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JB

Lets face it, David Haye isn’t really interested in fighting anymore. All he does is run his mouth about how great he is and how much he should be paid. Gotta win a big fight first David. Im getting bored with reading the same old crap about him.

and you all know what will happen right? a few weeks before he fights fury, he will be “injured” in training, &then he will go back on the shelf for a while, like he’s been doing.

On to the next….

Posted July 1, 2013 7:58 pm 


TARK

Dundee was wrapping Cassius Clay’s hands when Heavyweight Champion Ingomar Johansson walked into the gym with a single trainer…

Johansson’s trainer looked at Clay and said, “Hey… you’re Cassius Clay the gold medal winner aren’t you.” … “Yup” Clay said.. “Do you want to spar with the champ??” Clay said, “Ingo.. You sure you want to spar with me? I’m pretty fast.” Ingo said, “Yes.. Patterson is fast too.. That will be good..”

Clay jumps to his feet and singing and jumping around shadow boxing, “I’m going to be dancing with Johansson… I’ll be a-dancing with Yo Yo Johannson.”

Ingo said, “Is he always like this.”

Angelo says, “You have no idea what it’s like some days … with this idiot.”

Posted June 30, 2013 9:22 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

E ZE: Those are some fascinating stories! I tell that you’re a older and wiser than I thought you were if you were watching the young Cassius Clay with Dundee at the old Gleason’s gym. I can tell that you totally grew-up around the sport and that must have been really cool. My boxing experience is limited to a lot of training and a few amateur fights when I was in my early 20s — after playing some college football (Strong Safety).

Posted June 29, 2013 8:03 am 


rod

Fury vs Wilder, battle of the duckers

Posted June 29, 2013 1:54 am 


rod

Fury, ducked price, ducked Pulev, ducked Haye. Fury is the GOAT of ducking contenders.

Posted June 29, 2013 1:53 am 


James

Fury will most likely duck the Haye fight like the Pulev fight. He’ll probably go after Oquendo and say it was Haye’s fault.

Posted June 28, 2013 6:23 pm 


TARK

I post what I believe to be good bets… They’re not as frequent as my picks, because most often the odds are super favorable.

Posted June 28, 2013 4:32 pm 


TARK

Ernie below…

Posted June 28, 2013 4:26 pm 


Tark

My post below.

Posted June 28, 2013 3:18 pm 


Anonymous

TARK, always great posts. KEEP IT UP !!

Posted June 28, 2013 3:03 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Speaking of the douchenozzle- he scribbled “I wouldn’t in a million years take Cunningham over Wilder”.
Of course not, you will blow massive amounts of hot air, then give the favorite 8to5 odds at fight time. Your odds never give precise outcomes like would be needed if you were to actually make a legit bet.

Note: I am taking a sabbatical for a while due to a major surgery. To all my clones, impersonators, and fans, please cover for me in my absence. I am flying to Portland Oregon this afternoon for a battery of tests over the weekend and will be under the knife early Monday morning. The recovery time will be extensive due to the type of operations, so I will will talk to you fellas hopefully by National Vulture’s Day. Peace…

Posted June 28, 2013 2:55 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

ditto.

Posted June 28, 2013 2:22 pm 


Anonymous

Ernie is DEFINITELY obsessed with Tark. Creepy!

Posted June 28, 2013 2:15 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Speaking of morons, one of them chimed in with “If Cooney landed on Fury nothing much would happen.”
If little Steve pummeled fury with a cruiserweight shot, one of Gerry’s would have put a permanent end to the gypsy circus…

Posted June 28, 2013 12:34 pm 


Theoneandonly

Fury V Wilder

Posted June 28, 2013 9:23 am 


TARK

If Cooney landed on Fury nothing much would happen.. If Fury landed on Cooney they’d toll the 10… How many times was each taken out???

Posted June 27, 2013 9:51 pm 


TARK

Are you kidding me??? Wilder is too big for Steve… He crushes him with height, size, and punching power… Don’t even think about it… It’s a dumb fight, like Cunningham fighting Fury… Aadamek? That was a good matchup.

Posted June 27, 2013 9:33 pm 


E ZE

SQUARED CIRCLE A.K.A. Oh yes, most definitely without a doubt. Truely unforgettable times that bring back great memories. As a 9/10 yr. old youngster I first visited the old Gleason’s Gym with my dad & uncle, when it was located in the South Bronx, on Westchester Ave, a block away from the 3rd ave El subway line and 149th street. I later trained there myself. That was way before it was finally relocated in Brooklyn. I got to see Ali (then Cassius Clay) who trained there before he became champ. Angelo Dundee would usually bring his fighters like Luis Rodriguez, Jimmy Ellis & Willie Pastrano up from Miami to train days prior to their fights in the Garden.

Posted June 26, 2013 9:31 pm 


E ZE

test

Posted June 26, 2013 9:24 pm 


TARK

Assyrian God…., “I would take USS Cunningham over Mitchell, Banks, Arreola and Wilder also.”

I wouldn’t in a million years take Cunningham over Wilder… Mitchell would just over power him too… Banks??? A tough fight but Banks can be very lazy like this last fight, so yes, Cunningham might win on desire and effort.

Cunningham beats Arreola all day long. Chris has nothing going right now… No desire… No ambition… Nothing.

Wladimir flew over from Germany to support his trainer in action against Mitchell.. They interviewed Wladimir during the fight. Wladimir sounded extremely downcast and disappointed in Banks’ effort. He knew Banks was giving the fight away and he had a sorrowful look on his face.

Posted June 26, 2013 9:18 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“IMHO there is another FURY who is leages above him and that is his cousin (?) , HUGHIE FURY who had decent pedigree as an amateur and is already starting to look good in the pros!” – TJ is correct. I saw Hughie Fury fight recently. He’s got great fundamentals and better skills than Tyson.

Posted June 26, 2013 8:22 pm 


Moonshineman

I personally think Haye is a clown because of all his Klitchko, and”I’m going to retire” BS, but I can promise you he will beat the chit out of Fury. It won’t take much of an effort on Haye’s part.

Posted June 26, 2013 4:29 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

EZ E:
Glad to hear you enjoyed it. That was once crazy night! I never met Gerry or this trainer Victor Valle, or his notorious managers, Rappaport and Jones. But I heard a few stories about those guys from Gerry’s brother — who really liked to talk boxing.

That was an interesting digression about going to that fight at MSG and reunited with and/or meeting all those dudes in the dressing room. Must have been great times back then and some cherished memories. Never bean to Gleason’s Gym, but it must be one of the most famous boxing gyms in the world. Didn’t Ali, Duran, Tyson, Hagler, Hearns, Lamotta, Judah, Julio Cesar Chavez, Pryor, Arguello, Toney, Whitaker and Malignaggi all fight out of that gym too?? The place is simply legendary.

Posted June 26, 2013 4:03 pm 


Ghostrider

You annoy me

Posted June 26, 2013 3:41 pm 


Ghostrider

Shut up TJ

Posted June 26, 2013 3:40 pm 


EZ E

TJ I got to spend time as a youngster listening to Ray Arcel, Whitey Bimstein, Freddie Brown, Chivckie Ferrara talk boxing, ancedotes and history along with Victor Valle, Joe DiMaria, Pat Colavito and a truely great under-appreciated Cuban trainer, Caron Gonzalez and Joe DiMaria. Many times they found themselves working together or in opposite corners but it was all good. They rided each other but at the end there were no hard feelings. It was all part of the game they dedicated themselves to and loved.

Posted June 26, 2013 2:19 pm 


EZ E

ASSYRIAN Point well taken. Peace!

Posted June 26, 2013 2:05 pm 


TJ

MY BAD…. I meant to write Bouie Fischer, oh, yes and RAY ARCEL and ANGELO DUNDEE (rest their souls) also!

Posted June 26, 2013 12:08 pm 


TJ

TARK

I agree with you re PULEV and HAYE being sounder bets than FURT right now…. Fury would need the input of EMANUEL STEWARD (God rest his soul), BOUISE FISHER (RIP) and EDDIE FUTCH (RIP) and maybe, just maybe he could be come a great Heavyweight Champion!!!

Posted June 26, 2013 11:20 am 


dwc

Tark..Post Holmes Cooney was a zombie who shouldnt have been in the ring.Comparing those fights is like using the Holmes fight to sum up Ali it was over..finished.Ask Holmes if Cooney gave up easy in that fight.I like Fury but if Cooney landed on him like Cunnigham did and theres no reason to belive he couldnt Fury would have been taken out on a strecher.

Posted June 26, 2013 11:01 am 


dwc

EZ E…Nice level headed posts.Like I said in my last post Cus Demato..spelt his name wrong..Mike Tyson trainer..said if I had Cooney I would have waited 1 or 2 yrs and the kid would have been world champ…and the old man knew boxing.

Posted June 26, 2013 10:49 am 


TARK

Right…. They don’t have that crap in England… They actually produce good white boxers.

Posted June 26, 2013 10:25 am 


AssyrianGod

E ZE…The only reason why i use the term American is that there seems to be this underlying race issue in the US, especially regarding Heavyweights. And American White Hevies got a lot of hype, some justified, some not, some for the right reasons, some not. Personally, I think Cooney would have had a better career if he didnt have that ”Great White Hope” crap hanging around his neck.

Posted June 26, 2013 10:09 am 


TARK

Well… We know that Fury is much bigger, taller, and heavier than Cooney… We know that he’s much faster, quicker and a better boxer… We know that Fury wasn’t as good a boxer as Cunningham — but he could easily out-brawl him because he only weighed 210, and Fury just beat the turds out of him.

We know that little Light Heavyweight Michael Spinks beat Cooney up and knocked him out with little effort… We know that Cooney couldn’t change up and start brawling like Fury did against USS Cunningham… We know that Cooney was mentally weak and gave up easily … I don’t care what unknowledgeable people think, but I know Fury would have smashed Cooney right through the floorboards with little effort..

Pulev and Haye would knock Fury flat… That’s why he’s ducking them… Ditto for Wladimir… Fury wants to fight Wladimir without earning the shot.

Posted June 26, 2013 9:59 am 


TJ

EZ E

Like David Price, Tyson fury is a work in progress, but if I took him as an investment piece and had to insure him his value would be in category C/D rather than in the A or B category.

I just have nothing concrete to base his worth on….. Nothing whatsoever!

Posted June 26, 2013 9:05 am 


EZ E

TJ I tend to agree with your assessment on Cooney vs Fury in as far as WHO the victor would be. I also made reference to the Fury vs Cunningham fight for basically the same reasons and the way USS rattled Fury’s world on a couple of ocasions.

Posted June 26, 2013 8:35 am 


TJ

IMHO there is another FURY who is leages above him and that is his cousin (?) , HUGHIE FURY who had decent pedigree as an amateur and is already starting to look good in the pros!

Posted June 26, 2013 7:34 am 


TJ

SQAURED CIRCLE…. If USS had been a genuine heavyweight he would have smashed Tyson to pieces last time out.

USS wasn’t even a big puncher at Cruiserweight but was beating Tyson, until he gassed and Tyson employed dirty tactics on him before finishing him with an elbow smash against the ropes.

Against a genuine heavyweight (of which there are almost none out there), say a PULEV, I doubt Tyson would get away with these antics and take a pasting!

Posted June 26, 2013 7:33 am 


EZ E

LION KING Cool & interesting! Thanks for sharing that. I knew a bit of Gerry in his Golden Glove days and a bit better when trained by Victor Valle, a personal family friend whom taught me a few things at the old Bronx Gleason’s Gym, both my dad uncle being trainers back in the 50s/early 80s. I also knew Gerry’s stablemate Howard Davis and of course Cooney’s rather dubious/nutty managers, Rappaport and Mike Jones. I once accompanied the late Esteban DeJesus to a MSG fight vs Ruby Ortiz and Gerry was on the undercard. In the dressing room I got a chance to reunite with Victor and talk with Gerry as well. Oddly enough Cooney’s first trainer from Long Island, John Capobianco, was there with his son, John Jr, who also fought on the undercard, all in a friendly atmosphere. If I remember correctly Gerry’s bro was also there, as usual. Peace!

Posted June 26, 2013 7:31 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

EZ E, AssyrianGod, TJ & Others:

This is a TRUE to LIFE story, so please stay tuned. Years ago, I used to hang out at a bar/saloon outside of Phoenix, AZ. This was the type of place where they made you check your guns at the door because of the lax laws in AZ allowed just about anyone to carry firearms without a permit. Well… Gerry’s Cooney’s brother, Tommy, who was also a HW boxer when he was younger, used to come in there and get his drink on because he was living in the area for a while. I never spent time with Tommy personally, but we had some really cool bar-stool conversations about boxing in general, and the fact that I was always a fan of his brother.

Anyway… this one night I’m sitting next to to Tommy and we’re having some drinks and all the sudden this loud, rowdy group of Hells Angels bikers walks-in looking for trouble. We tried to mind our own business, but soon enough a couple of them were starring us down and one eventually bumped into Tommy. We’ll let’s just say that Gerry’s brother is one crazy, loose-cannon SOB. The next thing I knew I was backing up Tommy Cooney in a drunken show down with a group of about 6-8 Hells Angels who were likely strapped with knives, chains and pistols.

TC was much bigger than me, am about 5’10” and 215lbs. But somehow, by the grace of God, we stood up to those POS MFers and forced them to back down and leave us alone. In retrospect, I was being very foolish and easily could’ve been murdered that night. True Story!

Posted June 26, 2013 6:00 am 


EZ E

Let’s say that…. In one corner we have thee same Tyson Fury that scored his most impressive win to date against Cuningham VS thee same Gerry Cooney that faced Larry Holmes. Who wins?? Incidently both had 5yrs of pro experience at the time, almost the same amount of fights and almost the same age. Who wins?? Set egos, prejudices, nationalistic pride aside. Would Fury come roaring down the stretch to finally stop Gerry?? Or.. would’ve Gerry’s hooks laid him down a couple of times and quite possibly finished him off. Maybe Gerry didn’t have the strongest chin but Fury’s chin didn’t look so sturdy vs Cunningham, who isn’t known for his punching power. He floored Tyson and shook him pretty good again later. I’ve have copies of 11 Fury fights, his chin isn’t nothing close to ‘granite’, folks. Many mention Fury’s jab, which has improved, but overlook Gerry’s. You/we be the judges. Kayo?? Decision?? Would’ve Gerry dropped Fury for the count and/or lasted the route and taken a decision due to his early lead? Or.. would’ve Fury shown the grit, even he were to be knocked down, box his way out of trouble & come back to school or physically manhandle Cooney towards the end. Stoppage?? Decision?? Who wins?? Personally, I believe that the Cooney of the Holmes fight defeats the Fury that faced Cunningham. Gerry wasn’t a blown up crusier like Cunningham and Fury is far bigger than Holmes, although no where near Larry’s league. What sayith thou?? Who wins??

Posted June 26, 2013 4:36 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Let’s also NOT conveniently forget to mention that the 21-year-old greenhorn Fury knocked out McDermott in their rematch. TF knocked him down three times before the Ref saved JM. So I think It’s a mistake to try and define TF’s entire career based on his first fight with McDermott — even though TF won that decision.

Fury has admitted that he was partying way too much, not eating a clean diet, and slacking off up until the last 6-12 months. Personally, I have seen a noticeable improvement with his new-found dedication and lifestyle changes. I’m not saying that this kid is gonna go dethrone the Klitschkos, but I am saying that he’s being underestimated by many — especially after his brutal KO of U.S.S. in NYC. Real talk.

Posted June 26, 2013 4:30 am 


EZ E

ASSYRIAN In this case “AMERICAN” is unnecessary. The point is the same. We’re comparing fighters, not nations/races. Ya dig, get it, comprende?

Posted June 26, 2013 3:19 am 


TJ

TO ASSYRIAN & TARK

What are your opinions of TYSON FURY vs WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO?
TYSON FURY vs VITALI KLITSCHKO? TYSON FURY vs ALEXANDER POVETKIN? TYSON FURY vs DAVID HAYE? TYSON FURY vs DAVID PRICE?

Oh, yes…. Curve ball time, especially for my friend TARK, TYSON FURY vs MIKE TYSON of the era 1987-1989?

I would be extremely interested to know….

Posted June 26, 2013 2:21 am 


TJ

TARK

It’s always good to debate with you….

Fury does remind me of the Cooney of his day because in the 80’s Cooney was scene as a big, slightly cumbersome Heavyweight with the potential to be a champion….

Skill for skill, I see nothing in Fury, except bags of courage, a nice guy hiding behind false bravado…. He had his head boxed off by LARD BOY John McDeermott, but was robbed by the judges….

Stick Cooney in today’s mix, 30 years on and I suggest he would be every bit as big as Fury and I would suggest Cooney would blow Tyson away in double quick time, no question.

Left hook to the ribs and then as tyson brings his elbow down to protect his smashed ribs a devastating left hook to the head….. Timber…. KO!

Tyson IMHO does’t have the tools to be considered world class and if you stay up to watch him on Channel 5 or whatever delayed network, then you really are wasting huge chunks of your life.

I will sum up the TYSON FURY phenomenoM:

TYSON FURY, good talker, good hyperbole, but all talk…..

Posted June 26, 2013 2:13 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Cooney was and is a class act. It was a good ride watching him come up. I thought he was actually going to separate Kenny Norton’s head from his body with those monster shots. Today’s division is absolutely pitiful…

Posted June 26, 2013 2:04 am 


TARK

Cooney really had nothing… ZERO!!!! He was a big galoot for his day… But today he would look very small next to Fury… Pulev… The K Bros… Price… And other massive heavyweights… He was like Dimitrenko in skill, only much smaller… Dimitrenko blew over a lot of little guys.. Cooney blew over China-chinned Norton and a decrepit Lyle who only wanted a payday.. Young was done when Cooney faced him… He was snorting too.

Fury would jab the living bejabbers out of Cooney and make him look so slow and inept he’d go coke out again… Gerry couldn’t handle it mentally.

Posted June 25, 2013 9:43 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Actually Cooney had one of best left hooks in boxing history. If he would’ve had a right hand, he could’ve been HW champion of the world. Gerry knocked out both Norton and Lyle in round 1. Also had a great power jab.

“Cooney’s left-hook is described as one of the most powerful punches in boxing history. Foreman, Holmes, and Lyle all stated that Cooney’s left was the hardest punch they had ever taken. It is also notable that Holmes previously fought Earnie Shavers, and at the time stated that Shavers had the most powerful blow he had ever received.”

Why the H3LL are guys comparing Cooney to Tyson Fury??? Those two have nothing in common and their styles are totally different. You guys who keep calling Fury a joke are some of the same clowns who said he was gonna lose to U.S.S., Chisora, and Kingpin Johnson. Fury made U.S.S. look like a midget in the ring and KTFO of him and FLOORED like a limp rag-doll. And remember, Haye is about the exact same size as U.S.S. Keep on underestimating young Fury, though, because he loves to be the underdog and villain.

Posted June 25, 2013 7:56 pm 


EZ E

ASSYRIAN (I’ll omit the “god” in respect of the TRUE God) Sooner than later you’ll be saying basically about Fury you said about Cooney, “Fury was never very good, not bad but not great at all, he got too much publicity because he was a WHITE HEAVYWEIGHT…” You’ll see, mark my words. The young Cooney that faced Holmes would’ve defeated the Fury that recently fought Crusier Cunningham hands down, NO DOUBT!!

Posted June 25, 2013 6:50 pm 


EZ E

TARK ahhh.. “Fury would’ve murdered Cooney??” Are you serious? So you’re really THAT impressed & convinced with Fury already, huh?? Murdered? hmmm… Honestly, I believe you’re out of control ‘fistic evaluations’ are OVERrating Fury and erroneously underrating Cooney. It’s quite possible that you spoke too soon, without actually giving your opinion too much thought. Peace!

Posted June 25, 2013 5:23 pm 


dwc

Tark…Sorry my friend,but Fury beat Cooney..no way.Cooney went 13 great rds. with ATG Holmes.Not many today could do that.Cooney hit like a freight train,Fury dosent have a great defence.Cooney was pushed to fast he just turned 24 or 25 and needed 4 or 5 good fights more,but the big bucks was already there for the taking.Cus DeMato Mike Tyson trainer said if I had him I would have waited 1 or 2 yrs. and he would have been champ..his words.After the Holmes fight Cooney went off the deep end with booze and coke..to much pressure,after that circus media at the time.Cooney was never the same just a shell of himself should have never got back in the ring in the condtion he was in.But his handlers wanted to make a few more bucks,didnt care about his well being.Few years later he was on a tv commerical for a rehab center for people who needed help with booze and drugs.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:47 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Fury is a joke…

Posted June 25, 2013 3:55 pm 


TARK

TJ…. Tyson Fury would have murdered Cooney.. He has 3 times the chin for one thing.. He’s 3 inches taller, and 25 pounds heavier.. Cooney would look small next to the massive Fury..

LHW Michael Spinks KO’d Cooney with light little punches.. Gerry was a 4-round job for a LHW.. Spinks couldn’t last 90 seconds with Tyson.

It’s true Cooney lasted a long time vs Larry Holmes.. That beat down softened the defenseless Cooney up for everybody else.. At least Fury has more speed, agility, and boxing finesse than Cooney ever had.

And USS Cunningham weighed 210.. Ali weighed 201 for his Henry Cooper title defense … Of course Cooper weighed 185 and had tissue paper skin.

Posted June 25, 2013 3:41 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

TJ wrote

“LET’S GET THINGS INTO proper perspective. Once again, the HEAVYWEIGHT scene sucks.”

That sums it up rather nicely…

Posted June 25, 2013 3:40 pm 


TJ

LET’S GET THINGS INTO proper perspective. Once again, the HEAVYWEIGHT scene sucks.
This weekend both Johnathon Banks and Seth Mitchell had a chance to shine in the sun, but chose to bury their heads in the sand.

TYSON FURY had the chance to shine against USS, but looked like a total joke vs the talented, but blown up light punching Cruiserweight.

He reminds me in stature and body shape of GENTLEMAN GERRY COONEY, but there the comparison ends as COONEY would smash him to pieces with his left hook in little more than 2 rounds!

DAVID PRICE has always reminded me of a big robot, with too much weight/ muscle around his upper back and he got chin checked by the oldest swinger n town… TONY I’m NO Tiger THOMPSON!

Then, we come to DAVID HAYE and DEL BOY CHISORA…. You have one guy who spends most of his time looking for acting gigs, who blows after 4-5 rounds and another guy who comes on TV and says it doesn’t matter if he loses, cause he’ll always get more shots at the cherry….

If you saw his last bout, he certainly fought like he didn’t care!

Don’t mention Hellenius, despite the judges scoring for him he was soundly whipped by Del Boy and is not world class IMHO….

What I’m trying to point out is minus the KLITCHKOS we have a very average Heavyweight bunch, the likes we haven’t seen since that period in the mid-late 80’s on the demise of LARRY HOLMES and before the rise of IRON MIKE TYSON…..

HAYE is head and shoulders the best in UK and TYSON should have scraped, bowed, prostrated himself in front of David and kissed his feet and thanked him for such a generous 50/50 offer.

Fury is an awful fighter, who is lucky he is a big lump. e was soundly thrashed not so long ago by perennial LARD BOY, John McDermott, only to be saved by the blindness of the judging!
A shocking decision, that just goes to prove that the judging in UK is just as bad as anywhere else, in some case worse!

I for one wouldn’t pay tuppence to see Fury, because he hasn’t learned how to box and will be exposed if only there was a half-decent Heavyweight out there.

Posted June 25, 2013 3:25 pm 


SeanieP

def publicity stunt.

Posted June 25, 2013 3:21 pm 


boxing Barlow

Hmmm interesting stuff. I’d be suprised if Fury rejected 50/50, like it or not this would be a huge fight and a massive earner for both fighters.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:22 pm 


yo

Now that he is done ducking Haye, Fury can get back to ducking Deontay Wilder!

Posted June 25, 2013 11:04 am 


choky

was totally neutral hwver if thats true that fury refused 50/50 then he should shut up now – he is really making a joke of himself

Posted June 25, 2013 10:51 am 


talbodin

haye vs fury is something akin to bozo vs cookie.

Posted June 25, 2013 8:19 am 


TARK

Squared Circle… I don’t think you’re being fair to Price.. Any boxer can get nailed and stopped.. Many get upset by lower ranked guys.. And you hold rematches where they’ll pull the most fans and money, and try to save yourself travel, hotel rooms and per diems and the whole deal as well.. He’s going to have to travel for a really big fight..

I don’t think Thompson was expecting to win the fight.. It’s the biggest win of his career.. But he did win and now it’s going to be tougher to beat him.. Pacquiao was taken out twice in early fights.. Wladimir lost 3 times before he really benefited from Emmanuel Steward’s teachings.. It’s Boxing. It happens.

Posted June 25, 2013 6:59 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Hey LionKing: While I’m here the same could be said for home town Ward!!…………

Posted June 25, 2013 6:53 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Lionking: Agreed Price should have gone to the USA for the rematch with Thomo!

Posted June 25, 2013 6:51 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

I lost respect for Fury when he ditched the British & Commonwealth titles rather then fight David Price.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:35 am 


Haimat

correction, “the only chans Fury has”

Posted June 25, 2013 4:25 am 


Haimat

This story shows who Fury really is. I lost all respect for him as a fighter.
He obviously knows exactly what’s going to happen if he ever steps into a ring with Haye. He’ll get kayoed 98 times out of 100. The only chance Haye has of not getting KTFO is if he punches himself with that mean right uppercut again and goes to sleep.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:24 am 


TARK

Haye ducked Vitali at one point… He wanted to fight Vitali at a more optimum time for Haye and a less optimum time for Vitali… I said he was working a scam at the time — Haye said he wanted to get a World Championship so he could negotiate a K Bro fight on more even terms. Vitali and his promoter said, “You fight Chisora and we’ll fight the winner.” … Haye said “Great Deal — That’s a deal.”

After Haye destroyed Chisora while barely getting touched with a hard punch … suddenly it didn’t seem like such a wonderful option for Vitali and his promoter anymore. That wasn’t the Haye they remembered. They fought Charr and now want to fight Stiverne, a new and punchable guy who beat Arreola. The name David Haye hasn’t crossed their lips since DH took out the so-called iron-chinned Chisora like he was Danny Williams.

I understand these things. Every Heavyweight Champion going back to Joe Lewis has maneuvered past certain fights.

But let’s not give Fury a pass when he says, “Price is my challenger and I’ll live up to my obligation to fight him” and then ducks out… Say “The Pulev fight is next and the winner gets Waldimir.” and ducks out of that fight… And then talks big about fighting Haye and ducks out of that fight.

We know all three Heavyweights are dangerous and can punch a ton… and a certain 6’9″ X 250lb heavyweight got cold feet when faced with signing to fight them… Just keeping it real as opposed to offering excuses, explanations, and likely stories for either side.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:12 am 


Anonymous

I SAID THIS FIGHT WILL NOT BE MADE, FURY AND HIS CREW ARE COWARDS, HE DUCKED PRICE, AFTER RUNNING UP HIS BIG GOB, AND NOW HE WILL DUCK HAYE, IT IS A NO BRAINER AFTER SEEING HIM NEARLY GETTING CLOCKED BY A WEAK-PUNCHING LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:04 am 


tachyon

Fury can’t draw flies to a dung heap why he is asking for even 50% is a joke. Haye is the draw and would KO Fury in the first round.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:34 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

The Truth:

You can’t even use your REAL handle/name so STFU! The day you can man-up and start using your REAL name again, I’ll bother to read and respond to your comments. But NOT until then, coward. Nuff said, case closed.

Posted June 25, 2013 12:07 am 


The Truth

Show everyone how you can destroy and humiliate me. You are defending the indefensible. Fury is a loud mouthed, coward who runs when his bluff is called. It’s for all to see vs Price, Pulev, and now Haye. You go off on tangents that have nothing to do with the story, in order to deflect the realism of facts mounted against your version of the truth. Continually you tell half truths and only spruik bits and pieces of “conversations” that suit your pathetic arguments. Your deep seeded bias for and against fighters blinds you from a broad scope and alternative observations which leaves you with a tunnel visioned view.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:55 pm 


Jim

If Steve Cunningham put fury on his ass, what happens when wladimir taps him on his chin. Fury’s biggest weapon is his mouth.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:51 pm 


anon

Lets cut the who ducked who crap. Skills/reflexes/power/speed all point to a Haye win….

Posted June 24, 2013 11:49 pm 


Mongrel

Sounds to me like Haye responded by trying to negotiate a 50-50 deal in private.

The Fury calls him unprofessional when he makes Fury’s refusal to sign public.

Fury is the one who took everything to twitter previously.

I don`t hate Fury I have a grudging adminartion for him, and I don`t think he is scared. I think he is cynically manipulating the environment to try to stick to tier 2 until the 30+ year old threats retire or look bad.

But he has been outmanouevered here.

He’s like the guy who will only say something when he has friends there to “hold him back”, but now he is isolated.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:33 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

TARK: You’re right that we do agree on an awful lot. However, we will have to agree to disagree about this issue surrounding Fury, Price and Haye.

Haye actually had t-shirts made of himself holding the decapitated heads of both K-Bros in his hands. Then he ducked VK 2-3 times and had an totally embarrassing performance vs. Wlad — running and falling down the whole time while refusing to exchange.

Then he said, in so many words, that he’s retired from boxing unless he can get another K-Bro fight. What the F is that??? He’s not Prince Harry or Little Lord Fauntleroy, he supposed to be a pro-boxer who fights top-5 contenders in the world. The dude is a straight up con-man. For real,

Posted June 24, 2013 11:29 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

TARK: We’ll see if Fury is ducking Haye. Personally I believe that Fury wants to fight Haye and will eventually fight him. Fury will also fight Price, if challenged, after his fight with Thompson.

The only Fighter Fury has avoided is Pulev… and that was to focus on negotiating a BIG MONEY fight with Haye. And I don’t believe the negotiations are over yet.

If you want to bash on someone for ducking, why can’t you admit that Haye ducked Vitali 2-3 times? Mago just called out Haye on a 80/20 split. Let’s see if Haye accepts his challenge?? Personally, I see right through Haye’s “semi-retirement” tactics. He’s been able to duck quite a few top contenders that way while begging for another fight with Wlad.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:00 pm 


Mongrel

After refusing to fight Price for the British title he fought cab driver Martin Rogan for the Irish title, taking him precisely 0% closer to a world title shot.

Winning a LOnsdale outright is prestigious for British fighters on their way up. Lennox did it. Price wants to do it.
The only reason Haye didn`t is that he was already above that level when he got to the division in terms of money and ranking.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:00 pm 


TARK

Squared-Circle, I agree with you a lot …. but Fury DID duck Price..

He gave up his British and Commonwealth rather than fight a super big money fight with David Price.. That was after Fury had a very rugged 2 fights with John McDermott … and Price smashed McDermott out easily in the 1st round. Price didn’t look weak chinned at the time.

Fury doesn’t walk the talk … and he’s ducking Haye.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:51 pm 


The Truth

Lion King – You are really trying hard to convince yourself of Fury not being a coward. You often make laughable rants when decisions, stories or the plain truth doesn’t go the way of your favourites. Hahahaha. Of course Fury ran from Price. You don’t drop 2 titles and face Rogan, because a win against Rogan will get you further from World Title fame than a win against Price. He ran from Pulev plain and simple, when a win would of given him a title shot. Now he is running from Haye after being shown as a coward by social media.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:33 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

80% of a match with Mago may only be 10% of the purse Haye can get with many other fighters…

Posted June 24, 2013 10:29 pm 


Pat Mustard

I am a Fury fan but asking for 80% is laughable, you don’t even deserve 50% mate.

I like how Haye has started looking for fights against credible contenders like Chisora and Fury, he needs to earn a Klitschko bout, he’s only one fight removed from a loss. Haye should fight Wilder, end the hype train.

Clear duck from Fury.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:00 pm 


Mongrel

Fury has just walked into someone who plays the media game and is a better talker than him.

Noone in the world thinks he deserves a bigger split than Haye.

He`s used Hayes name to get out of fighting Pulev, and now wants to extricate himself and fight safe until Wlad takes care of Pulev, but Haye has exposed him publically.

If he won`t take 50% of a Haye purse then he can`t offer money as any kind of motivation.
If he won`t take an eliminator vs Pulev he can`t offer rankings/title shot as a reason.

He has misunderstood the public here, since he is positioning himself to fight noone until the threats retire, when the biggest plus he had was the crazy gypsy fight anyone thing.

Posted June 24, 2013 9:31 pm 


Fight Aficionado

LOL all the Fury haters coming out of the woodworks now. Faye can point the finger all he wants but he’s the one who’s ducked every tough fight possible and the one time he faced a top heavyweight he ran for his life. Fury is facing the best comp of the young contenders. Those who deny that please name one who’s faced better comp. The only one even close is Jenkins.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:16 pm 


Lefty

Fury wins by singing haye to death.

Posted June 24, 2013 8:06 pm 


I hope real boxing fans read this

And he actually thinks and even BOASTS that beating Kevin Johnson, who incidentally couldn’t even win prizefighter ffs! and a blown up cruiserweight in Cunningham deserves praise?????? I was a HUGE fan of Fury at one time. But now, after pulling out of ANOTHER serious test on paper, I’ve lost ALL RESPECT. And these feelings are no doubt echoed amounf numerous fiight fans and FORMER Fury fans

Posted June 24, 2013 6:49 pm 


I hope real boxing fans read this

Really this needs to be highlighted. After calling out Price he then AVOIDED him when a serious offer was made. After calling out Wilder he then AVOIDED when another serious offer was made. After being ordered to fight Pulev for the right to fight Wlad for all the glory he AVOIDED that fight too. Now after calling out Haye and being offered the fight he is now once more AVOIDING.

Posted June 24, 2013 6:44 pm 


Decker

The truth is BOTH of these fighters have played delay and bait n switch games during their careers – Fury is just younger than Haye.

I think this could be a fairly entertaining fight. If Fury gets past the early rounds could be a hell of a night for Haye.

Agree – if truly on the table – 50/50 purse split is good for Fury. Don’t forget Fury is about as much of a draw as Haye. And while less accomplished than Haye, what exactly is Haye’s claim to HW glory? Barely dec. Valuev, stopping Harrison LOL? His best win at HW was most likely the KO of the rugged Chisora. Meh.

Posted June 24, 2013 6:43 pm 


Dan Adams

I’ve been a big fan of Tyson Fury, but if what David Haye says is true, that Fury declined a 50/50 split of what is sure to be one huge purse, then he’s lost a whole bunch of credibility with me. I don’t blame Fury if he doesn’t want to fight David Haye; it’s a dangerous fight that may derail his title fight aspirations; but if Tyson doesn’t want to fight he should stop talking like he wants the bout because public opinion being what it is, he might be forced to take the bout or lose his fanbase. Come on, Tyson Fury, I love the way you talk the talk, but sooner or later you have to walk the walk.

Posted June 24, 2013 6:42 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

correction: “…. (left-hand margin)..”

Posted June 24, 2013 5:44 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

We’ll I’m not on Twitter so can’t go get the full story for myself. But I did go through all the Tweets on the ESB homepage (right-hand margin) and all I saw was Fury talking more trash to Haye… and Haye refusing to respond. So…. something is very fishy here.

Official negotiations for mega-million dollar boxing matches should never be done via Twitter. If that’s what Team Haye just did, then they just took the sport to a whole new low. Twitter is for making jokes, stupid little comments and talkin’ trash. Twitter is NOT the medium to be negotiating the terms of major prize fights.

I’ll have to learn all the background details before making a final conclusion about this clouded mess, that was apparently stirred-up via social media. One reason why I’ve NEVER been on Twitter or Facebook — and never will.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:41 pm 


TARK

@Squared-Circle…, Think about it bud… What are Fury’s people going to say??? They DIDN’T acknowledge Haye offered them a 50/50 split which nobody in the world thinks Fury deserves.. They DIDN’T acknowledge that Haye started pushing and negotiating hard for the fight..

They said, “We been ready from day No 1 and still are” … They’re ready??? FOR WHAT???

Not to sign for a 50/50 purse split.. Or to accept any reasonable offer coming from Haye’s people over the last week or so.. They don’t want to face Haye for ANYTHING that’s reasonable. They don’t want to fight.

It’s like Oscar De La Hoya offering Bernard Hopkins 25% of the money to 75% for De La Hoya and 24 hours to make his decision — and then going incommunicado. Bowie Fischer said, “It’s not a serious offer. It’s a bluff. We have to grab it. They just want to say they made us an offer and we didn’t accept it. Let’s catch them with their pants down.” Oscar had been known to make insincere offers to Mosley, Trinidad, etc. That gave all the money to Oscar.

The Fury team doesn’t want to face Haye, and get KTFO, and lose Fury’s marketing value as an undefeated heavyweight contender… But they do love free publicity and know how to bally hoo it up.

Posted June 24, 2013 5:34 pm 


Haimat

Squared-Circle, no haters here. Just read both guys twitter. Haye offers 50/50. Fury rejects it and offers 80/20 and Team Fury gets mad because Haye made the negotiations public. It might be fishy but how do you interpret that?

Posted June 24, 2013 5:07 pm 


Haimat

Fury just lost all credibility if this fight doesn’t happen

Posted June 24, 2013 4:47 pm 


KOrnerman

I agree with most on Fury and I think he should have taken the fight,granted his train would get wrecked but he’d have made made a few million £, how the hell is he going to do better than that? I cant see it some how, he should have took the 50/50 got KO’d and enjoyed his £2 million in his big deluxe trailer,the richest Pikey EVER!

Posted June 24, 2013 4:39 pm 


BigfootMonster

Fury vs Haye would be another Valuev vs Haye.

Posted June 24, 2013 4:32 pm 


WHAT!?!

Fury ran from Price. Fury ran from Pulev. Fury ran from Haye. You know what these guys have in common……power. Why fight a guy who has been beaten by Toney? Fight the raw and amateurish guy who just waxed Toney in Lucas Browne. Oh wait for all his flaws, he has power too. Fury is a coward, plain and simple.

Posted June 24, 2013 3:42 pm 


TJ

FURY (a legend in his own mind) has done absolutely nothing in boxing to deserve a 50/50 split with David Haye. He should have been gateful, got on his knees and licked David’s boots and thanked him for that sort of offer.

Tyson reminds me of the dog with a bone in its mouth that spots a dog in the water with a bone in its mouth, not realising it is his own reflection!

In his greed and avarice, he tries to bark and grab the bone and in the process he loses the bone in his mouth and ends up with nothing!

Fitting summarisation of Fury’s career so far!

He’s done absolutely nothing but bark, without delivering any bite!

Posted June 24, 2013 3:08 pm 


TARK

Fury pulled out of fights with Price, Pulev, and Haye… He took fights with pushovers instead… There’s a pattern of behavior here.

He uses the fights that fans are drooling about to get a lot cheap publicity… Then he says the other side won’t meet his terms and pulls out… Going to 50/50 was a monster move by Haye… He obviously can see the monetary potential in the fight and did everything he could to get it … Why not out a four flusher on Twitter???

Call an ALLTALK braggart what he is.

Posted June 24, 2013 3:05 pm 


Falcon

Fury a fraud …pulls outa Charr n Haye n lookin 2 fight older journymen with no big punch until he gets exposed…china chin 4 a giant

Posted June 24, 2013 2:56 pm 


GUMBOOT

It’s all hype, noise, smoke and mirrors people. Don’t buy into this. Fury was never going to fight Haye at present. He is still a work in progress and a young one with time on his side. Fury’s people aren’t stupid enough to let him take this sort of huge risk at this stage. The risk well outweighs the reward. Fury isn’t ready for Haye, nowhere near it.

Posted June 24, 2013 2:45 pm 


Amber

Haye is damn hot !!!

Posted June 24, 2013 2:45 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

Yeah ….. sounds like Fury has deliberatly priced himself out of it ……

Posted June 24, 2013 2:40 pm 


tbone

this is just david the con man haye trying to milk the cow for even more money than his dire perfomances are worth

Posted June 24, 2013 2:39 pm 


Boesman

Fury wants no part of Haye as he and his family know it will be an easy night’s work for Haye. Fury will fight another journeyman for sure

Posted June 24, 2013 2:34 pm 


PEEJ

Don’t really like Haye but 80/20 is ridiculous.

Posted June 24, 2013 2:34 pm 


Harry

Fury is CRAZY! He thinks he’s worth more than 50/50 when he’s never won a world championship of any kind. He’d get knocked out so asking 80/20 in his favor is his way out. Looking at the big picture he avoided taking the fight which, if won, would have put him in front of Klitschko. There is no way that he could beat Klitschko so he didn’t take that path. The excuse? A possible big fight with Haye….he’s realized that too is a short path to losing his unbeaten record. His way out of that one? Ask for a ridiculous split that nobody in Haye’s position would accept. Solution: 80/20 to the winner, 50/50 in the event of a draw. Let see how Fury squirms his way out of that one.

Posted June 24, 2013 2:15 pm 


Juneau

If all of this is true it proves that Fury is all talk, calling out a fighter that has the goods to obliterate him, but hypes himself up in order to keep the money machine rolling. I don’t mind Fury, he adds a bit of entertainment to the heavyweight scene, but knows rightly that it’s only a matter of time before the brakes are slammed and the hype job is derailed.

Posted June 24, 2013 2:13 pm 



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