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TARK

BTW…. According to Floyd Sr. Hatton was supposed to box Pacquiao..

First time he got hit really hard he went back to his old instincts… Paulie gave Hatton all day to think… Pac gave Ricky no time to think.

Posted June 30, 2013 9:53 pm 


TARK

Paulie is one of the worst boxers ever to win a World Title…

Hatton outboxed Paulie 10 rounds to 1.. You damned right he can’t box.

Floyd Sr. said to Hatton, “Paulie can’t box.. We’re going to outbox him every round Rick.. Rick? Are you listening to me Rick?” The perception was Paulie COULD box. But who would know better than Floyd Sr?

Did you ever see Hatton box as a strategy in another fight? … By the 2nd round he was a believer.

Posted June 30, 2013 9:44 pm 


Hidalgo

“He can’t box. ” That’s the lamest thing I’ve ever heard you say, Tark.

Posted June 30, 2013 12:23 am 


Ghostrider

How old is Tark? Old enough to have taken his grandson to see Dempsey vs Firpo

Posted June 29, 2013 9:50 am 


TARK

It doesn’t matter One Time… Malignaggi missed 75% of his punches. He can’t box. Broner carried the fight to Paulie… outboxed him… out-punnched him… out defended him… and won on every scoring criteria there is… Give Broner credit.

He deserves a shot at Matthysse, Garcia, Alexander, Bradley, or Marquez.

Posted June 28, 2013 11:37 pm 


One time

Mongrel you act like the real expert put are very Mistaken. The Paulie that Fought Khan could not make 140 anymore looked bad. The Paulie that foght Hatton was ruined by Buddy Mcgirt and had hand surgery two months prior ( notive he only threw like 5 right hands the whole fight) But what do you say no to a million dollar pay day from a flawed fighter? No you have to take the spot or someone else will jump in and take that million. If your Boxing IQ was a little higher you would be able to see visible differences in the fights where Paulie has a broken hand and the fights he doesnt by the amount of 2 handed combinations he throws. He has broken his hand 13 times now in his career most guys pack it in at 3 or 4 breaks.

Posted June 28, 2013 10:54 pm 


truth

Paulie wqn that fight people are talking about paulie pity pat punches false! Those body shots took there toll on broner . If people would watch the fight again and pay attention they would see a lot of broners punches were arm punches, because he couldnt land anything he loaded up. Also a lot of his punches were also not clean but showtime had there head so far up Broners ass all you heard was them talking him up. I have been watching 20 years i will not be swayed by corporate Hype Paulie WON that Fight!

Posted June 28, 2013 10:47 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

“around here”, you must mean the room you rent…

Posted June 28, 2013 12:30 pm 


TARK

It’s not that I haven’t heard of these guys… Winstone did do anything.. Farr did less.. McGuigen got his ass kicked early in his championship career.. Buchanan lasted a little bit but I didn’t think he was that talented and Watt neither..

Posted June 27, 2013 9:42 pm 


Hidalgo

“TJ…. I rate Calzaghe the 3rd best fighter to come out of England in the last 2 decades… Next to David Haye and Lennox Lewis… ”

How about Featherweight champ Howard Winstone? The Brit who fought all his fights with three fingers missing on his right hand and lost only 6 out of almost 70 fights ? Talk about fighting with a handicap. That’s an accomplishment in itself. Or James Figg, an 18th century fighter who is said to have had a record of 269-1. Of course Figg fought bareknuckle fights and was known to participate in fights which included the use of clubs. I’m thinking that’s not the same as today’s boxers however. :) Then there’s heavyweight Tommy Farr wo beat Baer and Neusel and lost a narrow 15 round Decision to Joe Louis. And of course we’ve all heard of Naseem Hamed. Barry McGuigen was a little beast, and IMO one of the best ever to come out of Britain (He was Irish). It’s tough to pick three from so many great British fighters. But you did say “to come out of England.” I just thought I’d throw a little British history into the mix.

Posted June 27, 2013 12:53 pm 


Hidalgo

“Paulie should be happy to get rid of jessica Coarzon…what a dog.” It doesn’t matter what she looks like. It’s clear that she’s hanging with Broner just to get back at Paulie. She’s a boxer groupie slut. Big deal.

Posted June 27, 2013 12:37 pm 


TARK

Some real morons around here, but Enema Ernie sets the bar.

Posted June 26, 2013 10:12 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

lol

Posted June 26, 2013 6:16 pm 


Ghostrider

Tark, sometimes you talk a lot of sense, but most of the time you talk dog excrement.

Posted June 26, 2013 3:30 pm 


TARK

TJ…. I rate Calzaghe the 3rd best fighter to come out of England in the last 2 decades… Next to David Haye and Lennox Lewis…

Among ATG’s he’s way below Andre Ward.. Ward just has a better stance, jab, straight right, footwork, defense, and overall skills…

That’s why Kessler was able to win rounds off of Calzaghe and smash him with right uppercuts — and why Kessler couldn’t win any rounds off Ward or even hit Ward with a threatening punch all night before being stopped.

Posted June 26, 2013 10:17 am 


Mongrel

@Tark not 13 rounds. I meant Castillo I as in the first fight – just 3 rounds.

That is just mental, even if you want to be a bit bombastic.

Even FLoyd knew it was far closer.

I freely admit FLoyd is 100x better than Castillo as proved in the return, his problem in the first was a result of the injury, but first fight Castillo won by 1 round, ther is no way he only won 3.

That is crazy talk

Posted June 26, 2013 8:46 am 


TJ

TARK

Do you rate JOE CALZAGHE as an ALL TIME GREAT? And if so, why?

Posted June 26, 2013 2:43 am 


Hidalgo

“And besides that Broner out landed Paulie.” No he didn’t Peej. Broner just got more credit for his punches than Paulie did.

Posted June 25, 2013 9:04 pm 


Night Stalker

GONZO=MORON

Posted June 25, 2013 6:12 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Willie Pep did not win a round without throwing a punch either. That’s a myth.

Posted June 25, 2013 5:13 pm 


PEEJ

You don’t get the win by throwing amateur punches. And besides that Broner out landed Paulie. Heck Willie Pep won a round with out throwing a punch. And it’s not how many punches you throw it’s how many you land

Posted June 25, 2013 2:35 pm 


Hidalgo

“Actually this is as front page worthy ..” Gonzo, I can’t believe you’re posting this crap. Again. Let’s talk about gecko’s feet, which were not so long ago, discovered to integrate many intriguing functions such as strong adhesion, easy detachment and self-cleaning–at the molecular level too!

Posted June 25, 2013 11:47 am 


Hidalgo

“You can say they were not hard punches all you want but he had Paulies head rocking back and forth. ” Of course they were hard punches, Mongrel, but they were few and far between. Paulie outboxed and outscored Broner and that’s why he should have got the win. I didn’t score Paulie the winner just because I like him. I scored him the winner because he beat Broner. That’s it.

Posted June 25, 2013 11:37 am 


Hidalgo

“I taught the World that SKILLS is more important than SIZE and Broner proved me CORRECT once again.” You need to quit jacking off into your own mouth dunce-a-mundo. It really is disgusting.

Posted June 25, 2013 11:34 am 


Hidalgo

” And just because Broner clearly won this fight …” No, he didn’t Peej.

Posted June 25, 2013 11:33 am 


Happyboy

Tark – ” Trout stepped up… Now it’s Floyd’s turn.” sorry man but I thaught it was Canelo who was stepping up after smashing WW & JWW, then Trout now the best in the game, Floyd Joy Mayweather.

Posted June 25, 2013 8:45 am 


TARK

Mongrel…. You can eat turds… Floyd outlanded Oscar by 85 punches.. The numerical advantage was well dispersed throughout the fight — except for the 2nd round, where Oscar was a clear winner.

Neither landed any real hard punches either.. A lot of Oscar’s punches that some people scored barely made contact.. They weren’t effective scoring punches anymore than Trout’s on Canelo.

Posted June 25, 2013 7:17 am 


TARK

royjoneslastfight….. You’re joking. LMAO

Posted June 25, 2013 7:11 am 


TARK

NO… Not 13… 3.

Most of his landed stuff he was either holding with one hand… he threw on the break… hit Floyd on the back… hit to the back of Floyd’s head… hit below the belt… punched after the bell in several rounds… Castillo landed some effectve punches and 3 round, due to the fact Floyd had a strained rotator cuff assembly coming into the fight, and Floyd aggravated the injury during the fight.

Floyd won every round of the 2nd fight, where he was 100%.

Posted June 25, 2013 7:09 am 


royjoneslastfight

Malignaggi WON 12 ROUNDS !!! I JUST WATCHED THE FIGHT !!!! BIG TIME ROBBERY !!!!!

Posted June 25, 2013 7:00 am 


TARK

I gave Cotto 4 rounds… I gave Guerrero 2 rounds… I gave Mosley 2 rounds plus a 2-point round for ringing Floyd’s bell and making him do the dipsy-doodle… I gave De La Hoya the 2nd round and the rest to Floyd… I gave Castillo 3 rounds of the 1st Mayweather fight and ZERO rounds for their 2nd encounter… I gave Judah 3 rounds and a 2-point round for the knockdown (missed by the referee)… But I took 2-points from Judah for 2 extremely flagrant fouls — for which Judah would have been DQ’d if I were the referee.

I never saw any boxer get more than 4 rounds off Floyd… Floyd said “Cotto was my toughest opponent ever” and I could see why looking at the Q-Tips being shoved up Floyd’s nose holes to sop up the blood.. I expect Canelo to get 5 or 6 rounds off Floyd … Floyd even admitted.. “Canelo is the toughest opponent in the world for me. This is a risky fight for me.” … You damned right its risky.

At some point in an ATG career you’re going to have a fight like this. There’s no gettting away from that moment of truth — and you step up like a World Champion should and take on the risk…

Trout stepped up… Now it’s Floyd’s turn.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:45 am 


Mongrel

Broner a no2.

Yeah I can think of one way that makes sense.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:26 am 


Haimat

LOL Boxtradamus, Cotto won 4 rounds against floyd. He must be better than the #2, #3 and #4 champs combined.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:14 am 


Haimat

The Paulie that faced Khan is the same as the Paulie that fought Broner. Difference is: Khan got footwork and packs a punch. Broner has no punch at WW and his footwork is non existant. He’s a limited fighter and elite fighters will take advantage of his flaws and put him to sleep or shut him out. Hype job!

Posted June 25, 2013 4:11 am 


Mongrel

Mundo….are you saying you think the PM that Broner faced is superior to the one that Khan faced?

Despite Paulie himself suggesting that isn`t the case?

Because he had a belt?

Posted June 25, 2013 3:41 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Overwhelming is the correct description brother Mongrel. I literally cannot read them all in one fell swoop (oops I did it again). There’s way too much awesomeness there to digest in one sitting.

Posted June 25, 2013 2:46 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Broner would WIN 2 rounds. Bradley would WIN one and Alexander would WIN none.

Posted June 25, 2013 2:19 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Floyd is the #1 rated CHAMP. Broner is #2. Bradley is #3 and Alexander is #4. …..unfortunately Floyd can beat the Top 3 contenders without losing 4 round TOTAL.

Posted June 25, 2013 2:12 am 


PEEJ

Paulie is only a titlest at 147. Floyd is the World Champ

Posted June 25, 2013 2:02 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

And I don’t consider NABO domestic league TRINKET belts. I consider WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. Broner faced Paulie when he was a WORLD CHAMPION. Khan DIDN’T.

Posted June 25, 2013 2:00 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“this is the most stupidest comment”-Nope. It was one of the GREATEST comments ever made and since you can’t refute it all you can DO is just laugh. Well laughing is irrelevant HERE.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:56 am 


PEEJ

Say what you want Adrien. I just know the sport of boxing. I’ve gone for Paulie in every fight and in this fight I was just hoping for a good fight. I wasn’t picking anybody. And just because Broner clearly won this fight has nothing to do with his skin color. It has everything to do with his skill. So stop hating.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:52 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Hissydalgo says….”No, Malignaggi had the winning performance. He just got robbed.”-Well you’d better hurry UP and go see the EYE doctor. And take a vocabulary class TOO. Because you don’t know what an effective punch IS and you wouldn’t know one IF you saw one. IF you thought Malignaggi landed some effective punches then you’re even more prissy than I thought. Those punches couldn’t hurt may baby sister. Paulie had better learn how to put some STEAM on his punches. Hire Heredia immediately. As for the Broner Fight he did ZERO damage. Broner looked like he just came from a NICE walk.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:49 am 


Adrian

Hahahahahahagaha this is the most stupidest comment I have ever read here hahahahaha “CORRECTAMUNDO

Khan and Broner’s performances can’t be compared because Broner faced the CHAMPIONSHIP version of Malignaggi while Khan faced the NON CHAMPIONSHIP version. Just as Floyd’s performance vs. the CHAMPIONSHIP version of Mosley can’t be compared to Canelo facing the NON CHAMPIONSHIP version of Mosely.”

Posted June 25, 2013 1:41 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“Garcia walks into the ring at around 142 lbs. he should move up to welterweight?”-Yup. Mostly because of his SKILLS not SIZE. The most SKILLED Boxers in ONE Division are currently at WW. He BELONGS in that group…. I SAID long ago that Broner vs. Garcia would be a BARN burner and Broner is a CHAMP at WW. SO that tells you that Mikey can compete at WW…..I taught the World that SKILLS is more important than SIZE and Broner proved me CORRECT once again.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:36 am 


Adrian

Peej– so no criticism toward broner for not looking the way media portrayed him? Lol what else to expect from you ,I told you you have a pattern toward boxers with particular skin color

Posted June 25, 2013 1:31 am 


Mongrel

When put together that is truly an overwhelming ode to the magnificence that is the Vulture.

I might even opt for a “Sky Burial” when the time comes.

Posted June 25, 2013 12:41 am 


PEEJ

No way Paulie won. Bronder lander the harder more telling punches. You can say they were not hard punches all you want but he had Paulies head rocking back and forth. I like Paulie a lot and for a guy with no power has accomplished a lot. But no way he won this fight. If you want to go with punchstats it clearly shows Broner landing more power punches that Paulied landed punches. And Paulie seemed to be throwing arm punches, like he was trying to hurt Broner at all. You can’t win a fight that way.

Posted June 25, 2013 12:07 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Actually this is as front page worthy as anything ever written on here and deserves being posted again.

All 20 of Gonzo’s Super Splendiferous Vulture Facts of the Day.

Sink your talons and your beaks into each one of these juicy morsels folks

Vulture Fact Overload!!!!

There are 23 vulture species in the world, and at least one type of vulture is found on every continent except Australia and Antarctica. These are relatively adaptable birds found in a range of habitats, including suburban regions, but even so, 14 species are considered either threatened or endangered.

Vulture species are divided into New World and Old World groups depending on their ranges. There are more vulture species in the Old World, and they are not closely related to New World vultures but are often considered together because they fill a similar ecological niche. New World vultures may be more closely related to storks than to other raptors.

Unlike many raptors, vultures are relatively social and often feed, fly or roost in large flocks. A group of vultures is called a committee, venue or volt. In flight, a flock of vultures is a kettle, and when the birds are feeding together at a carcass, the group is called a wake.

Vultures are carnivorous and eat carrion almost exclusively. They prefer fresh meat but are able to consume carcasses that may have rotted so much as to be dangerous for other animals. This gives vultures a unique and important ecological niche because they help prevent the spread of diseases from old, rotting corpses.

Vultures have excellent senses of sight and smell to help them locate food, and they can find a dead animal from a mile or more away. Because of this, vultures often have large territories and will spend a lot of time soaring to locate their next meal.

It is a myth that vultures will circle dying animals waiting to feed. These birds are powerful fliers and will soar on thermals while they look for food, but when they locate a carcass, they will approach it quickly to begin feeding before other predators find it.

Vultures have bare heads and often bare necks so that when they feed on rotting carcasses, bacteria and other parasites cannot burrow into their feathers to cause infections. This allows the birds to stay healthier while feeding on material that would easily infect other animals.

Vultures have relatively weak legs and feet with blunt talons, though they do have powerful bills. If a carcass is too stiff for them to rip open, they will wait for another predator to open the flesh before they feed, which is why vultures are often seen in the company of other carrion-eating animals.

A vulture’s stomach acid is significantly stronger and more corrosive than that of other animals or birds. This allows these scavengers to feed on rotting carcasses that may be infected with dangerous bacteria, because their stomach acid will kill that bacteria so it does not threaten the vulture.

While vultures eat mostly dead animals, they are capable of attacking and will often prey on extremely sick, wounded or infirm prey, especially if food has been scarce and there are no carcasses nearby.

It is a myth that vultures will prey on healthy livestock, but they are still regularly persecuted by farmers and ranchers who believe the birds to be a threat to their animals.

Because vultures have weak feet and legs, they do not carry prey back to their chicks. Instead, they will gorge at a carcass and regurgitate food from their crop to feed their young.

Vultures urinate on their legs and feet to help cool off on hot days, and their urine also helps kill any bacteria or parasites they’ve picked up from walking through carcasses to help keep the birds healthier.

The Andean condor, found in South America, has the largest wingspan of any vulture in the world, with a spread of 10-11 feet when the bird extends its wings.

The crow-sized hooded vulture is the smallest of these birds with a wingspan of only five feet. It is found sub-Saharan Africa.

When threatened, vultures vomit to lighten their body weight so they can escape more easily into flight. Vomiting also serves as a defense mechanism to deter predators that may be threatening the birds.

New World vultures lack a syrinx and are nearly silent. They do not have songs, and their typical vocalizations are limited to grunts, hisses and similar sounds.

Vultures face many threats that are endangering their populations. Poisoning is the biggest threat to vultures, primarily from toxins or lead in the carcasses they eat. Other hazards include car collisions as they feed on road kill and electrocution from collisions with power lines.

Scientists have begun to study vultures’ unique senses and abilities and are considering using the birds to help find bodies from crimes. Studying how a vulture finds a body and how quickly it can consume the body can be useful for forensic analysis.

Vultures enjoy their own unique holiday, International Vulture Awareness Day, which is celebrated on the first Saturday of each September. The holiday is a way to raise awareness about these unique birds, and hundreds of zoos, aviaries, nature preserves and bird refuges worldwide participate each year with fun and informational activities about vultures.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:10 pm 


TARK

EZ E…. I take your point… But, to me, the opportunity comes NOW.. Not with the Paulie fight. Beating Paulie got Broner NOWHERE.. He was an 11-1 favorte… Everyone EXPECTED him to beat Paulie EZ, and Broner’s chances of losing were between slim and none.

You might think the fight was close… It was at least 117-111 and a dominant win for Broner.

True enough… Adrien screwed around a lot shaking his head and talking to Paulie instead of getting down to business.. I think Paulie’s plan was to get AB overconfident, and it worked.. If another judge voted for Paulie the fight would have been a Pacquiao-Bradley type disgrace — only far worse, because an idiot could tell who won THIS fight … I’m anxious to see Broner defend his new World Title.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:09 pm 


Kid Blast

Hildago must be on meds?

Posted June 24, 2013 10:46 pm 


Mongrel

Look I take Viveks point about numbers and effectiveness, the fact is that a large proportion of Paulies work was pitter patter, and honestly I though Broner looked in control but lazy missing 800 chances to counterpunch by shaking his head instead of throwing.

But here is the thing, it is pretty weak when you even need to get down to talking about these numbers vs the likes of Paulie Malignaggi.
Malignaggi didn`t get to pitter patter on Khan or Hatton, he got dominated and stopped. Khan ran him out of the division talking about just fighting in Italy for European titles.

I give Paulie props for going to take a title off Senchenko that was smart, but that really just highlighted how poor he was. Paulie already got creamed by Cotto, Hatton, Khan and squeaked past Cano, Ngoudjo and Ndou.
Paulie would get destroyed by Bradley, Alexander, Matthyse, Maidana, Garcia, Peterson, JMM, Pacquaio, FMJ, Ortiz, Berto and more than likely Mosely and Provodnikov. In fact he`d probably also lose to Olesegun & Kell Brook. If you think of the best 15 fighters across JWW and WW Paulie isn`t in it.

If you and your promoter are screaming to anyone who’ll listen that you are the second coming, then you have to deal with the Malignaggis of the world in dominant dominant fashion.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:38 pm 


Kid Blast

Tark and B Red have the beat

Posted June 24, 2013 10:21 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

goddamn hissy, are you cranked up or what?

Posted June 24, 2013 10:15 pm 


Patrick2

Did ANYONE read the article? Or is the hatred of Broner so damn strong that people continue to believe what they want to believe? Let me break it down for the haters. Broner was highly effective. Malignaggi was less than effective. = Broner won the fight, period. Next time, leave the bias at the door, pay attention, and score the fight by what is really happening in the ring.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:49 pm 


Hidalgo

“Hildago’s don’t care much about punch stats when its Broner but when it’s their all mighty Pacquaio against Marques they will quickly show you those stats in their third fight. ” Really, mbuyisell? Quote me dude. Don’t forget the time and date stamp.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:46 pm 


Hidalgo

“Anybody who thinks Malignaggi won just can’t count punches well — and if you haven’t boxed competitively, it’s hard to estimate the impact of punches and the damage they’re doing… That’s why many judges don’t have a clue what’s happening in front of their eyes.” Funny Tark, I believe I already said the same thing about anyone who thinks Broner won. You wanted Paulie to lose so badly, because you dislike him so much, that you’re more than happy to accept Broner’s win with open arms. I DID count the punches. Paulie won.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:44 pm 


Hidalgo

“These amateur fight fans and bandwagoneers trying to sell bias as analysis!” Yeah, and you just base your opinion on color.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:38 pm 


Hidalgo

“Paulie has a world class chin and he was clearly wobbled a dew times.” Really? Exactly when?

Posted June 24, 2013 9:37 pm 


Hidalgo

“He still has lots to prove IMO.” He does Kid Blast, and Paulie thoroughly disproved him Saturday night.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:35 pm 


Hidalgo

“Khan and Broner’s performances can’t be compared because Broner faced the CHAMPIONSHIP version of Malignaggi while Khan faced the NON CHAMPIONSHIP version.” There’s a lame analogy if I ever read one. When Paulie fought Khan Paulie owned the WBO NABO light welterweight title. that means he was a champion. WTF you talking about Foolamundo?

Posted June 24, 2013 9:34 pm 


Hidalgo

“Broner had a WINNING performance.” No, Malignaggi had the winning performance. He just got robbed.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:29 pm 


Hidalgo

I meant to say “Thing is, Paulie did win his boxing match with Broner.”

Posted June 24, 2013 9:28 pm 


Hidalgo

“Nobody thinks Malignaggi is anybody from anywhere. ” Tark, didn’t you just throw a fit a couple of days ago because somebody used the word “we” when voicing an opinion? You don’t speak for everybody anymore than that write did. And, it’s very clear that you will be more than pleased to see Paulie out of the ring from here on out. This is, Paulie really did win his boxing match against Broner. You and anyone else doesn’t have to admit it. But I know better and so do a lot of other boxing fans. Paulie does too.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:28 pm 


Hidalgo

“Paulie, himself, said that Broner won the fight ” When did Paulie say that? On Twitter Paulie said he thought he won the fight. I never heard Paulie say Broner won the fight.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:24 pm 


Hidalgo

“Broner won the fight but Paulie won the boxing match. ” Thank you, te tumbo. That is a fact.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:23 pm 


Jack Jones

It will be a short night Broner if he fights Mathysess. Mathysess has vowed never the Judges give the outcome. 19 knock downs in last 8 fights. He means what he says. And he already walks through a welter weights punch. Broner or Garcia has no chance.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:03 pm 


te tumbo

correction: it was there for the taking but [Paulie] remained stubbornly dedicated to his volume feather-dusting fight-plan.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:58 pm 


te tumbo

Broner won the fight but Paulie won the boxing match. F(!) the official “punchstats”. Paulie was smothering Broner with sheer activity, touching him all fight long, and easily tripled his number of scoring punches. once again, F(!) the official “punchstats”. they’re as inaccurate as an environmental study sponsored and authored by the Republican party and no less deceptive. Broner is lucky that there is no other likely opponent with the slick skills and experience of Malignaggi Aaand the punching power to seal the deal. Paulie could’ve/should’ve sold-out on at least one overhand right into Broner’s face. it was there for the taking but he remained stubbornly dedicated to his volume-punching fight-plan. Paulie rarely looked better and Broner looked like the formidable work-in-progress that he is. he’s definitely not ready for Mayweather but Mathysse, Guerrero, and Khan are within his ability to challenge.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:56 pm 


EZ E

TARK ooops! Should read… “YES, it was a ‘once in a lifetime opportunity’ because being able to JUMP up TWO weight classes to win a THIRD division title DOESN’T come along everyday. Ya dig??”

Posted June 24, 2013 8:28 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Neither GBP or Al Haymon or anyone else will let Broner fight Matthysse next. Too much risk for the chosen one.” Bulls eye Hildago.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:25 pm 


The Prince

Paulie, himself, said that Broner won the fight and that Broner landed the better shots. I give Paulie credit for being honest, even after Broner dissed him during the post-fight interview. The truth is, now that I think about it, the 117-111 score is very possible, because most of Paulies punches were landing on Broners arms and shoulders. With that said, the Ref should have taken a point away from Broner during the fight. But guest what? Even if that happened, Broner would have still won it.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:24 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Broner vs Mathysess. This is one beast that Golden Boy don’t want the fans to choose! JJ if GBP posts a public poll for us to vote on Broner vs Matthysse is the only sensible choice. They’ll rig the poling somehow because the one guy Broner doesn’t want to see is Matthysse. Although judging by his comp to date there’s a lot of guys he doesn’t want to see.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:20 pm 


EZ E

TARK As usual & evidently you missed my point. YES, it was a ‘once in a lifetime opportunity’ because being able to JUMP up TWO weight classes to and win DOESN’T come along everyday. Ya dig?? He had the WEAKEST link there for the taking, a GREAT OPPORTUNITY to market his name at a MAJOR pace and set himself up for BIGGER things with lesser risk, or so he thought considering the fact that Paulie ultimately resulted to be a hardder nut to crack than what HE & most ALL expected, including me. I might be mistaken but didn’t you predict a KO win for Broner? Anyway, I hope you now understand my point. Paz!

Posted June 24, 2013 8:13 pm 


Carl Pratt

A split decision is NOT smashing Paulie. It is squeaking by. And Paulie should have been the one squeaking by since he was the Champ. Paulie had AB plan in confusion and took him into 12 rounds. Must be why Broner is also wearing shades at the post interview. Paulie gave him a good fight, and took AB into 12 rounds where AB had never been before. Being a punk at 23 years old he should have shined. The only thing that shined on Broner that night was his gold teeth!!!!

Posted June 24, 2013 7:59 pm 


TARK

@ EZ E…. “The MAIN reason Broner dared to jump 2 weight divisions was because the once in a lifetime opportunity.”

Fighting Paulie Malignaggi wasn’t a “once in a lifetime opportunity.” Fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr WOULD be a once in a lifetime deal.. Maybe fighting some of the other people like Matthysse, Garcia, Marquez, Pacquiao, or Bradley would be a fabulous opportunity.

But fighting Paulie??? Broner was the challenger, but STILL the MAIN attraction. Nobody thinks Malignaggi is anybody from anywhere. He was an 11 to 1 underdog in the betting and deserved to be.

Broner made that jump for a reason yet to be fully uncovered. One he doesn’t want to devulge.. Regardless of what Paulie says, another win over another 147 pound champion could put him on the short list for … you guessed it.

Posted June 24, 2013 6:15 pm 


B Red

Broner have never been staggered or Hurt, Unlike Canelo who was almost knock out By Cotto in the first round

Posted June 24, 2013 6:12 pm 


B Red

Broner will have a easier time with come forward welterweights like Madaina

Posted June 24, 2013 6:08 pm 


TARK

Sredmond… The Klitschkos are elite fighters. You’re a professional hater…

Anybody who’s been a world champion for more than 10 years, all told, and can put 60,000 people into a soccer stadium, and can pull in the 2 biggest gates in European Boxing history is elite..

Anybody who’s been a World champion that long… and has never been knocked down in his entire career… and has never been behind on points in his entire career… and has the best KO ratio of any Heavyweight Champion in over 50 years, is an elite fighter.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:55 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Against 3 CHAMPS in 3 Divisions!!!

Posted June 24, 2013 5:49 pm 


Breaking News

Against feather fists and midgets.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:47 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

WINNING is very GOOD.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:46 pm 


Breaking News

Broner just is not that good.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:45 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Broner had a WINNING performance. Its GREATER to be criticized for WINNING than it is to be criticized for LOSING…..WINNING is the of the game. Trying to impress every living soul comes secondary. Manny Pacquiao’s CHIN says that I am CORRECT on that.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:39 pm 


Rem

Wow the defense of Broners bad performance is comical. Yes he’s young with alot of potential but i expected him to blow PM away. Really AB fought a different PM than Kahn did ROTF…poor defense. Its odvious that he doesn’t move his hands and feet well together and contrary to what he said this fight he needed to in order have a good performance. I think Terrence Crawford would thoroughly outbox AB.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:28 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

At 23 Broner has already WON more titles in more divisions than Khan and Hatton DID in their ENTIRE LIVES. WOW!!! That’s impressive.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:15 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Khan and Broner’s performances can’t be compared because Broner faced the CHAMPIONSHIP version of Malignaggi while Khan faced the NON CHAMPIONSHIP version. Just as Floyd’s performance vs. the CHAMPIONSHIP version of Mosley can’t be compared to Canelo facing the NON CHAMPIONSHIP version of Mosely.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:12 pm 


Ray

I personally think Khan did a better job when he faced Paulie than Broner. Thats saying a lot.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:01 pm 


SREDMOND

Of course Broners gonna sell himself as well he should… Guy just got paid over a mill at 23 years of age… He’s a very talented you gotta give him credit for WINNING and getting straps in 3 weights he doesn’t have to be a Top 10 Elite fighter yet times on his side..!

Posted June 24, 2013 4:54 pm 


Kid Blast

Everyone is accusing everyone else of saying Broner is an elite fighter when in fact the only one saying it is Broner. Let’s get grounded here. Broner does not belong anywhere near the top ten or fifteen P4P guys. He still has lots to prove IMO.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:48 pm 


ST

@SREDMOND

There are always excuses when a guy they dont like wins. Its never enough to congratulate the winner. They have to degrade his win. AB showed up and showed out at 147 and I feel sorry for the next cats in line. Paulie has a world class chin and he was clearly wobbled a dew times.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:45 pm 


Rem

ST you must not have seen Kahn fight with PM because then ud understand. And the jump in weight made no difference PM is p4p the weakest pro when it comes to strength and punching power. There’s no way around the fact that this was a huge setback for AB. This performance pretty much answered the question about ABs ppv potential.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:44 pm 


SREDMOND

These amateur fight fans and bandwagoneers trying to sell bias as analysis! Broner did not lose nor get beat up yet these myopic fools see nothing but doom or a 23 year old boxer… Broners story is no different today than it was before the fight.. Had he stopped Paulie many would have said hey Paulies not a big puncher etc… The fight went to the cards for Broner like all 23 year old fighters he still has a lot to prove depending on what you expect from him…. Elite status quite a bit off unless you were gonna confer it based in him murdering Malignaggi… Broners probably gonna head to 140 where he’s more suited anyway…

Posted June 24, 2013 4:37 pm 


ST

@Rudy the Ram,

Your dumb. How can AB be compared to Kahn when AB has never lost nor been to the canvas? Yall just love to hate…

Posted June 24, 2013 4:21 pm 


ST

If you chumps called that struggling on Adriens part, I have a mansion in Orlando to sell you for only $20!!! Thats right, the low low price of $20! Idiots!

Adrien smashed Paulie. Punches being caught with hands, shoulders and elbows are ineefective. The man came up from 135 to 147. Can we at least let the pounds settle in?

This fight was very similar to Trout vs Canelo only Adrien punched a lot more. As soon as he was about to open up, Paulie RAN!

I feel sorry for straight fighters like Maidana and Matthysse..they will be KO’d…they do not possess enough movement

Posted June 24, 2013 4:10 pm 


Carl Pratt

Paulie did a good job. He went in with the Next coming of a FM CLone. Paulie took him to task for 12 rounds and the punk could not hurt Paulie or take him out. That tells me a lot about AB. I would personally like to knock out AB and then pick the gold out of his grill while he is sleeping. Credit to Paulie for hanging in there with the next GOD OF BOXING. Betcha Adrian got a few bruises and sore ribs and shoulder. Now on to the next similar fight with FMJ and SCA. Same scenario: Shoulder Roll Queen vs Saulie but this time vs a puncher. Same tactics as Paulie but Saulie got more power. Just might be another ROBBERY though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get your mad on Saulie cause you gonna need it.

Posted June 24, 2013 3:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Who said Broner is currently an elite fighter? Marquez, Pacquiao, Martinez, Ward, Donaire and certainly NOT the Klits were elite fighters…
So what’s with that hammer being dropped? Broner is a Very Talented Young fighter who has looked better at 23 than ALOT of future elites did at the same age.. Time will tell

Posted June 24, 2013 3:57 pm 


Rem

Neil hit the nail on the head. The way the elites have handled PM AB didn’t come close to living up to as i expected him to. Right now im not sure he can handle Kahn since the rise in weight severely diminished his power. If he doesnt ko Kahn hed lose by wide ud. I could be wrong but that’s the impression Sat. night left me with. That fight made PM look way better than he is.

Posted June 24, 2013 3:46 pm 


EZ E

Yeah Teddy. I can understand him disagreeing with the decision, but this time he took it to another level altogether.

Posted June 24, 2013 3:40 pm 


Anonymous

ML- I don’t think Broner was afraid of the punches. He stood I’m the pocket against DeMarco and actually took more shots than he should have. I do think he had trouble letting go his punches with Paulie throwing flurries and moving. He handcuffs himself with those arms across his body and Paulie was hitting him in the arms a lot, stopping him from getting his right counter. He also fought in spirts. Against a big puncher like Mathysse, who can pit pressure all night and cam take a pumch, ot will get imterrsting for Broner .

Posted June 24, 2013 3:38 pm 


Kid Blast

EZ E , gracias me hermano. This fawning over Paulie is vomit-inducing. All he does is whine, whine, and whine.

Man up Malignaggi!

Posted June 24, 2013 3:17 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

On that performance there are a few welterweights (and junior-welterweights) i would pick to beat him.

Posted June 24, 2013 3:01 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

He “failed” in that he looked far less impressive against Malignaggi than Khan, Cotto and Hatton did. Broner is a major threat to anyone around 135 to 147 … but I think most welterweights would now love a crack at him ….. he won the fight but lost some of the hype surrounding his name.

Posted June 24, 2013 3:00 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

CORRECTION. ..Its like Ward being outgunned vs Cotto. (Canelo is really a LHW on Fight night)

Posted June 24, 2013 2:59 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

IF this was a major setback for Broner then it was a career threatening LOSS for Paulie. Because Paulie was on the WORST end of the stick. Showed that he could be outgunned vs a blown up LW. Embarrasing….Thats like Ward being outgunned vs Canelo. Or Wlad being outgunned by Adonis Stevenson. HAHAHHAHHAHAHAA!!! GREAT WIN by Broner!!! Paulie’s punches can’t even wobble a clown on stilts.

Posted June 24, 2013 2:53 pm 


PEEJ

I just don’t see how he failed. He landed the harder more accurate punches. He landed more of them. He pretty much beat Paulie up. I like Paulie but after the first 3 rounds is was not even competitive. It just seemed like Broner was satisfied to just beat him up. I don’t really think the fight was that close. Seemed like Paulie was fighting an amateur style while Broner was fighting a professional style

Posted June 24, 2013 2:48 pm 


Rem

This is a major setback for Broner. PM can only be considered a borderline worldclass fighter so him showing he actually belonged in the ring with AB is very bad for AB. AB doesn’t seem to have the hand/foot coordination he needs to be elite. He failed this test badly. I’d like to see AB in with Callozo if Callozo still has it this guy showed the world Hatton and Berto weren’t elite and judging by ABs performance i think hed be next. AB can forget being a ppv star he’ll be lucky if he remains a star in the sport his team better be very careful who they put him in with. After Saturday night imo Terrence Crawford is better.

Posted June 24, 2013 2:03 pm 


EZ E

UNCLE BLAST, that was a keen observation. Saludos!!

Posted June 24, 2013 2:01 pm 


EZ E

TARK you’re right that there’s nothing big going on at 135 but NO, that’s not the reason Broner jumped 2 weight classes. The MAIN reason he dared to do so was because the once in a lifetime opportunity came vs a feather fisted Paul Malignaggi, whom he UNDERESTIMATED, as did most everyone else while OVER-estimating Broner.

Posted June 24, 2013 1:59 pm 


Anonymous

Actually Viveck, Garcia has 2 attributes that will beat Brohner: Heart and Power. Garcia always finds a way to connect flush with his punches. He is the type of fighter that no matter who he is fighting, or what style he is going up against, he can find and punish the target. I actually think Lamont Peterson would beat him at 140. Brohner has no punch at 147 he should go back down in weight. His team is probably contacting Jesisito Lopez’s people for his next fight.

Posted June 24, 2013 1:43 pm 


Kid Blast

Not mine but I agree with this very solid comment:

“As for Paulie’s rant with Jim Gray, I understand fighters are emotional after fights, particularly if you are on the losing end. But for Paulie to tell you that he’s made a lot of money in boxing, has a great commentator’s gig in the sport, and really never has to fight again, and then proceed to tell you how corrupt the sport is, well lets just say that’s kind of like saying your boss is a drug dealer and you hate the way he makes his money, but you have no problem accepting your cut despite your knowing from whence the money came. I’m not saying Paulie doesn’t have a point as to the politics of Boxing and the Al Haymon-esque way things are done in the game, but if this fight was indeed fixed (or politically prejudged as Paulie would have you think), then his bosses at SHOWTIME, who were shelling out the bucks for these fights had to be in on it as well. I’ll be eagerly awaiting Paulie’s further elaboration on this corruptness during his next scheduled SHOWTIME commentating appearance.”

Posted June 24, 2013 1:32 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

The quality of Broners shots won him the fight …… but it was not a convincing win

Posted June 24, 2013 1:06 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

I think a lot of welterweights are now hoping to get a fight with Broner ….. expect Broner to step back down in weight.

Posted June 24, 2013 1:04 pm 


TARK

He wasan’t accrurate… Who misses 30 punches in a row???

Posted June 24, 2013 12:56 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Nope. Paulie’s fists robbed him by having less POP in them than a WATER balloon.

Posted June 24, 2013 12:52 pm 


Vivek

Fellas….I don have time currently to address many of the responses here, but feel free to call in to the radio show this evening. Just google “Left Hook Lounge Radio” and the link will allow you to tune in. 9ET/6PT. Thank u….

Posted June 24, 2013 12:47 pm 


TARK

Broner landed the harder and better punches and won easily. Anybody who thinks Malignaggi won just can’t count punches well — and if you haven’t boxed competitively, it’s hard to estimate the impact of punches and the damage they’re doing… That’s why many judges don’t have a clue what’s happening in front of their eyes.

There was nothing going on at 135 but an extreme amount of possible matchups are available at 147.. That’s why Broner made the 2 division leap.

As far as Amir Khan being on a list of people who would destroy Broner??? AB is a terrific counterpuncher, so Virgil Hunter wouldn’t take that fight in a million years.

On the other hand, matching Khan with Julio Diaz wasn’t an act of brilliance. At some point you have to ask, “how much is Khan learning over there?” Hunter isn’t keeping his main charges busy. After watching Mikey Garcia perform, Khan may be casting an eye at Robert Garcia as a trainer.

Posted June 24, 2013 12:47 pm 


Ray

Its the same people who complain that Canelo isnt anything special that come out glorifying Broner. Tha same old people who hate on Canelo for being a ginger red head mexican and that he would be nothing in the sport if not for that but yet jump off their seats when they see a Floyd Mayweather imitation. Broner is very stationary even his “big” bro Mayweather critiqued him on that. No head movement from Broner, just an awful imitation. He said he was going to KO Paulie and instead found out the hard way that he needs a lot of work.

Posted June 24, 2013 12:14 pm 


Tomato Can

Stats are great for gaging what you thought you saw after the fact, but they don’t always tell the whole story. In this case the numbers line up with what I was seeing taking place in that fight.

Posted June 24, 2013 12:14 pm 


Tomato Can

Paulie did well. He did everything he was suppose to in order to win. Too bad he has no pop, cause that was the difference. PM was landing on arms and gloves all night. Broner was landing the better punches all night, but his inactivity gave PM the chance to keep it close. I gave Broner many rounds based on the fact that he out landed Paulie with more affective shots, even though Paulie was letting his hands go more. I don’t care for Broner much, I don’t think he’ll do well againt a volume puncher with power, but I did think he beat PM comfortably. I scored it 116-112. That being said, Broner did barely do enough in a lot of rounds in my opinon, so I can understand why many would see it as a closer fight, than I.

Posted June 24, 2013 12:12 pm 


Rudy the Ram

Let’s not talk about stats. It was an average performance. Like Kahn, broner shouldn’t have moved up in weight. He’s better using his weight and speed on small fighters. As soon as the public clamors for a true test against any of the heavy handed 140 lbers, even Garcia would catch him. There are plenty of smaller fighters who carry name recognition either gamboa at 135 or maidana at 140. Both would be tests but I wouldn’t compare broner to Mayweather, right now he has to be worried about being compared to amir Kahn. Kahn is a great boxer but he had his moment in the sun and all the hype and promotion behind him. Look where he’s gone to after beating mallinagi.

Posted June 24, 2013 12:09 pm 


Pissedawthetime

LOL. Broner ain’t no Mayweather and never will be. Take it easy now. No way I’m paying to see a HYPE job. Better value for money out there. LMFAO.

Peace

Posted June 24, 2013 12:04 pm 


Haimat

SREDMOND, thanks for the kind words. I know you find my short but concise posts to be all what you strive to achieve yourself tirelessly posting all those posts and getting eaten up and thrown to the crows whenever TARK choses to say something. You’re an angry dude with way too much time on your hands(or boring enough job) to be on ESB for hours each day. Whenever I decide to see what’s up on ESB the only thing I see are hundreds of totally uninteresting posts which only take up space and never gets read, by none other than SREDMOND. I have no idea what your opinion on Broner-Paulie is and I couldn’t care less.
I doubt that you’re the same person behind aliases like Boxtradamus, Correctamundo, Iseeitifyoudont, etc etc. I would actually be surprised. Boxtradamus seems even dumber than SREDMOND if that is possible. Correctomundo is the same poster as Boxtra for sure.

Posted June 24, 2013 12:01 pm 


ML

Broner was not able to walk through pity pat punches and stop Malignaggi, I think he was worried about getting hurt if he did, it is glaringly obvious that Broner will be beat soon.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:59 am 


LOL

BRONER IS DONG EXACTLY WHAT MOST OF YOU FOOLS GET TRAPPED IN DOING.. HE WANTS YOU TO HATE HIS ASS SO YOULL PAY OUT OF YOUR ASS TO SEE HIM GET BEAT.. ITS YOU DUMMIES WHO DONT UNDERSTAND THIS SIDE OF BUSINESS… PLAY THE BAD GUY, AND PEOPLE WILL PAY UP… DUMMIES, RIGHT OUT OF THE FLOYD HANDBOOK…

Posted June 24, 2013 11:45 am 


Pissedawthetime

Man, Hidalgo you beat me to the punch every time I get a comment ready for this. Nice analysis BTW.

So how much confidence do broners handlers have now? Run the boxing world. LOL. Amazing the number of broner fans who think it was an easy win for the KO specialist. And shut up about jumping 2 divisions. It’s obvious why. Not impressed. Sick of hype jobs. I thought he looked scared before the fight and i don’t think he’ll survive long at ww. Don’t know why he didn’t throw more – maybe Paulies “pittypat” punches were clean and effective? Ref should retire.

Peace

Posted June 24, 2013 11:45 am 


Mex

Broners fight was average just as Canelos fight with Mosley….

Posted June 24, 2013 11:15 am 


SREDMOND

Edd, the ONLY reason that guys are comparing a NEW fighter to Floyd is because they something special I don’t really think its FAIR to compare any NEWBIE to an ATG… EVERY fighter has had less than stellar nights or faced styles that were difficult… Floyd had to face Augustus and others this is not the first or last time that Broner will NOT just walkover his opponent and its a CRITICAL omission to not note the fact it was his first trip to 147 despite the success of the Pacquiaos, Mayweathers and a few others the scale has stopped PLENTY of fighters in their tracks… Broners progress should be discussed relative to his station in boxing he and Saul Alvarez are two NEW exciting young guns.,.. Where they will end up in the future pantheon is anyones guess at this juncture their combined ages are LESS than Bernard Hopkins at 48 so hopefull that puts these over the top, fight by fight expectations in perspective for some… Hops LOST his second bout and went on to become an ATG producing some of his more notable wins as a Grandpa….These kids might keep rising or get dusted our LUST for the “Next Big Thing” drives these over the top Tark like proclamations about who Canelo is a BETTER fighter than ODH meanwhile Canelo fought ONE prime World Class fighter in his division…Fight Fans are amongst the most mentally ill at times exhibiting some of the same chararteristics as their punch drunk heroes… LOL

Posted June 24, 2013 11:15 am 


Edd

So, are we to blindly accept as fact, that simply because Broner marginally increased his punch output average of certain punches he threw compared to his previous fights, that this vague statistic unequivocally translates into a valid comparison to when Floyd was a rising fighter in the sport, or that this realistically speaks to greatness becoming?? Is that all you got?? It is IMPOSSIBLE, and merely wishful thinking to believe this by itself speaks of greatness becoming. If anything, what this small, rather irrelevant piece of statistic reveals is Broner did as well as he could have considering the level of opponent he fought. Malinaggi was the least skilled of all the current 147 champions. Malinaggi actually did well however, the fight could have and should have been if anything a draw. Anyone trying to compare Broner in any way to Floyd is reaching. No comparison whatsoever. If there was anyone that could be compared to Floyd in some ways, it would be Pernell Whitaker. However, for all intents and purposes, Whitaker beats Floyd all day, every day. Broner is robotic-like; moves forward like a toddler; shoulders hunched upwards constantly. Now, this has nothing to do with power of which Broner seems to have, which is why the litmus test for Broner to really test his wannabe Floyd skills, would be to challenge someone like Bradley, Alexander, Provodnikov at 147 and Mathysse, Maidana and JMM at 147. Although, I’d much prefer to see Mathysse/Broner at 147. Granted, he doesn’t have to fight any of these guys. He can wait until they get old and in the meantime fight others who only appear to have potential. You see, in this way then can Broner really be compared to Floyd.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:55 am 


SREDMOND

This happens everytime the perceived underdog does better than expected SUDDENLY these KOOKS start saying “He Won”….The thought by many was that Broner was gonna stop Malignaggi like he did Demarco at 135, but that was 12 pounds ago so Broner went 12 in his first fight at 147… BIG DEAL? He was NEVER hurt, he landed all the blows that produced hurt and we saw Paulie seek to touch not injure to the body… But again these goons say EVERYONE is “Exposed” even if they win without trauma it’s just the nature of bone head fight fans… This is NOT Khan going down AGAIN and being stung multiple times by Diaz who was put in there to make him look good….

Posted June 24, 2013 10:54 am 


Mbuyiseli

It’s the first time I see a guy who pitty-patted and held for 12 rounds get so much props from the boxing fans.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:48 am 


SREDMOND

Haimat, you WORSHIP me and the days I take my foot off your neck should be considered “vacation” or in corporate parlance “PTO days” which you are making POOR use of trying to usurp, undermine or combat your superior…Again I have a historical fondness for you “Door Mat/Haimat”…..You are a CHIN first poster who is easier to hit than Brandon Rios…

Posted June 24, 2013 10:46 am 


Mbuyiseli

By the way if one judge can see Paulie win 7-5 rounds then I can see another 117 -110 rounds for Adrien. Coz I also couldn’t see Paulie winning more than 4 rounds. If Paulie can acquire extra 3 rounds so can Broner or even more.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:43 am 


SREDMOND

Comparing ANYONE in boxing defense against World Class competitors to Floyd Mayweathers is AGAIN amateur hour… Floyd is an anomaly in this regard barely EVER taking a HARD combination or being hurt during 17 years of boxing and 21 World Title fights… This is BOXING and part of it is getting HIT…. Broner is largely an offensive fighter who goes for KO’s that is why he is on everyones radar… Floyd is comfortable technically dominating you for 12 rounds whereas at this juncture Adrian is looking to take you head off, maybe he changes maybe not… Those WEAK body shots Paulie was landing were having NO effect on Broner who protected himself fine… Even Malignaggi said it was “HARD to hit him clean” during the post fight presser… The ONLY blows worthy of a highlight reel were Broner right hands bouncing off Paulies DOME… This kid is DANGEROUS, TALENTED and if he keeps his head he might really have quite a career… He is NOT gonna be Broner by employing Mayweathers level of defensive vigilance… Floyd is a DEFENSE first fighter, Broner is OFFENSE first mixed with responsible defense….

Posted June 24, 2013 10:39 am 


Encrypted

Great article. I’m still not sold on Broner yet for number of reason. (Outside boxing and ring movement). I guess he hasn’t been force to use those attributes. Matthysse would be a good test and Khan to say. Floyd mostly fought bigger guys which force him to use those attributes. Broner walks you down, which forces you to think about what he’s going to do or not to throw some that he will make you pay for.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:37 am 


SREDMOND

Paulie would have possibly gotten the nod if this was the Olympics but this is professional boxing and meaniful HEAD snapping punches often carry the day… Compubox is a better measure of activity than it is ACTUAL effectiveness but even if you wanna use that measure Broner CRUSHED Malignaggi in the power category which is the holy grail in the PROFESSIONAL boxing world… I like Paulie and he kept Broner reasonably honest but he was the one getting JARRED and having his head snapped back while Broner rolled, slipped and laughed off his touch bodyshots…I did not think the 117-111 score was fair but most ringside experts agree Broner won the fight clearly…. Paulie got a card in Bklyn and he was NOT made a fool of so he has a platform for another fight but at the end of the day even a relatively lackluster performance by Broner who has spoiled us with SERIAL KO’s was enough to defeat a World Class Boxer after jumping 2 divisions…Broner is still moving forward like it or not…

Posted June 24, 2013 10:32 am 


SREDMOND

Any suggestions that Malignaggi was gonna hurt or could have hurt Broner if he was ANOTHER fighter are laughable… Broner never let him land any head shots of meaning and he quickly took Paulies measure and like most of his opponents realized he could not hurt him to the body… Malignaggi fought with pride and committment but he was outgunned by a younger, hungrier fighter and at the end of the day Broner added to his learning curve…There is NO shame in NOT stopping Malignaggi who is NOT a Tomato Can, he’s a World Class fighter with plenty of experience…I agree with Wallace that comparing ANY new fighter to a Mayweather, Marquez or Pacquiao type is the province of amateurs they simply DON’T have the time in the game, fights and chops to have a valid conversation… Broner is EXCITING albeit immature as 23 year olds often are no one can say he was NOT coming forward and looking to hurt Malignaggi… My one takeaway is that I don’t think Broner should be at 147, he should drop to 140 settle in and start bashing some guys down there… There are a TON of good fights, guys like Mattheysee and Garcia are dangerous but TOO slow in my estimation to cope with this kid….

Posted June 24, 2013 10:25 am 


Mbuyiseli

Hildago’s don’t care much about punch stats when its Broner but when it’s their all mighty Pacquaio against Marques they will quickly show you those stats in their third fight. Paulie was ineffective and didn’t do much. I will go out on a limb and say Broner will beat Marques easily that he did to Malignaggi due to the offensive mindedness of JMM. Broner who is more of a counter puncher chased Paulie for 12 rounds. Whether he can cut the ring or not, people like Pacquaio & Rios tend to be given extra points for marching forward but not Broner.Malignaggi knows he lost this fight and that’s a fact, he can whinge and complain all he likes. Facts can’t be altered, period.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:23 am 


Ray

Hidalgo – Im with you on that. Paulie landed some good shots. Paulie fought well and made a good fight. If only he had some pop in his punches, Broner would have been sent running for his life. Those that say otherwise are just Broner hardcore fans. It was a close fight.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:16 am 


Hidalgo

Vivek was asked who he’d like to see Broner face next. His response was “Top of my list would be Matthysse, Berto, and/or Amir Khan.” Really? You want Broner to take a step down? The great Mayweather clone? Floyd fights champions, not losers. And, Matthysse doesn’t even belong listed next to the likes of Berto and Khan. Lucas would smash Broner at this point in his game. Neither GBP or Al Haymon or anyone else will let Broner fight Matthysse next. Too much risk for the chosen one.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:14 am 


Hidalgo

“I scored it 120-108. You can’t find ONE round where Paulie landed an effective punch.” Then you’re an idiot because not one of the judges or commentator/analysts scored it like that. Not even Bernard Hopkins. Next time open your eyes when you score Correctamundo. Better yet, learn to score a fight. Paulie was very effective. That’s why he made Broner look so bad.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:09 am 


Hidalgo

“Keep dreaming. SKILLS is more important than DREAMS.” That’s right, and Paulie clearly expressed those on Saturday night. Paulie should have got the win.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:07 am 


Hidalgo

“Firstly, I had Broner a clear winner.” Well, learn how to score a boxing match.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:06 am 


Hidalgo

BTW, Vivek and others, why would Mayweather say Broner “gets hit too much” if he didn’t see it with his own eyes? Yeah, that’s right, Malignaggi really did beat Broner.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:04 am 


Hidalgo

Traditionally, the challenger has to win in a very convincing manner in order to take a title from a champion. Adrien Broner did NOT do that on Saturday night. Not by a long shot.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:02 am 


maracho

Oh yeah, what better way to compare Broner to Floyd than put him in Aganst Guerrero?

Posted June 24, 2013 9:13 am 


Anonymous

Haimat, he even debates himself, just to fool us. LOL

Posted June 24, 2013 9:11 am 


maracho

Vivic, Seth came in to win but in a different style than last time and his buckled knees after a shot to the head aint from some new pyshosomatic fear because he has suffered a lot from these punch aftershocks even early on while in his stalking mode of fights

Posted June 24, 2013 9:10 am 


FEARS

My list of 3 for Broner’s next opponent is: Garcia, Mathysse, Khan. Bradley, Marquez, Rios, Pac, Berto already have fights scheduled already and Maidana just isn’t that good. Guerrerro would also be a good test for him as well.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:04 am 


TJ

HEY VIVEK…

I don’t normally disagree with you but in this case to use COMPUBOXe, it just isn’t valid…. The reason I say so is because it is perception that is the key here.

I don’t care what his usual connect percentage is… All I care about is what I see in the ring and I didn’t see anything that made me jump and and say this is a bad man… I just saw an okay, competitive fight, which was only spoiled because Paulie has absolutely no dig whatsoever…. If he did I think Paulie could beat him!

He has a far better engine and would be more willing to engage!

BRONER told the world he was not only going to KO Paulie or in his words “KTFO,” but he said he was going to beat Paulie so bad that his career would effectively be over.

Broner did none of this… Paulie was beaten more conclusively by COTTO (who literally smashed his face to pieces), RICKY HATTON and even AMIR KHAN….

Broner bragged about what he was to do with him and for whatever reason he did not come through on his promise.

Broner could have bitten down on his gumshield and tried to walk through Paulie, but he didn’t…. Or maybe he couldn’t…. It seemed he feared going hard for 12 competitive rounds?

Anyway the stats are stats and don’t give a true picture… I think Broner only stunned Paulie on 3, maybe 4 occassions and i found many of the rounds competitive with The Problem trying to steal some in the last 30 seconds…

Against boxers with a dig and reach and height over The Problem he could be in real trouble at 147….

My observation is that he is a sucker for the right over the top or round the side as he doesn’t move his upper torso, his head and keeps it up when he punches!

Posted June 24, 2013 9:03 am 


Haimat

Anonymous, that’s interesting. If what you say is true, the dude is on ESB 24/7.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:02 am 


maracho

Is Vivick and friends all hyped up on a “Compubox” Broner, which btw have him landing more power punches than Pauli even in rounds 2 and 3 when all he mostly did was stand there taking Paulie’s many audible body shots. Moreover Compubox seems to register about half of Paulie’s body shots as non-powerful. Moever still, Vivic calls Broner more defensive than Floyd but Compubox has Broner clearly more offensive and powershooting than Floyd. So what gives?

Posted June 24, 2013 9:02 am 


Edgar Guevara

PAULIE WON

Posted June 24, 2013 8:47 am 


Anonymous

Haimat, he’s trying to fool you with this different styles ! Sredmond is Boxtradamus, Supreme Court, PE, Correctamundo, Junio, etc.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:42 am 


The Prince

Good Article. Broner won the fight, but Paulie made it entertaining. And Broner made himself the heel that will put butts in seats hoping to see him lose. At the end of the day: Broner won the fight and the haters dollars.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:41 am 


flydog

Firstly, I had Broner a clear winner. However, there were some rounds when I felt he was simply out-worked by Malingaggi and I don’t buy into this theory of ‘effective punching’. Points are scored by landing punches on the target area. I’m not aware that punches have to contain a certain amount of force to be counted as scoring. Broner landed the bigger, flashier shots no question but became one-paced and predictable as the fight wore on leaving Paulie comfortable enough to show-boat and chat to Mayweather during rounds! Neither man impressed me but I can’t argue that Broner had impressed in his previous fights and is clearly talented and doing very well for a 23 year old. Sadly, he showed none of the class in his post-fight interview that he showed against Rees a few months ago. Broner was loading up for the big shots and in doing so allowed Malignaggi to steal a few rounds. Paulie did what Paulie does. Broner can be better and I await his next choice of opponent with interest.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:26 am 


CARLOS EL GUAPO

No rematch,move on and take it to a higher level like Maidana.

Posted June 24, 2013 7:59 am 


Truth

This bum skipped 140 and went straight to Paulie for a reason, that would have been fine if he had won the fight in convincing fashion which he failed to do!

Posted June 24, 2013 7:43 am 


Haimat

Anonymous, Boxtradamus is not the same poster as SREDMOND. They are both Floyd nuthuggers, in the extreme sense, but they express themselves differently. Boxtradamus uses CAPITAL LETTERS to emphasize that something is IMPORTANT. He also uses words like WOW and “Please learn more about Boxing” Just see this thread where he posts under the alias CORRECTAMUNDO.
SREDMOND is a boring poster who will post hundreds of posts with basically the same content but different formulations. He won’t quit.
These two posters have distinct different styles but in a weird way they are very similar.

Posted June 24, 2013 7:08 am 


Anonymous

Boxtradamus = Sredmond

Posted June 24, 2013 6:42 am 


Haimat

It’s going to be hell for Broner to boil down to 135 in the future. He obviously can’t handle the big boys with his limited footwork and limited punch. How in the world will Haymond market this dude as a future opponent of Floyd when he’s fighting small unknown dudes. He’ll get kayoed if he fights any of the top guys at 140 or 147. Just like his buddy and big bro Peterson.

Posted June 24, 2013 6:23 am 


Haimat

Boxtradamus, you obviously don’t know how to score. 117-111 is as wide as it gets. One Professional judge, please note the word professional, had it for Paulie which I don’t agree with but your score is incorrect. Simple. You don’t know how to score pro boxing if you score that fight 120-108. That’s just hating.

Posted June 24, 2013 6:19 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Keep dreaming. SKILLS is more important than DREAMS.

Posted June 24, 2013 6:02 am 


Adrian

Hell even morales would give him a beating hahahahaha

Posted June 24, 2013 6:01 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

CORRECTAMUNDO is a FACT stater. And the FACTS remain whether you ignore them or not.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:59 am 


Adrian

You want more? Lol
I didnt even want to mention Thurman floyed etc who can fight at 154 if they want so I consider them big for him

Posted June 24, 2013 5:57 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

I scored it 120-108. You can’t find ONE round where Paulie landed an effective punch.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:56 am 


Ox Baker

“i scored it 117-111 for him”

find another interest. you know 0 about boxing.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:54 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

YOU can’t count to 14. SO we don’t trust YOU.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:53 am 


Adrian

Let me list boxer who would destroy this “greatness”

1.pac
2.marquez
3.mathyse
4.garcia
5.khan
6.breadly
7.rios
8.judah
9.maidana
10.lopez
11.alvarado
13.provodnikov
14.alexander

Posted June 24, 2013 5:51 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

How are you not impressed??? Broner jumping 2 Div to face Paulie is like Canelo jumping 2 Div to beat Froch. WOW!!!

Posted June 24, 2013 5:45 am 


choky

i agree with people saying that broner clearly won the fight- i scored it 117-111 for him and i really dont understand people who feel it was close- but i also agree with people saying that broner really failed to impress – as he was really never even be close to stop a guy with no powver who had been stopped before by hatton and khan (really dont udnerstand what vivek was saying in his article about paulie when the guy was already clearly stopped by 2 guys and even floored by a very average fighter such as cano)
the least u can say is that broner was far frm being impressive in his 2 biggest fights so far ie ponce de leon and malignagi- so would agree that for time being he is way overtated
this said he clearly won the fight saturday and so guess he can stil improve as he has telent -so let see but so far am not impressed at all

Posted June 24, 2013 5:39 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Compared to Paulie, Broner hits like Klitschko.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:34 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

IF you didn’t see Broner land any effective shots then you’re on your way to having better eyesight. You admitted that you didn’t see any which is GOOD. Getting past the denial stage is the first step to solving the problem. Now go and watch the Fight in slo mo. That’s about your speed…..You should now be able to see that Paulie’s punches were weaker than firecrackers. At least firecrackers have a little POP.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:33 am 


Adrian

Correctamundo “Broner’s numbers went UP vs. the CHAMP which shows that he RISES to the occasion. That’s a sign of GREATNESS. Most guys numbers go down when they face a CHAMP.”
Hahahahahaha huh ……

Posted June 24, 2013 5:27 am 


Haimat

Which alias do you prefer?

Posted June 24, 2013 5:26 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

I SAID that Rigo could beat Broner and I was CORRECT. Broner still easily beat Paulie though. As would Rigo.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:25 am 


Haimat

Boxtradamus, Correctemundo, Iseeitsometimesbutmostlynot, which name do you prefer? I didn’t see any big punches from Broner either except for the cheap shot in round 2, some elbows and a knee. Broner is a HYPEJOB. Accept it and move on!

Posted June 24, 2013 5:24 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Broner landed the most effective punches by a LANDSLIDE. Paulie needs to move down to 122. He was outgunned by a 135 lber.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:23 am 


Haimat

Judging by the fight Saturday night, Rigondeax would box circles around Broner and win a shut-out. Broner’s footwork is no better than Brandon Rios’s. He’s in for a beating once he steps up the competition. The only reason he can still make 135, which I doubt he’ll do for long, is his young age. The dude is a natural welter. He looked bigger than Paulie in the ring.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:21 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

IF you thought Broner struggled with those powder puff shots then you must’ve thought that a SHARK struggled with a Goldfish. Go get you some EYEGLASSES. Paulie’s punches didn’t even make Broner grunt or even flinch. They made him laugh and smile though. Touching someone with your gloves does not constitute an effective punch. Please learn more about Boxing.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:20 am 


Haimat

That’s right Adrian, I love the way Vivek and Boxtradamus is trying to keep the HYPE alive :)

Posted June 24, 2013 5:17 am 


Adrian

Haimat ,broner was set up for mayweather,make him p4p and then mayweather to be the first to beat him and be called after a” mayweather leftover” but I think he got exposed for that by someone who can’t even brake an egg!

Posted June 24, 2013 5:16 am 


Haimat

So boxtradamus or correctomundo or whatever his name is, just redefined the sport of boxing and what constitutese a power punch as opposed to a jab. LOL These characters on ESB, they seem to gather like flies to Vivek’s articles :)

Posted June 24, 2013 5:15 am 


Adrian

Boxtradamus or Correctemundo or whatever you call yourself these days. You’re absolutely correct. Paulie is the weakest puncher that I’ve seen in pro boxing. Still he almost beat the “FUTURE OF BOXING” :)
That’s exactly right !to call a boxer “the next big thing in boxing”and Struggling with a guy like Pauly who should have lost the last fight against a c+ fighter is Hillarious !

Posted June 24, 2013 5:13 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Paulie was NO WHERE NEAR beating Broner. This is PRO Boxing where effective punches LANDED rule the day. Paulie landed ZERO effective punches in the Fight. He landed nothing but cotton ball jabs and NON power shots. SO Compubox was INCORRECT if it says Paulie landed any power shots. IF you don’t land any effective shots you shouldn’t WIN…Paulie lost all 12 rds due to no ammunition. IF he wants to beat a Fighter like Broner he’d better take an AMMUNITION class.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:13 am 


Haimat

Welsh midget, featherfisted Paulie, what will happen when “the future of boxing” faces someone his own size who knows how to punch? I smell a knockout. He might turn defensive and lose a shut-out decision. HYPE JOB!!

Posted June 24, 2013 5:10 am 


Adrian

Seriously viv??? Lol wow…why do you need to show us numbers if you think broner won
The WHOLE point was not about Pauly at all it was about broners hype!!!
We all knew what Pauly brings in the fight but we were served with broner super talent and he was supposed to show us how good he really is especially with a guy who can’t punch and who got a gift decision in the last fight and also who is much slower then when he lost to hatton and cotto ! The point is broner didn’t deserve the hype he had about him because he fought no one good yet ,I mean he has more coverage by fighting no one then guys who are proven like Marquez ,PAC ,mathyse ,Garcia, Judah,breadly etc…?? Why? Even guys like rios ,Guerrero and especially Thurman would wipe the floor with him! I really don’t get it!!!

Posted June 24, 2013 5:08 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Give it UP for Paulie!!! He broke the record for most NON effective punches thrown in a single bout!!! Paulie’s punches are WEAKER than O’Douls….for those who are not in the know, that’s a NON alcoholic beverage.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:04 am 


Haimat

Boxtradamus or Correctemundo or whatever you call yourself these days. You’re absolutely correct. Paulie is the weakest puncher that I’ve seen in pro boxing. Still he almost beat the “FUTURE OF BOXING” :)

Posted June 24, 2013 5:02 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

The more you get hit by Paulie the more pampering you have received. The shot Paulie landed on the pic doesn’t even look like it could put a mosquito to sleep.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:54 am 


buttermancan

Good point Willy. The author laboured to point out malignaggi landed less than usual as if it should have any bearing on the outcome of this bout. Writers are dogs**t on here sometimes

Posted June 24, 2013 4:48 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

That’s why Haimat is an AMATEUR and not an EXPERT. Because he thinks that numbers mean nothing. GOOD thing that Paulie’s FACE showed that numbers mean ALOT. The more you get hit by Broner the more LUMPS you receive. Paulie’s FACE says that I am CORRECT on that.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:47 am 


Jack Jones

It will be like Lions after the little Wilderbeast (Broner). The king lion is Mathysess rest will follow and want in.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:45 am 


Haimat

Lol, this dude CORRECTAMUNDO, WOW!! Is it yet another alias of Boxtradamus, Iseeitifyoudont?

Posted June 24, 2013 4:44 am 


Jack Jones

my mouth is watering for Broner vs Mathysess. This is one beast that Golden Boy don’t want the fans to choose! Now the Cherrypicking is on the other foot. There are eight fighters right that will whoop Broner.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:42 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Everyone gets SPANKED vs Floyd SO say something we don’t already know. Broner remains as the TOP 23 yr old Boxer in the World!!!! WOW!!!!

Posted June 24, 2013 4:39 am 


Haimat

Vivek, vivek, vivek, you’re grasping for straws. All that statistical mumbo jumbo means absolutely nothing. Is that supposed to be boxing journalism or just a fan-boy speculating out loud?
Broner won a close fight but was outworked in parts of the fight and won a close decision. Paulie outlanded Broner in 5 of 12 rounds. Broner won a close decision against the weakest champ in boxing today.
Comparing this kid to Floyd is an insult to Floyd. Broner will most likely end up with the likes of Alexander, Jeff Lacy and other hype jobs. Look for him to go back down to 135.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:37 am 


Pat Mustard

Broner’s resume is total wank, him and his handlers are conmen. No respect for Ring Magazine.

He won’t fight Floyd cause he’ll get spanked.

Expect Broner to continue to be matched with easy marks.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:28 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Broner’s numbers went UP vs. the CHAMP which shows that he RISES to the occasion. That’s a sign of GREATNESS. Most guys numbers go down when they face a CHAMP.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:27 am 


carmeloPR

Pauly was robbed

Posted June 24, 2013 3:53 am 



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