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TJ… Sorry.. This was not done in the Olympic Games of 2012… NO names of judges were flashed on the video screens… They have a system of button pushing… You see the boxer from the red corner score a good punch…you press the red button… You see the boxer from the blue corner score a good punch…you press the blue button.

Another judge has to press the same color button at the same time for the score to go up, to confirm the scoring punch… NO names go up on the scoreboard. Those judges could hide in their anonymity whether their button pushes sucked or not..

TARK… I did not say they flashed the names of the judges up between rounds at the London Olympics… what I wrote was tehy flashed teh scores up between rounds.

Yes, they discared the highest and lowest scores and then averaged out the rest of the scores of the remaining judges…

BUT, I could easily cheat or conspire with other jusdges to deliberately NOT push the button for BLUE, even though BLUE has just landed a 3 -4 punch salvo….

This happened at the EXCEL ARENA (great Arena for boxing) on several occassions, hence the fans were p*ssed off after the scores were flashed up on the screens after each round!!!

Hope that clears things up for you and reveals why I hate the idea of OPEN SCORING…

It is like watching THE SIXTH SENSE only to be told before each pivotal scene and plot point exactly what is going to happen BEFORE we see it!

A total letdown!

Posted July 11, 2013 7:26 am 


TARK

….. “pro wrestling” doesn’t have open scoring…

Rasslin is an act.. It’s not a sport.. The actors know who’s going to win.

Posted July 6, 2013 9:49 pm 


D Knuckles

Why is it, everytime Floyd has a fight u guys know what to do to beat him. Don’t u think the previous 44 fighters thought the samething. In life some people r just made to do certain things. Kobe,Lebron,MJ were made to play basketball. Floyd was put here to be a pure boxer. And he is the best at it.

Posted July 6, 2013 2:14 pm 


Hidalgo

“Every other Sport has open scoring and SO should Boxing.” MMA doesn’t. Neither does pro wrestling. So, you’re WRONG! Boxers will perform better and with more integrity with the scoring system left as it is.

Posted July 6, 2013 11:46 am 


TARK

I only had to watch it once because I can count.. Plus I know the impact of various punches and how much damage they’re doing.. The boxer who does the most accumulative damage wins the round.

It was a close fight, but Trout is a great boxer… He beat an ATG in Cotto, like he was his step daddy… Cotto never ripped Trout with his jab like he ripped Floyd.

Posted July 6, 2013 3:42 am 


PEEJ

Tark the problem is all those fighters really lost and nobody thought they won. There are plenty of people who thought Trout won. There may not be many people on here that do but that don’t mean much. There are people who thought he won when at the fight live and then watching it on TV thought Trout won. Look having Canelo win is not big deal if it was close. But if you score like the 2 judges did for the fight then that there is an issue. No way Canelo won by more than 2 rounds. And I still think Trout won. i watched the fight twice and had the same score card.

Posted July 6, 2013 3:13 am 


TARK

TJ… Sorry.. This was not done in the Olympic Games of 2012… NO names of judges were flashed on the video screens… They have a system of button pushing… You see the boxer from the red corner score a good punch…you press the red button… You see the boxer from the blue corner score a good punch…you press the blue button.

Another judge has to press the same color button at the same time for the score to go up, to confirm the scoring punch… NO names go up on the scoreboard. Those judges could hide in their anonymity whether their button pushes sucked or not..

Posted July 5, 2013 2:35 pm 


TJ

TJ…

Judging has sucked every since the Queesberry Rules were introduced… They were worse 50 and 60 years ago… If a judge’s name is flashed on the video screen along with their score…and this is done every round rather than every 4 rounds…everybody will know who the idiot judge is and judges would pay better attention to the action.

TARK:

This was done at the LONDON OLYMPICS 2012 and STILL we saw great fighters cheated out of wins!

I remember DUANE FORD score of 117-111 for Calzaghe vs Hopkins and former ref Stanley CHRISTODOULOU in a recent bout (last couple of months) scoring widely for someone that just beggered belief!

Posted July 5, 2013 7:49 am 


TARK

PEEJ….. ” Trout being gracious in defeat … What Trout did was pretty much unheard of.”

NOPE… Plenty of boxers have are gracious in defeat.. Pacquiao was vs Marquez… Mosley was vs Cotto… Chambers was vs Wladimir… Ron Lyle was vs Jerry Quarry… Tiger was vs Foster… Robinson was vs Maxim… Moore was vs Marciano… Louis was vs Schmeling… Dempsey was vs Tunney… Mitchell was vs Banks… Murray was vs Martinez…

Trout was another sportsman… He gave Canelo the high praise he deserved.

Posted July 4, 2013 9:58 pm 


dtoyS

Once Floyd start to feel the powerful punches of a NONE CHERRYPICKIN YOUNGER STRONGER BIGGER FASTER UNDEFEATED OPPONENT his speed body and soul will CRUMBLE for EVER.

Posted July 4, 2013 9:29 pm 


TARK

Most individual sports that require judges to evaluate a performance, like Diving, Figure Skating, and Gymnastics, have about 10 judges.. They all hold up their scorecards.. They throw out the high and low scores, add the rest and divide by the number of scores tabulated.

The judges who consistently come up with the high and low scores are weeded out.. They don’t last because they want competent judges.. The results are great because the judging is tight.. Everybody involved with these sports generally agrees the right winners were awarded the victories. Boxing is the only sport with so many disputed winners.

We should use a 3-point scoring system with the winner getting 3 and the loser getting 0, 1, or 2 points.. All these 10-9 rounds are ridiculous. You don’t deserve 9, or even 8 points if you were out-landed 20 to 5 in clean, effective punches landed and tagged with the harder shots. The scoring system we have invites lousy decisions, as does the way we select judges.

Posted July 4, 2013 9:11 pm 


TARK

TJ…

Judging has sucked every since the Queesberry Rules were introduced… They were worse 50 and 60 years ago… If a judge’s name is flashed on the video screen along with their score…and this is done every round rather than every 4 rounds…everybody will know who the idiot judge is and judges would pay better attention to the action.

There needs to be a better way to test and train judges than the way it’s being done.. People with great concentration, short term memory, intelligence, and eyesight need to get those slots.. We need to weed out bad judges and we never do.. Horrible judges that were around 30 years ago are still here … and still judging world championship fights.

Posted July 4, 2013 8:31 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Every other Sport has open scoring and SO should Boxing.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:55 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Canelo will have to neutralize Mayweather’s speed to win” – Ya think?

Posted July 4, 2013 3:03 pm 


TJ

TARK

“He had no reason in the world to do any leading after the 8th round.. He made Trout do most of the leading, which was smart … But if there were no open scoring he would have mixed his game up with a little more strategic offense from time to time because he couldn’t have just assumed he was way ahead … However I do like open scoring anyway.. The guy who’s too far behind can start hauling ass and get the KO.. At least he knows he needs a KO to win, where most fighters have no idea in the world.”

Serious question, TARK.

Do you not think it should be a fundamental part of hiring a good corner for them to be able to both READ and SCORE a fight, without having this OPEN SCORING SYSTEM????

Yes, knowing the judges score could help a fighter “haul ass,” as you say, but what happens when everyone in the world EXCEPT the THREE BLIND MICE score for fighter A only to find after 4 rounds and 8 rounds, these imbeciles have opted for Fighter B?????

It does happen and can prove to disheartened boxer A so much that he either gives up or gets KO’D trying to impress the unimpressible???

IMHO a good corner should be able to read THEIR fighter, read the OPPONENT and read how the bout is playing out…. They should also be able to MOTIVATE their fighter, get him to haul ass or to ease up a bit on the throttle and get him to win a bout in the most exciting way, without taking too much punishment – as at the end of the day NOT ONE OF US FANS have ever paid a boxer’s hospital or medical bills!!!!!

I personally hate OPEN SCORING in amateur or professional boxing…. I went to most of the session at the LONDON OLYMPICS (Great venue for boxing, but appalling judging) and at the end of each round for many of the bouts (MALE & FEMALE), us fans were left scratching our heads by the scoring and good boxers became reckless in trying to overhaul the points deficit erroneously awarded to their lucky opponents!

This was the one thing that marred the London and Beijing Olympic tournaments IMHO!!!!!

Some decisions were downright SHOCKING!!!

Posted July 4, 2013 1:44 pm 


brent

This chump has 42 fights… Why do people keep saying inexperienced?????making excuses for him already for when Floyd KO’s him… lol…

Posted July 4, 2013 11:36 am 


I see Good

Canelo won that fight with Trout. Dam TROUT een did a Micheal Jackson step in the 7th. ha ha ha Mayweather will LEARN a step or two from Canelo. ha ha ha

Posted July 4, 2013 3:24 am 


TARK

In a close fight

Posted July 4, 2013 3:08 am 


TARK

PEEJ.., Canelo did more damage with fewer punches.. He was economical, like GGG was against Macklin.. If the 2 judges who were favoring power and hurt over touches were more in line with the other judge — then Canelo probably would have gotten on his horse and unleashed a lot more punches to create more separation.

And if there were no open scoring that evening he would have felt compelled step on the gas after the knockdown, and try to take Trout out..
But he already knew he had the 7th round salted away, and took the rest of the round off.

He had no reason in the world to do any leading after the 8th round.. He made Trout do most of the leading, which was smart … But if there were no open scoring he would have mixed his game up with a little more strategic offense from time to time because he couldn’t have just assumed he was way ahead … However I do like open scoring anyway.. The guy who’s too far behind can start hauling ass and get the KO.. At least he knows he needs a KO to win, where most fighters have no idea in the world.

Posted July 4, 2013 3:05 am 


Proud African

Canelo will not be the same fighter again after the spanking by Mayweather.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:53 am 


Rapid

His words spoke volumes too!

Posted July 4, 2013 1:13 am 


Rapid

I wouldn’t say Trout was being Gracious.. I would say he was being HONEST!! Which doesn’t not happen much, if ever when a guy loses! Actions speak louder than any words. And in this case, Trouts actions after the fight speak volumes…. The better man won, Cannelo was slicker, and faster, and harder to hit then I thought! When a guy thinks he was robbed, or that he truly won the fight, you see him complain, and are whining to anyone that will listen post fight, Austin Trout did not do that!

Posted July 4, 2013 1:12 am 


PEEJ

Sorry but there are many people out there who think Trout won. Floyd said he only thought Trout lost because of a knockdown. And sorry but Trout being gracious in defeat so Canelo could have his moment was something short of amazing. Fighters these days don’t do that. They cry and whine about how they where robbed and how they want an immediate rematch. What Trout did was pretty much unheard of. Trout gave Canelo his just do. I have already read a couple and seen a couple interviews where he said he thought he won but the fight could of gone either way because that is how close it was. And he recognizes that but he has a problem with the 2 judges that had Canelo up by 4 to 6 rounds which was ridiculous. You didn’t hear Pac complaining at the end of the Bradley fight when it didn’t go his way. So are you saying that Pac really thought he lost?

Posted July 4, 2013 12:41 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

What Trout says about that fight now means NOTHING. What really matters is what Trout said in the ring when he was put on spot directly after the fight.

And Trout openly admitted that Canelo beat him when put on the spot, right after the fight. Canelo beat Trout and everyone knows it — except for PEEJ and one other guy. Period. Case closed.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:14 am 


PEEJ

Not with head movement. And you can think whatever about the fight. I felt Trout won by a round and with out the knockdown by 2 rounds. But what he said after in the post fight interview was him being gracious in defeat and not making it a spectical.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:37 pm 


TARK

It does mean something PEEJ…

It means that Trout was able to sustain an offense and land anything meaningful, even though he was desperate to do so.. The only reason he couldn’t attack effectively with his longer reach and taller height, is because Canelo was too elusive to allow that to happen.

And Canelo did make Trout pay several times with short right countering uppercuts that shook the Hell out of Trout.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:24 pm 


PEEJ

You took what I said out of context. Trout was being gracious, something boxers don’t do especially if they think they one. Read any interview with Trout now and he says he thought he won the fight. And all this Canelo wasn’t marked up really means nothing. After every Morales fight he looked way worse than his opponent, even when he won. So that means nothing

Posted July 3, 2013 10:02 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Not only…

Posted July 3, 2013 8:53 pm 


Anonymous

Yea the JAB is key!!! Good point. Canelo has to use his jab like Cotto.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:48 pm 


PEEJ

I just didn’t see all these great improvements made by Canelo against Trout. All he did was fight more defensively once he heard the score cards. Everybody says he improved his head movement. Yes a couple of times he stood there and moved back and fourth and made Trout miss. Did he make him pay? No he did not. And we have yet to see Canelo actually move his head while moving around the ring. That is where the real improvements would show. Not just standing there moving back and forth.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:32 pm 


Anonymous

Like Dela Hoya said, the jab is the key in this victory for Canelo. Cotto used it effectively. Forget studying Castillo, he should be studying how Cotto fought Floyd.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:13 pm 


TARK

Titopa…, I have Floyd in the fight.. He has the experience, the venue, and probably the officials will be kind to him — like the last ones were to Canelo… Also the weight issue being 152 is a big one.

I just think people who think this is going to be easy for Floyd are living in Zu Zu Land.. Especially when you study the interplay between Floyd, Cotto, Trout, and Canelo.

It’s not as if Floyd is unhittable, or Canelo can’t box, defend, or throw.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:10 pm 


Bigrubenn

Since when a boxer needs to fight the full 3 mins of the round to win it?

Posted July 3, 2013 7:55 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Yes… Canelo will be focusing on speed in training for this fight. That’s why I believe he will come in lighter at around 165lbs. But his speed, movement and defensive skills looked geat vs. Trout.

Even though FMJ has great speed, it will be harder to hit Canelo cleanly than he thinks. And Canelo’s power is underrated by most. If he can hit FMJ with the same type of shots that Cotto did… Floyd will get hurt and take a seat on the canvas. Just watch….

Posted July 3, 2013 7:53 pm 


PEEJ

And when have you ever seen Canello fight the full 3 minutes of any round? And that is the problem with him.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:36 pm 


Hecdog

Let me give you the blue print for Canelo to win. He must be in great, great shape, apply pressure and make Floyd fight for 12 rounds, use a stiff solid jab, work the body, arms and hip. Stay on top of him like Duran vs Leonard #1. Do not allow Floyd to rest. And punch in combination. Never throw one punch at a time and get countered. Get your track shoes on and run sprints over and over through your workouts. Use your huge Mexican fan base in the arena to win at all cost. Enforce your will. This is the blue print and it’s guaranteed.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:09 pm 


PEEJ

I orginally thought that about the Bradley-Pac fight. And I still think Pac won but in no way was he dominant in that fight. After watching it a second time, he wasn’t landing those punches I thought he was landing before. Even in the round where he looked to have had wobbled Bradley. He didn’t even land a punch, it was Bradley who had just rolled his ankle that gave him that wobbled looke when moving around. Plus Pac was only fighting for about 30 seconds to maybe a minute in each round and that is a good way for you to let the judges give it to the other guy. But I still think Pac won, just like I think Pac won the first 2 Marquez fights.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:06 pm 


Bigrubenn

Yes the scoring card on one of the judges or two of the judges werent that great but we all seen worse. What happened to Bradley- paquiao or Mosley-ODH 2 or even ODH-sturm

Posted July 3, 2013 6:57 pm 


PEEJ

I only stated he got wobbled by a lighter fighter in Jose Cotto. That’s what I was implying since people seem to think Floyd has no power. That was my only point to that. It’s a fight and your gonna get hit, even bleed. Yes Canelo won the fight. But don’t you find it odd that Canelo won his first 154lb title at 150 fighting someone who never fought or was ranked at 154, he couldn’t stop the guy neither. Yes he is the champ at 154 but he won that in a very close fight, one I felt he lost. But could of gone either way. Now all of a sudden his is this powerful trains I don’t think so

Posted July 3, 2013 6:56 pm 


PEEJ

Yes Trout did not dispute the decision. What did y’all want him to cry and rant like Paulie recently did or Oscar has done on a few occasions? I could care less how big or small of a group I’m part of for anything. And Trout was being gracious in the post fight interview. Something most fighters aren’t. If you read or listen to any interview after with Trout he states he thought he won the fight. Though he said it was a close fight and has no problem with Canelo getting the nod because it was a close fight. He just has a problem with 2 of the judges cards. And I agree with that. I thought he out worked Canelo. Angelo looked winded in a lot of the rounds. Even the round he knocked Trout down in Canelo lost the rest of that round. So that round could of easily been a 10/9 or a 9/9 round.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:52 pm 


Bigrubenn

Punch stats don’t lie on the trout fight jeeping in mind that canelo floored trout and people still believe trout won that fight. Also trout is hard to hit specially by an inexperience fighter like canelo. Good fight if u ask me

Posted July 3, 2013 6:48 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, Mayweather didn’t look that great v. DLH and had his nose bloodied by a ringworn, undersized, and Margarito-damaged Cotto. how does that factor into Mayweather’s fight-profile? and what does it tell us about his chances v. a young, prime, and undefeated Canelo?

Posted July 3, 2013 6:47 pm 


te tumbo

“. . . And also don’t forget he was wobbled by Jose Cotto” and Mayweather was buckled, TWICE, by Mosley; Martinez was DROPPED by Chavez Jr.; Lewis was KO’d by Rahman. Mayweather’s, Lewis’, Martinez’s, and Canelo’s response to being “wobbled” is what defines their greatness.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:45 pm 


te tumbo

PEEJ, i would like you to identify what Trout did better than Canelo in their fight and it can NOT be based on something Canelo didN’T do but rather something that Trout did better. you might also try and clarify Trout’s candid post-fight comment of “Shocked” when asked about his encounter v. Canelo. Thanks.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:41 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

PEEJ: You are one of 2 guys on ESB who thinks Trout won that fight and one of a very small group in the entire world. But you all have one important thing in common, and I don’t even need to say what that is.

Trout even openly admitted that Canelo beat him in the post-fight interview right after the fight. And Trout knows much better than you whether or not he got beat, trust me. He was the one taking those power shots and knows just how hard Canelo hits.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:39 pm 


PEEJ

And lets no put Canelo high on the power punch department. He has only fought 1 realy 154 pounder and that was Trout. I thought Trout won that fight. He has been fighting blown up 140 and 147 pounders his whole career and he doesn’t stop all of them. And also don’t forget he was wobbled by Jose Cotto

Posted July 3, 2013 6:34 pm 


PEEJ

I just watched the first 5 rounds of the first Castillo fight a week or so ago and I gave Floyd the first 5 rounds. I think I will finish the rest of the fight today. I really don’t think it was as close as I thought it was when I first watched it. But regardless I still had Floyd winning by a round back then and in the rematch he beat Castillo easily.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:33 pm 


Bigrubenn

The sweet science thing will go out the window once you get hit by one of those canelos punches all I’m saying

Posted July 3, 2013 6:23 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, until the Mayweathers (and Broner) actually do learn english, they should refrain from embarrassing proficient english speakers with their inarticulate and malaprop-ridden ebonics. or is that the “english” you would like Canelo to learn?

Posted July 3, 2013 6:23 pm 


te tumbo

“Mayweathers were boxers Uncle/Sr, so do you think maybe just maybe that’s why they speak that way”. NO. Margarito has taken Waaay more shots to the head than both Mayweather’s combined and his spanish is NOwhere Neeear as inarticulate or slurred as their english. the same is true for Chavez Sr., Morales, Barrera, and virtually every other spanish-speaking fighter i can think of. Btw, DLH’s and Tarver’s english is just as fine as their spanish. never mind stereotypes. the Mayweathers (and Jones Jr. and Mike Tyson and Broner) are glaring American realities and if they can’t learn english, why should Canelo ALso have to learn english in addition to his perfectly-fine spanish? sounds like a shameless double-standard to me.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:20 pm 


Titopa

Bigrubenn – You’re right, you can’t win a fight with only one punch…which sucks for Canelo, cause ONE punch is what he’ll have to look for cause that’s the only way he’ll win.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:19 pm 


Bigrubenn

Titopa
I’m not saying Floyd hasn’t progressed. Yes he is a very skilled fighter, but styles makes fights. A lot of times you can’t win fights with only one punch.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:12 pm 


Titopa

Bigrubenn – You mean the right that happened 11 years ago?? yeah, I remember that one, then I remember Floyd beating him EASILY in a rematch….so, you’re suggesting Floyd hasn’t progressed as a fighter?? Don’t bank on that, Floyd’s gotten MUCH, MUCH better since than, the Floyd of today would stop the Castillo of then.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:04 pm 


Titopa

TARK – When Canelo gets close, Floyd will just tie him up…he won’t back away, he’ll tie him up, the ref will break them and then Floyd will go back to doing what he does best, punching and landing at will from a safe distance..

Posted July 3, 2013 6:02 pm 


Titopa

TARK – I mean, if I win you do the same, Tark: Titopa is my hero.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:01 pm 


Bigrubenn

Remember the Jose Luis Castillo fight??

Posted July 3, 2013 6:01 pm 


Titopa

TARK – How about a name change bet?? Let’s do 4 months, if Canelo wins I’ll change my screen name to Titopa: Tark is my hero….if you win, I’ll do the same? BET??

Posted July 3, 2013 6:00 pm 


Titopa

Bigrubenn – Dude! You’re talking about Floyd Mayweather, he’s SEEN IT ALL!!! There is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING Canelo can try that will “surprise” Floyd, NOTHING…Canelo should be the one worrying, he’s gonna see MANY things he’s never seen as a professional, he’s going to have to LEARN on the job and learn fast cause Floyd is a scholar of boxing…he’s as savvy as they come.

Posted July 3, 2013 5:59 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd isn’t a hard puncher but neither is Lopez. Not at 147. But Floyd hits you with shots you don’t see or expect and those are the punches that hurt. Plus Floyd is a good body puncher and really good inside fighter and that’s what will hurt Canelo. Plus the punches Canelo throws and misses will also be a disservice to him

Posted July 3, 2013 5:58 pm 


Bigrubenn

@ toosalty
I don’t have anything against fm as a matter of fact he might take canelo to school. Can he?? Idk. Canelos punches seem to be strong and accurate if he can land those punches to the BODY at first ( where FM is more likely to get hit) then FM is going slowly focus more and more on his defense to the body throwing him out his game plan.

Posted July 3, 2013 5:56 pm 


TARK

Truth…, Canelo has faced plenty of punchers.. Josesito Lopez broke Ortiz’s jaw, and he can slam pretty hard—but Canelo walked right through him. Floyd isn’t a hard puncher though..

Floyd cannot escape close encounters with Canelo… Saul will cut off the ring so Floyd has nowhere to run… Floyd is a great grabber, but Canelo is strong enough to work an arm free. Referees like Robert Byrd or Lou Moret may order breaks when Canelo has one hand is free to punch. You’re allowed to punch with a free hand, but you often have to fight your opponent … and the referee.

For Wladimir-Brewster Byrd warned Wlad constantly, “No holding… No holding… No holding… Don’t lean on him… No pushing… Don’t do that…” Not once did Byrd warn Brewster for coming in with his head or ducking his head below the waist. It didn’t matter. Wladimir won the first 4 rounds easily—but with 90 seconds left in the 5th Wladimir was suddenly dead tired and ready to collapse. His punches had no snap and he could barely stand up.

Massive late money was bet on Brewster just before the fight—quickly moving the odds from 10:1 to 4:1. Jim Lampley noted this before the fight.

For Mayweather-Guerrero Byrd’s refereeing was epitomized with 2:12 left in the 3rd. Guerrero had his right free to punch but Byrd broke them.

Seconds later at 1:58 Guerrero had his left hand free to punch as Floyd held his right. Byrd screamed, “NO NO NO NO NO” and broke them again.”

Not that Floyd needed any help in that particular fight — but RG is a brawler and he had no shot in Hell.

Posted July 3, 2013 5:51 pm 


toosalty

Bigrubenn

Get Mad dude I like Canelo, I had to decide how I would rather hang with it would be Canelo all day over FM. FM might could show me a better time though. Canelo is desent at best thats it. I mean who has he beat, he lost the only against Trout that TEXAS gave him the win, we know why cmon dude get mad for what these dudes are Rich why do I need to get mad. Its an Opinion every body has one. I think Canelo is BLOWN UP MEDIA HYPE JOB.

Posted July 3, 2013 5:34 pm 


Bigrubenn

Yeah
Most of those fighters past their prime…

Posted July 3, 2013 5:28 pm 


Titopa

I’ve played this fight over and over in my head, I see no other outcome than Floyd’s superior hand speed, skills and ring intelligence being the MAJOR difference. He’s going to outsmart Canelo from the jump, Canelo’s NEVER seen anything close to the skills Mayweather possesses, I mean, Mayweather is LEAGUES above ANY fighter Canelo has faced, they’re incomparable…once Canelo sees the speed, he won’t know how to adjust cause he simply has NEVER been in the ring with a man this fast, plus, Floyd is as elusive as they come. I just don’t see this puppy (Canelo) being able to handle the big dog (Floyd).

Posted July 3, 2013 5:26 pm 


Bigrubenn

@ too salty

Take it easy i can tell u get mad because not all the people loves mw. Gotta give credit to who credit deserves. Young kid got talent we can’t denied that. Can he beat Floyd we don’t know

Posted July 3, 2013 5:24 pm 


toosalty

for the record the Mayweathers were boxers Uncle/Sr, so do you think maybe just maybe thats why they speak that way. Or your going to come up with some stero type that TV/media has led you to believe

Posted July 3, 2013 5:16 pm 


toosalty

te tumbo

1st off You answer your own question. WTF would they pretend not to speak English, JUST LIKE I SAID to please his hardcore mexican fans. For some strange reason thats the case. ASK ODH

Posted July 3, 2013 5:13 pm 


te tumbo

“pretending he dont speak english to please his fans yeah right”. you must be talking about Floyd Sr. or Uncle Raj? otherwise, WhyTF would a Mexican have to “pretend” he didn’t know english? besides, english proficiency isn’t necessary to count “dollah-dollah bills, y’all”.

Posted July 3, 2013 4:54 pm 


147pounder

All floyd fans are totally blind in believing their superhero can not be beaten….all the great boxers have falled at certain time of their carreers floyd its nothing but a but a human being who can fail ans make mistakes and on september 14the first mistake he makes canelo wil put him to sleep….so expect the rise of the new king and ruler of the 154 divicion.

Posted July 3, 2013 4:38 pm 


toosalty

I agree with the Writer, he is telling the truth.

Posted July 3, 2013 4:21 pm 


Anonymous

This guy writing these articles should get some pom-poms and act as his personal ringside cheerleader. This guy is nothing but a simple fanboy with the means of posting his favorable worthless opinions instead of writing unbias noteworthy insightful views of the fight.

Posted July 3, 2013 4:20 pm 


toosalty

147 pounder 1st off the red/head Chucky/Lucky Charm Canelo is more the one who looks like a clown dude, pretending he dont speak english to please his fans yeah right. This is a thinking mans game, Canelo only fight 1 WAY forward he is tailor made for FM.

Posted July 3, 2013 4:16 pm 


te tumbo

NEITHER DLH or Mayweather deserved the “W” for their bout but if i had to choose it would’ve been the reigning champion who wasn’t dominated or particularly defeated, i.e., DLH. MY boxing knowledge is irrefutable and so self-evident that i don’t even bother keeping track of my fight predictions. we can all just assume that i was Right regardless of which fighter actually prevailed.

Posted July 3, 2013 4:16 pm 


te tumbo

this blogger is pushing hard to be recognized as the most oblivious contributor to the ESB website. otherwise, Canelo’s domination of Trout was as thorough as Floyd’s domination of Guerrero. in fact, Trout conceded to being “shocked” and overwhelmed by the combination of offense, defense, and footwork that Canelo expertly delivered against him. also, Thanks to open scoring, Trout’s inability to turn the tide in a losing effort and Canelo’s ability to establish and maintain a healthy lead were revealed for the entire boxing public to lament or admire depending which fighter you were rooting for. moreover, Thanks to open scoring, the viewer didn’t have to wonder whether or not Trout was aware that he was behind. he and his entire corner knew, which provided an opportunity to see how Team Trout would adapt. their inability to do so confirmed Canelo’s status as the truly superior fighter. meanwhile, Mayweather is a slower fighter above 147lbs. relying primarily on his defense, ring-smarts, and natural strength for his two wins above 147lbs NOT speedy fists or elusive footwork. IMO, Mayweather’s experience will ultimately prevail in this matchup but Canelo has a solid shot to upset a diminished Mayweather not able to avoid being hit or effectively counter flush-shots by Canelo.

Posted July 3, 2013 4:05 pm 


toosalty

Man I just rewatch Floyd vs ODH. ODH may won only 1 or 2 Rds if that. I DONT EVER WANNA HEAR ANYONE THAT CLAIMS THEY KNOW BOXING COME ON HERE AND SAY THAT FIGHT WAS CLOSE. Canelo is slower and not as big as ODH was, what do yall think floyd is gonna to this kid. Canelo will not win a rd.

Posted July 3, 2013 3:56 pm 


Boxer

Wow Floyd mayweather jealous of 22 year old Canelo haha, talking about Canelo hasn’t headlined a ppv fight, again Floyd before you fought Oscar de la Hoya you weren’t the main attraction because if Floyd was the attraction I guarantee he wouldn’t be fighting Canelo caus it’s evident that Floyd does fight the best, when their past their prime

Posted July 3, 2013 3:44 pm 


toosalty

Its funny but there is no blue print on how to beat FM. If you notice what I notice that he never fights a fight the same way, leaving little room to study him and know his style. Look at the Cotto fight, he fought different and also used a right hook in that fight which is rarly used today. You cant study him because he fight all of his fights different, he changes his sytle just a bit in all of his fights. You never know which style he will employ. Canelo is going to be great but only great at being another hype Job be the media.

Posted July 3, 2013 3:35 pm 


Anonymous

I like how this article started with the word, INEXPERIENCED

Posted July 3, 2013 3:32 pm 


The Prince

And if Floyd sees that speed isn’t enough, he’ll use another tactic until he figures out Canelo and dominates from that round onward.

Posted July 3, 2013 3:29 pm 


toosalty

Tark

Didnt he show Head movement and defensive skills aww NO, if you wanna call that head movement and defensive skills.Lopez moved up 2 weight classes to fight Canelo too he moved from 140 to 147 for the VO fight, so your point might be moot as far as him dropping Lopez 2-3 times. What if Canelo fought him at 147 or 140 would it go the same way im not so sure. Your are right about a slick, fast, skilled Trout, and remove being biased from the equation you would know Trout won that fight, That fight went exactly like Nonito/Rig 2 week before hand and Rig won, but if that same fight would have been in Texas Rigo would probably have lost also.

Posted July 3, 2013 3:24 pm 


The Truth

@ TARK

“Didn’t Canelo just fight a slicker, faster, younger, bigger, undefeated southpaw??? Didn’t he come out clean as a whistle while barely getting hit with a hard punch??? Didn’t he showcase his defensive skills and head movement???”

Cinnamon gets hit A LOT, it’s just he never faces opponents that have devastating, or even bothersome power, so it’s never a visible factor. Also when he fires back, people tend to get amnesia about how often he gets hit. Skill wise, Josesito did very well, it’s just his body couldn’t take the onslaught and being so NATURALLY lighter smaller, his hands weren’t heavy enough. Trout is pillow fisted, but was by no means was he outclassed, and he landed, A LOT.

Posted July 3, 2013 3:22 pm 


murderman

Not happening! Floyd is too skilled, too intelligent, too experienced! Canelo will be game though but loses by ud. Floyd will pop shot n be on his bike all night! Forgot about the cotto fight. Floyd stood n traded w cotto. Floyd sr will not allow that i gaurantee it!

Posted July 3, 2013 3:11 pm 


Papo

I think is enough posting about Canelo-Floyd. The fight is still long ways from now and anything can happen by that time; including fake injuries.

Posted July 3, 2013 3:08 pm 


TARK

This pundit says.., “Canelo looked like a shorter, much poorer version of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.” WTF… Of all people to compare Saul unfavorably to.

Okay.. Just a poor version of Julio Cesar Chavez Jr…

What happened to the poor imitation of Victor Ortiz???

You couldn’t use that anymore? You were made aware both Canelo and Ortiz fought Josesito Lopez—with amazingly dissimilar performances and results?

So Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. is the new comparison… A fighter who can’t move his head… can’t slip punches… can’t defend… has no jab… has no straight right… and lost the first 11 rounds to a slick, fast, skilled, but aging southpaw. Hmmm…

Didn’t Canelo just fight a slicker, faster, younger, bigger, undefeated southpaw??? Didn’t he come out clean as a whistle while barely getting hit with a hard punch??? Didn’t he showcase his defensive skills and head movement??? … So where is the comparison with JCC Jr. valid???

What is it with this pundit???

Posted July 3, 2013 2:57 pm 


Anonymous

Sure it will, Alvarez has the smarts and the youth to do it.

Posted July 3, 2013 2:54 pm 


Titopa

Um! yeah….AIN’T happening!

Posted July 3, 2013 2:11 pm 



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