Floyd fought high level fighters at a young age… Marquez did as well… Hopkins was fighting top level 20 years ago… Jofre fought top guys for many years… Moore did as well… Harold Johnson did… Vitali won his first world title 15 years ago… Pacquiao fought top level guys for a long time, and he was KO’d twice as a young boxer… I could go on but you get my point.
It’s a bit unusual to fight at a high level for a long time… but why not if you have the skills??? Canelo is going to improve his technical skills for a long, long time… He’s facing the GOAT and things should get earier after that… Now, of course he’s likely to run into Golovkin in the next few years… Those will be tough fights. You usually don’t have to face anyone like that in your whole career. That’s the only massive problem I see to his longevity.Posted July 4, 2013 10:29 pm
@Tark~Given the present path Canelo is taking, Fighting a first ballet hall of famer in Mosely and facing one of the top 5-10 best that ever laced up the gloves, by the time he’s 23,would suggest ,if he stays the course of fighting at this level, he peaks much earlier than 35.Posted July 4, 2013 4:08 pm
Yeah I work… I trade the markets so I’m on the computer a lot. I like boxing, MMA, and political websites the best, but I go to a lot of other sites.
I get out and about for at least 5 to 10 hours a day so I make posts from other devices. Sometimes I’ll be on the phone and somebody will ask me, “Are you posting to the Internet while we’re talking?”Posted July 4, 2013 2:38 pm
Tark. Do you work? you seem to be on the forum 24/7?
@Too Smooth.., There’s a thousand other things that could keep you from arriving in London besides your plane dropping out of the sky… People are forced to change or cancel their plans all the time.
And when you talk about super skilled world champions who are the most dominant boxers in the entire world in their weight classes—and are still undefeated after 7 World Title Fights you narrow that list of 10,000 boxers down to a few dozen.
Then when you look at the progression of Canelo’s skills, what he’s done in 43 fights, note how little damage he has suffered, and note his emphasis and interest in the science of boxing, you narrow that list down much further… It’s a matter of deciding if Canelo fits the profile of boxers who kept improving and polishing their professional skills for 10 to 20 years, depending on when their pro careers began, to peak at about 35.
Many world champions today peaked about 35.. Marquez… Wladimir… Vitali… Hopkins… Floyd… Martinez… Stevenson… Froch… and they could easily be joined by Ward, Donaire, Rigondeaux, Golovkin, Trout, and other present world champions of today who haven’t yet reached age 35.
Pacquiao is one of the few really outstanding boxers today who, at 34, is probably past his peak.. His style is that of a mixer, he has myriad interests outside of Boxing, and he’s been dropping behind the older and more scientifically oriented Marquez—who is nearly 40. But in the last 2 years JMM has upped his strength and size considerably with new trainers and training programs, which helped him put the kibosh on the younger MP.
Combine the above with the progression of sports science in general, which will certainly be pushed a little farther ahead by the time Canelo reaches 35.Posted July 4, 2013 12:14 am
@Tark~ If you’re talking probabilities, then the chances of Canelo peaking at 35 are less than him peaking in the next few years. Here’s why! Say from 1900 until present day there have been 10,000 pro boxers , out of all those boxers there has been 100 who have peaked at the age of 35 and dominated like Mayweather ,Moore and Hopkins. If you do the math, that is only 1% of the boxers in the last 100 and 13 years to peak at the age of 35 and dominate for any length of time. Now you and I both know there hasn’t been 100 boxers in the last 113 years to peak at 35 and dominate. As far as your analogy of flying to England goes, thousands of flight go in and out of England every year and, as far as I can remember, there hasn’t been a crash in decades. So when you say you’re going to England, you can, with an educated certainty say that you will arrive safely. The probability is great. The probability of Canelo peaking at 35 is poor.Posted July 3, 2013 9:43 pm
Oscar De la LingeriePosted July 3, 2013 7:51 pm
Too Smooth… It like saying you’re going to be in London next Friday… You don’t know for sure: The plane might crash… the world might end… A terrorist attack might happen and cancel all flights… you might be be struck by lightning and die.
I’m talking probabilities… When I said Saul would beat Trout — I didn’t know that either.Posted July 3, 2013 6:36 pm
@Dino~ Good points! I posted on another thread, If Canelo wants any chance of winning he must learn to cut the ring off and get in great shape. If not he will be picked apart and sucking wind come the 6th round.Posted July 3, 2013 5:06 pm
Lots of so called boxing experts on here. You don’t have to be an expert to know that Mayweather is much more clever than Canelo, and always in GREAT shape. Mayweather will outsmart the young lion and win on points, Skill, speed, ring IQ and great shape= win. No brainer.Posted July 3, 2013 3:44 pm
The answer to author’s last question is simple. Money. No other fighter on the planet could come close to the payday with Floyd.Posted July 3, 2013 1:40 pm
@Tark~ All those guys you mentioned have one thing in common, good defense. That’s what added to the longevity of their careers not the time they peaked physically. Again these guys are the exception not the rule. Canelo may burn out, give out or plain give up or he may be on top for the next 20 years, we don’t know is what I’m saying. You come on here as if you have greater insight to the sport of boxing than anyone else. You do have a vast knowledge of the sport but, to make a statement that Canelo will peak in the next 12-13 years as if it’s fact, is just BS. You don’t know what will happen in his career.Posted July 3, 2013 10:11 am
He made BH shave off three pounds for their fight.Posted July 3, 2013 9:49 am
DLH needs to shut his trap.Posted July 3, 2013 9:47 am
Gonzo the Dragonborn
So the Ginger Mexican is at his peak now? lol. These Floyd groupies are utterly ridiculous beyond words. The kid doesn’t even have pubes yet. lol. He still plays kiss chase for Christ’s sake. lol. Floyd only took this fight now because he knows that Canelo is greener than the Incredible Hulk’s bollocks. ROFL.Posted July 3, 2013 7:37 am
Nothing 2 add, boxing machine has it 100% rightPosted July 3, 2013 7:03 am
@Too Smooth.., “How the hell do you know Canelo is going to peak in 12 or 15 years?”
I said 12 or 13 years…, Because he’s a student of boxing. He keeps getting better. I could tell Floyd was going to be around a long time—and Hopkins, Tarver, Vitali, Wladimir, Marquez, and Lewis. When you see a boxer working on his craft whatever his age—and doing different things and looking better and better—you know he’s going to be around for a very long time. I never dreamed Hopkins would win a world title at 48—but I figured he’d probably be fighting at 39 … He’s a scientist.
Guys like Hatton, Graziano, Fullmer, Marciano, Frazier, Chavez, Tyson, Gatti, Kessler, Abdusalamov, Arreola, Provodnikov … aren’t as interested in the science of boxing. You expect them to peak much earlier and not last as long.Posted July 3, 2013 12:53 am
I see good, another GGG fanboy.Posted July 2, 2013 11:42 pm
I see good, time for an eye exam.Posted July 2, 2013 11:41 pm
I see Good
Time carches up with ALL boxers. Even CHERRYPICKER.. Look at Martinez, he knock out that tall freak in the second fight beat him in the first fight also but was ROB. He even the SCORE the next fight. Martinez looks AVERAGE at best now. The REAL MAN is GGG. Yes the most AVOIDED fighter in the middle weight division. CherryPicker stands more flat footed CANT run Canelo will Bully him and KNOCK Chery Picker out. Changing of the guard.Posted July 2, 2013 11:39 pm
What people fail to realize is that cotto move more that canelo and he moves in with his punches. Canelo stops, stands, and throws hellacious combos, BUT! He stops and stands to do that, Floyd won’t be there. As far as the weight, it should have been a fight night weigh in period. That eliminates the need for a catchweight and the worry about canelo ballooning up. The problem is, if canelo really had to weigh in and fight around 154lbs it wouldn’t even be close, Floyd would completely embarrass him.Posted July 2, 2013 9:51 pm
what happen to no catch weight?Posted July 2, 2013 9:28 pm
@ toosmooth- defense, offense. Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. And Pacquioa had a good offense until…….. Marquez happened. Mayweather can slip punches and block punches all night, but again we’ve seen Mayweather popped in the face by a faded Mosley and a worn out Cotto so he does not exactly display an impenetrable defense like u imagine it, so again 1 punch, one punch……Posted July 2, 2013 9:16 pm
What? Some didn’t know Mayweather can bleed? Anyway, all it takes is one punch, but unlike Pacquiao Mayweather isn’t prone to jumping into punches. But true, all he has to do is doit once at the wrong time.Posted July 2, 2013 8:58 pm
“halfbrainedalgo” hahahahahahahaha, fittingPosted July 2, 2013 8:57 pm
@Ray~ Is /was Pac’s defense anywhere near Mayweathers? That’s why Pac’s been battered and blooded ,dropped and stopped in fights and Mayweather hasn’t. Plus Mayweather isn’t as willing as Pac to engage in wars of attrition.Posted July 2, 2013 8:53 pm
Look if Pacquios can lose Mayweather can too, all it takes is one punch.However Canelo has stated several times that he does not intend to rely soley on power to defeat Mayweather and underestimating his ring intelligence will get you knocked down like the overconfident Trout. Mayweathers time is almost up and Cotto showed us that Mayweather is vunerable and can bleed. So watch out. All it takes is one punch like Marquez and its lights out. Canelo has the power to do it but he stated thats NOT his only plan but if it happens he will take it.Posted July 2, 2013 8:41 pm
“Tell me the difference again?”-SURE. Floyd has more SKILLS than his opponent and Oscar DIDN’T. SO Oscar was indeed insecure about the Fight but Floyd ISN’T. His confidence is HIGH. SO De la Hoya’s quote in the title of this article is FALSE. Need me to run it past you a THIRD time Halfbrainedalgo????Posted July 2, 2013 8:40 pm
Some guys thought Pavlik would rule MW for the next 10 yrs at the LEAST. But now just 5 or 6 yrs later he’s retired because Hopkins mentally snapped him. Floyd just may mentally snap Canelo. GOOD point.Posted July 2, 2013 8:36 pm
“I predict right now 14 yrs ahead of time that it WON’T happen.” Hopefully we’ll all get luck and you’ll be dead in 13 years, doofusamundo.Posted July 2, 2013 8:34 pm
“OH I SEE. You are comparing Floyd’s confidence to your own when you asked B-Hop for a catchweight…..Well SORRY. Floyd has more SKILLS than his opponent unlike you vs. Hopkins. SO his confidence is HIGH”
Yeah, that fully explains why Floyd wanted the fight at a catchweight of 152 pounds. Let’s see, Oscar fought Hopkins at a catchweight. Mayweather will be fighting Canelo at a catchweight. Hmmmm. Tell me the difference again?Posted July 2, 2013 8:33 pm
TOO SMOOTH-NICE points TOO. You schooled TARK like a Professor.Posted July 2, 2013 8:33 pm
@Correctomundo~ Canelo won’t be fighting in 14 years. I’m gonna use Tarks looking glass. I predict Canelo will become a coke head and his career will end by the time he is 28. My prediction has just as much creditability as Tarks, agreed!Posted July 2, 2013 8:30 pm
THAT shows you how POOR peoples logic IS. They cry more for the weight advantage on the day BEFORE the Fight than the Fight night weight advantage. How DUMB is that??? HOW about talking about the 20lb weight advantage on Fight night Oscar???? When did YOU ever have the BALLS to face a guy who had a 20 lb weight advantage on you on Fight night????….OH I SEE. You are comparing Floyd’s confidence to your own when you asked B-Hop for a catchweight…..Well SORRY. Floyd has more SKILLS than his opponent unlike you vs. Hopkins. SO his confidence is HIGH……That’s why he’s willing to give UP a 20 lb advantage on Fight night when you WOULDN’T. Lets watch Canelo’s career and see if you allow him to sign a Fight when he’s 36 yrs old vs. a guy who will be 20 lbs bigger on Fight night….. And that guy be a Top 10 P4P Undefeated World CHAMP…..I predict right now 14 yrs ahead of time that it WON’T happen.Posted July 2, 2013 8:24 pm
Actually there are people crying and calling Canelo a bully, just FYI.Posted July 2, 2013 8:17 pm
GREAT points mica!!!! Floyd is SO GREAT that he can give UP a 20 lb advantage and no one CRIES for him because he’s got TOO much SKILLS. ….IF Canelo had to give UP a 20lb advantage on Fight night everyone would be here crying like slapped BABIES for him!!Posted July 2, 2013 8:14 pm
Personally I don’t think the 2lb weight drop is going to have much affect on Canelo, reason being, he’s 22 years old. Young guys are physically, very resilient. Canelo, I believe is one of those guys. IMO, it’s easier for a young guy to drop weight and fight a naturally smaller man than to gain weight and fight a naturally bigger full grown, peak condition man.Posted July 2, 2013 8:12 pm
Teepee, DLHoya ain’t mad with anything, watch the picture, he’s laughing all the way to the bank.Posted July 2, 2013 7:34 pm
too smooth may have the beat!Posted July 2, 2013 7:32 pm
correctamundo is correct.Posted July 2, 2013 7:30 pm
@Tark~ How the hell do you know Canelo is going to peak in 12 or 15 years, for all you know he’s reached his peak right now. Stop and think for a moment, how many guys come out of college football, dominated and when they get to the pros can’t make that next level? It’s because they peaked early in life. If anything there are more young men that peak early in life than later. So it’s more likely that Canelo is peaking right now than in another decade. For all we know he may peak normally, around 25-28 years old. Your examples of Moore , Hopkins ect. are exceptions to the rule. 98% of boxers peak normally and the other 1% peak early. 98+1+1=100. You’re welcome for the lesson.Posted July 2, 2013 7:27 pm
Keep licking maywheathers balls i wd love to c ur faces whwn canelo put him to sleep on september 14 lolPosted July 2, 2013 6:41 pm
Anyone that is actually taking De-la-hoya’s comments seriously , should not be on this site. How can you say mayweather is insecure for asking a 22 year old, “junior middle weight” known for ballooning up to 165-172 lbs on fight night to come down to 152. FREAKIN 2lbs are you kidding me?? Maywaether is 36 years old, the undisputed P4P king, biggest draw in boxing& Future HOF – Canelo should be coming down to 147 if he wants to challenge him!! If you don’t respect what mayweather is doing by fighting a MUCH bigger guy that has speed & power without a re hydration clause, you are plain Stupid! Ask any boxer whether having a 20lb advantage in a fight is significant & he will probably ask you if you know how to count!!
Check all the articles on this EVERYONE is saying Floyd is a warrior for not asking for a rehydration clause. De-la-hoya is already doing damage control cause he knows Canelo is losing!!Posted July 2, 2013 6:08 pm
Because Grennady… Sergio… and Quillin will be big money fights after Floyd… It’s doubtful Canelo can beat GGG but if he can the other 2 guys he can handle… Then it will be time to take Ward out… I estimate that is 2 years off … maybe 3… Canelo will be developing a lot faster than Ward at that point. Ward has been suffering from injuries and inaction.
Saul would be 25 and going after his 3rd divisional title.Posted July 2, 2013 4:19 pm
“Then why did Floyd ask for the 152 lb. catchweight?”-He DIDN’T. Canelo DID. WHY does he come IN 18 lbs over the limit on Fight night??? THAT shows more insecurity to me. IF you’re going to be 172 on Fight night why not face Ward after you face Floyd???? Floyd is #1 and Ward is #2 on the P4P list. Since Canelo claims to want to be the BEST then why not face dthe Top 2 rated Fighters in his weight range??Posted July 2, 2013 3:54 pm
“Floyd was still making defensive errors when he fought Cotto … and getting ripped with smooth, masterful jabs.”-Every single Fighter still makes defensive errors every single Fight but Floyd makes the LEAST amount of them on average. While he’s getting hit with jabs other guys are getting hit with a power shots……Even when Vitali set the record for allowing the LEAST amount of power punches to land against him in a 12 rd Fight vs. Kevin Johnson he made a bunch of defensive errors. He just faced someone that couldn’t make him PAY for them because he’s facing #0 P4P ers……Floyd is setting the bar vs. World CHAMPS and Top 10 P4P ers.Posted July 2, 2013 3:44 pm
“When Floyd was 33 or 34 he was getting hit with loaded bombs from Mosley … a 2-point round easy so he was behind after 3.”——NOPE. He got hit with 2 loaded bombs in a 12 rd Fight vs. Floyd. WOW. And Floyd WON 2 of the first 3 rounds SO Floyd was only behind after 2.Posted July 2, 2013 3:37 pm
IF Floyd got hit with a LOT of hooks by Zab Judah then Zab got hit with STADIUMS of power punches to the body and FACE. In FACT he had to pull a low blow to prevent himself from being stopped. (guys that know Boxing know that some coaches will teach you to DO that since there’s you can’t call time out in Boxing. You find a way to make the ref call time out. You commit a foul or spit out your mouth piece.)Posted July 2, 2013 3:30 pm
Floyd might be at this best right now…
When he was 29 or 30 he was still leaning back and getting hit with a lot hooks from Zab Judah…who decked Floyd and zoomed off to an early lead after 3 rounds… When Floyd was 33 or 34 he was getting hit with loaded bombs from Mosley … a 2-point round easy so he was behind after 3. Floyd was still making defensive errors when he fought Cotto … and getting ripped with smooth, masterful jabs.. Floyd brought in his daddy and worked overtime on his defensive flaws and Guerrero didn’t catch him with a significant punch … making it the most boring fight Floyd has dished up in years.
I don’t think this is unusual for a guy to peak at 36. After all Hopkins did… Tarver did… Sergio did… Jofre did… Archie did… Vitali did… Wladimir did… Lewis did… Knowledge, experience, craft, and mastery are massive assets.
Canelo is only 22… If if he knocks Floyd stiff as a board, he won’t peak for another 12 or 13 years later, as far his his physical strength and over all boxing mastery has time to mature… Floyd has a slight edge here because of the experience gap.. Canelo is the better and stronger athlete.. But the first guy to beat Canelo might be Grennady Golovkin…
If Canelo KO’s Floyd, Grennady will probably knock Canelo out after giving him a boxing lesson… 380 amateur fights and only 5 losses are nothing to sneeze at.. I’ve never seen that accomplished before.Posted July 2, 2013 2:44 pm
Funny but if you ask Pacs manager he claims they have never agreed to the till the fight testing. But lets just assume he did. He was offered the biggest pay day of his life and he rejected it and made much less against Bradley and lost. The same argument you try to use when saying Marquez turned down a 5th fight for less money to fight Bradley. And why did it take so long to agree to the same test he is having Rios takePosted July 2, 2013 2:22 pm
Sredman, Floyd gets ranked whereever wants even though he retires when its convient to run away from the best in his class be it at 140, 147, 154, etc…Posted July 2, 2013 2:22 pm
Mayweather is giving up 3 or 4 more years in age than he got in his first title match against Gernaro Hernandez. Floyd was 21 and Gernara was 32.Posted July 2, 2013 1:57 pm
Canelo is giving floyd the same ammount of years of pro experience as floyd is giving canelo years of age. Plus canelo is a 22 year old kid. Let’s not act like sredmond and pretend this age difference is some huge benefit for caneloPosted July 2, 2013 1:45 pm
I don’t know that it suggests insecurity. I do think it indicates Floyd knows this is a more evenly matched bout than Cotto, who he had no problem fighting at the normal 154 lb limit.Posted July 2, 2013 1:31 pm
Okay, seems likea pack of dingo dogs has been following me, and have now attacked. Okay, lets get some things straight here. Yes I did pick Guerrero to beat Floyd Mayweather. I thought Floyd may have aged a bit, his inactivity coupled with Guerrero’s emotional and spiritual strengths may have allowed Guerrero to win. I was incorrect. Hey, no one is ever 100% right. I also didn’t anticipate Mayweather hitting, hugging, holding and sprinting away from a guy that moved up 2 weight divisions to fight him. Incredible how much fear Floyd has. And most of you are wrong about Guerrero. Robert is tough as nails and has skills. Don’t try and make his win over Berto something of a farce, which it wasn’t it. And trust me, Guerrero will beat most of the 147 pounders. I will go as far as saying he will win another championship. Finally, I will say that God has his hands in everything. So he didn’t allow Guerrero to win the fight, but I can guarantee you that something good came out of this for both Guerrero and Floyd. God works from on the inside of us. Any of you notice since the Floyd fight how much more calm, respectful and appreciative Floyd is. We’ll all find out just how sincere Floyd is or is he just a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing. I hope he now appreciates what God has given him.Posted July 2, 2013 1:28 pm
Did i ever hear Floyd consider the fight or ever even say the name Martinez NO. Floyd never called his bluff in fact it is always Floyds bluff being called. Example Pac agrees to testing up to the fight and Floyd disappears then comes back offering Pac a joke of a split 40mil. Again Floyd gives me a mil. of them.Posted July 2, 2013 1:02 pm
Exactly. And Martinez is saying he wants the big money fights Andy there are way more big money fights at 154 than 160. As for the catch weight issue. Yes Floyd is fighting at a catch weight. Do I agree with it? No because if you venture to another weight class then that’s what you get to fight. But the one thing here is Canelo called out Floyd, Floyd did not call out Canelo. So Canelo should come to him and Floyd agreed to come to him, plus it was Canelos camp that said 152. Not to mention he called him out at 150 a couple years ago. Cotto never called Pac out, Pac called Cotto and Margacheato out. That’s the difference. Pac should of fought them at there weight.Posted July 2, 2013 12:53 pm
Ha ha, Lampley states that Martinez is a JRMW, but doesn’t mention that Mayweather is barely a WW. On the same token, Martinez hasn’t weighed in at 154 in 4 and a half years. And Martinez himself has been in a few catchweights himself, because he didn’t want to go down to 154.Posted July 2, 2013 12:44 pm
Peej ckeck out last weeks fightgame on hbo where Lampley talks about how Martinez is a jmw fighting at mw and that’s why he gets dropped so much. Another example of Floyds bs he considered Cotto undefeated because Pac beat him at a catchweight so by that logic he can’t give Canelo a loss roth… Floyd gives me a million of them.Posted July 2, 2013 12:31 pm
This Sums Up My Feelings Exactly:
Hidalgo, a dog like you would be loathe to understand Mayweather NOT conceding every single thing to Canelo… He could have said “I’m the Boss of you want the bout make 147, instead he met the kid at 152 a negligible amount and let him have 14 years and plenty of mass fight night… It’s Floyd’s world and Canelo is LUCKY he’s being allowed to live on it for one night…After he is totally outspeed and dominated he can sit down with goons like yourself and start the process of churning out excuses… I know, I know Canelo is so weak right now he can barely stand LMAO!”Posted July 2, 2013 12:23 pm
Too bad Pac was afraid to take random test and Martinez can’t make 154 much less 150. Funny how Martinez manager said if Canelo wanted to fight it would have to be at 160 and not 154Posted July 2, 2013 12:19 pm
Floyd gets the respect and criticism he deserves. No one says he’s overhyped his talents are special but he’s a cherrypicker. He gets props for fighting Cotto finally albeit after Cotto was smashed by bricks. He gets props for fighting Canelo even though had the last fight not flopped hed be fighting Kahn. But the criticism is well deserved also ducking Pac with all his energy leaving the sport when ww was on fire avoiding Martinez at a catchweight of 150 etc. The guy doesn’t live up to his own hype so its his own fault. Smart guy though because Pac and Martinez smokes him with relative ease.Posted July 2, 2013 11:57 am
Everyone should just give Mayweather his due props! He is a great fighter and a student of the game. Stop looking or should I say trying to create the next great hype job to beat him. If Canelo fails (IMO he will) you guys will all come up with some ridiculous reason why this was not a fair fight baised on the catch weight or that Mayweather cherry-picked this opponent, blah blah blah. I am sick of this Mayweather has earned everyone’s respect on this board by his sheer boxing skills… Give it to him!!Posted July 2, 2013 11:30 am
when authar says “fighting in weight classes much lighter than their actual weights when they come into their fights” – that’s a fair point but the other side of the coin is these fighters are gambling by doing this,it might weaken them in one way or another,I see it as being a skill in itself, most fighters cant even do it and remain strong, except the few.Posted July 2, 2013 11:23 am
Some are really detached from the reality of physics, in regards to Mayweather.Posted July 2, 2013 11:20 am
Haimat – Wrong!! ANYTHING above 147 is considered Jr. Middleweight, the weights for the weight class are 147.1 – 154lbs.Posted July 2, 2013 11:18 am
If FM wanted he could rule from 135-154. He really could fight at 135 or 140.Posted July 2, 2013 11:01 am
You guys wont be happy until Floyd fight the Klitschko brothers. I mean cmon FM has been doing this for 17-18yrs and still no respect. I learned my lesson I made a bet and lost when FM blew away Chico, who was bigger stronger and wayyyy more talented than the Red head.Posted July 2, 2013 10:59 am
If Canelo is FMJ’s best possible and most dangerous logical opponent does that
means FMJ fought only bums ?????Posted July 2, 2013 10:49 am
How has Mayweather “been ranked at 154 for years” the guy had 2 fights there in 17 years that were 5 years apart.. His last bout was at 147 ALL honest fight fans know Floyds a WW who fought at 154 a couple of times…Canelos crazy rehydrations warranted concern if the kid can’t win being 17 or 20 pounds heavier then Shame on him…Posted July 2, 2013 10:30 am
Hecdog, would be happy if Floyd was 42 and Canelo was 27 that wild seem more appropriate to him… Since Pacquiao was rendered borderline irrelevant he’s gone CRAZY with grief and believes that the World will be more hospitable for PAC Man… Hecdog is a fanatic and nutcase who BORED us all to tears discussing how Guerrero was gonna take it to Floyd and when he was dominated he invented a NEW story… There are factions on this board (Bears, Hecdog and others) who just rewrite whenever the don’t like an outcome… It’s patheticPosted July 2, 2013 10:27 am
THE REAL AMERICAN OAK
It’s a control thing. He just wants to get in your head as soon as he can and stay there. It won’t happen with Saul. Limited English helps too.Posted July 2, 2013 10:23 am
Mayweather has been ranked at 154 for years so suddenly asking his opponants to weigh in at 152 is kinda rediculous. The rehydration of up to 172 pounds is what he should complain about. On the other hand look how Mayweather himself cheated Marquez in their catchweight fight?Posted July 2, 2013 10:19 am
Hidalgo, a dog like you would be loathe to understand Mayweather NOT conceding every single thing to Canelo… He could have said “I’m the Boss of you want the bout make 147, instead he met the kid at 152 a negligible amount and let him have 14 years and plenty of mass fight night… It’s Floyd’s world and Canelo is LUCKY he’s being allowed to live on it for one night…After he is totally outspeed and dominated he can sit down with goons like yourself and start the process of churning out excuses… I know, I know Canelo is so weak right now he can barely stand LMAO!Posted July 2, 2013 10:17 am
Hecdog…, You were the guy who said Guerrero was not only ready for Mayweather, but you said RG would beat Floyd so bad he would stop him.. I guess you thought Floyd was fighting his most appropriate opponent in Guerrero.. Boy do you get everything backwards.
Now you’re calling Canelo, “A young strong kid that many think has potential” and saying Mayweather has no business fighting him because he’s too inexperienced… LMAO because he’s a undefeated World Champion who’s been campaigning since 2005. He’s considered the best fighter in the world at 154. Floyd is much less a favorite here than he was over Guerrero because Canelo is bigger, stronger, faster, and a much better boxer and puncher. At the end of all his 3 WW fights Guerrero looked like he’d been mugged. Canelo looked like he just stepped out of a board meeting — after beating the man who whipped Cotto (Trout) while looking better after the fight than Floyd did.
When you’ve won as many World Championship fights as Canelo.. When you beat the number one rated fighter in your division: a slick, fast, undefeated, athletically gifted, 171-pound southpaw who is taller and rangier than you are… When you are unanimously considered Floyd’s best possible and most dangerous logical opponent… When you have the popularity, exposure, personality, and connections Canelo has … you’ve gone from the potential stage to the success stage. You’ve crossed that bridge. You deserve the fight—even if Hecdog thinks you’re some kind of an 8-round prelim fighter. Because that’s what your carping sounds like.Posted July 2, 2013 10:15 am
THE REAL AMERICAN OAK
Just say no to catch weights.Posted July 2, 2013 10:14 am
“The SUCKERS will think that the extra 1.5 pounds was the back breaker.” Then why did Floyd ask for the 152 lb. catchweight?Posted July 2, 2013 9:55 am
Hecdog, I also believe Floyd will win a disciplined, reasonably close UD in September. Floyd will try to use his footwork and pop shot Canelo just enough to win the rounds. He’ll try to do a Rigondeaux on Canelo.
Why do I have the urge to go out and buy some Corona?Posted July 2, 2013 9:19 am
152 is not jr. middleweight. It’s limbo-land.Posted July 2, 2013 9:14 am
Haimat, yes there is a difference in styles and strength/power, but Floyd has no other way to fight Canelo. As a matter of fact, he is going to be so leery of getting hit, he’s going to hold, hug and sprint rather than run. I’m pulling for Canelo to win, but I just can’t see how. If Floyd had the guts to fight once in awhile, yes, Canelo would have more than a chance to win, but he’s never going to change and unless they’re fighting inside a 10 foot ring, and Canelo has world class sprint speed, he’s going to have a difficult style beating him.-Posted July 2, 2013 9:12 am
I think “catchweight” was unheard of until recently. Conn was really only 167 when he fought for the heavy title though the media said otherwise. Jr. Middleweight should be just that (154 lbs.) like it says. Floyd gets it over the old timers with only having to go 12 rounds as well. But then again I guess 2 lbs. isn’t a whole lot but does 152 really mean “Jr. Middleweight?”Posted July 2, 2013 8:37 am
Oscars analysis of anything related to Mayweather is literally a JOKE he controlled all stipulations of his fight with Floyd and he faced Hopkins at a Catchweight… Blah Blah Blah Oscar..Posted July 2, 2013 8:02 am
If Floyd wants to fight at light middle then fight at light middle same with Pac man and anyone who wants to fight at catchweights, Roberto Duran fought and beat Barkley and Duran was smaller than Mayweather and Barkley bigger than Canelo this is what distinguishes great fighters like Floyd with the very best like Duran, they are not adverse to taking a risk.Posted July 2, 2013 7:49 am
Oscar is just chatting sh* t to hype up the fight, but it’s kinda true. Everyone seems to forget about Mayweather fighting Marquez weighing about 10-15 pounds heavier on the night. If Mayweather wants to fight at 154, it should be at 154. Otherwise stay at welterweight, surely? I don’t see why these articles make Mayweather sound vulnerable like he’s going to get bullied by Canelo. Mayweather is not vulnerable, he’s always in control of all his decisions and ‘risk’ taking.
Having said that, you have to give both fighters credit for making this fight happen. Regardless of 2 pounds here and there, this is great for boxing and I cannot wait to watch it!Posted July 2, 2013 7:29 am
Hecdog, there is a big difference between Canelo and Guerrero. Guerrero was nothing more than a top 5 welter who got lucky and got a fight against Floyd. He won his fights, mostly at the lower weights, by being the stronger harder fighter.
Nope. What shows insecurity is to keep mentioning the catchweight instead of just mentioning the Fight…..unless you’re taking my advice and will advertise the rematch as being at the FULL 154…..The problem IS that Canelo didn’t make the full 154 vs. Trout either. He only made 153.5…..The SUCKERS will think that the extra 1.5 pounds was the back breaker.Posted July 2, 2013 3:01 am
Press conferences are getting old as are the stare downs. Promoters , managers, hanger on’s are doing and saying the same old things. I know they’re trying to build this fight up and hype it to no end, but it’s getting old. The fight needs to get here fast. Reality says that Canelo lacks way too much of everything, and he’s about to fight Floyd Mayweather, best known for holding some kind of advantage over his opponents be it age, size, or one dimensional opposition, This fight is no different because he’s fighting a young strong kid that many think has potential, but that the problem. Mayweather has no business fighting a young inexperienced kid that has potential. Sure the Mexican and latino fans are getting all charged up, but it may end up one sided in the exact replica of Guerrero vs Mayweather. Floyd is going to hit, hold, hug and run. All this hype for the same type of boring fight as usual. The only hope is that Canelo can achieve what many people see as the next great Mexican fighter. If he does that on Sept 14, a new star has taken over boxing. I’m not sure what to think of Canelo. There’s just to many questions about him. We may have to suffer through another boring fight that never matched the hype. Floyd Mayweather might be unbeaten, but he is the most boring boxing champion in history.Posted July 2, 2013 2:41 am
Mayweather is insecure,next he’ll be wearing fish nets and a dreses,Oscar will have one for him to borrow,mayweather will school Alvarez and Oscar will have all the excuses to pull out of his handbag.Posted July 2, 2013 1:55 am
15th round KO
Hey !! DeLa Hoya !!! Remember yourself boiling down to 147 for PacMan ??? Got your ass busted and quit on your STOOL !!! Nice way to go out Tranny!! Going out on a WIN can probably validate your opinion now . Oscar needs to choose his words CAREFULLY before promoting fights IMO .Posted July 2, 2013 1:23 am
Olu G. Rotimi
Floyd does not have to fight at 154 which does not suit him. If Canelo wants the fight then he can come in at 152. 154 or 152 Canelo will get his arse. How anybody can call him the next coming of Salvador Sanchez defies reason and logicPosted July 2, 2013 12:58 am
De La Hoya is a moron. Mayweather took the fight with a guy who is going to enter ring a t 170. Oscar is trying to sell the fight but its gonna be just like every other Mayweather victims. Canelo might even get knocked outPosted July 2, 2013 12:43 am
there is an aura in canelo that floyd even tho he says its another day for him he’s starting to realize this kid is old school and floyd is realizing he’s old school the second comming of salvador sanchez and his name is canelo :)Posted July 2, 2013 12:30 am
Robert B. Bontar
Stop the Fight……….Stop the Fight…….Cancel it now…………….before FMJ gets knocked out. But then if he does, the excuse is in that Canelo is just too big. Just to big, a little short fire plug of a guy. A little short guy who is 170 lbs. A little short fat guy after re hydrating. But believe me, FMJ will come in mean and ripped for this fight. What! WTF?? No way man, no way.
Wow! Is this fight being over-hyped or what? It’s friggin’ July, the fight’s not til September, it’s Canelo and Mayweather–two guys who don’t need any introductions, yet this fight is being hyped harder than a cheap canned dog food.Posted July 1, 2013 11:24 pm
So… now its Canelo’s fault, right? Gezzz…Posted July 1, 2013 11:12 pm
Its just talk to hype up the fight. ( as if it needed more )Posted July 1, 2013 11:04 pm
Odh is a hypocrite. Knocking floyd but yet he did bhop the same way. If 2 lbs makes that much difference than canelo shouldnt be fight at 154! Dude weighs more than GGG and GGG is a middleweight. But even w that said floyd will still outbox him for 12 rds. But it wont be easy. Floyd will take some punishment en route to victory!Posted July 1, 2013 10:52 pm
Oscar coming across as butt-hurt as usual, the fact that he has to comment on his peers insecurity says rather more about himself. Either its ego or delusional, trying to feed the public his same old bs. Sure its promotion but you’d expect a bit more class coming from a leading promotional outfit. Albeit he’s just the face/spokesman of goldenboy but the sad irony is its quite visible he’s morphing more and more inro his good old friend mr bob arum..Posted July 1, 2013 10:51 pm
Didn’t Delahoya demand a 157lb catch weight vs Bernard Hopkins? even though Tito Trinidad did not demand any catch weight vs Hopkins?Posted July 1, 2013 10:46 pm
Hi, it me Ernie….Recover quickly brother we miss youPosted July 1, 2013 10:44 pm
ODH talked B-hop into coming down in weight on fight night B-hop went back up in weight and Knocked ODH cross dressing ass out. Talk about catch weight ODH was the king of catch weight. Only problem the smaller guys kept kicking ODH’s can.Posted July 1, 2013 10:41 pm
The Mad Scientist
Less talk is more OscarPosted July 1, 2013 10:36 pm
Oscar, not even hanging out with Canelo is going to make Mexicans love you.Posted July 1, 2013 10:32 pm
Sure — insecurity. You got it, Oscar.Posted July 1, 2013 10:23 pm