sabotage his own body to make that fight? that doesn’t make any sense at all. Then we trash Robert Guerrero… but if he becomes champion again what? He’s won titles through many divisions, and got played with like a kid and yes, it was an exhibition, but so was Castillo-Mayweather II…. what’s the point? When he has some SEMBLANCE of a tough time it’s good, but if he makes it look easy it’s a bs exhibition? Jajajaja. Ok ok. Nice.

Posted May 25, 2013 12:54 am 


Zee

Valenzuela will never be taken seriously as a writer until he stops hating on an ATG like Floyd Mayweather. Seriously, grow up. Can Floyd be a greater fighter if he takes on more dangerous opponents? YES, absolutely. But he has already solidified his place among the greats with what he’s accomplished.

Posted May 25, 2013 12:41 am 


Jaja

ESB = Paul …that one KKK guy.

Posted May 25, 2013 12:39 am 


Ghetto Thug

Hecdog got a job in ESB

Posted May 25, 2013 12:24 am 


Ghetto Thug

The guy who wrote this “article” is a Chicago guy, Hidalgo or Hecdog´s brother??

Posted May 25, 2013 12:18 am 


PEDcquiao ATG

LMFAO pactards can post on front page.

Posted May 25, 2013 12:16 am 


Chuckles72

Preposterous. Another dipwad aching to see FMJ get into the ring with a light heavyweight. Alvarez should fight Martinez or GGG or somebody else his own goddanged size and create some excitement there. I’m sick as heck of 160+ guys calling out welterweights. And don’t give me some crap about FMJ moving up to kick butt a couple of times at 154 – that’s a fighter’s perogative, to move up to challenge someone that you think that you can beat. Doing so does not create an obligation to meet all heavier fighters at that weight. Moving up to fight a bigger man is a test of your skill, drying down to make weight against a smaller man proves absolutely nothing (other than whether you can successfully rehydrate).

Posted May 25, 2013 12:10 am 


fast79z

most honest title to an article yet

Posted May 25, 2013 12:09 am 


Sixor

I like Mayweather. I like his boxing abilities and the way he promotes a fight. I like the way he portrays himself as a villian in all access and after he beats the guy he is already expected to beat, he thanks god. He does a great job marketing himself. BTW I believe he beats Canelo based on Canelos strenght and conditioning. They are questionable. Dont get me wrong I like the kid, but boxing is a serious conditioning sport. Floyd,,, He did offer Pac Man 40 millions but 0 dollars as far as pay per view revenue. Pac has the speed, stamina, strenght and huevos to give Floyd problems. But instead he fights Guerrero. Oscar, Tito, Fernando, Shane, B-hop, Corrales R.I.P., Morales, Johny Tapia RIP., Barrera, Pac-Man, Donaire and Marquez fought the best of their generation. They are fighters. They get paid less money too. But they fight. Floyd says he is a businessman, but which of the the above mentioned boxers would turn down a lucrative payday? None of them…. He will not fight Pac- Man people. Looking forwdard to Garcia Vs Mathysse hopefully, Maidana vs Josesito Lopez, and Mickey Garcia vs Juan Manuel Lopez.

Posted May 25, 2013 12:07 am 


whatupdoe

The klitschko era is not good. They’re very good fighters, but there weren’t any good competitors.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:59 pm 


largo

again, WTF we know anyways…

Posted May 24, 2013 11:58 pm 


Boxer

And that’s why Floyd almost has to fight Canelo

Posted May 24, 2013 11:57 pm 


largo

yo, the only guy crazy enough to say Floyd is the GOAT is Boxtra, nobody else; like “fighting words” said Floyd hasn’t had a Duran, Hearns, Hagler or Leonard on the opposite corner looking into his eyes…of course, that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t be consider the GOAT in the future. He might defeat Canelo & Sergio at 154, Mattysse at 147, Broner at 147 & a successful returning Pac at 147…that’ll make a very compelling case, wtf we know anyways…

Posted May 24, 2013 11:57 pm 


murderman

Total bs. Floyd has beat more former champs than any active fight. Also youtube the steven a smith manny interview. Manny admits he turn down 40 mil to fight money. But he got 20 mil to fight jmm. Get it right people n stop hating pactards!

Posted May 24, 2013 11:50 pm 


BEARS

Great article and about time. Really the title says it all.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:47 pm 


PEEJ

See you are lumping everybody together again. I’ve said it many times, there are the Klitchkos and then there is everybody else. Plain and simple. No I do not like the Klitchkos, no I did not like Lewis but the fact is they where the best when they where at the top bar none.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:46 pm 


murderman

Avoided pac? Yall really need to youtube the steven a smith manny interview. Manny admit he turn down 40 mil to fight floyd 1st off. 2nd nobody has beat more world champs than floyd! N dont say these guys are past they prime! If thats the case that makes the feat even greater cause floyd is past him prime too n still the best p4p

Posted May 24, 2013 11:46 pm 


PEEJ

You can’t compare fighters from yesterday to the fighters of today. And Floyd could of beat all of Leonards fighters at 147 and if not he would had been very competitive. Floyd could of fought in any era.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:45 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“The reason why he hasn’t been in a so called super fight is because he is just that good and he makes fights look to easy.” Interesting how so many say that about little boy Floyd, but conveniently never apply that same logic to the Klitschkos. Mysterious, isn’t it???

Posted May 24, 2013 11:44 pm 


whatupdoe

You nailed the vernacular lucious. i’m willing to bet that you giggled while typing each word.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:43 pm 


PEEJ

Sorry but Floyd is technically sound. He is very technically sound. That is why he can keep doing the things he does. He isn’t as fast as he used to be but his defense is very sound and folks just can’t get by that. Jones would actually move and make you miss and now that he can’t do that he gets hit. Yes Floyd makes you miss but he also blocks and rolls with many punches. Not to mention he is way more technically sound that Pac. I can name a few fighters Pac ducked. And if you say he will be remember by not fighting Pac well Pac will be remember for not fighting Floyd. Floyd will be remember as a great, no he is not the greatest but he is an all time great and is considered to be the best lightweight ever or in the top 5 or 3 depending on who you ask. Floyd will also be remember for being the pioneer for bringing the olympic style drug testing to professional boxing. The same test Pac refused to take.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:41 pm 


Lucious Leroy Smif

Don’t be hating on tha brothas! Mayweather is like Martin Luther King tha brotha go to jail fo he civil rights. Floyd is da best. He would beat Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, and Henry Armstrong on tha same night,.. Floyd be tha greatest brotha of all times!

Posted May 24, 2013 11:35 pm 


hecdog

Floyd Mayweather will never be looked upon as a great fighter. He’s evaded the best in his era except Hernandez and Corrales. He will be looked at as the guy that avoided the Legendary Manny Pacquiao. Floyd is a good fighter with speed, but he has never been a technically sound fighter. A good athletic boxer, but his technique is flawed. He’s like Roy Jones, athletic and does things others can’t get away with but he had no technique like JCC Senior. Like Roberto Duran. Like Ray Leonard. Like Sugar Ray Robinson. These guys had the correct technique, balance, distance and timing. Floyd uses speed and timing, and that’s it. He is not a complete fighter. The above mentioned legends fought the best of their time. The great fights that will be remembered forever. They stand out. None of Mayweather’s fights stand out. Mayweather was all about money, and he will always be remembered as a good fighter that was afraid to take on real challenges like Mosely in his prime, Camacho, Oscar De La Hoya, Cotto, Pacquiao and others. he carefully made sure they were either old, small or one dimensional. Is Mayweather a cherry picker? Absolutely. His record is tarnished. He is amongthose boxers that is booed by fans, never receives any offers for commercials or sponsors. He humiliates his father. He’s an ex con that went to jail. He is a horrible role model. No, he’s nothing more than an egotistical boxer that valued fame, fortune and his ego more than the reaal challenges inside the ring. A true all time great fighter, the best of his era, fighter of the decade, loved by everyone, congressman, philanthropist, singer, actor, bible study teacher and a helper of the poor is Manny Pacquiao. He fought them all win or lose, and he took on all challenges. He is a great fighter.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:35 pm 


yo

I just have one question for people who claim that mayweather’s record makes him “the greatest.’

Name one fighter that floyd beat that sugar ray leonard could not have whipped?

Posted May 24, 2013 11:27 pm 


gavaniacono

Yes it is a tired topic, but I’m not tiring of it. May weather is a great fighter, no doubt. Just watch him. Possibly the highest ring IQ I have seen. At his best he is untouchable in the ring. And he has overcome some serious challenges, ie Castillo.

Mayweather is not GOAT. That would be offensive to the dozens of real GOAT contenders who simply have a better and deeper resume. I wouldn’t even put May weather as the best of all time in any of his weight classes. I would put him up us one of two possible best of his era though, alongside Pacman.

Who the best is is an interesting argument, but a more interesting question for me is, who do I want to watch.

Decades ago, all of the durans Leonard’s haglers and hearns were exciting to watch. The younger Ali was too. As was foreman, and more recently Tyson. There was a buzz abt these peoples fights that was indescribable. I felt the same with Pacman. I never have felt that way with May weather, despite his unparalleled boxing abilities.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:20 pm 


Prof Konje

One writer’s very bad biased opinion. Alvarez’s opponents aren’t hand-picked? Pacquaio’s opponents weren’t carefully selected? What about Chavez Jr. fighting 20+ pounds above his weight class? Oh, I forgot about the Klitchko brothers fighting “bums?” There’s always something to say about someone.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:19 pm 


PEEJ

The reason why he hasn’t been in a so called super fight is because he is just that good and he makes fights look to easy. So everybody says he fought Cotto at 154. Well Cotto was fighting at 154 and he called Cotto out. Guess what guys he went to 154 and fought Cotto. Hatton called Floyd out, guess what guys, Hatton came to 147 to fight Mayweather. Pac never agreed to the full test. But in the last negotiations when they said he did, Floyd was ready to fight and offered Pac 40 mil and Pac was too greedy and did not want to take that. That was the most money he had ever and would of ever made. He took a fight for much less than that. Man it is so easy to poke holes in yalls theories.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:05 pm 


bald_head_slick

Still with this garbage? When will you idiots get tired?

Yes he is the highest paid athlete in the entire country because he is not skilled nor fighting top competition. That makes total sense. The guys he fights are all tomato cans who somehow got on hot streaks to become number one contenders with belts. You want him to lose so because your Hopes aren’t getting the job done he has to be ducking someone somewhere that will fulfill your hate fantasy. It couldn’t be his skill level making great fighters look ordinary. No way.

This stupidity makes sense to some. Then a “Boxing” web site publishes it. Wow.

Posted May 24, 2013 11:04 pm 


Tomato Can

Nice unbiased and open minded article. This site needs more just like this one. Keep up the good work.

Posted May 24, 2013 10:41 pm 


Fighting Words

Great Article, a self proclaim P4P is no way to cheat your way in the sweet science. If Mayweather wants Canelo to come down to 147 before he fights him is in a way of using that excuse to get out of the fight. He fought Cotto at 154 and he has a belt at 154. When Mayweather fought JMM, JMM came up from 135 to fight Mayweather at 144, but instead Mr. Mayweather came in at 146 and he refused to weight himself the night of the fight so it is unknown how much he had rehydrated to, during the fight he appears to out weight JMM by at least 20 lb. People say how great he looked against JMM, but I didn’t see the fight that way. Althought he knock JMM down, he got up can continued to force the action against Mayweather. As Mike Tyson once said about Razor Ruddock before he beat Ruddock . “Ruddock is not who you think he is” Likewise with Mayweather. He is not that great of a fighter that people think he is, Mayweather has never been in a superfight like Sugar Ray Leanard, Thomas Hearns or Roberto Duran. The fight he had with Oscar Del la Hoya wa not a superfight, Oscar have lost every major fight he has ever fought. Mayweather just does a great hype job to sale himself. A billionaire once wrote, “No one has ever went broke under estatemating the American people” With the contract he has with Show Time, Show Time can make him fight the superfights to fulfill that hugh contract

Posted May 24, 2013 10:35 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

TOO little TOO late. He’s already the GOAT. And writing stories saying otherwise won’t change it.

Posted May 24, 2013 10:35 pm 


Hon

Mayweather said Pac did peds. Mayweather wanted Olympic style testing. Finally Pac agree’s to that. Mayweather bails on agreement. Mayweather then said well I can’t fight unless I get $100 million. An unreasonable crazy amount ! It sounds like Mayweather kept avoided Pac. On interviews out of all the fighters Floyd wanted Pac was never one of them.

Posted May 24, 2013 10:12 pm 


largo

oh, don’t sweat it, Floyd’s an ATG no doubt but i respect Mr. Valuenzuela’s right to express his views after smoking a joint…cheers.

Posted May 24, 2013 10:11 pm 


Harry

Can’t believe I’m even commenting on such a BS article. What a load of absolute garbage! Pathetic article. Mayweather has taken on the best in his era. Every goes on about Pacman who got KO’d by JMM. Look how Mayweather took the battle hardened and highly respected veteran JMM to school in the art of boxing. It’s rather ridiculous when supposed boxing fans don’t give Mayweather respect. Love him or hate him for his actions outside of the ring, he is without question the real deal and one of the best the sport has ever seen in the ring. Like many, I don’t know if I’d like or hate the guy if I met him but what a talent!

Posted May 24, 2013 10:09 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Finally…. an ESB article that provides an accurate assessment of Mayflower’s legacy. You can’t be the greatest when you’re the cherry-picking chess master of over-hyped promotions. Sorry fan-boys.

Posted May 24, 2013 10:07 pm 


PKO

since when is fighting a MANDATORY cherry picking?? Guerrero was the interim champ and number 1 contender…

Posted May 24, 2013 10:04 pm 


PEEJ

Once again since nobody can answer this, who is he ducking since all he is doing is cherry picking? Don’t say Margacheato because he is a cheater plain and simple, his whole career is suspect especially after getting caught cheating he has yet to ever win a fight or look good in a fight. Williams was overrated and could not stay in a weight class long enough to challenge any of the titlest. Which was his promoters fault.

Posted May 24, 2013 9:48 pm 


T-Mellow

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