No TARK, don’t be such an ignorant fool, Andrade Koed Bute, in their first fight, where we saw Butes lacking chin, Bute was shot, when he met Froch.
Hopkins = Ward = When Froch beats Hopkins, he knows he beats Ward too, but only in England, after normal rules.Posted June 3, 2013 4:04 am
Froch vs. Hopkins is what I want next.Posted June 2, 2013 6:48 pm
@MK…., You wrote.., “Carl Froch, is just like Andrade.”
BULL!!!! Andrade had no jab, do defense, no stance, no movement, no intelligence, no skills, no NOTHING!!!
Check the record book.. Bute beat Andrade twice.. The 2nd time he destroyed him with little effort — knocking him TFO in 4!!!
You’re not very observant friend.. Froch rolled over Bute like he wasn’t even there.. He crushed him in an ice bucket like he was a 4-round fighter … not exactly the outcome Andrade had with Bute … If you could count you’d know Froch won the first Kessler fight by landing more AND harder punches.. He was afraid he would KILL Kessler in the rematch — and Kessler himself fought like a scared-to-death robot.Posted June 2, 2013 6:17 pm
Froch is great a repeating the same thing over and over and trying to rewrite history.
If you listen to him he lost a close decision to Andre Ward. Wtf maybe on the cards but everyone in the Uk said how the hell were those cards so close he got dominated.
It was coz Froch was moaning about the judges and there had been a controversial decision the wk before, so they gave Froch everything.
I remember the bbc punit Ben Dirs saying what a disgrace the cards where that 2 judges had it so close.
If anyone should be moaning and aggrived it’s Ward.
Froch also seems to forget the fight that most people thought he lost to Dirrell.
Out of all the home town decsions this was by far the worst of the S6.
McGuigan again amongst many Brits fans, jour no, pundits etc thought he lost to DirrellPosted June 2, 2013 11:02 am
frcoh won in Denmark not according to Jim Watt, the other sky pundits, Barry Mcguigan and every british newspaper (except one that scored it a draw) said Kessler won by a clear 2/3 rounds.
As many have said, if the fight was in Nottingham Carl might have one but in Denmark or more to the point on neutral territory that was a clear Kessler win.Posted June 2, 2013 10:56 am
Popkins: I agree with everything you said concerning Kessler, on this thread.
I urge people to watch Kessler vs Andrade, a dangerous brawler, with a big chin, and coming forward nomatter what …wait, this british fighter, Carl Froch, is just like Andrade. So there you have it. Kessler in his prime, was to much for Froch.Posted June 2, 2013 9:43 am
Resume build up fight and then a competitive fight and then Ward next year. Well, deserved Bahamas and sun bathing with the honey.Posted June 2, 2013 5:44 am
Floyd is the most boring fighter in the history of boxing second to Hopkins.Posted June 2, 2013 4:44 am
You’re a freakin’ nut case who knows nothing… Boxing journalists who never laced up a glove don’t know a damned thing about Boxing.. They know as much about the sweet science as a pig knows about nuclear physics.. Jimmy Wilde sucked doorknobs.. Look at his record.. He fought tons of guys who had no fights, no wins, a few wins and a lot of losses, or had puffed up records like himself with no wins over top fighters.. That’s why an unknown clown with 4 wins in 12 fights kicked his tail when he had over 100 so called “fights.”Posted June 2, 2013 1:05 am
The fighters Kessler beat were badly overrated—just as Bute was. This happens often.. The Calzaghe, Ward, and Froch fights were an accurate reflections of Kessler’s skills when he fought them.. Kessler was a big super middleweight with a tough chin, good power, fair athletic abilities, but his boxing skill were far from world class. His stance had problems.. mechanical jab.. marginal defense.. poor footwork.. poor range.. poor tactical skills.. robotic. He didn’t really beat Froch in Denmark. Froch went into that fight injured and got a bum deal from the referee and the judges. Froch landed more and harder punches and the stats are there. Jim Lampley aired the stats in detail in HBO’s televised setup just before the 2nd fight aired.. The first fight would have gone to Froch anywhere but Denmark. But now that Froch gets a decisive and rightful win, Kessler fans are saying the younger man is washed up. It’s the kind of partisan excuse you often hear. Froch is just better period.Posted June 2, 2013 12:04 am
Tark “Froch is better than Jimmy Wilde”
At that point I just burst out laughing. You haven’t got a clue Tark, you’re a total idiot and no here should take anything you say seriously.Posted June 1, 2013 9:18 pm
Tark.. You’ve got to be at the wind up. They couldn’t carry Calzaghe’s jock strap. None of them, to even mention Cleverly (who was slapped around and treated like the 4th division fighter he is in the Calzaghe gym) in the same breath as Joe, just shows again how much you really know about this game. Groves and Cleverly on an all time British list is INSANE. FROCH WOULD’NT HAVE WON 10 SECONDS OF ANY ROUND V JOE CALZAGHE. He’d have been rescued from a Jeff Lacey style beating. Fck me i’m covering my eyes now even thinking about it. Styles make fights n Calzaghe is all wrong for Froch. George Groves? ffs i’m away to throw up!!!Posted June 1, 2013 7:06 pm
spot on re Kessler. Everyone can see his reactions and legs have gone, balance was everywhere.
Everyone said before the fight Kessler was on the slide and I have to agree with Hunter post fight said Kessler was well past the version that Andre beat let alone Calzaghe.
@Tark Kessler said that prior to the fight – what did u think he was going to say, ‘I’m shot’
Froch has come out and said one more fight and he wants the rematch with Ward and will do it in Vegas.
Lets get it on….Posted June 1, 2013 5:48 pm
Andrade, who shortly afterwards, excluding some of the most outrageously corrupt refereeing you’ve ever seen, inflicted Bute’s first ever loss by KOing him. Incidentally, the Bute fight is one of Froch’s greatest victiores. And Beyer, who won the WBC belt – and also beat the likes of Danny Green x2, Woodhall, drawing with Bika. Froch himself has only ever won alphabet straps. He, like Beyer, never won the Ring/linear title. ….so….Kessler schooling both of these two boxers, are clearly useful demonstrations of the skill level of a PRIME Kessler – 2006/07….and this is blatantly superior to the current day model.Posted June 1, 2013 5:35 pm
Popkins said, “Take a look at the Kessler that demolished Beyer and boxed circles around Andrade”
So Beyer and Andrade could box at all??? Hardly anybody even knows who they were they were such bad boxers. Don’t give Kessler credit for beating 2nd rate opposition.
Take anohter look as his fights with Ward, Calzaghe, and Froch.. He looked like crap against those 3.. If Cleverly and Groves had been around in those days they would have boxed the crap out of Kessler as well.. Like they did in this last training camp.. They tried to help Kessler as much as they possibly could — but you know what??? They just massively overrated him because of all the hype, and after a few weeks they probably knew it was hopeless. You have to wonder what Virgil Hunter is thinking about Amir Khan right now… Sometimes a guy is just overhyped and doesn’t have the talent, and you just have to throw up your hands.Posted June 1, 2013 5:03 pm
And I also don’t think Froch has improved particularly either. That’s not to say I don’t think he was a little under rated previously, but put him back in a ring with someone with good fundamental skills and he’ll look awful again. The reality is though that theres no doubt he had earned a ‘re match with Ward. What will really be a test of his belief in himself though will be if he makes the fight happen. I remember reading Chris Eubanks autobiography when he was discussing Nigel Benn. Eubank said in their first fight although he’d already made a name for himself and was earning good money he accepted 10 times less money than Benn just to make the fight happen because he had such belief in himself that he would win the fight and he needed to prove it to the boxing world. Ward will take fight if it’s in his interests to do so, if Froch really believes he has what it takes he’ll make the fight happen.Posted June 1, 2013 5:00 pm
I found the second fight far closer than the first fight. Whilst Froch was competative in the first fight I did not have him winning many rounds. The second fight, whilst Froch was the clear winner on my card it was by two rounds only.Posted June 1, 2013 4:51 pm
Funny fact: As an amateur, Froch lost to Peter Manfredo Jr. in a 4th round technical knock out. Lol. Funny…but true!!! Makes Calzaghe’s demolition job in the Millennium stadium look impressive :))Posted June 1, 2013 4:18 pm
Tark.. Thought I told u to stop drinkingPosted June 1, 2013 3:53 pm
Popkins.. ExactlyPosted June 1, 2013 3:52 pm
@Tark…Take a look at the Kessler that demolished Beyer and boxed circles around Andrade in 2006-07. That Kessler was smooth around the ring and fired sharp, solid, accuate punches. He was also undefeated and very determined. Froch’s win last weekend was excellent, it was a very entertaining, competitive fight too. But lets not kid ourselves – that was not a prime Mikkel Kessler that Froch faced.Posted June 1, 2013 3:19 pm
Actually Bute can’t get the rematch. They had the option of one optional fight in between. And as you can see they are going in different ways. Froch would only fight Bute in Canada if there are no other paying options. And right now Froch has a couple of options.Posted June 1, 2013 2:50 pm
Kessler said, “Joe says a lot of things. It’s true I’m not the same fighter who fought Calzaghe.. I’m much better.. I have more experience now. I’ve fought better boxers than Calzaghe. I move my head much better. I defend better. I move better. My left hook is better and I can throw a left hook to the body now. I’m younger than Froch, so to say I’m an old man is silly. I already beat Froch. This is my best training camp ever. I have the best sparring of my life for this fight. Cleverly and Groves are better boxers than Froch.” That’s right of course…and better than Kessler too.
Who would know better than Kessler whether he’s better or worse???
Of course if your sparring partners are boxing the piss out of you, that might not be good, but you’re forced to get better if you spar fast, skilled, youthful guys like those 2. Kessler did get better—but Froch improved so much more than Kessler did. He beat him by a bigger margin than last time—when the fight was close in Denmark. Froch absolutely landed more and harder punches in the 1st fight—which Jim Lampley went over the stats at length before the 2nd fight. Froch should fight Ward next and his promoter should offer ridiculous money that Ward can’t possibly turn down … They should do it now because Froch will be 36 when they fight. This is his best chance.Posted June 1, 2013 2:45 pm
Froch v Bika would be a great fight for Carl, a competitive brawl. Sakio is a stong, full blown Super Middleweight. But unfortunately he was not in the Super 6, and is not as glamorous a name such as middleweights like Taylor and Abraham. Many fans overlook the likes of Bika, Mitchell, Reid, Sheika, Woodhall and Brewer on Calzaghe’s record. These men weren’t as famous or popular as some of the bigger names on Froch’s record, but they were experienced, natural 168 pound fighters and arguably more dangerous fighters too.Posted June 1, 2013 1:41 pm
What was obvious about the Kessler fight was that age beat him not Carl Froch. The peak Kessler traded blow for blow with Froch in their first fight and backed Froch up and won him the fight. Staright away in the rematch when i seen the way Kessler was pacing himself and picking his punches I knew that he was in for a hard night. Was this a good win for Froch? Well yes but the reality is that Kesslers punch / connect ratio was superior to Froch’s. If Kessler still had the legs and stamina he once had, with an increased punch output you would expect Froch to be on the loosing end of the fight once again. But fair play to Froch for the win. Im a big fan of watching his fights. As a huge boxing fan with a pretty decent inside and knowledge of the sport, I struggle to listen to him shooting off his mouth and feel he alienates himself from a lot of fans. There was a huge viod fan wise left when Calzaghe retired and Froch was the natural heir to those fans who needed someone else to follow. Slagging off Calzaghe is not the way to go, especially when its obvious to most fight fans that Calzaghe would have schooled him all day long.Posted June 1, 2013 1:04 pm
Ward will most likely get injured again, or is injured.Posted June 1, 2013 11:45 am
Skillswise only some kind of mackerel would place Froch as elite, but if you were playing pugilistic poker, and were looking for a sweet deck, you wouldn`t go far wrong drawing from Froch’s resume.
I don`t understand the venom towards a guy who’s major crime seems to be not having a solution to the p4p #3, master neutraliser.
Literally it is only if JMM or Mayweather were in Wards weight class that there would be someone who would start favourite against him. EVERY other boxer would be expected to come up short.Posted June 1, 2013 11:11 am
Calzaghe made a GREAT point he said “If Carl Froch thinks he is the best boxer from the UK then Andre Ward must be 2x better than ANY boxer that the UK produced because Froch lost to him.” (paraphrasing) Froch only evened up the score with Kessler he did NOT knock him out and he finally got a win over a version that was inferior to the one that Calzaghe and Ward defeated…He blew out Bute, but there were WELL known questions about Butes true quality because of his questionable moment against Andrade which he avenged, lack of participation in the Super 6 and soft touches like Mendy and a beatup Edison Miranda….Froch has been seen struggling on MORE than one occasion ie Dirrell and Jermaine Taylor who was atrocious at 168 pounds and had already been layed waste to… Froch is the second best SMW in the world but he is NOT an elite fighter, he is several leagues below the #1 SMW and the reason this is gonna keep coming up is because Froch likes to position himself via his mouth which is part of the game in boxing but it certainly opens you up to additional CRITIQUES… This notion he thinks he pioneered that guys have to sit around swapping venues to prove “who is who” is ridiculous… He and Kessler don’t need a 3rd venue they need new dance partners, He and Bute don’t need to fight in Canada, Bute was knocked OUT… What happened to closure??? Bute offered NOTHING worth discussing and he has not been impressive in the return bout he had…Posted June 1, 2013 10:42 am
50 year old champion, first ballot hall of gamer, and legend. But hey when you have bika and stiles or whatever why would you want that on your resume.Posted June 1, 2013 9:30 am
Neither Bute nor Kesseler make much sense their cache is DOWN, the prefight perception of Kessler proved to be true, his legs are OLD… He’s been defeated, discussed retirement, and has battled injuries.. Bute was a BLOWOUT, so what’s the point in that bout? This reminds me the Klits recycling KO victims like Tony Thompson… Bute has booked NO big wins since Froch, the case is NOT compelling…. We know Wards way too much for Froch but I can see the bout happening again…The other two contests are OLD business…Posted June 1, 2013 9:09 am
Tark… Put the bottle down you madman. One of the worst all time British fighters lists I’ve ever seen. Stick to what you know,because you obviously no fck all about brit boxing. For fck sake are you serious with that list??? Also I take it your retired from work? with the amount of time your on here.Posted June 1, 2013 8:33 am
van goghPosted June 1, 2013 8:28 am
What would losing to a 50 year old man do for Froch’s legacy? Let Nard fight someone in his own weight class.
Froch should fight Bika and Stieglitz for the WBC and WBO titles.Posted June 1, 2013 7:57 am
bute 2Posted June 1, 2013 7:36 am
I for one would rather Froch did not have a ‘Kessler III’ fight to be honest.
if froch says ward style is boring then he should not fight hopkins or else he a hypocrite.
You never know Bute has that optionPosted June 1, 2013 5:32 am
fighting cleverly, groves e.t.c. as ward will never fight in the uk the more logical fight before calling it quits would be a rubber match with kessler in amsterdam ( great weekend away) kessler wasnt shot half the punches he threw would have knocked out most super middleweights and the fight was close.Posted June 1, 2013 5:30 am
Ward is the best skilled LEACH SPOILER eve to grace the paid ranks, stinks the place out EVERY TIME!Posted June 1, 2013 5:07 am
mathews,hahahahaha you actually think Bute will want a rematch? me no think so.Posted June 1, 2013 5:05 am
Dave FYI in case you don’t realise Froch say’s he wont be fighting at light heavyweight, so he don t “need” to fight Clev or Hopkins. and who wants to watch Spoiler Ward in action ,not me.Posted June 1, 2013 5:02 am
Carl said he is willing to fight in Vegas. Get it done then. Schooled under bright lights.Posted June 1, 2013 4:52 am
Kessler is shot and everyone knows it, move on to a real challenge.Posted June 1, 2013 4:49 am
I agree Froch has to take on Ward soon – he’s 36 and not going to get any better or quicker.
Froch should face Hopkins next, then Ward. At the very least he should fight Cleverly who holds a World Title.
Hopkins and Ward are huge sell in the UK regardless of styles. Doe Froch want the best on his resume to enhance his legacy? I think he’ll play it safe against guys like Bute, (Pascal – who he beat before).
People out there asking what Hopkins victory brings – 10 times more than a Pascal one seen as Hops whupped Pascal ass not too long ago.
Cleverly has even said he can do 168 – man up Froch that fight would be huge.
Froch is scared of Cleverly – he could do that at a catchweight if he still had his balls, he lost those as soon as he got a bit of recognition.
Now he’s ‘PLAY IT SAFE CARL’, which is fine but his legacy will always be no:2 – the best of the rest.Posted June 1, 2013 4:48 am
Fortunately Bute can get the rematch when he wants in Canada since it was a contract agreement.Posted June 1, 2013 4:39 am
Carl Frampton is better than Carl Froch… So are Nathan Cleverly and George Groves… Lennox Lewis was also better and David Haye is definitely a better boxer and puncher than Froch ever was … So I’d say Froch is the 6th best Brit ever because he’s better than Hatton, Watt, Buchanan, Wilde, and Calzaghe, I think Wales is part of the UK. Also he’s better than Stracy, Green, Minter, Graham, Witter, Brook, Khan, and the guy who just whipped Sergio Martinez in a world title fight — although he didn’t get the decision. Can’t remember his name he’s so unimpressive … Anyway Froch is crazy if he thinks he’s the best Brit ever. But he’s better than many.Posted June 1, 2013 3:28 am
I’ve always thought Froch has performed above his ability/level. He always finds a way or manages to pull through and win against world class opposition, most of whom are superior BOXERS to him. He has that indomitable will to win that is usually the deciding factor. Personally, I didn’t think the Kessler-Froch II was that good. It was just a standard world title contest. Kessler was poor compared to his usual standards, he didn’t turn up until the middle rounds and froch was swinging wildly and missing on a lot of occasions. The first fight was better. I don’t know why torch has it in his head he’s the big dog of the division, Ward is street’s ahead in terms of ability and fighting prowess…he’s the man by a long, long way.Posted June 1, 2013 3:21 am
Jimmy Wilde was the man.
Carl Froch better than Jimmy Wilde … hilarious! Jimmy was in a totally different league to Froch. We’re talking about one of the hardest hitting boxers of all time, go and check his KO record, it’s incredible. Many of the top boxing Journalists around the world over several decades have agreed that Jimmy was the best Flyweight of all time, and P4P one of the hardest hitters of all time. The little man was incredible and weighed only 6 stone 10 pounds at his best weight! Comparing Froch to Wilde is like comparing cheap beer to champagne. Froch isn’t even the best SM of his generation! And there are several others who could right now and in the recent past have beaten him. Jimmy Wilde was a true great.
Oh and by the way … Froch lost to Dirrell. And we all know it.Posted June 1, 2013 1:36 am
Big Al Clearly you know little or nothing about the history of boxers in the UK. The name’s you mentioned are or were still active every recently, that is the extent of your boxing knowledge. For Carl to claim he is the best British boxer of all time is laughable in the extreme. The man is deluded beyond belief.Posted June 1, 2013 1:23 am
He has to earn his chance. He should already have 2 losses on his record. You don’t just get the immediate rematch for getting beat down for 4 rounds and KOd in the 5th. Nope, you have to fight your way back. He never fought nobody that was a danger anyways. They where all passed it or should of never been in the ring with him. Bute is a B fighter.Posted June 1, 2013 12:49 am
Give him a break guys. Carl’s just exacted revenge for his first loss, banked out as a major attraction and had a new baby all at the same time, so yeah, I can understand he’s excited. And if Naseem Hamed could claim to be the best ever when he was at his peak, Khan can try to fool us into believing that he’s faster than Manny Pacquiao and better than Mayweather, and David Haye could rob thousands of people by pretending to be a legitimate threat to a Klitschko, then it just seems to be a Brit thing, so no knock on him for trying to help himself along. He’s earned it in a way by giving us some real good fights, and winning most of them.Posted June 1, 2013 12:14 am
Bute dont get a chance to win his belt back in Canada? Why not. The way that deal was set up was backwards anyway.Posted May 31, 2013 11:48 pm
Bute does not deserve no shot at redemption. He won no part of the fight and was KOd in 5. End of story. Bute was overrated plain and simple.Posted May 31, 2013 11:42 pm
You still second best.Posted May 31, 2013 10:56 pm
spin the kinks
Another boring 12 Round UD for Ward.Posted May 31, 2013 10:35 pm
What??? Are you CRAZY??? NEXT fight is WARD… Froch will be 36 for that one and he can’t afford to wait another another few months.. After selling out the O2 Aren in only 4 hours with an immobile robot as an opponent, Forch is the hottest box office attraction in England..
If Froch’s promoter can’t pony up a super offer that Ward can’t turn down, they ought to drag the faker under the bleechers and cucumber the lad… Let’s get this fight going you clowns.Posted May 31, 2013 10:26 pm
I would like to see a Bute rematch in Canada.
Bute deserves a shot at redemption.
Froch doesn’t need a rematch with Ward anymore than Marquez needs a rematch with Floyd.
Then fight Bernard Hopkins in a “loser must retire” match.Posted May 31, 2013 10:12 pm
Shane..”blah, blah, blah.”Posted May 31, 2013 9:44 pm
Carl “The Cobra” Froch can decide.. “Hooray!”Posted May 31, 2013 9:02 pm
Mongrel is right.
Andre Ward is a boring fighter to watch.
I am huge boxing fan and I think this has been a good year for boxing with great action fights.
But I would rather watch Rhonda Roussey break some chic’s arm than watch Andre Ward.
That’s right, watching two girls fighting is more exciting than watching Andre Ward.Posted May 31, 2013 8:55 pm
This article appears to be written by somebody who works for Golden Boy and Bernard Hopkins.
Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. NOBODY WANTS TO PAY MONEY TO SEE BERNARD HOPKINS.
Bernard Hopkins has a terrible and frustrating style for boxing fans and for Carl Froch.
This article is stupid. Why should Carl Froch fight Bernard Hopkins. It is a high risk fight with a legendary dirty fighter who is a master at defense.
If Carl Froch is on the rise why should he fight Hopkins. It is high risk with low reward. Fight fans don’t want to see it.
Fight fans also don’t want to see Andre Ward. And Froch has already beaten Bute and Pascal. Again this article is stupid.
In my opinion, Froch should move up in weight and fight fan friendly fights. Tavoris Cloud. Nathan Cleverly. Sergey Kovalev. This would be all action fights with fighters who stand and fight where Carl Froch’s reach and ring smarts should get him exciting victories. If any of these fights are real wars then Froch could generate a PPV fight in an exciting fan friendly rematch.
Nobody wants to see Hopkins. Nobody wants to see Ward.Posted May 31, 2013 8:30 pm
Ward or Hops he gets embarrassed. He is being highly overrated right now. Kessler was shot when he BEAT Froch FFS.Posted May 31, 2013 8:07 pm
Fight Ward or Hopkins Froch – STOP DUCKING THE VERY,VERY BEST!Posted May 31, 2013 7:58 pm
Hopkins has to be next. He’s still whupping young kids but if you leave it any longer then you risk people saying he got old. As long as he looks good against Murat then the legend still has it and would be great for Froch to get him on his resume. That win would enhance his legacy and show he can come out of his comfort zone at SMW to fight and win. No other fights out there except Ward that’ll really push his legacy above Calzaghe’s. Guys like Groves do nothing to enhance his legacy – not until they at least pick up a strap and even then on its own its nowhere near enough.Posted May 31, 2013 7:50 pm
I have to say I agree Kev. Froch would face anyone anywhere but since this fight all I’ve seen is him giving reasons for not fighting people.
When did this dude grow a vagina?Posted May 31, 2013 7:43 pm
How come Froch can’t do LHW or catchweight for Hopkins or Cleverly but can for Pascal.
Surely he doesn’t expect Pascal to drop down to SMW.
He’ll duck Ward and Hopkins. Cleverly has offered to take the fight at SMW but if Froch had any balls he do it at a catchweight – fair on both guys but he said he’d take it at SMW so lets see if he does.
Kessler is finished – you only have to watch the fight again to see his reactions are gone, his balance has gone. I completely agree with Virgil Hunter on that and anybody that watches the fight again will see it with honest eyes.
Will Froch take a real challenge this time Ward, Hopkins at the very least Cleverly or will he look for a completely shot Kessler this time or a unproven guy like Groves or DeGale.
My money is on him not taking any serious challenge. When he was unknown he’d take riskier fights, now he’s known he seems to have gone completely the other way.Posted May 31, 2013 7:31 pm
who would refuse another war with Pascal,that fight was a classic, come to think of it most of the Cobra fights are classics, HOF UK fighter.Posted May 31, 2013 6:25 pm
Ward last but not least,who’s Hearn trying to kid he wants no part of Ward,Carl is a tough guy and exiting to watch,but he only almost took out a five year past his best Kessler,how ever ward would deal with Carl just as easily as he did last time,Hearn trying to get us to pay for rematches against Bute and Kessler,piss off Hearn all roads lead to Froch,ward is head and shoulders above Carl stop taking us for mugs you smarmy C*nt.Posted May 31, 2013 4:51 pm
good articlePosted May 31, 2013 4:39 pm