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SREDMOND

Dawson has had about 15 cornermen his problem is his mentality the guy is talented, fast and athletic but he lacks fire and only has a couple of gears while in the ring….Ward was a FAR more determined fighter with a TON of talent to boot, Dawsons talent, speed and length were not enough as they have been against lessor foes and old men… I had slated Dawson to be the first to stop Hopkins but AGAIN I saw the same passivity and lack of killer instinct… The game has caught up to Chad and where he goes from here is anyones guess…

Posted September 10, 2012 2:01 pm

ChewTheDirt

This completely unexpected TKO decision was sure to send waves through the boxing community. I came across this great article that recapped the fight perfectly. http://www.chewthedirt.com/ward-dominates-dawson-finishes-10th-tko/. Boxing needs more fights like this, hoping the Chavez-Martinez can live up to the hype too!

Posted September 10, 2012 11:00 am

Hidalgo

This wasn’t a catchweight fight. It was a super middleweight fight. Dawson/Ward weighed in at 168 pounds. Full super middleweight fight. What you talkin’ about?

Posted September 9, 2012 9:58 pm

love-the-sport

OK … you’re right. I am totally wrong. That is why Ward can attract — what maybe 8,000 people to a fight. Why is that? Explain to me why nobody wants to come watch Andre Ward fight. Explain to me why Andre Ward has ZERO value in terms of pay-per-view. Explain it to me. Because maybe I don’t know what boxing fans think is exciting.

Posted September 9, 2012 6:51 pm

Ike

Hopkins and Hatton will be in the Boxing Hall of Fame as soon as they’re eligible.

Posted September 9, 2012 5:01 pm

hake

Hey everybody Peej wants you all to know that he picked Andre to win. Peej wants respect from all of you. So when you see him post “say oh you are so brillant picking Andre to win” Peej needs that from all of you.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:00 pm

Koolz

na Wald has mastered his hitting range well.

No I still think Golovkin would KO Ward. He hits to hard. if he got in the inside anywhere he would knock ward down to the canvas. Good fight for Ward against Dawson but Dawson was just in the wrong weight class.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:55 pm

me

Dawson told the ref ya I quit that’s how frustrated ward had him. fight of the night was maytesse v ajose great fight

Posted September 9, 2012 2:54 pm

B Red

Good

Posted September 9, 2012 1:50 pm

M. Mendoza

Golovkin would be shut out by Ward and possibly stopped. There is just no way that Golovkin has the boxing skills to stay away from Ward’s “inside mauling” technique. It’s also practically impossible to outbox or hurt Ward from the outside because he knows how to close in the distance and can jab his way in or out. Haven’t seen too many boxers who master their “hitting range” as much as Ward or Mayweather. Not the end of the world for Golovkin who still has lots of other winning possibilities in his weight division.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:12 pm

LVboxing

What a load of dung! Froch claimed he was dirty. Listen to what you just said! You said: ” Hopkins and Ricky Hatton made successful careers off of holding & hitting.” You don’t find a logical inconsistency in this line of thinking!? A successful career off of holding and hitting? Wow. I rest my case.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:12 pm

Gonzo The Dragonborn

Where are the rest of the comments? I made some outstanding posts in this thread and they’ve gone?? :?:

Posted September 9, 2012 1:04 pm

te tumbo

simply masterful performance and win for Ward. he successfully and decisively defends his 168lb turf from the challenge of the 175lb champion. Ward may have just topped his recent accomplishment of sweeping his own talent-laden division clean of All rivals(?!). this was the equivalent of Mayweather’s demolition of Corralles and just as portentious. Ward is already a complete fighter who can’t help but get even better. everything else is academic. an additional 7lbs would not have spared Dawson the primetime beating he received from Ward last night.

Posted September 9, 2012 11:54 am

te tumbo

simply masterful performance and win for Ward. he successfully and decisively defends his 168lb turf from the challenge of the 175lb champion. this win is the equivalent of Mayweather’s demolition of Corralles and just as portentious. Ward may have just topped his recent accomplishment of sweeping his own talent-laden division clean of All rivals(?!). everything else is academic. Ward defeats Dawson at Any weight and i believe that even Dawson Knows-It.

Posted September 9, 2012 11:51 am

prof konje

Everyone has an opinion-some very good, some very stupid. No matter what anyone has to say there are two facts: Dawson, by his own admission said after the fight that weight was not a problem-that Ward was that good. Second, Dawson himself told the ref that he didn’t want to continue. If I were Dawson, I would get a new corner. That jackass Sculley kept telling Dawson that he needed to win but failed to give him advice on HOW to win! Besides, as a fighter, Sculley wasn’t that good so let’s remember that. Did someone mention that Golovkin would give Ward trouble? That person is delusional and knows nothing about boxing.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:42 am

srminimo

What is it exactly that you love about the sport? You find one of the most skilled fighters in the sport boring, you think what is probably a defining fight of this next crop of up and coming fighters not good for the sport… Sure, it wasn’t Leonard vs Hearns, but only because Dawson never rose to the occasion, Ward cartoony did his part.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:39 am

Ike

I am shocked by those of you who are criticizing Ward. The guy had a great performance last night versus a very good opponent AND Ward scored three knockdowns on the way to the TKO. What else do you want?

Posted September 9, 2012 9:58 am

Ike

????? What makes you think that?

Posted September 9, 2012 9:39 am

Ike

Ward is a little bit of a dirty fighter, but who cares?! Bernard Hopkins and Ricky Hatton made successful careers off of holding & hitting. And Ward does not hold nearly as much as them. Froch and Dawson both lost dominant decisions to Ward, yet neither claimed afterwards that he was dirty. That’s good enough for me.

Posted September 9, 2012 9:25 am

Ike

Saying a fighter is overrated is not the same as that fighter actually being overrated. You need some sort of proof. Dawson is widely considered the best fighter at Light Heavyweight. Most publications and websites have him ranked 1st at 175 lbs. No one is saying that Dawson is P4P top ten fighter, but being the top fighter in your weight class (or no worse than 2nd) is pretty damn good.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:59 am

Koolz

I really think after seeing Ward fight that Golovkin would destroy him.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:48 am

Ike

The super middleweight is generally regarded as the one of the best divisions in boxing by expert/magazine on the planet. Which divisions are better? In no particular order: junior middleweight, jr. welterweight, and featherweight? The fighters in the middleweight division aren’t nearly as accomplished as those at super middleweight. So the 168 lb division is (at worst) of the 4th or 5th best division of the 17 division pro boxing. I would say it’s the 3rd best, but whatever. How is it overrated? Again, even if it’s the 5th best division, it’d be 5th out of 17, which pretty F’n good.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:43 am

love-the-sport

There may be guys commenting on this board who are real fighters and real trainers — so maybe you guys know better — but in my opinion, Dawson has several really bad habits. I am not sure but I think he turns his head the wrong way. As a left-hander Dawson’s chin should be buried into his right shoulder. But Dawson turns his chin the other way, he has no support for his chin and he gets caught and he gets hurt. It looks to me like a technically really, really bad habit that he does in every fight. He has good speed and good reflexes so it actually doesn’t happen that often where he gets hit and hurt. But it happened last night against Ward. And he kept doing it. In my mind, Dawson was out-on-his-feet after the first knockdown in the 3rd round and that was the fight. Game over. The fact that he kept going was admirable. The fact that he quit was not. I didn’t think it was a great fight. I didn’t think it was good for boxing. Ward was mentally tougher, smarter, and technically better. Skills pay the bills. Ward has more skills. But I still think Ward is a boring fighter to watch. Among technical specialists, watching Ward is not the same as watching Mayweather. Sleeper. Even in a great performance there is not much to see watching Ward.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:43 am

Edgar Guevara

I give Ward credit, I watched the fight to the second round nothing but grabbing. I turned the TV offf, after the fight was over, I watched the playback after. I eTched the entire fight. No doubt Ward is a good fighter dominant, courageous, motivate, discipline, fighter, unique style of fighting, not boxing. Unbelievable talent. Finally I am convinced now after 26 fights.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:38 am

Frochy

Haha. He should move up in weight then. Otherwise he’ll get an even bigger beating next March againt Froch who’s never out of shape. True athlete.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:32 am

Frochy

Froch would have Ward in a heart beat. It’s just the fact that yet again it will be Froch that has to travel that bugs him. How many more times does Froch have to travel for a World title fight even though he his/has been champion? How many times has Ward travelled(used his passport if he has one) to win/defend a World title? This is why Ward will not get full recognition from all fans of this great sport. Even Bute put his title on the line and travelled to Nottingham. That gets way more respect for me because he went out his comfort zone.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:30 am

Frochy

But we all now he won’t do that because there’s a risk involved in doing so. Ward don’t take risks. He’s had it all in his own favour for the whole super 6 then the Dawson fight. Take some risks Ward and you’ll earn more fans through respect.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:22 am

Marcus

Don’t like catch weight fights. Back when there were less divisions fighters routinely moved from 147 to 160, 160 to 175 etc.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:05 am

Hidalgo

I thought Ward put on a masterful performance. Neither Dawson nor his corner had an answer for Ward’s superior speed, ring i.q. and boxing skills (yeah I said in another thread that Dawson was a better boxer, but I was wrong). Ward had Dawson discouraged and ready to accept defeat by the end of the fifth round. You could see it in Dawson’s eyes. Ward kicked Dawson’s ass and that’s that.

Posted September 9, 2012 7:53 am

Hidalgo

I’m still trying to figure out what Molina’s problem was. Max Kellerman was right though. The ref should have called a knockdown before stopping the fight. Still can’t believe Molina got rocked so badly by a straight left.

Posted September 9, 2012 7:48 am

tarmy

To author your journalism is pure unadulterated garbage. I have people I know who are amatures and your stuff is way worse than theirs ever could be

Posted September 9, 2012 6:31 am

LVboxing

Ahhhh…No. I’m a “hater” because I think it’s ridiculous that Ward is in the conversation for best P4P? OK. The word “hater” died about five years ago. Funny how you didn’t dispute my charge that the super middleweights are overrated. Funny how you didn’t mention the fact that Dawson is overrated and he had to come down one division. Funny how you didn’t dispute my charge (and observations) of how he’s a dirty fighter. Look, I’ve seen Ward fight for a long time. He’s never impressed me. I forgot the name of that guy who whooped his ass at 160 and knocked him down in the fight, but the judges gave Ward the fight (six rounder). After that fight, Ward began fighting dirty. This guy actually practices leaning and pushing people down as a part of his training. That’s disgraceful. I could care less about Ward. I care that his dirty tactics are allowed, and go unpunished. Refs are now afraid of deducting points because they believe that promoters (who really control boxing, not the commissions) will not allow them to officiate future events. Sounds a lot like politics to me. So give you’re money to Ward and his handlers. I won’t give them mine.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:55 am

LikeISeeIt

Dawson should challenge Ward at 175. I still think Ward would win, but it would be a much closer fight. Dawson didn’t have anything at 168… Ward is not a big puncher and all of a sudden Dawson goes down three times…. big mistake by Dawson for giving Ward the weight advantage….

Posted September 9, 2012 3:37 am

Bill Patrice Jones

I thought Dawson would lose because of the weight, but I didn’t envision he would be so unbelievably removed from his own abilities because of it. The guy looked ill at ease just moving around the ring in the first two rounds. As soon as I saw him at the weigh in I thought he didn’t look at all like his normal self. I can’t understand for the life of me why he took this fight, it has ruined what could have been another 4 years at the top. The fight would have made PERFECT sense at 175, and Ward would still have probably won. However that is the natural order of things in boxing. The p4p best tend to gradually move up divisions and become multi weight world champs. It would have been an infinitely better achievment for Ward, and also a proper entertaining fight between two of the world’s best. No one is telling me that Dawson is a class below Froch, because he looked 3 classes below him last night. The weight, which everyone rightly harked on about beforehand, ruined this so called super fight. Dawson was as lean and as ripped as any fighter in the game at 175, it’s 110percent HIS WEIGHT CLASS. He lost everything last night, sad to watch.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:25 am

Mix

:roll: Could Frank Warren be persuaded to put the winner of Burns/Mitchell in with Tony DeMarco :?:

Posted September 9, 2012 3:14 am

Ike

Wow, Hater Alert! Give a little credit where credit is due. Ward won the two-year super middleweight (dominating Froch in the finals). And now he just annihilated the Ring Magazine light heavyweight champion. Dawson is one of THE best defensive fighters in the all of boxing and Ward beat him up and finished him with a KO. If that doesn’t get you in the P4P conversation, what does? Who does he have to beat at 168 or 175? I bet it wouldn’t matter because you’d find something wrong. No matter, S.O.G. is a beast and a legitimate top 5 P4P fighter.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:45 am

hecdog

First off, Nick Canon is a worthless piece of crap as an announcer. What idiot let this fool almost ruin this highly anticipated fight. Canon embarrassed himself. Secondly, Dawson had nothing due to the weight loss. I knew he wouldn’t have anything. He didn’t make excuses because he’s a true champion, but he fought for a good payday, but he was handicapped from the start, and it showed. Let’s see Ward fight him at 175, and you’ll see a different fight and outcome. Ward didn’t want a catch weight because he knew Dawson would be much stronger, so he chose to do the smart thing and drain him. Ward is good, fast and skilled, but dirty. Bute and Froch I think could beat Ward. Let’s see Ward himself drop down to 160 and fight a few top fighters, and see how the weight drop affects him. And Molina CHOKED! He froze on HBO, and embarrassed himself. Broner will destroy Demarco easily. You may not thinkso, but I’m telling you now, he will stop and brutally beat Demarco up, and I can’t stand Broner, but he is a special fighter, and will become an all time great!

Posted September 9, 2012 2:44 am

JpL

S O G

Posted September 9, 2012 2:02 am

HHLondon

Chito,

You’re the sought of “fan” that I revile in this game!

Bute was “drained” against Froch?

They’re both 168lb fighters you soppy clown!

Go and stand in the corner and put your finger over your lips before I smack your bottom!

Posted September 9, 2012 1:45 am

james

okay i cant lie, i fell alseep in the third

Posted September 9, 2012 1:44 am

kenneth lloyd

Chavez vs Ward is next.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:39 am

Edgar Guevara

Nick Cannon was phony. Martinez wants Ward.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:38 am

LVboxing

Is this what boxing has turned into? Ward is being mentioned as P4P THE BEST in the world!? This guy is one of the dirtiest fighters I have EVER seen. He never fights from the outside so he gets in close quarters to HOLD, HIT BEHIND THE HEAD, LEAN DOWN ON HIS OPPONENT (I wonder if that’s why he focuses so much on his shoulder and back muscles?), HE USES HIS HEAD (wonder why Dawson was cut tonight) and eventually wears down his opposition! He’s done this with an overrated bunch at super middleweight…then makes Dawson come down (Ward would not fight at a catch weight) to fight along with refs that will NEVER enforce the rules and deduct points off of Ward! I wonder why Ward’s people have chosen Steve Smoger for his last two fights? Because Smoger will NEVER deduct a point. This is why people are saying boxing is dead. Marquez and Pacquiao won’t be here much longer folks. I would never pay to see Ward fight.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:36 am

Edgar Guevara

Nick Cannon was phony.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:35 am

Tomato Can

Cause we both know, as good as Carl is, he’s just not good enough to beat Ward.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:29 am

Tomato Can

KMSTR, I kind of agree. It does show how good Froch is, but it also shows that, he’s not as good as Ward. Which should be the main subject, rather than beating around the bush at how he’s a supposably dirty fighter. The fact is, Hopkins, is a HOF lock, and Ward is well on his way to being a HOF lock as well. Fighters like ward, have a way of bringing former champions out of retirement. Is 40 too old for Calzage to attempt a comeback to get an ass kicking?

Posted September 9, 2012 1:29 am

KMSTR

Shows how good Carl Froch is IMO. Winner of Chavez/Martinez will probably want nothing to do with Ward, which is a shame. Can’t blame them though. Fighters will literally hang down or hang up to avoid Ward now – he was just that dominant. Yes, it’s Bernard Hopkins II but out of Oakland instead of Philly…

Posted September 9, 2012 1:12 am

chitownfightfan

Sorry Tark, but Bute was drained vs Froch. He wont be making that mistake again. A healthy and focused BUte is still 10X the fighter Ward could ever be.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:12 am

chitownfightfan

wow……ward battered a guy with no legs and no power. Im impressed. Lets see him fight a 168lbr or better yet, go up to LHW and have Dawson return the favor.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:11 am

Tomato Can

Ward would out smart Bute, just like he has every other fighter he’s been in the ring with. A Bute fight would be another easy fight for Ward, but does that mean it shouldn’t happen? People were begging for it before the Froch/Bute fight.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:06 am

TARK

Bute would be destroyed by Ward… Froch is the best challenger at the weight and just doesn’t have the boxing skills.. I actually think the best fighters to challenge Ward are at middleweight: GGG and Martinez. There are no outstanding light heavyweights right now.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:04 am

Anonymous

You see the true heart of a fighter when he is under duress or is getting hurt. Victor Ortiz, Chad Dawson and others are not willing to lay everything on the line and go out on their sword. A punchers chance from world champs we expected more.Chad came in to compete but layed down when it was time to step up.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:04 am

B Red

I dont think you should rush dirrel with Ward yet, make triple G step up to the plate and catch a whippin

Posted September 9, 2012 1:03 am

HHLondon

Ward is and was a different animal to anything we saw in the Super-6!

He now believes in himself having beaten the best that’s there at 168lbs!

Not sure I saw Ward do anything “expected” of him other than beat a naturally bigger man down and not just a bum!

Posted September 9, 2012 1:02 am

Anonymous

Dawson has always been a fighter who took rounds off and was too cautious.Against ward who was willing to go for broke he lost almost every round and was exposed big ups to ward.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:58 am

HHLondon

BigHead,

There’s two fights there at 168lb come to think about!

Unfortunately, Froch doesn’t want any of Ward a 2nd time.

Which leaves, Bute dancing and running from Froch in Montreal and nicking the belt back in a decision, then the unification with Ward?

Posted September 9, 2012 12:57 am

TARK

Yes…. I would go for Ward vs GGG.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:57 am

TARK

Wow… Toughest fight to date for Ward? How about easiest fight in years? Dawson won the 1st round and I was already concerned Ward would dominate because Dawson couldn’t land any jabs. He had no crack or pop on his jab and looked worse than he did against Pascal, where he really looked like an elephant pulling a load of pig iron through quicksand. His feet were glued to the floor again. I will say that Dawson beat Hopkins by a much wider margin than Calzaghe did. The fact that Ward completely dominated Chad in every aspect of boxing was shocking … I predicted it would be 117-111 Ward but it was a total disaster for Dawson. I think he should seriously consider whether he wants to continue his career if he doesn’t get back on track in his next fight. He’s looked bad lately against any fighter not named Hopkins.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:55 am

FenoM

GGG . GGG . GGG . GGG .

Posted September 9, 2012 12:55 am

Tomato Can

You can’t blame Dawson for rolling the dice and trying to gain notoriety by beating the biggest name in the spot, within his reach. But damn, to lose that one by such a far margin has to be a big downer for his career.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:54 am

HHLondon

Big Head,

Bute has the blueprint printed on his head!

Froch battered him, so there’s no milage in Ward/Bute!

It’s subjective perhaps to Yanks and British Serfs!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:53 am

HHLondon

I’d rather see Ward fight Froch in his backyard than I would Froch fight Kessler again!

Don’t think the result would be any different, but another loss for Froch by Ward will give him more solace than a win against Kessler will!

Froch’s man enough to accept two from Ward than a leveller against Kessler!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:49 am

Tomato Can

Froch fans would love to see Ward beat him in Nottingham. Ward wouldn’t have a problem doing just that, and he could beat Kessler in his homeland as well, even easier.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:47 am

big head

unless bute come back and beat froch in the rematch then that make people want to see bute fight ward

Posted September 9, 2012 12:47 am

B Red

Hahahaa

Posted September 9, 2012 12:45 am

HHLondon

Al, In my opinion Dawson stepped up to the hottest name/P4P fighter in the modern game today!

Fair play to him tonight and it took balls doing what he did!

175lbs is a bit of a card trick at the moment, like the 140lbs division was 18months ago.

Bit of a let down and I respect both these boys getting it on for the fans!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:44 am

Edgar Guevara

DeMarco Broner

Posted September 9, 2012 12:44 am

big head

the fight for ward at 168 would be andre dirrel but dirrell havent done anything or fought yet he suppose to fight in november

Posted September 9, 2012 12:43 am

B Red

:mrgreen:

Posted September 9, 2012 12:41 am

big head

it dnt matter what weight ward would still beat dawson ward just the better fighter and smarter fighter what would dawson do so different at 175 that he didn do at 168 i think if ward move to 175 he going to be stronger proably hit a lil more harder

Posted September 9, 2012 12:38 am

TG3

Although you’re a hater, you’v got good points! Nevertheless, maybe not by knockout, but Ward beats Dawson at ANY weight class! Thats hard for you to deal with, perhaps you need therapy. As bad as Jean Pascal may be mentally. he beat Dawson with pure speed and aggression. And before you go blaming Headbutts on Ward again, it happened in the Pascal fight as well. Dawson is a slick skilled efficient boxer, but he goes into autopilot (relies on his skills without much adjustments, especially against brawlers) with mediocre speed in ALL his fights! As slick as Dawson is, when fighting, many times – in spurts, has ‘lethargic heavyweight out of shape’ type body language….which translates into him getting tagged…more than he should. Ward IS the better man! He fights well on the outside and just as good on the inside – with exceptional speed! He’s the only fighter that exists now that changes his stance from orthodox to southpaw in an attempt to confuse opponents! I know these FACTS are hard for you to cope with. Hopefully your hate will subside and you’ll eventually appreciate the truth! Maybe someone will come along and beat your object of hate, but i think it’ll be a long time before something like that happens. Why? Ward is the consummate professional! You’ll be OK….seek help.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:37 am

B Red

yeah he can beat up Froch in his own turf

Posted September 9, 2012 12:37 am

B Red

yep

Posted September 9, 2012 12:32 am

Pete

Wouldn’t that be sidestepping for Ward if he fights Froch, he has already beat him. Does he need to beat him again. Ward has beat everyone in the super middleweight division.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:30 am

big head

i was so wrong of picking molina to beat demarco and he got blow out in the first round well that boxing for you credit to demarco tho now him and adrien broner should fight now

Posted September 9, 2012 12:30 am

B Red

Tell triple G to step up now and take that brutal beating

Posted September 9, 2012 12:29 am

Tomato Can

To be fair to Dawson, he’s a 175lb fighter. But at the same time, you can’t take away from the way Dawson was beat tonight. Ward, out smarted him big time, it was a classic clinic where the professor schooled the student. Dawson was reduced into a hope a catch you with my next punch fighter. His jab was nullified, his right hook was nullified, his straight right was nullified, and he was beat from pillar to post.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:28 am

JoelMTL

agreed London. From the moment the fight was signed this was nothing but refreshing. Good for both men. Someone had to lose and the were both willing to put it on the line. I’d happily boycott Mayweather and Pacquiao fights (when they’re not fighting eachother) in favour of real fights like this. It’s great for the sport! I’m a happy fan tonight even though the guy I was rooting for got beat … embarrassed really

Posted September 9, 2012 12:28 am

Big Al

not taking anything away from ward, because i think dawson calls his own shots, not his promoter but he was ill-advised to engage in so many fights with older guys. you could say he brought his level of competition down a bit. future hall of famers, sure, but my good guess is that young, strong guys will have their way with dawson, like pascal, dawson, shumenov, cloud, etc. and as for ward, now he’s got a nice little scalp to add to his resume.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:28 am

tarmy

Shut the hell up you loser.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:25 am

B Red

ya dig
:mrgreen:

Posted September 9, 2012 12:25 am

SamTheLion

Man, you are like one of the Japanese dudes on an island who doesn’t know the war is over and you lost. Put down the crack pipe, bro.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:24 am

JoelMTL

I agree with you to an extent, but the guys Dawson fought were at the top of the division, so at least he was n’t trying to cherry pick easy old name opponents to beat (I’m talking to you Canelo). He was trying to stamp himself as number one at 175 … which he did. In any case I thought the same thing when he lost to Pascal. Athletic speed and aggression (which the younger top guys obviously have in more abundance) are clearly the keys to beat Dawson … decisively

Posted September 9, 2012 12:23 am

Tomato Can

yup

Posted September 9, 2012 12:21 am

HHLondon

Big Al, Why even make the comparison when Dawson isn’t a 168lb fighter?

It was a decent fight between two live fighters at the top of their games who accepted a dual!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:19 am

B Red

Ward can control the 168 division for along time. Let the triple G , Chavez and Froch geat beatdown , ya dig

Posted September 9, 2012 12:19 am

JoelMTL

… and landed almost none! For a guy that often lands at almost 50%, that gotta hoit

Posted September 9, 2012 12:17 am

Tomato Can

That would be overly generous to Froch, and I still don’t think it would matter at all.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:17 am

Tomato Can

The problem is, there’s no reason for Ward to leave 168, until it becomes a problem for him to make. He seems to be very comfortable at his current weight. I say bring on Froch in Nottingham, at 168.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:16 am

Big Al

I think I’m more surprised at Dawson than for Ward. After spending so many years fighting old guys, Dawson really took his career back. He was so used to being the fastest, sharpest guy in the ring. Sorry, but 6 fights with hopkins, johnson and tarver does not prep you for someone like Ward. I’m sure any of the original super6 would decision or tko Dawson.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:15 am

Pete

Not sure to be honest, Some fighters can some fighters can not. There will be alot more money down there for him then going up.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:15 am

B Red

number 3 ranked

Posted September 9, 2012 12:12 am

Tomato Can

Yeah this was a hard loss for Dawson. I think he’ll be okay against some, but he’ll probably fall short in any big fight, from here on out. He took a lot of punches tonight.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:11 am

B Red

Bradley will whip Pac in the rematch thats why i have him number

Posted September 9, 2012 12:10 am

HHLondon

Pete, You think Ward could make 160?

It’s a lot of weight, just ask Chad!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:09 am

mikey

Do you really think Gonzo can communicate without using curse words? Remember you mentioned his level of education!! I guess he might curse you out for politely him a good advice. The best way to help him is just ignore him

Posted September 9, 2012 12:09 am

JoelMTL

I think he was just trying to say go for broke, and attack. You can’t win anyways and your only hope is to pursue aggressively to hurt and hopefully KO Ward. Worst case you suffer a stoppage. In the end Dawson didn’t follow that advice, and the result was the same anyway … go figure

Posted September 9, 2012 12:08 am

HHLondon

“lets not knock him for that or the loss” (Dawson) is what I meant to say.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:07 am

Pete

Ward is the King of the Super Middleweight division, and now he stopped the King of the Light Heavyweight Division. No point Ward going up now, he should go down to Middleweight. That would make things interesting for winner of Martinez and Chevaz Jnr, Geale and Golovkin.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:07 am

The Prince

Just like all elite fighters, Ward is in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation by the haters. But like all elite fighters, Ward will continue to win and haters will continue to cry about it.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:06 am

HHLondon

I wasn’t convinced, even after the Froch win, but Ward stepped up tonight and turned me into a fan!

Dawson called him out, made the 168lb limit after stating it wouldn’t be an issue!

Chad had every advantage on the night with height, reach and weight and Ward took him apart at distance and it’s a shame for Ward, ’cause there isn’t any contenders at 168lbs at present that could touch him.

There’s a couple opf young bucks coming up and maybe a year or three we’ll see some action, but right now there’s nothing!

Fair play to Dawson for putting himself up, let’s now knock him for that or the loss, but Ward is pretty good and I think the Froch beating has given him that extra edge.

He was a different fighter tonight against a live big-one!

Fair play from England!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:06 am

JoelMTL

You said it Mr Tomato … every time Dawson gained any king of momentum, Ward came back with his own counter or even better combinations immediately. Totally took Dawson’s heart. I wonder if Dawson can recover mentally from this (at this point I’ll be surprised if he does). All in all this fight has giving me a certain boosted level of pride in watching this era’s crop of top fighters. There are still special talents and legitimately great fighters today

Posted September 9, 2012 12:04 am

prof konje

Dawson, or really anyone, who come out of their weight-class is making a very bad mistake. Dawson’s trainer, John Scully kept telling Dawson that he had to win. Well, Dawson knew that but Scully never told him how to win. It wouldn’t have mattered because Ward was and is the better ring general. Great boxing skills. Really unbeatable at 168.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:04 am

Anonymous

Jesus, chillax retard..

Posted September 9, 2012 12:02 am

Boxtradamus

Ward is a SHARK. You do not challenge a SHARK in his own domain. Dawson just found that out the hard way.

Posted September 8, 2012 11:59 pm

Tomato Can

Agreed Joe, this was an out classing. Ward took Dawson’s strengths away, and reduced him into a fighter that needed a one punch knock out, and that wasn’t happening.

Posted September 8, 2012 11:56 pm

Boxtradamus

I TOLD everyone that Ward is the KING at 168 and I was CORRECT. I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!

Posted September 8, 2012 11:56 pm

Frochy

I can’t see it myself although I could see Ward winning a close decision.

Posted September 8, 2012 11:55 pm

JoelMTL

I’ve been following Dawson for years, and he has legitimate talent and real skill in the ring. I did feel he was an underdog in this fight, but thought he would make it competitive and possibly pull ot the win. He. got. totally. dominated. I am officially a believer in Andre Ward. This is the stuff great fighters are made of. Props to both for making the fight, since this is what it takes to separate the very good from the great. Good night for boxing (in a way I did not expect)

Posted September 8, 2012 11:54 pm

Tomato Can

Actually, I stated that dawson looked gaunt in yesterdays weigh in. I can’t argue that Dawson wasn’t weight drained. I think Dawson would probably do better at 175 as well. But I don’t think Dawson is good enough to beat Ward at any weight. But it does seem like you are more interested in proving how bad Ward is, instead of enjoying the sport. To each there own though. Keep the posts coming, cause you produce good ones. As a matter of fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re the Manchester Giant.

Posted September 8, 2012 11:53 pm