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Daly jr

Warren has something like 150 fighters in his stable, alot of talent, and a few world champs, And he also has partnerships with saurland and golden boy. Matchroom have Froch and the over rated Kell Brook. Froch is hearns money pit, but at 35, that money pit will soon empty. There is no way match room can compete with Warren. Also Warren has Frank Maloney in his pocket now too. Hennessy has furys dingaling in one hand, and eubank jrs in the other, with channel 5s up his back passage. Matchroom have put all they have in Froch, knowing that he will make them big bucks from fighting bute twice, kessler, and mack. If he was to jump ship the Hearn dream would be over. Hearn is living on borrowed time

Posted September 8, 2012 3:44 am 


HHLondon

Since Warren made the fight with Uzelkov, Frank Warren has thrown ever name out there trying to garnish publicity for Cleverly off the back of Tony Bellew, Bernard Hopkins and now Carl Froch.

Warren is getting so desperate in his protection of Cleverly that it’s embarrassing and Cleverly must feel like a real chump being tied to Frank Warren’s WBO apron strings!

Frank Warren is losing his grip and Matchroom are the new Guvnor’s of British of boxing and promotion!

Posted September 7, 2012 7:45 pm 


The Kingslayer

Demolished ??? Erm Ward certainly outclassed and outboxed Carl but I would not say he demolished him at all, Froch left the ring in pretty good shape.

Posted September 7, 2012 12:21 pm 


Mix

Yes Ward was fantastic on the night, but after Dawson who’s he gonna fight & 168LB? Groves & Oosthuizen won’t be ready for 18 months. Ward/Froch would sell well in the UK!

Posted September 7, 2012 11:03 am 


Daly jr

And i wouldnt use the word ‘demolished’

Posted September 7, 2012 11:03 am 


Daly jr

Who said he would????

Posted September 7, 2012 11:02 am 


whiteman n denial ali was truly the greatest

no way carl beats ward ward demolished him in he first fight

Posted September 7, 2012 11:00 am 


Mix

Froch is 2nd top dog @ 168LB (Ward #1). However I’m looking forward to George Groves & Thomas Oosthuizen crossing swords sometime. It would make a fantastic Commonwealth S/M title fight.

Posted September 7, 2012 10:00 am 


theyiddo

Wow….if Frank Warren says something, then it must be true. :roll:

Posted September 7, 2012 9:47 am 


Obicoke

When Froch is ready (ie after he’s had his rematch with Kessler and possibly Bute/Ward) he may think about going up. But he doesn’t need to at the moment, there’s more good fights at Super Middleweight at this moment on time.

Posted September 7, 2012 9:11 am 


Obicoke

Prof ….. Hearn’s the manager of Froch. I think you meant Warren is delusional.

Posted September 7, 2012 9:08 am 


Daly jr

Why isnt cleverly chaseing shumenov, dawson, pascal, campillo, Grachev? All top fighters, and all light heavies. Theres noway hes struggling to get fights, he has plenty flaws, limited power, and hes a poster boy. Everyone in the division must be licking there chops for the chance to rip his title from him. The more i think about it, the more i think this has been made up as a publicity stunt. Clev never realy won the wbo title, he was given it. Brahmer didnt turn up, so they put him in with a patsy as a formality. His last oponent was TOMMY CARPENCEY !!!!!!!!! There is no way in hell he actualy wants to fight Carl Froch. PS, ESB…….. im copying all of my posts from now on just incase you delete them like you keep doing, and il just paste them and alter a few things! :mrgreen: Have you not noticed how you used to get hundreds of posts on some articles, and now you only get 80 MAX?!?!?! Its because you keep deleting stuff, and the new posting format with the ‘reply’ feature is junk

Posted September 7, 2012 8:13 am 


Mix

Carl Froch is the UK’s #1 LB4LB’er end off & #2 @ 168LB in the World. However at 35 times running out so hopefully next year we get to see him rematch Bute, Kessler & Ward. We do have new blood coming though in the UK though, such as Kevin Satchell, B.J.Saunders, George Groves, Mark Heffron, James DeGale, Joe Murray, Scott Quigg,Carl Frampton, Frankie Gavin & of course Nathan Cleverly. I’d like to see Ricky Owen vs Robbie Turley fight for the Welsh title on Clev’s next undercard.

Posted September 7, 2012 7:26 am 


The Kingslayer

The fight just makes no sense at the moment, Carl has fights at SMW with Bute and Kessler lined up. Frank Warren is simply using Froch’s name to try and hype up Cleverly.

Posted September 7, 2012 7:16 am 


Daly jr

Lol kk. Yeh im british. and i too am a master of the one inch punch

Posted September 7, 2012 7:16 am 


KOrnerman

More money fighting in the UK, period.

Posted September 7, 2012 6:57 am 


OneInchPunch

Just to highlight what I thought was a funny comment!! British humour/sarcasm is the best, I am assuming you are British??

Posted September 7, 2012 6:40 am 


Matthew Amos

Car Froch cannot and does not want to fight at 175 or any other silly catch weights. He’s a natural 168 fighter who rarely weighs much more on fight night. That’s why he possess such stamina, he doesn’t get drained and dehydrated like some other SMW leading up to the fight. Warren is after publicity, he know’s after manouevering Cleverly well earlier in his career he’s run out of idea’s and no one other than a few hardcore welsh fans want to see him fight WBO bum’s like Calzaghe and Hamed did for large portions of their career. The difference with these two is they had the brilliant talent to move on and face elite fighters. Cleverly and Warren are stuck between a rock and a hard place. He is not good enough to face Dawson/ Cloud even Pascal or Shumenov yet he is too strong for the poor domestic division that’s why Warren is making lurid claims mentioning specific figures to get Cleverly and his Box Nation in the news. The best thing he can do if he wants to obtain a decent legacy when he retires in a few years is stop fighting bum of the months get a reality check and his passport out and fight some decent LH’s or drop down and compete in the much more impressive SMW division. My guess is he is happy lining his pocket in his home country against tin cans..there’s nothing wrong with earning a living and supporting his family but don’t expect much respect off true boxing fans. Silly articles like this give internet writers a bad name.

Posted September 7, 2012 6:33 am 


Mix

He sounds like a right bad lot me old Pommy Git mate. have you heard from Josey Wales?

Posted September 7, 2012 6:24 am 


Neil (pomy)

Please get rid of this writer …. if I have to read any more of his work I fear my head will explode through frustration.

Posted September 7, 2012 6:16 am 


OneInchPunch

i Know… i dont share my self but i know what it is!!

Posted September 7, 2012 5:55 am 


Daly jr

Flydog………….. I agree there. Also i for one am not interested in seeing froch, or anyone else fight ward. His style is ugly/boring/dirty……… But as ive said many times before, its effective. I cant see ward ever losing. Ward needs to be at home to sell tickets. I cant see anyone travelling to see ward, and only half the fans who travelled to see froch fight him would travel again. The nottingham arena will sell out every time froch fights there, but Ward wont come over. As for Frank Warren, im very greatful to him for giving me boxnation, its great. But the way he goes about his bussiness is wrong. He just looks for the quickest route to world title fights, or big money fights, even if he knows his guy has no chance. Hes got into a strange situation by making Burns vs Mitchell (great fight IMO), and one of them will see his career on a downward spiral when he loses IMO

Posted September 7, 2012 5:40 am 


Mix

I feel really sorry for anyone who signs with “Frank Warren Promotions” His prospects never get any pro expriance of fighting overseas, be it a Commonwealth country, Europe or the USA. Take a look at Mark Heffron’s record who’s managed by Gary Hyde. Ireland, UK, Netherlands, Hungry & Poland are all on his short record. UK promotors don’t seem to understand how valuable the experiance & exposure of fighting aboard is. I was out in Spain last year where the Benidorm bullring is used & I’m sure UK boxers would be welcomed. France & Belgium are just a hop across the channel, so why not give the prospects a run out abroad?

Posted September 7, 2012 5:32 am 


flydog

It’d be an interesting fight but unlikely to happen. Carl only weighed 172lbs on the actual fight night vs Bute. He’s a natural SMW and Cleverley looks lean at 175lbs so how much weight could he lose comfortably to compete with Froch? Could he lose another 7lbs the way Dawson is doing? Also, Carl has the next 6-9 months planned with Mack, Bute and then Kessler which is a loss that bothers Froch greatly and is a re-match that I commend him for persuing (God knows I wish Pac would persue Bradley for revenge but that’s another story!!) Warren is making a lot of pointless noise and hasn’t been heard to so much as utter Froch’s name while he was fighting all the world’s best. Carl might call it a day if he gets revenge over Kessler or he might be tempted to try and unify but I really don’t believe he wants anymore of Ward. Carl’s honest and I think he knows who the better man there is!!

Posted September 7, 2012 5:26 am 


Mix

Daly jr: Wise words. Froch has a contract to fight Bute & wants to right wrongs with Kessler & finally Ward. CF can hold his head held high when he retires knowing he fought the best in his division, which is something FW fighters will always find difficult. Carl comes across as very knowlegable when working as a pundit on TV so shall surely have a career after he hangs his gloves up. 168LB in the UK is in safe hands when he does retire with George Groves & James DeGale. Hopefully they can both break free of FW & carve out successful career’s leading to a rematch. Cleverley vs Shumenov needs to happen & happen soon in the USA.

Posted September 7, 2012 5:20 am 


OneInchPunch

well said… and what is “spit-roasting your wife” LOL!!

Posted September 7, 2012 5:20 am 


OneInchPunch

get real… thank god we have Ward…..Carl faced Ward in his own back yard, he faced Kessler in his own back yard. the man has taken on Jean Pascal, Jermain Taylor, Andre Dirrell, Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham, Glen Johnson, Andre Ward and Lucian Bute. Wards last eights fights do not read better… Thank god we have Stay-at-home-Ward… and Bad “not really” Chad Dawson… you make me laught!!

Posted September 7, 2012 5:05 am 


OneInchPunch

Why shouldn’t Carl have an easy fight?? Out of all the fighters out there today he’s the most deserving to have a (on paper) easy fight. Then to fulfil his obligation to give Bute a rematch and then after that to try and get a fight with Kessler. For the next year Carls got his fights line-up. Whereas Warren and Cleverly are pissing in the wind to get exposure and a name on Cleverly boxing record.

Posted September 7, 2012 4:50 am 


Mix

Another point that needs raising is the amount of boxers who have jumped ship from the SS Warren. Kell Brook, Tony Bellew + an attempt by James DeGale. George Groves got it right when he had a clause writen in his contract allowing him to fight on GBP’s in the USA. Hopefully George get’s his Lonsdale belt out-right & takes off to the USA for the mega ca$h!

Posted September 7, 2012 4:47 am 


Mix

I personally wouldn’t be interested in Froch vs Cleverley @ catchweight. If Clev wants it that badley then he should move down to 168LB. Beibut Shumenov offered Clev a 50% purse on nuetral ground (USA) for a WBA/WBO unification which FW turned down claiming they wanted the fight in Wales. If Clev wants to be the #1 in the World @ 175LB then he’s gonna have to start fighting abroad & not copping out with WBO Patsy contenders. The public got fed up with Joe Calzaghe hiding behind the WBO belt, but gave him due respect when he started fighting unifications & got his passport out. If Clev is to gain any credence then he’s gotta get a move on, he never won a Lonsdale belt out-right thanks to Frank pushing him down the WBO road, just as he had Ricky Hatton relinquish the most prized belt in boxing to fight for the WBU trinket. Cloud”IBF”,Dawson”WBC” or Shumenov”WBA” unifications are the only way forward if he wants legacy & lots of £$’s!…….

Posted September 7, 2012 4:39 am 


WHAT!?!

Any chance that Froch is after more than a single large pay day. Froch is a throw back and fights for a legacy. I don’t think a guy who has ducked no one and taken on all comers would be worried about the over rated Cleverly. When Froch is done with Mack and smashed Bute again, he will avenge his defeat to Kessler. Then because Ward has no balls to travel for a rematch he will kill Cleverly and retire a very rich man with brain cells intact.

Posted September 7, 2012 4:06 am 


nathan

Froch’s “boring fighters” classification translates to “they aren’t slow enough for me to hit them”
“exciting fighters” mean ones he can outpunch. He’s just playing to his fanbase which are more often than not casual fans that just want to see power shots and blood. But it’s no fun when you are the one getting hit is it Carl? Carl will avoid Andre for a while. But if Andre beats Dawson, don’t be surpised if later Froch takes on Dawson.

Posted September 7, 2012 3:30 am 


nathan

I wouldn’t call Froch “scared” of a fighter more than he is of a 3rd loss.
Froch has fought enough to know that guys that are fast, throw lots of combinations, with stamina and who have more youth than him will either give him a loss, or ugly fight, narrow Win or loss. He still wants “dangerous” guys on paper with medium or less speed, and preferably age or losses on their record but with as much reputation or money on the table as possible since it’s the last 3rd of his career.
Hearn probably figures that Cleverly can wait, when other fights come and go that Nathan will still be young and available to fight. And that it’s a 100% possibility unlike some US fights. If Froch loses a 3rd time some US fighters won’t care to take him on.
Carl only made about 650K vs Ward so I only think he and Hearn are in super ego mode because they “currently” hold a belt. Without the belt hearn would consider. He knows this is a risky fight vs Nathan. Besides Bute, Kessler, etc are currently more money. But to be fair Nathan has as good chance as any top contender. the weight is just a excuse. Froch would have fought Calzaghe 4 years ago at Light Heavy. It’s well documented. Excuses are from Hearn as a front. Froch would be comfortable at either weight because he has held 168 for a long time and is older. 175 would also be natural.

Posted September 7, 2012 3:27 am 


Boxing Barlow

More boxing politics bollocks with a good fight being missed. Who’s fault is is? Who knows but you wouldnt trust Warren to be using this whole debacle as a way of excusing his poor choice of opponent for Clevely, offering Hearn money that wasnt worth Froch’s while. But then on the flip side Hearn and Froch seem to be convinced they are entitled to provide the public with an absolute bum fight but giving them a big pay day. The reality os though taht these are two meaningless fights and its these fights that kill the sport. The best need to fight the best. Thank god we’ve got Ward and Dawson to look forward to.

Posted September 7, 2012 3:05 am 


Paul

Couldnt of said it better Lenzo…

Posted September 7, 2012 2:15 am 


Lenzo

Get in line Cleverly. If you want Froch that bad, move down to his weight division, than throw out a bone.
Froch already has plans that are more exciting in my book.

Posted September 6, 2012 11:42 pm 



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