It’s Me, Ernie
lmaoPosted June 18, 2013 9:23 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
I’m doing #13 as I type this brother Ernie. Maybe it might have been a good idea if I took off my stockings and stillettos first though? No matter.. what’s done is done.Posted June 18, 2013 1:15 am
It’s Me, Ernie
I do #’s 12 and 13 myself at times…Posted June 17, 2013 11:10 am
Mick the Marmalizer
If Ward’s comfortable @ 168Lb, then that’s where he should stay. However to gain any credence/legacy he’s gotta start getting his passport out!Posted June 17, 2013 3:21 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Gonzo’s Amazing Triple-Pronged Vulture Facts of the day
12. Because vultures have weak feet and legs, they do not carry prey back to their chicks. Instead, they will gorge at a carcass and regurgitate food from their crop to feed their young.
13. Vultures urinate on their legs and feet to help cool off on hot days, and their urine also helps kill any bacteria or parasites they’ve picked up from walking through carcasses to help keep the birds healthier.
14. The Andean condor, found in South America, has the largest wingspan of any vulture in the world, with a spread of 10-11 feet when the bird extends its wings.Posted June 17, 2013 12:25 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Lol I’m afraid not brother Ernie. I prefer to keep things a little obscure and hazy as it helps one retain an element of mystery.Posted June 17, 2013 12:22 am
Hey Correctamundo/Boxtradamus, you picked the winner of this fight – Dawson versus Stevenson wrong. The day that the fight was announced, months ago, I said ‘I’m going to go out on a limb and pick Stevenson to win because I think Dawson’s confidence is at an all-time low after losing by TKO for the first time (to Andre Ward) and also, Dawson is all skills and NO HEART and mentally weak’. I am NOT the greatest predictor of boxing outcomes, but I was right and several other people here at this message board were also right and you were WRONG. So I am GREATER than you by your logic. Also, I do agree that you are correct with your predictions most of the time – probably 90 percent of the time, but you are WRONG more often than you will admit. In fact, at the moment, I can think of 9 predictions you got wrong. 3 of those 9 were on the same weekend. You were WRONG about Berto-Ortiz, Ortiz-Lopez, Salido-Lopez, Khan-Garcia, Khan-Peterson, Dawson-Stevenson, Dawson-Hopkins 2, Donaire-Rigondeaux and Moreno-Mares. Those are only the ones that I can think of at the moment WITHOUT doing research.Posted June 16, 2013 9:06 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Gonzo, can you be a little more specific?…Posted June 16, 2013 8:30 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
The Dragonborn strikes again. lol
#1Posted June 16, 2013 5:52 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Even Americans know fighting that clown in Jokeland is stupid.
Kovalev is from Chelyabinsk so perhaps the fight coulde be staged in St. Petersburg (not the one in Florida) seeing as Atlantic City is ”neutral” if Kovalev picks up a strap. lol Does anyone think SOG would ever dare take a risk that big? lololPosted June 16, 2013 5:47 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
”My big dream is Kovalev vs Ward at 175lbs. I want Ward to fight him at 175 not go to Oakland. Come fight him somewhere neutral. I believe Kovalev will beat him.” – John David JacksonPosted June 16, 2013 5:39 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
Unless a unification fight with Cleverley, Bhop Or Shumenov takes place then WBC rules state that Stephenson must face the #1 mandatory contender & that happens to be Tony Bellew!Posted June 16, 2013 5:29 pm
Some fans see everything at face value. With them behind the scenes effects can only be looked upon as an excuse, and really never have any baring on what takes place in the ring come fight night. To me, that is very closed minded stance to have. But hey, they say it takes all kinds to make the world go around…Posted June 16, 2013 2:11 pm
Nobody’ going to germany bro.Posted June 16, 2013 12:43 pm
Joseph Herron, I simply DON’T consider your argument “Rational” and I am seriously HARD on excuse makers especially those who try to pose as writers… You tried to get Chavez Jr off the hook for his loss and performance against Martinez suggesting “he was drained” you tried to bilk Ward out of his credit against Dawson “saying he was drained” this is LAZY analysis in my book that basically gives LOSING Fighters who have months to prepare and accept the terms of the bout a “money back guarantee” if they lose or underperform… Both Chavez Jr and Dawson were pegged as underdogs before their bouts because of the P4P regard BOTH Martinez and Ward enjoyed going into the contests why the EASY pivot to weight?? Chavez Jr has NOT discussed moving up and he won over 40 bouts at 160 why would you try to deny Martinez his credit when Chavez who is FAR younger has shown himself to be undisciplined by his own trainers account and his own failed drug test that cost him $900k in prize money???? In your zeal to sell him as a real threat to Ward you took no issue with stripping Martinez of his credit due for a very good win against a YOUNGER, BIGGER opponent…If Chavez Jr could not get off then WHY in the 11th and 12th was he able to land meaningful blows? The latter rounds are when a depleted fighter is logically gonna have less to offer….NOW let me give you the truth, Chavez is SLOW, Martinez is FAST, Chavez is BIGGER and Martinez is SMALLER…. After freeswinging on him for most of 11 rounds Martinez slowed enough for the younger, bigger fighter to get some leather on him and he had to hit the deck in order to get his win…. Kudos on Julio for digging in and trying to the end, and MORE respect for Martinez for not giving up a hard fought victory….. AGAIN I’m over all the excuse for these fighters who know DAMN good and well what the terms are when they take the fight and make the millions…..-Posted June 16, 2013 11:52 am
stevenson and kovalov would be a hard hitting affair,and one that should be made.take your pick?Posted June 16, 2013 10:50 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
Andre Ward did not ran from Kelly Pavlik or Lucian Bute!!! Seriusly what am I hearing from some people here. Pavlik was sadly a shot top fighter and when he got the information that Ward was injured, he decided that he was not in condition to continue to fight on and decided he had done his part as a boxer. Lucian Bute, not the same but Ward was still injured. Andre Ward is one of the best fighters in the world and the real super middleweight king BUT he have troubles with his injury and that have thretned his career. Annyway Adonis Stevenson will not get a fight against 48 year old light heavyweight world champion Bernard Hopkins so he can look forward.Posted June 16, 2013 5:46 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Back to the original subject IE Adonis Stephenson: The UK’s Tony Bellew is the official #1 mandatory contender with WBC @ 175Lb & if the fight was to take place outside of Canada “could” have an outside chance of a points win. Having said that Stephenson’s KO record deserves respect & would definitely start as a 60% favourite. Germany or the USA could stump up the ca$h if the fight could take place on neutral ground.Posted June 16, 2013 3:24 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Although I wouldn’t give much hope surely thr winner of Bika/M.A.Periban should be next in line for Ward. Having said that James DeGale is the current WBC silver belt holder & a fight between him & Bika/Periban would be moe of a 50% contest & far more entertaining.Posted June 16, 2013 3:14 am
Chad got hit by a freight train, and cuddled down for the fall. That was sick! Cheeeaaait…Posted June 15, 2013 10:42 pm
Sredmond: And by the way, I’ve pointed out several reasons technically why Chavez/Ward would be an intriguing bout. But I could do that all day long and you probably wouldn’t be open to any of my responses, nor would you probably understand what I was talking about from a technical standpoint.
Trying to discuss anything rationally with you is a complete waste of time, brother.Posted June 15, 2013 10:10 pm
Sr Edmond, I don’t want to strip anyone of any credit for a victory in boxing and why would you jump to that conclusion?
Let me ask you this, and please answer with all sincerity:
When did you become a defensive fight fan who can’t have a decent and rational conversation about boxing? Not everything on this forum is an argument, brother.Posted June 15, 2013 9:53 pm
It’s clear that no one who has signed for the Super 6 is a cowardPosted June 15, 2013 9:37 pm
Ward-Chavez Jnr would be an absolute mismatch of epic epic proportions.Posted June 15, 2013 6:59 pm
Boxings Fcked the ONLY question when a guy LOSES now is what excuses are he and his supporters gonna try and sell when it’s all said and done… Chavez Jr coming to the ring at 180 plus was good enough to win over 40 fights but when he loses to a P4P fighter at least 10 years older we gotta hear “He was weight drained” banter on this sport is verging in useless the results should speak for themselves when prime guys are in play…Posted June 15, 2013 5:09 pm
No Joseph I don’t strip every fighter of his credit vmbexause his opponent CHOOSES to make weight… Chavez Jr won what 43 fights with no defeats BEFORE facing Martinez NOW you wanna STRIP Martinez of credit because Jr who was getting High During his training got beat to the punch by a fighter we already KNEW was much faster if hand and Foot? I don’t have the least bit of respect for your revisionism and attempts to let every losing fighter off the hook to further your argument… Martinez was a TON OLDER than Chavez Jr and had to endure a tough 12th to get his “W” he deserves better than another “Hacky” ESB churning out the same brand of excuse that every disgruntled poster does… “Styles make Fights” you gotta be able to do better than that??? That’s the EASY way out there is not a single thing technically about Chavez Jr that says he’s a better match for Ward than prior opponents, he’s a plodder and if you keep turning him, he’s a day late and a dollar short…Posted June 15, 2013 5:04 pm
Depends on how his head is when he returns, yourdad.
Trampler and Gibbons did an amazing job cultivating Chavez’s career up to this point. It would be a shame for Junior to throw all of that time, money, and effort away.
I believe that Chavez will have learned from his mistakes and take his career a little more seriously during the second phase of his career.Posted June 15, 2013 1:30 pm
People still buying into Chavez Jr below?Posted June 15, 2013 1:23 pm
I’m posting an artice with quotes from Sugar and Adonis tomorrow morning concerning everyone at 168 and 175. Hope everyone finds it to be as intriguing as I did while speaking to them.Posted June 15, 2013 12:58 pm
Anyone who faces Adonis is going to be in for some pain…even in victory.
Just spoke with Sugar Hill this morning, and he stated that Adonis wants to aggressively pursue all of the elite level fighters at 168 and 175. Sugar also stated that he and Adonis are going for broke against everyone. He feels that his fighter is ready for the bigtime.
“No guts, no glory” is the approach they’re taking. Sugar stated that he feels Adonis has the power and ability to knock-out anyone in boxing.Posted June 15, 2013 12:53 pm
Anyone who faces Adonis is going to be in for some pain…even in victory.
Just spoke with Sugar Hill this morning, and he stated that Adonis wants to aggressively pursue all of the elite level fighters at 168 and 175. Sugar also stated that he and Adonis are going for broke against everyone.
“No guts, no glory” is the approach they’re taking. Sugar stated that he feels Adonis has the power and ability to knock-out anyone in boxing.Posted June 15, 2013 12:48 pm
Joseph, If it happens I’ll be sure to tune in…. I would give Stevenson a much better shot against Ward though… Hey, On styles making fights what are your thoughts on a Stevenson/Chavez fight? It’ll never happen, to me that fight has a huge OUCH written on for Chavez!Posted June 15, 2013 12:35 pm
By the way, Chavez can’t have it both ways. He made a living out of boiling down and entering the ring with huge weight advantages, so the fact that it may have played a role in causing him to enter the sluggish is all on him and his team. People have been wanting him to step up to 168 and above for a long time now. Lets see what he can do with Ward, I just think that fight has humiliation written all for Chavez.Posted June 15, 2013 12:31 pm
We’ll see how Chavez looks in his next bout, TC. He very well could be at the end of his boxing rope.Posted June 15, 2013 12:29 pm
Chavez has reached his apex in my opinion. He’s done we’ll for a fighter who doesn’t seem to give boxing his full attention. I know styles make fights but I just don’t think he has the overall skill level to compete well with Ward. If Arum is indeed interested in that fight, Ward should jump on that pronto. It would be a big money fight for Ward, probably is biggest.Posted June 15, 2013 12:16 pm
I also really like the Adonis Stevenson fight against Andre Ward.
I also see this being a much more challenging fight for Ward than most. Adonis is a much more technically proficient fighter than most think.
I would much rather see Ward face either Chavez or Stevenson instead of the same match-ups we saw on Showtime.Posted June 15, 2013 12:15 pm
Sr Edmond, styles make fights.
This is a great style match-up between Ward and Chavez. Did you ever think that maybe one of the reasons why Junior wasn’t able to let his hands go against martinez was because he was so drained from trying to make 160 pounds?
When a fighter waits until the very end of a fight to let his hands go, it’s usually a strong indicator that he didn’t have much confidence in his conditioning or stamina.
I’m not convinced that Andre would have an easy time against a version of Chavez Junior who wouldn’t have to starve himself to make weight.
I love this fight, quite honestly, and would be more intrigued about this bout than a rematch between Froch and Ward.Posted June 15, 2013 12:06 pm
Joseph Herron, Chavez Jr has enjoyed those advantages against guys who has alot of bulk on Wards not fighting him at 160 so we know he is gonna have to step up and face a guy who has greater physical parity…Chavez has a good body attack but the reality is that Ward knows whats coming… Ward is multi-dimensional so why would he play to his opponents strengths? Thats the difference between an elite craftsman he can adjust and show something different, Floyd says he figures out what a guy does well and he takes it AWAY, Carl Froch said post Ward “He was either too close or too far away” in essence he controlled the realestate…. Floyd Mayweather and Andre Ward are amazing ring generals and thats what baffles World Class opponents who have very viable Plan A’s but when stripped of their effectiveness these same fighters begin looking inept and frustrated…Posted June 15, 2013 11:59 am
Chavez Jr, is ONE dimensional and his fighting style would be EASILY figured out by Ward… Chavez Jr has been melting himself down in order to enjoy huge weight advantages in the ring (his choice) against Ward he would be facing a guy who is STRONG in a division above where Chavez Jr is accustomed to fighting… For MOST of 11 rounds Chavez looked HAPLESS against Martinez who knows how to move and pot shot… Ward is 10 years younger than Martinez and he is naturally bigger having fought at 175 as an amateur he would have an EASY night with the undisciplined often face first Chavez Jr….We don’t know if that kid can get thru a camp and pass a drug screen at this point he tested positive for herb during the BIGGEST bout of his life… AGAIN he is STRONG at 160, but there seems to be a reason he is going thru all that to make the weight when he could EASILY come to the ring at 168Posted June 15, 2013 11:53 am
Joseph Herron, I stated below that Ward may or may NOT become an attraction… What I did state is that we have precedent for guys who are NOT KO artists and have been more technical than brutal becoming big in the sport thru WINNING and demonstration of an ELITE skillset… Of course Oscar was the bout that took Mayweather thru the roof, Floyd had been doing some lower level events prior but that was the catalyst… But Floyds contribution could NOT be denied ODH vs Mayweather did over 1 million buys more than Oscars next biggest fight ODH vs Trinidad and the continued ascension of FMJ post Oscar is a marker of his OWN popularity independent of ODH… I mean 1.25 mill against a Box Office NOBODY like Ortiz? PLUS the PPV revenue was much higher due to the HD payments ect…. That said Froch is NOT gonna kick start Ward as an American fighter because in the US he is only known to hardcore fans… Ward is announcing and it seems the networks are giving him a push it will be interesting to see if he breaks thru… If not he will have to content himself with being an ELITE fighter who rules his division and maybe starts to take over another… Time will tellPosted June 15, 2013 11:47 am
I’m not so sure, TC. That’s what’s so intriguing about this fight.
Ward has been able to have his way against European fighters who don’t know how to fight proficiently on the inside. Chavez has a granite chin and is one of the more proficient inside fighters in the sport.
Once he closes the distance on anyone, it’s usually all over.
That’s what makes this match-up so awesome. Who is truly the better inside fighter of the two. My guess is that Andre wouldn’t want to find out and would use the entire ring while trying to maintain distance.Posted June 15, 2013 11:35 am
“Floyd’s progression would have happened eventually without the involvement of Oscar De la Hoya.” I’m not convinced that it would have too !Posted June 15, 2013 11:34 am
I would like to see a Ward/Chavez Jr. fight. I just don’t think Chavez would like the outcome of such a fight. In my opinion even if he closes the distance he’ll get outworked and out thought in the inside. Wards not the type of fighter that blows through his opponents, but I would pick him to dismantle and humiliate Chavez Jr into submission in around 10 rounds. But I would still like to see Ward in some type of tuneup fight, since he’s coming off a surgery and long lay off….Posted June 15, 2013 10:51 am
Joseph Herron, I don’t see Froch as anxious for that bout he knows he can milk ANOTHER very winnable rematch with Kessler or possibly Bute in lieu of Ward who’s technical superiority had him flummoxed and basically irritated that he was dealing with a guy who uses angles and has solid balance unlike Kessler who despite being a very good World Class fighter moves in straight lines….Froch even discussed “saving Ward for last” whatever the case if they fight again I will watch expecting an even MORE dominant performance from Ward over Froch who is essentially the SAME fighter only getting older…Posted June 15, 2013 10:33 am
Sr Edmond, don’t fool yourself. Froch wants the money that comes with the big fight with Ward. That’s why he is entertaining the option of fighting in Vegas. he just wants the fight to happen, period.
But if Goossen and Hearn have brains, which they do, they will put the fight in England. One of the biggest money makers that can been produced in boxing. In Vegas, the networks will be on board and the Casinos will be willing to pay the huge site fee, but it won’t be the kind of money that 50 K fans will bring.Posted June 15, 2013 10:02 am
Mick the Marmalizer
I’ve just read that Frank Warren fancy’s Cleverley vs Stephenson on either side of the Atlantic. I won’t hold my breath.Posted June 15, 2013 9:48 am
Joseph Herron, I hear you on the $$$$$$ angle and I’m big on boxers getting paid… I despise the notion they should fight purely for the live of pathetic, fickle fans who at times are never gonna be onboard at times anyway.. But again if Froch in the UK is the only vehicle then why was Froch discussing a bout in Vegas down the road? We all know Chavez Jr’s not gonna face Ward, reality is that Dre is gonna have to keep winning and allow the landscape to change.. We all know Froch does NOT wanna face Ward again anytime soon because it’s a technical mismatch and another booked loss followed by trip to the bathroom to start whining about venues…Posted June 15, 2013 9:47 am
Joseph Herron, as for “adopting a more exciting style” he sure went after Dawson like a Lion and started putting him on the canvas EARLY and took him out… They said and some continue to say the same thing about FMJ’s style but he had 85 million rebuttals to that argument, Floyd’s nobodies KO artist above 147 and he’s the BIGGEST thing in boxing by a wide margin… Will Ward become a megastar? Maybe, Maybe not but winning is the best antidote to detractors…Its been proven that Elite Skills and winning can be the formula over time…Posted June 15, 2013 9:41 am
Joseph that’s EXACTLY my point Floyd was not a massive draw when he fought Gatti, but he kept winning and showing elite level skills to the point where he makes more in ONE fight than Gatti or Froch can make in their careers… Point is that if Ward keeps winning and dominating he affords himself the opportunity to become a BIGGER Cable TV Star down the road… He’s 28 and in his prime, Froch is in his mid 30′s and closer to the end… Ward does NOT “need” Carl Froch, he already defeated him, his job is to keep winning and allow threats to present themselves… Carl Froch is NOT a threat nor massive draw…Ticket sales is the pocket money as proven by the Mayweathers, Cottos and Pacquiaos… That’s why everyone wants and FMJ fight because of the PPV dollars…Posted June 15, 2013 9:37 am
Joanne Bugner, if Dawson were overrated by most, then how would you rate Bad Chad’s performance over the living legend Bernard Hopkins?Posted June 15, 2013 8:38 am
Sr Edmond, you’re thinking strictly like a fan and that’s great!! I wish the fight promoters and networks thought about the fighters and the industry as a whole like the fans did.
But I was referring to the business end of boxing and not from a fan’s perspective.
In reality, most fighters couldn’t care less about legacy and their standing in some fat boxing writer’s mythical pound for pound list.
This is a business…more specifically the entertainment business.
Fight fans ultimately want to see the most entertaining match-ups combined with the most impactful pairings in the sports. That’s what the promoters ultimately try to give us…but it has to make monetary sense.
I promise you, Andre Ward doesn’t worry about being number one on any pound for pound list…he would much rather have a big multi million dollar payday, which I’m pretty sure he hasn’t had regardless of his standing within the boxing community.
And right now, there is money and demand for a big rematch with Froch. That is the hottest fight in the Super Middleweight division, but it doesn’t have the kind of numbers in the US both fighters are looking for. Ward needs Froch in the UK to make that multi million dollar payday that he’s always wanted.
There is no 401K or IRA in boxing. There is no players union to help him invest his money. Is Ward’s ATG status going to pay his bills when he can’t fight anymore? No.
Match-ups have to mature. A promoter can’t expect to simply throw two names in the media and expect the public to support the event. The event ends up becoming a crap shoot and the promoter ultimately takes a chance on whether or not he’ll make money.
When the demand is there, the promoters and the fighters have to make the fight happen. Right now, there is a huge demand in England for Froch vs. Ward II. This match-up isn’t nearly as big in the states.
That fight in a soccer stadium in England would set up Ward and Froch for life. If the fight doesn’t happen and take place in England, everyone involved should have their heads examined.
I know this isn’t the kind of discussion most fans want to hear, but it’s very important for fight fans to start understanding why fighters and promoters make certain decisions concerning their careers.Posted June 15, 2013 8:21 am
Dawson was always a little overrated anyhow. Some people thought Calzaghe was ducking him, why I cant guess, because Dawson has poor workrate, poor stamina and no power.Posted June 15, 2013 7:50 am
Gatti also got beat by Mayweather in AC where he was a draw and look at the mind blowing success Floyd enjoys because he kept WINNING… Froch is nobodies megastar and Wards future is with HBO, maybe he gets big maybe not buy how many PPVs were FMJ and Pacquiao selling at under 30 fights? Ward has time to keep building he’s 28 Whereas Froch is what 34 or 35??? Ward hardly “needs” another Froch fight…Posted June 15, 2013 7:24 am
Saying “Ward needs Froch” more than vice versa is patently illogical… If Froch wants to keep that loss on his record that’s fine he can accept being a distant 2nd at 168…. The last of his countrymen who was tops at 168 when he retired openly mocked Froch grossly overstating his position in the pantheon of UK fighters historically and noted that if Froch claims he is the “best” Lewis aside the how good would that make Ward relative to the rest of UK boxing history?? Clearly Froch and Calzaghe has a running beef but Frank Warren and others have waded in on such nonsense…if Froch and Ward never fight again it’s going down that Froch is a Ward victim who did a much better job talking once his pride recovered post Bute than he did in an actual boxing ring with Andre Ward…Froch is a very good Blue Collar fighter who had to scratch out some tough wins along the way… Ward is a slick, tough, elite fighter who made his best opponents look several cuts below him… That’s a special talent…Froch is a Ward subordinate and that was proved in a boxing ring not on a message board…Posted June 15, 2013 7:19 am
Boxing Barlow, that is a very insightful post and you’re absolutely right.
Unfortunately, it’s entirely up to Bad Chad.
Chad has a rematch clause but isn’t willing to go there at this time. i can’t blame him.
If Ward, Froch, Hopkins, or Kessler don’t want to face Stevenson right now, Dawson might be Stevenson’s biggest money option.
We’ll have to wait and see what happens…but great post, BarlowPosted June 15, 2013 5:15 am
Correctamundo, you’re right to a certain extent.
Boxing is still a sport, which is the only reason why anyone at 168 and 175 wastes their time with the idea of fighting Andre Ward. But boxing isn’t run like any other sport.
Boxing is run more like the entertainment industry…more specifically the music industry.
That’s what most fight fans and even sports writers fail to understand…that’s the primary reason why it drives them nuts when a certain match-up isn’t made like Mayweather/Pacquiao for instance. They don’t realize that boxing isn’t like any other sport.
Ranking systems really don’t matter at the end of the day. The only thing that really means anything is basically what the public and television networks are willing to pay for.
I’ll give you an example that supports my statement.
In what other sport would the perceived most important division or conference of that given league be completely ignored by the networks and fans?
Because that’s basically what has happened to the Heavyweight division in America.
Because the average American sports fan lost interest in the supposed “glamour” division of boxing, the networks chose not to showcase them any longer. HBO and Showtime has virtually refused to televise most Heavyweight bouts unless it involves an American fighter.
Now, can you imagine this happening in any other sports league? Absolutely not.
This is one of the reasons why no one has ever been successful in creating a labor union or fighters union with benefits. Everyone who have tried have modeled their efforts after the other sports leagues’ players unions when they really shouldn’t.
If they used the screen actors guild as a model, they would actually succeed.
So in reality, you could say that Ward needs Froch more than Froch needs Ward. If Froch never fought Ward ever again, The Cobra’s career would be just fine and he would continue to fight in front of sell out crowds throughout England.
Andre Ward can’t say the same thing. SOG is a dominant champion but isn’t a big ticket seller…even in California. Because at the end of the day Andre isn’t a very entertaining fighter. He’s extremely talented, but not very fan friendly.
Like I said, it’s more like the music industry…it doesn’t matter how talented an artist is. If the public doesn’t want to purchase their album or see them perform live, there’s very little they can do about it.
Look at Ward compared to a fighter like Arturo Gatti for instance.
There is no question that Ward is twenty times more talented than Gatti ever was as a prizefighter…God Rest his soul!! But it doesn’t change the fact that Gatti sold out the same Boardwalk Hall that Ward and Froch fought in more than ten times.
Ward and Froch couldn’t even put more than 6K fight fans in it.
So believe me when I tell you, Ward needs Froch more than Froch needs Ward at this stage in both fighters’ respective careers.Posted June 15, 2013 5:08 am
I like Stevenson but to be fair to Dawson I think he deserves a rematch. As good as a ko like that is from a boxing point of view it doesn’t answer all of the questions. Was Oliver McCall a better fighter than Lewis, or Rahman? No and given the adjustments he was able do prove that. Dawson’s ko was a bad one but he should be given a rematch.Posted June 15, 2013 4:30 am
Lets be real. Ward did not ruin Chad. Chad ruined himself and Ward just took advantage of all the concessions Chad gave him. STEVENSON BECAME A THREAT TO WARD WITH ONE PUNCH AND SOME PEOPLE DON’T LIKE THAT.
He called out Ward, let’s see what he does.Posted June 15, 2013 3:12 am
Most so called big punchers do know how to win fighter any other way. Ok, he caught an already damage Chad Dawson now the guy think he’s an elite fighter. Yeah right…Jf he wants ti hold onto that belt he might want to fight someone other then Ward…Posted June 15, 2013 2:29 am
Ward vs Stevenson is the ultimate technician against KO artist fight, Ward is Stevenson’ worst nightmare, here Ward’s ring intelligence and jab, hold and move away Hopkins style will prevail, clearly.
Koing Dawson doesn’t make Stevenson better, it was his first win against a good name, Ward moves a million times better than Dawson. Sometimes the KO artist, turns out to be vulnerable himself.
I can see Ward winning via KO, against Stevenson in Oakland. I don’t like either fighter, but this fight is too big a step up for Stevenson.
Lmw is Ward’s only road to money fights, if he refuses to meet Froch in England, to improve his travelling resume. Lhw isn’t that exciting.
Some people argue that Bute, Froch and Kessler moving to Lhw will make it exciting, but Bute is shot, Froch will stay at Smw and Kessler is over the hill, and should consider retiring. Or end his career with a victory over Stieglitz/Abraham.Posted June 15, 2013 2:20 am
Joseph-YES. Boxing is a Business but it’s also a Sport. And one of the unwritten rules of the Sport is that the CHAMP has the say SO…..SO your statement that “in any business money dictates the terms” is FALSE. There are PLENTY of examples in MANY businesses where PRIDE can trump money such as when Manny Pacquiao declined a 50/50 split of the biggest payday in the History of Boxing because he didn’t want to take a blood test within 14 days of the Fight……In THIS Business guys don’t only Fight for money but they also Fight for prestige……That’s why Marquez turned down more money to Fight Pacquiao for the prestige of WINNING the Welter weight Championship from Bradley…..Froch may be where the money IS but Ward is where the Ring Magazine belt IS and therefore HE is where the prestige IS. And money can’t BUY it. A WIN over Andre Ward CAN……IF Carl still aspires to be the BEST in his Division like he DID before he entered the Super 6 tournament then he needs to Fight Ward no matter WHERE Ward wants to Fight. …..HBO is paying Ward and his opponent no matter WHERE Ward Fights. HBO’s money has nothing to DO with how many fans show UP to the Fight. They just want to make the BEST Fights possible. SO Ward can still make million dollar paydays WITHOUT Froch……by the way what was Froch’s PPV numbers on his Kessler fight?????…….Ward isn’t even concerned with a rematch with Froch because he already SPANKED him handily. Froch needs to find a way to get back on Ward’s radar. Another WIN over Froch really doesn’t DO much for Ward because he already beaten him AUTHORITATIVELY……Let’s see Ward face Stevenson. Time for something NEW. Ward will beat Froch anywhere in this World. And IF they find a way to put a Fight on Mars Ward will beat him there TOO.
That’s the TRUTH brother.Posted June 15, 2013 2:04 am
Herron, your sounding like a bandwagoneer by virtue of one fight which is always pretty novice in my book… Stevensons the LHW good for him but alas close scrutiny shows him catching Dawson who was broken down EARLY by Ward quickly and without a lot of craft or guile… The only REAL conclusion we can draw is that Stevenson has KO power which we already knew, we also saw Dawson forced to QUIT in his last fight so it baffles me as to where you have gotten this over the top confidence in Stevenson??Posted June 15, 2013 1:08 am
Joseph Herron, who argues that Stevenson is NOW the LHW Champion by virtue of knocking out Dawson?? Anyone who stopped Dawson was gonna be LHW Champion, my point is that I’m not overly impressed with Stevenson especially when you discuss him in the Ring with
Correctamundo, boxing is a business.
In any business, money dictates the terms.
Froch is where the money is a 168 pounds. No one at Super Middleweight is a bigger monetary draw than Carl Froch.
Every promoter knows that the fans are the bosses of boxing. They pay the bills. No one is paying anything in Oakland. The UK fight fans are the pound for pound best in boxing…hands down.
You will see more and more events televised from the UK in America in 2013 and 2014.
Andre Ward knows that the rematch with Froch doesn’t happen unless he goes to England.
Just the way it is, brother.Posted June 14, 2013 11:26 pm
Kovalev is going to be one tough assignment for anyone!!
he looked reallly imppressive tonight.
Sr Edmond…by the way, you keep stating that The Ring designates Andre Ward as the number 2 pound for pound in the world. Who does the Ring recognize to be the Light Heavyweight Champion?
Every media outlet and fight scribe recognizes Adonis’ accomplishment.
Jump on board, brother. Don’t fight the truth, man…lolPosted June 14, 2013 11:18 pm
No sh t, these moniker highjackers are a waste of thread space.Posted June 14, 2013 11:04 pm
Ahh I see the mentally ill have been allowed to run rampant again today. SighPosted June 14, 2013 10:53 pm
When did hulk hogan join esb?. Let me explain it to ya brother!Posted June 14, 2013 9:33 pm
What in tarnation!?? this new format makes me feel like I’m doing my taxes! Stevenson seems to be a legitimate threat! He doesnt have a sluggish power punchers body language that belies true skilz, he has both. This guy is gonna give opponents problems. Chad may have been overconfident underestimating the “slugger” or “punchers” skills, thinking he could pour it on early for the intimidation factor. I’d like to see Stevenson against GGG and Froch before tackling Ward. He’d certainly destroy Canelo at Canelos natural ‘light heavyweight’ weight; due to Canelo being AFRAID to tackle dudes at his “right” weight. Thats another story though.Posted June 14, 2013 9:10 pm
Stevensons win was impressive. You can’t say Ward soften Dawson up either. Both Ward and Stevenson beat Dawson impressively, but if you try and gage a Ward/Stevenson fight based on thier performance against Dawson, you’ll more than likely pick the fight wrong. But Stevenson does have the power to turn any fight in his favor.Posted June 14, 2013 9:05 pm
If Stevenson made easy work of Dawson because of Ward, then Ward was only able to beat Dawson because of Pascal, right? Let’s be honest here, Stevenson’s win was much better than Ward’s. Period.Posted June 14, 2013 8:58 pm
Adonis has crippling power, but everyone isn’t going to go in the first round, and everyone isn’t going let him land those huge punches. For now he’s in a good spot. Power like his catches people’s attention. I know I’ll be tuning into his fights. But do I think he’ll beat Ward? Nope, but I’d give him a he k of a shot against any of the other 168 -175 pounders.Posted June 14, 2013 8:38 pm
sredmond, where is public enemy.Posted June 14, 2013 8:37 pm
Again Chad prior to getting wiped by Andre was at the top of the 175 pound heap for YEARS with one points loss to Pascal… Ward tore him apart a guy that handled Adamek… Again Ring Magazine ranks him as #2 that’s just how it’s going down man!!Posted June 14, 2013 8:32 pm
Who said you have to defeat “unbeaten Champions” to be Great?? Or that your resume needs a specific number of them? My point is that Kessler was the Top 168 pounder in the World and he got dusted… Then Froch edges him at got dusted both are World Class Champions that were easily dominated by Ward… Then throw on Dawson as well as the Tourney and you have the guy being touted as #2 AGAIN this is Rings perception of his skills which have proven elite… You gonna sell me on Jeff Lacy? I agree Kessler was Joe C’s best win but Ward with 20 fights handled him with EASE…Posted June 14, 2013 8:28 pm
Since when did beating Chad Dawson make you the second best fighter on the planet? Jean Pascal must be buzzing…Posted June 14, 2013 8:24 pm
SREDMOND.. You said “Froch barely got by Dirrell and even a banged up Kessler had him staggering in the 11th…” So what is so great about Ward beating Froch then after Kessler already beat Froch? Or Ward beating Kessler, after Calzaghe took Kesslers 0 and his titles years prior? How many unbeaten champions has Ward beat to be classed as the second best fighter on the planet?Posted June 14, 2013 8:21 pm
Fish Eyes he’s been ranked there by the powers that be as an unbeaten Elite who faces the very best in his division and dominated and then to boot stopped Chad Dawson…The quality of his resume goes beyond a bunch of filler names since the Super 6…. Take it up with Ring Magazine..Posted June 14, 2013 7:50 pm
Ward is a great fighter, but he need a bit more yet to be ” the second best fighter on the planet.”Posted June 14, 2013 7:30 pm
Ward is the second best fighter on the planet because he beat Froch and Kessler? How does that work out?Posted June 14, 2013 7:27 pm
Froch can’t be effective against Ward ANYWHERE his dream that he’s amazing in Englands a joke, he barely got by Dirrell there and even a banged up Kessler had him staggering in the 11th… He would be lucky to finish!Posted June 14, 2013 7:22 pm
Boxtra and I disagree on plenty, Ward and Mayweather are not amongst that list… Both are GREAT thus 1 and 2 respectively on the Planet… Again reality is non negotiable !!! And excuse makers and whiners gotta get called out..Posted June 14, 2013 7:20 pm
“I wonder why Kessler might be reluctant to go back”-NO need to wonder. He took the most LOPSIDED LOSS of his career there. THAT’s why he’s reluctant to go back. He doesn’t care IF Ward’s got 10 BELTS. He will NEVER go back to the Castle in Oakland. Even IF they offered him $10 million. (which won’t happen because the LOSS was SO clear that there’s no clamor for a rematch)Posted June 14, 2013 7:11 pm
“No they don’t. Most ”experts” have him at #3 or #2″-Which is in the TOP 1% of the Sport. SO I am CORRECT when I say that he is the CREAM of the CROP. TOP rated Fighter above 154 and he’s only had 26 PRO Fights. WOW!!!!Posted June 14, 2013 7:03 pm
They want a money back guarantee!! Basically I’d I win I get all the credit, If Lose I blame it on my trainer, training camp, making weight, a cold, injury, sadness, depression weight, height, venue etc… Churning out excuses is a cottage industry on this site…Posted June 14, 2013 7:02 pm
ALL EXCUSES are DENIED after a LOSS. You shall remain as the 100% LOSER even though you were hoping to be re classified as a 50% LOSER. NICE try though.Posted June 14, 2013 7:01 pm
Froch is an entertaining #2 at SMW, if you want to see non elite trench warfare Carl provides that losing to Kessler, eking by Direll and hitting the 9th inning homer against Taylor… If you want to see Elite combat at 168…Wards the guy!!Posted June 14, 2013 6:58 pm
“knew he was a walking corpse down at 168 against Ward,”-What a CONVENIENT EXCUSE. In FACT if these types of excuses are acceptable then Wladimir Klitschko should drain himself down to 147 and face Floyd for $20 million, get SPANKED, and then offer the EXCUSE that he was drained. All while continuing to enjoy the Financial rewards……NO. If guys take a Fight and then after the Fight say that they were drained then their purses should be confiscated. Because that’s called Robbing the Public. IF you were going to be drained then why take the Fight???? Only for the money???? Well IF you sell yourself OUT for money then you deserve the SPANKING that’s coming to you.Posted June 14, 2013 6:57 pm
Dawson was NOT drained this has become a VERY popular excuse if this is what guys think them we should ban guys moving up or down to eliminate excuses?????Posted June 14, 2013 6:54 pm
FACT is that boxing fans in General need to stop pumping out excuses and preloading reasons for why a guy loses…Assuming Floyd dethroned Canelo they are gonna come up with some off the wall rationale for why this happened… Some have already begun prepping us for the avalanche of reasons why this guy won’t have enough working for him that night, none of which include Floyd being a better boxer even though he was World ranked and a Champ When Canelo was UNDER 10 years old… Ward did a number on Dawson and Stevenson finished him off at the top…Posted June 14, 2013 6:52 pm
“Funny how he is utterly loathed to do what every other top fighter in the division has done repeatedly, ie. put himself at a major disadvantage by travelling to foreign shores into his opponent’s hometown home county where the deck is heavily stacked against him, eh?”-Nope. But its funny how everyone in the division (besides Stevenson) has conceded that there’s no beating King Ward in the Castle of Oakland. (where NO judges are needed)Posted June 14, 2013 6:49 pm
“No, his body was drained and the evidence is both overwhelming and irrefutable.”-NO. His body didn’t ask for 168. His BRAIN DID. And Ward SPANKED him SO bad that people need excuses. Well while you’re AT it you can make 25 more Excuses for the other 25 Fighters that got beat…But the result will remain the SAME. Ward was the VICTOR!!!!! and his 26 opponents were the VICTIMS!!! Excuses are FUTILE!!!Posted June 14, 2013 6:45 pm
Good to see Stevenson is willing to fight big names but Andre remains at 168. Also he’s too slick for him.Posted June 14, 2013 6:43 pm
wake up fools
Sredmond, correctumundo, & supreme court all posting within minutes of each other
Even their posting styles are similar
So is the content a lot of the time
Sredmond had already been exposed for doing this
Wake up foolsPosted June 14, 2013 6:40 pm
“Dawson drowned because he was too weakened by making weight to keep his head above the water.”-Well then Froch and Kessler must’ve been too weakened by making weight TOO. Because they drowned in Ward’s Bath of SKILLS TOO.Posted June 14, 2013 6:39 pm
Yup wards the man , whilst froch continues to be the most entertaining, best value for money, and hes making more money fighting on his little island. Good night chapsPosted June 14, 2013 6:30 pm
Junior, Froch and Kessler like to trade close losses Ward dominated them BOTH the only favor he owes is some EASY money taking Froch to school if he decides.. The tourney that Froch and Kessler are in is with eachother is for 2nd tier fighters, Wards an Elite talent who already tried to teach these two how to box… He has every important distinction at 168 possible, Froch should break out his broom and sweep Wards porch for another fight…Posted June 14, 2013 6:21 pm
Joseph Herron what I do understand is that you are ANOTHER Supoorter of excuses Everytime a guy moves up or down the scale.. Dawson called out Ward in HIS division and got destroyed… Boxing matches dont come with a money back guarantee when a guy loses a fight… ie “If I beat Ward at 168 I’m the man” “and if I lose to Ward at 168 it’s because I’m drained” you can claim whatever there is NO WAY that you can know how Dawson felt or Ward felt that’s why the PURE result is the best judge of a fight… Wards got Dawson’s scalp when he had never been stopped and online campaigns by childish posters and writers who wannaake excuses for a Prime aged fighter getting dominated are not gonna change that… If Dawson decides to fight again he will be making an excuse for losing to Stevenson I guarantee it, because the SILLY public lives to buy BS…. Dawson lost that’s all we need to know, if you think Stevenson is a virtuoso by all means enjoy that dubious belief but I see a guy with heavy hands and not much more…Posted June 14, 2013 6:18 pm
Like Joseph already said, wards biggest money fight is in Britain.Posted June 14, 2013 6:04 pm
what ?Posted June 14, 2013 6:02 pm
Eh???Posted June 14, 2013 6:00 pm
Gonzo your a falkin jackal with your dumb postPosted June 14, 2013 5:59 pm
What is your source, for god sake!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!Posted June 14, 2013 5:51 pm
junior-Learn more about Boxing. The TOP Fighter has the Right to dictate where the Fight takes place. Last time I checked Ward is on TOP of Froch. The KINGDOM of 168 is in Oakland. SO why would I get on Ward for defending the Kingdom??? NO. I get on those who are afraid to come and challenge the Kingdom…..Froch said HECK NO!! That’s WEAK.Posted June 14, 2013 5:43 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Thanks brothers Junior and Joseph.Posted June 14, 2013 5:39 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Once again the Dragonborn smokes suckers like a fish in an oven. Easy work.Posted June 14, 2013 5:39 pm
50 K in London versus 11K in Oakland…no brainer!!! Ward should cross the pond!!Posted June 14, 2013 5:35 pm
Stevenson is the new kid on the block and the hot commodity because he just WON by knockout over a BETTER Fighter than Froch just beat. Plus we already SAW Ward vs. Froch. I would rather see the last 2 guys to beat Dawson square off. Let Froch see IF he can beat Dawson and if he DOES then give him a rematch vs. Ward…..Froch’s WIN was DOMINANT vs. Kessler but it was still less dominant than Ward’s WIN vs. Kessler….Stevenson just beat Dawson more DOMINANTLY than Ward DID so he should face Ward next. He’s really a 168 lb Fighter who is fighting at 175.Posted June 14, 2013 5:30 pm
If I were Dan Goossen, I would totally sign for a rematch between Froch and Ward at the Wembley Arena in London…biggest money fight above 154 pounds.Posted June 14, 2013 4:52 pm
Well then IF Stevenson doesn’t get Ward then he should be taking on Cleverly. Let the WINNER of that face the WINNER of B-Hop-Shumenov and then the WINNER of THAT bout should take on Ward….IF I were Ward I’d take Stevenson UP on his offer right NOW to come back down to 168 and come to Oakland. Then let him weigh IN at 175 for the next bout in Montreal and SPANK him again while remaining at 168 SO you don’t let HIM mess with YOUR weight. SKILLS is more important than weight.Posted June 14, 2013 4:48 pm
Guys, this isn’t official by any means, but look for Bernard to select Shumenov at a future date in a unification bout. Very good chance.Posted June 14, 2013 4:26 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
Linage wise Stephenson is #1 @ 175Lb. End of! Now it’s time for Cleverley, Shumenov & Bhop to look to unifie the division!Posted June 14, 2013 4:15 pm
Dawson drowned vs. the SKILL level of the #2 P4P Fighter in the World.
IF Dawson was drained then it wasn’t his body that was drained his BRAIN was drained because HE is the one that proposed the 168 lb Fight.
All Ward DID was what he was supposed to DO which is defend his Castle. Excuses are FUTILE. Dawson came to the Castle in Oakland, California and got his head chopped OFF and Excuses won’t reattach it.
They simply put it right back on his shoulders and Stevenson knocked it off with again EASE. What was the excuse there??? That Ward already knocked his head OFF???
Every EXPERT alive has Ward as the CREAM of the CROP in the Sport of Boxing. ALL of the EXCUSES in the World can’t change it.
I SAY let Stevenson COME to Oakland where even the gutsy Carl Froch has REFUSED to go because receving a beating there is INEVITABLE.
SO I APPLAUD Chad Dawson and Stevenson for having enough BALLS to go where Froch won’t go and where Mikkel Kessler won’t come back to.Posted June 14, 2013 4:14 pm
Supreme, that’s what you don’t understand, brother.
If I stated that Adonis is the man at Light Heavy…that would be an opinion. But the fact is that Adonis is the universally recognized and lineal Light Heavyweight Champion. He gained distinction by defeating Chad Dawson.
Is he the best Light Heavyweight on the planet? I don’t know. That’s up for debate. But the fact that he is the lineal champ is not debatable.
Do you understand?
Chad lost the lineal title to Jean Pascal, who lost the title Bernard Hopkins, who lost the title to Chad Dawson, who just lost the title Adonis Stevenson…this makes him the universally recognized and lineal Light Heavyweight Champion.Posted June 14, 2013 4:02 pm
Great fights at 130.
Argenis Mendes, Mini Burgos, Rocky Martinez…hopefully Gamboa can still make Super Featherweight!!Posted June 14, 2013 3:57 pm
He looked huge last time out, so maybe he will move up. I don’t think he would be badly preparedPosted June 14, 2013 3:39 pm
Top info as usual Joseph, thanks bud. Maybe the first sign of mikey outgrowing the divisionPosted June 14, 2013 3:38 pm
Sorry…Mikey GarciaPosted June 14, 2013 3:31 pm
Friend of mine just called me from Dallas, Texas, and informed me that Kikey Garcia just lost his title on the scales.
He weighed in two pounds over the limit and isn’t going to try losing the weight. He relinquishes his title and Juanma is only eligible to compete for the WBO 126 pound title.
Damn shame!!Posted June 14, 2013 3:31 pm
Brother Gonzo layin down the law as usualPosted June 14, 2013 3:14 pm
Thanks, Gonzo…it’s been a pleasure watching you work, brother!! lolPosted June 14, 2013 3:05 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Thank you brother Joseph. You’ve just been fortunate to witness, first-hand, why I am widely regarded as ”the best poster this site has ever seen or will ever see” (not my words”
I really am that good.
I always make sure to tune into your show (well I download the podcast and listen to it religiously)
It has the Gonzo seal of approval (praise doesn’t get any higher than that)
Keep up the sterling work sir.
Right, I think I’m going to listen to the Higgs Boson Blues (volume switched up to high) while I pound the heavy bag for 30 mins.Posted June 14, 2013 3:02 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
And there’s more too
The rumors have been circulating for weeks. Did Edison Miranda drop Chad Dawson during a sparring session? According to Miranda’s trainer, Miguel Diaz, the incident happened.
For a few weeks in Las Vegas, the two fighters were training together for their respective fights on September 8th.
‘During one of their final sparring sessions, Miranda caught Dawson with a hard three punch combination. Dawson went down hard, says Diaz, but eventually got to his feet. They sparred for ten rounds a day or two later, without incident.
“It’s very simple. That day we were prepared for a ten round workout. In the ninth round, Miranda executed something that I’ve been telling him to do the whole workout – left [hand], right hand, left hook – and he knocked him down. It was devastating for me, because I don’t want to see something like that, but it happened. He was hurt. He tried to get up, he went down again, and got up. In fact, I screamed to Rafael Garcia ‘come and help him,’” Diaz told ********”Posted June 14, 2013 2:55 pm
Sean Redmond: 43-Year-Old “Model/Actor” for Hire
There’s no way that Stevenson even belongs in the same ring with the almighty Ward.
As you know I always walk down the street with my pants unzipped and undone, so I don’t even bother to wear pants when I’m alone at home on the computer.
BTW…please check out my sexy pics on Twitter & Facebook when you get a minute, fellas. I just love reading your comments on those social media sites! : )Posted June 14, 2013 2:54 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Dawson was CLEARLY drained to hell against Ward and there’s PLENTY of evidence to back that assertion up too:
Dawson hadn’t fought at that weight in SIX AND A HALF YEARS.
He had no way of knowing how his body was going to hold up in a real fight because the last time he’d fought at that weight Jesus was still alive.
Ward is CLEARLY not a puncher.
The ONLY world class fighter Ward has ever dropped is Dawson.
Ward has never even dropped a world class super-middleweight before let alone a light-heavyweight.
Ward couldn’t even drop Glass Jaw Green.. Green has been dropped, hurt and stopped on numerous occasions.. In fact, Green’s abysmal chin has been well and truly exposed by complete tomato cans. Blown up middleweight Donny McCrary dropped him HEAVILY and had him BADLY hurt. Green was literally a punch away from total Bolivion. lol.
Dawson has taken far bigger shots up at his natural division from much bigger hitters than Ward, and on numerous of occasions too.
Dawson’s legs were CLEARLY weak as hell down at 168. Think Bambi with a bad case of rickets. lol.
It was also equally CLEAR to see the punches that cotton bud fists Ward dropped him with were not hard ones either.Posted June 14, 2013 2:46 pm
Gonzo…that is one of the funniest posts I’ve ever seen!! lolPosted June 14, 2013 2:43 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
Edit> That he isn’t a pampered little diva who expects everyone else to play by his set of rules.Posted June 14, 2013 2:40 pm
Just have one fight at 168 in Vegas.
Ward will never go to Canada so why ask for a non starter to begin with?Posted June 14, 2013 2:29 pm
Sr Edmond, do you have any idea what the weight draining process does to a fighter? If you did, you wouldn’t be stating that dehydration and depletion while trying to make fight weight is a lame excuse.
Do you realize how difficult it is for a man who is 6’2″ to make 168 pounds after conditioning his body for the 175 pound weight division for several years consecutively?
Iceman John Scully told me on the show that Chad nearly killed himself trying to shed the last two pounds before his fight with Ward. Even in Dawson’s weakened state, it took Ward ten rounds to stop Chad.
But trying to make weight is not a trivial matter for any fighter. It is a very dangerous process and has resulted in critical injury after taking hard shots to the head.
Chad stated before the fight with Adonis that he had experienced the best training camp of his career and was mentally prepared for the best version of Stevenson.
He didn’t realize how intelligent Adonis was and paid the price for it. Chad fell for the first trap that Adonis set for him. He set up the 1-2 down the middle by jabbing to the body and using feints.
Chad took the bait and never saw the left cross that floored him.
Very impressive feat for Adonis!!Posted June 14, 2013 2:14 pm
No problem, Malachi…i expect a retort if I cite an opinion. i don’t expect it when I’m merely trying to inform.
If I said something like Ward will get whupped by Adonis if they ever meet, then by all means…let me have it.
But i’m just trying to inform everyone on the truth…which is that Chad was beaten by a very intelligent fighter who can think very quickly in the ring.
Is there anything else anyone would like to know? If I don’t know something for a fact, I will say let you know that it is merely an opinion.Posted June 14, 2013 2:02 pm
Sorry Joseph I don’t see how a first round one punch KO establishes Stevenson as technically sound or positions Dawson to make the call that he is.. By that logic Bredis Prescott is a master boxer for stopping Khan… I give Stevenson his due but basing his overall viability on that super short bout is lazy thinking in my estimation… Andre Ward is the total package he has handled all manner of World Class foe, he dealt with the tough and strong Bika… Ward knows that Stevensons another limited power puncher that he just has to neutralize and outbox.. If your gonna heap praise on Stevenson for beating a recent Ward leftover then how much praise is due Ward for breaking Dawson down like that!? Or we gonna hear excuses about weight?Posted June 14, 2013 2:01 pm
@wutupdoe – really? Cause i dont agree w u? Dude doesnt fight outside of oakland. He has decent skills average power. Who has he really beat? Holla back when u can kick real ish instead of your man crush for ward!Posted June 14, 2013 2:00 pm
and the klitschKOsPosted June 14, 2013 1:55 pm
KOVALEV trumps them all. kovalev by BRUTAL SKULL SMASHING. mathyse, ggg, and kovalev……….IN A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN.Posted June 14, 2013 1:55 pm
We all know kovalev will take decapitate everyone at light heavy and is the best light heavy. In fact lets watch him decapitate his next opponent tonight. Then he will decapitate his next opponent to become CHAMPION. Lets hope its hopkins melon that gets smashed, but adonis or whoever is fine with me. even wardPosted June 14, 2013 1:54 pm
Stevenson IS smarter and more SKILLED than advertised. But he’s still LESSER than Ward until proven otherwise. Ward by UD.Posted June 14, 2013 1:52 pm
joseph` go ahead and comment man we all like any opinions put forth but you gotta understand your gonna get cats ready to counter certain things thats said by whoever post on this site so try not to take it too personal my man ,that’s what we do on here is go blow for blow ,it’s all good…….yezzzir!Posted June 14, 2013 1:44 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Joseph, your insider insight is much appreciated, thank you…Posted June 14, 2013 1:42 pm
You know, Supreme Court…this is one of the reasons why I don’t chat on the comment board more often.
I appreciate the great fight fans who listen to my show and read my articles, but can’t stand it when someone tries to verbally spar with me when I’m merely trying to share some boxing insider information.
I’m simply trying to let everyone know that Adonis’s ring IQ is much higher than most realize, I get several posters trying to debate with me on this as a result.
Guys, I’m just trying to inform…he’s been improving technically with each outing since he began training under the tutelage of the late, great Emanuel Steward several years ago and now Sugar Hill.
I’m telling everyone that there is a reason why Adonis was able to catch Bad Chad so quickly. If you don’t believe me, ask anyone who he has sparred with…Johnathon Banks, Jameel McCline, Andy Lee, K9 Bundrage , Edwin Rodriguez, Donovan George, and many other world class fighters.
If you guys don’t want me to share any more information with you, then I won’t comment on here any longer…it’s up to you guys!!Posted June 14, 2013 1:36 pm
Herron, This is about analytical capability, it is about reasoning…
Supreme court, do you want me to give you my name and address?
You’re asking for a source…dude, I’m an industry insider and I find it insulting that you’re asking me to site another writer’s statement on the matter.
Why don’t you call into my show, “The Pugilist KOrner”, and ask elite level trainer Ronnie Shields…a personal friend of mine who has a regular segment on my Sunday night program.
It begins at 9PM EST and is promoted on ESB. The number is 718-506-1506.
Hope to hear from you!!Posted June 14, 2013 1:19 pm
Sorry…Archie MoorePosted June 14, 2013 1:04 pm
Ward is too smart and too skilled for Stevenson. If he wants to keep his Title, he should leave Ward alone. He can’t beat Ward.Posted June 14, 2013 12:58 pm
Oh my goodness, Supreme Court!! Are you serious? Now listen up…I’ll break it down for you.
He knocked out the universally recognized Light Heavyweight Champion, and became the universally recognized Light Heavyweight Champion as a result.
He is the lineal champion at 175. It’s not up for debate. Now saying that Adonis is the best at Light Heavyweight is a mere opinion and you can debate that all day long. But the truth that Stevenson is the Champ at 175 pounds is irrefutable.
Do you understand now? Adonis’s accomplishment is much more important than just winning a mere title. He beat the fighter, who beat the fighter, who beat the fighter, who beat the fighter, etc.
He’s the lineal champion which makes Adonis the heir to the same title carried by the great Achie Moore…he’s the lineal champion at 175 lbs.
Do you understand now?Posted June 14, 2013 12:56 pm
sorry : did askPosted June 14, 2013 12:52 pm
I APPLAUD Stevenson for offering to come to the KINGDOM of Oakland. He has more BALLS than Froch who didn’t say NO about coming to Oakland. He said HECK NO!!! Oakland is the home of beatdowns. Kessler says that I am CORRECT on that. Stevenson is a BRAVE man.Posted June 14, 2013 12:51 pm
IF he’s willing to come to Oakland like a MAN then Ward should take the Fight. NO one else has as much to bring to the table. Time to join the ranks of guys like Mayweather and Broner who hold titles in TWO weight classes showing that SKILLS is more important than SIZE….Ward has been on record saying that he wants to face Chavez Jr. but Martinez already took the shine OFF him. Stevenson is the logical opponent. Ward by UD.Posted June 14, 2013 12:48 pm
Soliloquy ?Posted June 14, 2013 12:19 pm
I’m not annointing anyone, Sr Edmond…just pointing out that Adonis is a much more technically proficient fighter than most realize. Just ask Chad. Ask yourself…how was a crude banger able to set up a hard right cross without one of the more technically proficient boxers in the sport seeing it?
Remember my words, brother…Adonis will give everyone he faces a lot of trouble…even in loss. Because he’s a much better technical fighter than everyone realizes.Posted June 14, 2013 11:59 am
Ward all the way @168 and even @175.Posted June 14, 2013 11:59 am
Joseph we disagree, I did not see anything technically special about Stevenson hes a strong, hard hitting fighter but Ward has handled his BEST opponents PROVEN World Class opponents with the GREATEST of ease… He had an EASY night with Kessler when he was a GREEN fighter and Kessler did not disgrace himself in there with Calzaghe… Froch is tough with solid power and Ward used him up…. Remember Ward was the guy who showed Dawson could be knocked out and stopped NOT Stevenson who’s followup was commendable but hey you are entitled to your opinion.. I have seen these John the Beast Mugabi Types get taken badly when faced with someone who REALLY understands the art of boxing ie Terry Norris taking Mugabi OUT…. Time will tell… But annointing a guy who beat a freshly knocked out Dawson seems hasty in my estimation…Posted June 14, 2013 11:51 am
Stevensons win was impressive and a true upset by overstating his value is NOT gonna fly… He was getting Dawson after he came of a fight where he was UTTERLY dominated by Andre Ward… I don’t want to bash his win because it was quick and emphatic but Dawsons stock was LOW after the GREAT SOG forced him to QUIT…Chad is a fighter in crisis and the most interesting thing going on is betting on who his NEXT trainer will be…. Annointing Stevenson seems premature to me, I could see Pascal or even OLD man Hopkins taking him out…Posted June 14, 2013 11:47 am
Sr Edmond, Adonis is much more than a crude banger and would give anyone at 168 and 175 a tough time…including Andre Ward.
Adonis has a much higher ring IQ than most realize…time will prove this. He’s one of the hardest pound for pound punchers in boxing and is a southpaw as well. He’s a beast in the ring for anyone.
Stevenson deserves a lot more credit than most are willing to give. i hope he gets the opportunity against Ward…because win or lose, Adonis will silence his naysayers by doing much better than expected against one of the P4P best.
Watch the fight with Dawson again and pay attention to the way he sets up the home run shot with footwork, feints, and jabs to the body. He is a much smarter fighter than most think…just ask Dawson.Posted June 14, 2013 11:46 am
Problem with Stevensons proposal is even though he came up from 168 and flattened Dawson when Ward takes out this CRUDE banger in easy fashion the EXCUSES are gonna start flying like nobodies business… Ward can move to 175 when he is ready the focus on GREAT multi-division Champions has made us forget that many of the GREATEST in history made their names by REALLY cleaning out ONE division the way that Hops and Hagler did…Besides there are NOT many really big players at 175 at this point, its almost assured that Ward will get there but he should do it in his own time…Its tough because relative to himself he has marginalized the competition at 168 ie Froch and Kessler who are World Class Combatants that looked inept in the ring against a TRUE elite fighter as did Chad Dawson nothwithstanding the pathetic worship of EXCUSES practiced by ESB’s WORST elements….Stevenson proposing multi-weight rematches might seem like a good fiscal decision but rematches should be the result of upsets, controversies, close fights or extremely good bouts in the event of a wipeout whats REALLY the point???Posted June 14, 2013 11:37 am
Andre has nothing more to prove at 168 pounds. he is the universally recognized 168 pound champion, and has fought and beaten the recognized best in the division.
I would like to see him move up to 175 pounds to become a two division champion.
The only things lacking from his P4P resume are scalps from other weight classes. Other than that, there really aren’t very many challenges for Andre left in the sport.
No one should question Andre’s mental and physical toughness…that’s ridiculous. But, it’s fair to criticize his fight style if it’s not to your liking. Andre is an ultra effective athletic specimen, but his grappling style of mauling the majority of his opponents aren’t very appealing to a lot of fight fans.
What makes some fight fans somewhat resentful of the P4P fighter, is the fact that many fans and writers want to shove his fight style as technical brilliance down everybody’s throat.
His version of inside fighting is not technical brilliance and definitely isn’t very aesthetic. It’s super effective, but so was John Ruiz’s hug and mug style of fighting.
Andre is a much better athlete and smarter fighter than a guy like Ruiz, but Ward is about as fun to watch as “The Huggy Man” John Ruiz!!
That’s why he’s still not a major ticket seller in America, despite all of his achievements.Posted June 14, 2013 11:18 am
WOOOHH`How in the world are you cats disrespecting Andre Ward like this ,i even heard somebody use that forbidden word (scared) Andre Ward is the gate keeper in his division just like Mayweather is at his division just like klits at his division just like rigo is in his division etc etc, please miss me with the hot garbage when its thrown you guys are being straight hypocrites for this one Andre Ward is the # 2 POUND 4 POUND fighter in the world today overrated, chiiilll-try under rated ..yezzzir!Posted June 14, 2013 10:59 am
Supreme Court, you don’t seem to understand the lineage of boxing if you’re questioning this. This is not my opinion…simply the way it is.
Adonis knocked out the universally recognized champion 175, thus became the universally recognized champion at 175.
Now is Adonis the best fighter at 175 pounds? That is debatable.
But Adonis Stevenson is the current and reigning Champion of the Light Heavyweight division.Posted June 14, 2013 10:43 am
murderman-you dont know ish about boxing. Ward would make stevenson look so stupid, while punishing him in the process.Posted June 14, 2013 10:36 am
fightin solves all
boxer- i totally agree with u!!! ward is the man, i really cant believe the disrespect he is getting on this site by the comments im seeing herePosted June 14, 2013 10:32 am
Read: What are your “universal” sourcesPosted June 14, 2013 10:29 am
Andre ward my man will smash Adonis Stevenson in Oakland or Barclays it don’t matter and him saying a rematch in his home town is pretty much saying ” after he beats me we’ll fight in my home town” and he’ll beat him again!Posted June 14, 2013 10:19 am
fightin solves all
lol tyler thats exactly what i was thinking too. he doesnt feel so confident about the first fight i guess lolPosted June 14, 2013 10:15 am
Tyler, it’s very simple…
Why wouldn’t Adonis want the biggest money fight in the Super Middleweight division twice, win or lose?Posted June 14, 2013 10:11 am
Kind of sounds like he’s assuming he’ll lose at 168. Why would you want a rematch at 175 if you won at 168?Posted June 14, 2013 9:46 am
Ward will make it Oakland twice take it or leave itPosted June 14, 2013 9:30 am
After the Bellew fight in 2011, don’t expect the “kid gloves” to disappear concerning Frank Warren and his treatment of Nathan Cleverly.
Frank does this from time to time…look how long he kept a real badass like Joey Za Za in the closet. Everyone outside of the UK really missed out on some great Calzaghe performances because of the Warren treatment. Let’s hope he doesn’t wait as long to unleash Cleverly against the top fighters in the division.
You’re absolutely right about Bellew, by the way. He definitely deserves to be mentioned among the best fighters in the division…forgive me for leaving him out of my previous post.
As far as the “confusion” at 175, there shouldn’t really be any at this time.
Adonis won the universally recognized Light Heavyweight championship when he beat the man, who beat the man, who beat the man.
The other title holders in the division are exactly that…title holders. I can’t wait to see Adonis Stevenson fight the best at 175 though. The Light Heavyweight division has the potential to be the sleeper class of boxing in 2014, if the new blood of the division gets the exposure they deserve.Posted June 14, 2013 7:20 am
The man currently at 175 lbs. is Adonis Stevenson, just like Danny Garcia is considered to be the man at 140 lbs. Because of the lineage of the division and the line of succession, Adonis adopted that role when he beat the man, who beat the man, who beat the man.
He is the number 1 guy at 175 right now.
I recognize all of the title holders in the Light Heavyweight division, but that’s merely what they are right now…title holders. Adonis is the universally recognized Light Heavyweight Champion.
Concerning Tony Bellew, how can you not love seeing Tony fight?
Of course he’s a player in the division, forgive me for not mentioning him. He’s got a great amount of physical and mental toughness and would be a tough outing for anyone because of his level of confidence. But until he improves his defense, The Bomber would get KO’d by the big punchers in the division like Stevenson, Kovalev, and Cloud.
As far as Cleverly being protected, Frank Warren has a history of keeping his potential stars and big money makers close to the vest. Look how he kept a real badass like Joey Za Za in the closet for years when Calzaghe could have easily cemented his legacy long before the Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler bouts.
After the Bellew scare in 2011, you’re absolutely right about Cleverly being somewhat protected. But, he’ll have his time sooner or later. I really like Nathan and think he has the potential to be a big star in boxing.
I really think this new crop of 175 pound fighters could make it a “must see” division in 2014 when these match-ups finally mature!!Posted June 14, 2013 7:04 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Joseph: The only reason why there’s no money with WBO titlist Nathan Cleverley is because Frank Warren constantly holds him back. WBA champ Beibut Shumenov(Kazakstan) offered him a unification fight on neutral ground (USA) & Warren turned it down. The situation @175Lb is in utter confusion right now & until unification takes place no one knows who’s the 100% #1!
Also, look for Beibut Shumenov to replace Murat in a unification bout at 175 on Showtime!!Posted June 14, 2013 6:00 am
If Ward, Hopkins, or Froch don’t want to face Adonis Stevenson to close out 2013, which is unfortunately a good possibility, his biggest money option would be to invite Mikkel Kessler for a shot at his 175 pound title, or a rematch with Bad Chad if Dawson would be willing.
There is no big money in the Light Heavyweight division otherwise available.
Jean Pascal and Adonis Stevenson are stable mates and GYM doesn’t want to go there just yet. Pascal is obligated to face Lucian Bute in December anyway. There’s just no demand or money in fights with Tavoris Cloud, Nathan Cleverly, Beibut Shumenov, or anyone else at Light Heavyweight at this point in time. All other match-ups would have to be cultivated or nurtured for the big dollars that Stevenson and GYM are looking for.
Luckily, due to the spectacular result of his previous performance, HBO will more than likely be willing to approve a pairing with any of the top fighters at 168 and 175. But the biggest money fights reside with men who probably won’t be willing to fight Adonis.
Don’t forget about facing the winner of the Rodriguez/Grachev million dollar event on July 13th. HBO really likes Edwin Rodriguez…he also has a history with Adonis Stevenson in the amateurs. That would be a decent money option at 175 or 168 as well that most haven’t really discussed.
Adonis would be wise to stay far away from Sergei Kovalev until HBO has a chance to nurture the match-up…look for that fight to materialize in 2014 if both men can stay in their winning ways.Posted June 14, 2013 5:58 am
Mick the Marmalizer
It may well be Ward’s only option if a return with Froch in the UK don’t come off. Even though he’s been inactive Ward is still the 100% #1 in the World @ 168Lb & unless he was to take on Stieglitz in Germany then there’s not a lot out there for him to ca$h in on. Thomas Oostuizen, George Groves & James DeGale are about 12-18 months away from serious challenges, so in a way Stephenson’s idea is not so bad. The only trouble maybe getting Ward to fight in Canada @ 175Lb in the return.Posted June 14, 2013 5:27 am
jab jab grab
I agree bro,overrated hypo job that if doesn’t fight Stevenson has been exposed.Posted June 14, 2013 5:10 am
Head Butts and Holds
Ward don’t want to fight. He was scared of Pavlik and faked an injury. Ward was too scared to fight Bute and his hype. Froch needed to man up and expose Bute. Ward started the whole world laughing, but he couldn’t see, the world was laughing at he.Posted June 14, 2013 4:24 am
Ward dont want it with stevenson! Ward is a lil over rated.Posted June 14, 2013 4:13 am
If he fights Ward in Oakland.. then he might have second thoughts putting his Lightweight Title on the line in the rematch.. Ward Will leave the 175 title to the old man to retrieve.. Hopkins will see Stevenson soon enough..Posted June 14, 2013 3:57 am