Lets face it, if the cool Kessler continues, it will be at Lhw. I have said several times that he should consider retirement, I stand by it.
Clearly everything had looked different, if Kessler had had the air to finish of Froch, in the 11th. Kessler said he didn’t have the the air to finish the fight.
The only road, for Kessler, is Lhw, but why would he do this? Because of his businesses, economy. This is ok, but I see my favourite boxer as over the hill, sadly.
I really thought that Mikkel, had it this time around, but he is not the man who everybody fell in love with, at the time, of his fights with Beyer, Andrade and Calzaghe.Posted May 31, 2013 1:31 pm
Yes one score card was way off as I’ve watched the fight a few times and I gave Kessler 4 rounds every time.
However please don’t forget the score card from Foch v Kessler I as that was also way off the mark. I had Kessler winning it but not by such a large margin.
It was the American judge that gave Froch the 118-110 scorePosted May 29, 2013 5:32 pm
“the London Looper’s punches”
Froch is from Nottingham you bell end! That’s the Midlands and London is in the south. Learn your geography before you start to put down our Champion please.
Oh sorry I forgot, you probably don’t learn geography at school as most of you don’t even own a passport . . . .Posted May 29, 2013 5:26 pm
Yes Mike J this is your belief, but why not actually make the Froch vs Ward 2 fight, a reality, to prove your point:)
If Ward is that good (he can’t take a punch, and has never fought in his opponents backyard) he should have no problem, improving his dodgy resume, with 1 away fight, in his carreer.
Who do you suggest he fights next, no sane person goes to Oakland?
Ward could start with a tourist trip to England, right ….Posted May 29, 2013 2:36 am
Froch looked much better this go round against Kessler, but in NO world does he beat Ward. The old adage that styles make fights is not some random idea, its truth more often than not. Ward can fight and fight against any style he wants to; he’s that good. Froch would lose a wide UD again.Posted May 28, 2013 8:45 pm
the Cobra Jab was magnificent!Posted May 28, 2013 9:06 am
Tark- spot on man.Posted May 28, 2013 8:57 am
Kessler was once a great boxer, he was seemingly in his prime, in the period, where he fought Beyer, Andrade and Calzaghe (sad with his injury) that version of Kessler had easily beaten any version of Froch 9 out of 10 times. A lot of boxers continue, for too long (Roy Jones Jr fx) Kessler should not follow that trend. I agree with all the people, who say that Ward has the charm of a sleepingpill.Posted May 28, 2013 3:39 am
@MK…. “Kessler should easily beat Froch, 9 out of 10 times, logically.”
Whose twisted logic is that??? Yours. Froch has much the superior jab, better movement, strength, toughness, work rate, and aggression. I told you before the fight that Kessler couldn’t box a lick and would be out-boxed. He’s a robot. Like Calzaghe said, all you have to do is keep throwing because he can’t duck or slip a punch. Froch is almost 36 and older than Kessler. You can’t use that as an excuse with the massively superior sparrng Kessler had for this fight. He said the preparation was the best of his life. And he said, “I’m a much better fighter than the Kessler who fought Calzaghe. I move my head better. I defend better. My footwork is better.”
Well… That doesn’t work super well if you have no talent.Posted May 27, 2013 6:22 pm
@MK…. “Kessler should easily beat Froch, 9 out of 10 times, logically.”
Whose twisted logic is that??? Yours. Froch has much the superior jab, better movement, strength, toughness, work rate, and aggression. I told you before the fight that Kessler couldn’t box a lick and would be out-boxed. He’s a robot. Like Calzaghe said, all you have to do is keep throwing because he can’t duck or slip a punch. Froch is almost 36 and older than Kessler. You can’t use that as an excuse with the massively superior sparrng Kessler had for this fight. He said the preparation was the best of his life. And he said, “I’m a much better fighter than the Kessler who fought Calzaghe.” Well… Doesn’t work out that well if you have no talent.Posted May 27, 2013 6:13 pm
Froch vs Kessler 3 makes no sense, only money wise. Kessler is too far from his best.
Kessler is a boxer, Froch is a brawler, when the boxer can’t beat the brawler, it is time to retire, with a good, not great record.
This is based on the belief that Kessler should easily beat Froch, 9 out of 10 times, logically.
Froch is too much for Ward, psychologically and physically, on neutral terms.
By the way, Ward said that Froch would win, now he says that Kessler won, along with his trainer. This is clearly psychological warfare. I actually believe that Froch vs Ward 2 will happen.
To be honest, there is no other big fight, in the Smw division.
I hope that Froch and Ward, along with Bute goes to LHw, this could bring back the excitement.Posted May 27, 2013 3:48 pm
Froch could fight Ward in his living room, Bedroom, or Den it would not make a difference. Ward is a much more skilled fighter than Froch case closed. I would rather see Froch vs old man B-Hop or Froch should talk Martinez into a fight. Martinez is what 170+ on fight night.Posted May 27, 2013 3:43 pm
Froch would be an underdog to beat Ward even in England, assuming Andre is 100% after his injury. Ward just has that effective style to beat Carl, a bit nore speed, better defense. Carl has had a lot of hard fights coming into any rematch. I really respect Froch though, he’ll take on anyone, anywhere. Ward doesn’t have to travel, but he will get more recognition and respect if he does. A win over Froch in the UK would be a big boost to his rep.Posted May 27, 2013 3:18 pm
I watched the build ups of both fighters up to fight night, all the way through it looked like Froch just wanted it more than Kessler, I dont know if this means we might possibly see a third fight though.Posted May 27, 2013 2:38 pm
Once again I agree with Popkins:
Kessler said to danish television, after the fight that he made two mistakes, starting too slowly, due to nerves, and not listening to Jimmy (Montoya) Further more he mentioned that he said to Froch that he was close knocking out Froch in the 11th, which Froch confirmed to the him.
He shud just forget Ward and go for Hopkins and Chavez jnr. His an easy payday for Ward and would get beat again, possibly even easier this time around.Posted May 27, 2013 1:11 pm
Maybe he should stick with the other Andre.Posted May 27, 2013 11:00 am
Wow a guy who took the time to breakdown his rationale… Froch is a VERY EASY fight for Ward at this point, Kesslers balance was simply terrible and he was in the fight the whole way… Andre is more comfortable and confident, you could see him licking his lips at another easy payday… Carl Froch is made for a faster, smarter boxer like Ward to dominate and looks good doing it… I think Froch is Gina explore Kessler 3 or (Bute for god knows what) before Ward… Another UDnor possible TKO loss to Ward caps him at #2 Or knocks him
Lets face facts Kessler is a hard man ,but Foch beat a fighter who was a shell of what he used to be, due to career threatening injuries and inactivity.He had the look of a man with one foot in retirement,who didn’t really think he could win the fight in the build up.
PrimaCarnero …Ottke never became the Ring Champ/linear champ at any point in his career. Ward is already the reigning Ring Champ!!Posted May 27, 2013 5:30 am
Andre Ward = Effective but dull andAlways fights at home = Sven Ottke…..WARD IS THE NEW OTTKE!Posted May 27, 2013 5:22 am
”London Looper”??? Basic Geography would be useful! Froch is from nowhere near London! That aside, we have yet to see how Ward fares on the road. Froch ctually had one of his flattest fights against Ward, he can certainly fight better, as he has shown since. Perhaps it was all the away fights he was having? Ward may well ”unravel when he travells” like Bute did.Posted May 27, 2013 5:17 am
Please no Ward, all he does is hug, borefestPosted May 27, 2013 4:08 am
Where did he fight froch? Isn’t froch a top guy?Posted May 27, 2013 4:07 am
matthews, Kessler fought Ward at the Oracle Arena in Oakland. 5 or 6 miles from Ward’s house. How is that Ward’s home?Posted May 27, 2013 3:15 am
AC is 3000 miles away from Oakland. How is that Ward’s home.Posted May 27, 2013 3:08 am
Ring belt is all that mattersPosted May 27, 2013 3:05 am
Fighting at home is half the battle won in these close fights. Kessler beats Froch in Denmark, Froch beats Kessler in the UK, Ward beats Kessler in Oakland, etc. It’s a huge advantage to fight in front of your home crowd with a home ref. Kessler fought bravely, won 4 or 5 rounds, came back from a disastrous opening few rounds and had Froch wobbled and hurt in the 11th round. Props to both fighters! Great warriors!
Ward gets respect once he fights the top guys away from home. No excuses. Ward is great but has a lot to prove. Froch-Ward in Nottingham with a UK ref and Froch wins hands down.Posted May 27, 2013 3:05 am
Head Butts and Holds
Ward is scared to travel. Plain and Simple. Real champions do it, although in his defence he isn’t a champion. He doesn’t hold a belt.Posted May 27, 2013 2:10 am
Ward is #2 P4P and selling out his own living room can’t change it.Posted May 27, 2013 1:13 am
That’s just ridiculous. Lacy was way overrated and no injury made Lacy who he is. Ward has way more skills than Lacy. I will admit he had me fooled but after he fought the guy ned Cadillac Williams I believe I knew from there he wouldn’t be muchPosted May 27, 2013 12:03 am
PublicEnemy is dumb
Ward after the bum shoulder will become Jeff Lacy.Posted May 26, 2013 11:25 pm
FO creepPosted May 26, 2013 11:10 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Yeah right douche-nozzle…Posted May 26, 2013 10:48 pm
Froch is not the boxer Ward is and Froch will be 36 when he takes to the ring again.. There is not enough time left in Carl’s career to match Ward in skills.. He’ll never be a master boxer.. A victory over Ward looks like a pretty bleak prospect.. But Froch looked extremely sharp for Bute.. Forget that Bute was maybe overrated.. Carl looked stronger and faster in that fight than I’ve ever seen him.. Just like a pitcher can’t duplicate a perfect game — a boxer can’t duplicate a perfect fight. They just happen.
But just for the Hell of it — remembering Ward has had physical problems, fights postponed and cancelled, and had only one fight last year — Froch should fight Ward again next.. Make Ward an offer to come to London that Andre can’t refuse.. You have a better chance beating Ward in England than anywhere else.. You fight like a maniac there.. Just try to duplicate the camp you had for Bute.Posted May 26, 2013 10:02 pm
( I.E. The non-pure-boxing fans are not overly concerned with the possibility of Froch being schooled. They just want their money’s worth. )Posted May 26, 2013 8:41 pm
What does filling arenas have to do with how good a guy can box, if that’s the case than Chavez jr the greatest ever, broners last fight with Rees had 1.5 million viewers, Floyd didn’t come close in his fight with Guerrero, does that make him better than Floyd , NO pull your head out your butts and stop thinking like promoters, ward will smash anyone at 168 and anywhere and for you that call ward boring, ask his opponents just how boring he is in the ring!Posted May 26, 2013 8:40 pm
Jacko I think you are partly right in your translation.
Only ‘partly’, because I think there are a number of genuine fans who are not ‘pure boxing’ fans. Thus, they are expressing sincerity when they opt for a Kessler trilogy on the grounds that it will be more entertaining.Posted May 26, 2013 8:35 pm
Froch’s fans use the same rhetoric for him not rematching Ward or fighting Hopkins – because Ward’s and Hopkins’ style’s are ‘not entertaining’, ‘boring’ etc
Translation: Ward and Hopkins have very good defences, they don’t just stand still so Froch can hit him and they punch back….Froch can’t beat that style so I don’t want watch that fight again, give us a slow stiff who won’t move and is pillow fisted, Bute ll please
What ever happened to the best fighting the best?
Froch was supposed to be respected for that by his fans now his fans don’t want him to fight the best only people he has better than a 50% of beating and who’s style suit Froch.Posted May 26, 2013 8:08 pm
Froch’s comment was he didn’t want to rematch Ward because Ward’s style is ‘not entertaining’.
The same though process will go for Hopkins.
Translation: Ward and Hopkins have very good defences, they don’t just stand still so I can hit him and they punch back….I can’t beat that style so I don’t want to fight it again, give me a slow stiff who won’t move and is pillow fisted, Bute ll pleasePosted May 26, 2013 8:03 pm
Ward beats Froch again,but Froch dosent fold up thats for sure.Froch is tough and isnt afraid of anyone,and dosent care who or where he fights.Ward is slick and smart his skill level is above all the smwts. in the div. But I would still like to see Froch vs Ward both deserve respect for what they do for the sport.Posted May 26, 2013 7:03 pm
Ward couldn’t even pack a box in the USA! Imagine a Hopkins v Ward fight, we’d all fall asleep before the end of the first round.Posted May 26, 2013 6:59 pm
This is a bad boxing article. The fight was close. Froch won it by a few points. Ward needs to prove himself away from Oakland and the US. I’d like to see him come to Denmark to fight Kessler or England to fight Froch.. I doubt it will ever happen even though they will pack a stadium which won’t be the case in Oakland.Posted May 26, 2013 6:30 pm
Under me if you think ward is a boring fighter than this ain’t the sport for you man, Andre ward is what you call special caus their really isn’t weakness to his fight game reminds me of b-hop but better, his fight games even better than Floyd’s and I’m a Floyd fan but like I always say ward is boxings p4p champ!Posted May 26, 2013 5:47 pm
We all know Ward can beat Froch again but why watch this. Ward is a sleeper, a snoozer, Boring !Posted May 26, 2013 5:23 pm
Well for froch, his fans, and his cash who are content with the coveted 2nd place position just remember 2nd place is the 1st loser. If he fights kessler again you really think it would be in Nottingham. Betcha kessler will want it back in Denmark.Posted May 26, 2013 4:38 pm
London Looper! hahaPosted May 26, 2013 4:37 pm
Ward didn’t want to fight Bute. Ward didn’t want to fight Hopkins. He doesn’t want to fight Froch outside of the US. Doesn’t want to fight his friend Dirrell. Why doesn’t he just retire and stay out of the way.Posted May 26, 2013 4:15 pm
Shane …yep, don’t want to go on about hypothetical match ups that can no longer happen, but you’re right. I have lots of respect for Froch, he’s an excellent fighter in his own right. But Calzaghe would have whupped his ass by a similar margin to what Ward did. Calzaghe was the first undisputed/linear champ at 168…Andre Ward is definitely worthy of being the second man to wear that crown.Posted May 26, 2013 4:05 pm
Also shane u are a prat, go back to watching MMA boyPosted May 26, 2013 4:04 pm
Popkins u are one of the most level headed posters here. Froch disrespected Joe too, can u imagine that mismatched fight. Joe would have PUNISHED his insolence! Froch is more open to be hit than Lacy. Painful lesson for him. Ward beats Froch easily…….no matter how his fans don’t like watching boring Ward….
I’ll be rooting for old Popkins should they ever fight. I’ll definitely be buying a ticket if it’s in the UK, but in some ways I hope Bernard gets home advantage, that way he’s more likely to get away with using all his extra little tricks.Posted May 26, 2013 3:26 pm
Why Doesn’t! either Ward or Hopkins offertofight one another? If managers are smart they would be wise to avoid fighting Hopkins. He is a career destroyer.he finds a way to win enen if it means faking an injury , clinching, butting. Anyone who pays to see his fights needs their head examined.Posted May 26, 2013 3:19 pm
I see Ward stopping Froch.Posted May 26, 2013 3:10 pm
Froch won’t win a rematch with ward as ward has his number and will always nullify froch’s work rate. Against hopkins, should it come off, if hopkins has froch’s number early he would beat froch however, if froch jumps on him early hopkins will try and look for a way out and feign some sort of injury as he done in past fights.Posted May 26, 2013 2:57 pm
Hmm Hop vs Froch I put my money on Froch. Froch work rate is to high all Froch needs to do is maintain distance and blitzkrieg B-hop with punches I don’t think Hop could keep up with the volume. Froch can’t let Hop tie him up and make it ugly. Stay back and throw high volume. I would like to see the fight and I put my cash on Froch. Ward vs Froch different story Ward is a better boxer period same result Ward by UD provided the judges are not corrupt. With Canelo ballooning up to 172 I would like to see Froch or Ward kick his ass. I would like to see Martinez take on Kessler.Posted May 26, 2013 2:31 pm
Monkey…no probs:), just tweaked your words slightly to emphasise the point.lol.Posted May 26, 2013 2:05 pm
Cheers for the kind words Popkins!Posted May 26, 2013 2:01 pm
Monkey said it best on the previous article/thread…
It’s Me, Ernie
Ward is a lighter weight Klitschko. BORING…Posted May 26, 2013 1:57 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
My opinion. After 11 rounds, Froch-Kessler II was even at 5-5-1 (105-105). Whoever won the final round would win the fight, and that was Froch. Thus, I scored it 6-5-1 (115-114). Great fight, extremely close but clear victory by Froch.Posted May 26, 2013 1:53 pm
I love Froch, but totally agree with this writer.
Ward is cut from a finer cloth. His skills are verging on god given.
Also I watched the fight on Sky sports, and when they interviewed him at the end I hate to say it but agreed with everything he said in regards to fighting in the UK.
Ward is an ever changinh puzzle. Froch can change and adapt, but he has less wrinkles\gears than ward.
When floyd leaves the game ward will be P4P number one.
There is a massive gap between the very good Froch, and the GREAT ward.Posted May 26, 2013 1:50 pm
great respect for froch – great fighter and he always give All he has but he wont beat ward – i consider froch as a truly World class boxer but ward is in another league – i consider ward to be Today best p4p boxer and i dont see Who can even be close to beat him at momentPosted May 26, 2013 1:42 pm
I can assure everyone on this site, that due to the way the second half of the fight unfolded, by the final bell the majority of the crowd were extremely worried for Froch prior to hearing the scorecards. Nobody I saw was confident Froch had done enough…either fighter winning, a round either way wouldn’t have surprised any one in the arena last night. 118/110 was laughable. This was a tight fight right up until the final bell.Posted May 26, 2013 1:42 pm
By winning the final round Froch narrowly won the fight. Kessler was the stronger fighter in the second half of the fight. Had he managed to nick the last round, the fight would have been a draw in my book. Has Froch improved since last time? probaly not. Kessler is however, another three years removed from his prime – that was the difference.Posted May 26, 2013 1:32 pm
as in nearly all of froch’s fights ,the biggest winners are the fans.Posted May 26, 2013 1:05 pm
Paul,you maybe selling Froch to short and Ward to long on this one….On their last fight it’s undeniable Ward won, but he was hard pushed and at times concerned,yes I know his hand was injured and take that into consideration but Froch is still up for a second shot……Posted May 26, 2013 12:55 pm
Dominated? What fight was he watching? This was a close fight if I ever saw one.Posted May 26, 2013 12:55 pm
The writer is underestimating froch,s improvements. Froch is a better fighter now than what he was when he met ward and his wins against Kessler and bute proove this. Froch is always in top shape, has power , smarts, and is courageous fighter. He is one of the best fighters coming out of englandPosted May 26, 2013 12:38 pm
Killing Moon The Soothsayer
Going with a baseball phrase describing a fight between two Europeans ?
From now on when describing american fighters, i’ll only use football-related terms then.Posted May 26, 2013 12:23 pm
Froch would give him a better fight second time round. I think he underestimated Ward’s brilliance and will formulate a better gameplan with Rob McCracken. If they fought ten times, Froch would maybe win one, I hope that is the one when they fight.Posted May 26, 2013 12:12 pm