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Public Enema – You mean he looks like Hemmingway and Floyd?

Posted June 8, 2013 9:43 am 


spartacus 65

Hmmm, true enough. Perhaps this kid will be the first to take advantage of “old habits”. It will be interesting.

Posted June 4, 2013 2:51 am 


Happyboy

Spartacus 65 – all I got to day is ” easier said than done”. For over a decade a watched Ronaldo El Phenomenon do a step over and leave defenders in the dust. He did this step over every match and all defenders knew it was coming yet everytime he left them in the dust. The same applies to Mayweather for over 15yrs of his pro career his been throwing that lead right and they all know it’s coming but none has ducked it nevermind try counter it.

Posted June 4, 2013 1:50 am 


spartacus 65

When he throws that lead right most guys either catch it in the face or they duck. What they don’t do is PU.CH . Either half step to the side and shoot off a quick left cause his face is exlsposed or bend at the knees and dig a well placed shot to the midsection. The opponent has to be bold and aggressive. He can’t be a victim of the hype that comes with medias declaration of the vaunted shoylder roll. Peace.

Posted June 4, 2013 12:04 am 


spartacus 65

The things I just mentioned are only a few. There’s more. But for all intents and purposes that is a major . Be has a tendency when he throws that lead right to over extend himself. Not onlt is he off valance but he is majorly exsposed. He reacts to what he thinks his opponent is going to do. This is where a top notch feinter comes in. Mosley had the right idea by jabbing to the body to bring his hands down,which intur. Set up the big right cross. Unfortunately for him that was ALL he had and Mayweather adapted within the next round.He is able to exploit those who don’t possess the quickness nor a complete game to take advantage of what’s in front of him. Canelo is STILL a work in PROGRESS. HIS CORNER WILL HAVE TO RISE TO THE OCCASION. If not then he gains experience in a loss.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:55 pm 


spartacus 65

Ok fellas. Took the time to review Floyd vs Guerrero. He HAS slowed down quite a bit. He has become predictable. I’ve been watching this fella for sometime and he has become like Ali SET in his ways. Guerrero was tailored made for the thirty six year old version of Mayweather. I didn’t want to seem disrespectful to Robert but frankly he DID NOT BELONG IN,THERE. HE HELPED MAKE FLOYD LOOK better than he actually is at this point. Mayweather is there to be taken. Here us a hint . He LOVES THE LEAD RIGHT. ALSO the left lead uppercut on occasion. His BODY IS WIDE OPEN WHEN HE DOES THIS. Guerrero was too busy swinging or should I say flailing at his head and Floyd basically shut him down there. His body was ripe for the taking during SEVERAL OFFENSIVE STRIKES THROUGHOUT THE FIGHT. A faster and more observant opponent would have had a field day taking his pound of flesh in his midriff. A huge gap. Guerrero could have utilized his jab even as a distraction just to force floyd to raise his hands to blick the jab but leabe his body open. He also could’ve feinted a lot better drawing floyd to throw that lead right and come under his exposed middle with a body shot or even a uppercut. The art of body punching us a lost art nowadays. When done rifht and in the hands of a capable fighter, it is a thing of beauty. Will Canelo habe the ability to do it? That is the million dollar question. Been watching mr. Mayweather for sometime noeand yes like ali,some old habits die hard.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:29 pm 


spartacus 65

The Margarito affair reminds me a lot about the Panama luis and Luis Resto disgrace. Poor Billy Collins neber recovered psychologically from that. He lost his career, depression set in and one night after heaby drinking drove his car off of a ditch and left this world a broken man. Luis resto fought with bare knuckles basically after Panama Luis removed the bulk of the horse hairs out of his gloves. Was miracle collins didn’t go blind. The damage was hideous to say the least. Panama luis should be in jail TODAYfor iny view manslaughter. Collins lost his license to fight for obvious medical reasons and he lost his dream and finally the will to live. Margarito could’ve seriously injured cotto that night. It was that bad. The Pacquiao restructuring literally of HIS EYE SOCKET and surrounding area was plain old KARMA. NOBODY WHO DOCTORS THEIR GLOVES SHOULD EVER BE ALLOWED TO FIGHT AGAIN. In reality the should be arrested ON THE SPOT. Fighters hands are already registered weapons outside the ring. Disgraceful to say the least.

Posted June 3, 2013 10:29 pm 


Public Enemy

MargaCheato didn’t win a single meaningful fight once they removed his Tijuana Cement Wraps.. beaten from pillar to post by Mosely, Paquiao, Cotto to an inch of his worthless life.. no wonder his woman dumped him…

Posted June 3, 2013 9:06 pm 


TARK

Cotto retired Cheato by stopping him after a terrific beating… No sane doctor in the world is going to let a boxer work with an eye closed tight as a drum after he lost every round.. Arum doctor my ass. All Cotto would have to do is throw a few more hooks to tha sightless eye and knock Cheato out.. Unfortunately he couldn’t do that because he already did more than enough for any sane doctor to stop it.. Doctors have stopped fights for much less.. Cotto wasn’t tried. He wasn’t flagging. He wasn’t out of breath. He wasn’t hurt. And without his plastered wraps Cheato couldn’t knock out ANYBODY.

Posted June 3, 2013 8:56 pm 


Public Enemy

Spartacus – Tumbos been on this Anti-Rican crusade ever since he bet me that Fernando Vargas, his hero back then would KO Tito Trinidad.. we both know how that ended.. he went beserk after Tito ened Fernandos Career.. He also bet me Delahoya would KO Tito Trinidad and then to see his idle turned into the Runnaway Chihuahua was just too much for him. Then to find out that Oscar had decided to dump his Mexican Girlfriend, Marry a hot Rican and move to the Island and go Rican was the straw that broke the Chihuahauas back.. he’s never been the same.. deciding to go full force into becoming a Gringo.. he’s also a Mexican Republican? Pro Anti-Imigration? ROFLM-True Latino-AO… fkers insane.. We’ll see how he behaves once Mayweather beats Canelo… it’ll be one funny weekend…

Posted June 3, 2013 8:41 pm 


Public Enemy

Spartacus – trully I feel for Tumbo and his people. Especially after watching that CNBC Documentary “The Mexican Drug Wars” I’d recommend you watch it to see what a fkn Mess Mexico is and how Mexican Violence against Mexicans is at an all time high. All in the name of $$$ and Greed… It was really tough to see the Mexican People in such poor conditions and under such fear of the Mexican Criminals who are running Mexico down the Toilet. I predict that Mexico will eventually self destruct based on how bad the Mexican Drug Wars have become within Mexico..

Posted June 3, 2013 8:34 pm 


Public Enemy

Like I had to remind you that the USA took 1/3 of Mexico by force and here you are waging your imbecilic War on Tiny Puerto Rico while trying to kiss up to the USA Gringo…

Posted June 3, 2013 8:30 pm 


Public Enemy

Yeah, you’ve enlightened me alright.. LOL.. Just like I had to remind you that Mexican’s aren’t Latinos and that there is no such thing as the MExican Race.. and there hasn’t been a true reigning Mexican Champion in over a decade…

Posted June 3, 2013 8:28 pm 


spartacus 65

Just got back in awhile ago. You are correct on duran. He in reality had true respect for the guys that either beat him or gave him a good tussle. Leonard said outside the ring when duran and he did a commercial for seven up both guys brought their sons along. Ray said Duran was terrific. Trated little Ray as if he was HIS son. I read the story about Dejesus. Really human on durans part. Duran years later ran into ray and they both sat down and had some lunch and Leonard asked duran if he was really pissed off at him wjen they first fought and duran said no it was just an act . Goes.with the territory. I have Rays book. Interesting read.

Posted June 3, 2013 8:05 pm 


Public Enemy

Spartacus – Tumbo easily shows his true colors.. can’t help it.. he’s the one that said “It’s only cheating if you get caught” Well MargaCheato, Eric Morales, Fernando LardASS, Salido, Marquez and Morales have gotten caught so I guess they were cheating.. LOL Just wait until Mayweather beats the Re food coloring out of Canelos fake hair.. He’ll go into hiding for a few weeks like he did when Tito Trinidad Decapitated Compost and ended Fernando Lardasses hyped career… then he’ll surface under made up names going full out Racial.. it’s his MO… everyone here nows him already…

Posted June 3, 2013 6:57 pm 


spartacus 65

WHOA GUYS,GUYS. Te Tumbo and public Enemy . CALM DOWN. Both of you. This is NOT GOOD. BOTH OF YOU are intelligent fellas , I can tell by reading your posts. And I suspect that this is not what you fellas are really all about. Don’t fall into this brothers please. This is getting, UGLY. I KNOW you two can do better than this. On my way to the gym guys. Peace and strength.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:05 pm 


te tumbo

Cotto was lucky his Arum-approved doctor stopped the fight when he did. the entire previous round you could see that look of despair and desperation begin to spread across Cotto’s face while Margarito’s sneer widened in anticipation of what he knew he could do in the last four rounds: Force Cotto to bend his knee in submission, Once Again. Cotto was peeing his trunks all the way to the ring for that bout. the hometown venue; Cotto’s last-minute demand for a medical inspection of Margarito’s eye in the hopes that the bout would have to be cancelled; and an Arum-approved ring doctor who no coincidentally stopped the fight at just the moment when Cotto displayed his notorious late-rounds fade. No Matter. Margarito still owns the “W” for the only bout any fight-fan remembers between these two, which includes tear-streaked faces for Cotto, his family, and fans . . . “Cannn-Tahhh y no Llores”.

Posted June 3, 2013 5:52 pm 


TARK

Duran destroyed DeJesus in their 3rd meeting… That probably started Estaban on his decent into drug use…

Gee Whiz Public Enemy… Trout beat the living crap out of Cotto.. Did you see Miguel’s face???. That fight was as one-sided as Mayweather-Cotto.. Of course Floyd was 4 years older than Miguel — and Trout was 4 years younger than Miguel — but they both issued a steady and non-debatable beating on the ATG.

Cotto was always one of my favorite fighters. He won World Championships in 3 weight divisions and boxed Cheato’s eye tightly shut in his last win. I was unhappy they stopped it—because Cotto was getting ready to utterly destroy Cheato with his vision half gone. That would have been delicious revenge for him, like it was for Mosley. But he did enough by humiliating the dirty cheat and ending his career.

Posted June 3, 2013 5:44 pm 


te tumbo

“Forget about Puerto Ricans…” pft?! you can suck on that marketing pacifier all you want but as anybody whose followed my posts over the years will attest too, PRs don’t register on my radar, i.e., what “rivalry”? “you need to go watch that CNBC Documentary . . .” but that’s the problem. overgrown boys like you watch too much television. conversely, i came up in a violent L.A. and still travel to Baja a few times a year. ain’t no big thing. fear doesn’t determine how i live. it’s silly to fear death and it’s cowardly to fear Life.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:58 pm 


K.C.

Teteta, where’s Margaplaster??? where’s your hero?????

Posted June 3, 2013 4:51 pm 


te tumbo

why should Marquez ignore the embarrassment that Team Pacquiao* heaped on him while trying to deprive him of his chance to redeem each controversial Draw, or “W” for Pacquiao*? in fact, the only reasons that they ever agreed to subsequent matches 4 years apart was because they kept thinking that Marquez had aged enough to be defeated based on his presumed decline alone. in fact, just consider the conditions Marquez had to agree too in order for IV to materialize: weight, location, ring-size, and a lopsided purse split ($3 mill to $30 mill). moreover, even after being victimized by the #1 KO in Boxing History, Team Punkuiao* STILL(?!?) attempted to dictate the purse-split to Marquez as IF Marquez cared, which is why he agreed to face Bradely. not for the money but for the glory and enduring legacy of being Greater than Pacquiao*.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:47 pm 


te tumbo

where’s Cotto? where’s Dulorme? where’s Rosado? waiting for Lopez to join them guarding the gate, i.e., What “rivalry”?

Posted June 3, 2013 4:41 pm 


spartacus 65

I agree there with you champ. Most of the fighters from Mexico are generally good sportsman. Erik Morales IS an ass in his lack of professionalism. I will also add now Marquez. He scored a career defining victory over Pacman whom I respect and he is STILL whining about the other bouts. Even going so far to say he will not fight the man again. The most money he will make is eith Pacquiao and he would rather be petty and vindictive . I lost some respect for him there. Yes, the fans could act like mule butts. Low mentality brother on some of their parts.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:28 pm 


spartacus 65

Case in point. Roberto Duran was a horrible sportsman. Never gave at least PUBLICLY credit to his opponent for a good fight or win. However when he was OBLITERATED by Hitman hearns he said the follkwing, “HEARNS WON,IN A GOOD WAY.” Reason? Cause Tommy left no room for doubt. Meaning MOST of them respect power. Duran who is one of my favorite fighters over the years I recently found out he is half Mexican. Lol.,Explains that damn granite chin and the surly attitude.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:19 pm 


spartacus 65

Hmmm, yes and no Public enemy. The mexican fans acted DISGUSTINGLY when Frankie Randall was deemed the loser due to a clash of heads that resulted in a bad cut over Juluo Chavez seniors eye in their rematch. Frankie LOST and the bums in the crowd still saw fit to toss cups and other objects in his direction ashe was leaving the ring to go back to his dressing room. TICKED ME OFF! Then conversely Pacquiao defeats erik Morales EMPHATICALLY and THEY RESPECT HIM. GO FIGURE CHAMP. What can I say brother? Funny ducks,Lol.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:59 pm 


spartacus 65

Sidenote.: Mexicans by,nature are like any other group. They root for their own . They are VERY nationalistic. VERY MUCH SO. Just like any,other group they have idiots who don’t have the COJONES to say it to anyones face. In my,book that’s a stone punk coward. Fellas rise above them and stay true to yourselves. Mist of you guys are pretty decent fellas. Don’t let jerkoffs bring you down. Peace and strength.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:12 pm 


spartacus 65

Q, good day champ. I have to admit I laughed my head off when I read my misspelling errors when I spelled spinks ,SPUNK and how as HOE. It’s the darn cursor man. Peace and strength.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:04 pm 


spartacus 65

WTF? Whats up buddy. Brother I pretty much stated in the majority of my posts that racial vitriol should not cone from ANYONE regardless of WHO IT IS. I used my example at work as simply justthat. An example. I honestly haven’t come across any derogatory venom directed on racial grounds towards Mayweather and quite frankly those that do are some SORRY individuals. Boxing? I practice both that and thw martial atrs cause I like and enjoy the discipline they bring. We can agree to disagree champ. We both are fans and that’s cool in my book. Third personally I think Sandy Saddler was Better than Willie Pepoloni. Peace and strenth brother.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:59 pm 


TARK

Trout took FEWER sharp ATG masterful jabs to his nose than Floyd Mayweather did from Cotto… So since Floyd is history’s greatest defender — what does that say for Trout?

Posted June 3, 2013 2:13 pm 


TARK

Public Enemy…, Canelo hasn’t been kept away from tough or top opponents.. You’re hating again.. He’s 22 years old.. He’s been moved very well against different styles.. A slick southpaw world champion, with a 26-0 record, who just whipped the Hell out Miguel Cotto — and took FEWER sharp ATG masterful jabs to his nose than Floyd Mayweather did Cotto, was another great choice … The Trout victory, against a 6′ X 171lb Super Welterweight established Canelo as the world’s best Super Welterweight.. Unquestionably.. Canelo was the MOST deserving and talked about candidate for a Floyd fight—of ANYONE in the world.. Nobody else was close in case you didn’t notice.

Guess what??? Alvarez deserved the fight and got it. Floyd is in deep, so it will be a great contest.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:11 pm 


Q

65: “frozen fear was on SPUNKS face as he sat in the audience that night.” – “BAsed off of that alone I have a fair idea HOE that fight will play out.” – O_O ok.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:53 pm 


Q

By the way, Marciano is VERY overrated, and should NEVER be mentioned with FMJ. Stop this game man, please.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:51 pm 


Q

Same old song with this guy: Idiotic dribble. “If Mayweather felt this to be as big an issue as you keep crying about then Floyd doesn’t need to take the fight, end of story.” Since WHEN has a FIGHTER had to agree with the opinion of FANS before taking a fight? Floyd doesn’t have to think that, and yes Floyd DID take the fight, but if some fans THINK that Canelo is a small MW fighting at Jr. MW against a WW (which is true) and that it has a good chance of helping him against an old FMJ (which it does) then that’s our/their OPINION. Just like when Lucas was going to fight Peterson and many people were saying “Lucas hits too hard, he’s going to knock him out” …ok, and? you’re telling me that just because PETERSON took that fight, and just because PETERSON didn’t think it would be a factor, that it wasn’t? that those fans who said that were WRONG? (obviously they weren’t in that case). That’s silly dude. Floyd DID take that challenge however, 100% props and respect to FLOYD, and I DO think HE can pull it off. “Floyd has shown that his decisions are always in HIS best interest and is not the least bit concerned about what the public or media has to say about it.” What’s your point? ANY fighter who takes a bout SHOULD think that it’s in “their best interest” …they should think they can win it, they should think it will give them the biggest pay of their life, they should think SOMETHING favorable. What are you writing? “Skills not size is what matters, isn’t that what Floyd states?” YES, that’s what FLOYD states, just like any other fighter states things to that nature, OBVIOUSLY… but we have WEIGHT DIVISIONS for a reason. HOWEVER, apparently most people agree with Floyd, since he’s the favorite to win on the bases of his EXTREME skill superiority against Canelo’s EXTREME weight advantage (and age factors).

Posted June 3, 2013 1:49 pm 


spartacus 65

Public enemy ,whassup champ. Going with your country man is cool. That’s been the way for decades. I don’t do it, I dont do it. I just go with which fighter Has The GOODS, so to speak. Still champ to each his own, tnats perfectly cool. My buddy Johnny Martinez who is boricua said no doubt he is goi.g for Garcia. Hrbsaid the same thing you did brother. He thinks Danny is going to go down hard. I tend to agree simply because boxing is 90 percent mental. All the other preparations constitute the remaining ten percent. Confidence is crucial. It affects EVERYTHING you do in,the ring. Judging from Dannys expression after witnessing lucas obliterate Lamont, I saw the same expression from mike spinks back in 1988. That was the night Tyson DESTROYED the late Trevor berbick. Absolute silent,frozen fear was on spunks face as he sat inthe audience that night. Danny looked like THAT. I believe,it was 1988. BAsed off of that alone I have a fair idea hoe that fight will play out.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:44 pm 


Q

Spardacus 69: “Mayweather moves his head well enough to avoid anything lethal. However his body stays RIGHT THERE. It doesn’t move. The mistake s lot of these guys make is getting themselves frustrated over his head movements wnich he is good at. None have dedicated themselves to exclusively taking out some major real estate” ….woow, please stop. Floyd’s FOOTWORK separates him from most fighters that have EVER been in this sport EVER. He doesn’t have to stand there and shoulder roll (although he protects his body while doing that as well) and he doesn’t have to let you even hit his gloves, because he can shuffle and side step COMPLETELY out of your punching range. It’s not as simple as you think… apparently. The ONLY thing that can change, is Floyd’s legs (his RENOWNED LEGS) getting even older, and slowing down even more, which will be bad for him against a man SO MUCH heavier and more massive. “Mayweather loves the lead left uppercut” jajaj… no, he’s just able to throw and land it, what he loves is right leads and check left hooks… and winning… he can throw ANYTHING… the ONLY thing below ATG in his OFFENSE is his power. “Mayweather is a rythm fighter.” Noooooooo, no no no no…. no no. No. Rhythm fighters can’t take multiple year and two year layoffs them come back sharp from round one or two on. Floyd doesn’t fit in your box, every generalization you make about the guy is SO far off because he’s just that good, you just simple CAN NOT, generalize anything he does, besides WIN. You want Canelo to out feint Floyd? To throw his rhythm? What you need to hope is simply that the extreme size difference and Canelo’s good talent for who he is and his size, prevail, because that’s ALL he has for FMJ, size. “When he gets set to punch canelo needs to punch at the same time to throw his timing and rythm off.” When FMJ sets to punch? Have you ever seen him fight? The guys seriously a genius, and I understand why you don’t appreciate the guy… because you don’t even comprehend what you’re watching with that guy (that’s not my opinion, that’s just the reality based on your “observations”) Floyd doesn’t “set to punch” the guy stops on a dime, goes from offense to defense to offense from moving to punching like nobody you’ve ever seen in boxing (nobody I’ve seen, please give a name so I can go watch him if he exist).. nothing is that simple against Floyd. What he has to do, is what you END OFF saying, which IS true… he has to fight at a frantic pace and makes those 36 year old legs and that 36 year old declined body work at a uncomfortable rate. And his weight, will help him greatly with that. (if he were the same size as Floyd …he wouldn’t even be option #1 because I’d pick Lucas to knock him out, but that’s me.)

Posted June 3, 2013 1:39 pm 


Same old song with this guy

Mr Rob you need some pom-poms and a cheerleading outfit because all of your articles are the same thing regurgitated over and over. Your reads are all biased and are a matter of personal opinion. You called Alvarez’ victory over Trout “controversial” what fight were you watching?? How many times are you going to write the same thing? Canelo is too big….Canelo needs rehydration limits….Canelo is a light-heavy fighting at 154. Get over it, Mayweather is a big boy and is very capable of making sound decisions for himself. If Mayweather felt this to be as big an issue as you keep crying about then Floyd doesn’t need to take the fight, end of story. Floyd has shown that his decisions are always in HIS best interest and is not the least bit concerned about what the public or media has to say about it. Skills not size is what matters, isn’t that what Floyd states?? Stop cheerleading you sound more lika a fan boy, take a page from Vivek Wallace now that guy can write something worth reading.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:14 pm 


Same old song with this guy

Mr Smith you need some pom-poms and a cheerleading outfit because all of your articles are the same thing regurgitated over and over. Your reads are all biased and are a matter of personal opinion. You called Alvarez’ victory over Trout “controversial” what fight were you watching?? How many times are you going to write the same thing? Canelo is too big….Canelo needs rehydration limits….Canelo is a light-heavy fighting at 154. Get over it, Mayweather is a big boy and is very capable of making sound decisions for himself. If Mayweather felt this to be as big an issue as you keep crying about then Floyd doesn’t need to take the fight, end of story. Floyd has shown that his decisions are always in HIS best interest and is not the least bit concerned about what the public or media has to say about it. Skills not size is what matters, isn’t that what Floyd states?? Stop chearleading you sound more lika a fan boy, take a page from Vivek Wallace now that guy can write something worth reading.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:13 pm 


spartacus 65

Public enemy,whats up champ? Yes, Canelo as I said in earlier posts, HAS to bring more to the table in this fight. He cant half step here. His game MUST be raised. Sore losers? Yes,some of the mexican brothers are BAD sore losers. Then on the flip side i can remember when Pacquiao was running through a lot of the baddest mexican fighters I’ve seen in some time, Morales, Barrera, etc… They actually CHEERED Pacquiao! Go figure. What they,do respect is STRENGTH. They like mano a mano ,meaning, THROW DOWN,NOT RUN AROUND. Thats their thing. But I’m glad brother you stay true to being cool and fair play. Those who talk crap cause of a loss? Just JERKS with a capital J. Face to Face ,not hiding behind a keyboard,I eould love to put an armbar on them and see if they could express themselves a bit better then.Lol. Anybody who gets racial. Peace and strength my friend.

Posted June 3, 2013 10:30 am 


sweet_scientist

Floyd will outclass Canelo too!

Posted June 3, 2013 10:07 am 


Public Enemy

The fight will be interesting but I honestly believe Canelo will not do well vs Mayweather.. Nothing Racial Anti-National about it.. just my belief based on what I see in both fighters.. especially because of how Canelo faired in his last couple of fights.. vs B level opponents much smaller then him…

Posted June 3, 2013 6:10 am 


Proud African

Canelo is occasionally explosive but tends to get tired. From the middle to the late rounds he will get tired and Mayweather who never seems to be fatigued will give him a taste of hell. Canelo will never be the same fighter after that.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:35 am 


spartacus 65

Tark and largo very,very good point. I said that earlier. The training camps will be CRUCIAL. Particularly Canelos. This is the big stage for him. THE BIG STAGE. Floyd? Been there done that. Canelo and camp will HAVE to bring extra to the table. There is no other way.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:14 am 


spartacus 65

Tark and largo very,very good point. I said that earlier. The training camps will be CRUCIAL. Particularly Canelos. This is the big stage for him. THE BIG STAGE. Floyd? Been there done that. Canelo and gus camp will HAVE to bring extra to the table. There is no other way.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:10 am 


spartacus 65

Thanks bulger 65. Believe me friend, NOBODY likes to take it to the body. Mayweather moves his head well enough to avoid anything lethal. However his body stays RIGHT THERE. It doesn’t move. The mistake s lot of these guys make is getting themselves frustrated over his head movements wnich he is good at. None have dedicated themselves to exclusively taking out some major real estate on his body. It takes patience. Mexican fighters are renowned for their body punching. Canelo has the handspeed and most importantly the strength to dictate the terms in the trenches. Mayweather loves the lead left uppercut. He waits fkr the other guy to finish his combo and then he times it well enough to shoot it out there to set up his other combinations. A dedicated attack to his sides ,arms and midsection WILL bring those arms down. Canelo has to feint him and give him different looks all the while putting money so to speak in the bank by takIng his poumd of flesh in the guts of floyd. He can’t be hesitant. Bang his arms,hips etc… Marciano was a master at brutalizing guys to the point their arms couldn’t take it anymore and those arms came DOWN. As he’s there he must move his head to keep mayweather off rythm. Mayweather is a rythm fighter. When he gets set to punch canelo needs to punch at the same time to throw his timing and rythm off. No feeling out here. He has to establish his body attack right away.ThisThis is twelve,not fifteen rounds. Canelo has to be prepared for settiing a frenetic pace and force those 36 years old legs and arms to work at a pace they are not comfortable with.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:00 am 


TARK

Largo…. That’s a smart way to go. You won’t have the best idea of who’s going to win this one until they get deep into training—and you can sense the confidence, or lack of it, from their camps.. From the eventual winner’s camp you get a sense of seriousness, euphoria, and impending victory. Everybody is tuned up and radiating energy. From the loser’s camp you get a certain sense of frivolity and lack of intensity—kind of like the old adage, “whistling past the graveyard.” For his 2nd fight with Sonny Liston reporters were joking around with Floyd Patterson. One said, “Give us a poem about how the fight will go.” Patterson laughed and said, “I won’t go down—in the 1st round.. How’s that?” Reporters looked at each other like, “This guy is not ready for Liston.”

When Patterson was getting ready for the rematch with Ingemar Johansson it was different. He was like a caged tiger. He said things like, “I’m going to beat him very badly every round. I’m ready to destroy him in 4 or 5 rounds. I feel more vicious and savage than I ever felt in my life. Ingo has a problem – ME.” That’s a serious man talking … I think you get the best read for this fight at the weigh-in … Just observe them carefully.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:50 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Ginger people descend from orangutans.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:23 pm 


Informer

This would be the first fight in a while where I feel would be competitive for Floyd. However, I thought the same about Shane Mosley. Shane did rock Floyd and almost put him down. It wasn’t very competitive after that. Just because I think this will be a competitive fight does not mean it will. I don’t think Floyd would have chosen this fight if he thought it would be competitive. I think Floyd saw weaknesses when Canelo fought Trout. Otherwise, Floyd would have never chosen the fight.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:20 pm 


Martin “EL BRUCHADOR” Honorio

sorry nacho— not gonna happen—- but i think u already know whats gonna happen— u just don’t wanna say it—- to avoid disappointing Canelo and the entire Mexican people.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:10 pm 


spartacus 65

Public enemy my friend , often times I’ve noticed when one group of people feel dumped on or that they are the victims of all kinds of injustice real or imagined, that group then feels the NEED to hold on to their injured self esteem buy looking to denigrate another group. It’s wrong and it’s unfortunate. Just don’t allow it to infect you and your sense of decency and fair play. Peace and strength brother.

Posted June 2, 2013 10:45 pm 


PEEJ

Problem is they are just wasting money. First the need to legalize marijuana. Once that is done they could bring trillions into the economy and create thousands of jobs. Next they need to tighten security. They are just throwing money away with this so called drug war

Posted June 2, 2013 9:41 pm 


Public Enemy

along the Mexican border..

Posted June 2, 2013 9:38 pm 


Public Enemy

1.4 Billion spent by the US to try and stem the flow of drugs from Mexico into the USA.. anually..

Posted June 2, 2013 9:38 pm 


Public Enemy

What a fkn mess “Mexicos Drug Wars” CNBC Prime 9pm EST.. Non stop murders, corrupt Police and gov officials in on it and 1000′s of mexicans killed routinely in broad day light.. 100′s dissovlved in Tanks of Acid..

Posted June 2, 2013 9:30 pm 


largo

TARK, I also see Canelo as a formidable opponent for Floyd; The kid is poised, fast combination puncher, has good pop on his punches & showed good defense & intelligence against Trout…i’ll give my pick after the pre-fight hype & training camps.

Posted June 2, 2013 9:27 pm 


PEEJ

Keep I’m mind Canelo has been fighting since he was like 15 or 16. Yes he is in a huge event at only 22 but Floud has been fighting title fights ever since his 12th fight. It took Canello till he has 38 or so fights before he had his first title.

Posted June 2, 2013 9:16 pm 


BeisBall

Chavez Sr. was the original Glove Loader from Tijuana, he tought the MargaCheato them their Glove Loading trick when they took MargaCheato under their wing…

Posted June 2, 2013 8:55 pm 


TARK

Alvarez is more well rounded than Chavez was at his age… He’s bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, more intuitive, and he has a jab.. He’s not going to get flummoxed and out-jabbed by anybody such as Austin Trout — the way Chavez was by Whitaker, Randall, De La Hoya, etc..

And Canelo has the biggest fight in the WORLD going at 22… Gee Whiz! Chavez never did that in his entire career.. Never had the biggest fight out there or pulled 2 million PPV’s.. And the Cinnamon Kid is just getting started.. Floyd wasn’t in the world’d biggest fight until he was about 30 years old … and went after DLH’s 154-pound title.

Posted June 2, 2013 8:23 pm 


spartacus 65

Te,tumbo, Let me say Mexico like the united states has produced a long line of legendary champions. The late Salvador Sanchez to me was simply a MARVEL to witness just to name one. Fast forward some years later and Ricardo lopez was the mexican version of ray Robinson. Seriously. Superb balance, coordination,reflexes,speed,stamina ,heart and grit. Julio cesar chavez was simply for the late eighties and mid,nineties a darn FIGHTING MACHINE. A hellacious blend of effective aggression, body punching,two fisted accuracy dogged determination and an assasins mentality. Ruthless sob. The closet thi.ng perhaps to smoking Joe Frazier. Canelo has potential but the jury is still out . Trout was a good step in the right direction. Looking forward to seeing his progress.

Posted June 2, 2013 8:10 pm 


TARK

Largo… But I do have Floyd in this fight…so far. I like to look at the other side of the coin to keep things in perspective … and to keep from betting the farm on anybody.

It seems to me Floydiots in general are getting a little too giddy about his GOAT status.. I get that way myself.. I’ve been around for many decades and every single time people have gotten over-the-top about a boxing idol??? Guess what???

Their balloon gets popped by somebody like Frazier, Norton, Spinks, Douglas, Holyfield, McCall, Tarver, Sanders, etc. etc. etc….

Posted June 2, 2013 7:48 pm 


largo

TARK, I’m glad for you, you found something to be excited about…good for you.

Posted June 2, 2013 7:22 pm 


largo

hahahahahaha

Posted June 2, 2013 7:20 pm 


TARK

Floydiots are worried… If this 22-year-old, whom they call a tyro, beats the GOAT, it will knock these Zu Zu Landers flat on their ear.

“How the mighty fall to mere children.” …

If Canelo pulls off a staggering upset he might say., “Sure I’ll give Floyd a rematch.. If he wants one.. But I’ll be understanding if he doesn’t. That was the hardest shot I ever landed — and I could find the mark with it again.. I’m only 23 and every day I work harder to make all my weapons better, sharper, and more deadly.. I won’t peak until I’m 30 years old.. I feel I’m still getting better rapidly … I don’t know about Floyd.”

Posted June 2, 2013 5:43 pm 


spartacus 65

Publicenemy is dumb, what’s up ? You are so right brother when you say A LOT of folks are getting not just upset but really carried away with Mayweather fighting this kid Canelo. Frankly it doesn’t seem kosher. Im not trying to be funny here when I say that. Since this fight was announced I’ve seen guys almost get physical over people pulling for Canelo. This is no joke. Unfortunately Im hearing too much racial vomit. A lot if it directed towards this Canelo kid. White boy this and that etc… I dont get it. This is almost as if these guys have a BIGGER axe to grind. Mayweather is almost symbolic in all this. Not cool.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:09 pm 


Patrick2

A question for the Mayweather critics. Who, currently, besides Canelo, offers a bigger challenge AND makes a better business case? Answer: (fill in the missing letter) Nx One.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:06 pm 


TARK

Public Enemy writes.., “Canelo will get beaten even easier then Guererro did by Floyd.” LMFAO…WTF???

Guerrero struggled mightily to beat unknown Selcuk Aydin—a flailer so inept he couldn’t even beat Soto Karass.. Guerrero is so easy to hit he looked like a mugging victim after each of his last 3 fights. He’s as subtle as Brian Vera.

Canelo whipped 171-pound slick boxing southpaw, Austin Trout, who was undefeated. Trout beat ATG Miguel Cotto decisively. Remember, Mayweather stated Cotto was his toughest opponent ever. Trout is a 10 X better boxer than Berto or Aydin. Canelo fought Trout’s fight. The Kid out-boxed this mature slickster from long range. Saul was awarded a UD, and now dominates his division. He emerged clean as a whistle because Trout was unable to lay a damaging glove on him. Floydiots who claim Trout had Saul going with body shots are living in Zu Zu Land. Canelo would take Aydin out in the 1st round, and KO Guerrero in 5. It would be a more devastating slaughter than imposed on Josesito Lopez—the kid who made VO quit.

The Cinnamon Kid will give Floyd a ton more trouble than the Gabbling Ghost.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:40 pm 


Publicenemyisdumb

Why are all these Negroids upset that I guy who looks like Richie Cunningham beat Austin Trout and will give Mayweather his first loss on paper and his 2nd actual loss ? Just wondering

Posted June 2, 2013 2:20 pm 


Mex

What fight were you watching?? Canelo beat trout with bad conditioning

Posted June 2, 2013 2:19 pm 


Pete Wells

What will be the excuses the day after Floyd takes this kid to school? I honestly don’t know what fight people was watching were this kid did all this head movement and had this superior defense because it definitely wasn’t agains Trout. He lost that fight and GB ” Oscar Dela (Cocaine is a hellava drug) Hoya” paid for that decision. I saw this kid move his head like he was looking for a taco stand & people aee calling it head movement. The so called defense is a myth & that will be exposed in September. But I’m looking forward to the excuses from the likes of Skip Bayless, Larry Merchant, and the rest of the fools from HBO. I just don’t see this being a tough fight for Floyd, the tough part of this fight will be the training Floyd will have to go through. As forthe fight itself, 45-0, with haters crying about the 2 lbs this kid brought to the table…

Posted June 2, 2013 1:43 pm 


Tomato Can

Sorry: Nacho Baristain

Posted June 2, 2013 12:19 pm 


spartacus 65

Agreed. Bringing up race is NEVER a positive. When that happens pretty soon the posts start to degenerate into an US vs THEM type of thing and shortly thereafter the insults and name calling begins. Just boxing gentlemen. Peace

Posted June 2, 2013 11:54 am 


tachyon

Good post Anonymous again only thing Canelo brings to the ring is 172 pounds again how a light Heavy Weight can fight for a WW title is pathetic. Canelo should be fighting B-Hop, Cloud, Pascal, etc. Problem is he sucks so GBP keeps him in a lower weight division where he can come in at 172 to beat opponents. When that does not little cooking to win as anyone with a brain could see Trout whupped Canelo compu box showed it plain and simple. Trout was robbed.

Posted June 2, 2013 11:47 am 


spartacus 65

Btw. Sorry about some misspelling gentlemen. The darn cursor is acting up. Peace.

Posted June 2, 2013 10:03 am 


spartacus 65

Sexual chocolate you my friend are correct. SOMEBODY SURE did get all riled up.All of us are entitled to our opinions. Nothing wrong with that. However respectful disagreement should be the order of the day. Thats how ADULTS do things., Most of you gentlemen are pretty cool ,really you fellas obviously like the sport as I do. We admire the atheletes but im sure none of us have a vested interest in them .Lol. Most of don’t anyway. Lol .On a serious note the lighter weight divisions have always brought out the most incredibke takent and produced the most memorable and compelling fights. Looking forwars to more in the future. Cheers genlemen.

Posted June 2, 2013 10:00 am 


The Mad Scientist

Shots fire! Shots fire! Man down! Man down!

Posted June 2, 2013 9:54 am 


Anonymous

Canelo is big strong and powerful but slow. His defense sucks and it looked like he ran out of gas in the trout fight, He will try to chase MW and brawl, which he will miss a lot and get countered maybe even stopped. Dude is not on the level but this fight will pay big money PPvs wise, Canelo fought nobodys, look for him to get schooled worst than the Ghost.

Posted June 2, 2013 8:47 am 


Public Enemy

As PT Barnum said “There’s a sucker born every day” Same idiots now hyping this up that hyped up the Gurerrero fight… Canelo will get beaten even easier then Guererro did by Floyd.. Canelo Gassing out in the 3rd round vs feather fisted trout showed he is ready to be taken out.. and Floyd is going to be the one to do it…

Posted June 2, 2013 8:06 am 


Sexual Chocolate

DAM!!! Someone got their panties all bunched up !!!!

Posted June 2, 2013 4:50 am 


tszyu

And he’s overpaid ‘n’ overrated.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:44 am 


Anonymous

Floyd is the most boring fighter in the history of boxing second to Hopkins.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:40 am 


Havoc

I can’t predict this fight! My best guess is they are going for trilogy or more. Floyd is a fraud and you put golden boy promotion, man this fight will blow up in thier faces. Showtime will regret signing a boxer Who thinks he is bigger than HBO!

Posted June 2, 2013 4:26 am 


Q

Floyd is more of a body of work super legend as well, his body of work is extensive and impressive. And you KNOW… that these last 4 fights will also be against #1 rated or champion rated …world champions, you KNOW it… and what are you telling me, what he’s not top 10 ATG at least? come on, go to sleep. I am, Goodnight. I won’t be posting here likely for a while. Peace

Posted June 2, 2013 4:09 am 


Q

Those were also HW Vs. HW… men fighting men there own size. division, but that’s why I lift this bout up there a bit, but also place it more on the Cooney side.,,, Canelo is another great white hype and he’s also projected to unify and take over his division with an iron fist by some. NO WAY this man from 147 should come to HIS DIVISION and take his light and crown from him at 36.. no way…. go fetch that cornerstone Floyd, go fetch it.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:05 am 


Q

Anyway, I don’t care about your rose color glasses, nor the hate of any other user that makes them irrational….. Floyd Mayweather Jr. Vs Saúl “Canelo” Alvarez = Larry Holmes Vs. Gerry Cooney (at least)…IMO… it can be just as much as a cornerstone IMO, the only difference is, I guess more people were under the impression that Cooney had a chance? well don’t blame that on FMJ. it’s also a bit of Ali Vs. Foreman…. but I’ll place Canelo more on the Cooney side of the road than Foreman of course.

Posted June 2, 2013 4:00 am 


Q

34 pounds south*

Posted June 2, 2013 3:50 am 


Q

wait… or LESS THAN TOP 10

Posted June 2, 2013 3:49 am 


Q

spartacus 65: Rose colored glassed, with ANY of the ATG’s, 99% of their bouts were against top 10ers…. I’m guessing the multiple division champions and P4Pers that FMJ have been beating 15+ years could fit into the top 10 at least of most top 10′s of just about any era, and don’t deny it unless you can prove otherwise, but I’ll ask you to take off the rose colored glasses while searching. What certain legends have (SOME) that Floyd doesn’t are CORNERSTONE WINS… and as great as Hearns was, his competition was better than FMJ’s… but he definitely has less champions and P4Pers on his resume and his biggest win is Duran… who’s best was considered 34 pounds north of where they fought. Just saying. Floyd’s resume is actually ATG by itself… and he has 5 more fights to go, with this win and wins against a seemingly ATG puncher like Mathyssee in the future, or heck Danny if he wins, and these other guys… like even a Bradley, a Manny down the line… come on, his resume is subtly stacked. Canelo can be his cornerstone bout. JUST based on the great size difference against an Elite division kingpin ranked fighter (as a boxer not a puncher). How many fighters have better resumes than FMJ? and explain how.. and don’t list an 10000 fight fighters of 100 years ago, we know how they fought back then.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:44 am 


te tumbo

here here !!! what Pubis said !!!!

Posted June 2, 2013 3:36 am 


Pubic Enema

Q you sir are a WANKER !! good night good riddance !!!!

Posted June 2, 2013 3:36 am 


Q

spartacus 65: Yes, who you’ve run those stats up on matters, and 15+ champions, multi division champions, P4Pers and Lineal champions through 5 divisions since the age of 21 starting with Genero Hernandez… he’s run these stats up against a consistently upper echelon level of fighter, if you can’t appreciate that, you’re just bored and nostalgic, but I can’t help you. And save the Castillo 1 talk. I saw 9-3 or 8-4 Mayweather (that was moving up and outweight by over 10 pounds with one arm) that’s what FMJ gets done. He’s fought bigger men… stronger… faster… great counter punchers etc…. and he’s run these stats up on them…. you keep speaking about Benitez who did he beat again? THen I’ll go watch the bout and tell you what I think.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:35 am 


Ray Ray

I like Alvarez, hes young has ability and should b up the top 4 yrs 2 come….Im not convinced hes the nxt mexican legend though? He didnt look great against old man Mosley or Austin Trout, Floyd is a step up on those guys…he will frustrate the hell out of Alvarez, its is a big name fight though which boxing needs more of.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:29 am 


spartacus 65

Diego Corrales God rest his soul was a one dimensional puncher. He never fought to his strengths.By that Im refering to the fact he fought down to the size of his opponent. He didn’t fight tall,utilize an effective jab and also kept his guard wide open for lead straight rights and left hooks. Arturo ghatti was a glorified friday night punching bag. Brave but very one dimensional. Castillo actually should have ine the first fight but the decision was awarded to Mayweather. The second fight Mayweather adjusted anf won fair and won fair and square. After that the rest of his opposition was pretty much different variatiins of the group I just mentioned. As i said before a fighter is only as good as the man he faces. Mayweather happens to have a bit more than the others. I can’t say he would put fear into the alltime greats. Statistics are overrated. Who have you run up thise statistics against tells the story.

Posted June 2, 2013 3:14 am 


spartacus 65

Side note, benitez was the youngest man at seventeen to win a title. He was burnt lut by the time he was twenty four more or less. Sad story ending to a talented champion.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:46 am 


spartacus 65

Actually the ray leonard vs benitez bout was very close up until the stoppage. By leonards own admission he said benitez was by far the best defensive fighter he ever faced . Ray actuallt missed quite a bit of punches. Tark you are correct when you say feints were effective against wilfred. It was done expertly by Thomas Hearns who possessed lightning reflexes. Still even hearns had some difficulty ih the beginning with benitez. Benitez is a vegetable unfortunately from extensive cocaine use which affected his rinf performances. Add in the fact that he did not like to train and eventually those bad habits will takes its toll. He took punches later that he would never have taken before.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:37 am 


spartacus 65

Q,there is no NEED to get irritated. Just my opinion friend like you are. Yes benitez lost to the BEST. SURE Mayweather has a high percentage because he fights infrequently and he throws a minimum amount of punches. The ones he throws are of course when his opponent makes s mistake. When you potshot especially on the levek Mayweather does ,it’s pretty certain you will have a,higher connect percentage. The ither fighters I mentioned let their hands go much more than Mayweather. So,just by law, of averages their connect rate would be lower. It’s like say in the NFL the coach from one team tells his quarterback to be conservative in his passing. Hand the ball off to the running back more. So the quarter back may lets say thriw twelve passes and connect on ten of them. High percentage,of course. He was conservative in his passing. That is basically Mayweather. Throw less, connect more and high connect rate. Simple. Couple that with lets be honest, not very elite fighters and there is no mystery to his NUMBERS. Just stating a fact my friend. Second Listen brother I know you are obviously a Mayweather fan. No doubt. That’s okay. Ni need however to get emotional over a disagreement of view. Spreading lies? Brother, relax. Its only boxing. Just giving my opinion. I feel he’s overrated just as I will say pacman is a bit overrated. And I like pacman.The weight issue? He agreed to it and thats should be that. Rehydration? Im not a fan of it. Never have been. Yet its allowed. Still Mayweather is a big boy so let hin show it in the ring. This weight thung seems to really be bothering a lot of Mayweather fans. He agreed so i say case closed. Peace champ.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:27 am 


Q

Fight Scribe: Don’t count on it… we know what this game is about.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:25 am 


Q

I always thought FMJ from 5 years ago was going to give Manny a boxing lesson… that it would be like Morales Vs. Manny I mixed with any of his JMM bouts, that’s what I personally expected… but at 36 fighting the Ring champion, a strong 154 bull with that size advantage… I think it’s a SMALLER NAME, lesser accomplished fighter Floyd will fight in Canelo… that will likely NEVER approach a MP’s career…. but I do think it’s a more difficult objective for FMJ…. at this point in his career and that weight. This fight is more dangerous than the MP bout in ways…. I think FMJ could have kept Manny on the outs… but he’s fighting a really strong really big young champion…. so give Floyd is credit and let it go.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:24 am 


Fight Scribe

Does Nacho ever pick a non-Mexican fighter over a Mexican fighter?

Posted June 2, 2013 2:19 am 


Q

I think if Canelo’s speed is enough in this bout and Floyd’s slowed down enough, he can just use that big size advantage, and throw those counter combinations when Floyd tries to pot shot, really… but he’ll end up waiting, but the kid has some things going for him, mostly from this size difference, but that’s not going to change, so it has to be addressed. That size advantage is what makes this bout even fair for Canelo… if FMJ fights a man he just comparable outweighed by 26lbs…. it would be an atg exhibition of what’s the point?ness

Posted June 2, 2013 2:17 am 


Anonymous

People/haters who don’t know boxing tried to define Floyds career off Manny and when he fight wasn’t made took it as if he was scared, Floyd beat Cotto, DLH before Manny. Alverez hasn’t fought anyone It doesn’t matter if his is undefeated when he fought nobodys, floyd has never ducked anyone, Manny then goes on to get whopped his last 3 fights plus koed, his name shouldn’t even be mentioned in the elite. I seriously doubt if Manny will ever fight again in the U.S. China don’t care about PEDs. or testing Alverez is no beast he is just has a big following that can generate a lot of ppvs. But boxing wise he is easy work. Sad to say people probably wont apprechiate what Floyd is until he is long gone out the sport.. haters

Posted June 2, 2013 2:16 am 


Q

TARK: Thank you. Floyd is statistically the GOAT defender of all time, and it’s not surprising, he’s an all around defender… he can still with his reflexes, but this guy use feints and all types of misdirections for defense, it’s not even close, that defense is SOLID all time, easy. That’s why he can still do it at 36… people don’t understand these things.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:13 am 


Q

TARK: False, Canelo didn’t do what he did with Trout to improve it… if you watch the fight, Canelo was rather clumsy while LEADING, … he was most effective my far with countering, and he started going 100% defensive when he got tired and started getting hurt to the body, that’s what I saw. Then with the open scoring, he knew he didn’t hardly have to punch to win rounds, and went completely defensive… it was not smooth, and worked well because the only punch he’d throw “his right lead” for much of the fight, Trout not only is a southpaw, but kept circling and leaning to it.. so he could back pedal, but keep Trout from setting and setting up, because Trout was kept honest by the rights and such, and he didn’t have power to do too much useful committing, and was slower. I think Floyd does BETTER, if he gets Canelo fighting coming forward or going backwards…. Canelo’s advantage is just being unnaturally bigger in a fight of this era, lol… and being strong as it is for his weight… but I think Floyd can win this with his movement and pop shots, the good thing is that Canelo isn’t an ATTACKER, but rather a counter puncher…. but Floyd is going to have to REALLY pepper him. If he can’t hurt him for the extreme size difference, then he’ll have to at least get one of his eyes closing or something.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:09 am 


TARK

spartacus 65 writes…., “Wlifred the radar Benitez comes to mind”

He does?????? By the time Benitez was Floyd’s age he was a vegetable.. Benitez had a beatable defense and Sugar Ray Leonard was the first one to knock him out.. Benitez fought off his front foot and tried to slip everything. I predicted he’d come to a bad end because anyone with a good jab and straight right would nail him with straight shots all night long…

When you try to slip every punch somebody with good feinting and punching skills will soon find out what direction you like to slip a particular punch and adjust for it.. Usually a boxer likes to slip to his right for jabs and either way for straight rights, but mostly to the right. Good boxers messed Benitez’s radar up by using tons of subtle feints and cracking straight shots straight at his nose … He beat a few names who couldn’t box really well every night, but inevitably he took many beatings from good sharp shooters… Floyd is the acknowledged GOAT defender.

Posted June 2, 2013 2:04 am 


Havoc

Blah

Posted June 2, 2013 1:45 am 


TARK

This pundit writes…., “Canelo’s combination punching is mostly to the body rather than the head.”

You haven’t watched Canelo’s fights… His combination punching is mainly to the head, but there’s a good mix of body shots … which there should be.. Canelo’s strategy against Trout was to box from the outside, because that’s a strength he needs to build on.. Against Floyd he’ll be going inside and outside.. He definitely will use his jab and straight right, like he did versus Austin Trout.. They should be effective weapons for him.

Posted June 2, 2013 1:44 am 


Q

Spart: “As for Mayweather. Good defense. But I’ve seen better defenses and against much,much better competition. Wlifred the radar benitez comes to mind., No shoulder roll necessary. He could stand directly ib front of you ,make you miss then snake like counter” – You say you’ve seen better defenses but NOBODY comes close to his very low rate he gets hit ON RECORDED RECORD mixed with his accuracy. Benitez fought better opposition, but he lost to all the guys you can NAME. Floyd in his prime had reflexes like a mongoose, and countered faster than Benitez and has a more sneaking counter. You’re settle for Benitez (a defensive legend) because that’s as close as you can get, but OF COURSE, it’s FMJ we’re talking about. Floyd was countering this man he just fought with right and left uppercut lead counters, that’s stupid special… I don’t care which P4Per or champion you are doing that too, you’re not supposed to do this.. period, that’s special. You write things like “that’s how you beat a counter puncher” …dude… Mayweather is so much more than you seem to grasp. Go watch Diego Corrales Vs. FMJ …that’s beyond any normal great counter puncher, that movement was something ATG in that bout, that’s was a pure boxing expedition for training videos or something… that’s why you can’t just think “pressure pressure” because Floyd isn’t just a flat footed counter puncher.. but I’ll say he’s slowed down… and Canelo’s chance, lies in his extreme size difference, and yes you’re spreading lies. Canelo is fighting at the weight HE chose, not the other way around. *SRL fought a catchweight against a lesser fighter* …dude we can go on like this for DAYS AND WEEEKS, just give this one up. You say prime fighters fighting eachother in their prime, but what you have HERE, is a PAST PRIME fighter fighting a man at his physical prime (23 in a couple months) who also just weighed 40+ pounds over where he started. Only people like you all would try to fight these facts. Prime Vs. Prime = Mayweather Vs. Corrales/Castillo etc… those fights were normal…. this is PAST PRIME Vs. Heir apparent WAY BIGGER. You all brag on Hagler Vs. Mugabi… well look at this, Floyd doesn’t even BELONG fighting a man this size, let alone him being the so called “future of boxing.” Floyd matches up favorably against ANY AND ALL of your heroes, period. Goodnight.

Posted June 2, 2013 1:41 am 


Havoc

Q – blah blah blah….

Posted June 2, 2013 1:35 am 


Q

Spartacus: Mayweather looks like a genuis for todays standards because emphasis was put a lot on stressing defence. So of course he looks like a wizard – what do you mean “today’s standards”? He’s blowing everybody elses connect to missed ratio out the water, that’s for ANY FIGHTER in HISTORY, that’s statistical fact, that’s ANY ERA’S standards, do yeah, you’re right, OF COURSE he looks like a wizard with the defense.. and FMJ is extremely well rounded, and has a no tell offense and the ability to land with ATG accuracy with any punch he needs, he’s an ATG COUNTER puncher, he’s an ATG IN FIGHTER and an ATG outside boxer…. his accuracy blows your favorites out the water STATISTICALLY, and his defense as well. Paquiao fights how he fights or fought because the EMPHASIS was on STRESSING HIS STRENGTHS. Listen, that’s BOXING… great counter punchers (think James Toney, think Juan Manuel Marquez, think Guillermo Rigondeaux) are flat footed fighters.. it’s by design for those types, so they can be set to make you pay for everything, they aren’t usually “wheels” fighters, they try to make you BARELY miss to make you pay. Floyd in various fights or points of the same fight can fight into that mold of legendary flat footed counter punchers. They naturally are prone to have problems with quick rangy boxer types, that’s often a “shortcoming” of there style. Then you have boxer-types, who are all about offsetting movement and catching you on the move and on the back foot or going sideways (think… well, there isn’t even an example of this better than FMJ that I can think of off the top of my head) …they tend to have problems that the counter guys do not, they often can’t handle too much pressure because that offsetting movement is to mask the lack of power (think of Paulie Malignnagi I suppose or Amir Khan I guess). These guys ALWAYS have certain shortcomings, that’s where STYLES MAKE FIGHTS comes from, you have to understand this… the thing is, FMJ is probably the ATG most versatile skilled talent ever in boxing, he brings all those things together with monster technique and talent. His skills MORE than match up with any fighter EVER.

Posted June 2, 2013 1:23 am 


Q

Spartacus: “That being said Mayweather looked good because Guerrero MADE him look good due to his obvious limitations.” – omg ….no, Guerrero looked HORRIBLE, because FMJ MADE him look HORRIBLE, and that’s what ANY fighter is supposed to do. You take about fighters falling victim to their OWN limitations, and that’s what GREAT fighters MAKE you do. YES, FMJ has lost a step or two FOR SURE, but your “matter of fact” statements are shotty man. SSM was NOT “doing good then gassed” …he had a good couple great shots in the first round, then was shut out in the very next round, go watch the punch stats from that second round. He was NOT EVER “doing well then gassed” …he got in some good shots in the VERY FIRST ROUND, and that was it, done. To blame everything on the other guys shortcomings is completely ridiculous. ODH won about 3 rounds as far as what I saw… his shortcomings didn’t beat him, Floyd’s ability to EXPLOIT his “shortcomings” beat him. Every fighter has shortcomings, and they take them with them into EVERY FIGHT. Don’t tell me that these guys “fall victim to their shortcomings” that’s crap nonsense… you don’t fall victim to your shortcomings, you have them exploited, which is the root of STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, the thing is, Floyd has the brilliance to exploit the shortcomings in the styles of VARIOUS fighters… Hearns fell victim to his shortcomings against Leonard (he couldn’t take his punch the full fight) so what? He had that EXPLOITED, that’s what BOXING IS. Floyd won’t be banking on anything, but his skills and abilities and conditioning and all that he is, beating Canelo’s all of that and what he is as a fighter. That’s what it always is in fights, that’s what it always was, and that’s what it will always be.

Posted June 2, 2013 1:09 am 


Q

spartacus 65: I see that you like boxing, but if I keep reading your post I’m just going to get irritated, I don’t agree with most of what you write. Having watched boxing a few decades doesn’t make you an expert, and the fact that you started out by giving the same tired gameplan on how to fight FMJ as I’ve seen written on these boards for the last 9 years more or less while acting like nobody has every thought about it before is kind of hilarious, jaja. Enjoy man. Maybe tomorrow I’ll respond to your extra long opinion post, but you miss lots of nuance within the sport still. Goodnight.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:55 am 


Ghetto Thug

Im tired of watching people say that we mexicans cheer for this hypejob something that is NOT true, just casual fans are crazy for him here in mexico, most of us dont buy into this bullcrap, so we expect him to be exposed by Money May

Posted June 2, 2013 12:53 am 


Pubic Enema

I’m coming for you Anonymous !!!!!!!

Posted June 2, 2013 12:48 am 


Anonymous

Mayweather has gotten OLD. Can mayweather be beaten YES.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:39 am 


spartacus 65

Lion.king,thanks brother. Yes I’ve been watching fights since i was ten years old. Let me tell you tbe fighters back then came PREPARED. They were not rushed into fights before their time just flr the big cash out. What made them so good was that even the top ten guys were good fighters who frankly some of them could’ve been champions today. Tne trainers as a rule made sure they stepped up in competition with each successive bout say after their first ten bouts. No shortcuts. EVERY aspect of their game wasworked on. Mayweather looks like a genuis for todays standards because emphasis was put a lot on stressing defence. So of course he looks like a wizard . His father is an old school trainer . Respect to him. Pacquiao is a offensive dynamo because emphasis was placed on his, explosiveness. Defense was not a priority. Freddie Roach upped his game by making manny a two fisted dynamo instead just a one handed one.,However he droppedthe ball on defense which us Marquez gave manny fits. Ironically roach caught on in the knockout loss. Manny used head movement similar to a prime Tyson and became unpredictable. Marquez didn’t kniw where the punches were going to cone from. There were points where he looked confused. Manny was gaininf the upper hand till he got careless. He went into a strike position that Marquez had seen from previous fights and paid the price for his lapse of concentration. No suprise there. Im waiting to see a COMPLETE fighter come up on the scene. Several actually. Then you will see some hall of fame fights.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:38 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

spartacus 65: Sure thing, amigo. I can tell that you’ve been following boxing pretty closely for at least a couple decades. You have some very interesting things to say. Good stuff

Posted June 2, 2013 12:08 am 


spartacus 65

Ray Ray, I agree. Kudos to both fighters for what should be an entertaining bout come September.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:06 am 


spartacus 65

Yes it is true bernstein bombed on Guerrero. Perhaps the national affinity for his countryman kicked in. Not a bad thing. Mexican fighters are tough, brave and consistent. Nacho is a top notch trainer coming from a rich tradition of champions. Guerrero had no chance outside of a well placed shot on the sweet spot to make a change in titles that nighr. That being said Mayweather looked good because Guerrero MADE him look good due to his obvious limitations. I watched the fight and Mayweather senior played a big part in his son looking better in that fight. Still you are only as good as the guy in front of you. Mayweather has slowed down. NO DOUBT. There is a drop off. Canelo however NEEDS to bring more to the table. He DOES have fast hands but he has to pick up his output.,Two , he must move his head more.,,Third he needs to work angkes more. He does these things then yes he could pull it off. Shane came close, gassed lut too quickly,delahoya did well then as is his custom gas out the second half of a bout. Mayweather is banking on this kid falling prey to his shortcomings so to speak. Canelos training camp will be the key.

Posted June 2, 2013 12:02 am 


Havoc

Lucky punch chance!

Posted June 1, 2013 11:59 pm 


JP

Canelo… Combination punches… lol? He’ll gas out by round 3 and it’ll be a beatdown from there.

Posted June 1, 2013 11:48 pm 


Public Enemy

“Beristain likes Canelo chances” He also liked Guerreros chances..

Posted June 1, 2013 11:32 pm 


largo

“Beristain likes Canelo chances..” so what??

Posted June 1, 2013 11:29 pm 


Ray Ray

I must be watching diff Alvarez fights than Nancho….Alvarez plods Fward with no head movement….congrates 2 both guys taking the fight, however this is a step up 4 Alvarez and he will have 2 perform better than he ever has

Posted June 1, 2013 11:25 pm 


spartacus 65

Tachyon,how are you? Read my later post champ. I DONT like the rehydration nonsense. NEVER did. Still thats the way it is. Mayweather obviously feels he can beat this kid so he is willingly to let it go at that. Second, I dont idolize no one. These are boxers. Atheletes. Admirable but nothing to look up too. Third ,Mayweather is a big boy he knows what he’s doing. Frankly im sure he sees a weakness which is why he took the fighr. Honestly I feel Canelo should have WAITED and developed his game more. Im,certsin thats what Mayweather is banking on. Still it should be interesting.

Posted June 1, 2013 11:21 pm 


spartacus 65

Lion king thank you my friend. Appreciate that. When elite fighters fight each other in their primes ,first they become better fighters because they have faced the absolute BEST and BOTH eljte fighters come out the better for it. Second ,someone has to lose.,No shame in losing if you gave it your all. Come back to figjt another day. Chances are the loser becomes a winner because he will have learned from that loss. Wnen the best fight the best, NOBODY goes undefeated. Put aside controversial decisions, if the fivhts are judged correctly without prejudiced then no one is undefeated. Doesn’t make you less of afighter. Just shoes that you are fighting the best . Undefeated tells me that you didnt fight the absolute best. Marciano was good,retired undefeated but the reality is he fought old fighters just before he retired at 49_0. Im sure had he fought sonny liston who was looming over the hill there would be ni 49 and zero. The same applies for Joe calzhagi. I like Joe. Good fighter. Retired undefeated. Still he didnt fight Roy Jones in his PRIME. NEITHER BERNARS HOPKINS. Bad joe took on either one im sure he does not have a zero.

Posted June 1, 2013 11:12 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Floyd is NOT untouchable. If Canelo is able to land the same type of shots on Floyd that Cotto landed…. Mayweather is gonna take a seat on the canvans — or possibly even worse. That being said, I expect a highly -competitive fight wherein Floyd outboxes the young kid. IMO, Canelo is not quite ready for FMJ because he hadn’t yet reached his prime. In another 2 years, Canelo would beat Floyd. Real talk.

Posted June 1, 2013 11:06 pm 


tachyon

Q good post Spart seems to think coming in at Light Heavy Weight for a guy who fights at 147 pound division is cool and Canelo is his idol. Shows you the depths to which boxing has fallen. Rules are trashed, weight divisions ignored, and corrupt judging soon the only boxing matches you see will be part of Ringling Brothers Circus.

Posted June 1, 2013 11:01 pm 


spartacus 65

Yes my friend. Canelo will HAVE to bring more than what he usually brings. His corner will have to raise THEIR game another level. If he decides to go about it the usual route, meaning tradi.g jabs and trying to FENCE with Mayweather,then he will be at a big disadvantage., Counter punchers are just that. Their entire game is predicated off of anticipating what the other guy is going to do. They are prepared for a typical offensive strike that is textbook. Tbey will eat that up. Wbat they are NOT prepared for is an unpredictable attack. When the incoming offense is coming from unexpected angles, combined with constant EFFECTIVE agrression and good head movement it messes the counterpuncher over bigtime. His advantage is taken away and they are left guessing thus putting them on the defensive even more., limitung their offense in the process. Tyson,pryor and Duran in,their primes,on top of their games were MASTEES at that. Thats how you beat a counter puncher.,CAN CANELO DO THAT? Remains to be seen. It will be interesting.

Posted June 1, 2013 10:54 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

spartacus 65: Some really nice posts, mano. I agree with a lot of what you’d said here.

Posted June 1, 2013 10:49 pm 


spartacus 65

Q, I agree with you in regards to Ali. I always felt that technically he was subpar. His a bove aberage speed,reflexes and timing saved the day for him in hus early years. Once he slowed down just a tad this becane more apparent when he faced better caliber fighters. Particularly Eddie futch trained fighters. Personally I feel Larry Holmes was a much better technician than Ali. As for Mayweather. Good defense. But I’ve seen better defenses and against much,much better competition. Wlifred the radar benitez comes to mind., No shoulder roll necessary. He could stand directly ib front of you ,make you miss then snake like counter with a KNICKOUT punch. There are several others but benitez will do. Second yes he did call out Mayweather but according to several articles I read Schaefer said BOTH sides had to make concessions. Canelo with 152 and of course Mayweather moving away from the 147 lbs. Stipulation. That was just too absurd. That being said the part my friend about me spreading lies is a bit harsh., Q, this is i
Only about boxing. No need to take it to that degree. Im a fan of Pacquiao but I will critic him also if need be . Just using an example. Also I personally over the years NEVER cared for the rehydration tjat these guys have been doing over the last twenty odd years. In the old days you were contracted to weugh a certain amount on fighr night. If not the fight could be called off. Still it is allowed and that’s just the way it is. Agaun my,friend I dont take nothing personal. We can respectfully disagree champ.

Posted June 1, 2013 10:22 pm 


Shatterd Dreams

120%, trained….Because Saul will need that extra 20% and the rest .

Posted June 1, 2013 10:19 pm 


Dino

Mayweather already sees something in Canelo that makes him think he can win, Mayweather has a ring IQ far greater than Canelo. Mayweather will make him miss and counter all night, will Money get hit? sure, but he will outsmart the young lion all night. Money, by majority decision. Congrats to Money for taking this fight, that’s what GREAT CHAMPIONS do.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:41 pm 


Q

spartacus 65: sigh…. you’re not drunk… but I don’t agree with most of what you say. I’ll just point out for you that Canelo and HIS team were the ones that called out FMJ and said they’d go to 150 for the fight. There was no concession from Camp Canelo, the concession was from FMJ who called them on their word then they went back on it, and said 152, and FMJ agreed to that. You can’t honestly say that Canelo is the one that needs to offset something in terms of weight, he weighed 26 pounds more than FMJ in their last fight comparisons, and Floyd just fought at 147 and was called out against by Canelo after Canelo’s 154 division bout where he weighed 172 pounds. Floyd never had to go back up to 154 again, it’s not like he was there then he said ok, let’s fight but down here. That’s false, and you’re changing up stories and spreading lies.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:37 pm 


Q

spartacus 65: being fair, FMJ is a small WW, but he could have fought a Duran at 140-135… and Aaron Pryors… those types… I don’t know if he’d still be undefeated.. that’s a very difficult proposition with other legends, but FMJ technically is better than 99% of the fighters from any era, seriously. He’s way outside of the box.. to the point to where it’s a bit beyond eras, as far as his knowledge compared to any fighter throughout history. There have been guys with more firepower, but that his versatility and skill set…. I can’t really think of anyone with my limited knowledge. I also don’t think that Ali was that technically good.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:33 pm 


spartacus 65

I agree with another gentlmen on this forum who mentioned the catchweight issue. Hopefully this wont be the case with canelo. He shouldn’t have had to do that cause Mayweather is a 154 lb title holder. No excuses for Mayweather there. Sorry. Still I think Canello will be fight night rehydrate enough ti offset that. But honestly this concession is because he is seeing a huge payday in front of him. Hopefully it doesn’t backfire. Still Mayweather conversly may have overplayed his hand. Keep in mind showtime would not except another no hoper. They are in this to MAKE money. Not lose money. So Mayweather in a sense had NO CHOICE but to fight this kid. It will be interesting.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:29 pm 


JoeKidd

Canelo will have a chance if Floyd gives him a chance. If Floyd runs, Canelo ain’t catching nothing! But maybe the fans will boo and force Floyd to exchange.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:17 pm 


spartacus 65

Q, it’s okay champ. I don’t take NOTHING personal. We are both fans of the sport and that’s cool. I’ve been watching boxing fir over thirty years and I have already seen the BEST. THE CREAM OF THE CROP. These guys today are VERY fortunate killers like duran, Ray leonard, the HITMAN and a lot of other fearless fighters of that elite caliber are not around today . Im a Pacquiao fan,admirw his heart and his sportsmanship. He is truly a throw back warrior. Still I am honest when U say eben he wouldn’t be able to deal with the gentlemen I just mentiined above. Too much overall ability and firepiwer to deal with. Todays trainers don’t possess the same boxing acumen that the old school trainers did. There are just a few left. Mayweather senior is one. He is the reason his son us successful today. Nacho berstein is another. Freddie roach is also up there. They are just a small handfull. Hitting the mitts constitutes TRAINIG today. The conditioning is better but the knowledge and strategies leave a bit to be desired.

Posted June 1, 2013 9:14 pm 


spartacus 65

Mayweather CAN be reached and rather easily by a fighter with above average handspeed. He can be ROCKED. An obviously geriatric shane Mosley had him. He gassed out way too quickly. Since then Mayweathers opposition has been VERY selective. He dodged a bullet , an old one at that. So he isn’t invincible. He has speed but not power. Canelo isn’t Ray leonard but he has above average hand speed. He needs to establish a frenetic pace right out of the box, like Aaron pryor or the legendary Roberto duran when he terrorized the lightweight division. Canelo is going to have to leave EVERYTHING in that ring Sept.14.Im convinced Mayweather CAN be taken. Canelo is going to have to bring more than what he is used to bringing. He has to raise his game to the,level Duran did when he beat leonard in Montreal the first time. Like Frazier did to Ali in Madison square garden the first time. Nobody goes undefeated. Nobody. Roy jones like Mayweather had his pick of who he chose to fight,who presented the least opposition and he got away with it for a good period of time . Eventually he stepped in with a live one and that chin was exposed . Yoy can only get away but for so long. On September 14th we will see if Canelo can be Frazier for at least one nighr.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:59 pm 


Q

Sorry, Spartacus. I was wrong to say that you were drunk. You’re not drunk. Goodnight.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:48 pm 


Q

spartacus 65: OH GOSH! I THINK YOU’RE SO RIGHT!!!!! to think that one of the most successful champion building trainers in boxing history and the trainers of 15+ world (and multiple division world) champions and P4Pers could not figure out what you have! DUDE!!!! YOU’VE GOTTA SPREAD THIS INFO ON HOW YOU JUST DECIPHERED FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR.!!!!! I mean I’ve never seen this written before!!!!! gtfo, you’re drunk too.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:45 pm 


yo

Every fighter that goes down in weight for catchweight fights recently has lost.

Nacho has to be smart enough to know this.

Canelo will be weakened, starved, and overtrained for this fight.- which is the point of catchweights.

Mayweather can eat all he wants, strength train, and not worry about making weight.

Canelo will have to weaken himself greatlyj therefore he loses

Posted June 1, 2013 8:41 pm 


tachyon

Only think Canelo has is 172 pounds he will bring into the ring.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:40 pm 


Q

“It would be a historic achievement for the Mexican boxing world.” – jajaja… beating a 36 year old legend you outweighed in your last fight comparison by 26 pounds is historic for Mexican boxing. He’s drunk, tell him to gtfo.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:40 pm 


Beno

Also, Canelo has a pretty decent left jab. And as Roger said during the FM-RG fight, “if you can’t hit Floyd with a jab, you can’t do nothing”. So yeah the kid’s got a decent chance. My money is on Money though.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:30 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

Wow thats a shocker a Mexican picking a Mexican? Thats a first… Who give a crap what Nacho thinks…

Posted June 1, 2013 8:28 pm 


spartacus 65

It all depends on canelos mindset and conditioning. If he is focused on this ma n 120%, trained properly tjen he can do it. Ma yweather is good but not THAT good because he hasn’t really foughr world beaters the last several years. His defense is good but only because these trainers today don’t have tje intellect or savvy that the old school trainers had. His style really isn’t that’s hard to decipher. The shoulder roll is effective against SLOW fighters. The mistake many make is going for his head. He’s ready for that. But his body is still there. It doesn’t move. Frazier and rocky marciano used to punch THROUGH guys like Mayweather cause they hit ANY and EVERYTHING. Arms,hips thighs ,liver you name it. Believe me . Thise arms WILL come down. Mayweathers win over The ghost was a bit misleading. The ghost Guerrero was scripted to make him look better than he actually is. Canelo has youth on his side. He NEEDS to set a energetic pace and force Mayweather into a fighr just to survive. Make those 36 year old legs and lungs WORK . He can do it but he must be focused on one thing. Take this guy down. Show no respect. Nobody can take heavy body and liver/ kidney shots for 12 rounds without dropping their arms. Ask Ali.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:28 pm 


Beno

It’s going to be a great fight. And yes, Canelo has a pretty decent chance of eking out a win based on his head movement and combination punching. Problem is, Mayweather will not be as stationary a target as most of Canelo’s previous victims and he is a lot more accurate with his punches. It promises to be a great fight.

Posted June 1, 2013 8:27 pm 


Ghetto Thug

This guy also said that JMM had a big chance of beating Money May and we all know what happened

Posted June 1, 2013 7:58 pm 



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