Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
First of all, Canelo would outweigh Floyd by about 10-15 lbs on fight night. 22lbs is a major exaggeration. 172lbs was the heaviest Canelo has ever been in the ring, so it was a rare exception, NOT the norm. Trout was 171lbs, so it was even. If Floyd agreed to a fight at Jr. MW, he’d come in at about 152lbs (like he was vs. ODLH or Cotto) and Canelo would come in at about 165lbs or so.
Sure being a little heavier might be an advantage for Canelo, but that’s just boxing. Cutting weight and dehydrating in the week before weigh-ins has always been part of the sport and always will be. Floyd would still have the height, reach, speed, stamina and skills advantages, so I think Floyd would still have the upper hand. Easy Solution: Floyd must VACATE his two 154lbs titles, and consequently his #1 Ring ranking, after publicly stating that he’s “just too small” for that weight class. Problem solved!Posted May 29, 2013 1:56 am
Squared Circle – stop waffling and tells us if 22lbs is not an unfair advantage for Canelo and maybe boxing should just scrap the weight divisions to satisfy brave warriors like yourself.Posted May 28, 2013 10:22 pm
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
Newsflash: HW boxing is a whole different animal because there are no weight limits. Even you should know that by now, SREDMOND. HWs don’t have to worry about starving themselves and dehydrating in the days before weigh-ins. They don’t think about how rehydrating will provide a certain level of “size” advantage. The weight issue is approached in a totally different manner, and just about the only HWs who think it’s an advantage to come in heavier are the few blown-up CWs (e.g., Holyfield, Cunningham, Adamek, etc). Otherwise, coming in heavy is generally thought of as a disadvantage — unless you’re a genetic freak of nature like the Klitschkos, who actually gain weight during training camp.Posted May 28, 2013 7:51 pm
If being heavier “is a disadvantage” lets help even the playing field and have Canelo shed some of that oppressive bulk while meeting FMJ at 147…. Good Christian move on my part!Posted May 28, 2013 7:05 pm
Squared Circle, AGAIN I know this is NEW to you but we DON’T consider 22 pounds to be a slight advantage unless you are discussing HW’s and its notable in that division… Boxing is broken into WEIGHT classes, it always has been and it always will be the goal is NOT to let one fighter have a demonstrable physical advantage in bodyweight…. you CANNOT make a man taller or his arms longer but you can dictate parity for body mass… You are harping on the NEGLIGIBLE aspects of their physicality 2 inches in reach means nothing as does an inch in height …. Alvarez and Floyd are the same height but 22 pound and 14 years is a BIG advantage… You are whining about Floyd having a 2 inch reach advantage if he outweighed Canelo by 22 pounds or even 15 you would lose your mind…No one is fooled serious stop pretending you competed because in wrestling and boxing weight is important…. If Canelo did not seek advantage or thought it did NOT matter why is he NOT fighting at 168 or 175 pounds which would require him to do little when it came to making weight…?? Because being able to put on 12 -22 pounds on your opponents has proven favorable to him…Posted May 28, 2013 6:56 pm
Here’s another thought:
IF Canelo weight in @ 154 and 1 night later he weights 170 + and still ripped and cut muscle wise.
WHAT IS HIS WALK AROUND WEIGHT?
i’D SAY CLOSE TO 175 TO 180
Mayweather on the other hand is probably around 153
Why not we just put Mayweather in the ring with the light heavyweights. Thats basically what they are asking him to do anyway.
Yet, Mr. Pacroid gets a past to fight who ever he wants. by the way, DIDN’T Brandon RIOS just lose his last fight, and now he is in line to fight the great MANNY PAC. LMAO! Pac sure knows how to pickem don’t he? Pac loves to fight guys that have lost their previous bout. HE IS THE KING AT DOING it.Posted May 28, 2013 4:04 pm
Some of you guys on here really wants Mayweather to lose. LOL Its not going to happen. Canelo can not do it. You clowns are trying to dismiss the weight differences as if there is no advantage.
Well tell me why PACRIOD made Cotto, Dela Hoya and Margo fight at a catch weight?
You know what, non of you crazy idiots will answer that question and we all know why. I’ve asked the question above many of times, and YET have I had ONE Mayweather hater answer the question. Thats because you can’t answer the question. Because you hate Mayweather so bad, you can’t even sleep at night. You hate him so much, that you watch every fight, and right dum A-s post about Sh-t you have no clue of what you are talking about. IF YOU HATE HIM SO MUCH< WHY ARE YOU POSTING ON EVERY TOPIC with the word MAYWEATHER in it?? LOL
Money is 36 now, His legacy is already written. You can not take that away, its to late for that now. Mayweather will ride off into the sunset a HOFer. WIN OR LOSE.
HATERS, what will you do, well you'll have to find someone else to hate, because the money machine will be gone with YOUR MONEY and if not MONEY your TIME. LOLPosted May 28, 2013 3:53 pm
Square Peg/Squared Circle, your TV commentary about Floyd means nothing Mayweather has been reported to stay close to his fighting weight year round… He’s tiny the guy shocked me when he posed after the fight with Justin Bieber, nothing about FMJ is big absent his HEART, HOUSE, WALLET AND MOUTH… The musings of a so called washed up Football player have no bearing on the official reality of FMJs size… He was 149 30 days out against Guerrero an Ortiz… He was 146 at weigh in his last fight… Your attempts to paint him as a guy who ever walks around in the 160s are just a failed part of your propaganda campaign… We KNOW the truth..Posted May 28, 2013 2:31 pm
Floyd is not huge. That body is the result of dedication and hard work. And damn good boxing genetics. Now, if he would just do that more than once or twice a year…Posted May 28, 2013 9:32 am
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
Actually I’m a former college football player with 18″ guns & 52″ chest, so am a much bigger man than little boy Floyd. So in order for a guy like me to say that… he’s gotta be looking pretty damn big for WW. Too me he looks the size of SRL at Middleweight when he fought Hearns in ’89. I never said he comes in at 160lbs on fight nights, I said he “walks around” at over 160lbs before he starts training camps. Big difference, Sling Blade.Posted May 28, 2013 4:54 am
Squared Circle, put down the magnifying glass and stop taking “dik pics” of FMJ he does not “look huge” and never does he is a super fit 147 pounder that never gets above 151 on the day of a fight… That’s not huge unless you’re a girly man or work as a cross dresser in the Phillipines…Posted May 28, 2013 2:53 am
Tark, Austin Trout and Canelo are NOT highly vetted fighters and that’s the facts of it… Each man has ONE World Class win and Trout git his off a guy coming off a loss..Canelo was not dominant against Trout, and he showed a lot of liabilities that FMJ exploits with ease he’s simply a plodder compared to Floyd and he’s gonna look terrible in there… You guys will whine that FMJ pot shotted and did not stand there and give Alvarez a chance as if it justifies the gap in skill… Canelos only chance is landing with an extra 20 pounds on him, beyond that it’s impossible for him to outbox Floyd in the traditional sense… You’re right 7% was too high, 5% is more realistic… No fighter is gonna be sellable as “Great” cause he took a UD from Austin Trout get real..Posted May 28, 2013 2:50 am
I figured Floyd was at least a -1200 favorite to beat Guerrero… I think he’s about -160 to beat Canelo… There’s a massive difference in the size, strength, jab, defense, stance, range, and over-all skills of Canelo and the so-called Ghost.. The Ghost was almost invisible on the most important night of his life.. Ask Mosley what he thinks about Canelo’s skills, quickness, and strength.. Shane just beat by UD the last guy Paulie Malignaggi beat by SD.Posted May 27, 2013 11:48 pm
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
Floyd looks HUGE in that pic — like Mike Tyson’s little brother. Muscles popping-out everywhere like a bodybuilder. I know he walks around at over 160lbs when not in training camp, so it’s very impressive how quick he can melt down to 147lbs at his age.Posted May 27, 2013 4:57 pm
Pac is the wild card in the Mayweather sweepstakes. If he beats Rios, he will have a compelling case to fight Mayweather. And Money would be a fool to not fight him because after Rios softens him up and maybe even damages him, he will be ripe for the taking.Posted May 27, 2013 4:27 pm
Bears – I wonder if you could last a single round with Butterbean is the ring, keyboard warrior.Posted May 27, 2013 2:52 pm
No way Canelo beats Floyd at the right catch weight. No way. But this fight won’t happen for a long time. Canelo has other greart money options.Posted May 27, 2013 2:39 pm
I’m fine with canelo at 162 to put money on him to beat floyd. So ortiz made weight and was allowed to rehydrate to whatever but canelo can’t? Scared…….Posted May 27, 2013 2:27 pm
With potential pay-per-view sales being a major factor, my thinking is that Money’s opponents will be sequentially more risky (with the most dangerous last) thus ostensibly preserving the sanctity of the agreement and the likelihood of Floyd reaching 49-0. And if he does reach 49, watch for an attempt at 50-0 in a mega fight that will produce more money than there is money—no pun intended.Posted May 27, 2013 2:26 pm
Bears – ” Canelo needs to fight at 154″ and come in as a 172lbs LHW vs a WW or a 150lbs JMW.Posted May 27, 2013 2:16 pm
162lbs but what the heck he can come as a LHW 172lbs like he always does against WWs & JWW.Posted May 27, 2013 2:13 pm
If floyd and canelo fight I will take canelo andit will be the first time I take a floyd opponent to win. That is if canelo sticks to his guns and doesn’t even consider 147. Weight stays at 154 and canelo can weigh……………………ummmmm how much did ortiz weigh?Posted May 27, 2013 1:39 pm
Well said tarkPosted May 27, 2013 1:34 pm
Guerrero need to be set to throw not canelo. How do you think canelo nullified trouts height and reach?!?!? Using his speed to move in and blast. Sredmond and his “canelo needs to be set to throwpunches” line has just elucidated the fact that sredmond doesn not know boxing and canot see the biggest difference between canelo and guerrero. This guy needs to learn how to watch a fight and stop reading somebody elses interpretation of events. What a garbage man sredmond is. Dudedoesnt know boxing.Posted May 27, 2013 1:23 pm
Canelo will do 10 times better than slow feather fisted gueerero. That was the most garbage comparrison I ever read sredmond. Canelo is lightning fast and on his toes andhas power. In fact guerrero is his opposite. Canelo could do better at closing the gap and working floyd than even cotto. Sredmond is really selling canelo short here. But sredmond was never good at watching tape so he can’t break fights down. He’s just good at regurgitating the next nuthuggers floyd mayweather sack gargle. Canelo ould immediately be floyds best opponent to date if he faced him. Canelo needs to fight at 154. If floyd doesn’t wanna fight. I will be watching canelo on september 14th AS WILL A TON OF PEOPLE andlets see what becomes of floyds next ppv. Bahahahahahahahahahahaha not lookin good floydPosted May 27, 2013 1:20 pm
7% chance my ass… You’re vastly underrating the kid. What do you think Trout would do to Guerrero??? Trout is one of the slickest boxers out there. Trout was an undefeated World Champion who derided Canelo’s lack of “man strength.” The 170-pounder found that the freckle faced kid’s man strength was very deceptive — and he could never apply brute force on the kid like he did to Cotto. Cotto couldn’t find Trout with his jab like he found Floyd with his jab. Remember that when poo-pooing Trout’s boxing skills. Canelo doesn’t waste energy by chasing boxers around the ring. He’s extremely patient and makes you fight. He makes you box and think by changing up a lot. Defensively Alvarez slipped and blocked a lot of Trout’s punches in competent fashion, if not in masterful fashion. Very little was landing solidly. Guerrero would be eating those punches. Canelo is also much bigger, stronger, and harder punching than Guerrero. I’ll make Floyd an 8-5 favorite for now, but that may change if Canelo gets some great sparring and looks super good in training. Floyd usually has the sparring edge over everybody out there — but it will be tough to find guys who can duplicate Canelo’s unique style. This is the biggest risk Floyd has faced in his 17 year career.Posted May 27, 2013 1:18 pm
Canelos gonna look no better than Guerrero and might look worse because Guerreros fitness was top notch even if he could not match the P4P Kings handspeed… Floyd’s gonna be able to hit Canelo at will, a few head fakes against Trout who often under commits to his punches are a poor proxy for Floyd’s much faster hands and otherworldly precision.. Canelo needs to be set to throw, and Floyd will keep him turning and resetting all night… Canelos heavy feet afford him nothing but a punchers chance which he seeks to augment by sneaking an extra 22 pounds to the ring… From a technical standpoint he stands a 7% chance… Floyd’s just too GOOD..Posted May 27, 2013 8:19 am
TARK, with a guy that start gasping for air after 4 rounds & only fight 1 minute a round, is irrelevant how thick his neck is; i say Floyd take him out with body shots.Posted May 27, 2013 3:08 am
why is the next fight is on a 22 year old alvarez?? cmon floyd there’s no way alvarez cud beat u.. fight manny!! i dont want to watch that fight,,im not an idiot fall for that..Posted May 27, 2013 2:38 am
The rematch would be Floyd’s toughest Fight because Canelo isn’t stupid. He’s a pretty QUICK learner. That’s why he’s #10 P4P at 22 yrs old……He’d probably be able to transition from Offense to Defense and Defense to Offense Faster in the next Fight and Floyd is going to have to be prepared for that. Canelo’s Offense and Defense is STELLAR. But he needs to learn how to blend them more fluidly ASAP…..When a guy misses you have to make him PAY and that’s where Floyd has the edge right now….other than hand speed, foot speed, endurance, and experience.Posted May 27, 2013 1:39 am
Here’s my prediction: Mayweather fights Garcia in Sept. and then fights Khan for his 147 belt next year assuming he beats Alexander, which I think will happen. If Alexander wins, he doesn’t get the FM fight.
In the promotion for Guerrero, they kept talking about his titles. FM and TMT recognize the average fan doesn’t know titles mean nothing.
If Josesito Lopez beats Maidana, I think he may get a shot at FM next. Latino, from SoCal, speaks English and is likeable.Posted May 27, 2013 1:34 am
Alvarez will be just as easy for Floyd to time because he doesn’t Defend and play Offense at the SAME time. Floyd will get him to lead and counter him until he retracts his Offense. Then he will feint him and lead off on him with pot shots and get outta there before he turns OFF his Defense and turns ON his Offense. EASY Fight to predict.Posted May 27, 2013 1:20 am
Exactly… You have a tremendous grasp on the obvious Boxtra… Congrats.
But it’s not going to be as easy as boxing a wide open target like Guerrero. Alvarez is not as accessible. He doesn’t chase you. He doesn’t brawl. He’s dangerous and sharp from long range where Guerrero is not. His defense is sharp. His stance is more versatile. He fires combinations with more precision … and he has more weapons in his arsenal.
Floyd may not even fight this kid. He’s mulling over the risk/reward proposition and it’s a tough one.Posted May 27, 2013 1:12 am
Why would Floyd be DUMB enough to try and sit down on his punches and knock out a 172 pounder when that’s the only chance the 172 pounder has of connecting???? Floyd is going to put on a Pot shotting CLINIC. Its called STICK and MOVE. STICK and MOVE.Posted May 27, 2013 12:57 am
Largo…., Come on guy, who has ever hurt Canelo Alvarez??? Look at this kid’s neck–it’s a slab of meat.. De La Hoya and Cotto have been knocked out… They’ve been knocked down… They’ve punched around… They’ve been hunted down and hammered.. Avarez has never been knocked out… never been knocked down… never hurt… never rocked… never chased around the ring… rarely ever hit with a great shot… He’s pretty strong defensively and he’s no punching bag like MargaCheato was against Mosley.
Floyd may out-box Alvarez in masterful fashion.. He’s not going to knock him out anymore than Michael Spinks was going to KO Mike Tyson… Michael Spinks is the GOAT at Light Heavyweight, but he just wasn’t a big strong heavyweight even at 212.. Douglas and Lewis were a lot bigger and taller than Tyson, so they had a better shot at stretching Mike out.. Could Golovkin knock Canelo out??? Certainly possible.. Floyd isn’t going to do it.. Guerrero fought for a long time as a featherweight and I told everybody Floyd wasn’t going to knock him out.. Very easy to hit but too damned tough… How many fights did Juan Manuel Marquez have as a featherweight??? JMM still has a welterweight’s chin and he’s 40.. Floyd might knock out a Tommy Hearns or Roger Mayweather.. He’s not going to KO a Keith Thurman or Saul Alvarez.. Just isn’t.Posted May 27, 2013 12:44 am
The KEY is to not announce the Rematch until the first Fight is over. It takes value away from the FIRST Fight IF you do that.Posted May 27, 2013 12:41 am
Floyd is on the Jackpot side of the fense NOW. He’s out to make the most money possible. Floyd has a contract to make $100 million a year on average IF he hits certain numbers. He needs to get TWO Alvarez Fights in there. One with a rehydration clause and the rematch with no rehydration clause. Those two Fights will sell over 4.5 million combined. Floyd will already be close to hitting his 6 Fight PPV quota after just 3 Fights.Posted May 27, 2013 12:37 am
I wouldnt say Geale is smaller than Oscar shorter maybe ….Posted May 27, 2013 12:30 am
Geale is 5″10 so he is actually smaller then De la Hoya and I wouldnt call Del la Hoya an average boxer.. HE was the night he fought Junior …!Posted May 27, 2013 12:29 am
Lman-Geale would be a NICE feather in Floyd’s cap but the Fight won’t sell. Floyd can’t face another no namer in Vegas. He needs a name. He”s more SKILLED than everyone out there. Whoever brings the most to the table should be next. That is Canelo. Maybe take on the BEST available MW after that to give Pacquiao a chance to boost his stock.Posted May 27, 2013 12:18 am
This is Yours truly telling it like it is! …Floyd “Money ” Mayweather is making a mockery of the sweet science! “Money” Mayweather” is a counterfeit, a complete fraud a shameless hustler bilking the remaining loyal fans of boxing out of their hard earned dollars. Mayweather should do hard time again this time for claiming to be an all time great. This is the worst thing to happen to boxing since Larry Holmes forced me to retire during his one sided bombardment of Randall “Tex” Cobb, which by the way looked very similar to the Mayweather vs Guerrero mismatch….This is your’s truly telling it like it is!Posted May 27, 2013 12:17 am
Hook – yes he is no doubt, but would you pick him to beat Floyd? Geale is 5″10 so he is actually smaller then De la Hoya and I wouldnt call Del la Hoya an average boxer.Posted May 27, 2013 12:15 am
not to mention he hits harder and is faster as well ….Posted May 27, 2013 12:11 am
Geales a much better boxer than the GHOST …Posted May 27, 2013 12:11 am
Dont get me wrong I like Geale, but Floyd can outbox him and counter him all night and get a points decision, he is basically a slightly bigger version of Guerrero, so why not that option, and then when he wins he can tell Canelo to try and do the same thing with GGG or MartinezPosted May 27, 2013 12:04 am
The Canelo that weighs 154 during the weigh-in is the Canelo who’s stamina sucks & the Canelo unable to fight more than a minute in a round…that’s the Canelo that Floyd should rush to fight…Posted May 27, 2013 12:03 am
Correctamundo – I will one-up you and set up a fight for Floyd against Daniel Geale, he holds a legitimate MW belt, unified two of them, is the smallest of the MW’s and the least dangerous, why stuff around with Canelo and his demands who’s only real challenge so far has been Trout when you have a guy who has gone to German soil and taken two titles away from their champions and whose only loss he avenged.Posted May 26, 2013 11:58 pm
A 172lbs Canelo doesn’t have the stamina to compete with Floyd, he couldn’t hurt Mosley & he won’t be able to touch Floyd; Floyd take’im to school & then take’im out…in that order.Posted May 26, 2013 11:57 pm
Larry Merchant, on the same fight: “Saul biggest weakness is that he fights in spots.”Posted May 26, 2013 11:53 pm
The bigger Canelo IS the slower he will BE. Floyd could beat him without restrictions but why give the guy unfair advantages when you don’t HAVE to??? IF he beats Canelo with NO restrictions then who is he possibly going to be able to sell a Fight against next???? Ward???… Maybe he can make the Fight with a rehydration clause and then after he SCHOOLS him give him a rematch with no restrictions. That will give time for another challenger to emerge….Damn!!! I should BE a Promoter!!!Posted May 26, 2013 11:51 pm
This is one of Emanuel Steward comments during the Canelo/Mosley fight: “Canelo ONLY explodes in spots.”Posted May 26, 2013 11:50 pm
The reality is Floyd is running out of dance partners, if he is happy at 147 then fine but if Mathhyse of Khan get the nod like Guerrero did with less then 3 fights at WW then thats just b.sPosted May 26, 2013 11:48 pm
If pbf really wanted to fight pacman, he would have accepted the 50/50 offer when pacman was cool with random testing. End of story. If pbf really wanted to fight Canelo, he’d make it happen now, at 154lbs. End of story. Stop making excuses people. It’s the same story folks, just different fighters. When will u EVER learn???Posted May 26, 2013 11:47 pm
Mayweather/Canelo would come down to a difference in speed and over all ring generalship. Avarez could get a knock down, but I doubt it. This fight will more than likely happen withing the next year or so. I don’t think it’ll happen Sept 14th.Posted May 26, 2013 11:47 pm
It’s amazing how pbf fans try to defend his every move, no matter how rediculous it is. What are all these excuses about weight? Pacman was outweighed by nearly 20lbs by Margarito, but fought him anyway. That’s what real champions do. They fight, they don’t make excuses. They don’t ask a 154lb fighter, who has NEVER fought at 147lbs, to drop down there. Canelo is pbf’s new boogyman, replacing pacman.Posted May 26, 2013 11:44 pm
i’ll gladly bet my house, i say Floyd with a consistent & early body attack & being defensive on the first have of the fight, he knocks a 172lbs Canelo the fvck out in the later rounds. I have no doubts about it.Posted May 26, 2013 11:40 pm
Urone – You tell me who else south of Jr MW Floyd can fight and get the PPV numbers, Bradley, Alexander, or Maybe Khan, cmon man, put your boxing fan hat on and not your Floyd fan hat. You guys are a riot, if he fights Canelo and smokes him which i see as about a 70-80 % percent possibility then thats already more then anyone will give Alexander, Bradley and dont even mention Khan, that possibility as highly stacked in Mayweathers favour as it is and rightly so is why people will pay to watch his fights. Most fans new Cotto would lose but they expected him to make Floyd work, and guess what he did, and the ppv numbers reflected that.Posted May 26, 2013 11:39 pm
I still think that Floyd should fight Canelo at 154 without restriction because that’s how this guy stamina sucks big time; that’s the Saul that fought Trout, a 172 pounder incapable of fighting one full minute a round. Jr. is an excellent body puncher & he’ll be glad helping Canelo gas even more & earlier. Floyd has to be very defensive early on & work the body, after that i see Floyd taking this 5 rounder kid outta his misery…i say go for it, no restrictions…Posted May 26, 2013 11:34 pm
Fighting Words have NO fear. I am HERE to teach you more about Boxing…. Mosley got the AIR taken out of his balloon once Floyd absorbed his DREAM shot and remained on his feet. Richardson had filled Mosley’s head UP prior to that Fight saying telling him and everybody ELSE that Shane could knock out ANY thing that weighed 147 pounds….Once Floyd remained on his feet Mosley was in a state of SHOCK and then Floyd’s SKILL level went UP to another level and drowned Mosley in a bath of SKILLS….. He then proceeded to beat the SKILLS out of Mosely and he hasn’t been the same man SINCE……Judah was actually already losing the Fight on Punches landed after the 3rd or 4th round. Youtube says I am CORRECT on that….Roger got lacksadaisical and allowed Floyd to lay on the ropes and in the corners and Cotto capatalized on that. That’s why Floyd replaced him with Floyd Sr. as his Trainer for the Guerrero Fight…..IF Cotto faced the same Floyd that Guerrero faced he would have gotten beaten more lopsidedly than he already DID and Floyd’s nose wouldn’t have been bloodied……Floyd has no one who can really challenge him on SKILLS at HIS weight you are as CORRECT I am on that. That’s why people are saying Canelo, Martinez, and Golovkin instead of Pacquiao, Marquez, and Bradley.Posted May 26, 2013 11:29 pm
Cotto has gotten way too much credit for giving Floyd a bloody nose; Floyd fought flat-footed on purpose & got hit a little more than usual but the fight wasn’t close or competitive. Floyd hit Cotto every-time he wanted to & was about to decapitate him in the later rounds…Posted May 26, 2013 11:15 pm
CORRECTION….take it or leave itPosted May 26, 2013 11:09 pm
Canelo will come in over 20 lbs heavier than Mayweather on Fight night IF the Fight is made with NO restrictions. The last guy to give UP more than 20 lbs to a Top 10 P4P Fighter got knocked out. (Ali vs. Foster)….SO I advise Floyd to give Canelo a rehydration clause. Really Floyd is not powerful enough and fast with 10 oz gloves SO he needs a glove exception put in TOO like Leonard DID vs. Hagler….Either they both wear 8 oz gloves OR let Floyd wear 8 oz gloves and Canelo can keep his 10 oz gloves. IF they don’t want to let Floyd be at his BEST with 8 oz gloves and not outweighed by more than 20 lbs vs. a Top 10 P4P Fighter on Fight night then Floyd should remain at 147 take it or leavePosted May 26, 2013 11:09 pm
Fighting words doesn’t know too much about boxing. What he does do is he obviously purchases Floyd’s PPV fights thoughPosted May 26, 2013 11:04 pm
Fighting words~ You sound foolish! A boxer getting hit during a fight, go figure! This is boxing, your hate of Mayweather is beyond extreme. Fighters get hit and some get hit hard. Mosely hit May hard, and Mayweather came back and dominated. Ortiz landed some shots but was slowly being broken down and he knew it. Ortiz became frustrted and fouled and paid the price. Cotto was still a good match but, not the same. He was beat convincingly. You’re acting as if May should never get hit. I know people have big expectations of brother May but, not to get touched in a fight is ridiculous.Posted May 26, 2013 10:42 pm
Not hating on Mayweather but his totally overrated as a WW. The WW fighters that was giving him problems and he was about to lose, something unusual happens doing the fight. The fight with Mosley, Mosley accidently hit Mayweather too hard and almost knock him out, but all of suddent Mosley supposely gased out after 6 minutes of fighting, or 4 minutes of fighting because niether fighter wasn’t doing much the 1st round. Look at all of Mosley fights including his most recent one and he has never gased. Boxing is what his does for a living, he is not gasing after 1 1/2 round. The Fight with Oritz, Oritz was giving to Mayweather and giving him problems and for some unnknown reason to the boxing fans he head butt Mayweather, isn’t it strange Oritz, the Mayweather hit him a left, right arm punchs and Oritz goes down, he got up from a harder punch thrown by Berto. Let us not forget Juda who knock Mayweather down, his glove did touch the mat, but all of sudden uncle Roger climbs up to get in the ring and Juda is suspended for a year go figure. Did Mayweather win that fight or was it a not contest? Hmmm. Cotto is nothing like he used to be after the Margarito and Manny fight, but he busted Mayweather up pretty good, Mayweather said himself he got hit too much, where to Mayweather experts that says he make fighters miss. There is not one legitimate WW on his 5 fight list to fulfill the Show Time contract. There is a reason why Floyd does not want to fight the IBF WW champion. IBF governor body would make Mayweather fight good fighters or give up the belt, unlike the WBO and especially the WBC.Posted May 26, 2013 9:32 pm
You apparently have trouble with math and simple things like a tape measure….LOL yes of course in Tysons prime,all he did was fight short inept fighters And of course Tyson would have had not chance (LOL) against those Klit Bros (more LOLs) Yes im and idiot for not placing the same expectations or lack of Physical quality’s like height ETC on orthers.Canelo should just give up NOW as he is doomed to fail ! By the way I never in the first place made mention (except for Tyson) about any fighters being able to or not. Based on there (lack) of physical attributes that was you LOVE yourself TO much maybe ??Tyson destroyed fighters much taller than him (in his prime) and we will never know about the “IFS BUTS OR MAYBES” .THough your stupidness based on the PHYSICALITY of fighters is just that STUPID MANNY much shorter that MARGOCHEATER maybe he should not of fought him for fear of being TrOunced (for being the shorter Fighter)Posted May 26, 2013 9:15 pm
With Floyd you don’t need previous PPV exposure… Floyd-Alvarez would do crazy numbers, because unlike Guerrero, Canelo would actually have a good chance to win — if the fight is done at 154… Let’s face it, there’s no fight at 147 … a weight Canelo just can’t make to save his life. They will probably work out a rehydration clause — like when Pacquiao came up 2 weight classes to 147 to meet De La Hoya … There has to be give and take on both sides to get it done.Posted May 26, 2013 8:59 pm
Canelo is not even a PPv star yet.Posted May 26, 2013 8:32 pm
Love the sport has a good pointPosted May 26, 2013 8:30 pm
Hookofthejab … you really think Tyson at 5’11″ would do well against Klitsko at 6’7″ … really. You think that is a good fight. You know what is also stupid. Alvarez at age 33 years old fighting at 168 pounds against some fighter who is 6’1 or 6’2″ — Alvarez would have no chance. It is stupid. If Mayweather forces Alvarez gets down to 147 it would help Alvarez and add years to Alvarez’s career. Mayweather would be doing Alvarez a favor. Alvarez cannot be a great middle weight or supermiddle weight at 5’7″. It cannot happen. It is stupid. You are an idiot Hookofthejab. You apparently have trouble with math and simple things like a tape measure.Posted May 26, 2013 8:21 pm
Floyd’s the bigger star. Canelo needs him more than he needs Canelo. If he really wants Floyd…he should do what Dawson did when he wanted Ward…and go to his weight.Posted May 26, 2013 8:06 pm
In fact is this chicago guy in disguise ?Posted May 26, 2013 7:42 pm
LMAO ……YOU IDIOT! In fact that should be your user name ..Posted May 26, 2013 7:41 pm
Hookoffthejab … you sound really old. Today, is 2013. And in 2013, TYSON IS A MIDGET FOR HEAVYWEIGHT. Tyson would have no chance, no chance, no chance against Klitsko’s or some of the other super-sized heavyweights of the era today. In 1993, Tyson can compete in heavyweight as one of the great action fighters of all time. But he had big difficulties in his fights with tall fighters with long reaches. And it would be joke for Tyson to compete at heavyweight today. It is a different era. Alvarez is 5’7” and his is 22 years old. Tell me hookoffthejab, what weight will Alvarez fight at when he is 30 years old? What weight will Alvarez fight at when he is 35 years old? He is way too heavy for his age. He should come down to 147. It is better for him, better for the sport, and better for his long term career.Posted May 26, 2013 7:37 pm
LOVE THE SPORT …I guess you would have TYSON come in at Middle cuz his to short for heavyweight ….Posted May 26, 2013 7:28 pm
Mayweather won his first title at 130 pounds. Mayweather is the smaller fighter and he should stick to his guns and force Alvarez to come down to 147.
In addition, for all of the Alvarez fans out there — I would point out that Mayweather would be doing Alvarez a favor by forcing Alvarez down to 147.
Given his height (5′ 7″), Alvarez is way, way, way, way too heavy for his age. He should come down to 147 and dominate at that weight for a few years and work his way slowly up to 154 and then end his career at 160. Alvarez is way too short for a middle weight — particular the up and coming large middle weights like Chavez and Golovkin and Quillen. And Alvarez would be a ridiculous joke at 168. He is a midget for that weight.
Alvarez will come in faster and in better shape if he comes in at 147 and he probably won’t be gassed in the later rounds. Alvarez has the best chance to beat Mayweather at 147. Whereas at 154, it will be a pick and pop fight with Floyd picking and popping and running and Alvarez will be reaching and flayling without the foot speed to catch Mayweather. At 154 pounds the only chance Alvarez will have will be lucky punch. At a 147 pounds, Alvarez will have a better chance and it will be better for his career long term.
Make the fight at 147.Posted May 26, 2013 7:15 pm
Lman, first of all Canelo called out Floyd last year but when Floyd said ok Oscar said no, now Oscar want the fight. Why is it with Floyd haters Floyd missed out on the biggest payday of his career, Manny refused 40 million. Then got put to sleep for much less, and like you said Floyd is in the position to make much much more not so for Manny. Will a fight with Canelo be his biggest pay day I’m not so sure, but my wish is that he do take the fight give 175 lb. Canelo a good old school boxing lesson. I know I will hear all of the excuses about Canelo being green, or he was a hype job anyway…….If you don’t know that’s Floyd hater laguage for “boy that Mayweather is really good there will be a long time before he gets beat”.Posted May 26, 2013 7:13 pm
Roy Jones The Main Man.
yeah Joe Calslappy was nothin! He fought 46 bums. 46 lucky decisions. Calslappy was never world class. He was a bum.Posted May 26, 2013 7:09 pm
hecdog, put Calzhage in a group where he does not belong. Here’s a simple explanation, when Calzhage had the chance to fight RRJ in his prime he refused to come to the US to create a fan base here. He just wanted to go for the big buck and unless you were a serious fight fan people in the US didn’t have a clue as to who Joe was. Joe only came to the US when Roy had been KO’d and Hopkins punch out put became low. He only fought the best when they were old not in their prime. Roy Jones Jr. or Benard Hopkins were not going to give Joe Calzhage a fight an not make good money because he wouldn’t fight in the US and be come known. Most people would have said of both of them that they were taking on some unkown bum for and easy payday. Would not have be true but the fights would not have done well.Posted May 26, 2013 7:01 pm
Nobody on this page would jump in the ring with technically a light heavy weight in Canelo. So STFU and stick to trashman PacquiaoPosted May 26, 2013 6:54 pm
Ironically, Floyds has consistentlly said its not about the legacy, and that “legacy dont pay bills” yet it seems that the legacy of protecting that 0 is what is actually driving his choices, not money.Posted May 26, 2013 6:38 pm
Now that Canelo has stepped UP. Anything less than a Lara or the like will not draw unless in Texas or Mexico Junior on the other hand has a history of cherrypicking,and the tree is getting bare !Posted May 26, 2013 6:33 pm
I dont think the author has to worry about Floyd looking like a hypocrite if he makes Canelo fight at a catch weight if the fight is actually made, after all he calls himself Money yet he already had a chance at making the biggest purse of his career against Manny and now it looks like he wont try to make the second biggest purse in his career, dont get me wrong I am not a Floyd hater, I just call it as i see it…Posted May 26, 2013 6:33 pm
I don’t care who Mayweather fights, I lost all interest when he avoided Pcquiao like the plague when Pacquiao was in his prime.Posted May 26, 2013 6:13 pm
I don’t think Canelo is ready for Mayweather but at same time Canelo don’t need Mayweather. Canelo fights for legacy Mayweather fights for money…Posted May 26, 2013 5:58 pm
Mattysse at 147Posted May 26, 2013 5:54 pm
Hecdog~ You lost all credibility when you discredit Mayweather for being a great and then call Calzhage a great. Take a look at the resume of both and there is no comparison between the two, Mayweathers opponents are far better than JC’s. The only guys I say were top notch that he beat was Kessler and B-Hop. Kessler has’nt looked too great since that fight which in my opinion means he was on the down slide and B-Hop, well B-Hop keeps proving everyone wrong. My point is, if you call Calzhage a great then you must call Mayweather one as well. How many fight did JC have of off UK soil, 2. So JC liked home field advantage too. He was dropped by Mcgee, Ol man Jones and Hopkins. How many times has Mayweather been dropped? Mayweather has defeated more champs and ex champs than any other fighter in history. I’m not saying Mayweather is better but you can’t call JC a great if May isn’t one.Posted May 26, 2013 5:49 pm
The point yall missing is floyd is the new odh. Like odh called the shots against may now mau calls the shots. Canelo is in no position tp demand anything. He either fights at 147 or miss his payday period! Haters floyd doesnt have to fight at 154 to please yall! N i feel floyd should give up his 154lb belt. He has no intentions of fighting at that weight again.Posted May 26, 2013 5:13 pm
The only people who care about Floyd are Americans, the rest of world doesn’t care about him. He’s just another Yank who fights on home soil. Who wants to wwatch another Mayweather snooze fest? Give me a Froch v Kessler tear up any day. Excitment in every round! Great stuff. Floyd’s fights are boring. But they are good for insomnia.Posted May 26, 2013 4:55 pm
If the weight is an issue ,make thr fight a same day weighn at 154 like the old daysPosted May 26, 2013 4:41 pm
I could not of said it better than HECDOG, those are my points almost exactly as I had expressed them on an article a couple weeks ago. I am glad that someone else, and i would suspect many boxing fans, see this as WEPosted May 26, 2013 4:23 pm
Canelo is a young strong heading towards his prime champion. His fan base is picking up steam quickly. He’s the next big Mexcian boxing Icon. He can do PPV on his own. He has plenty of exciting fights in his future. Why would he care to drop to 147. Sorry Floyd, your time is near the end. Unbeaten or beaten, it doesn’t matter. Fans are tired of you fighting with that same hit, run, hug style. And fighting guys that are old, small or one dimensional. What fans are most tired of is you not FIGHTING as true warriors do. It’s okay to actually fight once in a great while. Fans don’t respect him and never will because he dodged the great challenges. Floyd will never be looked upon or respected as Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, Roy Jones, Calzhage, Chavez Sr or other warriors. Canelo is the future because he’s young and marketable. Floyd blew it for himself by carefully choosing fights and taking no risks. Yeshe made a lot of money, but he lost a lot of respect from fighters and fans.Posted May 26, 2013 3:54 pm
Very good point boxing madness , in regards to the ppv numbers a fight with canelo will pull in. Mayweather if for nothing else, would recognize that. His last numbers were not so great. Perhaps people nesides the hip hop fanbase are finally starting to catch on. Canelo may just through shrewed manuevering on the Public relations level, shame this individual into taking the match.Posted May 26, 2013 3:39 pm
FM has had two titles at SWW (he holds the WBA now), so there is no reason not to fight at 154, other than he doesn’t want to fight a guy that weighs 170 plus lbs. I get that, but FM has skills Canelo has never dreamed of and beating bigger men is nothing new to FM, he beat DLH and Baldomir both of whom were much bigger. Granted,Posted May 26, 2013 3:30 pm
Who does Alvarez think he is? Who do the fans think that he is? Mayweather is the MAN and that’s a fact. Alvarez is in no position to demand anything. There are plenty of middleweights who will gladly fight Alvarez, namely GGG. Mayweather and Alarez are two different weight classes and that’s it. Rationally, WHY should Mayweather risk anything? He has the money and doesn’t need Alvarez.Posted May 26, 2013 3:29 pm
I’m a long time FM fan, and I understand his not wanting to fight Alvarez when he weighs in at LHW, but I also know that as a FM fan, it will do more for his legacy to fight at 154 and take Canelo’s championship. We all know MP beat DLH, but all know it is not as big of a win as FM’s over DLH because of the weight differences. I don’t know how this will go down, but I really hope it at SWW. Maybe FM can negotiate a rehydration clause. That would be interesting.Posted May 26, 2013 3:26 pm
Kudos to Carl froch. The man certainly gives the hardworking fans their moneys worth. Taking on ALL Challe.gers regardless if the risk. His resume is very impressive. Far better tnan mayweathers trumped up record. Again ,kudos to Froch. Looking forward to the Andre ward rematch.Posted May 26, 2013 2:53 pm
One thing about Floyd I always gave credit too he always did the fight at the weight limit of the division [except for Marquez but that was suppose to be for his benefit] making Canelo comes down tarnishes that about him. Take the fight at 154lbs or stop talking that Canelo is an opponent. Trying to dry him out is what Floyd fans always accused Pac of. I grew tired of it with Pac and I have grown tired of catchtweights period. We have enough divisions that you can do it there. This is special treatment to stars which boxing should stop doing ti in all facets of its sport. Not talking about the purse but everything else.Posted May 26, 2013 2:47 pm
This fight will NOT take place. Canelo will not make 147lbs. Because he has simply outgrown that weight class. Mayweather COULD make 154 but he will not do it. This man for the past several years has made it a point to avoid a serious fight. Its so obvious to anyone who truly understands boxing. His charade hasgone on for a looooong time and he has become fairly wealthy ripping off HIS FAN BASE with EVENTS, not real legacy setting bouts. He has openly.admitted to this. In his own words he has said legacy means nothu.g to him. He is only concerned about MONEY. WORD TO HIS FAN BASE: HE CERTAINLY HAS GOTTEN YOURS.Posted May 26, 2013 2:47 pm
It won’t be Kahn cause he is getting married wont be out til December he will be fighting Alexander I think mayweather will fight Canelo next just to prove a point it will be risky without a rehydration limit cause Canelo is big for the weightPosted May 26, 2013 2:08 pm
What possible incentive could make it worthwhile for Floyd to fight at 154 knowing that Canelo will likely weight at least 170 if not closer to 175? I don’t see this fight taking place at 154.Posted May 26, 2013 2:05 pm
I don’t believe it’ll be against Canelo…Sept 14 or ever. Floyd is a natural 147 and at his age that’s where he’ll be most effective. My guess is that perhaps Amir Kham may be his next victim. PPV Amir-Floyd may do well because both fighters are recognized by most boxing fans. I don’t see Kham standing a chance, but it’s all about the money.
Canelo may have painted himself against a wall as far as worthy and low risk PPV opponents go. Lara may be available, but that will be a risky fight for Canelo who appeared fatigue after the six round against Trout. He either had issues maintaining weight or his training at high altitude did him more harm than good, or a combination of the two. I used to train at high elevation, and although it was great for my lungs, I felt heavier once I descended to sea level due to the increase of atmospheric pressure.Posted May 26, 2013 2:00 pm
I think the fight will get made. I would think Devon would be next but on mexican independce day, thats not gonna cut it. plus hes gonna fight Khan so I think CaneloPosted May 26, 2013 1:40 pm
Mattysse at 147.Posted May 26, 2013 1:15 pm
Floyd will fight someone at 147 canelo will not make 147 and Floyd doesn’t want to fight at that weight its not going to be cotto because boxrec has his going against cornilious k9 bundrage if I had to pick it would have to be mike jones or Ortiz rematchPosted May 26, 2013 12:42 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
No matter who Mayweather fights next, I will watch, God willing.Posted May 26, 2013 12:04 pm