Tark, what have you ever achieved in boxing? Were you a world class boxer?Posted June 7, 2013 2:26 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
lol Fight Aficionado.. Yes, anywhere outside California constitutes as SOG travelling abroad. lolPosted June 4, 2013 10:46 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Yes, I have heard of that sites poor reputation. Hopefully they’ll keep ESB’s main page alive and all the faithful can remain posting here. One will be very surprised if that is the case though.Posted June 4, 2013 10:42 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Edit> and as you will no doubt be fully awarePosted June 4, 2013 10:39 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Lol brother Mongerel.. Thank you for your kind words.. Naturally I agree with both your glowing evaluation of my essay and your prognosis of the cataclysmic shock wave it will have sent out among the SOG collective, all 137 of them. In fact, one of my spies has already notified me that there was a minor riot in Oakland last night and my secretary has just faxed me half a dozen or so death threats she received this morning calling for my imminent end, one of which was from a very senior ranking member of the Catholic church. And I hardly think it’s a coincidence that the ESB Lounge was closed down in a matter of hours after I posted the essay or that the site seems to have entered into the initial stages of complete meltdown either. Perhaps I should spilt it up into smaller more easily digestible and palatable bite size chunks, maybe spread over the course of a week or two so that it didn’t have quite such a dramatic effect on their delicate sensibilities. However, when one is taken by the muse one simply has to strike, and as you well no doubt be fully aware, Gonzo always aims straight for the jugular too. lolPosted June 4, 2013 10:38 pm
Kelly Pavlik the ghost as well.Posted June 4, 2013 8:24 pm
Scrappy doo could beat Ward, let him at em.Posted June 4, 2013 8:23 pm
of course froch wants ward last, why lose sooner than later? stupid statement though, froch barely beat kessler…come on man!Posted June 4, 2013 9:15 am
I hope they don`t merge. B.N.2.4 is a t0iletbowl. A site that posts G1lfoid articles deserves no respect, and that is how I treat it, by wiping my chocolate starfish on it.Posted June 3, 2013 7:17 pm
Gonzo, your essay below is a tantalising display of verbal marksmanship, and sets forth a case that only those with a reptilian mind could find reason to fault.
Andre Ward , and his vociferous, but financially challenged supporters, will around this time be experiencing a tearing sensation, starting in the aorta, and spreading in straight lines through the meat and viscera both upwards towards the cranium and downwards targeted at the rectal region.
They are undergoing Gonzolysis.
Derived of course from the greek (λύσις), or lysis meaning to be biologically split asunder.Posted June 3, 2013 7:13 pm
So Vegas is not in America it’s actually a neutral site nowadays. That makes sense.Posted June 3, 2013 6:57 pm
I guess it’s over to the main page on Boxing News 24 then.Posted June 3, 2013 5:23 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Thank you MK and stevo.
MK.. Yes those injuries definitely hampered Kessler’s career big time bro.Posted June 3, 2013 4:51 pm
Good write up Gonzo. Spot on with a lot of your points there.Posted June 3, 2013 2:34 pm
I have been trying all day to post my thoughts on these two fighters, why can’t I get anything posted?Posted June 3, 2013 2:24 pm
wow`all this disrespect for the top man in this division(Andre Ward)please spare me the jokes and nonsense there’s no one better so please stop fronting fellas..yuuup!Posted June 3, 2013 2:02 pm
So Froch is saving a butt whipping as his going away fight? Interesting.Posted June 3, 2013 1:01 pm
Again I will try to put this post on this site. As I said in my previous attempt to post, this is meant mostly for Michael Collins, and also any other Froch haters reading this.Mr. Collins, I don’t think I have ever seen such a biased writer as you, I understand you do a lot of it to get people to follow your writings, but, why do you make it so obvious that you just don’t like Carl Froch, did he personally insult you? did he personally insult your family? if not, why don’t you give him credit where it’s due?Froch has earned every purse he has ever got, he’s earned it in blood, sweat and EFFORT, Is he a better fighter than Ward? on the result of the first fight, obviously not, but, anyone who knows anything about boxing knows that on any given night, any fighter who is in good condition, with reasonable skills and punching powe, can win any fight, so having said this, Froch might have a chance against Ward or anyone else, but I guess you don’t accept this. Froch throughout his career, has fought some top notch fighters, so has Ward, I refuse to insult either athlete.One thing Froch will do ,which so far Ward won’t, is leave his own doorstep for a contest, if Ward doesn’t get everything his own way, NO FIGHT. I guess as brilliant as you make him out to be, he lacks a little confidence in his own ability.The way you put it, every other super middleweioght in the world may as well not even think about fighting Ward,why? again in your opinion, they don’t have a snowball in hells chance of winning.Again, on a given night any fighter can win any fight, given the right conditions and having a little good luck on his side, Mr. Collins, be fair and honest to both fighters when passing comments. By the way, I have not just started following boxing on this site, I have been involved in boxing for 50+ years. This is just my opinion.Posted June 3, 2013 12:52 pm
Froch is not going to beat Ward.. He’ll give him a much tougher fight, and that is all he can do.. Calzaghe didn’t have the technical sophisication to deal with Ward.. Enzo Calzaghe never boxed as was a poor technical trainer.. The way he wrappe Joe’s hands on 24/7 was atrocious.. No wonder joe broke them so much.Posted June 3, 2013 12:51 pm
Kessler was humiliated by a guy with 20 fights, turned into a bitter WHINER dragging his fans like “MK” along with him… We care NOT for Mikkels nonsense he had a TON of experience on Ward and was favored to beat the GREEN fighter whos best opponent at that point might have been the ONE dimensional Edison Miranda… AGAIN post mortems on Kesslers career are VERY tired at this point… At his best he was a VERY GOOD fighter but he beat by Calzaghe convincingly then put to SHAME by Ward in a manner that made even Calzaghes win PALE in comparison…. “MK” its time to remove your SHRINE to Kessler and change your screen name… Your loyalty has NOT been rewarded Kessler’s last relevant win was a debateable one over Froch and now he was shown to be a guy who can still fight but does NOT have the legs to compete… Its funny because you were convinced he would defeat Froch NOW you are selling Froch as someone who will “destroy Ward” but when he had the chance he got taken to school and RUN out of the US terrified to return until he began contradicting himself in rapid succession “NO MORE US” “I will fight in Vegas” whats the difference between Vegas and Atlantic City? There is NONE Ward is NOT the home fighter in either spot…. blah blah blah blah….Posted June 3, 2013 12:13 pm
The amount of verbiage and convoluted NONSENSE that goes into trying to sell the 2x defeated Froch as undefeated is sheer comedy… Carl Froch did NOTHING special by fighting in the US, ALL UK boxers who want even a shot at becoming Super Stars make that move… ie Lennox Lewis, Khan, and Hatton the two most recent BIG names out of the UK… When the UK equivalent of Showtime stages a tourney by all means set the terms…. But alas this is about how BADLY Andre Ward TORE thru the SMW division and made the #2 spot which under normal circumstances would be coveted a very BITTER pill to swallow… Froch has been derided by his OWN countrymen for his OVER the top statements regarding his quality and legacy… Froch is NOT even considered an Elite fighter in his own time something that Calzaghe ultimately acheived with his win over a PRIME Kessler… Froch cannot dominate top opposition, he can pretty much nick them in tough battles where his will wins out which is laudable YET when contrasted with the way that Ward EASILY dispatched Kessler, Froch and Dawson there is NO valid comparision… Froch does NOT want to fight Ward and LOSE to Ward again he has said as much in prior interviews before his recent wins have clouded his judgement…. Froch is JUST a payday for Ward at this point NOTHING more or NOTHING less he (Andre) would be a prohibitive favorite in the contest due to sane individuals needed to look at the last fight where a YOUNGER Froch facing Ward with a cracked hand was taken to school…Kessler was an underdog during this bout and the perceptions proved to be true… Kessler still showed on MORE than one occasion that Froch can be hurt and is still available to be hit…. Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Nottigham or Germany Andre Ward is a WAYYYYY better fighter than Froch who would rather fight a diminished Kessler again rather than avenge his loss… Its SMART business but it shows CLEARLY that Kessler’s “Blue Collar style” is HOPELESS against the slicker, faster, younger and more talented ELITE talents of #2 P4P fighter Andre Ward…..Posted June 3, 2013 12:07 pm
This Post is meant to be mainly for Michael Collins, and I suppose for any other Froch haters reading it. Mr. Collins, I don’t know how long you have been writing about boxing or following the sport,but, I have never seen a writer so opposed to a fighter as you are to Froch,why? has he personally insulted you, has he insulted your family? Mr Collins, whether we like Froch or not, he has EARNED every purse he has gotten, he has paid for it with blood, sweat and effort, is he as good a boxer as Ward? on the first fight result, the answer is no, a second fight we don’t know, but let’s face the truth, Ward always has everything in his favor, or, he won’t fight,for such a so called brilliant boxer, I guess he lacks a little confidence in his own ability.That being said, don’t belittle yourself and the writing profession by just trying to get reader interest in your column by insulting a genuine, top class athlete, Froch has fought some good fighters in his career, and so has Ward, why insult Froch and not Ward. If people listen to just your biased point of view, there is no sense in Ward fighting again, he’s just to good for anyone in the world, wake up and be honest, on any given night any boxer with reasonable talent and luck on their side can win any fight. By the way, I didn’t just start watching boxing, I have been involved in the sport for 50+ years.Posted June 3, 2013 11:43 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn: I just couldn’t agree with you more, a lot of funny moments in your comments too, to paint a clear picture, of the Smw division, and the latest history, including the highly regarded Ward.
I just want to say that even though I do think that Kessler is past his prime now, sadly, I hate the criminal way that Ward injured him with headbutts. It didn’t help Kesslers career after that.
Everything you wrote, is based on fact, believe me I know.Posted June 3, 2013 11:01 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Agreed. Thing is, believe it or not, that post could’ve been even longer. lol. I could’ve addressed him calling fighters who”ve been retired almost half a decade, former coke addicts who’ve been Livin’ La Vida Loca and haven’t even been sparring or hitting the bags throughout that time either. His reason for calling him out? Because he didn’t like the fact that he felt he would’ve beaten him when posed the question during an interview. But as someone pointed out the other day, Ward was actually the one who said he felt he would’ve beaten him first. HYPOCRISY + 1000 LOLPosted June 3, 2013 10:52 am
There’s no argument abt how good ward is. There is however an argument about how much one really can’t wait to watch him fight. I can wait.Posted June 3, 2013 9:41 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
And just FTR, I think Ward is a very talented fighter, speaks well and is very intelligent, and unlike most on here, I watched ALL of his Olympic fights live and noted him as one to look out for back then. It’s all the other stuff I’ve outlined in my post, all very valid criticisms, that gets me. And believe it or not .. and I know you’re not going to.. for a brief second the other day (after listening to Froch’s head swell to the size of a small planet) the thought of Ward beating him again gave me a little warm fuzzy feeling inside. It was only very fleeting though and I immediately felt utterly disgusted with myself afterwards. lolPosted June 3, 2013 8:57 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Excuse the typos too.Posted June 3, 2013 8:43 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Start at the bottom folks. It’s a long read but it’s well worth it. And The scariest thing about it is that, sans some opinion, the VAST majority of it is actually all true. lolPosted June 3, 2013 8:38 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Oh I forget Mr. Bernard Hopkins is one of my idols and mentors and someone who’s tought me a lot over the years and who’s vast array of the use of illegal tactics I have clearly incorporated into my style, is ”not a dirty fighter” lol. Funny how he claimed those buts weren’t intentional, his line of defence being the pathetic ”I would’n’t know how butt someone without getting cut myself” lol. Er, yes you would.. it’s bloody easy! You just use, as you did, and as your ”mentor” Hopkins always does, the top of your grizzled dome aka the hardest part of the head. I must say I did find it strange when he admitted he deliberately butted Sakio Bika aka ”I’ve only seen 14 minutes of action in three years” when you cherrypicked me. And yet worse is still to come.. he even had the gall after beating Bika to whine and cry and about Bika’s use of the head and elbows, sitting in his dressing room feeling sorrow for himself cpmplaing to the sycophants gathered around him that ”All these cuts were caused by illegal buts and elbows. All of them”. lol
Where’s that Billy Goat video and the gif of him trying to slice Froch’s eye to ribbons with one of the most blatant elbows you’ll ever see in you life? lol
And if ”devout Christian” Virgil Hunter is so worried about fair play and everybody having a ”fair shake” then why the hell is he constantly trying to unsettle his boy’s opponents with all those mind games and underhand and unsporting and very unChristian tactics and dirty little psychological warfare tricks he insists on playing all the time? Like going into opponent’s dressing rooms and jinxing them with ”voodoo”, accusing them of in effect being Uncle Toms and trying to disrupt and unsettle them literally minutes before they’re about to make their rink walk by maliciously accusing them of taking illegal PEDs even though his boy is the one who has been working with the world’s most notorious supplier of illegal PEDs in sport’s history, something they came out on record and said he was no longer doing even though that later was found out to be a lie?
Not to mention all the dirty tricks both he and members of Ward’s team used to try and unsettle Kessler and gain even more advantages though the use of underhand tactics, both before and during the Kessler fight itself, including sending a spy over to Kessler’s camp to spar him. Hunter was even caught red-handed lying through your teeth about something Kessler had accused him of doing, which Hunter steadfastly denied, accusing Kessler of making up it up. Virgil seemed to you forget the cameras had been rolling at the time. lol. Or perhaps he was too caught up in his voodoo to notice? lol. What’s the matter Virgil wasn’t everything already stacked heavily enough in your boy’s favour as it was?Posted June 3, 2013 8:36 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
And last but by no means least
3. Because both he and his trainer are worried about not getting ”a fair shake” from the referee and the judges, something that worm-faced bigot and fellow devout unChristian and devout whinny little hypocrite Hunter is on record as saying, and something I have heard with thine own ears. Hunter feels his charge won’t get a ”fair shake” because poor little Andre is African-American and African Americans have a history of getting stitched up when they take to the road. lol.
Stitched up like they stitched him up in the Athens’ Olympic games? If they wanted to stitch him up they would’ve deducted multiple points of his tally in his semi-final match up against Utkirbek Haydarov which Ward won by 2 points after spending the vast majority of the final round holding onto the Uzbek like a lonely old lady, preventing Haydarov from throwing and landing any punches and scoring points which he was desperately trying to do.
And what were the those scorecards for the Bika fight again? lol
And why was Kessler’s face a mask of his own blood despite him never having suffered a single cut in any of his previous 40 or so fights? Kessler’s eyes looked like a psychopath had been hacking away at them with a machete, causing injuries that very nearly put an end to his career. Class act Mikkel is one of the nicest guys in the sport and a proud fearless warrior and he never would’ve dreamed of doing something like that to one of his opponents in a million years
How many illegal clinches was Ward allowed to get away with by his own personal referee in that fight too? Wasn’t it like 88 or some ridiculous number?
How much excessive holding and use of illegal tactics is he get away with in other fights by his refs?Posted June 3, 2013 8:35 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
2. Because, unlike every single other top fighter in the division, he’s fundamentally and utterly opposed to the notion of fighting on a level playing field and doesn’t want to have to put himself at the GREAT disadvantage of having to contend with any of the numerous disadvantageous adverse factors that away fighters have to contend with when they take to the road, factors which, as every statistic in the book will attest to, can and does often combine to mean the difference between winning and losing. Ward had 4 of his 5 fights in the Super Six in his home state of California for Christ’s sake (lol), whereas the other finalist (Froch) had to take to the road for 4 of his 5. ROFL. I think Ward thinks flying over to Atlantic City, which is obviously unbeknownst to us dumb Europeans, is actually a completely different country to the USA, constitutes him crossing the Atlantic lol.
And if taking to the road for 4 or his 5 fights wasn’t difficult and draining enough for Froch, whilst Ward barely stepped outside the comfort of his living room and all its gaudy decor and ornamentation, he also had by far the tougher route to the finals too, both within and during and in the lead up to the tournament. He’d been involved in a brace of extremely energy sapping and gruelling career shortening Battle Royals against Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor during the preceding 12 months before the start of the Super Six (the later of whom he’d already flown over to the US to ”prove himself” to the American market against lol) and he absorbed a frightful amount of punishment and damage in both of them, whereas in complete contrast Ward had been mixing it up with Shelby Pudwells of the world and was as fresh as a daisy. lolPosted June 3, 2013 8:35 am
“Froch barely beat a past his best Kessler” hahaha… I would like to encourage the author of this article to stop smoking crack, it’s clearly jading your sense and judgement. Froch/Kessler 2 was one of Froch’s greatest performances, not only for his skills, but for his avenge of one of only 2 losses. I agree that Ward would beat Froch again, but to say Froch is scared is absolutely ridiculous. There are few champions as brave as Froch, he’s never scared to jump out of his comfort zone and battle with the best of the best in his division, unlike a lot of other champions out there. Froch is a true warrior and this article is unecessarily disrespectful of a great fighter who’s just come off of one of his best performances against one of the greates P4P champions, another true and brave warrior in Kessler.Posted June 3, 2013 7:55 am
Saying 250 Wlad can beat 147 pound Mayweather is just desperation personified!! Wlads problem is that we have seen him
You guys need to stop living in a fantasy world that Carl Froch is some sort of MASSIVE draw…. He’s NOT, Ward is currently not either but Ward has a lot going for him that Froch doesnt… #1 He is the BEST 168 pounder in the world, #2 He was seen easily defeating Carl Froch #3 He is only 29 years old coming off one of his best and most exciting wins #HBO has him announcing a number of fights building his profile and supporting his career… #4 He’s a MUCH better fighter than Froch who’s a committed Blue Collar banger who seems semi allergic to boxers, Ward has defeated ALL styles…#5 Ward fights on boxings biggest stage, that’s why Froch is discussing a bout in Vegas now, times on Andre’s side and Froch
Let’s face it ward likely beats froch anywhere anytime. Likely. Froch is improving, as is ward it must be said. We deserve to see them fight again being the two best in their class. Froch is a rudimentary fighter with good chin, good fearless attitude, good appetite, good resume. I can’t criticize him at all, except that he is not an elite fighter which is not his fault just what he has been given. He is getting the most out of himself which I admire. And I’m neither British nor american. Ward on the other hand has huge skill set but lacks magnetism in the ring. He is very very very good, second only to may weather in p4p calculations. However if I was on an island alone and given a DVD of either froch or ward to watch to while away the loniless , I’d be watching froch. Ditto if the choice was PAC or may. Ill watch entertainers and exciting fighters over less exciting ones, irrespective of talent. And when the talent and excitement is together in one package, that gets me excited. Very few of those. Rare breed. The last one that had me really frothing at the mouth in anticipation was hearns. The hitman. Can’t recall a boring fight from him. Faced off everyone.Posted June 3, 2013 6:06 am
Why aren`t US fans putting $$$ in Wards pocket?
You expect Froch to put some hard currency in Wards pocket yet you won`t do so yourselves.
This is Wards harvest for having a spoiling style, refusing to fight outside the US and offering no KO threat. He simply has no bait, so he is going to have to shiver on the shore and wait.Posted June 2, 2013 11:17 pm
Only if none of his toes are injuredPosted June 2, 2013 9:12 pm
Haye would beat everyone, now or whenever.Posted June 2, 2013 9:02 pm
If Floyd and Wlad where same weight class Floyd would dispatch of Wlad with easePosted June 2, 2013 8:48 pm
“Joe C was the GOAT!”..hahahahahahaha…that was funny.Posted June 2, 2013 7:44 pm
This writer seems obsessed with belittling anything British, to the exclusion of any other nationality…. Are you Abu Qatada in disguise?!Posted June 2, 2013 6:22 pm
No headbutting.Posted June 2, 2013 6:19 pm
No 3 knockdown rule.Posted June 2, 2013 6:13 pm
Majority draw, unanimous draw, no contest, fight stopped before 4th round, standing 8 count, 10 point must system.Posted June 2, 2013 6:02 pm
James, lol, you do have to learn about unanimous decisions, I think you are getting confused with majority decisions, split decisions etc, it does take some learning, I agree.Posted June 2, 2013 5:54 pm
Oh yeah…..after all the crap he spewed about Ward after the MK fight…..he is DUCKING him. What a “warrior!” Froch fans. A warrior would fight him NEXT.Posted June 2, 2013 5:31 pm
James……go learn what unanimous decision means. 115/113 Ward means the judge said he won….just like the other two…unanimously. And EVERYONE and their blind relatives know it wasn’t even near that close. It was to set up a rematch. Any Froch fan with any boxing knowledge knows he cant beat Ward. That isn’t to say you don’t TRY. These new ” boxing fans” leaving completely boxing ignorant posts are showing us the future. Bleak …….Posted June 2, 2013 5:18 pm
Is this Writer Wards personal arse wiper LOL, ‘Froch barely beat a past it Kessler’, He clearly won the fight, as the judges recognised, and Kessler wasnt past it at all, Then we have him stating it was a 12 round unanimous for Ward despite 2 judges having it 115-113, There is no dispute Ward won the fight but the writers idea it was unanimous is laughable as is his views.Posted June 2, 2013 5:10 pm
How bout Froch vs Martinez??Posted June 2, 2013 5:01 pm
I don’t care for ward or Froch much but I have to say to things that are not bias or opinion but rather facts. 1.) Froch can in no way shape or form beat Ward. Not even on Wards worst and Frochs best. 2.) Froch is nowhere near the level of fighter or exciting to watch like Joe Calzaghe was. Calzaghe would have made Froch look stupid. He was too fast, too aggressive and too confident not to mention he has so many different looks he brings to the ring(in terms of styles and game plans). Calzaghe would get floored and get up and knock someone cold within 10 seconds of getting up. If the style he starts the fight with doesn’t work in round one, round 2 he will come out with something different till it works. IMO, Joe C. IS The GOAT! Everything he done was like a true Champion. I’m from the US, so no country pride bias. Froch would get outpointed from joe being a faster, more mobile, accurate fighter or Froch would get in a slugfest inside with Calzaghe and get dropped. Froch should never say he’s the best of the UK and not credit an Undefeated, entertaining, well accomplished retired champion like Joe. For the record, Froch should have 3 losses but they robbed Dirrell as Froch got some home cookin’ in the UK.Posted June 2, 2013 4:40 pm
I still can’t decide who Froch’s best win is because, every fighter he has beat, was either past it, or a complete hype job. I think it might be Kessler, but he was so far over the hill, it realy doesn’t impress me that much.Posted June 2, 2013 4:39 pm
It will be British fans watching a British fighter get defeated… God Bless themPosted June 2, 2013 4:18 pm
stuck in a moment
A fight in Vegas will be all Brit fans. As great as ward is this is America and ward is not popular outside his home cityPosted June 2, 2013 4:16 pm
Froch is smart. He is confident, as he should be, that he can beat every super middleweight out there who is not named Andre Ward. Keep fighting those guys, keep winning and the money rolling in, then when he wants to hang up the gloves for good, with his winning streak, he’ll be able to dial-up Ward for one last super bout — to close out his career and ride off with a final bundle of big cash.Posted June 2, 2013 4:00 pm
Yet another biased froch hating post by Michael Collins. Seriously ESB is scraping the very bottom of the barrel having contributors like him. I quote: “put (sic) to me that just comes across like a fighter that is afraid to get beaten again” Really? You are a disgrace to boxing commentary if you truly believe that. Boxing is show business, it is about money. If you have not realized that then you have no business commenting. Secondly even if ‘fear’ came into it. Carl Froch is so afraid of getting beaten he fights everyone put in front of him, doesn’t really add up does it. Moron.Posted June 2, 2013 3:54 pm
That fights taken VERY seriously no one pities an experienced fighter
I agree to a certain extend box fair. The job Calzaghe did on Kessler was far cleanerPosted June 2, 2013 3:46 pm
Ward used dirty tactics against Kessler, Kessler was cut to ribbons by Wards headbutts, that fight is not really taken seriously.Posted June 2, 2013 3:27 pm
TarK, code word for defeated I’m pretty sure you know I know the result of the bout…Posted June 2, 2013 2:55 pm
People are quick to forget that Joe had to put up with Sven Ottke ruining the super middle division for a long period. Brewer and Mitchell should have been unification fights and Reid also blatantly beat Ottke and would have brought a title back for a unification rematch. Also Joe never once looked even close to loosing. Whilst you have to give froch credit his wins against Taylor and dirrell have to question his greatness as against Taylor he got battered until Taylor gassed out and against dirrell he won by default due to dirrell refusing to engage. Looking at Abrahams and glen Johnson’s recent results you have to be careful how much credit you give froch for those fights.Posted June 2, 2013 2:39 pm
Sred sez of Ward.., “Froch, Kessler and Dawson all taken out with EASE”
Ward took Froch out??? I guess I missed that action. What round was that?Posted June 2, 2013 2:30 pm
Froch lost an EASY unanimous decision to Ward and he is being mocked OPENLY by guys like Calzaghe and Frank Warren (his countrymen) for his over the top statements about his legacy… He is 1-1 with Kessler and was still sporting that leaky defense that had him buzzed on 3 occasions… Froch came into the bout as the favorite in part due to the perception that Kessler lost a step and had the best taken from him by Calzaghe and Ward who blew him out as an underdog… Ward does NOT need Froch, because he ALREADY has his scalp on the mantle… Frochnis the guy who’s projecting future fights and making noise fact remains that Ward beat a BETTER version of Kessler and had an EASY night with Froch who is a VERY good #2 SMW but he’s NOT an elite talent and Andre Ward is which he proves head to head that’s why Froch is backtracking and postponing… Hearn probably told him Wards the end of your career at the top unless you want to lose and start recycling Bute again…Posted June 2, 2013 2:16 pm
A Ward Froch fight at this time is only big if it is in England. Also I felt at the interview after the second fight, Froch seemed to have trouble answering the question if he wanted a third fight with Kessler, or a rematch with Ward. For me it would have been a no brainer to say he wants a rematch with Ward, but you could see the discouragement he felt after the first Ward fight.Posted June 2, 2013 2:14 pm
If money calls the shots than frochs calling the shots. He brings the money. Ward still has to be favorred in england regardless of the ref. If they fight it should definetly be at frochs house for all these reasons. Ward has the odds but is a froch win possible? Yeah, I think its possible. Ward got his jaw jacked, hurt, and mouthpiece popped out in round 12 against froch so froch can hurt him.Posted June 2, 2013 1:36 pm
A Calzaghe/Froch fight would generate a decent amount of money, but Joe already has millions anyway. Would a win over Froch enhance Joe’s resume? …not really. Ward has already schooled him, and even a faded Kessler was able to beat him. Wins over a 2007 Kessler and a 2008 Hopkins are more impressive than handing the Cobra his 3rd loss. After all the media attention had died down, the reality would be, Froch would just be another good name on Calzaghe’s record, IMO, on a par with the likes of Woodhall, Mitchell, Eubank and Lacy. And not up there with Hopkins and Kessler. Joe should stay retired, there’s always a new gun coming through.Posted June 2, 2013 12:57 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Ward always looks like a Pelosi in the headlights…Posted June 2, 2013 12:15 pm
Popkins not a trick due to the tournament Froch has fought higher caliber opponents than Joe in there prime and in the USA. I think Froch would beat Joe in a close fight. Hell if I were Joe and wanted a Titanic size payday. I would come out of retirement and fight Froch after Ward. It would be the largest grossing fight in EU history both men retire after that..Posted June 2, 2013 11:57 am
I guess that’s the kind of trickery and reward you can get if you fight for SKY in the UK.Posted June 2, 2013 11:44 am
Fair play to Froch’s promotional team – they’ve done a fantastic job in managing to dupe the public into thinking that Froch has beaten a higher number of top class fighters than Calzaghe did.Posted June 2, 2013 11:43 am
Yep, good idea. Save the the ass whuping by Ward for the last fight. Plenty of options before then…I’d Hopkins, Cleverly and/or Kessler before then would be interesting match ups. Bika wud be a brawl. I agree with Hearns, in thatGroves needs another 12 months.Posted June 2, 2013 11:39 am
I agree Ward will send Froch into retirement with a big Payday. Give Froch credit the man is a true champion if your ready to retire go out with a bang. Froch gets all the credit for taking on far superior competition to Joe Cal and I’m not sure Joe could beat Froch.Posted June 2, 2013 11:38 am
smart movePosted June 2, 2013 11:21 am
The fact that Froch wants to fight Ward last indicates that he knows he probably can’t beat Ward and does not want to lose his titles cause then Ward would own them all and he wouldn’t be able to get them back. Also says he has know intention of being the Campion at 168. At least he knows what it is. Froch is still damn goodPosted June 2, 2013 11:13 am
Froch saying he will fight in Vegas COMPLETELY debunks his incessant whining about Atlantic City which is also in the US and NOT Wards hometown… If he feels that US soils drains him of his abilities then why dangle a fight in
Froch talks some bull but he ain’t quite that stupid to take Ward straight away lol. Also this writer states froch is WBA champ, he’s not Ward is. Froch is just a way for the WBA to bleed more money out of boxing by letting him hold the ‘regular’ version of the alphabet title. The reality is that Ward is the champ in the division. Reich should remember that when he’s talking down Calzaghe who held every version and like Ward was universally recognized as the champ (undefeated one at that as well). If Froch has any sense he will see out his career cashing in on his current situation as number two, state that he won’t fight Ward unless he fights in the UK (good excuse), then just keep blasting out other super middles.Posted June 2, 2013 11:06 am
Ward can travel but it doesn’t have to be for this fight. He’s plenty young to get travel fights on his CV.
Vegas though that’s an experience neither can say no to. Unlikely to ever come around for Froch again.Posted June 2, 2013 10:07 am
ONLY advantage Ward has are his skills, he’s not a huge puncher and he and Froch did not have any issues EXCEPT Ward beating him to the punch…Posted June 2, 2013 10:04 am
WArd has to have everything in his favour, home advantage, refs who let him rush in with his nut, then grab , ward should stop being a sissy and fight away.Posted June 2, 2013 9:41 am
“Let’s do it in Vegas but in 2 or 3 bouts” that’s an eternity in boxing… Froch could go ahead and follow this course of action but his BOLD statements regarding Ward and Calzaghe put him in the crosshairs and beg the question why not Ward now? Either that or stop obsessing and making excuses about a guy who dominated you?? Can’t have it BOTH ways Froch…Posted June 2, 2013 9:33 am
“Froch is not himself at home” LMAO! MK has become increasingly dishonest! You were betting that Froch was gonna lose to Kessler and had predicted Mikkel would win 9 out of 10 times.. Now that Kesslers pretty much in the scrap heap your tune is changing… British fans are a FUN raucous bunch with their singing and spirt, it was entertaining watching them trying to come up with a more appropriate song After Mayweather started beating the hell out of Hatton and knocked him out in front of his family… It’s clear to all honest observers that Carl Froch does NOT really want to fight Ward again, he wants to talk about facing Ward again to pump up his stock and give the perception that he’s somehow the man at 168… Carl’s aching to do another fight with Kessler that will provide low risk and high return… He beat Kessler this time out but his defense is leaky and he’s wide open for Wards fast hands ad superior skill… Froch is a tough fighter but against Ward he looks like domestic level competiton and time is BOT Carls friend…Posted June 2, 2013 9:29 am
No I still like a Froch vs Ward fight in England, so little Richard (sorry Andre) gets a travelling experience, on his dodgy doping resume.
The hometown boy always wins, in the Smw division, and Froch is an animal at home, in England, and his fans hate Ward with a vengeance, Froch will of course turn a second Ward fight into a total war, and no one comes away from a Froch fight without big scars.
Ward would have a chance of proving himself, with a referee that don’t tolerate huge amounts of holding, can he take a heavy punch, his Boone knock down says no.
By the way Ward has no other money fights back, at Smw, Lhw who gives a …. So there you have it. Let’s get Ward to England, Froch is not himself, away from home. Let’s not forget that Ward has never met an opponent on equal terms.Posted June 2, 2013 9:13 am
Froch has earned the right to cash in, he has paid his dues in the ring and can bank a bit of money now, it’s nice to see a fighter making sensible decisions on his own terms.
how about a Froch vs. Chavez jr. bout? that could be interesting. don’t know where the fight would take place though.Posted June 2, 2013 8:15 am
Uk Fight Fan
Was there also for Hatton fights. Vegas will get taken over by Brits if this fight happens. It’s awesome. I can see the weight in now – flgas everywhere and fans singing – only one Carl Froch…..Posted June 2, 2013 7:40 am
Benn.Posted June 2, 2013 6:53 am
Cmon Joe Calzaghe, get back on them early morning runs get yaself in shape , and come back and blast this fool……
Uk Fight Fan
Credit to Froch for saying lets do it in Vegas.
I’m there! Give me the date and I’m booking my flight! Froch will bring thousands of his fans. Went for some Hatton fights, Froch will love the build up and Vegas a great trip for fans really hoping this happens now.
Froch is a warrior and I knew he’d take this fight.
Think he’ll take the Cleverly fight too and at a catchweight coz Froch isn’t the kind to look to win a fight by default. I agree with the guy that says 170 or 171 is quite fair.
War FrochPosted June 2, 2013 6:51 am
SREDMOND…I agree with what you said…except I belive Froch is 2-0 against Kessler…I belived Froch just pulled out the win in the first fight.Posted June 2, 2013 6:33 am
Froch is getting older and a few tough fights more is not going to help.If he has any chance beating Ward(which I dont think so)it would be now,while hes running hot.Ward would be the fresher fighter down the road,he takes less puinshment.Really cant see Froch beating Ward no matter what really,but I do like Froch a all around tough guy and warrior…good-luck to him no matter what he does.Posted June 2, 2013 6:30 am
Froch is a very good “Blue Collar Fighter” but let’s stop acting like he destroyed Kessler last bout because he DIDNT, and he underscores that reality because he IMMEDIATELY discussed a 3rd fight… He’s only 1-1 with Kessler who hurt him on more than
MK , you TOTALLY paint yourself the hypocrite we all know your a bitter bitter man… You say “anything can happen in high level boxing” meanwhile you have been screaming that “Carl Froch would destroy Ward” meanwhile we already saw them fight and who got embarrassed And taken to school? No experts give Froch much of a shot against Ward and Calzaghe derided and aligned himself with Virgi Hunter in stating that “Froch is not in Wards class”…. You’re the SAME fool that was saying stiff legged Kessler was gonna defeat or stop Froch NOW you Are changing your tune… Have you NOT discussed Kessler not being the fighter he was?? It matters not because we have a VERY excellent result in Ward already proving Frochnis inferior to him in a BIG way.. Fact is you’re VERY angry and torn up that Ward beat the hell out of your namesake (Kessler) when he only had 20 fights to his name…It’s all good because Froch is a broken lackey who is on record trying to delay the inevitable loss and probable KO that’s gonna ensue if he gets his relatively crude skillset in the ring with a REAL elite fighter.. Froch needed a miracle to beat a scrub like Jermaine Taylor…Beat Ward??! HAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAH!!Posted June 2, 2013 6:10 am
King of the Jungle Baby
I’d personally iike to see a Cleverly fight.
Not at SMW or LHW though, unfair on both guys.
Seen as Cleverly is the one who wants it a catchweight of 170/170.5 would be fairer and give much more credibility to Froch if he wins over 168. Still a lot of weight for Cleverly to lose but extra 2, 2 1/2 pounds less makes it like I say a fair more credibile fight.Posted June 2, 2013 6:06 am
It’s a risky call from Froch to leave it 1 or 2 fights further down.
He’s not getting any younger or quicker and he’s not the kind to avoid taking big shots whoever he fights.
Still credit where credits due if he does face Ward. Lots of fans have been saying he won’t so this is encouraging that he still wants to fight the best and cement his legacy instead of settling for 2nd best.
Vegas would be fantastic and with the Brits travelling the atmosphere would be great and more like a home fight for Froch in that respect.Posted June 2, 2013 6:02 am
line’um up and get paid . . . smart business man. at the end of the day, it is what is left in his pocket and what he smartly invested. It is up to Froch to get the wins as he lines them up and if he wins, he maintains interest in a Ward fight. Hope Froch gets all his wins to eventually finish with a Ward fight.Posted June 2, 2013 5:38 am
Don’t know why anybody has a problem with this article,on the whole it’s right no one is saying anything derogatory about Carl, (I personally think he’s turnd in to a bit of a braggart,if he did say he’s the best Brit ever)Truth is,Ward would beat Froch every-time, he’s much the better boxer ward is an exelent fighter so there’s no shame in that is there?.there’d be much more intrest in the UK in a fight with DeGale,Groves or Clev than in the likes of Stieglitz or that clown Bute again.Posted June 2, 2013 4:54 am
Olu G. Rotimi: You are right about how Ward fought the last time, but I was ridiculing someone elses point -that Ward would just dance around Froch, in a second fight. One other thing, so being wrong about a fight (Kessler losing) means that …. what …. mature?
You don’t think that it is idiotic to hear people, luckily being right about a fight, praising themselves, knowing that anything can happen, in high level boxing? You don’t find that unbelieavable childish? Well you better believe that I do.
I just hate racism, it’s 2013. (Sredmond and TARK dedicated to you:)Posted June 2, 2013 4:46 am
Ward is the most boring fighter in the history of boxing second to Hopkins.Posted June 2, 2013 4:40 am
Ward is the most boring fighter in the history of boxing second to Hopkins. Please Froch fight anyone else. Pick even Butterbean anything but WardPosted June 2, 2013 4:36 am
Awful article as usual. Please stop attempting to ‘write’/troll.Posted June 2, 2013 4:20 am
Froch wants to fight Ward… He doesn’t want to fight him next because he doesn’t want his ass kicked again so soon.. He’ll fight a huge domestic fight against Cleverly or Groves…most likely Groves, and then maybe Cleverly and Hopkihns.. Then he’ll fight Ward and take another butt whipping to end his career.. Right after the Ward fight he said nobody would ever beat Ward and he didn’t want to fight him again.Posted June 2, 2013 2:52 am
Froch has no need to fight ward. Let ward make peanuts fighting someone else. In fact make ward go to light heavy were soon the best might be kovalev. thank god kovalev has an eliminator for hopkins title. hopkins needs dealt with and kovalev is the guy to bust that melon.Posted June 2, 2013 2:35 am
In not sure about the theme or nature of the article but I am sure that Froch will lose again to Ward. He’s not fast enough and doesn’t have defense necessary. He’s gonna get tore up and lose by UD or worse. Word is the best in the division.Posted June 2, 2013 2:31 am
Head Butts and Holds
More lies and false propaganda by the author. He doesn’t want to make Ward his last fight but realises because Ward is always injured (nudge nudge wink wink) meaning afraid to travel, then Froch will give away home advantage again but only for a blockbuster. So now Kessler is past his best, yet you were picking Kessler to win, nay, KO Froch only 2 weeks ago. It’s a simple run home and large paydays for Froch. Beat up, again, Bute/Pascal winner in Canada. KO future HOF Hopkins. At any time in between take out Groves for a Battle of Britain fight. Then the big one against Ward as a headliner in Vegas. You see, Ward couldn’t headline a fight in an Oakland church hall, he needs Froch because no one cares about him.Posted June 2, 2013 1:21 am
It’s pretty clear that Froch is gonna maximize his earnings before booking ANOTHER loss to Ward…. He also gets to blame this second loss on “getting long in the tooth” Why would Froch want Bute and Kessler AGAIN?? Except that while his sticks high he can cash in… Kessler would have to take LESS for a 3rd fight, just as Bute would for a second fight… Economically it makes sense but these are tired, recycled matchups wher Froch is only gonna accumulate MORE mileage… He KNOWS full well he stands VERY little chance of beating Ward and he might as well stave off that GRIM reality as long as possible..Posted June 2, 2013 1:19 am
Olu G. Rotimi
Last time they fought Ward beat Froch on the inside. He did not move around him rather went into the pocket and outclassed with superior hand speed and combination punching.Posted June 2, 2013 12:51 am
Froch isn’t getting younger though, I agree with the people who think that he has to pick the order of opponents carefully. I understand that Ward is a technically better fighter than Froch, most boxers are, but I don’t think that Froch will allow Ward to dance circles around him the next time.
The winner of Froch vs Ward, depends on who will be the hometown boy. None of the good fighters in Smw, seem to be able to win away from home. Froch is especially good at home, but not so much away from home. Until now that is. Froch vs Ward, in England, with a fired up Froch, will be too much for Ward to handle, since he can’t hurt a fly himself.
I see no reason for a third Kessler fight, Kessler is over the hill, but still a great boxer. This leaves old Ward (Hopkins) and young Ward (Ward) Bute and Pascal are also over the hill, and afraid of Froch, Groves is too green, to fight Froch.
A warm up fight doesn’t seem to trigger the Smw audience anymore, Stieglitz, give me a break, right.
So, a not so young Froch, have Hopkins and Ward back, why not start with the elderly gentleman (not) in England:)Posted June 2, 2013 12:30 am
Ward is class. Froch is an assPosted June 2, 2013 12:14 am
The Irish American (Ward) fighter is going to box circles around the Brit, again, and make him look like an uncoordinated amateurPosted June 1, 2013 11:44 pm
ward is a notch above froch. A fight in England would be good. No way ward would leave the USA.Posted June 1, 2013 10:51 pm
That seems a wise decisionPosted June 1, 2013 10:43 pm
Golovkin vs Froch for Christmas!Posted June 1, 2013 10:36 pm
american crowds are crap. would draw no fans there. uk or nothing.Posted June 1, 2013 10:18 pm
Froch has earned the right to call the shots. Ward is in my opinion the top fighter out there today. Bar nine. Froch has stayed busy,won consistently thus keeping his name out there. He has also fought good fights and taken the risks. Saving Ward for last is a smart move and regardless of what this writer thinks Froch is not as vulnerable as he puts out. Froch figures a few more paydays and then the big finalr with Ward win or lose. He cleans up financially. Smat move. Ward IS the better fighter. No discrepancy there. Let it simmer and build up just a bit. Both men are a credit to the sport.Posted June 1, 2013 9:56 pm
Ward will get rusty while Froch is staying busy, never a good thing.Posted June 1, 2013 9:45 pm
Get in line Ward for a payday, Froch is the draw, he calls the shots.Posted June 1, 2013 9:17 pm
I agree. If they fought ten times, Ward would win ten times. Nothing against Froch, it’s just that Ward is the better fighter. That’s it.Posted June 1, 2013 8:56 pm