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Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Just watch the show “The First 48″ on A&E and you’ll will nothing but punk-ass wannabe gangstas (just like you) who kill people for no reason whatsoever.

I didn’t say one word to any of those guys in either situation, and that it 100% truth. You have deeply offended me on a personal level and I badly want to meet you in person.

Just give me your address and I will fly out to where ever you live, so we can solve this problem the old fashioned way.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:05 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

newark nj: They weren’t “punkers,” they were punk-ass wannabe gangtas.
That sounds like something a Brit would say.

You really live in Newark, NJ??? If so I would like to meet you in person and discuss this matter further, face-to-face. Sound like a plan, boy??

Posted July 4, 2013 5:55 pm 


newark nj

good story circle jerker lol lol lol lol lol you got your punkass beaten half to death by tough gang of punkers because of some punkass joke you made they don’t beat you to death for nothing you know now you want to get even like Bernie gutez who went loaded a gun and went on the subway he shot 4 or 5 teens and they ran when one was helpless and layin down he walked over and put anothr slug in him for good luck you will do the same to some punks you run into to get even since you were nevr a figter and never will be

Posted July 4, 2013 1:28 pm 


TARK

Tyrone Jones…., People get into trouble.. That’s not my problem, but it’s not right.. They’re the ones who have to do the jail time or lose an eye.

Floyd was paid extremely well for the Big Show rasslin’ gig… That wasn’t a fight… Like all pro rasslin’ it was a canard.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:01 pm 


Tyrone Jones

Tark, you must be taliking about your heroes Broner (bit somebody at the booby bar) and Pretty Boy Floyd (fought Big Show in WWF, Rick Ross in a bar, his baby momma at home, etc..). No we’re talking about fighting against the dark side for what is right. Defending family, self, the lil children, the forests, critters, and all that’s good and beatiful; for evil persists when good men do nothing.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:07 am 


Haimat

TARK, your posts about GGG are laughable. It’s like Mike Stafford telling everybody that Broner is the next Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Mark my words, Kessler would beat GGG worse than he’s ever been beaten before. Good luck cornering Kessler like he did an over the hill Kassim Ouma for 10 rounds. Kessler has better footwork than GGG. Too bad his hands are broken or I’d say his punching power is equal. Watch Kessler knock World Champ Bayer out with one punch. That’s a prover world champ and not a contender like Macklin. Third round.
What is your issue with Kessler’s stance? His footwork? His jab?(arguably the best in boxing until he injured his shoulder) His punch?
You’re just hating. There is no substance to your views on Kessler and you’re excited like a kid on Xmas about GGG. Let him fight these big super middleweights first before you claim that he’d knock Samuel Peter out with a jab.

Posted July 3, 2013 4:45 am 


Mongrel

Yeah Ward-Dawson only did 1.3 so there isn`t so much traction to the no-fans argument

Posted July 3, 2013 4:00 am 


Sancho Puncho

Finally the numbers are ready. GGG-Macklin had 1.1 mln. viewers. Excellent rating for GGG. It can be safely said that he does have drawing power and has already created his fan-base in USA. Guess we wouldn’t here an excuse that “he doesn’t bring anything to the table” anymore.

Posted July 3, 2013 2:30 am 


TARK

Sredmond wouldn’t know anything about it… He thought Peterson was going to give Matthysse a boxing lesson — and he can’t box.

Posted July 3, 2013 1:22 am 


TARK

Kessler never looked good against anyone… No stance.. Couldn’t slip jabs.. Could’t duck punches.. Couldn’t move, jab, or punch with any deception.. No rhythm.. It was obvious Ward or Dirrell were going to beat him up — even though they never fought anyone good up to that point.

Golovkin is a great boxer… He hasn’t fought anyone good yet.. But when he does fight Martinez, Quillin, Froch, or Kessler, he’s going to destroy them because he’s so skillful and carries such amazing firepower.

Posted July 3, 2013 1:19 am 


Mongrel

“Not a SHOT” of beating Ward on points? EASY work?

That’s pretty dismissive.

Gennady Golovkin – amateur record 345-5, Wards 115-5?
Golovkin 2003 World championship gold medalist beating Andy Lee 29-9, stopping Bute, beating Cuba’s Despaigne
2004 Olympic Silver Medallist – beating Andre Dirrell along the way.

That’s not a knockout artist – that is a very good technical boxer who also happens to have some thudding power as a bonus.

It’s not like we are seeing Golovkin getting outboxed and swinging like an idiot getting lucky. He`s been up on points against everyone AND taken them out.

Outboxing someone when you have no significant power is laudable, it is more difficult to do than outboxing someone when you DO have more power, but in terms of being able to win a round of boxing it is no better or worse.

I`d like to see GGG make his bones at SMW to show the power carries, and size/reach differences don`t bother him before I rush to make a judgement either way, but given how he has dealt with the improving opponents put before him with zero trouble I don`t think it`s fair to dismiss him out of hand.

Ward likes to nullify and suck the oxygen out of a fight and pinch each round. Golovkin is a cold stalker in any case, he isn`t an emotion fighter like Froch, you aren`t taking much out of his gameplan by trying to slow things down or wrestle around.

Posted July 2, 2013 11:56 pm 


SREDMOND

Yeah I see an EASY fight for Ward against Golovkin because Wards the PROVEN commodity whereas at this point GGG is another KO artist who’s record is riddled with unheralded fighters in a division BELOW Andres… What is Golovkin gonna do when he CANNOT KO or TKO Ward? Outbox him? Yeah right not a SHOT…. The Macklin fight is good for his quest to takeover 160 it holds NO cache for HARD 168 pounders, Golovkin vs Froch would be a BETTER match… We would hear the SAME b@#$TCHING…”Ward did not go toe to toe” “he moved” “He nullified” Blah Blah Blah…. Wards an ELITE fighter and Golovkin is NOT….

Posted July 2, 2013 5:46 pm 


SREDMOND

Junio, we see the GGG situation differently I think he is a SOLID fighter and he might have a serious run at MW but his skill level and vetting are NOT on the same planet as Andre Ward who has taken out all the BEST put before him… Kessler had FAR more experience and a points loss to Calzaghe before Ward destroyed him, Froch had one loss to Kessler which was somewhat controversial and he had already booked a win against Pascal… Dawson had a TD loss to Pascal and Ward made him QUIT after he had booked wins against Hops, Tarver, and Adamek… Macklins a World Class fighter or he was but he has lost 3 of 4 fights and brought NOTHING to the table that approximates the BIGGER Ward…

Posted July 2, 2013 5:43 pm 


spartacus 65

Lion king what’s up champ. Just got in from work a few hours ago,worked out ,downed a meal and saw your post. Yes , I like jeet kun do because for me its an expression of self. I personally favor mixing different fight forms and YES even finding myself creating in a sense something I WOULD DO given the situation. Me personally I dont like to dance. Meaning b.s. Around when a confrontation arises. Today more than ever you have to be ready for ANYTHING. TOO many jerks out there who want to be as this generation calls themselves gangsters. I don’t have time to whistle dixie while im not sure if the lunk is packing or if he’s just puffing out his chest. The goal for me is to end it QUICK. Meaning render the wannabe tough guy senseless. No fancy stuff. Jeet ku. Do is the perfect vehicle for that. Also Krag maga. In a real life situation I feel prepared to do what ever I must do to protect myself,family,friends etc.. If it means hurti.g someone bad then so be it. Better him than me going to intensive care. Bruce Lee was for REAL. Tje ma. Was truly ahead of his time. Bruce taught AND shared his philosophies with chuck norris and Joe Lewis. Joe Lewis owes his high percentage win rate to Bruce. When Lewis was younger he and Bruce had a difference of opinion let’s just say. Bruce took exception to some comments Lewis made in public and the fallkut wasn’t really worthy of either man. Lewis now speaks warmly and with the HIGHEST rebard for Bruce as a man, teacher and fighter. Father time tends to do that to a fella. Make no mistake, Bruce was the RealDeal.

Posted July 2, 2013 5:33 pm 


Exiled Yank

It’s time for GGG and Msrtinez to get it on. GG has proven himself as the top contender and Martinez is the champ. It will be one hell of a fight. I’m not ready to jump on the GGG bandwagon yet, but I’m also not ready to say NMartinez will school him. It’s the best fight in the division and it needs to happen soon. As for FM GGG, that’s ludicrous. How many divisions does he have to climb to make people happy? He hasn’t even faced Canelo yet.

Posted July 2, 2013 5:00 pm 


Anonymous

Correctamundo is SREDMOND

Posted July 2, 2013 4:52 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

IF there is a WINNER to be picked, then I usually pick him. And that’s all that I care about.

Posted July 2, 2013 4:45 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

YES. MY picks suck the WIND out of my detractors. That’s why quite a few of them left ESB and won’t come back. I SHAMED them for eternity. Don’t pick against the PREORDAINED one.

Posted July 2, 2013 4:43 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

At least I didn’t pick the LOSER!!! SO I remain as the BEST predictor of WINNERS!!!

Posted July 2, 2013 4:39 pm 


TARK

Boxtra you’re a joke… You predicted Oosthuizen would beat Gonzales.

WRONG AGAIN..

That was a wild assed pick of a fight where you had no knowledge of the combatants.. Plus you picked against Virgil Hunter.. No analysis, no nothing. Just a wild assed pick as usual.. You have no background in Boxing whatever.. That’s why your picks suck so bad.

Posted July 2, 2013 4:33 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Ward had done nothing to get a shot at Kessler. Kessler thought he was taking another cupcake Fight until he was rudely awakened. Its like the guys that bait suckers into betting them money in pool. They’ll sandbag until you bet that money. The super sly ones may even let you WIN the first ones to lure you into betting more the next time and then they SPANK you.

Posted July 2, 2013 4:31 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Froch was talking about facing Ward in the UK next until he read my advice to wait on the Ward Fight because his stock is at an all time High but would be instantly dropped by facing Ward……Froch reads ESB. I saw it with my own eyes. … Its video documented on the Showtime 360 show….And a lot of other Boxers and trainers read it TOO…..And some of those are also video documented as well.

Posted July 2, 2013 4:28 pm 


Anonymous

And Andre Ward had done what exactly to deserve a shot at Mikkel Kessler?

Posted July 2, 2013 4:27 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“Yes, I’m quite sure that FMJ, 3G and the best fighters in the world get all their best advice directly from the random jibbererish that you anonymously post on ESB… LOL.”-Nope. But the smart ones DO take heed to the specific advice that I post HERE with my screen name attached to it. And that’s why they will remain the BEST until I advise them to retire.

Posted July 2, 2013 4:20 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“no pro boxer, especially GGG with almost 400 fights, will take any advice of a fan boy like yourself.”-CORRECT. And that’s why they don’t DO that…. They take advice from a GREAT Fight predictor and SKILLS assessor like myself. And they LOVE the results…. Which is why they will continue to listen.

Posted July 2, 2013 4:14 pm 


TARK

@Tyrone Jones…, “Tark, great boxers admit to having fought for free many a times. Plus winning a fight gives a huge rsh of all natural hormone euphoria. You should try it sometimes.”

“When I was a child I thought like a child… I played like a child… I fought fist fights like a child… I did all the things children do.

Now that I’m a man with a family and responsibilities I think like a man… I plan my future like a man… I work like a man… I play like a man… I put away the things of a child… I no longer think or act as children do.”

Any guy who gets into bar brawls… street brawls… movie set brawls… dance club brawls—is still a boy … It also gives you a huge rush of hormone euphoria to have sex with another man’s wife… If that’s the type of characterless selfish person someone wants to be … go ahead, be a jerk.

Posted July 2, 2013 3:49 pm 


Cody

Are you a brotha Junio?

Posted July 2, 2013 3:48 pm 


Rev

Martinez v Golovkin isn’t a possibility now, or ever. Martinez isn’t getting in the ring with that guy… ever. Of course Ward would like to fright GGG, he’s the bigger fighter, and negates power punchers with some of the greatest ring smarts in the game.

Golovkin needs a few more fights before even considering someone like Ward. There’s far too many fights on the horizon before that risk is taken.

That being said, when Ward is healthy and ready to fight, Adonis Stevenson should be knocking on his door. Catch weight wouldn’t be a stretch for him.

Posted July 2, 2013 3:33 pm 


Junio

I think it says a lot about how much the Fans and Writers both admire and/or despise Floyd for them to want him to fight Middle-weight Champions like Martinez and GGG despite Floyd’s small stature.

Posted July 2, 2013 3:29 pm 


Junio

Floyd vs. GGG is interesting:

Floyd holds a belt at JrMW but is fighting Canelo at a “catch-weight’ of 152. Now Canelo reportedly proposed that weight because he thought Floyd would surely agree to it…and it worked. But how does that affect other future fights at jrMW….like a fight with GGG?
Floyd may say, “hey, Canelo fought me at 152, how about you?

So in a way, Floyd could be covering his ass at jrMW. However, the only reason I think he is still campaigning there is because of Canelo or a possible Cotto rematch. It’s about the Money and not solidifying his reign at jrMW.

Posted July 2, 2013 3:26 pm 


Junio

IRON MIKE:

I read casual fans are actually the biggest money supporters for big Gates and PPV.

Die-hard fans always spend their money. But it is the casual fans that are who the promoters and networks want.

So if you can’t sell the fighter, it will be hard to have a high PPV fight.

Posted July 2, 2013 3:19 pm 


Junio

SREDMOND:

I agree that GGG needs bigger name fights but he wants those fights; he just isn’t getting them.

I don’t agree that he would be easy work for Ward. GGG is a smart fighter, a technically sound fighter (with some flaws like everybody else) but he also does have that power that is able to land because he knows how to set up his opponent.

Now if Ward can neutralize power, as we have seen in the past with other talented punchers, maybe. But GGG still has more than power; he has skills to back it up.

Ward would be favored but GGG has a shot. How much? I’m not quite sure until he moved up to 168 and fights a top guy there. That would be a better indicator of his ability against Ward (even though Ward’s the best in the division and hard to compare to anybody)

Posted July 2, 2013 3:13 pm 


Junio

The Tszyu fight fell apart when he lost to Hatton. Just like the De La Hoya vs. Tszyu fight fell apart when Tszyu lost to Phillips. Blame Tszyu and not the others.

When Hatton defeated Tszyu, Floyd took note and wanted the fight. It was Hatton’s team that said that Ricky was not ready yet. And this after the Tszyu victory. So Floyd decided to move up to 147 and continue to pursue his dream fight…..OSCAR DE LA HOYA.

Posted July 2, 2013 3:01 pm 


Junio

Fritz:

Tszyu and Hatton were on Showtime. Cotto was under Arum and so was Floyd and the fight was going to be made in the “future” according to an interview by Arum. That fight never happened after Floyd left Arum to pursue his own career which if you look at it now, worked incredible well.

What happened with Cotto once he left Arum? He got his fight with Floyd. And not only that, it was his highest payday to date.

Floyd and Arum have yet to work together since their departure. Arum won’t want to lose his percentage or his fighter to Floyd. That’s the business aspect of it all.

Floyd fought Gatti because of three things: Gatti had a title. Gatti was on HBO. Gatti was very popular in the STates and could be the first big boost of a PPV star for Floyd.

So how does this relate to the Showtime fighters, Hatton and Tszyu?
Well, just like Tyson and Lewis, the way you get the two networks together is to do a PPV together. It’s about Money.

Tszyu fought Hatton because he was on Showtime and he got a big fat check.

Ask Tszyu if he could have gotten the Mayweather fight. He said even after his loss to Hatton that all he had to do was pick up the phone and call Floyd and he knew he could get that fight. That was on his website years back after the Hatton fight.

Posted July 2, 2013 2:59 pm 


Fritz

Yeah, 140 was loaded with names like Kostya Tszyu, hatton, Judah, Cotto but Floyd picked Brusselles and Gatti. Likewise, 147 was loaded with names like Cotto, Margarito, Williams, etc.. and Floyd picked Baldimir. He dont fight prime opponants until they have what he calls a “blueprint to loose”

Posted July 2, 2013 2:29 pm 


Bobby da boxer

Cotto never ducked anyone. Cotto called Floyd a “coward with skills” on national television. It was Floyd who constantly claimed that Cotto had never fought anyone and right about the time Floyd fought some no name Bruseles

Posted July 2, 2013 2:15 pm 


Fight Aficionado

When you put GGG, May and Ward in the same story one thing results. Nice troll there Vivek.

Posted July 2, 2013 1:38 pm 


BEARS

*Correctemundo was deffending gueerero and rationalizing him as a top 10 p4p. Hhahahahahahahahah @ correctemundo. Almost as bad as hecdogs beliefs of robert guerrero. I would say in talking guerrero up as a viable opponent it was hecdog then sredmond and correctemundo. I think if you talked gueerero up it seriously reflected on your boxing knowledge. You should take my class “treatise on boxing undeerstanding 101″………it helps the common layman pull his head out of his A55 when it comes to boxing. *

Posted July 2, 2013 12:06 pm 


BEARS

Correctemundo was deffending gueerero and rationalizing him as a top 10 p4p. Hhahahahahahahahah @ correctemundo. Almost as bad as hecdogs beliefs of robert guerrero. I would say in talking guerrero up as a viable opponent it was hecdog then sredmond and correctemundo. I think if you talked gueerero up it seriously reflected on your boxing knowledge. You should take my class “treatise on boxing undeerstanding 101″………it helps the common layman pull his head out of his ass when it comes to boxing.

Posted July 2, 2013 12:03 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

“GGG is EASY work for Ward…”

Further evidence that SREDMOND is just another FMJ fan-boy and truly knows very little about the science. More than likely he has never even seen the inside of a boxing gym.

Posted July 2, 2013 11:45 am 


Who killed JFK ?

Briscoe, LOL !

Posted July 2, 2013 11:21 am 


Tyrone Jones

Tark, great boxers admit to having fought for free many a times. Plus winning a fight gives a huge rsh of all natural hormone euphoria. You should try it sometime

Posted July 2, 2013 11:03 am 


TARK

GGG is not easy work for Ward… It’s sheer stupidity to say that… GGG is not easy work for anyone. Macklin was not a super opponent but the manner GGG outfought and outstripped him, without even trying, was very impressive… You have to look at the ease of victory, not just the opponent.

Macklin was well beaten by Martinez, but floored Martinez with a hard shot and didn’t seem out of his league.. Macklin should have gotten the victory over Sturm because he landed more and better punches.. The referee was obviously hostile to Macklin.

Against Golovkin Macklin was very well prepared and expected to do well … but the fight was a complete route… It was like Ward whipping on Kessler except with a lot more aggression, accuracy and power.

Posted July 2, 2013 11:00 am 


Bobby da boxer

Annonymous, 170 is lighter than Canelo’s 172. Floyd is ranked at 154 and that is whee GGG wants to fight him, thus, your point is another mute one

Posted July 2, 2013 10:44 am 


Bobby da boxer

Annonymous, I said that Maywether “skipped the best at 140″ Gatti was not at better than Miguel Cotto, who the fans really wanted Mayweather to fight but as often the case, Floyd waited until his opponant was way past hus prime.

Posted July 2, 2013 10:42 am 


BIG FOOT

So there you have it Ward, GGG is easy work for you according to Sredmond.

Posted July 2, 2013 9:48 am 


SREDMOND

Everyone and their mothers want to fight Floyd Mayweather let’s not get crazy over this Macklin win whic mh was impressive but still occurs against a guy who has now lost 3 of 4 (Sturm controversial) and was already beat up and knocked out by Martinez.. Macklin has dropped all of his stepup fights as of late and only beat the now lightly regarded Alcine… Good win GGG but you got work to do ie a Quillin, Murray or Chavez Jr type….

Posted July 2, 2013 8:09 am 


Mbuyiseli

Aren’t we all surprised that the moronic bunch starts bringing up Ward’s name thinking he will be beaten by GGG. Gennady will get mauled like Froch and Kessler. Let me say it again Ward will rip GGG a new one.

Posted July 2, 2013 8:09 am 


Ghostrider

A Tark:

Noun

1. A know-it-all.
2. A tranny porn enthusiast
3. A freshly squeezed dog turd

Posted July 2, 2013 6:35 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

CORRECTAMUNDO: Yes, I’m quite sure that FMJ, 3G and the best fighters in the world get all their best advice directly from the random jibbererish that you anonymously post on ESB… LOL. Take your meds lately, my man? That’s called “maniacal delusions of grandeur” (i.e., megalomania or bi-polar).

Posted July 2, 2013 5:30 am 


Haimat

Great posts TARK!

Posted July 2, 2013 4:45 am 


Haimat

Boxtradamus(CORRECTAMUNDO), no pro boxer, especially GGG with almost 400 fights, will take any advice of a fan boy like yourself.
Floyd won’t fight GGG since it’s a fight he can’t win.

Posted July 2, 2013 4:44 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

SO the point IS that Robert was a mandatory Defense SO there are no parallels between Floyd facing him and Golovkin.

Posted July 2, 2013 2:55 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“as Mayweather just fought Robert Guerrero.”-Please learn the difference between a mandatory Defense and a VOLUNTARY Defense. Golovkin would have to qualify as a voluntary Defense because he’s not serious enough about a Fight with the 154 lb CHAMP to go and campaign in the Division to earn the mandatory shot…….Therefore Floyd must volunteer to face a guy that has no belt at 154 and no Top 10 P4P ranking. History shows that Floyd doesn’t DO that. SO either Gennady needs to go get him a belt at 154 or learn how to impress the EXPERTS enough to make it on the Top 10 P4P list. Right now Martinez has a BETTER shot at getting the Fight with Numero UNO. At least he’s Top 10 P4P.

Posted July 2, 2013 2:43 am 


TJ

TARK
I was thinking about Hopkins as I watched GGG… Because Hopkins also has unreal focus… He drills you with concentration and only punches when there’s a target. He doesn’t wing punches. Many economical punchers can be a bore to watch unless you’re into their game, and you’re just marveling at their discipline, patience, and trying to see what they’re seeing and why they’re pulling the trigger when they do.

I totally agree with you on the above as I have used in my own boxing and training other fighters… I teach them defence and the art of counter punching, but the art of patience (especially under fire ) is one of the hardest to learn and to implement….

Make them miss, then make them PAY!

Posted July 2, 2013 2:18 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

I was OUT having FUN SO I ended UP missing the Fight but I heard that Golovkin Gobbled him UP with a BODY shot. That means that he took my advice when I told him to take a BODY punching class after he faced Rosado. This shows that he’s on his way to MUCH SUCCESS because he takes criticism in a positive WAY. That’s what WINNERS DO….The last guy that took my advice out boxed and then knocked out Manny Pacquiao for the GREATEST knockout in the ENTIRE History of the Sport ….Mayweather takes my advice every time and that’s why I bet on him every time…..I’ll watch the Fight tomorrow on HBO go….But without even watching the Fight I pronounce Gennady as a FULL blown SHARK. I already KNEW that all he needed to DO was take a Body punching class and he DID that as I suggested….Now everyone within 20 lbs of Golovkin had better watch OUT……including the GOAT….though I can retract that statement after actually watching the Fight.

Posted July 2, 2013 2:07 am 


TARK

I was thinking about Hopkins as I watched GGG… Because Hopkins also has unreal focus… He drills you with concentration and only punches when there’s a target. He doesn’t wing punches. Many economical punchers can be a bore to watch unless you’re into their game, and you’re just marveling at their discipline, patience, and trying to see what they’re seeing and why they’re pulling the trigger when they do. DLH was running his ass off and hit the ropes. He covered up and BOOM!!! B-Hop nailed him like a raw rookie and he was stricken on the canvas.

Macklin hit the ropes… GGG set him up with the uppercuts.. BOOM!!! He was a heaving mass of flesh on the floor.. The shot landed harder and Macklin took longer for his bigger body to recover.

Posted July 2, 2013 12:51 am 


TARK

Lman… GGG’s experience as an amateur is certainly unusual… Amazing in fact… So is his complete domination of top middleweights… He cuts off the ring and punches as you touch the ropes.. he threw not one, but two uppercuts as decoy punches before he planted the liver shot. He has a deep bag of tricks

Rigondeaux did get hit and did get knocked down.. He looks more ring worn to me than Golovkin, but he’s still brilliant for his pro experience.

The important thing about an amateur career of that magnitude is you’re constantly fighting every week or 2.. There are always fights coming up so you’re in perpetual training.. You’re always thinking boxing 24/7.. You’re a major asset to the team so the trainers are always paying special attention to you—what you’re eating, how you’re sleeping, what your workout regimen is today… will be tomorrow… was yesterday… last week… last month.. How strong are you? … How fast? … How durable? … How are your reflexes? … Are you bored? … Are you happy? … Do you have everything you need?

Grennady loves being a pro because he doesn’t have all these mother hens around constantly.

Posted July 2, 2013 12:31 am 


Lman

Everyone knows Bhop was a big MW, he comfortably makes LHW now and De La Hoya was always a bloated looking MW. The punch was a body shot which when you consider the extra weight Del La Hoya was carrying which probably already affected his less then stellar stamina it wasnt really a surprise. Bhop doesnt win using precision punches, he wins by spoiling and throwing the no look overhand right most of the time with his head down not looking at the target, bad comparison really. You like myself picked Donaire beat Rigo in a tough fight, and he was soundly beaten by Rigo, some poeple were touting his extensive amatuer experience as proof that he could beat Donaire even though Donaire had been in with some serious comp in the pros. After hearing about GGG amatuer background and that he practically beat all the guys that are either p4p or A level in the amteurs I dont think I will make that same mistake again. Like someone below posted he reminds me of a MW Kostya Tszyu.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:54 pm 


TARK

Hidalgo…, Don’t be so naïve.. Bruce Lee did not engage in “no-holds barred, no rules fights” with challengers who came on the set of his movies. He wasn’t a fool.

What kind of an idiot would risk getting killed—or getting an eye put out in an unregulated brawl? Do you also believe the myth about gunslingers who fought death duels to see who had the fastest draw? Only an idiot would risk his life by drawing against a stranger who rode into town.

No professional fighter is going to fight for free unless he’s a sadistic jerk who goes around looking for fights. Sparring is practice, not a fight. You’re not trying to hurt one another. When you try to knock each other out you’re getting paid—or you have a head gear on because you’re still an amateur.

Bruce Lee was an actor and a business person. He knew image building was a key… Publicists put out urban legend stories that got passed around by awestruck simpletons. The stories get past from one naïve person to another. They’re like listening to a drunk go on about his fistic exploits to a gang of amazed imbibers. They’re only listening so they get a chance to tell their BS stories of sexual and fistic conquest.

Bruce Lee stories got polished and honed over the years to make them sound believable. Like the guy who told everybody he was Paddy DeMarco until he died. Thousands of people believed him. His friends started making funeral arrangements for the great fighter—then they found out their dead friend wasn’t Paddy DeMarco. Or that movie “Resurrecting the Champ” about the homeless man who had thousands of people believing he was Bob Satterfield.. Samuel Jackson portrayed him in the movie.

Joe Lewis was a real martial artist full contact fighter… He and his buds knew Lee’s organization was putting out these stories out there… They challenged him to come spar with them and exchange training methods… Obviously he wouldn’t because he couldn’t.. I don’t care how much he was into martial arts as a hobby.. He didn’t compete.. It’s like expecting the actor who plays James Bond to beat a professional fighter.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:30 pm 


TOO SMOOTH

@Mongrel~ I agree! FM should not be ranked that high at 154. If he is the champ he should be forced to fight the best in that division, regardless if a larger guy drops down from a higher division. FM needs to vacate the belt if he’s not going to fight at the title weight.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:57 pm 


Mongrel

@toosmooth – I understand FMJ’s reasons, and I am sure Mongrel would do the same.

My point is that if you decide to pick and mix your fights partway into a division with catchweights, or only fighting certain guys in the division because the rest are too big, then you shouldn`t be rated no1 in that division.

It`s more a criticism of the governing bodies – they should be saying – you are supposed to be 154lbs champion, now defend the 154lbs title, against our top rated contender at an allowed weight of 154lbs within X amount of time or you get stripped. Then it is up to Golovkin or whoever to get that mandatory status.

Floyd is the $$$ so he can ignore the title and make catchweights – that is totally his right but the #1 JMW spot isn`t his right – it is something to be earned over and over again.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:36 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

mayweather86: Well thanks, mano. Just so you know I place you in that same category, even though we may have certain disagreements about your favorite fighter, FMJ.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:00 pm 


Tomato Can

If GGG keeps it up, he’ll be the fighter to beat, and he’ll be the one calling the shots. He better protect that chin though cause some fighters will be capable of denting it.

Posted July 1, 2013 9:27 pm 


Tomato Can

Mayweather86, lol thanks…

Posted July 1, 2013 9:23 pm 


Tomato Can

Lets see now you have one guy that dominates 160 pounders and another guy that has out smarted fighters for years but hasn’t really dominated consistently since he was a 130/135 pound fighter. It ain’t gonna happen until you see Mayweather fat and lazy and way past his prime. And if it comes to that then fans will get to see Mayweather koed like they crave. But really it’s a non issue because HBO isn’t letting go of GGG, and MayweTher isn’t going ba k to HBO anytime soon, if ever.

Posted July 1, 2013 9:21 pm 


sthomas

I would love to see Floyd fight GGG at 154 after the Canelo fight, but only if Floyd beats Canelo handily and GGG does the same with his next opponent. Who wouldn’t? and why not?

Posted July 1, 2013 9:13 pm 


Tomato Can

I’m looking for good things from Golovkin, but he doesn’t need to take on little fighters to earn his name, he’s capable of running the MW division and moving up from there. There are plenty of good fights for him at MW and above.

Posted July 1, 2013 9:12 pm 


Tomato Can

Mayweather/GGG???? LOL, hell Mayweather hasn’t even got past Alvarez and fans are saying he needs to fight GGG.

Posted July 1, 2013 9:08 pm 


rax

at last, a pundit with a realistic view of Golovkin. his victory over macklin has to be kept in perspective; macklin’s claim to fame are loses to Martinez and Sturm. he got ko’d by Jamie moore for christ sake! as for his Rosado and Ishida they were pumped up 2nd tier super welterweights! and proska? well he and Sergio mora just put a crowd to sleep on the way to his losing by UD. golovkin may well be all that he looks but until he proves it I wish everyone would follow vivek’s lead and keep the lid on.
mayweather vs GGG is a fantasy. the guy is a middleweight. Floyd a small welter weight. he shouldn’t even be fighting canelo. GGG should be looking north to andre ward for a battle of the 2004 Olympic medallists

Posted July 1, 2013 9:08 pm 


Tomato Can

LMAO, there’s no way Mayweathers fighting GGG, at any weight, no matter what the fans say. For starters Mayweathers a showtime fight, while triple G is an HBO, fighter and star on the rise. Secondly most fans like seeing fights where both fighters fight in the same weight class. I keep seeing fans want Mayweather to fight above 147, yet most of you know he’s little in WW terms. Mayweather is the best technician right now, but he’s not no 154, or above fighter. As he climbs up in weight he normalizes. I wouldn’t even give him a shot GGG. Now if he was a 160 pound fighter then it would be interesting, but he’s not even close to 160 by today’s standards…

Posted July 1, 2013 9:05 pm 


TOO SMOOTH

@Mongrel~ Lets go to fantasy world for a short moment and lets say there is this young badass boxer who goes by the name Mongrel. He’s slick fast and can’t barely be hit. He makes millions every time he steps in ring. He’s never lost and people are calling him the best since Floyd Mayweather, some think he is even better. But now Mongrel is faced with a choice of opponents, he can fight a younger, stronger guy from south of the border who damn near has an entire country as his fan base. fighting him will get Mongrel some respect from his detractor and a very nice pay day. The other choice is a very skilled powerful guy 2 division higher but could drop down 1 division to face the great Mongrel. Problem is, no body has heard of this guy and he’s a real force of nature. If the guy drops down in weight to face Mongrel and loses, Mongrel detractors will argue that he only won because his opponent was weight drained giving him no credit at all. What should Mongrel do. take a fight that is still a risk and get him respect and big money or a high risk low reward fight that even if he wins gains him no more respect and less money.

Posted July 1, 2013 8:51 pm 


Tim

Guys, don’t even think that PBF is getting in the ring with Golovkin. Even if the guy were to drop down to 154lbs, ain’t gonna happen. Golovkin is too much of a monster and I honestly can’t blame PBF for not fighting him. Bad night, good night.

Posted July 1, 2013 8:30 pm 


TOO SMOOTH

@Iron Mike~ You don’t think the Canelo fight is a legit fight? FM is fighting a younger, stronger guy in a division FM has no business in. I think it’s a good fight for him.

Posted July 1, 2013 8:05 pm 


IRON MIKE

To me with the hype machine behind boxing today Floyd could fight anyone and they could sell it, Just the fighters today don’t want to take the risk, as long as we have writers and fans of these certain fighters justifying these guys why the hell should they take a risk, In reality we do have a say, they tried to sell the Ghost as a legit threat and the true boxing fans knew he was not and hence poor sales ,by Floyd s standards anyways, Floyd had no choice but to step up, I’m sure Showtime who is giving him big bucks won’t tolerate his selected opponents , The fans have spoken,now if we can get these writers to do the same I am sure we would get the fights we want,as long as no one calls these fighters on it,why should they take a risk-peace

Posted July 1, 2013 7:44 pm 


TOO SMOOTH

@Iron Mike~ Truer words have never been written. I too hate when fights don’t get made because a potential opponent is not well known. Unfortunately for you and I, the real world doesn’t work in terms of fair play. Top guys have a mentality of, why take a high risk low reward fight when I can fight a well known, high profile guy and get 2-3 times the money. I also believe that the fans have a little part to play in this as well! How many times has a good fighter either struggled or lost and fans start saying that he was a hype job or overrated. If fans, real fans what to see better fights we need to be a little more forgiving when the top fighters struggle in fights. I think fighters would take the more risky fights if we supported them win, lose or draw. Not saying that Mayweather would change the way he conducts business but, I do think the Canelo fight is a solid challenge for him.

Posted July 1, 2013 7:21 pm 


TOO SMOOTH

C.Norris>B.Lee!

Posted July 1, 2013 7:11 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Never said or implied that the Chinese martial arts are superior in anyway. They are unique and interesting. You totally misunderstood and went off on a big tangent for no reason whatsoever.

Lee was trained in Wing Chun, Tai Chi Chuan, Western Boxing, Epee fencing, Judo, Praying Mantis Kung Fu, Hsing-I, and Jujitsu. He also later trained in Tae Kwon Do for dynamic kicking techniques. And then later developed his own form of martial art called “Jeet Kune Do,” which was really the first hybrid fighting system to include kicking, punching, trapping and grappling, with techniques flowing smoothly and seamlessly between each other. Lee referred to as a “style without style.”

Yes, it’s true that he did not fight for living, but you are missing the point here. He was an expert martial artist and instructor well-versed in many forms who ran his own schools and had plenty of full-contact fights in his life time.

And most pro MMA fighters today consider him to be the father of MMA. It’s a well know fact in the MMA community.

Posted July 1, 2013 7:05 pm 


IRON MIKE

I hate it when so called fight fans and WRITERS say that certain fighters don’;t deserve a shot at another fighter because that guy does not have a big fan base, it seems to me this only comes up when it comes to Floyd, yet Floyd can fight a Robert the ghost and his fans and these WRITERS have no problem with there hero fighting these guys, did Robert the Ghost have a huge fan base ? Did Ortiz? no and that is where the HYPE MACHINES come in, If they could sell Ortiz, the GHOST MOSLEY, MARQUEZ and so on as a real legit threat,can you imagine what the HYPE MACHINE could do with a monster like Golovkin, Time for these so called fans and WRITER to do what is best for the sport, Ask your selves honestly Would you rather see Floyd against a real threat or someone more POPULAR, Bet you can’t even be honest-PEACE

Posted July 1, 2013 7:05 pm 


TOO SMOOTH

Just a question to please my curiosity. Who was the better opponent in terms of PRO achievements? Geurerro when facing Mayweather or Macklin facing 3G?

Posted July 1, 2013 7:02 pm 


Hidalgo

Most martial art films are sped up to make fighting scenes appear fast, but not Bruce Lee’s. His moves were too fast to be captured on the regular 24 frames per second film – so they had to film him at 32 fps, and run the film slower so you can see his moves.”

Posted July 1, 2013 6:52 pm 


Hidalgo

My God. That post was A LOT bigger than I thought it was. Sorry folks.!

Posted July 1, 2013 6:42 pm 


Hidalgo

“You have to remember that Bruce Lee was a professional actor.. He wasn’t a professional fighter — and he didn’t take on high ranking fighters in full contact fights.Joe Lewis, a full contact Karate fighter of Lee’s day said, “Lee wouldn’t dream of fighting me in a full contact fight. Or any good fighter for that matter.”

Bruce Lee became a master fighter under the tutelage of the legendary Chinese Wing Chun master Yip Man. Bruce Lee began teaching Wing Chun when he was only 18 years old (Wing Chun is a Chinese martial art of self-defense utilizing both striking and grappling while specializing in real world, close-range combat). He began teaching his own style of kung fu in the U.S. when he was 19. He later developed his own fighting style called Jeet Kune Do.

Bruce was not just a professional actor he was the real deal when it came to martial arts. Although Bruce was not literally a “professional figher” he had plenty of real fights with guys who were literally out to kill him. As an adult, Bruce was a living legend, and target in China. He was the fastest most dangerous “gun-slinger” so there were plenty of guys who where out to prove they were better than him. While filming in China, it was not uncommon for other masters/martial artists to come right to the location where Bruce was filming and challenge him to a –no-holds barred, no rules fight right there on the set. These guys were coming to take Bruce out. they came from all over China. Somtimes they would fight with weapons. Sometime Bruce would fight up to three different guys in a day. Bruce beat every single one of them right there in front of film crews, other actors, and civilians. One time Bruce was nearly killed but he ended up stopping the guy–and this was another martial arts master who was significantly bigger than Bruce. This is documented, Tark, Bruce also mixed it up with gangs when he was younger so he was basically a fighter for his whole life and probably one of the most dangerous men that ever lived–speaking in the fighting sense.

As for Mr. full contact Karate fighter Joe Louis, he was blowing innocuos steam. A lot of so-called tough guys and martial arts masters found out the hard way that Bruce Lee was the real deal. He was the epitome of fine physical conditioning. He could take a punch, or a kick like no other. He was a master in the use of numerous martial arts weapons like lances, knives, swords, daggers, nunchucks, staffs, chains, maces, etc. Bruce learned a number of his weapons skills from Japanese masters. He as also pretty good with rifle and pistol. His handspeed was legendary. He could throw and land a kick to an opponent’s head nearly as fast as he could punch them. He had incredible power for a man of his size, and he had the incredible ability to focus his power to a very small area, creating deadly impact with only one punch or kick. In fact, he did demonstrations where he placed his fist very close to a man’s chest then with the smallest movement, knocked him back several feet without actually punching him. He was incredibly athletic and could easily have been a master gymnast or acrobat. Bruce Lee was the full fighting package.

Joe Louis was full of crap. Bruce Lee never ran from or avoided anybody, especially not out of fear or doubt. If Joe Louis really wanted to fight Lee, he would have had no problem finding him. Bruce Lee is the last guy any MMA fighter , that is anywhere near his size would want to face. Bruce would obliterate them, and most likely anybody within 30 lbs. of his weight–maybe more. They’d never get the chance to ground-and-pound, lock an arm bar, or to land a flying Superman kick, or a flying back fist. They’d never even get the take-down.

Posted July 1, 2013 6:42 pm 


Anonymous

I wonder how the ancient Romans looked in their Gladiatorial games given their vast knowledge of fighting with and without weapons. As well as the gathering of vast amounts of knowledge throughout the conquered lands and pitting such Men together in training and fighting in the arena. Over the years, through learning on what to do and not to do, training with the best of the best, it must have been something to watch.

These were Men that did this on a daily basis. From fighting for food to defending their homes and even going out and gaining new homes; it would be interesting to see what they were capable.

You have to remember that ancient Pankration isn’t quite the same as we see it today. Back then, although made into a sport as well, it was created for War. And in War, you have to be flawless unlike the sport. Why? Because you can be killed in War. So everything has to be elevated: Timing, Speed, Agility, Thought, Technique, Mindset…

Ex: Read up on the Story of Dioxippus vs. Coragus. Both were a part of Alexander the Great’s campaign.

Posted July 1, 2013 6:15 pm 


TARK

BTW…. Chinese Kung Fu masters brought several teams of fighters for full contact tournaments against Muay Thia teams from Thailand…

The Muay Thia fighters always routed the Kung Fu masters.

Posted July 1, 2013 6:03 pm 


TARK

Like I said Squared Circle… Lee was not a professional full contact fighter… He was an actor.

Jon Jones is a professional full contact fighter who makes a lot of scratch for plying his trade… If there were any other secret sauces out there that could help him become more dominant and masterful at his trade — he’d run them down.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:59 pm 


TARK

rain of boos

Posted July 1, 2013 5:54 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

“Squared-Circle…. Every known fighting art is incorporated into MMA..”

Actually that’s not true, TARK. Modern MMA is hybrid mix of Boxing, Wresting, Brazilian Jujitsu, Muy Thai, Judo, Sambo, Pancrase and Shoot fighting. Every once in while you’ll see someone use a couple Karate or Tae Kwon Do techniques, but it’s rare and not typical.

What we DON’T see in modern MMA is traditional Chinese Kung Fu like Shaolin, Wushu, Wing Chun, Tai Chi Chuan, Five Animals, Praying Mantis, Drunken Monkey, etc.

Most current MMA champions, including Jones, Silva and many others, actually consider Lee to be the father of MMA. Because he created Jeet Kune Do, which is a freestyle combination of different fighting styles, including Western boxing, Wing Chun, other Kung Fu forms, and Jujitsu among others. He was the first influential martial artist to really break outta the mold of sticking to just one discipline/style/form and start combining things into a hybrid fighting system.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:54 pm 


TARK

OK… Horst beat Chuck Wepner… So did Jerry Tomasetti.. WOW

My point was Geisler was a 5th rate boxer who was specifically selected and matched against World Heavyweight Full Contact Karate Champion Everette Eddy to make Eddy — and full contact karate fighting — look good.

But he upset the pro martial arts crowd and the Karate promoters very intensively by flattening Everette Eddy in about 20 seconds.

There were no cheers for Geisler… A reign of boos decended on Geisler and his team … but they did pay him his 2,000.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:53 pm 


BIG FOOT

horst beat Chuck Wepner. Everyone’s heard of him A contender to fought Ali during the “better days” of the heavyweights.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:27 pm 


Anonymous

Squared-Circle Real Talk:

Watch the preview of the last GGG fight. GGG responds to the mention of Wards as a possible opponent down the road. He does not want to move up if doesn’t have to. He is looking for opportunity at a more comfortable weight class: 160 and maybe 154 if the right opportunity is in place.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:25 pm 


Anonymous

Squared-Circle Real Talk:

China has over 1 billion people. The possibility of having “some” tall men, some very tall men, spring up is going to be likely. But what is the percentage of that likely-hood? Especially compared to other cultures/countries/etc. say like the Europeans?

Average Chinese man in China is more like 5’6 or so.

Environment, Genetics, NUTRITION, and Health play a big part in it all. Less nutrition can lead to being more sickly which leads to stunted growth.

With an increase of economic power in China, an increase of awareness, opportunity, etc. if the right course is taken, a growth of Mind and Body should take place to an even further level. Especially given the historical background of the cultural, family, and spiritual side of the Chinese.
And NO, I’m not saying they are inferior by any means. Nobody is inferior as the Human form shapes based on opportunity.

China has been a historical influence dating back thousands of years. All forms of Art from music, to painting, to sculpture, to FOOD, to literature/writing and even War.
Heavy influence in engineering dates back thousands of years as well.
The way China built Ships was ingenious and helped shape the course of history.

And it was a damn JOKE.

Smaller stature people in height and weight, if at a healthy living standard, tend to live a lot longer than the Taller Heavyset Male counterpart. Its just to damn much on the heart so it dies out faster.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:21 pm 


TARK

Squared-Circle…. Every known fighting art is incorporated into MMA..

Jon Jones is probably the most lethal man alive..

You have to remember that Bruce Lee was a professional actor.. He wasn’t a professional fighter — and he didn’t take on high ranking fighters in full contact fights.. Joe Lewis, a full contact Karate fighter of Lee’s day said, “Lee wouldn’t dream of fighting me in a full contact fight. Or any good fighter for that matter.”

Lewis was upset by a rookie professional boxer who took up Karate with the intent to go after him.. The boxer had less than 6 months of Karate training when he won this major full contact tournament.. It was written up in all the martial arts magazines.

The guy who beat Lewis for the Heavyweight Title, Everette Eddy, was knocked out by Horst Geisler in a mixed boxing vs karate match put on by karate promoters.. Geisler was picked as a sure loser who would make Karate shine vs Boxing.

Geisler was a super fat heavyweight boxer who never beat anyone you ever heard of.. The fight took 20 seconds.. Heavyweight Karate Champion Everette Eddy threw a head kick at Geisler, Host countered with a left uppercut and driving right, and Eddy went down and out for the count.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:18 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

“Ward’s people came to Triple G for a fight and they turned him away.”

That is a straight-up LIE! 3G has already challenged WARD at 168lbs 1-2 years ago, and TEAM Ward has been totally silent. FACT.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:16 pm 


Carlos El Guapo

Ward can come down in weight like Dawson did for him.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:10 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

True that, Tomato Can. Guiness Book of World Records.

Posted July 1, 2013 5:01 pm 


Tomato Can

The tallest living human is Chinese as well.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:54 pm 


Anonymous

Squared-Circle Real Talk:

Aren’t 100 lb tiny chinese women the same as the Men???
so really, what’s the big deal ?

Posted July 1, 2013 4:35 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

spartacus 65: What up big dog? That was a nice post, my friend. The only flaw I see in 3G’s technique so far is lack of head movement. But I’m not sure if I consider that a real weakness because of his Iron Chin. 375 fights and has NEVER once touched the canvas, ever. Not in bouts, sparring or training. Combine that with murderous power in both hands.

When I watch this guy fight I see something extremely unusual and extraordinary. I could write lengthy paragraphs about the little things that he’s great at, but have already done so on other threads since Saturday night. IMO, he’s the absolute truth…. “The Natural.”

(You still doing that Krav Maga and Jeet Kune Do??? When I was younger I spent some time studying Wing Chun Gung Fu. Otherwise known as “Snake-Crane” style or “Chi Sao Sticky Hands.” It is actually the first martial art form that Bruce Lee studied as a youngster. My Sifu was a direct descendent of Yip Man, who was Lee’s original master. Yip Man also taught Ho Kam Ming, who taught Augustine Fong, who taught my Sifu, Joy Chaudhuri. There are true stories of tiny, 100lbs highly-trained Chinese women striking male attackers so hard with a single Wing Chun strike to the solar plexus that they were floored and ultimately died. A very different and exotic form of martial art and difficult to learn.)

Posted July 1, 2013 4:32 pm 


BIG FOOT

He looks bigger in that picture of him in Mexico though , don’t you think?

Posted July 1, 2013 4:28 pm 


TARK

This is probably Floyd’s last effort at 154…

He has 4 fights to go after Canelo. He could go with Matthysse… Garcia… Broner… Pacquiao… Bradley… Rios… Alvarado… Alexander… Brook… Provodnikov… a rematch or 3-fight series with one of the above… or somebody new who pops onto the scene at 147.

If he beats Canelo he never has to go back to 154. He would be crazy to do it for GGG.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:25 pm 


Carlos

That might be a good idea but it might not be for Floyd, but maybe a little from more strength training.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:24 pm 


Mark V

If Canelo can come in come in at 172 and Trout at 171 on fight night for a 154 lb. title then Canelo could likely enter at 168 -170 after rehydrating from this catchweight. Floyd might just bulk up a bit himself as a counter.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:21 pm 


Tomato Can

Mayweather has hands of china, if you want to see him in good fights pull for him to fight guys his size. If you want to see him in boring fights pull for him to fight guys that are bigger and stronger than him. I would rather see him in good fights myself.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:18 pm 


TARK

There’s another trick to this… Never buy super expensive gifts for any blood sucking relative who bugs you for money… He’ll or she will get a clue from the folks you’re generous toward… “No John.. I never asked him for a dime.”

Posted July 1, 2013 4:14 pm 


Tomato Can

little floyd over 160 on fight night? Yeah right. What a lot of you fans are fogetting is like Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather is the current cash cow, there’s no one out there high profiled enough to pull him into any weight class. All fighters want a crack at him, but unless there’s a lot fans comming with them (ala Canelo) he’s not going to be jumping around. That’s the way it is with any established fighter, and it’s always been that way. Unless there’s a lot of money on the table, or something to gain, no established fighter’s going to vacate his division to satisfy a few fans who wouldn’t give him credit for doing so in the first place. As it stand’s Canelo is a very fortunate fighter for getting this once in a life time oppertunity, even if it is two pounds south of 154. But the problem for Mayweather is, if he wins, fans will want to see him continue to fight bigger opposition, when there are plenty of good fighter’s his size. Heck, a lot of the 140 pounders are naturally bigger than little floyd, and fans try and say he comes in over 160 on fight night, yeah maybe with gear, shoes and leather trunks he might come in at 160.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:11 pm 


TARK

Floyd doesn’t believe in the weight making ritual… To tell you the truth I don’t either… Who wants to run into an unexpected wall when you still have 3 more pounds to get off? That’s really scary…

You can’t cut an arm off, so it’s back to the sauna to kill yourself… Back to chewing that super hot gum and frying your mouth trying to spit … when you can’t spit a damned drop anymore..

If you do make the weight, you might run into a wall in the 9th round… Who wants to leave their fight in the sauna???

That’s why Canelo would gladly pay a 600,000 dollar fine.. That’s not exactly chicken feed even for Saul.. You could make 20 of your relatives very happy and indebted to you if you bought them gifts with that amount of money.

Relative.., “A new wardrobe for my whole family? What did I do for you???”

Canelo.., “You’re my brother-in-law… Forget it man.”

Posted July 1, 2013 4:01 pm 


Vivek

WEBSTER: Was that the last true challenge FMW had??? Really??? I think many men have been said to be challenges. He made them LOOK like they werent. Mosley was coming off a career defining moment. Hatton was a beast (so they said. Ortiz had dropped everyone he had ever faced. And the list goes on.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:00 pm 


Carlos

Yeah, I bet FMJ is over 160 on fight night.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:57 pm 


BIG FOOT

II think we’re already seeing a bulked up Floyd. He’s going to equalize himself size wise with canelo until the bout. A bout with GGG should go to the winner.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:51 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

TARK: Yes… you’re right about that. I’m pretty sure that 172lbs vs. Tout was the heaviest of his entire career. And I believe he wanted to come into that fight a little bigger to try and match Trout’s size — who came in at 171lbs.

I believe that Canelo will be focusing more on speed and agility for this fight and will come in around 165lbs. What I was trying to say, but totally failed to say it well, is I don’t think he should worry about killing himself and cutting weight anymore than he ever does for a Jr. MW fight.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:50 pm 


spartacus 65

Squared circle real talk, what’s up champ. Spot on my friend in regards to Mayweather vacating the 154 lb. Belts. He is a SOLID welterweight at this stage of the game and holding these belts hostage in limbo,while fighting this young man Canelo at a catchweight is just plain wrong. Also Mr.Vivek in.my view erred by comparing Hopkins bodyshot to delahoyas midsection was due to precision punching alone. Hopkins had the luxury of fighting a smaller man,who if you watched closely,NONE of Delahoyas punches had any effect on the bigger Hopkins. Golovkin DOES have precision punching combined with truly incredible dorve behind them. Im for the most part impressed with Gennady,his defense could use some tweaking, still hr is a breath of fresh air and along with the influx of a wave of European fighters making an impact here in the states ALL THE BETTER for boxing. I said it once before,these guys are hungry and they are dedicated to the sport. Also their sportsmanship is most definitely a breathe of much needed fresh air.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:49 pm 


CARLOS EL GUAPO

Floyd would still be the favorite, at least if he beats Canelo. But there would be no point in a a fight with GGG because Hey!….GGG will win.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:37 pm 


Haimat

Golovkin would be the favorite against Floyd at 154. If he isn’t I’ll put down all my savings on GGG in that fight which unfortunately will never happen in a million years since Floyd won’t fight him.

Golovkin has seen all styles and would be victorious against Floyd. Guerrero in comparison to Golovkin is a kid. Golovkin is better at every single aspect of the sport. He’s done everything there is to do in boxing and beats Floyd Mayweather Jr. hands down. Floyd is too small to stand up to Golovkin and there is no where to run once the bell rings. Golovkin accomplished much more in the amateurs than Floyd did. He takes on all comers in the pro ranks which is a lot more than we can say about Floyd. Easy win for Golovkin.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:32 pm 


TARK

Squared Circle…, Even if Canelo pays a 600,000 dollar fine, he still has to make 154 to defend his World Chamionship.. Floyd came in below the WW limit for JMM.

Last time Saul had to dehydrate and rehydrate 18-pounds to make weight.. He’s a growing kid… You don’t know how much that’s going to kill him this time.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:30 pm 


Haimat

Again people, Floyd is a solid WW for years now. He tried his best to get down in weight to 144 against JMM but had to pay a huge fine for weighing in at 146. These so called “fight night weights” Show me any official fight night weight numbers and I’ll give credit to it. As of now a bunch of fan boys are throwing out how much Floyd weighed in this and that fight. If it ain’t official it ain’t true.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:25 pm 


Webster

Vivek, to answer your question, the reason that fans keep trying to find dangerous opponents for Floyd to fight is because the last real challenge Mayweather had was probably the late Diego Corales. Floyd has been a favorite, and usually an overwhelming one, in every fight he has had since. Hell, he is better than a 2-1 favorite over Alverez! The truth is we just want to see the self proclaimed best fighter of his generation fight someone who isn’t undersized, over matched, over the hill, damaged goods, etc. That is why we are kind of happy to see him fight Alverez, but we know that the odds makers are right and Canello is a big underdog in this fight. GGG might be closer to an even money fight, thats all. We are tired of mismatches.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:09 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Good call, BEARS!
Yeah… FMJ and JMM agreed on a 144lbs catch-weight and Floyd came in overweight by a few pounds and simply paid a fine in the hundreds of thousands. But it’s no big deal for a MEGA millionaire like him.

FMJ will do anything to get that edge or slight advantage. Canelo should pull a Fraud on Fraud, come in overweight and not even worry about weight-draining and weakening himself. He should focus on being as powerful, strong, fast and polished as possible, and not even think about his weight.

Pay a fine for the pleasure of putting FMJ on the canvas and dethroning him before the entire world. I’m hoping that’s what he does here.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:09 pm 


TARK

Pacquiao’s “World Championship” at 154 is not legit… Let’s just say it.

That was like Sugar Ray Leonard fighting Donny Lolande at 168 for a Light Heavyweight Title — “Maybe we should throw in the 168-pound world title while we’re at it Ray.. Why not win 2 World Championships in 2 different divisions in one night???”

… “Ahhh… Maybe because the rules and regulations say we can’t.”

… “To Hell with that.. Let’s get those rules and regs waved.”

…. Sounds like fun.

Posted July 1, 2013 3:03 pm 


BEARS

“Pull a fraud on fraud mayweather and come in over 152″ kinda like may did to jmm

Posted July 1, 2013 3:00 pm 


BEARS

No it doesn’t to answer your question. The fight should’ve been at 154. The weight being set at 152 andfighting for 154 titles I don’t agree with at all. Floyd holds the wbc 154lb title. He needs to fight at 154 like canelo and trout did. If floyd can’t gain weight like canelo and trout it doest concern me.

I said the wole time fraud needs to face canelo in a unification bout exactly like canelo and trout did.

But I also think canelo should pull a fraud on fraud may and cme in heay like fraud did to jmm so I can laugh my ass off. Say screw the weight, I’m gonna stomp a mudhole in your ass

Posted July 1, 2013 2:49 pm 


Anonymous

Squared-Circle Real Talk:

Canelo offered so Floyd took it. Jeff Mayweather thinks Canelo did it because he thought that was the way he could get Floyd in the ring and it worked.

What does look bad is that Floyd criticized Pac for the same thing. However, I would say Pac’s was even worse given the fight was held at 150, the title was vacant, and he fought Margarito for it. That combination was just awful.

And because that, and the fact that Canello is still allowed to put weight back on, why bother?
At least put a 10 pound rehydration clause in the contract and forget about catchweights. That makes more sense.

Posted July 1, 2013 2:36 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

“Going down to 140 would be dummer than continuing on fighting at 154.” Yeah… well maybe. Especially considering that the competition is all-around stiffer at Jr. WW right now.

But then again, FMJ outright refuses to defend his 154lbs titles, but is too arrogant to vacate. The fact that he can take Canelo’s legit 154lbs titles while refusing to fight that weight is absolutely mind-boggling. Does that seam normal or logical to any of you??

Posted July 1, 2013 2:32 pm 


Anonymous

The interesting part of all this is that if there was no “making weight,” a lot of those fighters that were fighting at 135-140 during Floyd’s previous reign at WW before retirement, would have been in his division all this time.

Posted July 1, 2013 2:19 pm 


Anonymous

154 title: That was put into play with Floyd because of OSCAR. he pushed him up there and Floyd obliged because it was O$CAR. That’s what helped make him the $tar he is today. And the other fight was against Cotto. Another big Star matchup and payday. And now Canelo. It’s all the same.

Now should a title holder fight his mandatory even if his opponent is not a $tar? Absolutely. And in this case, Floyd can vacate.

Posted July 1, 2013 2:18 pm 


Tomato Can

Mayweather should continue fighting at 147, not 154 and not 140 either. He’s no spring chicken, and he’s established at 147. Going down to 140 would be dummer than continuing on fighting at 154.

Posted July 1, 2013 2:17 pm 


Anonymous

Squared-Circle Real Talk:

Ah, NO. “Cutting” weight is unhealthy. Floyd found that out the hard way against Chavez.

It’s unhealthy. Doctors say it all the time that cutting weight is not good so why would you want him to participate in this ritual that is unhealthy?

If a fight is at 154 MAX LIMIT, fighters can be anywhere from 148-154. That is enough of an allowance to “make weight” by fight-time.

Divisions would be rearranged of course but so be it.

Posted July 1, 2013 2:14 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Anonymous said: “How many of these Fighters can actually weigh at the max limit by fight-time?” Who cares as that has absolutely nothing to do with reality in the sport of boxing.

Cutting weight in the week before weigh-ins and re-hydrating afterward has been a HUGE part of boxing for decades and decades — just like it is in amateur wrestling. It’s probably been well over 50 years since they’ve done weigh-ins on Fight Night — right before stepping into the ring.

If FMJ is the small WW that his fans claim he is, then he should cut weight and go back down to 140lbs. In the very least, he should VACATE his paper 154lbs Titles, if he gets past Canelo.

Posted July 1, 2013 2:09 pm 


Anonymous

Haimat:

Floyd never wants to drop more than he can piss out in one session; not anymore. He had one awful experience in having to track and make weight in the lower weights and said he was not going to put himself through that again.

Remember, Floyd showed up at 150 on fight-night for Ortiz. Most jrWW that “make weight” at 140, add on 10 pounds or so by fight-time.

Posted July 1, 2013 1:43 pm 


Anonymous

Bobby da boxer

He fought Gatti for “a title” 140. He didn’t skip it. He moved up after Tszyu lost to Hatton and Hatton didn’t want to fight him yet because Hatton was “Not ready yet.’

Posted July 1, 2013 1:39 pm 


Anonymous

Bobby da boxer

GGG weighed 170 on fight-night in his last fight and he looked “lean.”

Posted July 1, 2013 1:37 pm 


Bobby da boxer

Skipped the best tat 140 that is

Posted July 1, 2013 1:37 pm 


Bobby da boxer

Yeah who has Floyd ever fought at 140? He skiiped it just like Broner did so Gurantee he’d never go down to fight Matthysse

Posted July 1, 2013 1:36 pm 


Bobby da boxer

GGG walks around at 162 and fights lighter than Cabnelo

Posted July 1, 2013 1:33 pm 


TARK

…., “Floyd could actually drop down and fight at a more natural 140lbs”

That’s interesting… Especially since he paid a $600,000.00 dollar fine because he couldn’t drop below 146 without hurting himself.

Posted July 1, 2013 1:28 pm 


Anonymous

GGG needs a big fight. Be it at 154, 160, 168. He has earned it from a fighter’s point of view.

Posted July 1, 2013 1:23 pm 


TARK

Vivek says…, “Two times I saw Macklin land shots that temporarily stopped Golovkin’s momentum.”

That’s cool Viv… Once I saw Golovkin land a shot that stopped Macklin.

Posted July 1, 2013 1:22 pm 


Anonymous

I’m for the fight. Absolutely. I” not the one getting punched in the face and the body. And I’m not the one going to have to give up 15+ pounds to a “Naturally” bigger opponent.

But let’s keep it real: You have a bunch of fighters who don’t actual fight at the “max limit required weight” by the time the first bell rings. And, these same fighters are calling out a fighter who has routinely weighed 147-150 on fight-night all these years.

How about a little push for some of these guys to take on fighters one weight class above?

Now all that said, YES, I would do the same if I was GGG and the others. Floyd is arguably the Golden Boy of Boxing right now and who wouldn’t want to fight him given the Money and the Reputation you could receive if you beat him.

Will most note how much naturally bigger you were? Hell No. As long as you beat the dark shadow that pisses everyone off, you’re all good.

Posted July 1, 2013 1:20 pm 


Anonymous

But yes, if Floyd carries the 154 pound title, and GGG drops down in weight and fights at least once against a top fighter there to prove he can make weight and position himself for a title fight, SURE, make the fight happen…even though it doesn’t make financial sense since GGG is not popular.

But lets not act like this is really a “154″ pound title as it pertains to the actual fight. NO. If that were the case, we would have two fighters weighing no more than 154 pounds by the time the first bell rings.

If Floyd can move up from 130 to 154, and fight on fight-night at 150 pounds in the WW and JrMW division, which means he is going up against bigger fighters; how about GGG move up to fight at 168?

Posted July 1, 2013 1:15 pm 


outofsight0

Hey Vivek, good analysis, totally agree GGG looked really good but have to see him against an elite fighter to see how he deals with power and movement-is an open question. I usually think your analysis are pretty dead on with fighter being hyped to early in their careers before they are really tested. But Vivek was kind surprised with your Broner analysis-I was kind of surprised at his performance with paulie fight, I think paulie is decent fighter and respectable, but he was there for the taking-look at his last fight with Cano(who should have got the decision), look at the stats Cano landed more than Broner and 45% power shots, paulie has slowed down. Cano is a good b-level fighter(lost to ways past his prime mosely recently) and probably did more damage to paulie than Broner. Broner has been hyped way too much, was kind of surprised you thought his performance was good-even Hopkins had it a close fight and seemed he would have stopped paulie before fight, thought Broner won but was close. And let’s keep it real paulie is past his prime now and is only a paper champ, it’s kind of a joke saying this guy went up 2 weight classes and beat a legitimate champ at welter. Paulie got a title from some russian guy who never fought anyone outside of Russia.

Posted July 1, 2013 1:13 pm 


Bobby da boxer

Yeah I think Vivick would just as soon retire if the fans got a welterweight double header that they really want— Broner vs Matthysse at welter and FMJ vs GGG at superwelter

Posted July 1, 2013 1:09 pm 


Anonymous

Squared-Circle Real Talk:

How many of these Fighters can actually weigh at the max limit by fight-time?

Posted July 1, 2013 1:08 pm 


Haimat

GGG is too strong and too skilled for Floyd. Floyd will never take that fight. I respect Floyd for finally stepping up and fighting the tough fight in Canelo but people, don’t think Floyd is on a suicide mission. He’s never fighting GGG because he can’t win that fight.

Posted July 1, 2013 1:05 pm 


Haimat

Vivek will never change. He’s got his own agenda. 3G is a beast with 350 amateur fights against the best all over the world. Not like Broner who fougth in Cincinnati 300 times. Golovkin fought the best since his junior Olympic Gold in 2000 to the World Championship Gold and Olympic Silver medal in 2004. His amateur achievements are incredible. One of the few who beat Korobov as an amateur.
Mayweather boil down to 140? Why would you say that Vivek? He couldn’t even make 144 against JMM a few years back, weighing in at 146. Floyd is a solid WW. He will NEVER make 140 again. That’s just typical Vivek BS, the worst boxing scribe on ESB.

Posted July 1, 2013 1:02 pm 


Tyrone Jones

Excellant points Squared Circle.

Posted July 1, 2013 12:59 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

FMJ still owns two MAJOR Titles/Straps at 154lbs and is ranked the #1 Jr. MW in the world by Ring. If FMJ wants to continue calling himself the 154lbs Champion of the World — and he does — he better be willing to defend his Titles at 154lbs or VACATE.

3G can EASILY make 154lbs to fight FMJ or Canelo because he’s not a big MW.

So what you Floyd fans are saying is that FMJ is the best fighter in the world and the GOAT, but is somehow too small to fight guys that can make weight in his own class???

That’s PURE B.S. and makes ZERO sense whatsoever. The real GOAT would be begging for a chance to fight the best in the world — even if they’re 5-10lbs heavier. Truth is… FMJ should’ve been STRIPPED of his two 154lbs Titles for refusing to fight Canelo at that weight.

You FMJ fan-boyz are scared senseless of your hero losing his precious “O”. So the lame, played-out excuses keep flowing like a river. Bottom line.

Posted July 1, 2013 12:50 pm 


Maracho

One mistake, Maywether only fought the best in his class many many years ago

Posted July 1, 2013 12:45 pm 


Maracho

Even according to Vivic’s own logic, Andre Ward is vastly more proven than Mayweather because Maywether never fought the best in his class as has Ward. Btw, Golovkin and Gurrero are more proven than Canelo because all of his opponants except Trout were way past it. Joessito Lopez was good but he had just come up “two” weight classes. On the other hand, Floyd was ranked at 154 for years and that is the weight that Golovkin want to fight him at.

Posted July 1, 2013 12:36 pm 


BEARS

Ggg vs floyd would be a superfight. That’s why you do it if floyd survives canelo. The bes fighting the best. DEFINETLY rather see floyd fight ggg than anyone else like broner, bradley kahn. After ggg bring in mathyse. Please vivek who else would u rather see floyd face? I gurantee it wouldn’t be as exciting as ggg or as dangerous.

We know ggg is the best middleweight. We know he would brutalize martinez and ko him. I think as much can be gleaned from watching ggg vs mac and mac vs martinez. Ggg is currently ranked under martinez and geale ONLY. Does anyone think ggg wouldn’t stop either? Does anyone think ggg is not the best middleweight?!!? LET THEM SPEAK NOW!!!!

Posted July 1, 2013 12:28 pm 


Gussy Finknottle

Hawks: I agree, I think GGG is probably the best middle weight around at the moment, but I don’t think he’d beat Ward. Ward is a big and strong super middle/light heavyweight with excellent skills. I think Wards strength and skills would nullify GGG s power. We might find out one day, but I doubt it.

Posted July 1, 2013 12:26 pm 


TARK

Vivek writes.., “This is why Cotto spoke about Mayweather’s deceptive punching power in the aftermath of their showdown.”

Hmmm… Forrest floored a prime Mosley twice. Floyd never put an old Mosley down… Whose legs did the dipsy-doodle? Floyd’s or Shane’s?

Floyd has 2 KO’s in the past 7 years… Golovkin has 14 straight KO’s.

Floyd has deceptive power—GGG has spectacular power.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:54 am 


TARK

Vivek writes.., “Precision punching does far more damage” …. LMFAO

Antonio Tarver fought Roy Jones 3 times… Two of the fights showcased precision punching—in one fight Tarver blasted Roy out with a KO punch.

The logic lesson??? KO punches do more damage than precise punches.

A wild shot that finds the mark still flattens you. A precision punch can be a deft jab—or the precise finisher that GGG applied to Macklin.

Precision doesn’t equal power—anymore than size equals strength.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:53 am 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Gussie: as long as Mayweather holds a Belt at 154 ..Anyone also Wlad Klitschko can have a go at him in that weightclass…So if Wlad goes down to 154 ..Bring it on!!

Posted July 1, 2013 11:47 am 


Hawks

Gussie Finknottle Murray have no chances against GGG, I doubt aged Martinez or Quillen ever fight with GGG. Let see if Geale have a balls to step up to fight Golovkin. As for Ward, GGG already won against Direll, who is a similar size as a Ward is.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:42 am 


Tomato Can

I have an idea, let us let Mayweather fight Alvarez.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:41 am 


Gussie Finknottle

GGG is too small for Ward.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:28 am 


Gussie Finknottle

Its pretty much like when Mayweather fought Marquez. Marquez had a massive size disadvantage to contend with as well as Mayweathers skills. I think if they were both the same natural weight we would have seen a very close fight…probably a classic

Posted July 1, 2013 11:26 am 


Hawks

Vivec, when GGG said he need little time to fight Ward? He actually said he will fight anytime, anywhere with anybody from 154 to 168 lb.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:24 am 


Gussie Finknottle

It’s ridiculous to talk about Mayweather fighting Golovkin. Next you’ll be wanting Mayweather to figh the Klitchkos.

How about Donaire vs Huck or Broner vs Tyson Fury ?

Posted July 1, 2013 11:21 am 


Gussie Finknottle

I agree that a lot of people are getting a bit carried away with Golvkin. He does seem pretty good but lets see what happens when he fights Martinez, Geale, Quillen or even Murray.

On the subject about Hopkins beating De La Hoya with a body punch…so he should have. Oscar should never have been in the ring with a middleweight. I honestly believe Hopkins ‘Career Defining Wins’ are all against fighters who were naturally at least 2 weights smaller than himself.
Whenever he fought the best at his natural weight hes lost eg: RJJ, Taylor and Calzaghe.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:16 am 


CJ

Vivek-you don’t hear about the K bros in p4p ratings because they are heavyweights. They have dominated all their competition whether it was good or sub par just like Floyd or Hopkins does. With a WAY higher KO ratio. Great HW’s never get put on the P4P list unless it’s one 20 years or older because of nostalgia.

Posted July 1, 2013 11:00 am 


Happyboy

Why does Mayweather who started at 130lbs have to fight MW like GGG and Martinez. Why can’t they fight each other or SMW like Ward, Froch and Kessler?

Posted July 1, 2013 10:59 am 


Happyboy

Moonshine – like it or not he is one of the best. His resume is a lot better than the KBros combined.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:56 am 


edd

Mayweather vs golovkin doesn’t make sense, not because mayweather would carry all the promoting burden, which is true but because it would not be a fair fight. DLH could fight anyone and it would sell. Mayweather needs to fight a Latino to continue making money. Getting back to the original point, mayweather would be outgunned big time. However, if mayweather wanted to make significant history and eclipse manny’s legacy completely and totally, he could choose to fight either this so called triple g or martinez, that’s taking into account that he would win but common sense says, there’s a line you just don’t cross ever.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:56 am 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Anyone mentioning Hopkins as 1 of the best in the biz ….Should be fired as a boxing-scribe…LHW sucks…And guys who were second tier at SMW are the ones rated 1-5 in most lists…Stevenson won’t stay talk of the town in that division either…Because the talent is really not that great so wouldn’t be surprised if he was beaten by another top 15 LHW….If Froch ,Ward or even Semi-retired Kessler moved up they would run that div….Maybe even Stieglitz..That’s the truth.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:53 am 


Hecdog

Golovkin looks like a monster right now, but he has not had a defining fight. Quillin is a tough, powerful fighter that I think would be a great match for Golovkin. So far, Golovkin has had everything his way, and he does fight with purpose and confidence, but he needs to fight those top guys. I do like his style though. I want to see if Golovkin can take a solid punch. Can he make the necessary adjustments when adversity comes his way. There’s a lot of similar questions to be answered that are also being asked of Canelo. I think Golovkin has a lot of potential, and could be the real thing. He comes to fight!

Posted July 1, 2013 10:47 am 


Happyboy

P4P Peckham – why not give us a few of those elite white fighters.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:35 am 


Jack Handy

I think Ward is too big before any discussion. He’ll be at light heavy at some point soon. Golovkin is at 160 and might be able get to 154 for the right fight. Your not going to beat Ward going in with that disadvantage. Even Mayweather struggled a little when going up to 154.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:33 am 


Vivek

Too Smooth: You nailed it. Mayweather can’t win with some of these guys. And when you try to defend legitimate points relative to him, they cry and call “bias” bcuz it’s him lol. When Pacquiao forced men to come to HIS natural weight, no one cared. FMW takes Canelo up on a catchweight request and does the same thing MP did and suddenly it’s the end of the world? LOL. Fellas i respect your opinion but step off with some of that stuff lol C’mon man….

Posted July 1, 2013 10:27 am 


TOO SMOOTH

My thoughts on a Mayweather, 3G fight are , if 3G drops to 154 and fights FM and gets outclassed and loses or it’s a tough fight and FM shows great heart and pulls out a victory, all that will do is get FM detractors more ammo to criticize him with. And of course that criticism would be 3G was drained and lost his strength and power and so on and so forth. Mark my works, if FM beats Canelo handily or at all, detractors will say the only reason for the FM victory was because Canelo was drained. I’ve been coming to this sight too long not to know the trends around here.

Posted July 1, 2013 10:05 am 


Vivek

Fellas first off to compare Ward with Mayweather youre dead wrong. Ward is the best of his class. FMW is the best in the sport, big diff. It can be argued that Ward is the 2nd best P4P fighter in the sport, but your logic is flawed. Golovkin has NEVER defeated the best of his class. Canelo has. That and drawing power give him warrant to get this fight – far more than some of the others Floyd has fought recently like Guerrero. Canelo deserves this fight more so than GGG. GGG needs to defeat the best of his class before he gets a crack at FMW. By doing that he establishes himself as a viable opponent on resume AND in the eyes of the avg fight fan. Why would GGG say he “needs a little time” before facing Ward, yet agrees to face FMW immediately? It’s obviously a business decision for him. So how can you knock FMW for making a biz decision as well (to take the bigger $ fight against a more reputable opponent)??? C’mon boyz.

Posted July 1, 2013 9:49 am 


Tyrone Jones

Oh and lets not forget that Macklin had enough power to knock Martinez down and stay competetive for 11 rounds but had very little effect against Golovkin

Posted July 1, 2013 9:25 am 


Tyrone Jones

Good point maracho… Vivic obviously insists that that Canelo’s persision and resume is better than Golovkin’s yet he wants to immediatly throw the Eurasian in against the “very” best–Andre Ward. Such centrism doesnt seem too condusive to the sport.

Posted July 1, 2013 9:14 am 


osy

@Vivek: You can’t have it both ways, you can’t fight for one guy for a belt at 154lbs but refuse to fight another at the same weight because he is somehow ‘too big’, and reasonably expect not to receive criticism. Personally I think Floyd has no business fighting either Alvarez or Golovkin, plenty of good fights as 140/147 if he genuinely can achieve those weights.

Fully agree Golovkin needs to fight some of the top guys at 160lbs though.

And lastly, Hopkins is clearly not a top tier fighter now. Chad Dawson beat him, and he fought a draw with Pascal. That is barely 2nd tier.

Posted July 1, 2013 9:09 am 


Vivek

Fellas, for those who asked please go bk and re-read the words i used. I did not say that GGGs punch was any different from Hopkins. As a matter of fact i used it as a parallel. Both used a well placed shot to pull the curtains. My point was that some fighters use multiple precision punches to get what other punchers (Tyson, etc) could do in one shot. GGG is a fighter who uses his precision punches to chop the tree, not one shot. So for those sayin, “oh, he landed a body shot and ended it” as if that’s all he can do should be on notice. He’s far more than that. But it still doesnt tell us how durable he will be against a guy who can take his shots and land as hard. Rosado tested him greatly. I think Martinez could hurt him. Macklin did so i have no doubt Martinez can, too.

Posted July 1, 2013 9:06 am 


The Truth

Ken – I didn’t realise you have to knock out the other guy for ‘W’ you muppet. Geale wins on accuracy and work rate. I know Geale wants to fight against the best and now people are calling GGG the best at Middle. I’m not saying he would win but I know he wouldn’t be scared of the challenge.

Posted July 1, 2013 8:53 am 


maracho

Oh and Vivic, i’m not at all surprised that you are still on the fence post concerning the likes of Mathysse and Golovkin but then why would you want Golovkin to rush in and fight the bigger P4P king Andre Ward next?

Posted July 1, 2013 8:36 am 


malachi

i would also like to see him against murray,that would determine his worth to me because murray beat martinez,,,yezzzir!

Posted July 1, 2013 8:29 am 


maracho

Vivic, why do you consider Bernard’s liver shots as intelligently slick precision but not Golovkin’s? Moreover, why not consider your own physics in that Hopkins was simply using a much longer and heavier axe than Oscar’s bones (logs) were accustomed to?. Moreover still, Bernard’s claim to fame came via fighting two much smaller KO kings in Oscar and Trinidad. To conclude, I believe Oscar started fighting at a weight smaller than Floyd yet like so many other welterwieght kings, he went up to fight the best Middleweights. Floyd it seems went to subpar Jr. Middleweight but only out of the convenience to avoid the top Welterweights ala his lil brother Broner who just avoided the best Jr. WWs. Sooo Golovkan, who actually walks around lighter than Canelo can easily go down to Jr Middleweight but Floyd once again hightailed it out of that real threat; and please dont tell me that Canelo is all about the money because Floyd has passed up a billion avoiding the best.

Posted July 1, 2013 8:25 am 


Gussie Finknottle

I agree with the caution about Golovkin, but in reply to one of your points…Hopkins beat Oscar because he was at least 3 natural weight classes bigger than him. Hopkins ‘career defining wins’ were all against littler fighters. Hopkins lost against the best in his natural weight class…Jones, Calzaghe and Taylor.

Posted July 1, 2013 7:07 am 


ken

re the truth YOU MUST BE JOKING ! HE COULNT PUT THE MOUTH AWAY WHY WOULD HE CALL GGG UNLESS HE DEMANDS AN O/RATED PURSE! OZ DREAMER !

Posted July 1, 2013 6:11 am 


curtley

I agree that Floyd has no need to face Golovkin as he is nowhere near Mayweather in terms of achievement, I would love him to face Martinez though as Ray Leonard faced Hagler this to me would win or lose put Floyd up there with the ATG’s as he falls slightly short as rarely if ever takes a fight where he is the underdog or at least 50-50.

Posted July 1, 2013 6:02 am 


The Truth

I wouldn’t be surprised if Geale steps up. I don’t believe he ducked GGG and wasn’t expecting to have his new title stripped off him so soon. Geale seemed to get punished because Sturm dodged GGG for 2 years. Geale had a more lucrative offer with a lot of positives, to fight Mundine which at that time meant more $$$$, avenge of his only pro defeat (which was a robbery), have a home defence in Oz. When he disposes of Barker, I think he might actually call out GGG. Have to wait and see.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:59 am 


UJelly

I don’t think Martinez or any of the other champs will face Golovkin yet. The guy is far too dangerous.
I’d like to see GGG in with Murray. Murray seemed open to fighting the winner of this, and the only blemishes on his record are a draw with Sturm (that he should’ve got the win in), and a very narrow loss to Martinez (i.e. some even thought should’ve gone to Murray).
If Golovkin beats and dominates Murray, then there will be nowhere to hide for Martinez or any other title holder… the public will scream for the fight to be made.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:31 am 


Killing Moon The Soothsayer

It’s pretty clear that Golovkin has both power and precision…That’s what makes him so special…The thing I saw and have seen is his placement infront of an opponent…He’s simply always in the right place to make an offensive move/score a point…That comes from being well-schooled in the Amateur ranks and you can see the same skill in Rigo…Although he uses it in a more defensive way….His stalking ability/cutting off the ring reminds me of Hagler when he was best and the Jab is in the upper-echelon of what we’ve seen in the sport….These skills will make it hard for anyone to compete with him…How do you stop perfect placement,power,precision and a jab that you have to respect ?….I doubt anyone at that weight or around is skilled enough to not get hit by him…

SMW would be interesting because he would have to respect guys like Ward,Froch and Kessler.The two latter because of power and Ward would no doubt start running in to him head first and lean on him….And both could change his gameplan….
Mayweather wouldn’t stand a chance nor would anyone naturally smaller than him…So it all comes down to what you want…Competative match-making or Golovkin humiliating smaller name-opponents..Anywho I want GGG to try and clean out MW before talking stupid money-figths going up and down…When’s the last time anyone actually cleaned a div ?…Sadly GGG is 31 and has wasted years not fighting the best after he turned pro… We should all be grateful to watch him in the coming years because he really is special.

Posted July 1, 2013 4:02 am 


hookoffthejab

“Martinez who is durable enough to take his punches” Martinez has shown from his last couple of outings that durable he is not .GGG is a great talent but it is too early yet , I would have to see him do the same to Geale Chocolate Sturm .And calling out Junior is a joke , Canelo maybe but not Floyd .How hard is it going to be too make these fights with the other guys at 160 ?

Posted July 1, 2013 3:07 am 



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