It’s Me, Ernie
Staredowns are an important aspect of the sport. Talking trash may help get under the opponents skin, but the actual act of looking into the eyes lets the opponent know the state of mind, confidence, fear, etc…Posted June 28, 2013 12:14 pm
The stare down is not a problem for Floyd… Stare downs are juvenile… They’re stupid…but the fans love them…
Its beat downs that kill you.Posted June 28, 2013 11:46 am
Any fighter who wears sunglasses to a stare down does so for reasons other than to look “cool.” Wearing sunglasses prevents your opponent from making you feel fear or intimidated. Only floyd knows why he wore them, but its not to present a cool image. If you’ve seen some of the pictures from this event, when floyd does not have sunglasses is when he is walking or staring at the camara for a pose, but he strangely keeps them on for stare down. Hmmmmm.Posted June 28, 2013 11:21 am
“PEEJ…. Lederman is one of the worst Boxing scorers I’ve ever seen… ” Lederman has also been known to score according to which fighter he likes. Sometimes, his scoring appears to depend on which way HBO pushes him. Either way, even though Lederman does get it right on sometimes, I wouldn’t trust his scores for most fights.Posted June 28, 2013 10:10 am
“FMJ has to keep wearing shades at there stare downs because he’s trying to hide his FEAR from Canelo. ” Sorry, F.A., Floyd has never demonstrated fear of any opponent.Posted June 28, 2013 10:07 am
The Voice of Boxing
It is obvious that Saul ALvarez is the one driving the sales on this fight. First, he pulled out of Floyd’s fight to show that by being on the undercard he was actually driving Floyd’s sales up especially fighting on days that are significant to Mexicans. Secondly, because the sales for the Guerrrero fight were so small, (they are still searching for them), Floyd had to come down off his high horse and face Canelo. I know Floyd is steaming because he feels he is boxing. I have news for him, boxing survived before when its biggest stars left and it certainly did when he retired.
Squared Circle – thats comment is definately in the P4P Dumbest comments on ESB. You have just elevated your statue to that of Chicago Guy/ Hecdog #1P4P Dumbest Poster on ESB.Posted June 28, 2013 2:34 am
Funny I said the same thing when they asked Pac about Floyd on ESPN and he had to put on his sunglasses to say he could beat Floyd but nobody believed me. But I just don’t see Floyd being afraid. He’s not fighting Tyson. He is fighting someone who has only fought 1 real 154 pounderPosted June 28, 2013 1:57 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
FMJ has to keep wearing shades at there stare downs because he’s trying to hide his FEAR from Canelo. FMJ is experienced to know that if Canelo sees true fear in his eyes that it will significantly boost Canelo’s confidence and the ferociousness of his brutal attacks. The eyes are the windows to the soul. So keep on hiding your FEAR behind those shades, FMJ!Posted June 28, 2013 1:30 am
Floyd survives and wins big, crowd boooos, seen this before….passPosted June 28, 2013 1:02 am
PEEJ – that is my issue with it as well. One solution could be to have judges advised to be looser giving 2 point rounds even without a knockdown if one guy is acting too defensively.Posted June 28, 2013 12:03 am
There does need to be a system about weeding out terrible judges. Heck we know who some of them are but yes they keep getting jobs. Terrible.Posted June 27, 2013 11:53 pm
So say you have an action packed fight, a brawl if you will. Then by the 10th or 11th round the fighter sees he is ahead, maybe by 2 points, everybody thinks its a toss up fight and the last round or 2 will determine who wins. But we already know the score and so do the fighters. So the fighter with the lead decides I am not gonna take any more punishment and starts running like Oscar did against Tito or that guy Hakkar or what ever his name was did against Hopkins. You just pretty much took all the drama out of a fight. Even if the guy is up by 3 points with 2 rounds left, heck he will say ok I am gonna run the next 2 rounds and still win by a point. That is just rediculous. I love those close fights and the fighters reaction at the end of the fight whether he won or lost. That is priceless and that is why I dislike open scoring. So I say to the hell with open scoring. There is no need for it in boxing.Posted June 27, 2013 11:52 pm
I`d support open scoring if there was a counterbalance to stop someone turning completely defensive once they calculate they have enough rounds banked.
Perhaps if refs were instructed to be harsher with penalties for holding/failure to engage.
I`m thinking of the likes of someone like Andre Dirrell banking 2 early rounds then literally running away for the rest of the fight.Posted June 27, 2013 11:50 pm
We need open scoring that is better than the existing open scoring… It should be Round-by-Round open scoring flashed on the screen like they do for the slo-mo replays that make the fans oooh and ahhhh.
The technology is there… The 3 judges names should appear on the screen after each round with their scores.. Judges would be more judicious in their scoring because everyone can see immediately who the idiot is.. If there’s a venue without big video screens—the round card girls can do their ring walk with the judges’ individual results on huge cards..
There also needs to be a better system of weeding out judges who are really, really bad—because they seem to have permanent jobs.Posted June 27, 2013 10:52 pm
Lederman is bombastic and over excitable.
He wants to shout out something quotable at all times.
He scores on aggression more than anything else.
He is predictable and wrong 90% of the time.Posted June 27, 2013 10:38 pm
Boxing is the only sport I know of in the world where the scores are kept secret until after the fight. Imagine the NFL or NBA doing that. Yeah, it would be stupid as hell. Open scoring would also stop all these ridiculous robberies, and the judges would be held responsible round by round. Who cares if a fighter has a big lead a lays back, it will make the fighter on the losing side fight harder.Posted June 27, 2013 10:06 pm
Yeah I don’t believe he knows what effective aggression is. As for open scoring I am completely against it and it will not be used for this fight.Posted June 27, 2013 9:59 pm
PEEJ…. Lederman is one of the worst Boxing scorers I’ve ever seen… He’s the only guy I’ve ever seen who continues to get it wrong after he sees the slo-mo replay.. Lederman continued to think Hatton landed a left hook on Floyd after the slo-mo proved it completely wiffed.. The same with Floyd wiffing a left hook and Castillo going down.. Lederman continued to think the punch landed and should have counted as a knockdown — the objections of Lampley and Merchant notwithstanding.
I don’t think it’s just a matter of eyesight and his lack of intelligence.. You have to be open to the guy you hate winning a close round over the guy you want your daughter to marry.. I’ve never found one other boxing judge, or former judge, who thought Hatton was beating Mayweather after 6 rounds.Posted June 27, 2013 3:12 pm
They are fighting for Canelo’s 154-pound World Title… This is NOT a none title fight even though the weight is 152… It’s supposed to be open scoring with the WBC Super Welterweight Championship on the line, although Canelo has unified the important titles at the weight..
The Martinez-Murray Middleweight clash was open scoring… So the venue where the fight takes place doesn’t matter. I hope it’s open scoring.
I remember Hurricane Carter talking after his Joey Giardello Middleweight Title fight.., “I won at least 9 rounds.. Look at my face and look at Giadello’s face (Carter didn’t have a mark on him) and tell me who won.. Boxing is the only sport in the world where the athlete has no idea what the score is.. If I knew I was behind I definitely would have fought a lot harder because I could go another 15 rounds against this guy. In fact I’m certain I would have won if I knew what the score was. Everybody was telling me I was ahead — but in Boxing, how do you really know???”Posted June 27, 2013 2:47 pm
I could care less how Lederman scores any fight. Rarely do I agree with him in any fightPosted June 27, 2013 1:47 pm
Actually Floyd is the lineal champ of his division. The stripped him of it wen he retired and he won it back. He never lost it in the ring anyways.Posted June 27, 2013 1:46 pm
The 1 ha ha 2 cherrypicking gimmicks who arent even lineal champs of their own divisions the 1 gtfoh.Posted June 27, 2013 1:43 pm
Floyd has better fundimentals ie speed, head movement, footwork but BOTH have great timing, its who’s timing is GREATEST shall win this fight, is Canelo’s timing better than Floyds?Posted June 27, 2013 1:09 pm
Hidalgo – Who are you picking to win?Posted June 27, 2013 12:41 pm
how many times have we hear/read, “Floyd hasn’t faced a fighter like this in a long time”, or “Floyd hasn’t faced a young, strong guy in his prime”….it’s getting old. The same thing that happened to those guys will happen to THIS guy (Canelo), one of the most important things a fighter MUST have to even have a chance against Mayweather is experience, and the truth is, Canelo doesn’t have nearly enough, Floyd is as good as it gets, Canelo’s been used to fighting smaller guys who are simply NOT skilled enough to keep him off, Trout was the best fighter Canelo has beaten, and they went the full 12 rounds in which Canelo got tired, sure he won, and he did look good in doing so, but that open scoring helped Canelo, he was able to let his foot off the gas and coast….against Floyd, he better be ready for 12 LONG, HARD rounds! Cause Floyd is THE BEST, I see a close fight for the first 3-4 rounds, then Floyd will CHOP HIM UP!!! Floyd via TKOPosted June 27, 2013 12:39 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Who’s to say Floyd’s peak is behind him? We’ll see once his career is over, and only then…Posted June 27, 2013 12:18 pm
“He takes risks because he’s extremely confident. ” Uh-huh. That’s why Floyd fought Guerrero, right? The risk? Hardly.Posted June 27, 2013 11:27 am
What’s with brining up Mayweather/Castillo all the time? It’s old news. All of their fights are.Posted June 27, 2013 11:25 am
Great analysis TARK. I give Floyd an edge as well. I do think Canelo will hurt Floyd at one point or another and he needs to capitalize on that and land some heavy body punches or hurt Floyd when he’s vulnerable to swing the fight his way.
@Ghetto Thug and hookoffthejab..
Cotto fought Floyd and Trout in the same year.
But Castillo fought Floyd and Hatton many years apart.. Floyd when he was at his peak—Hatton when he was washed up.
Therefore the 1st comparison is valid—the 2nd comparison is invalid.
Before Ali-Forman pundits noted Ali lost to Frazier and Norton—but neither could go 2 rounds with George Foreman. It wasn’t a valid argument. Foreman was a great puncher. Frazier and Norton were straight ahead fighters who were easy to hit. Ali was a boxer without a big punch—like Jimmy Young was. Ali had an easy time with punchers who couldn’t box, such as Foreman—but fighters who stayed in Ali’s face, such as Frazier and Norton, gave him Hell. Therefore the comparison was invalid.
Floyd mixed with Cotto and Mosley—but his style is that of a boxer. Floyd can fight inside. He can attack the body. He will try to hurt you. He will try to take you out. He tries to push and test himself. He takes risks because he’s extremely confident.
Canelo is a boxer-puncher. He likes to potshot. He likes to jab. He loves to counter with his right uppercut. He’s very patient and confident in his ability to outbox and out-punch anybody. He can close off the ring if he’s stalking you—but he prefers to outsmart you and box rather than mix.
Neither Canelo nor Floyd are effective attackers. They’re not Lucas Matthysse. Canelo took out Josesito Lopez, who is a wide open brawler, in brutal fashion—but he never went after Trout, even when AT was hurt. In fact he seemed to let Trout recover in rounds he was hurt. Maybe he was intent on going 12—which could make sense since his real target was Floyd.
I’ll do a styles interplay analysis later… but I see Floyd having a slight edge based on the fact they’re both boxers—and Floyd has a broader range of experience and skills—and this is likely to be a boxing match.Posted June 27, 2013 4:05 am
Ray – ” Mayweather is always seen wearing sunglasses,,,,,, hmmmmm….wonder why…lol scared. ” cause the sun shines on him 24/7. LolPosted June 27, 2013 2:17 am
So what…..Floyd gets Knocked Out……….then on with it. Shoulder Roll is Dead. Then on to VK & WK, .. Kings of Boxing.Posted June 27, 2013 1:27 am
Ghostrider is Snitch.
But who is Snitch?Posted June 27, 2013 12:58 am
Windows in da house
And we have a Microsoft office suite in ESB, by the name of, ” its me, Ernie” check spelling your posts.Posted June 27, 2013 12:56 am
TARK you need to rewrite and spin that !! You:ve used those “same” lines before you must be copy pasting them by now …….Posted June 27, 2013 12:36 am
I was watching some of the Castillo 1 fight the other day here at work and I only got threw the first five but I jad Floyd ahead 5 to zip in that fight after 5. So no way Castillo won that fight. I’ll take Floyd by late round TKO cause of Canelos stamina issuesPosted June 27, 2013 12:03 am
Mayweather v ?
Pre PPV.Posted June 26, 2013 11:24 pm
Mayweather v ?
Bob Arum and Don King were around in the Jurassic, old fossills now, know your boxing.Posted June 26, 2013 11:21 pm
Mayweather v ?
If you follow boxing, you know about the other fights, just normal, off the bat, who fought who say 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ag, you don’t have to be Bert Randolph, you just know a reasonable amount about the fights.Posted June 26, 2013 11:10 pm
Mayweather v ?
I watch the other fights as well ,don’t hang on that,if he wins he wins, if he loses, so what, big deal, you are not a Boxing fan if you get too interested in one fight, there are so many Boxing matches going on.Posted June 26, 2013 11:05 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Back to the low road Squared, threatening folks again…Posted June 26, 2013 11:04 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
I think I’m gonna go throw a scope on this same press conference when it comes to Phoenix on July 2nd. We Mexicanos will be out in FULL FORCE that day, so you FMJ fan-boyz from S. PHX, E. PHX and West Tempe best stay home where you’re comfortable and safe. Real talk.Posted June 26, 2013 10:57 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
It’s not Tom “Casinso”, it’s “Tom Casino”.
Oh yeah, STFU Tard…Posted June 26, 2013 10:51 pm
Striker v Subbuteo
The undertones,Posted June 26, 2013 10:51 pm
Mayweather is always seen wearing sunglasses,,,,,, hmmmmm….wonder why…lol scared.Posted June 26, 2013 10:50 pm
TARK, Castillo beat Money, Hatton KTFO castillo, so in acording with haters theory “this guy beat that guy” Hatton was hopelessly going to annihilate Money….. Do u want to make remember what the outcome was??Posted June 26, 2013 10:46 pm
petofi writes…, “Canelo will get knocked out about the 8th round…when he’ll be cut to ribbons, too.”
You are dreaming MFer… The last tough fight Floyd had was against Cotto… Who was bleeding in that fight??? Who had to have king-sized Q-Tips shoved up his nose holes to stop the bleeding??? No wonder Floyd called Cotto, “The toughest fighter I EVER fought.”
Now Trout wasn’t under any threat from Cotto at all … and his corner never had to break out the Q-Tips… and Trout ran away with 10 of 12 rounds… So since Cotto was Floyd’s toughest opponent ever … and Trout whipped Cotto in dominant fashion without his corner having to break out the Q-Tips…
And since Canelo was the FIRST boxer to EVER beat Trout… and Canelo was the FIRST boxer to EVER knock Trout down… and since Canelo was the FIRST opponent who EVER received such high praise for his defensive skills and speed from Trout — who (Trout) readily admitted on national TV, to millions of viewers, that he lost the fight to the better boxer.
So how does that translate into Floyd cutting Canelo to ribbons and knocking him out in 8 rounds–especially since his KO ratio at 154 is ZERO?Posted June 26, 2013 10:35 pm
The El Paso Fight Prophet
I been watching boxing long enough to know when one fighter has anothers measure, and Canelo Definitely has Mayweather sized up bagged and tagged.Posted June 26, 2013 10:21 pm
They said its called the one because this is the one fight folks wanted to seePosted June 26, 2013 10:19 pm
Bad News Bears
Canelo wins by KO. FMJ can back to beating on women.Posted June 26, 2013 10:13 pm
in da club, it’s your birthday.Posted June 26, 2013 10:13 pm
The one!!!! I don’t get it?Posted June 26, 2013 10:08 pm
New Rose.Posted June 26, 2013 9:56 pm
Lost to Trout?? WTF r U smoking??Posted June 26, 2013 9:25 pm
The BOTTOM line is BUMS on seats ….The “more” the merry Moneymay and Goldenshower will be ………….Posted June 26, 2013 8:26 pm
Such horse manure: the kid will get knocked out about the 8th round…when he’ll be cut to ribbons, too.
It’s not even a good matchup because Canelo lost to Trout. Believe me, if they had given that fight to Trout, Mayweather wouldn’t be fighting HIM.Posted June 26, 2013 8:15 pm
“THE ONE” How original. LMAO!Posted June 26, 2013 7:20 pm