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Gonzo the Dragonborn

Mick the Marmalizer.. You were being EXTREMELY generous there. You’d be lucky if 1% of the population of the UK had ever heard of that faux Christian creep.

I bet 10% of the US population don’t have a clue who he is. lol

Posted June 26, 2013 11:22 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

And also if asked the answer would be “What’s a Klitschko?”

Posted June 26, 2013 11:02 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

If I walked down any big city street in the U.S. & asked the question, less than 2% of the general public would have heard of Carl Froch or David Price — that’s being generous.

Posted June 26, 2013 6:33 pm 


Hidalgo

“US currency is garbage to us at the moment.” That’s interesting Mongrel considering that it takes $1.08 Aussie dollars to equal the value of one U.S. dollar. And also considering how many more of your dollars it takes to do business in Europe–China, maybe not so much. I do understand your lack of desire to do business with American companies that don’t pay you, I mean, who would want to? But to say US currency is “garbage” when your dollar is worth even less on the world market seems unjustified to me.

Posted June 26, 2013 12:01 pm 


Mongrel

Fans don`t fight the fight but fighters are influenced by their environment, like any person is. Home advantage isn`t just the field, it`s a ton of variables, and you are alwas more comfortable spending time in an environment you are used to., it`s well established across all sports. You can make the adrenalin argument about any sport.

Home fighters won EVERY fight in the S6. Home crowds influence judges, they influence fighters, if for no other reason than making people more or less aggressive to account for it.

If you want to make the case that Ward being in the US isn`t as much off an advantage as Froch being in UK I can totally accept that.

Froch has captured UK imagination more than Ward has US. Froch has had a load of barnstorming fights, he isn`t as talented, but he has shown something people love.

I`m not saying Froch beats Ward in Nottinghsm, I think Ward beats Froch anywehere on talent, though a ref who limits Wards holding and leading with the head tighterns things.

The fact os though. more money in UK, they have fought in US already so why not in UK/

RE currency, I am not in Europe I am in Australia and US currency is garbage to us at the moment. I don`t consult with US firms any more because they can`t afford it. Not meant as an insult but China is where the money is at, CHina and Europe. We`ve had US companies unable to pay their debts to us, that is why I am not big on the US.

Posted June 26, 2013 6:11 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

If I walked along any street in the UK & asked the question, about 10% of the general public would have heard of Andre Ward & that’s being generous!

Posted June 26, 2013 2:45 am 


PEEJ

Not sure where you get that our currency is garbage. Yes the Euro is worth more so what. And to say most of Wards fans are on food stamps is just a stupid comment. Who cares.

Posted June 26, 2013 2:11 am 


PEEJ

How is it more of an advantage? The fans don’t fight the fight. Plus Froch had more fans there than Ward. And bringing up Pac selling out a stadium is false. He did not sell out Dallas stadium. He sold a bit load of tickets though. But lets not forget a lot of those tickets where $25. It’s easy to sell many tickets when tickets are that cheap. Same thing Canelo did at the Alamoedome when Canelo sold tickets for $10. Yes we have heard some times fans chanting USA. But it’s still the fact there here in the Is if your not from that state you do not have home field advantage. And the real reason home field matters in other sports is because you actually know the field, know how the ball bounces off the rim or know how hard the ground is. In a boxing ring that really doesn’t mean too much. Can you get a little adrenaline, yeah I’m sure you can but to the elite fighters that really doesn’t matter

Posted June 26, 2013 2:06 am 


Mongrel

PEEJ – why have I on numerous occasions heard American fans chanting “USA USA USA” at fights. They aren`t shouting out state names.

And how many American fans are on here saying “Oh I don`t like Ward cos he is from Oakland and I am from Philly”?

US fans love to talk about Eurotrash or British bums, yet how often do they deride “East Coast trash”, or “Texas tripe”

It`s on Wards head if he can`t entertain his own nation enough to fill even a moderately sized arena outside of Oakland. Pacquaio isn`t even American and he was filling out stadiums in Texas creating a great atmosphere because he offers action and charisma.

Fighting an American anywhere in America is not neutral territory. It might not be AS advantageous to the American if it isn`t his hometown, but it is still more of an advantage to him than to the foreign fighter, and in financial terms is less advantageous to BOTH fighters given that the US dollar is like toilet paper at the moment, and most of Wards fans are on food stamps.

Posted June 26, 2013 12:06 am 


PEEJ

Gonzo yes Atlantic City is in the US but we have states. So Atlantic city is not home turf for Ward. The US is not like England where they all like there fighter. If you are not from that state that is not your home turf.

Posted June 25, 2013 11:11 pm 


HHLondon

Good post Al. Pretty much it in a nutshell.

Posted June 25, 2013 10:53 pm 


Big Al

I don’t think anything can change Ward’s lack of fan appeal or PPV potential. He’s just not crossover material. Sure he’s great, but if greatness equalled fame, fortune and a rabid fanbase, fighters like him and Ricardo Lopez would be household names. But as I recall, Ward was the one who turned down a Bute fight and encouraged Froch to take it, and then killed numerous opportunities to fight overseas and raise his international profile by insisting all his fights take place in Oakland. I understand he’s probably upset seeing Froch, Kessler and Abraham making millions, fighting for titles, selling out stadiums and being watched on PPV; afterall, he beat these guys, but they do something he doesn’t: they’re willing to travel and make some sacrifices in order to get ahead in the long run. Ward wants everybody to accept having to fight in Oakland even though there’s no money in it and with all CA judges and refs. Don’t work that way.

Posted June 25, 2013 10:05 pm 


Mongrel

@Happyboy, Tyson did adopt a character quite brilliantly.

I`m a massive fan of his Mark Anthony.

“Friends, Romans, Holyfield lend me your ears…”

Posted June 25, 2013 9:16 pm 


Today british sù%k!

Sure they are 100% europeans now! liars, cowards, big mouth, hypocrites etc

And of course they can’t live without watching the US and talking about Americans !

Posted June 25, 2013 9:14 pm 


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Posted June 25, 2013 9:06 pm 


Rem

Happyboy sad but true. I still luv to hate him for the Pac drama though lol.

Posted June 25, 2013 6:44 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Ward requested that his manager and co-promoters meet with HBO to discuss the September date, future bouts and marketing plans, Goossen refused to attend the meeting.” – That’s bizarre. Why wouldn’t Goosen meet with HBO? Sounds like an internal power struggle was underway before this Sept fight date was available. Someone needs to dig up the dirt on this one.

Posted June 25, 2013 5:25 pm 


Tony Wolfbones

Michael Jordon don’t get much love either.

Posted June 25, 2013 5:22 pm 


Tony Wolfbones

Raymond Leonard did alright for himself.

Posted June 25, 2013 5:21 pm 


Happyboy

You wonder why Floyd adopted the act of villain, now check him bank balance. He wasn’t always a villain when he started just a brilliant boxer but that don’t sell tickets in America you got adopt a character like Ali, like Tyson, like Mayweather. You got to play a role to support your talent kinda like WWF.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:53 pm 


Rem

Boxer couldn’t agree more. How the hell this guy isn’t adored by the U.S has me clueless. Cleaned out his division then beat the lineal lhw champ. Class act great role model flat out how a true all American should carry himself. I just can’t say enough about Ward. Instead this dumb country gets so wrapped up in hating Floyd and fall into his simple trap of using their hate against them and will probably retire a half a billion richer for it. America is truly a dumb country and on its way out. Yeah i said it.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:11 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I agree with both brother Ernie’s first reply to me in this thread and his last one too.

Posted June 25, 2013 3:24 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Nobody only fights at home, holds and headbutts with so much class as Andrea Ward…

Posted June 25, 2013 1:37 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Am I Spencer Oliver?? Good lord no. lol. Whatever gave you that idea? lol.

I’d say a white version of a young Clint Eastwood circa 1964 A Fistful of Dollars time would be the closest comparison I could think of to myself.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:25 pm 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

LMAO…Ofcourse Ward is pissed …He makes squat compared to other boxers and given his position 1 SMW 2 P4P(Which is bs) should…But here’s the hard naked facts for Ward…No fanbase,Fighting home for 0 attendants,Buying refs/judges does not mean big profits to share for his promotor…And given Wards flat personality out of the ring not alot of commercials/Sponsorships for him….So i’m guessing Goosen takes the right(Unfair) percentage he should compared to other promotors….But Ward can’t understand he makes so little and concludes it must be his handlers problem and not his….In my opinion no boxer should be held in slave-like contracts by their promotors…But Ward has got alot of growing up to do…If he thinks he can continue down the same path and make more money by his own or with another promotor….Advantages cost money..

Posted June 25, 2013 1:21 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Fears.. You’d best change your moniker quick sharp. It’s way to similar to that of brother Bears and it would reflect badly on both him and Gonzo if people were to mistake you for him and think that he was the author of the unadulterated tripe your kind spew.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:17 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Lol. Excellent work brother Mongrel. Gonzo would also like to take this opportunity to lavish praise upon our new recruit MTB King for his sterling contribution to this thread as well. It’s always a boon to see the emergence of new converts to the cause. Your appraisal of Andre ‘Son of Judas’ Ward is both lucid and unerringly accurate.

If you hang around long enough Gonzo might re-post the mother of all posts regarding the nefariousness and grotesque hypocrisy of this boss-eyed orangutan-bollocked faux Christian @nus-sniffing bisexual reptile and his worm-faced parasitic leech of a trainer. A word of warning though.. The last time I did so this site went into a state of complete meltdown and there were at least 40 reported suicides in the city of Oakland.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:13 pm 


Boxer

Andre ward is the true p4p king, it’s like if Floyd would have beat pacman,prime margarito, prime cotto,prime Mosley, and a prime de la Hoya, that’s what ward did at the tournament, as so all you guys know they don’t give ward what he deserves because they don’t like what he represents! Period a good hearted faithful man full of love with Jesus in his heart is not what they want, they love the mayweathers flashing money, broner talking about women and money that’s what they want boxers poisoning young mines, well guess what it’s easier to be bad than it is to be good therefore andre ward is a MAN of Jesus god bless.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:02 pm 


FEARS

Ward has always been a class act and I hope things work out in his favor. That’s funny KOrnerman talking about Froch would KO Ward in England. HAHAHAHA!!! As if Froch got robbed by the hometown judges the first time they fought. Why even watch the fights if you won’t accept the outcome when your fighter gets his ass handed to him?

Posted June 25, 2013 12:07 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Nice work Mongrel…lmao

Posted June 25, 2013 11:06 am 


Hidalgo

“There’s always two sides to every story.” I’d like to hear Goosen’s side of the story.

Posted June 25, 2013 10:44 am 


Prof Konje

More boxers should follow what Ward has done. If they did, then fans would get to see more competitive matches and boxers’ may be able to make some decent money. Unfortunately many boxers do not have the funds or “clout’ to take their promoters or managers to court.

Posted June 25, 2013 9:55 am 


TARK

Boxing is dirty… Goossen is a bad actor… Ward needs to clean this guy out.

Posted June 25, 2013 7:47 am 


Anonymous

Poor Andre finally picked a fight where being in California WON’T work to his advantage- Goosen practically owns the California comission and they’ll do what he says.

Posted June 25, 2013 7:28 am 


MTB KING

Winner will b decided based on the golf scoring system

Posted June 25, 2013 4:30 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Boxing Promotors/Managers are all the same be it Dan Goosan, Al Weill, Frank Warren, Don King, Bob Arum, Frank Malloney or Tex Rickard ETC & only out for themselves & to make as much ca$h as possible! Politics has always been a thorn in the side of the greatest sport in the World & always will be. Good luck to Andre Ward in his quest for freedom as the #1 in the World @ 168Lb I’d like to personally see him back in the ring as soon as possible(all be it outside of the USA)!

Posted June 25, 2013 4:15 am 


KOrnerman

Ward,He’s definitely in the who needs him club.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:14 am 


MTB KING

Ward hit the deck hard vs Darnell the bum boon who is a crude journeyman. Wards day will come

Posted June 25, 2013 4:08 am 


KOrnerman

If he has the nads to come to England I reckon Froch KO’s his ass,for real.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:07 am 


MTB KING

Lmfao @mongrel. Kornerman, the article isn’t really about boxing mate, chill winstaan

Posted June 25, 2013 4:07 am 


KOrnerman

I still think Ward can be KO’d, its just trying to catch him flush is the problem.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:04 am 


KOrnerman

get back to boxing fella’s and grow up and stop slagging each other off, thats what facebook is for, Ward is being stifled and is doing the right thing to get away from that parasite Goosen.

Posted June 25, 2013 4:02 am 


MTB KING

Lol

Posted June 25, 2013 4:00 am 


Mongrel

@MTB…..that reminds me of one of Hattons little quips…ahem…..

“Laila Ali – whoah! I`d love to see her box”

Posted June 25, 2013 3:49 am 


MTB KING

Anyone watching Wimbledon? Maria sharapova was on yesterday, I’d love to munch on that!

Posted June 25, 2013 3:39 am 


Mongrel

Ah Nightstalker……..an interesting patient.

He was committed 3 years ago after being found in a suburban park trying to penetrate an understandably surprised Mallard.

Since that time and despite continued state sanctioned psychotherapy his progress has been at best, glacial.

He maintains a faecal fixation, and relates to the world solely through this warped and deviated disorder.

Just recently fellow patients complained of faeces upon the computer in the communal area, and upon staff entering Nightstalkers room to address this issue, they found him upon his knees apparently in some act of worship towards a mural of Andre Ward crudely sketched upon the wall in his own filth.

Recommend increasing his medication.

Posted June 25, 2013 3:25 am 


MTB KING

Gonzo, are you Spencer Oliver? Lol

Posted June 25, 2013 3:21 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I don’t think he swings that way though.

Posted June 25, 2013 2:59 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

TNT.. You seem to have got all excited towards the end of your post. You went all capital letter crazy. Easy to see what went down here. The thought of Andre Ward getting back IN THE RING obviously made you shoot your load and you lost all bodily control for a few seconds.

Posted June 25, 2013 2:56 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Gary Shaw is a straight up pimp. I got much love for G-Shaw

Posted June 25, 2013 2:42 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit> You best get back in

Posted June 25, 2013 2:35 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

PEEJ.. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Atlantic City situated somewhere in the United States of America? I’m pretty sure it is you know. That said, I might be mistaken about that.

Posted June 25, 2013 2:28 am 


B Red

Promoters like Goosen and Gary Shaw get the Network to pay for the venue, without putiing money in the interest of the fighter they promote ya dig. The problem thats seems to be a reacurring act, is the fact that there is minamal biig fights at Wards weight class, ya dig

Posted June 25, 2013 2:01 am 


TNT

Good for Andre, AndreWard is a class act, great ring anouncer. I cant wait for AndreWARD TO GET BACK IN THE RING

Posted June 25, 2013 1:25 am 


Happyboy

We all appreciate the work the promoters do to make the fights however Ward is the one fighting in the ring. His the top dog. His not an employee. He employs Goosen to promote him and get him home home advantage if he can besides it’s not as if home advantage is the reason Ward is winning, it’s hardwork, discipline and dedication that has got Ward where he is. These promoters have too much control over boxers when it should be the other way round.

Posted June 25, 2013 1:23 am 


Night Stalker

Mongel shut up too

Posted June 25, 2013 1:11 am 


Night Stalker

Gonzo takes a bath in horse manure, that is why brain is flooded with poop

Posted June 25, 2013 1:08 am 


PEEJ

I am not really sure what this is all about but regardless if he did secure him home advantage for all his bouts even though his fight was Froch was not a home bout, he is holding up his career. So since he helped him in the tournament it is ok to do what ever you want to the fight, including not getting him a fight this year? Ward has already missed a lot of fighting time and his prime is now and he needs to be fighting. Like I said I am not sure what is happening but if he is trying to hold up Wards career like Arum has done to some fighters and King has done to some fighters then he needs to let loose and let Ward go.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:51 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Gonzo hit it on the head…

Posted June 24, 2013 11:39 pm 


badger

isn’t ward the last American to get a gold medal at the Olympics? goosen probably gets a third of wards purse so of course he “helps” him.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:35 pm 


juggernaut

I like his move. He is a hungry fighter and knows he is skills are at the top of the game now.

Posted June 24, 2013 11:12 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

After all that Goossen has done for him. He secured him ALL him home advantage for all of his fights in a tournament where the home fighter never lost. Dipped into his own pocket to pay off off judges and referees. He also even forked out huge sums of his own cash on buying Oakland crack addicts and homeless people tickets to Andre’s fights to make it seem like people were actually interested in watching him hug and billy goat butt his way through 12 rounds of mind-numbingly soporific ‘action’ too.

Andre ”Son of Judas” Ward :(

Posted June 24, 2013 11:06 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Badger-Looks like you don’t understand how the fight game actually works…

Posted June 24, 2013 10:26 pm 


Tomato Can

There’s always two sides to every story. Still, Andre has been piling up outside the ring problems.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:24 pm 


Crib Death

Goosen is a scumbag. Good for Ward and I basically cannot stand watching him fight.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:19 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

cnut

Posted June 24, 2013 10:16 pm 


badger

no ernie, Ward is in the ring.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:07 pm 


badger

I am not a ward fan, but good for him to break away from Goosen. Ward needs to get busy and make some $. there are many good fights out there for him.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:06 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Goosen made Andrea’s career.

Posted June 24, 2013 10:05 pm 



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