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TARK

A sucker punch in a boxing match is thrown on the break… Or after the bell… Or when touching gloves in the last round… Ortiz threw a sucker headbutt… Hugging and kissing when you’re supposed to be fighting can not be tolerated — even when you’re still begging forgiveness because you threw the most flagrant headbutt in many years.. Floyd was reminding Victor … “OK kid… The hugging and kissing part is over, we’re back to fighting.”

Posted June 8, 2013 4:53 pm 


Hidalgo

Wait, I know, you thought Mayweather’s sucker punches were “legal” because Jim Lampley said so, right, Ernie? LMAO!

Posted June 4, 2013 11:38 pm 


Hidalgo

Ernie, they were not legal punches. You need to watch replays of the fight. Maybe you can explain why Ortiz wasn’t ready to fight. Wait! I’ll tell ya why. Ref Cortez called them to the center of the ring but he didn’t tell them to resume fighting. Then explain to me why Ref Cortez had his left hand between the two fighters while he was looking at and talking to someone outside the ring. Wait. I’ll tell ya why! Because Cortez, the blundering fool. was trying to keep them apart while he let himself be distracted from his principle job–WATCHING THE FIGHT! Just because shocked Cortez took up a count then counted Ortiz out doesn’t mean squat. Hell, that idiot didn’t even see the knockout happen. How the hell can you call that legal? Cortez didn’t even know Floyd was swinging until he saw Ortiz on the canvas. The fool ref lost control of the fight. It should have been ruled a no contest and a an immediate rematch ordered. Btwy, Ernie, I’ll let you off the hook this time for calling me “Hissydawg.” I never insult or call anyone names until they do it to me first. But this time I’ll keep my gloves on. This time only.

Posted June 4, 2013 11:28 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Sorry Hissydawg, those were legit punches. I am not the world’s biggest Mayweather fan, but Ortiz had no business dropping his hands in the middle of the ring during a round.

The NUMBER 1 RULE IN BOXING: Protect yourself at ALL TIMES.

Not some times, or when you want to take a break to whine to the ref, but at ALL TIMES…

Posted June 4, 2013 11:49 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Sorry, but that was nothing but a prison-yard sucker punch. It’s probably the cheapest thing I’ve seen in over 25 years of watching boxing. (Maybe Tyson takes the cake for biting part of Holy’s ear off.) Sure… Ortiz deserved to be heavily penalized, but that was the Ref’s job. Every single person in that arena, and all those who paid $60 for PPV, deserved to get every cent of their money back — and it all should have come out of Floyd’s deep pockets. IMO, Floyd also shouldn’t get official credit for that KO.

Posted June 4, 2013 5:04 am 


Hidalgo

“Floyd didn’t throw any sucker punches…” Yes he did.

Posted June 4, 2013 12:26 am 


Happyboy

Spartacus65 – Pac is the only boxer who needs a Federal Judge to mediate taking OSDT, those who agreed and took it ( Mosley, Cotto, Ortiz, Guerrero & Alvarez) made the fights. To this day Pac has not taken the stricter drug tests, only after Marquez punched his senses in has he come out and demanded the same tests he refused to take in order to make possibly one of the biggest fights in boxing history. Funny how he has gotten over his phobia against needles now that Floyd is not on the opposite corner but another inhouse face first plodder coming off a loss and robbed Abril.

Posted June 3, 2013 9:14 pm 


Happyboy

Master headbutters get sucker punched by the master, end if story.

Posted June 3, 2013 9:13 pm 


TARK

Floyd didn’t throw any sucker punches… Ortiz is the jerk who was committing flagrant fouls.. Ortiz wanted out of the fight.. He let Floyd hit him and took the count.. Ortiz quit 3 times in fights so what would you expect from him???

Posted June 3, 2013 9:03 pm 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo – Weren’t you the same guy that said Mayweather would never fight Canelo because he cherry picks? ” No, Boxing God. I never said that. If you insist that I did, please quote me exactly and add the time and date stamp and the name of the article that I responded under.

Posted June 3, 2013 7:20 pm 


Hidalgo

You are right about one thing, Q. Floyd is 14 years older than Alvarez, not sixteen as I mistakenly posted.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:55 pm 


Hidalgo

“Gregorio Vargas? Are you kidding me? Vargas was a stay busy fight,” Q, you are wandering off-topic. SRedmond made a comment about age, I responded–about age. Doesn’t matter if they were tune-up fights or championship fights. Floyd has fought guys who were much older than him. Several times.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:54 pm 


Hidalgo

“Floyd isn’t a concussive puncher or anything.” Now that’s not true! Mayweather is a master sucker-puncher! Ask Victor!

Posted June 3, 2013 6:50 pm 


Pain

Canelo’s problem on this fight is his stamina. It will cost him on the later rounds provided the fight doesn’t end early.

Floyd has all the tools, but make no mistake. He will fvcking be tested. Canelo is no slouch.

Good head movement.
Good jab.
Raw power.
Fast combinations.
Body punching.

Factor in age and motivation, Floyd is in trouble. We are in for a treat.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:15 pm 


Q

“Tark shut it PBF will beat a light heavy weight that’s how good he is” co-sign. I also agree that Canelo is a bit of a coward. It’s easy to call Floyd out and get rich really, especially with 20+ pounds of an advantage, Floyd isn’t a concussive puncher or anything. You get a humiliating boxing lesson and move on with your life. So Floyd is the one going all in with this one. He’s fighting a big and good fighter (not great but very big)

Posted June 3, 2013 2:33 pm 


Q

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing): coming into the fight 165 would likely leave him 15 pounds over where FMJ will likely reach. That’s a LOT of pounds, and those are natural pounds on a guy who comfortably carries 172 pounds (he weighed more than Trout that bout), it doesn’t matter WHY he did it, the point is that HIS BODY ALLOWED him to pack on and carry that type of weight. Every pound above 165 for Canelo, will push him further over his 15 pounds he’ll likely have against FMJ as a likely minimum. Just me, he’ll pack on his weight, because he can retain his abilities while doing so, so why not? He won his biggest bout at his heaviest weight, don’t count on him not trying to blow up (unless you think he was slower at 172 with Trout than at 164 with Lopez). Stop the madness people, the size thing is the key they are banking on, unless you think he’s better than FMJ at something. I’ll wait to read what.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:30 pm 


Q

toosalty: “WOW I COULDNT HAVE SAID THIS ANY BETTER MYSELF A REAL BOXING EYE THAT SAW THE TROUT FIGHT “I can’t see the judges giving Canelo rounds against Mayweather based on Canelo landing the harder shots but getting outworked. That was the case against Trout, but I don’t see the next judges ignoring the fact that Mayweather fighting hard for three minutes, while Canelo is doing 1 minute of hard work and mainly just sitting back and looking to land an occasional hard shot. CANELO IS A BIGGER VERSION OF RICKY HATTON HE SUCKS.” – I agree with much of that, but Hatton was an intense pressure fighter at the point when he went to fight Floyd. He DID throw lots of punches, and was renowned for his pressuring body punching. I also think FMJ is more accurate than Trout so he HAS THE CHANCE and likelihood to land more flashy/telling shots than anything Trout could manage. Then, they can’t rightfully give Canelo rounds for landing with more force, because they SHOULD have in mind that this LITTLE FIGHTER, IS in there with a Middleweight fighter. FMJ SHOULD get credit for that, if they are going to consider everything. But hopefully there won’t be too many of Canelo’s harder shots landing.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:19 pm 


Q

Hidalgo: “Baldomir is six years older than Floyd. How about Gregorio Vargas who is seven years older than Floyd? When they fought Floyd was 23 and Vargas was 30. OMG! Carlos Hernandez, another of Mayweather’s past opponents, is 7 years older than Floyd.” You guys are about as bright as a transparent sack of dog shnit. Gregorio Vargas? Are you kidding me? Vargas was a stay busy fight, furthermore, 30 is still in your prime, so that’s COMPLETELY irrelevant. That’s ACTUALLY more impressive for FMJ, he was a kid (23 fights) beating a man in his prime years. Baldomir was the lineal champion of the weight Floyd had not long before WENT UP TO FIGHT AT, so also irrelevant. It’s not like fighting someone 14 years younger who is also on the downside of their talents and MOVING UP. Floyd is not and WAS not in the same division as Alvarez when he called him out. Floyd IS moving UP to fight a Small MW. that’s what it is. Floyd isn’t just 14 years older but he’s almost 40 and can’t make the division the other guy is BIG for. It’s really that he’s 20 pounds bigger and 14 years younger than an OLD fighter. But I still favor FLoyd, but he’s really going for it here. He’s going for something that only an ATG would be expected to attempt.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:15 pm 


Q

Hidalgo: “If Floyd chooses to fight in the jr. middleweight division, then his opponents SHOULDN’T be subject to any weight restrictions.” – On that same note, if you’re going to CALL OUT a fighter from a LOWER DIVISION, after they fought at that LOWER DIVISION, and you’re calling them UP… then yes you SHOULD be subject to some type of weight restriction or better yet FIGHT PEOPLE IN YOUR DIVISION -o- in the division you belong in (which could be MW for CA, if he wanted to take that challenge)

Posted June 3, 2013 2:03 pm 


Q

Rod: “Sweet Pea almost pitched a no hitter against. Havez sr and he didn’t have half the offensive skills of Mayweather and virtually no pop at all” Exactly. I think that’s one of the easiest “dream match-ups” ever talked about for a FMJ. That’s what I personally think. I don’t doubt it in any way.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:01 pm 


BOXING GOD

Hidalgo – Weren’t you the same guy that said Mayweather would never fight Canelo because he cherry picks? LMAO No, its the 2 lbs.? Where were you at when Pacman was fighting for his tiles with catch weights??? The Silence of the Lambs!!!!

Posted June 3, 2013 1:39 pm 


Rod

Sweet Pea almost pitched a no hitter against. Havez sr and he didn’t have half the offensive skills of Mayweather and virtually no pop at all

Posted June 3, 2013 12:48 pm 


RolandoMota

The rules are the rules, they weigh in the day before, whatever weight is gained or lost after in irrevalent, the WBA/WBC/IBF need to change the rules if there is a concern. Just one mans opinion.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:39 am 


Hidalgo

I meant to say “If Floyd chooses to fight in the jr. middleweight division, then his opponents SHOULDN’T be subject to any weight restrictions.”

Posted June 3, 2013 10:53 am 


Hidalgo

“But NEXT fight since you guys are SUDDENLY fans of HUGE weight discrepancies lets see how Floyd looks against someone 20 pounds lighter than him? After all that’s no big deal? And for good measure lets make sure the guy is 8 years OLDER than Floyd…??”

If both boxers are in the same weight class, it’s considered a fair fight. A boxer may weigh less than the weight limit of a specific class but can not weigh over the limit. Boxers can fight in as many weight divisions as they like, as long as they can make the weight during the weigh-in. If Canelo makes the required weight at weigh-in, he’s legally fighting as a jr. middleweight. If Floyd chooses to fight in the jr. middleweight division, then his jr. middleweight opponents should have any restrictions placed on them.

On the age thing, you know as well as I do that Floyd would fight a guy eight years older than him without a second thought. In fact, Floyd’s already fought a number of opponents who are significantly older than him. Baldomir is six years older than Floyd. How about Gregorio Vargas who is seven years older than Floyd? When they fought Floyd was 23 and Vargas was 30. OMG! Carlos Hernandez, another of Mayweather’s past opponents, is 7 years older than Floyd. In boxing, it’s not uncommon to have significant age discrepancies between fighters because many start boxing at a very young age and many continue to box well into their 30′s.

But just in case you forgot, Floyd is SIXTEEN years older than Canelo. Boxing is loaded with very young boxers. The longer Floyd stays in the game, the higher the likelihood that he’ll be fighting guys who are significantly younger than him. Canelo, on the other hand, will have the same opportunities when he is 30 or more years old. If he stays in boxing.

Posted June 3, 2013 10:51 am 


toosalty

I thought boxing was a point system not a who lands the hardest shot. 15 jabs 5 straight rights, 2 upper cuts, 8 left hooks beats 5 occationally landed hard punches all day long. Trout put on a boxing clinic just like Rigondeaux over Nonito. The fight went the exact same way 1 knockdown etc. Yall need to tell the truth and stop hyping this canelo kid up.

Posted June 3, 2013 10:05 am 


toosalty

WOW I COULDNT HAVE SAID THIS ANY BETTER MYSELF A REAL BOXING EYE THAT SAW THE TROUT FIGHT “I can’t see the judges giving Canelo rounds against Mayweather based on Canelo landing the harder shots but getting outworked. That was the case against Trout, but I don’t see the next judges ignoring the fact that Mayweather fighting hard for three minutes, while Canelo is doing 1 minute of hard work and mainly just sitting back and looking to land an occasional hard shot. CANELO IS A BIGGER VERSION OF RICKY HATTON HE SUCKS.

Posted June 3, 2013 9:58 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, I don’t lose sleep over taking a flyer on Peterson and being wrong… Floyd Mayweather is NOT Lamont Peterson he’s the best fighter in the World and Canelos not CLOSE to that… It’s implied that anything can happen in boxing but we are discussing one of the best technicians in boxing history facing a guy who won what most intelligent observers feel was a close bout with Austin Trout… A lot of Canelos habits plate right into Floyd’s hands ie suspect stamina, fighting in spurts, leaden feet, and not employing angles… Add to that Alvarez is orthodox, and size aside he’s not bringing anything Floyd has not seen to the table… But then again your a nutcase who thinks a 22 year old with Austin Trout on his resume is better than Oscar De La Hoya was as a fighter…

Posted June 3, 2013 7:58 am 


SREDMOND

Announcement to all of those dreaming Canelos ginna be the guy to hand Floyd his first loss it’s not gonna happen… Canelos a very good fighter but he’s being thrown to the wolves and being well compensated to get in over his head… Floyd’s getting Old but he’s not Old enough yet to lose to a plodding fighter like Canelo…Alvarez cannot even fight a hard 3 mins per round and when he realizes he is in the ring with the MOST elusive fighter he ever faced its only gonna magnify his fatigue… But NEXT fight since you guys are SUDDENLY fans of HUGE weight discrepancies lets see how Floyd looks against someone 20 pounds lighter than him? After all that’s no big deal? And for good measure lets make sure the guy is 8 years OLDER than Floyd…??

Posted June 3, 2013 7:49 am 


James

These writers are full of it from day one they keep on pushing like if there is a mismatch. Floyd has fought at 154 and came in at 152 with Cotto and nobody knows Floyd real weight because he never reveals his unofficial weight. All this crying about weight is bunch of B.S.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:20 am 


tachyon

Good TARK I see your awake, I’m making sure you have not gone soft with your post. Trout was knocked down but still ahead on points the man threw more and connected more than Canelo no way he should have lost that fight compu box said it all. Without a KO Canelo should not have won. Be as it may Canelo still was at Light Heavy Weight when he stepped into the ring and should not have been allowed to fight at that weight. No fighter should be able to gain more than 4 pounds between weigh in and fight night. Technically official weigh should be the night of the fight case closed.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:16 am 


TARK

Tachyon… Shut your sucker man.. I have Floyd for now, but this is a tight one for Floyd.. Competitive as Hell.. Trout beat up Cotto also—without getting cracked in the snoot with as many claret drawing jabs.. You didn’t see those Q-tips up his nose.. Trout is 6 feet tall X 171…so sure he going to beat up Cotto..

Was Trout big enough for you as an Alvarez opponent??? Because he got knocked flat on his ass for the 1st time in hs career — beaten 1st time too.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:10 am 


Fighting Words

Canelo could and would beat Mayweather if Canelo was promoted by someone else. Cotto bruised Mayweather up when they fought and Cotto is not as strong as Canelo and Cotto does not throw combinations like he used to when he gets in range. Mayweather is a actually a Jr WW and Canelo has made his whole career out of fightings fighter so much smaller then he is. Who knows Canelo may have Mayweather number like JMM has Manny’s number. I got the feeling that Show Time gave Mayweather a pep talk about fighting Canelo. Canelo is a big drawn now, and Show Time can make a profit on their inverstment with Mayweather with this fight.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:37 pm 


Tachyon

Tark shut it PBF will beat a light heavy weight that’s how good he is and how over hyped Canelo is. if Canelo were a true champion he would be fighting at 168 to 172. He drys out to make 154 and balloons up to 172 hoping he will have the advantage in weight and strength shame crap like this is allowed in boxing. Great sport gone down hill.

Posted June 2, 2013 9:46 pm 


spartacus 65

I second that notion Peej. I thought this fight would be more competitive. Possibly a candidate for fighterof the year. But I guess Mr.Lucas obviously had other ideas.Lol.

Posted June 2, 2013 9:44 pm 


TARK

I didn’t take offense Largo… But I don’t think an excited little girl has perspective.. That’s more like Floydiots.. I might hype it up, but I try to keep it even keel so I can see both sides.. A lot of times you miss something because you’re so damned sure of something.

Posted June 2, 2013 9:25 pm 


PEEJ

I thought Peterson would win a decision and I was dead wrong. Matthysse is a beast

Posted June 2, 2013 9:18 pm 


largo

TARK, sorry man, i didn’t mean to be offensive; i have high regard for your comments, in fact i enjoy them, even though i sometime disagree…but i didn’t mean no harm.

Posted June 2, 2013 9:16 pm 


spartacus 65

That Lucas Matteysse is VICIOUS. HE was a sleeper buried on goldenboy undercards. DARN,did he make a statement. Let me tell you, a high quality skill set is what ultimately determines the outcome in a fight bit power IS the great EQUALIZER and one punch from a natural power hitter just has the potential to upset everything. That’s what makes boxing so exciting. Can’t compare it to anything else.

Posted June 2, 2013 8:40 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

When the fight was announced you instantly posted there would be 2.7 million PPV buys for the fight, right after you creamed your jeans Tard. That was hilarious…

Posted June 2, 2013 8:36 pm 


TARK

Largo…. You’re like a little girl with your condescending remarks… I’m just keeping a fight like this in perspective.. This fight could go either way and Floydiots should not be caught with their pants down.

Like Sred got caught when he started salivating about Peterson-Matthysse… After the first round he posted, “HAHAHAHA… Peterson is going to give Matthysse a boxing lesson… This is going to be FUN!!!”

Right… The slavering moron.

Posted June 2, 2013 8:04 pm 


spartacus 65

Largo, don’t worry champ, im not going anywhere anytime soon. Lol. I’ve squared up with some formidable cats when it comes to sparring or grappling ,so a keybboard attack I just d o the old sidestep. Lol. Still thanks brother for being sensible. And None of us have to agree with EVERYTHING the other fella says. That’s what makes it interesting and productive. Everyone has a valid point on something. That’s quite cool in my book. But it does get ugly when a Mayweather critic is verbalized. I’ve seen fellas come close to getting physical especially since this fight was announced. As if tney have a bigger personal axe to grind. This is no attempt at joking. Believe me. Peace and strength brother.

Posted June 2, 2013 7:37 pm 


largo

TARK, you’re like a little girl excited about the new kid in the block…LOL! but that’s not a bad thing, i understand your enthusiasm, the kid ain’t bad, no bad at all…

Posted June 2, 2013 7:19 pm 


largo

Q, do me a favor, shorten those long ass comments & don’t scare spartacus 65 away; I don’t agree with everything he says but he likes boxing & has the right to speak his mind…disagree without being impolite. Thank you.

Posted June 2, 2013 7:14 pm 


spartacus 65

That fight was a a barn burner. Mosley and Oscar were in their primes and the soeed and combination punching displayed by both men was high caliber stuff. Remember as if it eas yesterday. Hiweber Oscar as was his Achilles heel, faded during the second half of the bout just as mosley made some adjustments and really stepped up his game another notch. I will give Oscar his just due. The man was willingly to face anyone win or lose during his time in the ring.,Mosley was something to see in those days. Very durable chin, high octane offense, beautiful blend of speed and power. Im a Pacquiao fan but had manny faved THAT version of Mosley it could very well been a different ending.

Posted June 2, 2013 6:45 pm 


TARK

Sred sez…., “Canelo is FRESH, YOUNG, BIG and coming off his biggest victory… So in what regard is Floyd not stepping up??”

Floyd is stepping it up BIG TIME!!! I’m glad Sred is acknowledging this fact. The Canelo-Trout fight was like the first Oscar-Mosley fight.. Only it was fought before 42,000.. Canelo passed his test … Oscar didn’t.

Posted June 2, 2013 5:59 pm 


Q

glove loader Marg.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:06 pm 


Q

spartacus 65: It’s not bias, I’m a fan of the sport of boxing and I’m fortunate enough to be commenting on one the the greatest of all time. Every little comment you make about FMJ is bias and often enough misinformed, one sided… in terms to EVERY LITTLE THING about FMJ and his career. I’m putting out actually facts, and you’re telling me that you “disagree” …with what? I’m telling you weights at certain points, power levels of the guys.. I’m telling you what I’ve seen on film being said, I’m not speculating on ANYTHING AT ALL, it’s not opinion… you can disagree with facts, but that’s a bit loopy. I guess one of the only OPINIONS I’ve written is that AM had no business fighting for a 154 title at that point and at 150, and that this Canelo is far more of a threat and just came in a functional 172 pounds. The AM that MP fought also got his a** kicked by the Cotto that FMJ FOUGHT, the Cotto that MP fought got his a** kicked my the Margarito. Somethings gotta give. Anyway, I disagree with most of what you write. But ok. I won’t comment nor address your OPINIONS with my own, but when the FACTS are being twisted, I may be tempted to offer the FACTS. Peace.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:04 pm 


spartacus 65

Hi Q. The bias you speak of perhaps you should take a look in the mirror. Everything you just said with all due respect I disagree. You are a fanatic of Mayweather to the point that if someone disagrees with you ,you take it to almost personal injury. Yesterday you went somewhere in your commentary towards me that you,sir should not have gone. Your reactions border on an almost cult like admiration for this man. I will continue to comment on this forum because I am a fan and most of the fellas contributing on this site are pretty cool guys. I respectfully ask you not to address your issues towards me anymore because I find yoy to be a bit disrespectful as well as disturbingly zealous in regards to Mr. Mayweather. That’s the last time I will address you sir. Thank you.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:43 pm 


Q

spartacus 65: Are you implying that the Manny that beat AM (and reportedly couldn’t leave bed for days after) 100% would have beaten this Canelo at the weight Floyd is fighting him at? Are you implying the with age and sizes considered and power that Floyd has done the same thing or more in terms of moving up in weights? If Floyd wasn’t trying to do the Olympic thing, he would have ALSO been a little bitty guy as a pro… but that’s not what happened. There is a bit of ignorance in terms of these things. What we know is that Arum doesn’t make fights with GB…. period…. and that Team Arum were the guys playing games. I remember when Floyd picked the venue and said he wanted “the little guy” and Arum… WENT ON FILM… saying “I’ve heard he wants to fight Eric Morales” …I’ve seen how this has played out.. and I’m not ever gonna place the burden all on Mayweather, that’s nonsensical and irrational. Arum also was on film before the Manny Vs. Bradley bout I believe, saying that Manny would NOT except ANYTHING under 50-50… “the future president of the Philipines doesn’t have to accept anything” or some madness like that, this is all what I’VE SEEN on film. no hearsay. You’re bias and spread misinformation online.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:33 pm 


Q

spartacus 65: I realize you’re just a bias guy, Sir. Everything you say has a bias against FMJ, and if you want to be quoting people, Hearns said on film that he Vs. FMJ would have been a good fight and did not say he would have beat him (regardless of what YOU think since YOU want to make quotes) and Leonard is also on film winking his opinion of who wins between Mayweather and Manny, and indicated that his choice is Mayweather. Since we are quoting. Lastly, Manny and Mayweather were all set to fight and Manny didn’t want to test his blood (in this era of doping), later with all the bad blood it got more and more difficult to make the fight, Arum and team Manny helped (if Manny really wanted the bout he would have accepted the biggest payday of his life for that bout later down the line -OR- he would have accepted the blood test long ago which was the ONLY thing left to be contracted)… he and his team and Arum wanted to play mind games, then their were legal troubles and as you’ve seen Top Rank fighters don’t fight GB fighters. That said, Margarito was taken down to 150 this after looking very ordinary after the glove discovery and the beating to SM. He had come off a suspension and that was his second bout at 15(“4″) and he really had no business in the ring fighting for ANY title. Margarito at that point isn’t anything to be compared to Canelo right now, he doesn’t even come in as heavy, he’s slower, etc etc… and it can be said that Canelo at 154 is more dangerous for FM than MP ever was at 147. It COULD be said. You’re bias 100% period.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:26 pm 


spartacus 65

Sredmond, whats up? Mayweather stepped up to Canelo. Im referring to not stepping up to the “little guy”. Pacquiao at his best during that time presented a far greater risk than canelo does now in terms of styles. Still kudos to the fight being made.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:24 pm 


Q

Tim: “You guys are analyzing the weight thing WAY too much. Pacman fought guys much bigger than him but still won becz of his skills, speed, stamina, experience, toughness, and punching power.” I still think Floyd can pull it off because that’s how great I think he is, but let’s put this into perspective. 1. Floyd is NOT a big puncher, which isn’t a small factor at all when speaking about men going up in weight. Your ability to keep guys honest while moving up in weight is ALWAYS the main question asked when guys move up. 2. FMJ became pro at 19… at 130lbs. Many wouldn’t be that age until about 1998. Floyd was at 130 pounds for 5 years, after the age of 19. Which would have mad him about 24 before becoming a lightweight. From 1998 when Manny would have been the age Mayweather was turning pro through a 5 year stretch… Manny went from his little weight to a featherweight. When you consider that Floyd has a more long body, that’s only one weight class of difference, and isn’t really much considering Manny was always a power puncher. 125 Manny, and 130 Mayweather. So, from 125 to fighting AM… was about 35 pounds? In comparison to Floyd from a more similar age point and now fighting Canelo.. if you consider the size of Canelo in his last bout is about 42 pounds. Then you have to consider that Canelo of 2013 is far more dangerous than that AM that Manny fought at 150 or whatever, and that FMJ is NOT a power puncher, and the reality is that, Floyd is ACTUALLY fighting with bigger size disparities than Manny. When Manny turned pro and when FMJ was still and Amateur, they were the same weight. This is the understory that people miss.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:16 pm 


spartacus 65

True he dropped four lbs. And here comes the rehydrate evil, gained quite a bit back. Still he stood to gain tremendously financially fighting pacman. He took basically the safer road to thesame goal. It must be good however to be both guys cause pacman will make a killing financially fighting in china. Still in Mayweather s own words he says quite clearly he doesn’t care about legacy. Its about the money. No truer words were spoken.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:06 pm 


spartacus 65

Also the myth that Pacquiao did not want to take the drug test has long been debunked. After initially refusing he came to his senses and went with it. That is well documented. A federal judge got involved with BOTH sides to mediate a deal in which Seth abraham president of hbo sports was present and Pacquiao was quite willingly to concede this. At that point after Pacquiao called the bluff Mayweather declined with some ,I will just say unjustifiable reason. This is cooborated by Seth Abraham himself who was present. Later Pacquiao went even further on espn and stated in plain english who would even take less of a purse. Mayweather REFUSED. Even his staunchest supporters at that point saw the writing on the wall. Even Mr.Stephen A. Smith his most ardent supporter said he cant defend that. Just facts gentlemen. Still it doesnt matter . That fight is history.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:38 pm 


SREDMOND

Let’s be historically accurate, Pacquiao did “step up” AFTER he made Margarito drop 4 pounds… Margo was a guy who NEVER looked anything more than decent after Shane Mosley knocked him out and he absorbed all that abuse against Cotto… I give Manny his due because Tony was big, but Canelo is FRESH, YOUNG, BIG and coming off his biggest victory… So in what regard is Floyd not stepping up?? Floyd turned down a second Oscar fight after he did not like the terms, of course that money huge but FMJ earned more in one year than any of those fighters…His contract is unprecedented so questioning his business acumen is a JOKE… His BAD nights are 32 million now and the Canelo bout shout get him another SUPER fat Payday 40 mill plus when the receipts come in… I can imagine its pretty cool being FMJ these days…

Posted June 2, 2013 2:30 pm 


spartacus 65

Good after noon champ. How are you? Problem with that is It is documented that that was not the deal Mayweather offered Pacquiao in the end. He said , this is well DOCUMENTED that 40 million or norhing at all. No PAY PER VIEW for pac. None., Take it or leave it. Even Dan Rafael who contributes on espb boxing was disappionted at that one. Particularly after defending Mayweather to a degree for quite some time. Brother that is well known. About the weight issue I do wish that it was done like the old days. I really do. A lot of these guys in my view are just too lazy to stay in year round condition as do both Mayweather and Pacquiao. Both come in by and large at the contracted weight on fight night. Julio junior is aperfect poster boy for the weighr issue. Still it’s the way it is and it won’t change soon. Looking forward to a good fight.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:27 pm 


tachyon

spartacus 65 that is a double edged sword no one turns down a 120 million dollar fight and part of PPV sales because they are afraid to take a 20 dollar drug test even Ray Charles could see through Pac on that one.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:02 pm 


spartacus 65

Nice point Tim on Pacquiao. He was much smaller than Margarito yet he STEPPED up and did what he had to do. Fight. He literally BROKE that mans face. No exaggeration there. That is why in simplistic terms Mayweather avoided him at the time. NOBODY TURNS DOWN over 120 million dollars plus a slice of the pay per view . Nobody. Unless they are reluctant to risk a competitive fight. The offer Mayweather made Pacquiao in regards to a flat payout is what is called in boxing, aSuckers deal. Mike Tyson,holmes hearnsand leonard all said after that “somebodys scared and it aint the little guy.

Posted June 2, 2013 1:59 pm 


spartacus 65

Tim my good man, THANK YOU. The most spot on commentary this morning. Waaaaaay too much is being made out of the weighr issue. As I said before I never liked the rehydrating thing but that’s what rules the day now, fair or unfair. Mayweather accepted it so it should be a moot point.

Posted June 2, 2013 1:46 pm 


tachyon

Mr.666 in the words of the ancient English long bowmen “Pluck Yew”

Posted June 2, 2013 1:22 pm 


tachyon

te tumbo you proved my point with your own post. If Canelo fights at the weight he is supposed to Super Middle to Light Heavy he gets his ass handed to him every time, GBP has him fighting at 154 so he can ballooning up to 172 giving him a serious unfair advantage. Te Tumbo so long as your boy can cheat its fine if someone else does it you cry foul. Hypocrite

“no urgency for Canelo to make the jump to 168lbs or 175lbs to face Ward or Hopkins(!?). unless you’re eager to see Canelo lose”

Posted June 2, 2013 1:20 pm 


Tim

You guys are analyzing the weight thing WAY too much. Pacman fought guys much bigger than him but still won becz of his skills, speed, stamina, experience, toughness, and punching power. Pbf has all of those things too, except for he doesn’t punch as hard as pacman. But, he punches hard enough to get respect. Canelo is a good fighter, but far from a Pacman. And he has very little top level experience. Pbf will win by UD unless Canelo lands a big punch. A prime Pacman, the one who destroyed Cotto, would have been hell for Pbf. A definite 50/50 fight.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:47 pm 


te tumbo

TACHYON, you must Hate Canelo more than most(?). many question whether he’s even ready or worthy enough to face the smaller and 36-year-old Mayweather at 152lbs(?!). you up the Hate-ante by implying that Mayweather is some cherrypicked opponent that allows Canelo to “avoid” the very best, proven, tested, and elite comp between 168lbs and 175lb(?!). i do agree that Martinez would’ve been the better choice for Canelo but not because he represents a more difficult opponent than Floyd. there isn’t a more difficult opponent for Canelo than Mayweather, which completely Blows-Up your accusation of Canelo “avoiding” anybody. allow me to break it down for you: regardless of his fight-night weight, Canelo looked great for his 154lb weigh-in v. Trout. a lot better than Cotto did for his 140lb weigh-ins or Morales for his final weigh-ins at 130lbs. IF Canelo defeats Floyd, he may have earned a pass to skip the bundle of intriguing matchups at 154lbs and target the likes of Martinez and Golovkin at 160lbs instead. if Canelo loses, those 154lb-matchups become even more intriguing. in either case, there is certainly no urgency for Canelo to make the jump to 168lbs or 175lbs to face Ward or Hopkins(!?). unless you’re eager to see Canelo lose, i.e., Hater.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:45 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Nice job covering your bases Tard…

Posted June 2, 2013 12:18 pm 


tachyon

te tumbo what do you mean by artificial low weight? Canelo is fighting at 154 to avoid Froch, B-hop, Bute, Martinez, AA, Ward, etc. Only thing artificial is the fact Canelo is allowed to fight at 147 or 154, He should be fighting at Super Middle or Light Heavy Weight.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:02 pm 


Tomato Can

If you’ve been betting against Mayweather in the past, then you should difinately take Canelo for this fight. Mayweather is going to have to bring his A game to win this fight, and even then he’ll need be prepared to absorb some heavy shots. I agree this is one of those fights where age and size advantages just might out weigh skill and experiance.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:49 am 


spartacus 65

Hmmm. The weight issue could work BOTH WAYS. Good fot Canelo and NOT good for Canelo. Anonymous is correct when he says skills is ultimately what determines the outcome. I have to include the age factor as well. Canelos youth vs Mayweather s age and experience. Also Canelos conditioning will definitely play a factor. His training camp in my view will tell the story.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:20 am 


te tumbo

20lbs of rehydration could become an advantage if Saul didn’t kill himself boiling down to an artificially low weight(?). ultimately this fight will boil down to what Floyd brings to the ring and Canelo’s ability to handle it. it’s Mayweather’s fight to lose and Canelo will have to be mentally and physically-prepared to exploit any opening that presents itself. including something he’s never experienced or even imagined before. that’s the challenge of facing a P4P great like Mayweather. anything can happen. including 20lbs becoming an advantage or disadvantage.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:14 am 


Anonymous

Weight wont help his skills. Floyd is a pure boxer not a K.O. artist like Mike Tyson, he would much rather out-point a guy instead of risk being hurt trying to get a knock out, For this reason people say he is boring not understanding boxing is a sweet science, However this should be a exciting fight, Guerreo couldn’t find his range nor land anything solid. Canelo can mix it up more but in the end it will be 45-0. Mayweather should break Rocky Marciano record and shut there nay sayers and white folks up…

Posted June 2, 2013 8:40 am 


ice

Floyd is one of the best fighters ever

Posted June 2, 2013 8:39 am 


ice

Floyd is the one of the most exciting fighter of all time, that is just a fact

Posted June 2, 2013 8:37 am 


Anonymous

Floyd is the most boring fighter in the history of boxing second to Hopkins.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:41 am 


Q

given

Posted June 2, 2013 4:12 am 


Q

Tark – I won’t kid around, very possible, jaja. People take Floyd winning for a giving because he’s an ATG Legend in an era of top 10er level fighters, but he’s going to be fing small in this fight against a strong strong fighter with talent. We will see.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:54 am 


TARK

Another scenario…. Canelo lands on Floyd’s chin.. knocks him cold as ice.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:55 am 


zera

another scenario:

1. a gassed out Canelo getting picked apart

2. FMJ dancing around landing hard shots

3. Canelo will look bigger but slower

4. Sr. is in FMJ corner, FMJ getting his father on his corner means they are sharpening again his defensive skills, FMJ learned from Cotto, and he wouldn’t make the same mistake twice…

keys to victory for Canelo

1. punches in bunches, miss the first 4 punches, he must land the last 3 or 2 punches (which is hard for the elusive FMJ)

2. Train harder, build stamina for 30 rounds, he is going to need it, he needs to dig deep catching up with FMJ

3. keep the pressure on, cut the ring wisely learn because the man he is facing is wiser than him and won’t be pinned in the ropes, FMJ won’t trade punches and go toe to toe with him.

4. prepare for the Offensive and Defensive Floyd, no one knows who will show up.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:37 am 


TARK

…..”I can’t see the judges giving Canelo rounds against Mayweather based on Canelo landing the harder shots but getting outworked.”

Why not??? If Canelo lands 8 hard shots in a round and Floyd lands 11 soft ones, Canelo will get the round based on more damage done. That’s how professional boxing works.. You give the round to the guy who did the most damage, not who worked his ass off but was ineffective … You don’t get E for effort.

Posted June 2, 2013 1:30 am 


spartacus 65

This is bad. This is not objective writing at ALL. What we have here is an OPINION PIECE. I’ve always said some or most of these boxing forums are hideaways for people who have a gripe about a fighter,they have an agenda or they look to pump up THEIR favorite fighter. Then comes the baseless accusations without proof and along the way occasionally, race plays a not positive role. Eastside boxing used to be better than this. WHAT HAPPENED?

Posted June 2, 2013 1:27 am 


TARK

This pundit writes…, “Canelo’s stamina is really lacking to the extreme.”

To the extreme??? How do you beat a slick undefeated southpaw, who is much taller than you, and who just beat an ATG boxer in Miguel Cotto, if your stamina is lacking in the EXTREME???

George Foreman fought Jimmy Young, who had a record of 20-5-1, and George flat ran out of gas, and barely survived the 12th against the feather fisted tyro.. That’s what stamina issues look like.. Canelo has gone 12 rounds several times.. He’s won every time and has no stamina issues. He trains really hard.

Posted June 2, 2013 1:22 am 


zurdo40

Jeff Sorby… yes canelo is a coward… he is fightin smaller rivals. He is a 22 years old coward. But if canelo is a coward where is 36 years old Floyd??? The p4p King never fought a real prime great fighter. Floyd avoid the much smaller pacquiao!!!! Floyd cheated about the weight against the even smaller jm marquez. 600, 000 dls was the cost of that cheat. And once over the ring, despite weight, age and size advantage he simply was afraid of trade with marquez and gave us another “great” purist boxing night. Nobody in boxing is more protected than Floyd, nobody. Remember he is “the american boxing hero”.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:43 am 


Anonymous

Mayweather has gotten OLD. Can mayweather be beaten YES.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:40 am 


PEEJ

Unfortunately Adrien likes to twist history to try snd make his theories true. Unfortunately it is so easy to prove him wrong

Posted June 2, 2013 12:27 am 


c.morgan

Until his mental meltdown, Victor Ortiz was doing pretty well and landing some hurtful leather on Mayweather. A depleted Cotto did pretty well. Is Canelo worse than these two fighters? I think he is much better and also much bigger than that duo, his hands are pretty fast as well, maybe not as fast as Ortiz but definitely a lot faster than Cotto.

I think Mayweather will win but it won’t be a walk in the park.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:19 am 


largo

Adrian, he’s SRedmond in steroids! LOL!

Posted June 2, 2013 12:13 am 


JP

Did a 20lb different help Margarito against Pac? It’ll be the same result. Mayweather by embarrassment.

Posted June 1, 2013 11:49 pm 


Adrian

Largo – Q is sredmond .

Posted June 1, 2013 11:45 pm 


Adrian

Webster obviously not ,I started to think all these esb authors are one and the same guy who uses different names ! How can he claim” his 20 punes weight advantage” when the fight still didnt happen ? And he dosent mention the catch weight wich is the main story !!!!

Posted June 1, 2013 11:42 pm 


Webster

Is there not a single author at ESB who can be remotely objective about this fight?

Posted June 1, 2013 11:40 pm 


largo

i feel sorry for Q’s & hecdog’s neighbors…those mother fvckers can talk & talk & talk some more. God have mercy!

Posted June 1, 2013 11:11 pm 


mayweather86

How u have made it this long @hecdog without running into a wall baffles me. Your boxing are about as pathetic as your bible humping. You have clearly never stepped foot in a ring or attemptedto wrestle in your younger days bc your understanding of how people carry weight and rehydrate themselves is just flat out wrong. Canelos frame is well suited to carry that weight, he knows it, his team knows, the only person who doesn’t seem to get it is u. But that doesn’t surprise me really. Your making excuses well ahead this time around eh lol

Posted June 1, 2013 11:07 pm 


Public Enemy

Mayweather saw what we all saw, Canelo gassing out in the 3rd round vs a feather fisted Trout.. helpless against the ropes gasping for air.. he’s going to beat this kid eaiser then his fight vs Guererro….

Posted June 1, 2013 10:47 pm 


Shatterd Dreams

Hey i never said anything about greatness.

Posted June 1, 2013 10:26 pm 


Shatterd Dreams

Q…I’m pretty sure when these fellas come head to head at the weigh in the physical diffrence in size between them in size won’t be that great. They always magnify size in the lower weight divisions. Canelo will probably be a bit heavier come fight night but he’s not that much bigger then Mayweather. Like that if Floyd can deal with De La Hoya he can deal with Canelo, even Canelo’s record albeit a decent one flatters to deceive, excluding his last outing he’s beaten a lot of fighters that were past their best.

Posted June 1, 2013 10:23 pm 


FRIED CHICKEN, WATERMELON & GRAPE KOOL-AID

FLOYD GONNA GIVE CANELO THE BEATING OF HIS LIFE, YO.

Posted June 1, 2013 10:22 pm 


Shatterd Dreams

Ghost you be the man all bow before your greatness !!!!!

Posted June 1, 2013 10:13 pm 


KOrnerman

Floyd is just doing a Manny by making Alvarez come in at 152,no
different at all. Canelo will punish Floydie for this

Posted June 1, 2013 10:09 pm 


The Low Blow

Floyd will be too much for Canelo in EVERY department .

Posted June 1, 2013 10:06 pm 


Shatterd Dreams

Ghost…You speak the truth, the only divsion that fighters actually come in at their natural weight is the unlimited weight of the heavyweight division, it’s the only division were weight is’nt the issue. Mayweather and Canelo don’t walk around at 147 or 154 for that matter.

Posted June 1, 2013 10:04 pm 


te tumbo

Speaking the TRUTHS as usual Pubics !!!!

Posted June 1, 2013 10:04 pm 


Pubic Enema

Money mayflower will be to much for this Mexican tumbleweed blow in blown out by Mayflower Junior !!!!

Posted June 1, 2013 10:03 pm 


Q

Shatterd Dreams: Um, glad you give the nod to Mayweather, but what’s so speculative? Floyd weighed 146 in his last bout and Canelo 172, that’s 26 unspeculated pounds. You’re really comparing the size difference between Manny and Hatton to that of FMJ and Canelo? It’s not even close. YES, the size difference will be significant, will it win Canelo the bout, I’ll say probably not, because you don’t go against Floyd… but 20 pounds is ACTUALLY saying the FMJ will weight as many as 4 pounds heavier and Canelo 2 pounds lighter than in their respective last bouts…. so you can call is speculation, but it COULD end up being generous even, jaja.

Posted June 1, 2013 10:01 pm 


Dino

I see the young lion getting tired in the middle rounds, Mayweather is always in GREAT shape, I see Money tagging this kid all night, Canelo not ready for the BIG SHOW.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:51 pm 


Ghost

I guess all these ppl bringing up weight must be new boxing fans. Since forever just about every single fighter puts on weight after the weigh in. What the hell is all the talk about it now? no one fights at their walking around weight. If that was the case boxers wouldn’t work their ass of to cut weight. I seen Mannyy taking on bigger guys an knocking them out without a problem no one made a issue then.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:35 pm 


Weighing it all up

Canelo by brutal knockout.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:33 pm 


Shatterd Dreams

A 20lb weight advantage is speculative, the size diffrence between Canelo and Mayweather is’nt going to be all that massive on the night. Look at Hatton vs Pacquiao, Hatton was supposed to be the bigger man, the size difference was pretty minimal in the end and it meant nothing. If Mayweather can outbox De La Hoya he can probably outbox Canelo. It’s a good matchup to be fair but a fight with Martinez would be a more exciting bout.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:30 pm 


zera

this fight three scenarios:

1. Floyd makes Canelo miss his shots and capitalizes it, EASY UD WIN for FMJ

2. Canelo shrugs off the perfect counters and pressure Floyd to go toe to toe (which i doubt…) go to the body and hopes he slows down still SPLIT DECISION for FMJ

3. Canelo looking slow and eating dust, swinging for the fences, Floyd dances around (like scenario no.1 only this time FMJ made it look damn! easy!) FMJ FOR EASY UD WIN.

but people, this is boxing, anything and i mean anything can happen.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:29 pm 


Havoc

Q- it doesn’t matter how big Canelo will come fight night. Floyd is the master of defense you can’t beat a turtle. Floyd will make this fight the most boring of all time.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:28 pm 


Havoc

If this happens in HBO maybe it will be called mega fight. But Showtime….I don’t think so.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:16 pm 


Rem

And i just wanna say if Floyd looses his stock doesnt drop 1 bit with me. With Canelos size he can ko Floyd with 1 flush shot or drop him with a liver shot. This is a serious reality with this fight Floyd lost a little bit of speed during the layoff between Hatton and Marquez.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:15 pm 


hecdog

Q, sabotage his body? I don’t agree with that at all. The fight should have been at the 154 period. This is a title fight for the Junior Middleweight titles. I don’t believe Floyd has to do anything to comfortably make this weight. How exactly does Floyd sabotage himself to make this weight? I’m curious. He’s older, and so it’s more natural for him to fight at a slightly heavier weight than normal. I don’t think Floyd actually gives out his true walking around weight or after weigh in weight for a reason. Trust me, he carries more weight into that ring than he admits. He plays way too many head games. The weight has no bearing.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:51 pm 


Q

hecdog: what? TYSON WAS A HEAVYWEIGHT AND A BRUTAL PUNCHER, Toney and Jones were both harder punchers than FMJ and both fought as high as HW… where are you going with this? Floyd is a BOXING, him going over 150 does NOT in any way help him, the man doesn’t need that and it isn’t this great benefit to him… the man was on 148 a week or more before he fought Guerrero and 146 on fight night, what are you talking about dude? are you kidding? And my question to you is did you not hear Canelo’s trainer saying they wouldn’t go down in weight at all? The actual agreed on weight was 150, because that’s what CANELO AND TEAM said they’d do for the fight, FYI, and 152 was what CANELO AND HIS TEAM agreed on… are you really that keyed in on down talking Floyd? And no matter what you say, Canelo carried 172… it’s not about him being more acclimated to 152 (then against he’s going down 2 pounds and FMJ is going up 4 so yeah.. Canelo should be more acclimated to that weight also) but the point is Canelo weighed in at 172, and it’s his ACCLIMATED FUNCTIONAL WEIGHT…. aka, it doesn’t hinder him because he can manage it… and FMJ is a small WW buddy, I don’t know what you’re talking about with “Floyd’s body can take it” ..Floyd’s skill and ability can take it, but he does sabotage his body moving up.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:32 pm 


hecdog

Q my friend, do you really, honestly and sincerely think Floyd Mayweather put a lot of thought into the weight issue because it was such a big factor? Do you think he would have just stopped at 152 pounds if that was an issue in any way. Trust me, weight had no bearing whatsoever regardless if you think Canelo will be acclimated better, and more comfortable at the agreed weight. And, Mayweather will be at his best moving up and weighing 152 pounds. His body frame can handle that weight easily. He can eat what he wants and train as hard as he wants. Floyd will not have to struggle to make that weight. The weight will benefit Mayweather more than Canelo. I wonder how weight helped James Toney when he fought Roy Jones, or Tyson when he fought guys that outweighed him by 10-30 pounds. The weight will only be an issue if, as I have stated, Floyd decides to go toe to toe. Listen, I hope this is a great fight, and I think Floyd will easily win a UD for more than one reason, but in the end, the weight won’t matter.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:19 pm 


Q

wasn’t even in*

Posted June 1, 2013 8:11 pm 


Q

hookoffthejab: I’m not rooting against a a FMJ against any smaller fighter that’s every existed…. especially a guy that wasn’t a fast man. If Whitaker could box his ears off at that point, I think a prime on his A game (have you ever watched DC Vs. FMJ) FMJ, would have won that. JMM was smaller in that fight, but he got so thoroughly outboxed, that he was even IN any of the 12 rounds, and quit on himself and any thought of a FMJ rematch. I think FMJ would have boxed circles around the guy honestly. And Floyd IS past his prime right now, and is still boxing off ears of champions. If he beast Canelo in September…. 20 pounds lighter and 14 years older (while being old) then that will FURTHER prove my point. Say either “could” have won, but can you also tell me that you think JCC SR. could do what FMJ is doing in September and win? nuff said.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:10 pm 


hookoffthejab

LOL Sweetpea boxed the ears off of Chavez SR wasnt even close (though sweetpea was robbed for the draw thanks too DON KING) …It wouldve been a great match up and either fighter “could” have won it …

Posted June 1, 2013 7:59 pm 


Q

came*

Posted June 1, 2013 7:59 pm 


Q

Oh Floyd, you can into your last bout 26 pounds lighter than this guy who naturally carries that weight, that’s really going to help Floyd so much. Floyd is 14 years older than him, oh… that’s definitely not helpful to the younger guy at all. WTF am I in the twilight zone or something?

Posted June 1, 2013 7:59 pm 


Q

Bad Dog: Maybe from these “Floyd has the advantage for weighing 26 pounds less” people.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:57 pm 


Bad Dog

Where did jeff Sorby learn to read and write ?

Posted June 1, 2013 7:56 pm 


Q

Hey, I’m not going to act like Canelo’s weight and size advantage of epic proportions is NOT going to be something to HELP him, that would in turn minimize exactly what FMJ is doing by stepping up in weight again to take that fight. Don’t tell me that being naturally 20+ pounds bigger than another man while carrying that weight naturally is NOT helpful to you, because that’s about as irrational as something thinking that a prime JCC Sr. beats a prime FMJ… COMPLETELY irrational. By the way Hector, Floyd’s offsetting movement extreme mind boggling accuracy and completely untelegraphed punching is nothing to do with talent… that’s pure skill… pure skill. There are faster and harder punchers than FMJ and he’s fought some. His punch and movement techniques are ATG.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:49 pm 


Q

hecdog: You TRY Hector, but you fail to see the point. WEIGHT isn’t a determinant in the 100% and being bigger is NOT always a benefit AT ALL…. HOWEVER, now pay attention…. Canelo NATURALLY can come into a bout 172 and carry his abilities, because it’s natural for him and he’s a man acclimated to that weight range, and for the reasons you’ve posted…. it goes to further prove the point…. Saul will have a 20lb advantage and STILL be ACCLIMATED TO THAT WEIGHT HE’LL CARRY, while FLOYD actually SABOTAGES his body trying to fight above 150 pounds, he’ll NEVER acclimate to fighting at 154 pounds, whilst he’ll be fighting a man who can COMFORTABLE and just rather comfortable carried 172 pounds. You’re giving hypothetical scenarios while speaking about DOCUMENTED and seen FACTS, not opinion, FACTS. And that’s irrational and idiot, you’re going to tell me that being a 172 pound man fighting a 150 pound man isn’t going to help your resistance to his attacks (aka durability)? Pft, you THINK you know what you’re writing about but you REALLY don’t, but at least you actually are trying to write seriously….. I still have FMJ for the win, even with Canelo’s BIG size advantage.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:45 pm 


Q

“If this is such a huge advantage then why didn’t FMJ refuse the fight?” – I don’t think it takes much of a toll on a 22 year old body to blow back up 18 pounds (154 + 18 = 172)…. Floyd didn’t refuse the fight, because he’s out to prove something, but lets not DOWNGRADE what FMJ is doing at all… he’s up against the type of size difference that matters, and not against a scrub fighter, yes I think FMJ will win, BUT with the handicap in this fight, I think it is THAT much more impressive. Yes, the reason this is a big fight for FMJ is the same reason that Canelo’s weight is a factor…. because weighing in 40+ pounds above where another man campaigned for 5 years, is a lot.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:38 pm 


Q

And another fact is that a prime JCC SR wouldn’t fight this Canelo at 154 and win, IMO. And another thing is that your comparison of RJJ technically to FMJ is the most idiotic stupid thing dude, you really don’t understand the nuance of boxing. FMJ is amongst the top 3 technical best fighters of all time easily one could only imagine, his punches are extremely straight, and don’t leave him open… he has the ATG hit to not hit ration for anyone ever since it’s been charted I believe… I mean…. what do you mean FMJ isn’t a technically great fighter? WHAT? Even Bernard say FMJ is up there with him skill and technique wise. THAT’S A FACT, your “Roger said this” thing is hearsay, where is the video? anyway, I doubt it.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:33 pm 


Q

hecdog: Are you joking or something? JCC Sr had a 66″ reach… Castillo a 69″ reach. He did ok, but he lost on the cards, and on my card and on the unofficial cards (if you watch the rematch Merchant mentions how the ringside scorers didn’t know how anybody could think Castillo won that fight) that was also moving UP in weight and with an injury… and Castillo still did not do any damage at all. He was able to get closer more often than normal due to Floyd’s jab arm injury, but he did NOTHING besides throw scoop shots while holding, which I honestly didn’t count opposed to Floyd’s clean effective punches he would land. THEN Castillo get’s completely outboxed with ease the second bout. I gave Castillo 4 rounds maximum in the first bout. NOW, why don’t you go and watch how Chavez would have troubles with boxer types (his robbery draw he got against Whitaker, who wasn’t as technically sound as FMJ, and didn’t have the same power) then he lost to Frankie Randall this being 3 or 4 years younger than FMJ is now. Floyd lands punches with virtually NO TELL, that isn’t just technique.. that’s the PERFECTION of boxing 101. He was bigger than JCC Jr, he has/had legs greater than anybody JCC EVER EVER faced, he has pop and is a GREAT COUNTER PUNCHER not just boxer, and against a shorter man with arms that much shorter? I’m sorry, JCC Sr. had no chance, and I’m sure most people would agree with ME that FMJ would have beaten JCC Sr 135-140 on his A game. The proof is that nobody even talks about that, but rather FMJ Vs. SRL (a much larger fighter naturally) and SRL would have knocked JCC out.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:30 pm 


drx

if the writer ore anybody else score the fight a win for troy ore a draz, you aint no boxing fan. Atleast not fan of canelo, haters

Posted June 1, 2013 7:29 pm 


hecdog

Q my friend, weight will only slow you down, and make you heavier. You either have durability or you don’t. Weight does not give you durability. Floyd will want to come in lighter not heavier. More muscle doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to be physically better. Especially Floyd. He relies on fast reflexes, speed, defense and movement. Weight won’t be an issue for Floyd. Talent is what matters and weight has no bearing unless, as I mentioned he decides to fight it out, which obviously will not happen.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:28 pm 


WHAT!?!

Q – I haven’t missed the point at all. You seem to be making excuses if the worst happens for you guy. Rehydrating does not equal using PED’s. How can you even qualify or justify that remark? If this is such a huge advantage then why didn’t FMJ refuse the fight? Simple answer to the challenge is “Ï will walk in the ring 20lbs lighter on fight night and I feel Canelo will be too strong for me”. It would be a fair answer and decision on FMJ part IMO. Obviously the “haters” would say he punked out, was scared etc. This isn’t the case for me. FMJ is the one who has signed a contract in which he or his people negotiated. If both fighters walk into that ring PED free then it is a fair match up. This is what will make FMJ fans be able to yap on about him being GOAT and NO.1 P4P when he wins these type of challenges. I personally don’t think draining to make weight and gaining as much as 20-30 lbs is always an advantage. You’re an intelligent person and would know it takes a toll on the body, especially for endurance issues. Again FMJ.W.UD.12.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:24 pm 


Public Enemy

It’s nice to see the same bunch of idiots back at it again hyping up Canelo just like they hyped up Guerrero saying he would beat Mayweather, he was going to KO Mayweather, he was going to rough him up and beat him up start with their same sht with Canelo. and as I predicted and most true Boxing Fans, Floyd just humiliated Guerrero.. turned him into another head first plodder hitting nothing but air.. and then they all went into hiding.. now they’re back out at it again barkin up a storm… We’ll see how long they go into hiding once Mayweather humiliates Canelo and exposes him for what he is.. just another head first plodder with limited skills…

Posted June 1, 2013 7:23 pm 


Q

TG: He’ll probably fight maybe even three times next year. I’m not sure he’ll wait for May 2014 for anything.. he will have 4 bouts left after this… three will be next year likely (if this 36+ year old small WW wins the Ring Jr. Middleweight championship in a unification, then goes on to beat the likes of Mathyssee/Garcia, Bradley and Khan/Alexander Rios/Paquiao) I’ll always, always call him the #1 greatest of all time P4P. That’s just ridiculous greatness he’s pulling off. NO boxer this generation would have his win-loss ratio at this point in his era… much less unify a weight he can’t make against a Middleweight… THEN GO BACK DOWN IN WEIGHT… then unify some more. People, please just enjoy what your witnessing.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:17 pm 


hecdog

Q, you are 100% wrong in thinking Floyd Mayweather would have beaten Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. At 135 or 140 both in their prime. That’s almost laughable. Ask Roger Mayweather about that. He himself said Chavez would have beaten Floyd. And that’s his uncle, but at least Roger always tells it like it is. Mayweather is a great athlete, but a technically flawed boxer when it comes to throwing punches technically correct. I have said this more than once. He uses his athleticism in the same way Roy Jones Jr did. Great athletes, but not great technical boxers. They get away with stuff because of their athleticism. Now, back to Floyd vs Chavez Sr. Chavez would have destroyed Floyd, and definitely stopped him. You have to understand the intricacies of the sport of boxing. Castillo, in the opinions of many, felt he beat Castillo in their first fight. How did he do this? Pressure, pressure, pressure to the body and head. Now, can you imagine Chavez, a greater fighter than Castillo in all areas, in your Floyd’s face all night long? Sorry Q, I think a majority of people would agree with me. Chavez Jr in his prime could have dealt with a fighter of Floyd’s style and athleticism. Q, you need to apologize for even thinking this blasphemous thought. Julio Cesar Chavez Sr was more than just a pressure fighter. Camacho tried running as did many others. Floyd would have been stopped before 12.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:16 pm 


Boxtrawrongus

Canelo takes Floyds O, and the Floyd Nut Sack Swingers go, oh NO!.

I am the greatest fight “poet” EVER born!!!!

Posted June 1, 2013 7:09 pm 


TG

Mayweather can he weather the storm in the Autumn, or will he fall, and will he spring back for the rematch in May.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:08 pm 


Q

hecdog: BS. Weighing 20+ natural pounds over your opponent helps you well beyond rather you will brawl or not. It helps your durability, it helps you feel confident punching WITH your opponent.. and throwing your counters without staying honest (and Canelo is a counter puncher). What’s really going for FMJ is that Canelo doesn’t cut the ring off as well as Cotto, period. Trout beat Cotto (Trout weighed almost as much as Canelo in their bout), but he said at the end of the fight that Cotto TOOK AWAY HIS BOXING… this being a tall guy. Also Floyd hurt Cotto more than Trout ever could in their bout, and put more leather on him. So offensively this tells me, that FMJ in all likelihood, could do more damage to Canelo than Trout did (who starched him and made him decided to back up and run around much of the fight). I think Floyd will go to the body a lot, and yeah… he plays his cards right, and Canelo’s stamina is still shotty… he could get almost stopped. But he WILL be a good 20 pounds heavier, so that’s a GREAT BIG advantage.

Posted June 1, 2013 7:05 pm 


Q

Havoc: It’s a mega fight, because the pride of the “best boxing fans in the word” next to UK fans ..who happens to be the Ring Champion of a division that FMJ doesn’t belong at… is stepping into the ring with him. FMJ as not a big puncher, will have to pull out all his tricks to try and win a decision (or who knows a stoppage win?) against a man who is just flat out unquestionably wwaaaaaaaay bigger than him, and also talented. It’s a mega fight ONLY because it’s a test supposedly of FMJ’s skills and who FMJ is. You can put FMJ in there with a top rated fighter and it has a chance of being deemed a mega fight, NOT EVEN because you think he’ll lose, but REALLY because you think he and ALL his super skills will be tested. You really don’t watch him to see him lose, that’s not what it is, deep in your heart. Deep down inside of you, what you really want to see, is how this…. ATG tactically and technically BRILLIANT man, will rise above challenges in the ring, no matter how large. These people say “I don’t know who will win, but I’m going for Canelo… should be a good fight, I’m going to watch” and that’s about as extreme as it gets amongst actual fans. This watch to see him lose thing is so overrated. jaja. You watch to see him SHINE, because losers lose, and Floyd hasn’t ever lost… if what you really wanted to see was somebody lose, you’d go watch Brandon Rios somewhere or JCC Jr. You REALLY want to see this man shine (EVEN if it’s in a loss).. you’re not watching just to see him lose. Jaja. Nobody waste 70$ plus, to see anybody lose in boxing.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:58 pm 


PEEJ

And what’s your point. Lik Li says whether you wanna see me win or see me lose, either way your watching. Those 90% of so called haters are putting money in his pocket. Including you because that night or the next day you are on here hating in the fight. But that just shows you watched it

Posted June 1, 2013 6:57 pm 


Havoc

90% of people who buys Floyd’s fights are haters…you can bet on it most of them now don’t care to see him anymore…he is just so good for being boring and fraud!

Posted June 1, 2013 6:52 pm 


Q

hecdog: and your glorification of JCC Sr? Let’s change the subject… you think 140 JCC Jr beats 140 FMJ? I don’t think it would be that close really. Floyd is not a bracketed “boxer type” …he’s an ATG boxer type/counter puncher hybrid (rare) …great counter punchers tend to be rather flat footed (JMM, Rigondeux) and they don’t do great against really good pure boxers at times, but they kill anyone who comes at them. Boxer types have their legs and jabs and offsetting movement, and they do well against people coming at them, unless it’s a swarmer.. then they may have an advantage. Floyd doesn’t fit into any little box you have, and not only would Floyd have beaten a JCC Jr without a shadow of a doubt in MY mind, I’ll say that JCC Jr, could have never went up to 154 and beaten a 172 weighing Canelo, jaja.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:50 pm 


PEEJ

This is a mega fight. Willing to bet it does over 2 mil PPV buys

Posted June 1, 2013 6:49 pm 


PEEJ

Boxtra said pot shorting decision. I disagree. I’m picking late round stoppage due to Canelos stamina issues

Posted June 1, 2013 6:48 pm 


Havoc

This is not a mega fight. What a delusion. Nice try to hype this fight by 10 people blogging.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:48 pm 


PEEJ

I’m trying to figure how Folden Bou is the fix fight king?

Posted June 1, 2013 6:47 pm 


Tomato Can

Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions, but sometimes it better not to broadcast opinions. Boy there are some doozies on this site….

Posted June 1, 2013 6:42 pm 


Q

Tomato Can: exactly, and that’s undeniable, the only thing that makes this a MEGA BOUT, is the huge size disparity. Otherwise FMJ would have had a bigger bout with Lucas Mathyssee a 140 pounder (FLoyd is a small 147er)… you tell me you think Canelo at 140-147 would beat Lucas and I’ll not even reply to your fantasy irrational bullshhucks.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:41 pm 


Tomato Can

What? Pacquiao vrs Clottey was Defence at its best? Really? I’m learning something new today.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:38 pm 


Havoc

Floyd will be like ducking, running, hugging all night long…not unless he corrupted this fight! I will not be surprice. You got Gloden Boy (the fixed fight king) working with him….hmmmm smell fishy!!!!

Posted June 1, 2013 6:38 pm 


Q

I see Good: I don’t know what the f “reliquesh” is my drunk friend, but last I checked CANELO called out a man who set to fight at 147 months ago and just came into his last bout at 146 pounds, he basically DID relinquish the 154 title that HE FOUGHT FOR AND WON, but HE was called out by the 172 pounder, get your facts together. Canelo doesn’t control anything when he’s calling out the far superior fighter. He’s going to alter himself to make the bout. The only cherry picker is Canelo. What other champion is calling out a fighter he just weighed 26 pounds more than? Name me one please.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:37 pm 


Tomato Can

Mayweather has the ability to compete with and beat JMWs, but that doesn’t mean he’s a JMW. He’s a small WW, which is why even many of the 140 pounders are bigger than him. The main thing that makes this an interesting fight is the size disparity.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:36 pm 


TG

No one really know exactly what is going to happen in this fight, everyone has got their opinions.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:35 pm 


Havoc

Clottey vs Pac is a good example of a defence at its best…and Floyd is the master of it. Guess what kind of fight this will be with young gun Canelo.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:35 pm 


hecdog

Weight will not be a problem in this fight unless Mayweather decides to actually fight, or Canelo applies relentless pressure, and tires Mayweather out. Both are unlikely. Mayweather will never fight anyone toe to toe, and Canelo isn’t really a fighter in the style of say Julio Cesar Chavez Sr that gets on top of his opponents from round one and breaks your body and head down round by round forcing the type of physical fight that wears a boxer style fighter out. Canelo has not showed this style of fighting, but maybe he has it in him to do so, and if he is able to, then by all means put that pressure on, and Mayweather will falter, which could lead to his first loss. If the fight goes as I think it will go, Mayweather will hit, hug and run. He may not hug too much because of Canelo’s strength, but he will surely use the usual one punch at a time type fight and move. In this scenario, the extra weight will slow Canelo down,which will make it much more difficult for him to catch up to Mayweather.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:32 pm 


Havoc

Still Floyd Cherrypicked all his opponents!

Posted June 1, 2013 6:32 pm 


Q

Patrick2: I agree. nice quote.. although I’ll add that an ATG boxing masterclass is MORE exciting than a very TYPICAL two fisted brawl… period… not even close. I would not rather watch Maidana Vs. Lopez over Mayweather Vs. anybody… ever.. period. People can enjoy the typical when the legendary-ness is done, but don’t come crying when it’s over.. and all you have is these guys having brawls (because they don’t have the skill to nullify any other way normally) I myself will be enjoying Floyd, and I’m surprised he’s going to fight this Light Heavyweight, but if he thinks he can win and it’s not too much of a weight stretch, neither do I, and I won’t question it, period. I’ll say David (FMJ) will beat Goliath (Alvarez) …the big bully, the big bad wolf. I’m very excited.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:30 pm 


SREDMOND

If Floyd Mayweather came to the ring 20 pounds heavier than anyone do we REALLY believe his detractors would consider that even terms physically?? These are NOT fight fans, they turn all of Canelos assets to liabilities… Being 14 years younger is generally a plus in sports… Ask any Athlete what he would do to have the body, training capacity and ability to recover he had when he was 22??? Floyd is uniquely Great and discoplined so he is punished for having a mind and skillset to thus far nullify all comers…Some are clamoring to give Alvarez EVERY single advantage imaginable…. Canelos gonna lose and lose bad because Floyd stands alone as a fighter…We have seen all elites absent Ward who is relatively young LOSE or not have enough to get the job done… Floyd Mayweather ALWAYS comes to WIN as much as he loves $$$$ he’s about winning… When Oscar starting making mega money he succumbed to temptations outside the ring whereas FMJ is a Spartan that is always on the Kill Zone…

Posted June 1, 2013 6:29 pm 


Boomboomboy

I remember people thinking Kelly Pavlik was going to destroy BHop. Only he was out hustled and dismantled by the wily old fox, made to look one dimensional and put him on the road to retirement (never was the same after)
Well I see this fight going the same way, with Floyd being too smart for Canelo and beating him comfortably.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:28 pm 


Havoc

If all fights like Floyd…boxing is dead!

Posted June 1, 2013 6:27 pm 


TG

You can only take so much of Mayweather, eventually there needs to be a change, Boxing is meant to be exciting as well.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:26 pm 


Q

we are not talking about his weight thing against other Jr.MWs*

Posted June 1, 2013 6:21 pm 


Patrick2

Should be an interesting, and very profitable, fight! I’m glad it got made!

Best Quote: “The subtle shifts in pace, the masterful use of angles, the on-the-spot adaptability-this is what boxing at its highest level is all about. To true boxing fans, a Mayweather master class is every bit as entertaining as a two-fisted brawl. Genius is only boring to the poorly-informed and the legitimately dim-witted.”

Posted June 1, 2013 6:17 pm 


Q

WHAT!?!: “If Canelo is disciplined enough to make weight and is able to rehydrate for an advantage, that makes him a smart operator. He isn’t cheating like the USA PED users.” – You have a point, but you miss the point. We are NOT talking about his weight advantage over OTHER JR. MW FIGHTER’S here, we are talking about his 172 or at least 165+ weight blow up against OTHER JR.MW’S. We’re talking about his BLOWING UP AS MUCH AS A MIDDLEWEIGHT WOULD against a man that was 146 pounds in his last bout, and that’s EQUAL to being a PED user technically. It’s a rather cowardly move to boost all of your PHYSICALLY STRENGTHS against another fighter…. which isn’t any different to me than being a big Jr. MW blowing up to 172 pounds, and trying to fight a guy who CAMPAIGNED 40+ POUNDS under were you just weighed in.. AND 26 pounds over were you LAST WEIGHED IN, and that’s the fight CANELO was calling for.. he doesn’t even have the POSSIBILITY of proving anything even if his EXTREME size advantage gets him the W against a FAR SUPERIOR every other aspect fighter like FMJ. Once against…. for if it didn’t sink in, or you think I’m kidding… Canelo just weight in OVER 40 POUNDS ABOVE the weight that FMJ spent 5 YEARS OF HIS CAREER.

Posted June 1, 2013 6:09 pm 


Rem

I also think Canelo is a gifted puncher.

Posted June 1, 2013 5:50 pm 


Havoc

Yup weight is not an issue its how he gonna change from boring fighter to exciting one! Dang no matter who you put inside him if its not a brawler opponents I guaranteed its will be a drama contest instead of action pack.

Posted June 1, 2013 5:50 pm 


Rem

Yeah the weight only closes the gap between the 2 and Floyd still has an edge because style, skill and athletic wise Floyd has big advantages. But the gap closed by size is still significant enough for an intriguing matchup because i think Canelo is very intelligent with good timing.

Posted June 1, 2013 5:46 pm 


WHAT!?!

The only part of this article that is correct is that Canelo needs a KO to win. Canelo clearly beat Trout. If 2 lbs doesn’t make a difference then why did FMJ make this a catchweight? Using your logic, what is the difference between 152 and 154? Wrong example using GGG, considering he only fights blown up Welters and Jnr Middles or guys coming off long injury lay offs. Again using your logic, why is it alright for Canelo to allegedly fight blown up welters and then you ask him to fight GGG in a weight class higher? If Canelo is disciplined enough to make weight and is able to rehydrate for an advantage, that makes him a smart operator. He isn’t cheating like the USA PED users. The writing on ESB is getting more bias with every article. It’s getting ridiculous. For the record FMJ.W.UD.12. Could be a shut out unless he gets hit flush at some point.

Posted June 1, 2013 5:45 pm 


Boxer

Weight is not what Floyd’s worried about in this fight I guarantee that it’s more than that.

Posted June 1, 2013 5:37 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

Your right Q… If on fight night these 2 fighters came in at the same weight, this would be a mismatch….

Posted June 1, 2013 5:26 pm 


Fabian

Love The Sport: You are right in every way….Right On man
CA must show up in shape to win and under 159. If he makes
152 then he can do this without blowing up. Floyd wont’t be far
behind at 149-152 fight night. Should be a good fight if it
happens. You have to be on top of your game if you face Floyd.

Posted June 1, 2013 5:24 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

I think the huge weight on helps thier chin and somewhat thier power… If Chavez Jr. came in fight night im convinced Martinez would have K.O.’d Chavez but in stead he almost got K.O.’d by the Cruserweight Chavez… Size really just keeps these big guys on thier feet… Margarito was absolutley pummeled by Pacman and would not go down due to the atleast 20 pounds size advantage… Honestly Canelo could come in 30 pounds bigger than Floyd and it wont make a difference, he wont land enough to take away Floyds 0…

Posted June 1, 2013 5:13 pm 


Q

TG: You say it like Canelo cuts rings off at a great level… he’s really a counter puncher who is heavy on his feet… Floyd can do this… even with the extreme weight and size disadvantage.

Posted June 1, 2013 5:11 pm 


Q

Boxeo: “it helped Martinez when he fought a huge Chavez jr??” – Stop being so biased and haciendo quedar mal a los mexicanos con tus burradas. 1. Martinez wasn’t physically moving up, he was fighting at his weight where he packs a punch that can stop people. 2. People WERE complaining because they were saying JCC Jr. is a giant and should move up and fight Ward etc, and that he doesn’t get drug tested. 3. Of course Canelo isn’t JCC Jr. but doesn’t that go AGAINST your point? A smaller lighter puncher than SM with a lighter punch and moving up is ALSO fighting a better fighter than SM fought. So you’re going to have to TRY to make ONE point and stay with it, especially when each point you TRY to make undermines the last. You’re drunk, get outta here.

Posted June 1, 2013 5:04 pm 


murderman

@ tg -sir do you watch boxing at all?

Posted June 1, 2013 4:52 pm 


largo

hahahahahaha

Posted June 1, 2013 4:45 pm 


Prof Konje

Stop talking about Trout and Alvarez…it’s over, that’s it. Forget Pacquaio and Mayweather, that’s over also. Think about the near future bout that will be happening in September. For those Alvarez lovers, what is it that you like about him? What is it that he’s done to elevate him to such high status? What will all of you say when it’s all said and done and Mayweather is STILL UNDEFEATED? Let me guess, you’ll all be screaming for Floyd to fight the Klitchkos.

Posted June 1, 2013 4:42 pm 


Edgar Guevara

Canelo is going to another level, needs a different level trainer. Mayweather will do the same he did to Guerrero. Unless Canelo can improve in 100 days.

Posted June 1, 2013 4:40 pm 


Edgar Guevara

Trout – Canelo could had gone either way.

Posted June 1, 2013 4:38 pm 


TG

I think Mayweather is going to get beat, Canelo will beat him u and stop him, Mayweather can run but I think Canelo will catch up to him and stop him in the 10th round, Mayweather will do well t make it to the 12th.

Posted June 1, 2013 4:38 pm 


jason

i agree , its not even going to be close… but you have to ask yourself, who can mayweather fight who will make it close… now with pac effectively gone, there are not so many options… maybe broner next year..

Posted June 1, 2013 4:24 pm 


murderman

Other then the 1 big punch he knock trout down with the fight was close. trout just got careless! canelo boxed pretty good also. but may is on a whole different level!

Posted June 1, 2013 4:19 pm 


jason

have to say – Trout in his post fight interview.. what a humble, nice man… full respect to trout, he just gained a fan in me

Posted June 1, 2013 4:18 pm 


Anonymous

This fight is a farce.

Posted June 1, 2013 4:12 pm 


jason

one judge 118-109 …. wtf ??? he should be banned from judging….

Posted June 1, 2013 4:11 pm 


murderman

Skills pay bills people not weight and strength. Floyd just way too skilled and polished even at 36! But canelo will give him a good fight! Floyd by UD

Posted June 1, 2013 4:10 pm 


jason

i thought trout won, yes canelo landed the harder shots and trout did look a bit wobbly at times… But trout was far busier and was scoring throughout the whole fight, he seem to land far more punches… mayweather is gunna embarrass him.

Posted June 1, 2013 4:09 pm 


pugfan

every time paquiao fought at a catch wait the fans would be all over him. I guess Floyd gets a pass?

Posted June 1, 2013 4:08 pm 


jason

im watching the trout fight closely, canelo does not have a chance against mayweather… at any weight… trout was beating him to the punch for the most part… And i cant believe the judges scoring at the beginning of round 10… they were not watching the same fight as me… unbelievable… boxing has a real problem with corrupt judges….trout is controlling most rounds.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:58 pm 


Love-the-Sport

This author forgets that Alvarez fought most of his early fights at 147.

If Alvarez was 30 years — then YES getting down to 152 or 150 or 147 would be a problem. But Alvarez is only 22 years old. He was fighting at 147 2-3 years ago WHEN HE WAS 20 YEARS OLD !!!

Getting down to 150 or 152 should not be a problem — UNLESS ALVAREZ DOESN’T WANT TO DO IT.

It is clear to EVERYBODY that Alvarez is gassed in many of his fights and he fights in spurts. This is conditioning and the style of training. Alvarez needs to suck-it-up and train 52 weeks a year and train for a lower weight. This will be better for him against Mayweather and better for him in his long term career. The reason Golden Boy has Alvarez fighting at 154 pounds is because he is way to short to fight the top middleweights and pathetically short to fight the Super Middleweights. Alvarez would look like a midget next to Chavez Jr. or Quillen. He is too short.

If Alvarez changes his conditioning — AND PROBABLY HIS EATING HABITS — and gets down to 149-150-151 then he has a good chance against Mayweather because he will be quicker and he will not be gassed. He should only rehydrate up to 158-160. If that happens, I have Alvarez a chance.

If Alvarez insists on being a fat little boxer, then he will chase Mayweather all night, run out of gas, and lose pathetically. Boxing fans want a great fight. I hope Alvarez trains to win.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:51 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Floyd STILL has most of the key advantages: reach, height, speed, stamina, more polished skills, and tons of huge, championship fight experience. The only two advantages Canelo has are power and weight. That being said, I expect to see a competitive fight with Floyd outboxing the young up-and-comer for the most part. HOWEVER, if Canelo is able to land the same type of shots that Cotto landed, Floyd is gonna take a seat on the canvas — and maybe even worse. Real talk.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:49 pm 


jason

end of round 7, ok canelo had the knock down but trout came back and pushed him back, its a 10-8 probably, but it could have been a 10-9 easily… i have trout ahead in this fight, he is far busier, its close though…

Posted June 1, 2013 3:48 pm 


Shane

This fight is a farce.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:44 pm 


Tachyon

Trout beat Canelo everyone knows that punch stats showed it.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:40 pm 


Jay rock

I’m surprised everyone is talking about Trout are you kidding me the did us trash! He won what a round here and there yea

Posted June 1, 2013 3:39 pm 


Fabian

Geez, the way they talk about the HUGE SCA, you would think James Toney is fighting FM. It is all dribble and blather. I am going with the Short guy in this fight if he gets lucky and FM has a bad day.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:16 pm 


chacos8

There is no doubt Canelo clearly defeated Trout, even Trout admitted his loss, Golovkin is not such a great boxer. But indeed Floyd is much superior than Canelo, I heard that they will fight on 166 lbs (??, not sure). Floyd would obviously outbox Canelo, Mayweather is one of the best pd by pd in al history of boxing.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:11 pm 


tachyon

Article should be titled how is it possible for a Light Heavy Weight to fight for a Welter Weight title. Disgrace to boxing next we will have Klits fighting for middle weight titles.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:10 pm 


GWV5903

The Trout fight was a draw? You have got to be kidding, did you watch the same fight? Mayweather may have finally bitten off too much. That he will not fight Pacman is still a load…

Posted June 1, 2013 3:06 pm 


jason

I still find it a little strange that they have a catchweight, as floyd is a light middle champ already… And he was won a major belt at the weight twice… It seems wrong to me, to change the rules.. its different if he was untested at the weight and was coming up for the first time…. but hes clearly not…i know canelo is a very big light middle, but thats irrelevant, he makes the weight, i just hope it doesnt affect his stamina too much, as its already quite poor… Having said that.. it could be a great fight, and full respect to mayweather for taking it on…really looking forward to it, and this one i will buy. :)

Posted June 1, 2013 3:05 pm 


huckster

fight will be cancelled.

Posted June 1, 2013 3:04 pm 


largo

no

Posted June 1, 2013 3:01 pm 


Boxer

Dear writer this article should be titled I’m scared that Floyd might lose!, ok let’s say 20 lbs weight gain, doesn’t that make it easier for Floyd to box citcles around him??!, like it helped Martinez when he fought a huge Chavez jr?? No one cared about weight than but now it’s Floyd, and Canelo is not Chavez jr, Canelo can close distance, and he can box not like Floyd but he can box and again had Floyd done good numbers against Guerrero we wouldn’t have this treat , Floyd would probly fight Lopez maidana winner, khan at the most!

Posted June 1, 2013 2:51 pm 



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