The Last TARK was a troll… Barkley beat Hearns’s ass TWICE…
But the much BETTER middleweights — such as Michael Nunn, Sumbu Kalambay, Nigel Benn, and James Toney, who kicked BARKLEY’S inept butt all over the ring — were ducked by the cherry-picking Hearns.Posted June 23, 2013 10:47 am
It’s Me, Ernie
The Blade destroying Darrin Van Horn to get the IBF title was awesome…Posted June 22, 2013 11:05 am
Barkley had TommyHearns style plain and simple Barkley was a scrapper nothing pretty but was willing to take Hearns jab right hand and go right for the chinny chin chin very if any fighters will fight that style of fight .Posted June 22, 2013 10:33 am
FISH EYES, WHY did JOE CALZAGHE twice brick it and pull out of challenging ROAD WARRIOR GLEN JOHNSON at Light Heavy?????
He knew Glen was stronger than he and would keep pace with him for 12 rounds as he had with trilogies at 175 with our own CLINTON WOODS and Julio Gonzalez (RIP)
JOHNSON also had the power to knock him out if he landed cleanly….
Joe cried off with a bad back, twice!
I can only read body language when I see it in front of me….
I am not a clairoyent!…. I can only comment on what I see… and what I saw stank!Posted June 22, 2013 7:35 am
FISH EYES, your mate ANTONIO TARVER was fresh off posing as a Heavyweight with his fat belly hanging over in ROCKY BALBOA…. He boxed as though he were walking through tar when he faced Hopkins and possibly didn’t win one second of any of the rounds!!!
Why he had to bulk up to play Heavyweight champion is beyond me!!!
Your view that Joe just got up and carried on is false. He could dod nothing for the first 4 rounds with B-Hop and throughout the bout he did not land one punch of significance flush! Not one!
His punches were of the pitty pat variety and many should not have been scored as they were neither effective or of the solid variety!
I will never forget his father screaming at him between rounds for the last few sessions (swearing at him to be accurate), that he was losing the fight and effectively had to win the last 3 rounds by a landslide to win!
I personally think it was a DISGRACE taht if I remember correctly DUANE FORD could score the bout 117-111 to Joe! Total disgrace and was one of the people who debated this bout on the old SETANTA website…. How Joe won by this margin is baffling when he was on the floor and did nothing for the first 4 rounds! Nothing….
I am NOT a fan of B-Hop, who I felt cheated against Winky Wright, with elbows and use of the head, so I had an objective view on his bout with Joe – who I thought would easily handle B-Hop as JOE CAZAGHE in all honesty has been a Light Heavyweight, who with the advantage of 24-36 hour weigh-ins competes at 168 lbs, whereas Bernard was a career Middleweight!!!!
I was shocked at how poor Joe was and how easy Bernard handled him before he seemed to gas around the 7th…..
Joe looked nothing more than a novice, who has loads of stamina and can pump out pitty pat piston shots that do nothing!Posted June 22, 2013 7:31 am
Barkley, most people do not care if you fought Robbie Sims or James Kinchen They only care that you fought Hearns and Duran, because those two men were great. If you talk about Robbie Sims or anyone else, it does not matter. If Sims was the harder fight, why were you in the hospital after the Hearns rematch? That speaks for itself.Posted June 22, 2013 7:18 am
It’s Me, Ernie
The Marvelous one goes down as one of the top middleweights of all time. Sports Illustrated named him the most conditioned athlete in the world at one time. He was always ready and gave it his all. Highly skilled and conditioned, he for the most part just outlasted his opponent, picking them apart piece by piece then finishing them off in great fashion. Greatness…Posted June 21, 2013 9:30 pm
TJ.. “When was the last time Hopkins floored anyone before he floored Joe and Jones Jnr too”???? …
Two fight prior to fighting Calzaghe, when he fought Tarver, thats when..
What good did the Calzaghe knockdown do Hopkins anyway? Calzaghe just jumped straight back up and carried on as if nothing had happened, he never took a backwards step or looked in any trouble at all. At the end of the round Emanuel Steward said other than for the knockdown Calzaghe might have done enough to win it. During the slow motion replay of the knockdown Jim Lampley commented on how Hopkins moved fowards, with the shoulders tangled after throwing the punch to make sure Calzaghe went over.
If you want to say Tarver only touched the canvas with his glove when he want over versus Hopkins, fair enough, say it (Because I can see that one coming from a mile away).. Truth is though, Tarver was a lot more bothered by that knockdown than Calzaghe ever was. Hopkins stunned Tarver with the same clubbing right hander seconds before the knockdown clubbing right hander.. Both of those shots made Tarver’s legs go stiff. Then Hopkins beat Tarver up for the rest of the round. Can you spot the difference?
TJ.. “I know about body language and he was covering his mouth as he baulked about his unbeaten record and how he would’ve shooled Collins and Froch….”
How did you read Collins “body language” when he was due to defend his title versus Calzaghe, then only a few weeks prior to the fight, Collins decided to retire instead? hence Eubank stepping in? How did you read Froch’s “body language” last year, when Calzaghe and Froch were both guests on the Sky Sports Ringside show? When they were standing in a boxing ring face to face together and asked who would beat who? Froch said he would have to win by KO, otherwise he would have been outworked and
Right on that guys….Y ou watch Hagler’s slow-poke fight with old beaten up Bennie Briscoe, who Rodrigo Valdez KO’d with one punch… Then you watch Hagler’s slow-poke fight with Marcos Geraldo who was knocked out 10 times previously… Then you watch the short little pudgy Duran catching Hagler with right leads in another pokey fight… Then you see the wide open Mugabi catching Hagler with stupid stuff that wouldn’t hit James Toney in the rear end… Then you see Leonard connecting with a flurry of punches at Hagler’s face for 25 seconds, with no counter from Hagler…
From there you can figure out what Carlos Monzon would have done to Hagler with his searing jab and devastating right handers.
Can you imagine Duran fighting Carlos Monzon??? … When told Vinny Pazienza was fighting Roy Jones, Duran said, “He’s an idiot. Jones will kill him.”Posted June 21, 2013 4:04 pm
Monzon is a great fighterPosted June 21, 2013 3:39 pm
TJ…. In my veiw Hagler never beat a natural middleweight who was a real good boxer..
Carlos Monzon slaughtered Jose Napoles, a master boxer, when Napoles went up in weight.. Hagler barely beat Duran, who fought almost 70 fights as a lightweight, in pretty much an uneventful boxing match. In fact, Haglers match with Marcos Geraldo, who was KO’d 10 times previously, was uneventful. Leonard hadn’t fought for 3 years and came up from 147, and whether you agree or not, Ray beat Hagler.
Toney, Jones, Hopkins, Monzon, Valdez, Griffith, even Martinez, were better and faster boxers than Marv.Posted June 21, 2013 1:21 pm
Also Tommy Hearns punches bounced off of Haglers forhead at full force and Hagler just pounded his own face and kept coming coward. That was an awesome performance and fight.Posted June 21, 2013 12:44 pm
Hagler was the best blue collar fighter I’ve seen. He could fight in either stance had power in both hands, was as tough as they come and had a granite chin. He didn’t get his recognition until he started fighting blown up Welters. He never pondered the thought of fighting M. Spinks but he couldn’t wait to get a crack at little Leonard. By the way I saw that fight as a draw, Havler should have retained his titles….Posted June 21, 2013 12:40 pm
shaun the god
calzaghe beat kessler with ease.. come on.Posted June 21, 2013 11:55 am
It’s Me, Ernie
Actually, anybody that has been around this site for a while doesn’t give a rat’s ass what Tard thinks, especially when it comes to the ATG’s such as the Marvelous one…Posted June 21, 2013 11:44 am
Do you consider MARVELOUS MARVIN to be an all-time great and perhaps one of the best three Middleweight Champions in history after the great CARLOS MONZON and SUGAR RAY ROBINSON?Posted June 21, 2013 10:37 am
TJ…. That’s was a great post and rundown on Calzaghe’s career.
Calzaghe definitely avoided top prime fighters… Was floored by MItchell, Hopkins, and Jones… Was tagged with hard uppercuts by Kessler and lost rounds to him — while Ward, only 20 fights into his career, shut the inept Kessler out, completely outboxed him, and was never hit with a threatening punch before the fight was stopped due to the beating Kessler was taking.Posted June 21, 2013 10:37 am
You’re comparing apples and oranges.
Benn was a better fighter than Barkley… But it doesn’t follow he shouldn’t have been DQ’d in their fight.. That’s a matter of conduct, and appropriate consequences for not following rules.. Benn was out of control. He flat out didn’t go to a neutral corner after he floored Barkley by the ropes, and hit him as he was getting up. The referee was grappling with him.
After he knocked Barkley down again, Barkley was on his hands and knees on the canvas.. Benn smashed him in the head while he was down. The fight is on YouTube … so check out the facts yourself.
But if Benn got a shot at Hearns, he probably would have knocked him out—just like Barkley knocked Hearns out. I believe Nunn, Kalambay, Toney, and McCallum would have stopped Tommy as well.
You may not have been around in those days. What I find so hypocritical is people always accusing Mayweather of ducking tough fighters—and saying Leonard, Hearns, and De La Hoya fought everybody who was anybody—which is turning reality on its head.Posted June 21, 2013 10:24 am
Actually in the Mitchell fight he got help from the ref for an early stoppage. I think he was gonna win by KO anyways but he got an early stoppage. And no, nobody was scared to fight him. He never came to America till the end of his career fighting an older Hopkins and Roy Jones. Those are factsPosted June 21, 2013 10:19 am
“My opinion is that Floyd would never last 15 rounds against Hearns at Welter or JM if he was around and prime in the same era as he was.” No doubt. When was the last time Floyd fought a really tall oppenent with the kind of reach and speed that Hearns had? Not to mention power. Floyd is even two inches shorter than Ray Leonard was and has two inches less reach than Ray. Floyd wouldn’t be able to cope with Tommy’s physical advantages over him–five inches in height and six inches in reach. Nope. Tommy would keep him at the end of his jab and pick him to pieces.Posted June 21, 2013 10:06 am
“But Bob Arum saw to it that I never got the glory, the money, the respect that I wanted after that fight.” Good ole Bob Arum….Posted June 21, 2013 9:57 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Barkley´s absolute peak was when he beat Hearns for the first time, in 1988.Posted June 21, 2013 8:33 am
Barkley sounds brokePosted June 21, 2013 8:14 am
I WATCHED JOE sitting opposite likes of EUBANK, STEVE COLLINS, WOODHALL and CARL FROCH going on about how great he was….
I know about body language and he was covering his mouth as he baulked about his unbeaten record and how he would’ve shooled Collins and Froch….
That is a sign of lying or self-doubt, when you cover your mouth when speaking….
The only reason he chased a geriatric ROY JONES was to try and legitimise his record.
Let’s put this plain and simple. ROY JONES was WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT Champion BEFORE Joe had even turned professional!!!!! Kind of puts things into perspective!!!!!
ROY would’ve killed Joe and so too James Toney and Mike McCallum…. These old schoolers would’ve taken him down and put him out….
When was the last time Hopkins floored anyone before he floored Joe and Jones Jnr too????
Guys, please watch the bout vs REID again and see how easy Joe was to hit and even his first 7 rounds with KESSLER he was so easy to hit!!!!Posted June 21, 2013 7:50 am
TARK and I went back and forth for more than 200 comments re TOMMY HEARNS on another thread about 3 or 4 months back and he went on and on and on about how poor MARVELOUS MARVIN HAGLER was…. He eeven baulked at him retiring when he was around 32/33 years old, not realising this was nearly 30 years ago, when things were very different for all people in sports and we aged earlier than we do these days!!!!
Speak to TARK and tell him HAGLER was an ALL TIME GREAT and you will be surprised at how little he regards the MARVELOUS ONE!!!!Posted June 21, 2013 7:42 am
Barkley’s ability to bang was greater then his ability to box , but I never saw him in a boring fight ! some of his fights are classics. Duran, Sims , Hearns. I also felt that his fight with James Kinchen was quit entertaining. I was trilled to meat Iran in Canastota N.Y. a couple of weeks ago. he was kind enough to let me have my picture taken with him, and give me his autograph. nice little gem for the collection.Posted June 21, 2013 6:43 am
TJ says “Why did he tell the world he was scared of flying in order to avoid a prime LIGHTS OUT, SECOND TO NUNN and SUPERMAN ROY JONES?????” exactly sir, but he had NO PROBLEMS flying out there when they were WAY past their prime, funny aint it.Posted June 21, 2013 5:25 am
TJ Agreed bro, Calslappy beat NO ONE of note in their prime, as you say Robin Reid beat him and got robbed but hey ho everyone thinks he’s great because of his unbeaten record,he says himself that Jeff Lacy was his best victory and a past it Chris Eubank was his toughest fight,wtf he’s almost admitted not being great right there, not to be confused with Mayweather who beats champion after champion,that’s different to beating bum after bum a la Calslappy.Posted June 21, 2013 5:22 am
did i read that somebody said that hagler was not a good fighter ? who is this idiot ? hagler is my favourite fighter of all times – i have never seen him hurt (except may be in the first round wih hearns) and he was only floored once in the first round agnst roldan which he easily stopped after 10 rounds (and the only time he was floored he was not hurt at all was just a shot which caught him off balance)
Yosser Hughes was the greatest nutter of all times, but Ward did try to take Yossers title in the Kessler fight.Posted June 21, 2013 3:52 am
Hearns was beating Iran pretty good but got overconfident and forgot about defense thus he got nailed by a desperation haymaker from barkeley. During the second bout Hearns was too intimidated and lost a decision. however I wouldn’t say that Thomas couldn’t beat the blade. Hearns went on to intimidate Virgil Hill and win a dec. from him. My opinion is that Floyd would never last 15 rounds against Hearns at Welter or JM if he was around and prime in the same era as he was. Barkely-Duran was the fight of the year edified Roberto’s status
Butt you like a Billy goat.Posted June 21, 2013 3:39 am
yada, yada, beat everyone, no dubious decisions, fought away, no cheating tactics, grabbing, spoiling etc, just boxed and won, could fight the styles with all his styles, perfect.Posted June 21, 2013 3:30 am
46-0…. Have you seen the names CALZAGHE beat on his resume???
Hardly world beaters… The best of those are ROBIN REID (who was robbed by the judges – he couldn’t miss Joe’s nogging all nioght long with right hands), RICHIE WOODHALL (boring, boring fighter and boring commentator… so boring), CHRIS EUBANK (at the tale -end of his career, training for about at either Light Heavy or Cruiserweight and came in at a fortnight’s notice) , Joe was always going to outwork Chris….BYRON MITCHELL… whilst a decent puncher, he really was not a top fighter in any era
The only worthwhile name Joe fought in his prime was MIKKEL KESSLER, who took a body shot in the 8th or 9th and never really recovered.
My theory to why Joe didn’t give the Dane a rematch is because he knows things would’ve been a whole lot different in Denmark fighting Kessler infront of 20-30,000 of his own rabid fans. Mikkel was cracking Joe with solid hooks and right hands before he took that body shot and i believe he would have been better in a rematch as he would’ve worked out Joe’s style.
Joe refused to give rematches to KESSLER, REID and HOPKINS, who I believe beat him at Light Heavy….. Joe was scared he’d be worked out 2nd time around.
Hopkins, a career Middleweight was only just growing into the larger division and Roy Jones was shot to buggery when Joe beat him, so that is no great shakes.
JEFF LACY was a good win, but he was catapulted into stardom before he had really done anything and sad news I hear he is making another comeback at Light Heavy… Oh, dear!!!!
Joe was a good fighter in an era of mediocrity…. His rival SVEN OTTKE had the same 20 defences as Joe, beating better names, so that tells me the Super Middleweight Division was mediocre at best between 1997 and 2007….
If JOE was that great why did it take until the last two years of his career before he became a name????
Why did he appear on the undercards to real stars Ricky Hatton and Naseem Hamed for years, taking on the ferocious, future Hall of Famers list such as the likes of the unbeatable TUCKER PUDWELL, KIDFIRE McINTYRE and all the other Argentinians and South Americans no one can remember on his resume????
OMG, I saw all those so-called fights, which were boring as hell, and the opposition was rubbish (actually worse than rubbish)… this is teh real reason why it took Joe years and years to be recognised????
Don’t believe me???? Go back to your Ring Magazines and check eacjh YEAR BY YEAR assessments and RATINGS of all the fighters… We all knew about Joe, but it took him more than 10 years to break out into the public awareness and that is no joke!
Why did he tell the world he was scared of flying in order to avoid a prime LIGHTS OUT, SECOND TO NUNN and SUPERMAN ROY JONES?????
He waited until they were all long gone, nursing the WBO baubel against nobodies like MARIO VEIT….
Look at all the names on JOE’S record and can you really tell me the likes of a prime ROY JONES, JAMES TONEY and all would not have whupped them all??? Of course not…..
Joe beat a lot of nobodies and it can be argued perhaps he faced a handful of live opponents including THE HATCHET, Charles Brewer…..
Joe’s a good fighter, but not a great fighter IMHO! He’ll make the Hall of Fame, no doubt…
But, just think what would happen if you place Joe in his real division of Light Heavy in the period of GREAT Light Heavyweights in the period of 1979-1984???
The likes of MIKE SPINKS, MARVIN JOHNSON, MATT FRANKLIN, EDDIE GREGORY, YAQUI LOPEZ, BRAXTON….. the list goes on and aon and one….
He would not survive with his O in tact…. NO DOUBT…. For sure!!!!Posted June 21, 2013 3:20 am
six heads lewis
iraq the blade, take your head clean off, he was avoided.Posted June 21, 2013 3:09 am
They all avoided the prime Calzaghe, he was in his prime around the Mitchell fight, they did not want to know, top Boxers know.Posted June 21, 2013 2:59 am
Only if he could of fought them in there primePosted June 21, 2013 2:54 am
Calzaghe would of beat the blade, he would be known as the blunt blade after, Calzaghe just did not lose, beat them all, all styles, punchers, slicksters, Hopkins etc.Posted June 21, 2013 2:51 am
HEARNS was only a punch or two from knocking The Blade out, but walked onto one and teh rest as they say is history.
Hearns is my favourite boxer of all times and IMHO one of the most exciting fighters ever, coming out of the Kronk Gymnasium in Detroit (The best, bar none gym in the world)
TARK, Mike McCallum was part of the Kronk Gym set-up and left partly because Tommy got the fight with Duran, rather than himself…
I remember The Bodysnatcher outclassing Sean Mannion and knew he was a future Hall of Famer…. Yes, it’s true he didn’t get the big money fights at that stage of his career, but he should have been chasing Leonard in stead of Tommy…
I would diagree with you on Tommy ducking fights and Leonard liked to do everything on his terms or not at all – read into that what you may…..
Hearns is a Great and he never ducked anyone…. Just ask duran who took the whupping of his life.
We went back and forth over TOMMY HEARNS for over 200 posts a few months ago, so we’ve said as much as we can say about Hearns. But, I remember you stated that MARVIN HAGLER was a nothing fighter during those posts and now you add both the names of TOMMY HEARND and now SUGAR RAY LEONARD….
You’re a tough man to please because adding thses three to DURAN and BENITEZ and we have some of the best 5 fighters of any era to have faced one another, all disrespected by you….
TARK, you are a very harsh man!Posted June 21, 2013 2:35 am
Obvious you don’t know me so who really cares what you post.Posted June 20, 2013 9:45 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
He would consider that a reward Mongrel…Posted June 20, 2013 9:19 pm
Hearns had seven fights with HOF’ers. Including knocking out Duran and Cuevas, and being in the recognised most exciting fight of all time vs Hagler.
If he is protected then I don`t know who isn`t.
The Hitman is my favourite fighter of all time, you wanna smack talk him I`ll drop a dookie, grab a handfull of paper and give the backside a good wipe, then stick it on your forehead.Posted June 20, 2013 8:50 pm
Are you saying he demanded him to take the test, the same test he is having someone else take? Think before postingPosted June 20, 2013 8:49 pm
not all duckers quack
Hearns fought the best, Fraud demanded the best take the test.
Shame on you Pretty Boy.Posted June 20, 2013 8:22 pm
TARK going on about how Barkley lost to Benn, meanwhile on a Benn thread, TARK was going on about how Benn should have been disqualified v Barkley.. Same old TARK…Posted June 20, 2013 7:17 pm
As soon as I read the headline I knew TARK would be here talking his usual crap.Posted June 20, 2013 7:14 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Protected? You’re lost…Posted June 20, 2013 7:05 pm
Tark-What in the Hell are you talking about saying Hearns was protected? Sometimes saying nothing is better than saying something crazy!Posted June 20, 2013 6:26 pm
I always liked The Blade even though he beat my favorite fighter of all times (Hearns) twice. Bob Arum has always been a snake. Most promoters are snakes, but it’s funny that in the 80s everyone tried to make it seem like Don King was the only snake. A lot of Boxers left Don King and went to Bob Arum only to find out the truth the hard way.Posted June 20, 2013 6:23 pm
Barkley talks about being cheated out of fights by Bob Arum… But Iran got fights with Sambu Kalambay, Michael Nunn, Nigel Benn, James Toney, and Tommy Hearns… All those guys beat him except Hearns.
Let me say that again… Tommy Hearns was the ONLY ONE of those five (5) fighters who couldn’t beat Iran Barkley. Do you think the other 4 had a prayer of getting a fight with Tommy Hearns??? HELL NO!!!
Hearns was the most protected fighter of that era—other than Sugar Ray Leonard… None of the above could get a fight with Leonard either.
The MOST avoided fighter of Barkley’s era was Mike McCallum. Toney fought McCallum 3 times but everyone else but Kalambay avoided a prime McCallum like the plague—until he was 40 … when Roy Jones beat him on decision.Posted June 20, 2013 6:20 pm
I recall those boxing days of the late 1970s into the early 1990s when there were real killers in all weight classes. Lots of entertainment for these guys. Too often the story is the same with a fighter being broke after having earned so much money. There are exceptions such as Larry Holmes who owns most of Easton PA, and Leonard, Marciano and of couse, Mayweather.
It’s a shame, but whose fault is it really? It’s similar to people winning a lottery and then being broke. Someone, such as a Bob Arum type, should advise these guys to pay their taxes and then pay an investor to invest their money wisely. But if the values aren’t there, then any amount of cash will go down the drain.Posted June 20, 2013 6:17 pm
Thanks for the article James. Wow, if Iran didn’t come off badly in that interview. What is it with fighters, if that was my belt that needed collecting I would be out there or get someone out there to collect it, for real. If someone paid me half a mill at my chosen profession I would be delighted. Iran was a champion, he doesn’t even seem to proud of it. Sad but hey, we was a serious warrior back in the day.Posted June 20, 2013 5:49 pm
Sorry but I reject the notion he deserves something more (in the form of a pension) simply because of his ring ‘sacrifices’. The man made huge sums of money at his CHOSEN profession and did not manage it properly. Period.Posted June 20, 2013 5:24 pm
BTW Cuddy and Chucky say hello BladePosted June 20, 2013 5:23 pm
Listen Barkley was given more than one chance when he was down and out in the 90s living back in the bronx with his mom crying how he had nothing to show for beating Hearns and Duran Arum gave him a shot at champion DarrenVanHorn at MSG and made millions with his rematch with Hearns and had some more good paydays no one told you to rent private jets and try to keep up with DonaldTrump spending $100s bills like they were monoply money like you use to brag only to come back to the bronx and cry robbery.Posted June 20, 2013 5:20 pm
Iran Barkley was an animal. He came to fight each and every time he stepped into the ring. Tommy Hearns had the same warrior mentality. Both guys gave fans their money’s worth, and win or lose, they gave 100%. Iran just happened to have the perfect style to beat the “Hitman.” Iran had a war with Duran also. Duran, as both these guys had was a warrior. I can’t say enough about the 1980′s fighting era. Real fighters with skills to match. Today’s fighters wouldn’t have stood a chance.Posted June 20, 2013 4:54 pm
It’s a shame that boxing don’t set up pensions for Champions like this…I heard Blade was homeless and for what he sacrificed in the ring he should not be subject to that lifestyle regardless of what happened to his money he gained from boxing!Posted June 20, 2013 4:09 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
The Blade is bad ass…Posted June 20, 2013 3:59 pm