Blind MFers abound…Posted June 26, 2013 10:23 am
MALIGNAGGI WON 12 ROUNDS !!!! I JUST WATCHED THE FIGHT!!! BIG TIME ROBBEERY !!!!!!Posted June 25, 2013 7:08 am
Hearns was very easy to nail with right hands if you were an elite fighter… Barkley was a clumsy oaf—but he nailed Tommy to the floor and beat him TWICE…
Hearns ducked McCallum, Nunn, Toney, Benn, Reggie Johnson, and Kalambay … to fight losers like the flailing Barkley.
Barkley was a joke who couldn’t win a round off James Toney before getting his ass knocked out.Posted June 25, 2013 5:36 am
True, Ernie. With Hearns it was kinda like pick your poison. Get outboxed from the outside and busted up or go onthe attack and absorb a beating just to get to that chin. Barkley was tsking a vicious pounding to tje body and possibly a stoppage by hearns until he landed that homerun shot. In fairness to hearns, that shot which was thrown out of adrenaline and desperation would’ve dropped and put out a lot id other guys. To hus credit hearns actually got up from that. But he was dazed badly. The ref did the right thing. Still Tommy overall was some serious badass. In truth leonard stayed away till he thought hearns was shot. Hearns fkught like a champ that night. Even got rocked but still toufhed it out and hung on for a draw. Leonard to his credit shoeed his class andsaid Tommy won. A draw was a loss to him and he felt he and hearns were 1and 1. Those two old vets put on some fight that night.Posted June 24, 2013 6:21 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Never was a good idea to be only a counter-puncher against Tommy…Posted June 24, 2013 4:57 pm
Yeah, Tommy was all kinds of problems for.wilfred. That jab and feinting that left to his chest to set up that right kept wilfred off balance and honest.Posted June 24, 2013 2:50 pm
Correction: when the man was on he was just as good as his contemporaries.Posted June 24, 2013 2:25 pm
Tark goodday champ. Always appreciate your viewpoints but I respectfully disagree with the broner analysis. These guys today aren’t of that caliber. Broner based on his very leaky defense and poor footwork would be a probable tko victim of wilfred. True wilfreds wide stance invited lead rights but that was misleading. Only top tier greats like ray, hearns, capitalized on that. Wilfreds counter punching was superb and he had serious snap on his punches. My only problem with wilfred was his lack of discipline which produced several shaky subpar performances.,Bumistake when tje man was ON, he was just as good as his contemporaries. Broner woukd be out of his league. He needs to really improve his game. Beating Paulie off of a split decision doesn’t quite cut mustard. Still good point about tje straight right. Peave and strength.Posted June 24, 2013 2:23 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Your ability to predict the exact outcome post-fight is absolutely astonishing, you should be proud.
Right…, My track record is pretty damned good, and my analysis is generally spot on.. I don’t make a pick without breaking down the styles and interplay.
I don’t always go with the favorite.. I had Donaire vs Darchinyan and Rigondeaux as the better bet vs Donaire. And Matthysse vs Peterson when Hopkins, Danny Garcia and a lot of pros where picking Peterson.Posted June 24, 2013 1:46 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
” I predicted Ray Leonard would knock Benitez out”, of course you did Tark…Posted June 24, 2013 1:32 pm
edd…. Benitez would never have beaten Broner. Anyone with a great right counter could nail Benitez. The guys who Benitez beat before he fought Ray Leonard weren’t talented.. Carlos Palomino and Antonio Cervantas were pretty limited.. I predicted Ray Leonard would knock Benitez out. Leonard had a terrific jab, great feints, and quick straight rights.. The KO took a while because Leonard was easy to hit himself.
Hearns would have KO’d Benitez if there were any good exchanges.. Hearns was a tempting target with his low left—but Benitez made it easy for Tommy by staying outside and risking very little.
Duran had one of his lackluster “no mas” fights versus Benitez—like Duran fought vs Laing and Sims. If Duran brought the same mental intensity he brought to the Moore and Barkley fights he would have KO’d Benitez. Benitez was done when he was 25.Posted June 24, 2013 12:31 pm
Paul Strauss is a good guy who’s accomplished more in a week than the likes of self proclaimed boxing guru Tark has in his pathetic lifetime.Posted June 24, 2013 12:25 pm
The Maurice Hope fight is a prime example of what I’m talking about with benitez in fine form.peace a.d strength.Posted June 24, 2013 11:16 am
Edd,truth to tell out of all the fighters from that Golden era of boxing from the late seventies and the eightees, benitez fascinated me the most because of the science that he brought to the ring at his oeak years. They were all special. Just that Benitez was like watching fred Astaire mixed with Emile griffith. Sime style he had brother.Posted June 24, 2013 11:14 am
Lionking what’s up champ. I do the Spartan workout that was used for the movie 300 three times per week . In between I skip rope and perform bodyweight exercises ,dips,pullups,weighted pushups flat, feet raised,planks and crunches. Im into the krag magog Israeli fighting system as well as jeet kun do. I love the discipline that the arts gives me. Boxing as well. Principles you can use in life . By the way who is Matthysse lined up for next?Posted June 24, 2013 10:59 am
Ed, goodmorning champ. Could not agree with you more about Benitez. Invredible talent and to win the welterweight title at 17 against Carlos Palomino, a class A fighter in his own right ,speaks volumes of the kind of unique talent that the Radar was at that time. So unfortunate that he allowed his lifestyle to erode later on that tremendous talent. But, MAN what a fighter before the downfall.Posted June 24, 2013 10:48 am
CARLOS EL GUAPO
Benitez would have no trouble with Broner. He had his radar. Don’t go by Wilfred’s later fights.Posted June 24, 2013 8:26 am
TARK, do you think Broner beats Alexander?Posted June 24, 2013 6:51 am
good article !!!Posted June 24, 2013 4:37 am
Broner in just follow the Floyd model. He does not have any connection with any kind of public. He need to play the villian role to get public attention. The comb escene is one of the more stupid escenes over a ring. I saw the fight resume, i will never spend more tha 5 minutes watching broner over the ring.Posted June 23, 2013 11:55 pm
Broner is a 3 división world champion. there is not a better way to show how much is actually the value of these titles: nothing. Nowadays a fighter can collect 4 or 5 world titles with a great promoter and the tv companies support.
It’s Me, Ernie
Benitez was a great, Broner is a clown…Posted June 23, 2013 10:27 pm
Good assessment. Broner may have been exposed. I can’t see him beating anybody half decent at 140 or 147. If Paulie’s punches weren’t hurting him, why was he so preoccupied with covering up? Looked like an idiot marching down Paulie but rarely letting go.Posted June 23, 2013 10:22 pm
Correction: Benitez compiled a record of 39-0 by the time he fought Ray Leonard in 1979 at the age of 21. TYVM.Posted June 23, 2013 10:09 pm
Tarkie boy, Benitez was 21 (1979) when he fought Sugar Ray Leonard, who was so much better than Broner will ever be. But more amazingly was Benitez that that was Benitez’ 40th career fight…….at just 21. If you followed the history of certain stand out fighters you would also be aware that Benitez if anything trained no more than one month, and that was not often. Average training for him was three weeks. To compile a record of 30-0 at 21 and being the youngest champion of any weight class is a record that stands today. No way Broner compares in any way to those of the great Wilfred Benitez, not by a longshot.Posted June 23, 2013 10:07 pm
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
spartacus 65: Hey what up, mano. I usually feel better after a good work-out, but wish that the endorphin-rush wouldn’t go away so quickly, I do a full-hour of cardio four days a week and weight-training the other three days. What type of training do you do at the gym?
Totally agree with you about Matthysse. I can’t wait to see him back in the ring — hopefully vs. Danny Garcia. That should be one heck of a great fight! I’d love to see Adrien “The Hype” Broner fight the winner of that match. Something tells me he would’ve get another gift-wrapped decision in that fight… LOL.Posted June 23, 2013 8:39 pm
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
Testing…Posted June 23, 2013 8:29 pm
Thanks sparty, lionking been a good informative discussion today. Rather enjoyed talking boxing with you all. Goodnight fellas. Til next time.Posted June 23, 2013 8:24 pm
Benitez won 3 titles at age 22 but was in the game much longer than Broner by that point… Broner is the first boxer in fistic history to win 3 world titles and remain undefeated at age 23.
Benitez was trashed at a very early age because he was easy to hit with straight punches.. He fought off his front foot and stuck his face into your punches and tried to slip everything.. Anybody with a great jab and straight right nailed the Hell out of him.. Sort of like Juanma Lopez ate Mikey Garcia’s straight shots in his last fight.Posted June 23, 2013 8:02 pm
Oscar de la HOya is TIRED of waiting for Floyds Viagra to take effect so he’s REPLACING Floyd with the Younger Boner.Posted June 23, 2013 7:58 pm
Lionking what’s up champ. Just getting back from a pretty good workout. Much peace and strength to you and the other fellas. Looking forward to seeing Matteysse back in action soon.Posted June 23, 2013 5:02 pm
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
Hidalgo, Spartacus 65 & Mayweather86 are right on the money with their scoring and analysis. I watched the fight three times and came away with same result each time:
In addition, Broner should’ve been penalized for kneeing/kicking in the ring and some of his other dirty tactics. With a one point deduction, I come out with a score of 115-112 for PM. I’m being 100% honest and objective with my scoring and analysis.
Peace and strength to you, brother Spartacus 65.Posted June 23, 2013 4:46 pm
Gonzo the Dragonborn
I wish I was blinded by the hate I have for Broner because then I wouldn’t have to see his stupid ugly retarded toad face ever again.Posted June 23, 2013 3:09 pm
AS I said before and will say AGAIN Broner won by split decision just as I predicted. I SAW a 12 Round SHUTOUT but knew It would be a split because of some HOMETOWN COOKING for Paulie but At the end of day SKILLS and POWER are better than MISSED flurries and pitty pat SLAPS. I remain the GREATEST fight prophet ever born!!!Posted June 23, 2013 2:48 pm
Adrien Broner won this fight hands down. The fight is scored on effective scoring punches not pitty pat punching that have no effect whatsoever. Had the fight not been on Showtime (Malignaggi’s co-workers and friends with biased commentary), not held in Malignaggi’s home town with pro Malignaggi fans, there would not have been controversial comments by fans. Apply professional boxing scoring and watch the fight without volume, you will see a Broner wipe out.Posted June 23, 2013 2:46 pm
Junio ,youre right this business model is outdated.Boxers get skrewed bigtime(most of them).Human Rights organisations should investigate.No Jessie Jackson ,you cant join HR investigation.Need Judge Goldstone ,hed do good job.Jose ‘long fingers’Sulaiman and cronies would have to wear ‘brown trousers’ ,cos lotsa ‘monkey business’ going on.Posted June 23, 2013 2:23 pm
Much Peace and strength.Posted June 23, 2013 2:19 pm
Hidalgo,anonymous,Mayweather 86,loinking, adrian,junio and others, DAMN feklas thanks for keeping it about boxing. Serious. When its about what it should be the conversations are really cool and informative. I learn ,you guys learn something and it makes for a damn good thing. Once again thanks gentlemen. Mucg peave and strength.Posted June 23, 2013 2:15 pm
Indeed spartacus 65. My score didn’t reflect any deductions. In instances where points could have and shoulda been deducted . Scorecard would have been 115-111Posted June 23, 2013 2:08 pm
Hidalgo,Mayweather 86, yes the fight was VERY close. Had the referee did his job, Paulie would’ve gotten a split decision or at least a draw. Paulie DOES have a reason to gripe. That 117_110 score screamed incompetent at best. Very similar to the score one judge had ib favor of ray Leonard in his bout with Hagler.Posted June 23, 2013 2:00 pm
I’m not too familiar with all the stories as far as details but Cus D’Amato way back came out against corruption and that’s when the Mafia was involved.
And then you can go even further back. It’s bad. It’s always been bad.Posted June 23, 2013 1:59 pm
Sadly, yes this has been going on since the beginning. Its just that now its more blatantly glaring. No, allow me to correct that. During Don kings Heyday as a promoter his unholy alliance with WBC president jose suliaman ushered in some truly HORRIBLE decisions AND sabotage of fighters careers.Posted June 23, 2013 1:54 pm
Agreed hildalgo. I was seeing much of the same as you last night and I don’t believe my card will change this afternoon. Broner could never seem to hurt paulie when he did catch him. Broner let paulie dicate the pace and didn’t seem to understand he was the challenger last night not the champion. He have next to no effort in championship rounds and that cost him the fight on my card.Posted June 23, 2013 1:49 pm
I really shouldn’t even say “current” as this has been going on since the start.Posted June 23, 2013 1:41 pm
Paulie spoke out on the current business model that is ruining boxing. He spoke out against the collaborators. Those that are all to willing to accept certain things in order to get financial reward.Posted June 23, 2013 1:40 pm
Broner reminds me a lot of SOG. He’s not quite as slick as Ward at not getting called for head butts and elbos – but he’s pretty close. He was even slick enough to throw a knee without getting called on it. Not being critical of either of these fighters – if they’re clever enough to pull off these tactics without getting penalized – I say go for it and why not?Posted June 23, 2013 1:38 pm
“Everybody saying PM should’ve won last night are blinded by the hate they have for this kid…” Why don’t you take a long walk off a short pier?Posted June 23, 2013 1:30 pm
“I applaud it because Paulie has a lot to lose…especially his T.V. gig.” I don’t see what Paulie’s TV gig has to do with what he said post-fight. He didn’t dis Showtime. He dis’d the boxing system. He did’d Al Haymon. Paulie didn’t do anything to threaten his job with Showtime. He’s a boxer who lost when he shouldn’t have. He was understandably upset. Jim Gray is the a-hole. Not Paulie Malignaggi.Posted June 23, 2013 1:28 pm
I meant to say “Broner is the chosen one…”Posted June 23, 2013 1:25 pm
Q: I was saying it overall as Paulie has spoken out about Corruption for a while now. Others have too and they tend to get buried for it. I applaud it because Paulie has a lot to lose…especially his T.V. gig. Hopefully that won’t happen and I think Jim was trying to point that out that if you want to be on T.V. you tend to have to act like their puppet so be careful with letting your emotions getting the best of you. But Paulie was still threw that out the window and fought back.
The fight was close.
I thought Broner could have done a lot more to make it a clear win. He needs to be more busy. He is giving up rounds because he is not fighting. Defense does not win Championship…it helps put you into a position to win it. It’s offense that wins it as that’s how you score points.Posted June 23, 2013 1:25 pm
” I had the fight even after 10 rds, but gave 11,12 to paulie. 115-113 pm although I’m going to watch again today as I always do, but I don’t think ill change my mind.”
I did watch the fight again this morning, mayweather86. Carefully, without emotion, and I scored it almost the same as I did last night, but I still had Paulie winning. I tried to be very objective about it. But no matter how many rounds I gave Broner, Paulie still won the majority of them. He won the fight. Broner just didn’t throw or connect with that many punches. What? Just because Paulie wasn’t snapping Broner’s head back he wasn’t connecting? Paulie won the first four rounds by sheer work and connect rate. So what if they weren’t brain-stopping punches. Paulie did win the fight Mayweather86, but as I said earlier, Broner is the chose one, so Paulie wasn’t given the win. One thing for certain, Broner didn’t do enough to definitively take that title from Paulie. What did Broner do to Paulie? Not much. Didn’t rattle him, didn’t wobble him. And Paulie never “ran” as Broner claims he did. Paulie should have got the win. It was the slimmest of margins but he should have got it. Broner got himself a nice little gift last night.Posted June 23, 2013 1:24 pm
“SKILLS was more important than being acclimated to a certain weight class once again!!! ” Yeah, and Paulie demonstrated the majority of those.Posted June 23, 2013 1:17 pm
Q : pretty fair statement overall. I def think Broner was slower and much less powerful last night but that can be dismissed with the 12lb jump in class. I think he’s moving to fast up for his body to adjust quite yet and as u said I think he would regain some speed and pop at 140. Give him a chance for a couple career assesment fights as well, against Mathyesse, Garcia Khan etc. He’s gotta improve that footwork as well. Very stationary last night and u simply cannot do that against marquez,pacman, and floyd. He has good defense, but if u don’t move well enough your gonna get tagged. All in all he’s still very young and there’s plenty of time to improve. I hope he doesPosted June 23, 2013 1:17 pm
“if he’s going to say 117-111 was corruption, how about one of the judges giving him the fight? ” Watch the fight again, Q. That judge was way off on his scoring. There’s no way in hell that Paulie only won three rounds.Posted June 23, 2013 1:14 pm
SPARTACUS 65 : Junio = SredmondPosted June 23, 2013 1:12 pm
“were replaced during the middle rounds with Broner’s pinpoint power punching”
Strauss you better go back and watch the fight in slo-mo all the while counting how many power shots Broner actually connected with. Pinpoint? Yeah, once in a while. The way you talk you’d think Broner worked Paulie over, but he didn’t even rattle Paulie. Not once.Posted June 23, 2013 1:10 pm
Broner should be fighting at 140. At 147 he looked a lil slower and flat footed. I think he is too small to fight w the bigger ww. But at 140, broner vs mathysse! Hell of a fight!Posted June 23, 2013 1:06 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
I appreciate the poster who stated Wilfred Benitez was the first to become a three time world champ by the age of 23…Posted June 23, 2013 1:03 pm
Thugs like Jim Grey and Brandon Rios give a bad name to this great sport. That’s so trashy. Oh, and the Guerrero family. Smh… sad sad stuff.Posted June 23, 2013 12:56 pm
Junio: The only problem is that Paulie was speaking about corruption where there wasn’t any… or rather… if he’s going to say 117-111 was corruption, how about one of the judges giving him the fight? BWAHAHAHAH. Paulie was way out of it, his emotions got ahead of him. However, I don’t like Jim Grey telling him “are you sure you want to bite the hand that feeds you” ..that was so unprofessional and thuggish that I was shocked.Posted June 23, 2013 12:55 pm
Junio, goodday. You are right on the mark my friend. Fighters DO NEED TO SPEAK OUT in regards to the corruption that goes on in,this noblest of sports. Its a downright tragedy ,the stuff that is practiced behuns the scenes in the backrooms of the business side of boxing. YES, JIMGREY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A THOROUGHLY CONDESCENDING ,POMPOUS INDIVIDUAL. Nice observation my friend. Peace.Posted June 23, 2013 12:49 pm
broner was disappointing – broner was somewhat exposed – broner was noy very good but broner clearly won – anybody saying anything else is not very objective – i am not a broner fan but he wonPosted June 23, 2013 12:47 pm
I think Broner’s punch will be even more effective at 140 and he may be quicker. as it stands 5 of the top 10 P4P are at WW… BUT… a win against a Mathyssee…. is like a hallmark win…. although Judah has already been there done that in a close fight but legit win. Lucas has looked even more dangerous lately. Broner should take that fight…. Lucas doesn’t punch as much as what Paulie was doing… so Broner will be able to pick his shots more…. Broner was tapped a nice bit of times, jaja…. BUT… Paulie was flurrying for dear life…. thinking nothing but speed and taps, that’s why his punches seemed lighter than ever. These other guys aren’t going to be throwing 8 punch 2 second tap flurries… so Broner will be able to purely think more IMO. It was a clear win for Broner, and a good win moving up two weights against a man that has an iron chin. I’d say don’t buy too much into this bout as far as saying that Broner “isn’t ready for elite’s” jaja… because you’re kidding yourself. Malignaggi is an above solid fighter, with his own unique challenges. Broner doesn’t need to step down after that easy win… he needs to keep going…… he needs to fight another big name. He can fight a Garcia and the winner of Bradley/Marquez. He has a chance of losing, he’s not superman…. but… they’d be cool bouts. They’re all smaller 147ers.Posted June 23, 2013 12:46 pm
Gentlemen as you can see Q response speaks for itself and just underscores the point I was making. I respectfully rest my case.Posted June 23, 2013 12:40 pm
One other thing, whats with the racial stuff already? If a writer or fan makes a critic of broner automatically he or she is a card carrying memberof white supremacy? Really, time to let that cop out go. For those of you who like to have good exchanges of viewpoints that are done with respect, there are other more objective and really good boxing forums out there that does not practice bias. Take a look . Bleacher report is one of them. Peace and strength.Posted June 23, 2013 12:34 pm
Whatupdo. I wish soooooooo badly he would fight Floyd. You wanna talk about a whitewash. Broner gets hit so easily its not even funny. While it would be a snoozer were talking 120-108. 119-109. Ugly. If Broner wants to stay at 147 and we get to choose then I say bring on maidana, guerro, Bradley/marquez winner, berto/soto karass. Show me u can beat on of those fighters, I doubt it based on what I saw last night. I believe he should drop down to 140. Take on the bigger punchers with a little lower skill level. I guess we will seePosted June 23, 2013 12:25 pm
This bout proved one thing. Adrian Broner has a ways to go before he even thinjs about challenging the upper echelon fighters such as the likes of Matteysse etc.. Broner has to go back to school and learn the FUNDAMENTALS of boxing. Fortunately for him Paulie does not possess a punch. Broners footwork definitely needs a lot of improvement. Paulie has a valid reason to gripe. Had the referee deducted points for some of broners infractions, the ridiculous KNEE STRIKE, this bout could’ve very well been a draw at thr keast. The writer is a bit over the top in his description of broner but he isn’t far off the mark when describing broners obvious lack of class. Broner does have moments of clarity when he actually dies act decent but more often than not he avts really ignorant and truly buffoonish. He coukd take some lessons from Andre Ward and the Klitschkos on how to represent the sport and himself like a man with class and dignity. Leave the ghetto stuff where it belongs. In the trash can.Paulie? Enjoy your gig as a commentator. You do have insightful analyses and you did your best and that is nothing to be ashamed of. Peace and strength.Posted June 23, 2013 12:23 pm
I’m impressed that Broner can stay so calm all through the fight, great defense, however; he needs to start picking up the pace much earlier because he will lose a fight not to a fighter more skilled than him but someone who will be a good fighter that outworks him.
Broner is very good at countering when he wants to which is usually when the fighter slows down. But with his reaction time, his speed, and ability to throw short punches….Counter more and Picking up the pace earlier.
He can improve and if he does, WOW.Posted June 23, 2013 12:19 pm
The Prince: Oh, this cum guzzler used it to throw dirt at Floyd? bawajajajaj. Paul, your mom should have drank those two small drops of semen your dad let out that gave life to you. You’re trash.Posted June 23, 2013 12:17 pm
Everybody saying PM should’ve won last night are blinded by the hate they have for this kid… I see why, he’s 1000x more Mayweather ever was.Posted June 23, 2013 12:09 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
A Prophet wrote: “Tark you are drooling with semen as usual.” Outta both ends too…Posted June 23, 2013 11:44 am
SKILLS was more important than being acclimated to a certain weight class once again!!! CORRECTAMUNDO was CORRECT!!!Posted June 23, 2013 11:41 am
No surprise – Paul Strauss would use this fight as an opportunity to insult Floyd Mayweather.Posted June 23, 2013 11:34 am
Overall thoughts. Congrats to bika def most exciting fight of the night. Dunno how long he will last tho. Mitchell avenged his loss but man what a snoozer. Now onto the real debate. I come from the old school idea that you have to take the title from the champ. Broner didn’t quite do that for me. I took Broner to win easily, and ill be a man about it when I think I’m wrong. I had the fight even after 10 rds, but gave 11,12 to paulie. 115-113 pm although I’m going to watch again today as I always do, but I don’t think ill change my mind. Either way Broner wins by SD and on he goes, however he need be wary of the upper tier at 147. Think he’s gonna be in for a rude awakening after last night. Would rather see him drop back to 140 first and give himself time to adjust. And maybe look up the word class. That he clearly lacksPosted June 23, 2013 11:30 am
The El Paso Fight Prophet
Tark you are drooling with semen as usual.Posted June 23, 2013 11:24 am
Anyone can become a 3 division Champ when you cherry Pic the weakest Champ if this was 1980 when there was only WBA and WBC I doubt Broner would have ever captured a title. Broner to me beat the weakest link at 147 and will lose to the elite fighters of that division. Even damage goods Victor Ortiz or Lamont Peterson will beat him.Posted June 23, 2013 11:02 am
This writer says…, “One wonders if there’s a worthwhile thought that passes through Broner’s brain?” … Worthwhile thought??? WTF…
Broner is a 3-Division World Champion at 23. Something NEVER before achieved in fistic history. He’s achieved worldwide fame and he’s rich. You have to be thinking well to win fights at his level.
What did YOU accomplish by age 23 Paul Strauss???Posted June 23, 2013 10:39 am