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Perdun

If Pac is done, then maybe Floyd will actually fight him.

Posted October 24, 2013 12:05 pm 


Angel

I think its more about getting caught in an attack or counter that would have Floyd concerned some. Pac just throws from different angles and can land those awkward shots with force and with deception. He has the abilty to throw what looks like two punches at once. Not the Clottey thing but I’m saying that once punch is thrown and one is just a tad bit behind it that it almost appears that he is throwing the nearly at the same time. If you can’t see that punch, it can hurt you.

Posted July 6, 2013 12:01 pm 


Angel

Popkins: Prime vs. Prime Floyd’s best was below WW where his Speed, Athletic ability, agility, and punch-out-put were even greater (when he wanted to be). just look at the difference in combination attacks FLoyd used to do back in his 20′s and below 147 compared to later on.

Punch-out-put is also not always the same in every fight. You can have great stamina and great punch-out-put, but a great fighter that knows how to can take that away from you. He can add body-shots to slow you down. Not just hitting to the body but making sure when you hit the body it is when the opponent is completely exposed to it and not ready for it.
Floyd sneaks in body-shots that catch up to you by the mid rounds on.

Punch-out-put is also stopped when you are missing and being hit in return. That’s what Floyd is great at. You become more and more hesitant to throw when you are getting hit back, especially, when you are having a hard time landing and are getting hit back in return each time.

Posted July 6, 2013 11:58 am 


Angel

Pac and JMM was held at WW in their last fight.

JMM just wouldn’t trouble Floyd because of styles. MAB wouldn’t have either if they were able to meet in their prime. Morales however would have been somewhat of a problem for Floyd prime vs. prime at 130 but Floyd would still win because back then his overall ability was remarkable. Better athlete back then. Faster and more agile especially.

Now as far as PAC, I think that’s a fight that would have troubled Floyd more than JMM, Morales, and MAB who all three are more in line with traditional boxing/fighting unlike Pac who can be very unorthodox in his approach when he is punching. It sure could get him in serious trouble against Floyd because Pac leaves himself open and off balance a lot but its the crazy angles and ability to just land something hard even when off balance that is troublesome for your traditional boxer who wants to “box.”

And I say more so because of the time period. At that point, when it was first talked about, Floyd’s overall athletic ability wasn’t quite the same. And his punch-out-put declined. This wasn’t the same Floyd who fought at the lower weight classes. He was fighting in a slightly different manner because he had to. And I’ve always wondered if that’s something he looked at given what Pac was able to do as he climbed up in weight and still going high at 30+

Posted July 6, 2013 11:52 am 


Angel

Hidalgo:

Floyd doesn’t blow up in weight by fight-time but YES, he won’t sacrifice losing weight for the scales if he will struggle one little bit.

I do not think he planned on not making weight originally. Remember, he was injured in training camp which is more than likely the reason why his weight wasn’t on target and missed it by two pounds which he realized and gave JMM the option of taking extra money for the fight to go on.

JMM thought size mattered some but it wasn’t the main factor. It was the style and skill-set of Floyd that beat him. And that’s why JMM said there is no point in a rematch again because it would be more of the same.

Just remember, Pac and JMM blow up in weight by fight-time when they were at the lower weights. Fight-night weight is more attuned to your actual weight.

If they went by fight-night weights, guys like Manny would have been in Floyd’s division a long time ago. He weighed 145 against JMM in their Second fight. JMM weighed 141.

By the third fight, Pac was 148 and JMM was 150.

Floyd weighed 150 on fight-night against Victor Ortiz.

Posted July 6, 2013 11:40 am 


Hidalgo

“Right…. Look at this… Floyd beats Juan Manuel Marquez 12 rounds to zip…” Yeah, in Juan’s first fight at welterweight and against and elite opponent who cheated on his weight. Floyd made no physical sacrifices going into that fight while Marquez made plenty. But Marquez went after the money more than the win. That’s how Mayweather was able to make a fool out of him.

“An object in possession seldom retains the same charm that it had in pursuit.” Pliny the Younger

Posted July 6, 2013 11:10 am 


Adrian

I don’t know you can say whatever you want but the fight didnt happen for a reason and floyed se was on in esb almost every night with articles saying ” how PAC is on juice and he never saw someone that small beat big guys like margarito dhl and cotto and he didnt want he don to get hurt” lol now he is nowhere because now somehow PAC is to weak for him…!! Lol
Truly afraid of getting embarrassed by PAC and lose that was the whole reason why he never fought him!

Posted July 6, 2013 4:38 am 


TARK

Oh yes it will… It will mean a Floyd fight..

If he loses it over so it means everything.

Posted July 6, 2013 4:08 am 


PEEJ

And beating Rios is not really gonna do much for his career.

Posted July 6, 2013 3:08 am 


TARK

How about Pac beating Rios first??? … If he wins one it will help his case.

Posted July 5, 2013 6:37 pm 


mark

MAYWEATHER NEVER GIVE THE FAN’S WHAT THEY WANTED ! I WILL ALWAY SAY NO HALL OF FAME FOR MAYWEATHER INTILL HE FIGHTS PACMAN. I THINK MAYWEATHER COULD OUT POINT PACMAN IN A FIGHT . IF YOUR SAY YOUR THE BEST THEN FIGHT THE BEST OR SHUT UP. I STILL THINK FAN’S WANT A MAYWEATHER PACMAN FIGHT AND THE FAN’S THAT SAY NO ARE COWARDS LIKE MAYWEATHER .

Posted July 5, 2013 6:29 pm 


TARK

Tomato can… Are you trying to disagree with m on something??? Because I never disagreed with a single thing you said in your last post.

Posted July 5, 2013 6:09 pm 


Popkins

Prime for prime – Paccquaio’s high punch output, aggressive style, with decent power in both fists would probably have been too much for Floyd. Manny would have more than likely outpointed Mayweather. Not bad for a guy who could probably still make lightweight.

Posted July 5, 2013 5:44 pm 


bigmike

Its funny to call someone a has been, especially after being a coward and ducking him the last seven years.

Posted July 5, 2013 5:18 pm 


MNboxingFAN – Sean

That being said even though I’m a huge Pacquiao fan I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he was also… I’d like to think he wouldn’t. It’s easy to accuse Marquez because he’s said he’ll do whatever he can to get ahead. From eating weird eggs… drinking his own urine… to using a hyperbaric chamber… which should be illeagal in my opintion…. regardless… I think many fighters are doping or cheating. I love boxing more than any other sport… but I just know it’s dirty… and these tests aren’t capable of stopping all of it.

Posted July 5, 2013 3:15 pm 


MNboxingFAN – Sean

Tests don’t pick up any of the crap these top level guys are doing. Lance Armstrong was tested more than any athlete on the planet AND NEVER FAILED A TEST!!! The only reason he went down was people saw him do it… or he asked others to do it… or whatever… but it wasn’t due to the test discovering it. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the top level boxers have used some sort of illeagel tactic to gain an edge… whether it was blood doping or some other form of cheating. When slime balls like Victor Conte are being used by the likes of Donaire and not being talked about like the villains they are… yet instead being quoted as experts on how cheating happens… well they would know wouldn’t they? The guy Marquez had for his massive KO of Pacquiao too… he’s another one. Trainers tied to cheating… yet living fat and successful in the sport today. It’s going to blow wide open someday… I think we’ll all be shocked how many athletes in all sports are cheating.

Posted July 5, 2013 3:13 pm 


Christ/Angel

dtoyS:

You can’t hide drugs with those tests and get a pass anymore. It shows up in tests as a masking agent and they give you a failed test.

Floyd doesn’t use any numbing agent for his hands anymore either. That’s what time off was for. That’s what new therapies were for. New ways to wrap his hands. He also punches less than he used to.
This has already been discussed. They test for it. yes, USADA and even in Vegas.

Vegas made it illegal within a week of a bout. That means you can’t use it for the fight.

Posted July 5, 2013 3:02 pm 


Christ

kontiki:

Posts get lost. Happens all the time. So I just use a name very similar to the one I was using and then see if I can post in the written part to make it clear if someone asks. Not sure why. Usually the name saves for next time but sometimes it just doesn’t work.

Posted July 5, 2013 2:48 pm 


JoeKidd

Excellent observation:
“Every top fighter in the world talks about Floyd being the greatest fighter on the planet.” Maybe. But not always because they believe it.

These guys want to keep “opportunities” open.

Posted July 5, 2013 2:48 pm 


Christ

Angel.

Posted July 5, 2013 2:38 pm 


Christ

kontiki :

And?

This was a terrible piece of journalism. He had no foundation to stand on. Montoya was just as bad as the Mayweathers and had to back off because it was based on rumors.

Where are the facts in his article?

If you have factual evidence, you can use it in trial and win the case.

If you don’t, like Floyd didn’t, they you quickly apologize because you are ready to lose millions in a defamation case.

Posted July 5, 2013 2:35 pm 


MNboxingFAN – Sean

Mayweather never compliments a guy unless he believes two things… one… the fighter is NOT a legend, but has a strong enough fan base to market a fight with them… and two he believes they pose no real threat to him. I’m not bashing him for it. Mayweather’s a genius at picking the right opponent and at the right time. If he starts talking up Marquez now then assuming he and Marquez win their respective fights… that’ll be the next fight for Floyd. I’m sure he’s hoping that what happens considering how their fight went. Marquez looked possibly the worst he’s ever looked against Floyd… that’s the story for just about every fighter to face Floyd for that matter.

Posted July 5, 2013 2:12 pm 


J K Willes

Mayfraud wanted Olympic style testing Pac agrees in 2010. May balks chickens out and say now I want $100 million. Mayweather is a fraud ! Only fights fighters he knows he can beat

Posted July 5, 2013 1:48 pm 


Tomato Can

Tark, agreed Marquez is a great fighter, but Mayweather is better, even Marquez will tell you that. Anything can happen in a fight, but Mayweather would be the heavy favorite in a fight with Pacquiao. Also Pacquiao has went the distance against fighter with much less defense ability than Mayweather, so saying Pacquiao would knock May out is wishful thinking, even if that would be Manny’s only chance at winning.

Posted July 5, 2013 1:36 pm 


TJ

Anonymous
”People say I’m scared. They say that I’m a coward. But guess what? I’m a rich coward. A rich scared coward.”

Even Floyd admits he was a coward, but all these dopes on here still believe he didn’t duck Pacman. rofl.

I BELIEVE FLOYD WAS BEING IRONIC….
There is a fair amount of skill in being that IRONIC, to still make people miss the real point he’s getting at….

It’s like when MIKE TYSON said he was the MONTER that people were calling him all those years ago….

Basically he’s saying call me what you wanna, but i’m still going to get PAID!!!!!

Posted July 5, 2013 1:36 pm 


Tomato Can

The Rios fight may end up getting called off. That fight is still 5 months away, no telling what could happen between now and then. That’s a long time for setting up a fight.

Posted July 5, 2013 1:31 pm 


TARK

Right…. Look at this… Floyd beats Juan Manuel Marquez 12 rounds to zip… Pacquiao couldn’t get a clear win over Marquez in 4 fights — in the only decisive fight Pacquiao falls on his face — like he was shot dead.

Obviously if Pacquiao won that fight the Floyd fight HAPPENS!!!!

WHY???

Because Pacquiao said, “Floyd deserves a bigger cut of the purse. I decided he should have 55%. That is the last sticking point. Everything is agreed to.” All he had to do was beat Marquez instead of getting iced.

But he has another chance … He needs to beat Rios.

You need a win to fight Floyd.

Posted July 5, 2013 1:23 pm 


Moonshineman

Floyd is on his knees every day thanking GOD he has successfully dodged Pacquiao for 3 years. Even Floyd’s (Formally Best Friend) 50 Cent admitted it. “Little Floyd” is scared of the Pacman. Floyd is a fraud. If he had any guts ,he would have already fought Pacquiao. MW is chicken chit.

Posted July 5, 2013 12:43 pm 


Tyrone Jones

Maybe but what Floyd really means is that he not only lost a $100 MILLION pay day but also the glory of beating the one and only Pacman. Money May is a great boxer but fear has made him a much poorer businessman and hero than he could of been. If only he’d have listened to the true boxing fans and not ethnicstenablers.

Posted July 5, 2013 12:15 pm 


Anonymous

Pac is comin back !!

Posted July 5, 2013 11:22 am 


Edgar Guevara

Mayweather doesn’t about comeback!

Posted July 5, 2013 8:59 am 


Anonymous

”I’m the best in this sport of boxing stutter stutter. In this sport of boxing stutter stutter. I’ve been at the top of this sport of boxing for 16 years stutter stutter.”

Why won’t fight Pacman, Floyd?

”Pacman? stutter stutter stutter stutter knees start to tremble uncontrollably stutter stutter. Take the test, Poochio stutter stutter stutter stutter. Retires for 2 years stutter stutter. I’m worried about my health stutter stutter. This sport of boxing is dangerous stutter stutter. I love my family stutter stutter. Yes I’m a coward, but I’m a rich coward stutter stutter” rofl

Posted July 5, 2013 7:47 am 


Anonymous

Floyd says Pacman isn’t on his level and that beating him would be easy work but he never would fight him. rofl.

Posted July 5, 2013 7:32 am 


TJ

DO IT & ANGEL

With medical science improving in leaps and bounds ovber the last few years, what we really need to do is have impartial organistaions like WADA, VADA etc who can carry out dope tests without any perceived pressures from promoters, fighter’s camps or the related commissions and the KEY FACTOR here is to:

Keep these test samples and the results bioth on file and in their physical foms for a period of 10 years in order for medical science to catch up with what seems to be the advanced knowledge of these so-called drug-cheats – PEDS, whatever you want to call it….

There really must be a mandatory custodial sentence for those involved even if it means retrospective sentencing to deter anyone thinking they can cheat and get away with it.

If a boxer DIES or is CRITICALLY injured by someone found to be doping then the offence should rise to one of ATTEMPTED MURDER/ MURDER and carry the maximum sentence.

These people MUST be made to realise they are intentionally jeopardising with someone’s health and pay the maximum penalties possible.

The sport of cycling is only now getting its house in order and we must follow suit, no matter how bad it makes the sport look in the short-term.

It will benefir boxing in the long-run, if indeed there is a problem with Drug cheats in boxing…

We all remember the incident with LUIS RESTO and BILLY COLLINS JNR (RIP) and how he suffered at the hands of Resto who was literally fighting him BARE KNUCKLE…

We can’t just shrug our shoulders and say, “Oh, well. That’s boxing!”

We’ve got to stand up and weed these people out of our sport!

SPORT – TRhat is what boxing calls itself….. Therefore, I would like to see it as such!

Posted July 5, 2013 7:26 am 


Anonymous

”People say I’m scared. They say that I’m a coward. But guess what? I’m a rich coward. A rich scared coward.”

Even Floyd admits he was a coward, but all these dopes on here still believe he didn’t duck Pacman. rofl.

Posted July 5, 2013 7:25 am 


Wolf

If Pac loses his next fight then he is done. If he wins he brings new life into his career.

Posted July 5, 2013 6:59 am 


Adrian

You can have 100 and never lose but you can never say beat the best ,PACIAO!!!
PAC will be back with of without you!!!

Posted July 5, 2013 5:55 am 


Adrian

Gtfo!!! First PAC is to strong for this bit@@ coward mayweather and be ausr of that hd was demanding the testing now he is to weak for him? Hahsha foking coward!

Posted July 5, 2013 5:52 am 


he knows deep down

Floyd stfu already.. pac would destroy you. PERIOD

Posted July 5, 2013 5:02 am 


Hidalgo

“Every top fighter in the world talks about Floyd being the greatest fighter on the planet.” Maybe. But not always because they believe it.

Posted July 5, 2013 3:13 am 


TARK

Old Coot… You wouldn’t know a great fighter if one knocked you into the middle of next month.

Every top fighter in the world talks about Floyd being the greatest fighter on the planet.. even if they’re positioning to give Floyd a beat down.. Nobody ever earns what Floyd earns, or has his accomplishments wthout being great.

But like I said… There are millions small minded, simpletons like you who need a public figure to hate.

Posted July 5, 2013 2:37 am 


Whose lovin’ you.

Hecdog must be Asian.

Posted July 5, 2013 2:34 am 


Old Coot

For years I have pointed out a few inescapable facts that deep down, Mayweather knows but will never admit to:

1. Although Pacquiao lost questionably to Bradley, and in the worst way possible to Marquez, because he is a hearty crowd pleaser, fans will still pay through the nose to see him fight. ALWAYS!

2. Floyd loses ONCE, and people will pay to see what happens in the rematch… Floyd loses twice and he is through. Why? Because unlike Pacquiao, Floyd is a boring survivalist points winner. And Floyd knows it too. That is why he chose a Alvarez. A serious threat, but one that won’t tarnish his legacy should he lose because there is no bad blood between them, and many people think Alvarez is a young, hungry beast that maybe too game for old Mayweather anyway.

3. Not to mention that with Canelo’s current rising popularity, this upcoming PPV will be a near Mayweather vs Pacquiao-like monster in itself. So win, and Mayweather can retire richer than Croesus, while claiming that beating Saul proves Pacquiao would have been a cakewalk. All without ever risking tarnishing his legacy by possibly losing against Pacquiao nemesis, thus eating his words that tarnished Pacquiao’s reputation without good cause.

4. Floyd is a great boxer against hand-picked hype-jobs, and he’s genius at manipulating the purse strings and public perception of his legacy, but he is not even close to a great fighter.

Posted July 5, 2013 1:07 am 


Hecdog

And someone needs to stop putting Manny Pacquiao’s Ped Punch knockout picture on the title of every story. How about the putting the ones that have Manny beating everyone. Why continue to humiliate the greatest fighter of all time. The only 8 time division champion and the rest of the accolades he’s earned honestly. Why do so many people continue to try and bury this legend. Manny is the best!

Posted July 5, 2013 12:49 am 


tachyon

LOL some of you dudes need a 12 step Pac program cause your totally in denial. Pac lost to Bradley and was destroyed by JMM what does PBF need to be afraid of? Money wise PBF is the highest paid athlete in the world 2 yrs running without endorsements case closed FOOLS!!

Posted July 5, 2013 12:33 am 


JoeKidd

The guy has the gall to say MARQUEZ did a job well done. No regrets that YOU didn’t take care of business Floyd????

Posted July 5, 2013 12:03 am 


Tomato Can

Hecdog, Correction: ” you’re right, Good old Arum has matched Pacquiao with a fighter that blocks punches with his face”.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:28 pm 


Tomato Can

Hecdog, you’re right, Good old Arum has matched Pacquiao that blocks punches with his face. What could be better than that? Oh how about taking that same guy and making him fight in jet lag city with out a gym to train in or food that he’s grown accustom to… Things are looking up for team Pacquiao. One or two more face blockers, and Manny will be right where he was, with many fans.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:27 pm 


Tomato Can

Hecdog, you’re a loyal pacfan, I give you that, but man you’re going to be broken hearted if Manny catches another punch like that. It really kind of sounds like seeing it happen again, would be good for you though. You’re too much with the PED accusations toward Marquez. But on the same token your the first to say others shouldn’t question Pacquiao’s legitimacy… Karma has a strange way of slapping people like you in the face… Good Luck…

Posted July 4, 2013 10:50 pm 


Hecdog

Tark, I’ll give you this. I watched the replay and Manny’s foot was off balance as he stepped into JMM foot, Marquez than luckily threw the Ped Punch and it landed. I do fault Roach some for sending Manny in for the kill at all costs. I’m truly convinced that JMM was on PEDS due to Mr. Hereida. That first knock down wasn’t just a hard hit, it threw Manny half way across the ring. Marquez has never carried that type of power. Hereida taking over things is not a coincidence. I read and heard this guy’s video tapes, and he is a master at masking anything. Even Victor Conte mentioned the power Marquez had with a smile on his face.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:36 pm 


Anonymous

Mayweatherand his fans are an abomination.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:16 pm 


Anonymous

And believing it when he says it too. It’s a shame no one else does.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:15 pm 


Anonymous

PEEJ just repeating the same nonsense excuses that dope Angel has polluted the page with.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:14 pm 


PEEJ

So what will your excuse be when that does not happen?

Posted July 4, 2013 9:53 pm 


dtoyS

Floyd hides Steroids/PED usage with Xylocaine and that’s why he passes every test done to him on the count that he has a fragile hand…….that’s why he never fights outside of Nevada where he has brainwashed everybody with his FALSE/FRADULENT hand story without any medical record of a bad hand to prove otherwise.

Posted July 4, 2013 9:49 pm 


dtoyS

Once Floyd start to feel the powerful punches of a NONE CHERRYPICKIN YOUNGER STRONGER BIGGER FASTER UNDEFEATED OPPONENT his speed, body and soul will CRUMBLE on the canvass on the sept 14.

Posted July 4, 2013 9:43 pm 


TARK

Hecdog…. Marquez landed a number of punches in #IV that didn’t do a lot of damage to Pacquiao.. He wasn’t that speedy.. Numerically he was out-punched. It wasn’t a matter of speed or power, he was ready when the opportunity came like a hanging curve ball over the heart of the plate.

JMM landed the hardest punch he ever threw and Pacquiao was driving hard into the punch because he missed with a massive home run shot.. Pac admitted to being careless.

You don’t hit a single because you’re weak hitter.. You didn’t get all of the ball on that swing.. When you get all of the ball — the ball rockets out of the park … That’s what happened here.

Posted July 4, 2013 9:34 pm 


Tomato Can

LOL, yeah even the photo of this thread haunts Mayweather…

Posted July 4, 2013 9:14 pm 


Chicago guy

Pacquiao is a nightmare to Floyd that always following him. He is hiding his fear of always mentioning Pacquiao name of being washed up, done fighter, Pretender like Floyd will never be great.

Posted July 4, 2013 8:51 pm 


Kudos

Mayweather is a fraud !

Posted July 4, 2013 8:20 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah because none of them made the money Pac or Floyd made. That is why anybody who fights Floyd has no problem with random testing because it is millions in there bank account. They won’t make that with someone else. Its called mathmatics.

Posted July 4, 2013 8:19 pm 


Tomato Can

It’s easy to see who was right and who was wrong in keeping the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight from taking place. All one has to to is look at the fact that Pacquiao was offended and wanted nothing to do with Random testing, back when the fight could have been made. Fast forward to today, and now Pacquiao is demanding Random testing. That folks, is a complete 180 from his stance a few years ago, and that is a very telling story, in my opinion. Nothing else really needs to be said on the matter. But if we want to say more we can bring up all the things the Pacquiao camp had to say regarding PED’s and all the vocol dances Arum did throughtout the whole affair….

Posted July 4, 2013 8:17 pm 


Anonymous

NO ONE HAD A PROBLEM DANCING WITH PACMAN BEFORE, ONLY THE DUCKER

Posted July 4, 2013 8:06 pm 


PEEJ

As do I Jay. It takes 2 to tango and 3 is a crowd.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:48 pm 


Jay rock

I blame both of them because they both could have made it happen, the said part is arum screwed two three of fighters on huge pay days lol

Posted July 4, 2013 6:46 pm 


PEEJ

The one thing I do disagree with about the catchweight is the fact that Canelo was the one that called out Floyd. Floyd never called out Canelo. Pac and Arum where the ones that wanted the fight with Cotto and Margacheato. First off Margacheato should of never been able to get the fight but also like I said Pac called them out so he should of met them at there weight class. Canelo calling out Floyd should mean he should meet Floyd at his weight class. Floyd has already said he was a welter and not a jr middle. But that being said, I hate catchweight fights and believe there should be no catchweight for this fight. I compare it to Ward vs Dawson. Dawson called out Ward and met him at his weight.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:39 pm 


Anonymous

yet you single out the Klitschkos. haha.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:37 pm 


Angel

Anyway, overall, they both worked hard to get to where they are at so I certainly respect that. And they are doing something they like to do for a living and making a lot of money doing it. Not all can say that. But keep striving towards your goals and maybe you will reach them.

Peace everybody.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:23 pm 


Anonymous

Yes you’re right. His antics are bulls***. Like throwing about spurious allegations about PAC because his gigantic ego was hurt that Pac had performed better than him against common opponents.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:22 pm 


Angel

Floyd needs to be put in his place too. His antics are sometimes bulls***

Like accepting Canelo’s 152 catchweight which was only offered by Canelo because he thought that would get Floyd into the ring. Well, if you didn’t like Pac doing it, why would you accept it? O’ because you didn’t demand it like Pac did? Bull. Say Thank You but No Thank You. I’ll fight you at the max limit because that’s what I do. But you didn’t. Two damn pounds is going to make you look bad. Especially since he has weighed less than 154 on the scales before and is allowed to blow back up in weight by fight-time.

I want to fight my opponent at his best…well do it.

O’ and I just watched that Jalen Rose video about how Floyd thinks he changed the game because people don’t watch the HWs anymore; they instead watch the little guys. Well, that’s only because few in America follow HW boxing because they are non-Americans fighting that aren’t even perceived to be exciting.

If a young Tyson was around, Floyd would be pushed in the background.

SRL was HUGE during his time.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:09 pm 


Angel

Anonymous:

My last post was the simplest way of going about things that should have even things out for Pac.

You can’t work out the finances then get an independent arbitrator to do it. Open the books. See what the numbers are. And except the results of what is.

Someone wants additional drug testing…well, not only accept it but see i there is room to add to it in order to put you back into the power position. And there was by following what Nonito Donaire has done: Year round and random. Now its the Filipinos paving the way for the sport and not Floyd.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:03 pm 


Anonymous

Angel you have an explanation for everything to twist the blame onto Pac.

Posted July 4, 2013 5:58 pm 


PEEJ

Rem casual fans where already starting to lose interest. If you notice his PPV sells where slowly declining. Nobody was really talking about Pac unless it was in the same sentence with Floyd. His fight with Bradley was a dud in sells. Only reason his fight with Marquez did so well the 4th time was because of the mexican fan base. The 4th fight had way more Marquez fans that Pac fans. Pac always had more fans but since before the Bradley fight he was dropping off.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:53 pm 


Angel

Like I said, Pac had room to go on the offense by using something Floyd has not done since the Olympics: Year Round and Random. That would have put the ball back into his court and then you would just have the financial negotiations to deal with. And if you went along with what Richard suggested, which was bringing in a third party arbitrator to open both books, you could come to a fair agreement based on the factual numbers given.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:50 pm 


Angel

Alex Ariza already outed the whole thing about the negotiations and it didn’t look good for Team Pac. Ariza just doesn’t have a filter most of the time. They should have demanded he keep his mouth shut.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:45 pm 


gold

Floyds “BLUFF” wouldve been called “IF” Pacquiao had TAKEN the TESTS and then KICKED his A**!! NO OTHER WAY! Mayweather, most likely would have been SHOCKED at Pacs RUSH to PROVE HIMSELF! PSYCHOLOGICALLY Pac was IN the DRIVERS seat VROOM VROOM!!, Floyd was OBVIOUSLY CONCERNED, or we can even say SCARED!! Pac WON the MIND MIND GAME (which usually SEALS the DEAL)!! Paquiao had EVERYTHING in his FAVOR, but SQUANDERED it! Btw, “If” he was previously on drugs, his career may now be actually over…..it’d be too much to come back from. If clean, he can probably extend it……I’m not the HATER type, if Pacquiao RAN towards PROVING himself, I nor ANYONE else could have said any thing DEROGATORY had he kicked Floyds butt…it wouldve been HISTORIC, to say the least, instead Mayweather takes EXTRA heat due to his arrogance issues. While Pac is defended due to his low key confident personality. You reap what you sow – in all areas. Its the TRUTH! I for one believe Mr. Pacquiao was on DRUGS, but hey, we’ll NEVER know for sure.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:45 pm 


Angel

REM:

Pac didn’t agree with full testing up to the day of the fight when it was put on the table. Time elapsed. Floyd told him it would be taken off the table by a certain time.

You negotiate with where you are at during that particular time. Things change. Numbers change.

And Pac did not need Floyd do go through with the testing. Once it was made public that Pac did not agree, Pac could have started to take additional testing on his own just to shut up the doubters. He didn’t.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:44 pm 


Rem

If this doesn’t prove Floyd ducked Pac nothing will Floyd was ok with a 50/50 split as long as testing was an issue but when Pac agreed to testing all the way up to the day of the fight Floyd wiggled out of it by changing his position on the moneysplit. Checkmate fellas.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:40 pm 


Angel

Nonito Donaire gave a urine and blood sample and then started to train right after. So why can he do it and others can’t?

Posted July 4, 2013 4:37 pm 


Angel

Rem:

You either do the full protocol or you don’t. Athletes should not be able to dictate the terms. Floyd and others have gone through the testing protocol with no problem. So what’s the issue?
The rest is just mental if you have nothing to hide.

There are Meds that can elevate your levels quickly and give you that extra boost for a very short time period. Lasts hours. In and out of your system. That’s the new thing. Cyclist were doing it.

But I’m not an expert on the topic. I leave that to the testers and the people in the know that study it and do it for a living.

Is Pac doing full testing this time around or is there a cut-off?

Posted July 4, 2013 4:35 pm 


Jay rock

Rem, he said no testing two weeks before the fight that’s a joke

Posted July 4, 2013 4:34 pm 


Rem

Angel Pac was always willing to test he just didn’t want blood drawn to close to the fight for reasons i just explained. And from what i understand you dont just pop peds fightnight and become superman you have to use it over a course of time while training. Floyd just didn’t want to fight Pac but had to save face.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:29 pm 


Angel

IcantBox:

Happy 4th. Hopefully the Universe blesses ALL to be better. I certainly need it. hahaha.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:27 pm 


IcantBox

P.S.

HAPPY 4th. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Posted July 4, 2013 4:21 pm 


Angel

I did not understand that on Manny’s part. And actually thought if he wanted to get things back in his court, then take it up a notch like his countryman, Nonito Donaire by doing Year Round and Random and have Floyd agree to it as well.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:21 pm 


gold

Who CARES WHAT sport writers have to SAY in his DEFENSE!? OF course he’s gonna SWAY some fans in his DIRECTION with his PERSONA and FIGHTING STYLE!! The TRUTH and the FACTS STILL REMAIN, he AVOIDED the BEST TESTING AVAILABLE when ABSOLUTELY NEEDED! (even the PRESIDENT of the OLYMPIC committee has said Pacquiao has REFUSED…please Google)! OF COURSE, He’ll TAKE the tests NOW with “no cut of date” for ANY # of REASONS….. Its funny how his DIE HARD fans ONLY want to PROVE or SUGGEST he NEVER TOOK DRUGS…..In their eyes he’s ABOVE EXCELLENCE! I wonder what their responses would be IF he were CAUGHT red handed….they’d still find proof to say it aint so, “false footage,” “false pictures, thats not him” etc……..btw, Pac isnt considered the BEST of this era…..the BEST is SUBJECTIVE due to what EACH fan gravitates to. Roberto Duran, Julio Caesar Chavez, etc. would have given Pac ALL he could HANDLE ACCORDING to HIS style, and these guys arent considered the BEST……they are a few of the VERY BEST, but NOT the ONLY BEST of an era. STOP DISRESPECTING the OTHER GREATS by calling Pacquiao the BEST of this era or any other era. YOU ARE a DELUSIONAL BLIND FOLLOWER of this guy. He’s NOT that VERSATILE! really good yes – not that versatile……he’s DEFINITELY not the Michael Jordan of boxing!

Posted July 4, 2013 4:20 pm 


IcantBox

Poor Pac. As much as I do think he probably used PEDs, this is no way for a fighter of his caliber to go out. He seems like a genuinely good guy. If he decideds to stop boxing, I wish him the best in his next venture in life…..President of the Philippines?

Posted July 4, 2013 4:20 pm 


Rem

Gold there was clearly a smear campaign thats why Floyd had to cut Pac a check ordered by a judge. Yes there were poor excuses made by Pacs team im objective but Floyd did oh so much more to make the fight impossible. What your missing here is no one dictates terms to the megastar Pacman. Pac had genuine concerns he felt his loss to Morales was due to the boxing commission losing his blood samples and taking more blood right before the fight. He felt it weakened him. Floyds camp knew this and tried to gain a mental edge. Its possible that was Floyds stategy all along and had nothing to do with peds. There’s a reason the majority blame Floyd for the fight not happening. His bluff was constantly called.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:08 pm 


gold

There was no “smear campaign!” Manny PLAYED himself with DUMB EXCUSES that had no MERIT…..he INADVERTENTLY smeared himself with baseless excuses that made himself seem STUPID, SCARED or BOTH! The MEDIA and the FANS JUMPED all over this because when it comes to BOXING – THAT’S WHAT THEY/WE LIVE FOR!!!! “IF” Pacquiao simply JUMPED at taking the MUTUALLY applied testing: Pacs CELEBRITY and CHARACTER would’ve SHOT through the STRATOSPHERE with the utmost RESPECT & ADMIRATION……there would not be ANYTHING DEROGATORY ANYONE could say!!! Even his DETRACTORS would be put to SHAME with the UTMOST of PROOF that could NOT be QUESTIONED nor DISPUTED!! INSTEAD The Pacman went the route of plastering the public with low tone speeches that feigned HUMILITY while thanking his fans! He thought the SINGING, SMILING and GUEST APPEARANCES, while seeking POLITICAL office wouldve been SUFFICIENT for the most SCRUTINIZING of fans!! Boxing may have some BARBARIC CAVEMAN elements to it, but the FANS ARE NOT STUPID!!! IF you CLAIM a RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION and SOMEONE QUESTIONS your INTEGRITY as a VERY POPULAR PUBLIC FIGURE, ESPECIALLY in an age of RAMPANT pro-athletic DRUG USE – YOU SHOULD NOW be the AMBASSADOR for such an important TOPIC…..IT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY!!……nothing LESS should be EXPECTED of YOU…..ESPECIALLY not DUMB EXCUSES!!!

Posted July 4, 2013 3:44 pm 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter of this era and every other era in boxing history bar none. He never tested positive or looked massive or did anything else resembling PED use. Manny is a natural puncher simply put. He’s been hurting guys at all weight classes. Unlike Marquez that looked like crap, sluggish, old, no speed and was getting hit at 34, and now all of a sudden he gets stronger, faster while weighing more than in his prime? Come on, he never came close to doing what he did to Manny Pacquiao in all previous 3 fights that Manny won. You don’t generate that kind of power naturally after never having it for 15 years. It’s not a coincidence that he became this power monster ONLY after the addition of PED Master Angel Hereida. The same guy that said on video that he could mask anything, and that the NSAC tells each fighter and camp what they test for. Now, anyone with half a brain cell knows that this is a cake walk for a guy that has already admitted he supplied PEDS to the USA Olympic Athletes, and he gets to find out what they test for??? Marquez comes out looking and hitting like a Silver Back Gorilla. Let’s see exactly what kind of power he has when he fights Bradley, and if Mr. Ped Master Hereida is along for the ride since Bradley was smart enough to demand more stringent testing. Marquez is a cheater period! I watched him train live a few times overe the years, and having watched him train this time around, he was not the same person physically at all. And on the subject of Floyd Mayweather, the guy that wants to be known as a pioneer of sorts for his outspoken Olympic style drug testing demand. Well, I read and interesting article on Floyd’s FAILED drug tests. Three of them as a matter of fact. Mayweather is a hypocrite along with GBP, NSAC Schaffer and Oscar. One thing I know for sure, Money will make things easier for anyone, and for those that have a lot of it, it will help you cheat your way to the top. The writer on this great article is Thomas Hauser. MAXBOXING.com has a great article called The PED Mess Part 1 and Part 2. Very insightful and informative article. Mayweather will one day shamed as will Marquez. They will end up busted like Peterson, Mosely, James Toney, Roy Jones (don’t read much on his failure either. Because he has money), Berto, tarver and others. The sad state of boxing continues. And Mr Money is as evil as I thought. Athletes should be tested 24/7 365. Thats’s the only way to be sure, otherwise Hereida and others will be on the prowl.

Posted July 4, 2013 3:43 pm 


Angel

CARLOS EL GUAPO:

Different in what ways as far as growth?

Malnourished? YES, possibly so at the very low weights.

But if Floyd and Pac are the same, what is the big deal about Pac moving up in weight? Just because of the belts? Wouldn’t that mean that he has been doing what some others have been doing with trying to gain an advantage with fighting “smaller” fighters??? while Floyd has been fighting fighters in his own true weight class?

Posted July 4, 2013 3:28 pm 


Rem

Slick wow my man you are a rare kind of stupid. Not my fault you don’t understand such a simple concept of building anticipation for your return. Don’t worry Pac v Rios will give you an example by the way moron Pac is projected to make over 40mil with Bum Bum Rios due to the ridiculous revenue its projected to do in the Chinese market along with the mil plus ppv buys it will do in the states. Only a complete dimwit like you would accept a small flat fee for a fight that is projected to do rec. #s even though those #s cant be reached without your participation. You have a real 2$ hoe mentality. Oh thanks for undermining your fellow Floyd fans arguments for me by stating that Floyd was infact open to a cutoff date for testing but get your fact straight Pac did compromise and agreed to a 14 day cutoff point then coward boy Floyd changed his demands and said no 7 days. Thats how it was reported. This site is to advanced for you my man take that garbage post over to boxingnews 24 where you can get away with that crap.

Posted July 4, 2013 3:27 pm 


BIG FOOT

True no evidence against JMM either but we don’t read people on here harping about it constantly.

Posted July 4, 2013 3:15 pm 


CARLOS EL GUAPO

Not really outside of a normal growth range and all individuals are different. He did worse when he was at the lower weights which indicates that he may have been starving himself down or was just undernourished and should have started out at a higher weight to begin with,

Posted July 4, 2013 3:11 pm 


Angel

BIG FOOT:

Tell that to Roach about JMM who called JMM out for it despite not failing the test.

Like Ariza said, they (team Pac) didn’t like being accused so why is it right to accuse Memo and JMM instead of giving them credit for a great training camp and using modern science as the key tool like he did with Pac?

Posted July 4, 2013 3:08 pm 


Angel

CARLOS EL GUAPO:

Actually, their growth was different. Manny has a naturally smaller frame. And at 16, not everyone is done growing yet.

A better indicator is where are you at 18, then at 21/22 and then by 25. About that.

What age did Floyd turn Pro and in what division?

Then compare to Pac.

What were their weights at 18, 21, and 25.

Posted July 4, 2013 3:01 pm 


BIG FOOT

Right! there never was any evidence of Manny taking any PEDS so Floyd puppets get over it. As for Pac, I think he should retire , he’s at a good age for it and has a fortune.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:47 pm 


Rem

Angel without a doubt Floyd was justified in wanting testing but like i said before he should’ve just requested it privately in negotiations instead of going on a smear campaign in the media. Now as far as some type of modern training regimen Heredia should be the richest man in the world if he’s figured out how to dramatically increase punching power in a 40yr old man. As the saying goes your either born with punching power or your not. To add to the circumstantial evidence Marquez has alway been durable with a iron chin but he was taking a merciless beating from Pac yet stood in the pocket and didn’t even blink looking for his newfound 1 punch ko power. Pacs kd of Marquez wasn’t even legit it was due to Pac stepping on the side of his foot. All of a sudden Marquez is the banger out of the 2 cmon man.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:41 pm 


CARLOS EL GUAPO

There was never any evidence that Pac took peds just talk from the maymoron
team who seemed intimidated by Pacs success at that time period. Actually Floyd’s growth has been similar to Manny’s. Light flyweight GG champ at what/ 16 years old. Neither one of these guys has had anything more than what is fairly normal.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:39 pm 


Angel

When Pac gave full control to Ariza, Ariza pointed out that Pac would get so into it that he would not want to stop and Ariza had to pull him back. Even to the point of demanding he take off a day. But I heard Pac would still go around it sometimes and run on those “days off.”

Other times it is just down to distractions and not getting enough what you need wears you out.

This is all from an outside perspective looking in based on what has been said in interviews and written about.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:35 pm 


Angel

Tomato Can:

The last fight Floyd jr had against Robert was the first time I saw that Sr. was aware of not over-training. He gave advice to Jr. to not over do it. He did enough. I was surprised since he is usually on about how you have to do this and you have to do that…the hell with the weak.

It was pointed out that Floyd Jr. felt he may have been over-trained for Cotto.

You have to adapt.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:32 pm 


Angel

Kontiki:

Accussing FLoyd without evidence, despite him taking additional testing and Pac hasn’t, well, that is just as bad as those that you are accusing are bad for make accusations about Pac. Unless you are with the accusations actually being true about pac.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:27 pm 


Angel

TJ :

Youtube search “Don’t mess with Roger Mayweather.”

its from the joe rogan podcast. Dana white speaks about Roger Mayweather. If it doesn’t show up for some reason just type in “Dana White on Roger Mayweather.”

Posted July 4, 2013 2:25 pm 


bald_head_slick

@Rem – You have got to be one of the dumbest posters I have ever seen. WTF kind of dumb logic do you use to come up with your positions? FMJ fights less because he makes more. Pac fights more because he makes less. Why? He isn’t on the same level. Pac backed out from every negotiation. Even when he had 50/50 and a 14 day testing cut off! Then you say “disrespecting” by offering $40 million GUARANTEED?!?! Pac has never and will NEVER see that kind of money ever again. Let alone have it GUARANTEED!!! In hindsight, Pac (and you) look like the idiots for not appreciating the offer! Now the alleged FOTD is fighting a 135 pounder with no defense. Pac is such a joke he couldn’t even face a 147 pound tune up. Pac is a complete fraud!

Posted July 4, 2013 2:20 pm 


TJ

ANGEL:

That’s the one thing I forgot to post…. ROGER wasn’t even puffing, considering his age, but wach and every one of his students was exhaused as he had them doing bursts on the pads of about a minute or so, working offence/defence, hooks and ducking/slipping inside (you know the routine)….

Their arms were literally hanging limp through exhaustion and fatigue… but this stuff will make them….

inetersting aside, I was chatting to JESSIE VARGAS after he beat VIVIAN HARRIS and he was such a gentleman — to be honest all the boxers in there were really nice guys and made me feel welcome and there were no bigheads in that gym…. Everyone worked….

The one thing they told me was that literally dozens of guys travel up from Grand Rapids trying to make their name at the gym, but they soon find out that reps are only reps if you can back it up and they soon high-tail it home.

These guys want to learn from the best and they will learn old school!

Posted July 4, 2013 2:19 pm 


Tomato Can

Floyd Sr. lso stated that you have to change things up once a fighter ages. You can’t push the body as much, and he seems to be aware of that.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:14 pm 


Angel

TJ:

Hatton couldn’t handle the training Floyd gave him. He thought he was over-training. Dawons couldn’t handle it. A lot of fighters just can’t handle it. One of the boxers were on youtube describing what it is like being trained with Floyd Sr. and he said you basically just go beyond what others do. You are training almost non-stop. It’s crazy.

now add in that Floyd jr. has been doing this since he was a young boy it would not only be easier for him at this point because his body and mind adapted but it would also be ingrained for hi to know htat he has to push past what others are doing. Of course, I always wonder with age if he is susceptible to over-training. I think he almost said as much with the Cotto fight. Even Hopkins learned that you have to adapt to age.
Floyd has to some degree with limiting his punch-out-put and movement compared to his younger years but training…still top notch according to those that train with him. Maybe not quite like he was when he was younger. I would be interested to see what difference there is.

Pac has an incredible work-ethic. Ariza felt that Pac was at an even higher level with him in full control and Manny listening than without. Now is this just an ego trip or was it the truth?
Either way, you can’t be that great and suck in training.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:09 pm 


Rem

Tamato can not much about your post i can argue only that despite my earlier post which was to return the dismissive attitude Floyd fans show to Pac I’ve always admitted Floyd poses problems for Pac hell Floyd is a problem for anyone at a fair weight shoot anyone and everyone. But imo Floyd has done much in his power to avoid the fight.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:01 pm 


Angel

Rem:

Two things should have taken place: Full testing protocol that Floyd wanted since both would be doing it and its actually good for public perception.

Bring in a third party. An independent arbitrator to work out the numbers and give the results of what is fair based on those numbers. That’s what Richard suggested. He wanted the books to be open. But Bob Arum would have none of that.
Floyd wanted to cut Arum out of the promotion and his big cut it seems.

People suggested Pac just leave Arum and he would have been better off. Just go over what Ariza has said about the situation. He exposed it all on twitter, and interviews.

Ariza and Memo are acquaintances but it doesn’t mean they are “connected.” Ariza doesn’t think Memo cheated with JMM and puts it down to what he was doing with Pac, Modern Science.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:00 pm 


TJ

ANGEL

You’re damn skippy about the Mayweathers…

I went to the Mayweather Gym fo f teh first time back in 2008 where I buped into CORNELIUS BOZA-EDWARDS outside and instantly recognised him and we struck up a conversation as MR EXCITEMENT was involved in some of the most exciting bouts back in the early-mid 80′s at Super Featherweight and was managed by MICKEY DUFF….

Anyway, he invited me into the gym and introduced me to ROGER…. ROGER is a very smart dude and subtly tested me on my boxing knowledge and asked me some questions which only true historians of teh gmae would know – and i’m talking going way back.

Once he was satisfied he invited me and the missus to spend time there and I now have hours of footage of him training his proteges and this dude went on without missing a beat with five different guys and a girl on the pads doing all the things we love him for….

Awesome…. I always drop by anytime i’m in Vegas and I remember his son Kai was giving it large with his own gloves and he was only three art the time!

YES, it is cast in the blood in the Mayweatrher family!!!!

Later we talkied about all things boxing, those coming up, those passing out, the pros and cons… Everything….

I’m telling you, if I didn’t know my shiit I woulda been bounce outta there, turning up uninvited!

Posted July 4, 2013 1:59 pm 


Angel

Actually, boxers are still people and not all of them train the same way. Tyson used to train incredibly hard when he was with the proper team. But when he left, he became lazier.

Many boxers after becoming successful, fall apart. They don’t remain disciplined. Floyd has. And for a long time. That makes a difference. How you live your life in and outside the gym. Bernard Hopkins is an example.

Fighters and Trainers have mentioned the difference between Floyd’s training habits and many of his counter-parts.
I’m not saying he trains the hardest, and it may have changed since his younger years since he is older and it takes more to recover, but he has still shown to be on that next level of discipline and training because he was groomed that way from the start. He isn’t the only one of course in that class but it is few.

And then add on that his I.Q. and boxing technique was built up over the years, it just makes him that much better.

Some fighters train incredibly hard physically but they don’t have the I.Q. and/or boxing technique to be at such a level.

Some fighters have the I.Q. and boxing technique but don’t bother to put time into their conditioning like some others.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:50 pm 


Angel

Floyd’s boxing background:

The point made about how he is ahead of the game due to having three siblings who were Pro Boxers, his Father, His Uncle Roger (who was Champion), and Uncle Jeff (who is also a trainer), does play a big factor in this all. He was groomed from an early age to be Great. He was given the Genes and he was given the knowledge on how to be Great. He wasn’t raised rich so that helped with motivation. In the end, it was on Floyd to soak it in, and want it to work…and he did.

Alexander the Great was born into a Military Family. His Father was King Phillip II of Macedon. He was a Great General. A Revolutionary General. He setup Alexander with the best training. Mentally and Physically Alexander was groomed to be Great.

One of his Teachers was Aristotle. He also had another great teacher in a great, hardcore, veteran soldier who guided him throughout the years from childhood. He built Alexander to be tough, to push past the pain, to build his endurance, etc. all while grooming him in worldly knowledge during this time.

And then by the time he was made a General early, he had a great supporting cast.

That’s what I’m talking about the advantages were with Floyd.

And this isn’t just me saying it, this is the Boxing Community that include World Class Trainers and Fighters.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:45 pm 


Tomato Can

I tried to tell fellow fans on this site that Manny would end up running, jumping, or waking into Mayweather counters. That exactly what Manny did in the Marquez fight, in fact Manny walked into a strait right, Mayweathers bread and butter punch….

Posted July 4, 2013 1:37 pm 


Tomato Can

Pacquiao is/was a great fighter, his swarming style could have overwhelmed even greater fighters than himself. But, a smart fighter is Mannys weakness, Marquez proved that many times. The blueprint to beat Manny has been revised and released. If you don’t think so, you’ll been for another heartbreak and let down. The type of letdown that left fans like Chicago guy, pondering suicide… Don’t set yourself up for another big leg down, just accept the reality that as great as Pacquiao was, he was always going to be beat by a better and smarter ring technician… Mike Tyson falls in the same category, he was great, exciting, and he was capable of beating fighters before they entered the ring, but he was always going to lose to a better ring technician.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:06 pm 


PEEJ

Have to disagree. Like I’ve said numerous times before. Everything was agreed apon even the money back in 2010 and Floyd only asked for random drug test and Pac declined. Not only declined but it was the way he declined. Instead of saying no he came up with lame excuses

Posted July 4, 2013 1:05 pm 


2nd2nunn

Mayweather is RIGHT. Yes, you heard it. RIGHT. Marquez is indeed a legend. He’s never turned down a challenge, unlike Mayweather, who does it consistently. If May thinks he’s such a legend then he should have shown him some respect and not come in deliberately over their agreed weight limit. Classless fool.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:04 pm 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Floyd Mayweather Jr have been avoiding Manny Pacquiao for a long time now and is just afraid to lose his precius “0″. Mayweather Jr is afraid to lose and greedy.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:01 pm 


PEEJ

Pac does lead in PPV sells. Floyd leads the average of PPV shows per event. Which still means Floyd sells more. Meaning also after Sept 14 he will be leading in PPV sells. I believe it is you that has nothing on lots of boxing fans. Your mainly just a Pac fan who fails to see through all the smoke n mirrors

Posted July 4, 2013 12:55 pm 


PEEJ

Actually Ariza has had ties with PED distributors so you are wrong. And funny how Floyd is willing to do random testing but Pac wasn’t. And lets not forget Marquez asked for random testing to make Pac feel at ease but once again Pac declined

Posted July 4, 2013 12:52 pm 


gold

PUNK PAC wants to SALVAGE his career so he’ll fight a LESSER opponent to stir his DIE HARD followers into SUBMISSION! Maybe he’ll SING that one song, he likes to sing, once again for “da fans!” maybe he’ll continually SMILE as he regards himself as the “BEST” like he did on the T.V program “60 minutes.” Maybe he’ll pass a convenient law that INSPIRES those who WORSHIP him! Maybe he’ll fight some more DRAINED (Cotto, Oscar) & INACTIVE (Margarito, Clotty) opponents with GOOD names for good measure!! Or maybe he’ll just have them WAIT (Marquez)!! Maybe he’ll get his fans to believe the “Boxing Commissions” tests are JUST THE SAME as OSDTesting!! Maybe, because Pacquiao CLAIMS he’s RELIGIOUS – his fans will consider it ABSURD to even ASSOCIATE Paquiaos name with DRUGS ever again!!! NO ONE should EVER even THINK that the GREAT “humble” Pac would EVER even CONSIDER DRUG taking!! It would be SACRILEGIOUS to think he COULD be TEMPTED at ALL, he’s NEVER even HEARD of such a WORD let alone ATTITUDE!!! His unique singing style coupled with his newly grown pie face can inspires MILLIONS!!! Pacquiaos attitude was, “I am clean, why should I take a BETTER form of testing?!” “Da fans an da people KNOW I am CLEAN so I will give away (just enough) money and things to show how TRULY clean I am OVERALL – BETTER testing will NEVER be NECESSARY for such a GREAT EXAMPLE such as mine!!” Pac communicates, “My fans are the BEST, I will be more available to them – SINGING & SMILING more CONTINUALLY, since they KNOW the TRUTH!!”…….”BAH, HUMBUG, to TEST TAKING, unless of course my FUNDS are INTERRUPTED……wont use the ‘needle’, or the ‘blood deficiency’ EXCUSES anymore, I must SACRIFICE myself for the FUNDS, for ‘da fans an da people’ of my country……my fans know this is true…..I love them so!!!!…….please, if possible E-mail my fan club with your kind appreciation!!!!”

Posted July 4, 2013 12:19 pm 


Rem

Run with Juan Manuel Balcos tainted ko all y’all want the quotes from his fellow Mexican greats say it all.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:05 pm 


the public

coorection: lead right

Posted July 4, 2013 12:04 pm 


the public

Canelo, is on his way to superstar because he fulfills 2 boxing archtypes. Mexican brawler and great white hope. His calm demeanor is matched by his charisma and his intelligence in the ring is starting to show. His willingness to call out Floyd at such a young age is not an act of a daydreamer but an attempt to capture greatness and I commend this spirit and believe it will serve him well against Mayweather. If he times his right to the body at the same time Floyd throws his lead left, then I will know he did the proper work. It is timing for the kid. he has to get his timing down.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:03 pm 


Rem

Oh how could i forget Pac also leads all active boxers including Floyd in career ppv sales lol y’all got nothing for me.
“The Mexican pharmacy beat Pac”
-Eric Morales.
“Marquez has no power”.
-Former Marquez opponent Marco Antonio Berrera.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:03 pm 


the public

When your name is synonymous with faceplant, you are no longer able to hide behind the curtain the media built for you. Floyd has never had the media as fans and it is an anomaly that he is so successful. It is by pure will and skill that Floyd has become boxing. Nobody gave him nothing. Floyd created the outlet, 24/7, and hasn’t looked back since. Everyone can lament how he isn’t more attacking, but there just aint anyone to force his hand. Yet.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:59 am 


Rem

Urone2 the only lineal tittle he won at a catchweight was Cottos. Subtract that one and he still legitimently ties Henrey Armstrong for winning 3 lineal tittles in different weightclasses.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:58 am 


Sugar Ray

Pacman is the greatest fighter of his generation, Floyd comes a distinct second behind him. A fight between the two of them would’ve ended very badly for Floyd.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:39 am 


urone2

Rem,

Manny is the catch weight champion of the world that’s about it. Try using your brain and go through some boxing history and compare. Most champion fought for titles at the title weight limit, not below the limit to get and advantage. Manny “Hype Job of The Century”.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:36 am 


BUSTAJAY

PAC needs to clear his head from that KO, make peace with his wife, train hard and come back strong.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:34 am 


Proud African

And he got KTFO.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:31 am 


Rem

To quote boxings greatest champion. “My accomplishments in boxing compared to his ha”. 10 tittles in 8 weightclasses 4 lineal fighter of Floyds prime decade 3x fighter of the year the #s don’t lie Floyd does lol.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:27 am 


Gooseman

Get back to your fruit stand you square-headed Mexican peasant.

And make sure you clean the dirt out from beneath your fingernails when you’re handling food you filthy bastard.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:19 am 


Rem

Floyd is lightwork for Pac. LIGHTWORK.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:17 am 


Andrew

you guys have no life

Posted July 4, 2013 11:12 am 


Rem

ROTF… Dudes are so out of touch with reality. Floyd never wanted any part of The Pacman. To bad because the shadow of Pac will always linger above him. No glory for Floyd-a-void only questionmarks.

Posted July 4, 2013 11:10 am 


te tumbo

it appears that the FAT Rat is up to his multiposting shenanigans again. i’ve posted my piece and i’ve been right all-along about Pacquiao’s* promotional “greatness” despite the clueless objections of “experts” (pft?!). i’m enjoying watching their final gasps of Manny*-worship and occasionally directing a “Pachuco kick” to their collective guts.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:39 am 


Bee vs Wasp

Prime Pacquiao pisses all over Floyd. Floyd would’ve got KTFO if he ever fought him and he knew he would, which is why he wanted nada to do with him.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:33 am 


te tumbo

there is ZERO suspense regarding a Mayweather v. Pacquiao* matchup. win or lose v. Rios it’s always been obvious among knowledgeable fight-fans that Manny* has never been in Mayweather’s class. Floyd cruelly dominates; mercilessly punishes; and easily outclasses any version of the one-dimensional Pacquiao*. strictly tested or otherwise. bottomline, whatever he smaller and older Marquez has ever been able to do v. Pacquiao*, the bigger, faster, and stronger Floyd would do even better. i don’t doubt that Mayweather could even duplicate Marquez’s KO, which was all about timing, experience, and punching form. Pacquiao’s* fanboys should simply accept that the final moment of Pacquiao’s* presumed greatness consists of this cover pix and the unforgettable image of Marquez lumbering to an opposite corner and raising his fists in final victory. Manny’s* career may not be done but his rivalry v. Marquez is irrefutably OVER. Marquez is Greater. Viva Marquez!

Posted July 4, 2013 10:32 am 


te tumbo

the primary reason i don’t believe that Pacquiao* was juicing is that i believe he’s always avoided the stiffest competition including his primary P4P rivals, e.g., Four (4) F’n Years between otherwise red-hot rematches is DUCKING. declining to face his P4P rival for $25-$50 million dollars over the issue of harmless and MUTUAL drug-testing is DUCKING. there is no other rational explanation. only clueless gushing by delusional and boxing-ignorant Pacquiao* fanboys. Pacquiao* has never unified a division and despite the legacy-defining KO loss he experienced v. Marquez, he recently declined a 5th matchup over purse-split and location as if HE was the one to execute the #1 KO in Boxing History and entitled to dictate terms(?!). instead, he targets Rios coming off of a loss, moving up in weight, and obliged to travel all the way to F’n China(?!?) to avoid any additional trauma to Pacquiao’s* psyche. Pacquiao’s* career isn’t “done”. he remains a dangerous fighter but his contrived and artificial run at the top of the P4P roster is OVER.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:23 am 


Kid Blast

If Pac should somehow KO Rios in a spectacular manner, and Floyd should look so-so against Canelo, a Pac-Mayweather fight becomes a major possibility again.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:18 am 


gold

I don’t know if he’s washed up. Mayweather is probably being so blunt, mean and discouraging about Pacquiao due to Pacs RELUCTANCE to take OSRTing! He’s well aware that many feel he was scared by believing that Pac was on DRUGS. Floyd is between a rock and a hardplace, but being nice would suit his cause MUCH better! You ONLY fail when you QUIT, so Mayweather should be more gracious in his remarks towards Pacquiao. Manny should be viewed as an athlete with a new hurdle to overcome. An extreme hurdle! He CAN say that he thinks Manny MAY be done due to psychological reasons from the DEVASTATING KO, he could also use some past examples of fighters that were never the same after such a loss! but he could extend a measure of “I dont know for sure,” due to the fact he considered Pacquiao a fighter that was abnormally good in the ring, albeit, from DRUGS! I for one thought he was DEFINITELY on DRUGS, but theres no way to prove this NOW! Mayweather is “trying” to be more gracious at times, but ODH and crew isnt making it easy for Mayweather, even though thats not a good excuse. It MAY be over for Pacquiao, but we don’t know for sure! “If” dude happened to be on DRUGS, he DEFINITELY got GOT what he DESERVED by Mr. Marquez, and RIGHTLY SO!!!

Posted July 4, 2013 10:15 am 


tachyon

If God made the universe as silly as that sounds then God had to use some serious power I’m pretty sure God is on Peds too. I mean Gods head grew to the size of the universe I would not believe in God until I he agrees to Random Blood Test.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:13 am 


urone2

I’m going to put this out there, this is what I think happened to Manny. When Manny found god he decided to put all thing wirte in his life and stop using whatever PED he was using. Thus the slip in his performances since finding god. If Manny was not using and moved up all those weight classes bringing his speed and power he is a truely unique individual. He would be the only person I have seen in my 42 years as a boxing fan to move up in weight like that and carry speed and increase power. Increase power because you have to be hitting harder to KO bigger guys.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:06 am 


tachyon

Couple things 1. Peds of any type don’t make your head grow bigger stupid myth. 2. PBF tried to make the fight he agreed on money, gloves, etc but asked for one thing really small request for both fighters “Random Blood Test” Pac said no. It does not matter what you sat by not agreeing to something so simple makes you guilty. Pac did want to fight but if the random test caught him a boat load of other people would have been in trouble as well i think Pac was caught between a rock and a hard spot. Either way ball was in Pacs court and he double dribbled. PBF was correct to ask for the test he fought Cotto, Mosley, etc they all agreed to random test its such a tiny dumb request no one in there right mind would give up 50 million over it unless your guilty.

Posted July 4, 2013 10:04 am 


urone2

Hidalgo
“It was a matter of time to witness this hypejob being exposed, next one to be exposed is canelo alvarez” If Pacquiao was such a hype job, how come Mayweather never made the fight happen? Try to remember, Ghetto Thug, The whole state of Nevada stepped aside so Floyd could fight last year instead of going to jail when he was supposed to. If Floyd really would have wanted to fight Pacquiao, he could have made the fight happen. But he didn’t, so he didn’t. BTW fool, NOBODY with 8 world championship titles is a “hype job.”

You can tab Manny as a Hype job Why might you ask. Fighting his toughest compition at catch weights, Juan Marquez none catch weight fight Manny showed no real advantage. So, you can say the Hype was created by draining fighters to make Manny look great. Truthfully we will never know what Manny was capable of because of the catch weight fights. 8 World championship titles with a quest mark on every catch weight fight.

Posted July 4, 2013 9:54 am 


the public

Angel: Majority of american fans who watched the HBO broadcast think Pac won. British fans think totally different from watching the sky sports feed. It was a very close and competitive match that saw Pac fade badly, and get outboxed by a guy with 2 bad feet.

ATG get knocked out by ATG knockout artists, not swollen lightweights jumping up in weight,

Posted July 4, 2013 9:41 am 


urone2

The Truth
There was no talk of PEDS, until Pacquiao knocked out a strong Hatton, then it was PEDS, accuse Pacquiao of taking PEDS, that will put a spanner in the works, Mayweather should of just got the fight on, he avoided the Pacquiao fight, not the promers, Arum, it was Mayweather and co.

Wrong, it was the Cotto fight.

Posted July 4, 2013 9:38 am 


Pat Mustard

Maybe now that Pacquiao is completely washed up Floyd will consider it safe enough to fight him, much like a vulture circles a dying camel in the desert.

Posted July 4, 2013 8:42 am 


$5 Bill

Stop using the semicolon so much.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:55 am 


$5 Bill

The dark part

Posted July 4, 2013 7:53 am 


Angel

which part of Africa are you from?

Posted July 4, 2013 7:52 am 


$5 Bill

I’m a pure breed.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:52 am 


Angel

I could pass for a few different “ethnicity.”

Mixing genes does that.

EThe World wasn’t exactly a pure breeding ground for one general Warlord.

Many European countries; many mixed.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:51 am 


$5 Bill

Dogs are awesome.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:47 am 


$5 Bill

A white Hispanic?

Posted July 4, 2013 7:46 am 


Angel

Diogenes best friend was a Dog.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:43 am 


Angel

It would depend on who is defining it. Broad painter…I guess, “technically.” But some others would probably say not so much.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:42 am 


$5 Bill

Me? I’m misanthrope with a heart of gold.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:38 am 


$5 Bill

So you are white then?

Posted July 4, 2013 7:36 am 


Angel

And you?

Posted July 4, 2013 7:35 am 


Angel

Not Jewish. Not Christian. Not Muslim.

I don’t follow a religion. Nor do I believe humans are a separate entity from each other.

I grew up in a diverse community and traveled enough to show my instincts from the beginning were right. At least for me.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:30 am 


Angel

No. But that would be one reason why I wouldn’t be invited: My disagreement with their ideals.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:27 am 


$5 Bill

Or is it something else? You Jewish?

Posted July 4, 2013 7:27 am 


Angel

You wouldn’t see me in their audience. I wouldn’t be invited either.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:23 am 


$5 Bill

Tell me about it. I’m curious.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:22 am 


Angel

Ah, Yes. Especially given my background.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:21 am 


$5 Bill

You sure about that?

Posted July 4, 2013 7:19 am 


$5 Bill

Busted

Posted July 4, 2013 7:19 am 


Angel

YES. Not a fan.

I just looked up the other guy; not a fan of his either.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:18 am 


$5 Bill

What about Louis Farrakhan then?

Posted July 4, 2013 7:12 am 


Angel

Khalid Muhammad: NO. I would have to look him up.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:11 am 


Angel

$5 Bill:

I don’t defend Mayweather on everything. There is no point. I think he has been quite wrong on many things. Same with them all.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:10 am 


$5 Bill

Do you know who Khalid Muhammad is?

Posted July 4, 2013 7:08 am 


Angel

$5 Bill:

One person’s view of an “excuse” can be another person’s view of “reason.”

Which camp is saying what?

What facts back up what you say?
And how is it being used.

Many things matter.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:06 am 


$5 Bill

You shouldn’t have insulted my intelligence with your cherry picked quote. You knew I wasn’t referring to that. I told you not to play dumb with me.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:03 am 


Angel

tachyon:

They should actually be doing Year Round and Random. I’ve heard this mentioned plenty of times and yet, only one I am aware of is doing it the proper way: Nonito Donaire.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:01 am 


$5 Bill

I said you’ve got an excuse for everything. Everything in defence of Mayweather, Khalid.

Posted July 4, 2013 7:01 am 


Angel

Again, you failed to answer back directly to the question. Simple answer would have been Yes or No. And yet you didn’t. So there is no point in this discussion any longer.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:59 am 


$5 Bill

Was that supposed to be funny, Khalid Muhammad?

Posted July 4, 2013 6:54 am 


Angel

Are you a female? Or raised only by Females? Because Men don’t argue like that; women do. Men are specific in answering questions directly back. Women aren’t.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:53 am 


$5 Bill

Get Mayweather’s D out of your mouth.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:51 am 


Angel

I have many posts. Point them out. Or you are just being obnoxious.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:48 am 


$5 Bill

I told you not to play dumb with me.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:47 am 


Angel

So this is an excuse?

The majority of the Public feel Pac beat Bradley. Bad decisions do happen.

Even ATG get knocked out. It happens. Especially with certain style fighters that take bigger risks during the fight.

?????

Which part is wrong?

Posted July 4, 2013 6:47 am 


$5 Bill

Don’t play dumb with me.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:46 am 


$5 Bill

You know what I’m talking about.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:46 am 


Angel

$5 Bill:

what are the “excuses” ?

Posted July 4, 2013 6:44 am 


$5 Bill

Mayweather is the one who’s on steroids.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:44 am 


teepee

man canelo is not all that he just was bigger than those guys he fought he out weight them by 20/30 lb so yeah hes going to ko them and bully them that’s why he don’t fight his weight class which would be 168 cuz he cant beat those guys so he fight smaller guys to look good

Posted July 4, 2013 6:42 am 


Angel

the public:

The majority of the Public feel Pac beat Bradley. Bad decisions do happen.

Even ATG get knocked out. It happens. Especially with certain style fighters that take bigger risks during the fight.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:41 am 


$5 Bill

Angel couldn’t get his tongue any further up Mayweather’s arse if he tried. He’s got an excuse for everything.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:39 am 


Angel

Kontiki:

The whole thing about “it takes one to know one” argument is nonsense. It’s easier to look at what is different and then someone stepping up and seeing it and saying it instead of holding his tongue.

As far as Floyd, he has been fighting since he was a child. Trained by two experienced Pro Fighters; one Champion. Of course he is going to be advanced from a technical stand-point. And if you ever heard what Hatton said about Sr. you’ll understand that the work-ethic he demands on his fighters is crazy. Floyd is just like his Father in training.

Floyd has declined over the years. Go watch his fights from 130 until now. You’ll see a decline. There is a reason why he doesn’t throw the combinations he used to. He doesn’t quite move like he used to. But people that don’t bother to go back and watch the young Floyd are so amazed only because he has always been so gifted athletically and technically that even with a slow decline, he is ahead of those that aren’t.

Look at Kobe: He has so much wear and tear on that body and older than his birth-age from an athletic stand-point but when he is “on” he is on and better than the younger players that don’t have his natural athletic ability nor his I.Q. and technical skills.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:34 am 


teepee

I don’t know why ppl is even still saying pac he been done ever sense the juice deal came up hasn’t won sense and this canelo all he is is a bully that dhl been hyping up 170lb but fight guys 147 to 154 why don’t he fight golovkin or sergeo or ward cuz he will get ko’d that’s why he is fighting little guys bully bully bully

Posted July 4, 2013 6:21 am 


boxing barlow

Say what u want but mayweather v Pac is still the biggest fight in boxing.

Posted July 4, 2013 6:14 am 


Haimat

These “experts” saying hilarious things like, “high on HGH” LOL. Mayweather has a point. Pacman is old. He’s way past his prime. Nobody lasts forever, especially in the toughest sport in the world(except if you’re on drugs). Pacquiao is the greatest fighter of his generation bar none. He should retire after the Rios fight. He’s got nothing left to prove in boxing.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:38 am 


Pac’s head is the proof

Pac’s head is bigger than Barry Bonds and how tall is Pac like 5’6? That tells you something. If you can’t his abnormally sized head compared to when he was 20 something you’re sucking his nuts too hard. Your head doens’t baloon like that unless you’re on HGH.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:32 am 


tachyon

Pac is a great fighter and had some great fights. He could have had a 50 million dollar fight with PBF if he had agreed to the random drug test. It was not like PBF said Pac you have to take random test and I don’t both of the them had to take the test. Pac said no same as Klit brothers always say no to random test as well. That in itself shows your hiding something or the test would not be an issue. Would Pac like to fight PBF sure I don’t think Pac is afraid of anyone except the random pee man when he shows up. That is who Pac fears. Do you guys notice Olympic athelets have to pee test at all kinds of random times. Tigers girl friend went to awards show and had to give pee test back stage in her hot outfit. Hell if she can do that Pac should not be whining.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:22 am 


Happyboy

Gonzo – then why is Pac following May and asking for the same test he refused?

Posted July 4, 2013 4:21 am 


the public

Pac was always a hype job in my opinion. His best win was against Barrera. Everything else was media building a hero to . How the hell you a ATG and get beat by Bradley.? How you an ATG and get knocked out by Marquez? I’ll tell you how, because you aint an ATG. Floyd is hatin but it is reasonable considering how he had to hear idiots put Pac in the same league as him. Pac still has time to prove us all wrong, but the window is closing. Floyd by UD over Canelo in a surprisingly good scrap.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:08 am 


Angel

Gonzo the Dragonborn:

Roy Jones and Richard Hall both came up dirty which really was odd if you look at it considering Hall was the one that outed Roy but swore he was clean.

The testing procedure back then wasn’t as accurate either because of the protocol was different. Many people, specifically with lower end labs that weren’t through the Olympics, came up with “false-positives” and even contaminated samples which invalidated the results.
All this was written about in an article years back with One notable Guy who was involved in the testing side of things that helped change the protocol to a more fluent and valid way.

I also tried to check into what they failed for and what exactly were the results other than the “limits” of the testing. Non of the reporters who broke the story could give me a conclusive answer.

Was it the testosterone levels, the ratios, or what…because that makes a difference.

Did you know that Androstenedione was created by Patrick Arnold. He came up with designer steroids for Balco.

Andro was legal on the market. Athletes started to show up positive for steroids. Even in regular supplements like Protein Powders were showing up positive for Andro. Why? Because they were using the same machines to make both products so there was cross-contamination. This helped changed protocol in top branches of Supplement companies. Some companies now lable their products to help make athletes aware that all their products are “clean” of prohibited chemicals.

Andro was found in many supplements back then because it was the popular “supplment” of choice. It was in a supplement called “Nor Andro Ripped Fuel Stack” and I think there was another one with Ripped Fuel Plus. Green bottle. Had a variety of cutting agents as well s pro-hormones.

Twinlab’s “Nor Andro Ripped Fuel Stack” had 100mg Andro. 20mg DHEA. 910mg Guarana (which is like caffeine). 334mg Ma Huang (which is like ephedra).

The main thing was 19-Nor Androstenedione with 7-Keto DHEA. Both pro-hormones that can cause you to fail a drug test for steroids. And add in Ma Huang that was ephedra, that’s an additional banned chemical from testers despite being legal to buy and over the counter at your local GNC during that time.

And that supplement was just the beginning. There were a lot of shady products on the market that have now been taken off because they have found actual low dose steroids in them. Crazy time. I think you can still order some.

Posted July 4, 2013 4:05 am 


Angel

Think about it:

Floyd is risking his health and livelihood each time out just like them but they are not making 40+ million a fight and regarded as one of the best ever.

When you are lower on the ladder you take more unnecessary risks than you have to in order to move up the ladder because you have less to lose and want what the other guy has. In order to do that, you can’t make demands because you are not in position to do so. You just suck it up and do it.

Posted July 4, 2013 3:42 am 


murderman

I believe we all are rooting for pac to destroy rios. Cause if he doesnt he is finished! And so is a possible may vs pac fight! Go pac! Lol

Posted July 4, 2013 3:20 am 


Anonymous

Gonzo is the best poster on here though.

Posted July 4, 2013 3:00 am 


LOL

Gonzo “ I’m #1 by the way”. Dream on !!

Posted July 4, 2013 2:50 am 


TARK

Hidalgo…. “Antonio Margarito is one tough SOB. Sure, Miguel handily beat him, I thought, but Margarito still got to him and did some damage.”

No he didn’t… And he’s not tough at all.. Never stopped a soul after he was defanged.. Cheato didn’t do crap to Cotto in the rematch.. He was a toothless tiger, same as the Mosley fight. After his wraps were changed, Shane knocked him out … after giving him a well deserved beating.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:39 am 


Haimat

Mayweather says Richard Shaefer is the Golden Boy

Posted July 4, 2013 2:36 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

BTW, I don’t have anything against you PEEJ.. It’s just that I have little patience with those who try to spin Floyd’s straight up shameless ducking of Manny as something else.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:25 am 


PEEJ

Floyd really only fights for the WBC and the Ring Belt. And with the way the WBC doesn’t enforce mandatories on the cash cows is the reason why in my opinion

Posted July 4, 2013 2:24 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

You haven’t proven anything wrong, mong. ROFL. All you’ve proven here is you’re way too infatuated with the object of your homoerotic fixation to be able to see the wood for the trees. Floyd ducked Manny and that’s all there is to it I’m afraid. The whole world knows this.. it’s only the tiny minority of you Floyd groupies who believe otherwise.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:17 am 


Hidalgo

“I got tons of preparing for International Vulture Awareness Day to do when I wake up. ” You’re a weird, weird man, Gonzo. ;)

Posted July 4, 2013 2:17 am 


Hidalgo

“Same reason why the WBC doesn’t care ..” Good points Peej, but don’t you think it’s interesting that Floyd, who once stated he didn’t need titles and that they didn’t mean anything, and who also scoffed at the WBC and didn’t fight for a title because he didn’t want to pay their sanctioning fees–don’t you think it’s interesting and odd that now he’s fighting only champions and accumulating belts? This is the same guy who refused to pay a $60,000 sanctioning fee but had no problem paying 10 times that amount to Marquez for being overweight for their fight? Floyd has done a lot of finger pointing and name calling at Manny Pacquiao, but the truth is, Floyd speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Now, in his latest endeavor, the self-proclaimed GOAT wants his opponent to shave off two extra pounds at weigh-in. But wait a minute! Have we missed something? The GOAT needs a handicap? There should be a big collective “Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm” here.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:14 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Yes I know Richard Hall was a PED cheat too. It has no bearing on what I said though.

Lol Brother Hidalgo

I’m going to hit the hay now.. I got tons of preparing for International Vulture Awareness Day to do when I wake up. Only 65 days away and counting now brothers.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:11 am 


PEEJ

Well don’t forget to add the guy that Roy was fighting at the time he did come up dirty came up dirty also.

Posted July 4, 2013 2:03 am 


Hidalgo

“Well said Brother Hidalgo. I’m in full agreement with everything you just said there, especially the part regarding you being in agreement with me.” Damned if I don’t re-agree!

Posted July 4, 2013 2:02 am 


PEEJ

Don’t forget sanctioning bodies take a percent of the purse. Now I’ve said numerous times that I never thought he was on anything. But lets just say he came up dirty, now that’s a lot of money those sanctioning bodies are not getting because he is now suspended and not fighting. Same reason why the WBC doesn’t care is Canelo, Floyd or Oscar ever fought a mandatory. Same reason they told Canelo to chose there belt or his other or he would get stripped yet Canelo still has both belts. Money

Posted July 4, 2013 2:02 am 


Hidalgo

“Most of them are huge cum slurpers of proven cheats like Roid Jones, ‘Two Times’ Toney, Steroid Shane and Lemons PEDerson.”

Then there’s drostanolone Tarver, norandrosterone Berto, and Caesar-love-my-diuretics-and-ganja weed Chavez Jr.?

Posted July 4, 2013 2:01 am 


PEEJ

The reason nobody else cared was because they wanted that payday. Money speaks volumes

Posted July 4, 2013 1:58 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Well said Brother Hidalgo. I’m in full agreement with everything you just said there, especially the part regarding you being in agreement with me.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:58 am 


PEEJ

Funny all Pac had to do was agree to it to call his bluff yet he didn’t. That speaks volumes in itself

Posted July 4, 2013 1:57 am 


PEEJ

So Floyd knew right off the bat if he asked for random testing Pac would refuse with some if the weakest excuses ever? Wow talk about seeing the future

Posted July 4, 2013 1:56 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Proven juicers should be banned for a minimum of three years for their first offence Brother Mongrel, and they should have their licences revoked permanently for a second one.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:55 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

But they did have something to lose Angel.. They had their health to consider, their livelihoods, and possibly even their lives to lose. It was the increased risk of incurring physical damage fighting against an artificially enhanced opponent would bring that was the crux of Floyd’s argument. It was a straight up duck job no ifs or buts. Period.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:41 am 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo, u are right, I have no right to cheer for Money after he smashes this hypejob, ” Ghetto Thug, I was just making a point, but I tell ya, I’d rather see Mayweather fight Trout than Canelo. Not so long ago I said I thought Canelo needed a couple of more years before he was ready to face Floyd. And even though he narrowly beat Trout, I still feel the same way, although some of that two years has already passed. I do know that Canelo will be a much better test for Floyd than Robert Guerrero was (Now there was a hype job). Hopefully we’ll get to see Austin fight Floyd before Floyd’s six-fight contract is completed, because I bet Floyd will retire after fulfilling that contract.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:39 am 


PEEJ

That may be true about Floyd on the drug testing but regardless of his intentions, what he has done has changed the way drug testing is administered. Whether he ment for that to happen or not. And now he is the pioneer of it. Columbus didn’t set out to see if the world was round, he just stumbled apon it.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:35 am 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo…, “And another tough bout with Margarito.”” It was still a tough fight, Tark. Plaster or no, Antonio Margarito is one tough SOB. Sure, Miguel handily beat him, I thought, but Margarito still got to him and did some damage.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:26 am 


Mongrel

I support Floyds stance on randomised testing. Boxing is a dangerous sport and should have the strictest drug testing in sport not the slackest.

It should also sign up to the mandatory bans of 1-2 years. A 3 month ban on a guy who fights every 6 months means nothing.

My issue with Floyd in this situation though is that he didn`t make this demand till the biggest threat he`d ever seen came along and was blasting people out in devastating style.
He didn`t do it to clean up the sport, he did it because he feared what Pacquaio was doing and could only rationalise it through PED accusations.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:25 am 


Hidalgo

“Rapper and actor 50 Cent was charged this week with attacking his ex-girlfriend and trashing her Los Angeles condo, city attorney Mike Feuer said Wednesday. The 37-year-old “In da Club” singer, whose real name is Curtis Jackson, was charged with domestic violence and four counts of vandalism in papers filed Monday. If convicted, he faces up to five years in jail and $46,000 in fines.”

Birds of a feather flock together, huh Floyd? Once a con, always a con.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:22 am 


Angel

Here are some things to consider:

People need to stop getting so emotionally invested in fighters.

when a fighter loses, he is not a bum. It happens. When he gets knocked out, its nothing to laugh about; it happens and it is a lesson of how brutal the sport is.

Fights falling through aren’t always one-sided; both parties can be at fault.

It would have been great to see Tommy Hearns in his prime at 147 because if he was, Pac and Floyd, well….

Posted July 4, 2013 1:07 am 


tachyon

I hate to say it but what Arum is doing is logical he is a business man and you make the most cash controlling the titles. If you think your fighter is about to lose and is forcing your hand have him lose to a boxer you own title stays in stable moves to different fighter you control.

Posted July 4, 2013 1:06 am 


PEEJ

Like 3 years or something like that. To be honest though, I thought Pac won both fights. But I also read something off another website, boxingtalk.com and one of the guys does a mailbag on there, Breadman, he also trains a fighter and he wrote a long time ago that he thought Arum was gonna get Pac beat before they could fight Floyd, and of course you seen that with Bradley who I thought lost and again with Marquez who well you can’t say much but damn.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:56 am 


Angel

PEEJ:

I find it also interesting how people bring up the first Castillo/Floyd fight but fail to WANT to remember that Floyd gave an immediate rematch to Castillo and beat him without controversy.

Now was this the same for Pac and JMM? how long did that take for the first rematch?

Posted July 4, 2013 12:51 am 


PEEJ

Well you keep saying Floyd ducked Pac but Pad ducked Guzman. After what he say Guzman do to Agapito Sanchez he wanted no part of Guzman. Guzman was the real deal in the lighter weight classes. Sanchez almost made Pac quit.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:49 am 


Steve from Florida

Pac vs. Money. Still a good chance this fight can still occur. But, if they do fight, Pac will be 35 and Money 37. Still could be a good tumble, but both cats will be past it, boxing wise. Sure a shame that great fighters rarely fight each other when they are in their physical primes these days.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:49 am 


Angel

Gonzo the Dragonborn :

And this would go with what Paulie M. said: Those guys had nothing to lose. A Fight between Pac and Floyd would be for all the marbles. Who is the best of his generation. Who is going down in history as The Man.

Floyd’s reputation and “O” was at stake. How about the others? Did they have his pedigree? Did they have his popularity and ability to draw $$$$$$$ like he did? NO.

So yes, more fighters under Floyd’s level would be willing to agree to fighting Manny with no extra test because they want to get to that next level.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:46 am 


Angel

Personally, I think Floyd could have followed a Buster Douglas approach with Pac. Use the Jab as the main weapon. You have to keep on your toes (which wasn’t as consistent without Floyd Sr. around). So Jab, keep on your toes, throw combinations off the Jab, and shuffle back but using a hard Jab while doing it to keep Pac from advancing. Use angles, Use movement. Use your reach. Frustrate Pac to diminish his productivity like we’ve seen before.

And Yes, I know Tyson wasn’t conditioned to fight that night but it was still a good fight on Douglas’s part. Tyson, if conditioned and trained properly, would have used his own Jab more consistently with his timing and bothered Douglas. But Pac doesn’t have a quality Jab. Amongst other things.

But anyway…

Posted July 4, 2013 12:44 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Anyone got a list of the fighters who refused to fight Manny (who’s never failed a drug test nor been embroiled in a drug scandal) unless he agreed to undergo additional testing? I got a long list of ones who didn’t if you’re interested, and who actually had the balls to fight him, the vast majority of which weren’t anywhere near as talented as the self-proclaimed ”greatest of all times”

Posted July 4, 2013 12:41 am 


Angel

PEEJ:

It wasn’t the size of Pac that would be of some concern to Floyd; it was style and ability. Ali talked about this: Even though he struggled with Norton, Norton came after Ali declined athletically. But in his prime, despite Norton knowing when Ali threw his Jab, I do think it would have favored Ali a lot more than what we saw.

For styles, Ali thought certain styles would bother him…like Marciano’s. It certainly wasn’t size that would bother him but his style and overall ability. I found this odd because to me, and I’m not a pro boxer, I just don’t see it. But to Ali, who can, it was the unorthodox approach that would bother him. Now does that mean he would lose? I don’t think so. But it would have been difficult if you go by what Ali said.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:40 am 


PEEJ

Exactly but when I bring things like that up in a debate with Pac fans they just can’t see that. The only conclusion they come up with was that Floyd was scared. I find it funny Floyd is fighting bigger guys but yet was scared of someone who had to eat to make 147.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:36 am 


Angel

PEEJ:

That’s who Alex Ariza was blaming….BOB ARUM.

Its interesting that the Cotto and Mayweather fight was going to happen at a future date with Floyd years ago while both were under Arum. Floyd leaves and the fight never gets made.

Cotto later leaves Arum and immediately signs for his biggest purse to date against…..Floyd Mayweather jr.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:29 am 


Angel

tachyon:

Floyd had agreed upon a lot of things and YES, it was down to testing. Floyd even was going to allow a negotiations for a cut-off of a certain amount of days (which was still close to a fight) and Pac said NO; he was adamant about cutting it off sooner. So Floyd said take it or leave it. Pac left it. Floyd took it off the table. And that was that. When Pac wanted to negotiate it more, Floyd just said no; now its back to the full testing protocol (the way it should be) and for some reason, some fans thought Floyd was the problem.

In the end, blame both parties.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:27 am 


Angel

Anonymous:

I agree more with Holyfield in some ways that Pac is difficult because he throws at all different angles. He can throw hard even when off balance. Fighters that are great traditional boxers, thinkers, athletes…like Ali for example, always talk about Marciano would be trouble. Why? Marciano wasn’t fast. He wasn’t even that big. But it was his style. He crouched low and made you come to him. And he threw punches from all different angles in such an unorthodox way, that he could land something you aren’t prepared for because he isn’t traditional.

now is Pac the same as Marciano? not exactly. Marciano, despite the myth build-up, actually was harder to hit “clean.” He said so himself. He tucked his chin and stayed low. When punches landed, they tended to graze off him. So what did you need? TIMING. And of course other things like a Jab, and get there quicker than he can which goes back to timing.
Strategy to beat him, according to D’Amato and I forget who else, was not to box him but to go after him.

Anyway, with Pac, its different in that Pac’s defense still lacks so he can be hit, however, he can also hit you in return because he is ok in the danger zone…that is until he gets smacked around enough and starts to drop in production like we saw with Morales I and all of the JMM fights. And that’s what Floyd does well; he makes you miss and lands his until your production stops. And with his reach, timing, reflexes, JAB, and movement (which is always there when SR. is around), it would be a tough fight for Pac. but you never know with the intensity, speed, and power Pac brings what happens.

If you asked the Fans, it was almost split on who would win. Somewhat in Floyd’s favor but barely.

Now if you asked Pro Trainers and Fighters, the overwhelming majority went for Floyd,

Posted July 4, 2013 12:25 am 


tachyon

Anonymous the first round of negations everyone thought PBF would balk at money and purse split. PBF said sure 50/50 no problem. I only have one request that we both do “both do” RANDOM BLOOD TEST” Pac cried, lied, whined and complained. I’m afraid of needles says the tattooed man, its against my religion, I’m afraid of blood. Oh by the way so long as you let me know the test dates in advance its all good but you say random and I don’t know the test dates in advance the test scare me. Hell Stevie Wonder could see through that smoke screen. Pac wanted no parts of PBF and after JMM knocked Pac to the dark side of the Moon he still wants no part of PBF.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:22 am 


PEEJ

Fact is Arum runs Pacs career and that is mainly because Pac has borrowed large sums of money from Arum and he needed to pay him back so of course Arum would make every call. We can blame both fighters but I put a lot of blame on Arum. Its his way or the highway.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:21 am 


Angel

I find it funny that die hard Pac fans rip Floyd for wanting additional testing and Pac refuses by wanting to negotiate terms on what should be a non-negotiable protocol of testing since you are the athlete…and then all of a sudden when JMM knocks Pac out, JMM is on something. And now Pac wants additional testing.

What gives with the double-standard?

So who is to blame overall?

The Fighters. If Pac wanted it, he should have told Arum to back the F-off and make the fight. And agree to all terms with the additional testing. Especially since Floyd would be doing the same test.

And for Floyd, listen to Richard about bringing in an independent arbitrator to work out the numbers of both sides and come up with a fair percentage/solution instead of a buyout. But since that couldn’t even get going because the drug testing wasn’t agreed upon to the full extent, Floyd couldn’t even take up Richard’s suggestion which I think he would have given the numbers would have been in his favor.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:17 am 


Anonymous

Angel – you make a good point

Posted July 4, 2013 12:16 am 


Anonymous

No no no…. Mayweather didnt want to fight Pacquioa. Although Ive always felt Mayweather would have won anyways. I think Floyd saw, what Mannys speed and power was cable of and just felt like, why risk it. Mayweather could have won but it was too risky and he would have recieved some serious punishment.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:15 am 


Angel

Anonymous:

Manny wanted the fight and so did Floyd. They couldn’t reach agreements with both the financial and testing protocols.

Overall, its interesting how things shape up down the road: Floyd agrees to a catchweight with Canelo despite ripping Pac for it and Pac for his part, now wants additional testing.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:13 am 


Angel

If you want to know what was really happening with Pac and Floyd, just pull up Alex Ariza’s quotes.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:11 am 


Anonymous

Mayweather wanted to fight Manny for a big purse. Manny never wanted to go near Floyd. He would have been outboxed.

Posted July 4, 2013 12:09 am 


Bigrubenn

Wow outweighed by 20 lbs lmao

Posted July 4, 2013 12:08 am 


tachyon

luckily survives the fight against dela hoya, mosely , hatton and cotto? May out weighed by 20 pounds still slaped ODH around like a fool, Dominated Mosley made him look old and ready to retire, Hatton was a joke beat him at his own mma game then KOed his ass, Broke Cotto down then put a foot in his ass. Beat Diego at his best, beat Castillo at his best one one of the great fights of his PBF career. 44 and 0 only a fool would call that luck.

Posted July 3, 2013 11:57 pm 


murderman

I meant to say experience also. My bad

Posted July 3, 2013 11:52 pm 


murderman

So true fellas! Canelo will not be a walk in the part. But floyds skills, defense, n most importantly his skills will get him through this fight

Posted July 3, 2013 11:51 pm 


PEEJ

Yes Mayweather so luckily survived that many fights. Floyd must be the luckiest guy in the world. Sells large amounts of PPVs, the highest paid athlete, undefeated, Champion in mulitiple weight classes. Very very lucky.

Posted July 3, 2013 11:41 pm 


BUSTAJAY

No doubt Lman

Posted July 3, 2013 11:15 pm 


Anonymous

THE JAB!!!!!!

Posted July 3, 2013 11:13 pm 


Lman

Gotta get past Canelo first yourself Floyd, as far as im concerned I see that as a tougher fight then Manny vs Rios..

Posted July 3, 2013 11:12 pm 


BUSTAJAY

3RD TRY

SHHHHHHHHH……MOMENT OF SILENCE……

LORD LET THIS FIGHT HAPPEN BEFORE FLOYD RETIRES……

Please and I know people will say Floyd waited for PAC to be over first ….BS

WE WILL NEVER KNOW WHY THE BIG FIGHT NEVER TOOK PLACE…..Oh 50 said BLA BLA BLA
PAC said BLA BLA BLA….FLOYD said BLA BLA BLA….

Just make it happen

Posted July 3, 2013 11:05 pm 


BUSTAJAY

Posting errors piss me off…..why is this site so retarded on saying Posting too quickly

Posted July 3, 2013 11:02 pm 


PEEJ

Depending on who wins between Lucas and Garcia will be a respectable opponent for Floyd

Posted July 3, 2013 10:39 pm 


murderman

Pac n may will happen late 2014. Here is why! Neither man has anymore option to fight that the public will buy. Two, arum n may, n gbp will all get their heads out their asses n make it work. Cause honestly by then they will have no other choice! At the end of the day its all about dollars n sense! Too bad both guys will be past their prime! Especially pac. Thats y i predict may beats pac easily at this stage of their careers! But it will be bitter sweet cause he will get ripped for not fighting him sooner. Lose, lose for may but at least he will get a huge payday!

Posted July 3, 2013 10:36 pm 


PEEJ

Well me being 33 I feel young as heck and I act like I’m 15. But when I play basketball I feel 118 with my knees and ankles. Lol.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:31 pm 


Breaking News

Not really, only joking.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:28 pm 


Anonymous

Lol…. if its true that Mayweatger injured himself its gonna be funny as hell! Mayweather: ” Im YOUNG, STRONG and rich…” ” ouch ouch ouch…hurt myself” so much for feeling young….hahaha

Posted July 3, 2013 10:23 pm 


PEEJ

Not saying its true or false but Dan Rafael sucks

Posted July 3, 2013 10:19 pm 


TARK

Hidalgo…, “And another tough bout with Margarito.”

Nope.., Without his plaster Cheato wasn’t tough.. Cotto won every round… he closed Cheato’s eye tight as a drum — and he would have knocked Cheato kicking the way Mosley did if the referee didn’t stop it with Cheato’s right eye sealed shut..

After all.. Cotto beat a younger Mosley than the one who flattened Cheato.

i.e. plasterless Cheato.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:13 pm 


Breaking News

Dan Rafael, nothing confirmed.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:09 pm 


Tomato Can

Peej, it doesn’t matter what the number of PPV’s were for the Guerrero fight, as long as you go with whoever says the least amount you’ll be right. Really though only a twit nit picker would care.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:06 pm 


Breaking News

Fights off until at least November, Mayweather has injured his shoulder.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:03 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Hidalgo, u are right, I have no right to cheer for Money after he smashes this hypejob, Im not so excited for this, what excites me the most is the haters´ reaction after Money does his job and the Katrina sized rain of excuses will appear in the aftermath. So suddenly will show up another though guy who Money is ducking, this could be GGG, Sergio Mtz, Danny Garcia, Tomato Khan or someone else. Haters are lame.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:02 pm 


Bigrubenn

Agree
I think this fight was kind of forced in both parties. Takes time to get ready time to promote time to train and with showtimes contract with FM no other fighter was going to bring ppv buys other than canelo.

Posted July 3, 2013 10:00 pm 


PEEJ

Well Hidalgo that’s a good thing about being a supervisor. As long as I get my work done and do my job, I can post a comment or 2. Lol

Posted July 3, 2013 9:58 pm 


PEEJ

Well with both Ortiz and Guerrero he sold a mil or more. Now people can claim whatever writer said it did less than a mil. That’s fine. I’m going with what the VP of Showtime said. And until he says something different that’s what I will stick with

Posted July 3, 2013 9:57 pm 


Anonymous

Yea I dont agree with that whole nonsense about people buying Mayeathers fights to see him lose, just look, at his last numbers with Guerrero, Ortiz…. he usually needs a dance partner to rake in the PPV buys.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:47 pm 


Hidalgo

” If Ghetto Thug thinks Canelo is a ‘bum’ then what right does he have to cheer Mayweather beating him? ” Valid point there, Pugsly.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:42 pm 


Hidalgo

“I am at work and can’t respond as quick as I would like.” LOL! Peej? I’m gonna telllll……….LMAO!

Posted July 3, 2013 9:41 pm 


Boxer

Another thing is Floyd don’t say pacman is over caus you still won’t fight him, over the hill you say, oh you mean like Shane, cotto,and de la Hoya were?

Posted July 3, 2013 9:40 pm 


von Pugsly

All the same there’s more excitement in a single round in one of Manny’s fights than an entire Floyd fight. One thing you can say about Manny is that he was never afraid to fight the best. Floyd avoided a few challenges along the way because at times he was more concerned about preserving his 0 than taking on the best. Seeing Manny laid out on the canvas is pretty pathetic but it’s only half as pathetic as the Mayweather-cheerleading trolls who feel it’s necessary to denigrate other fighters in order to valorize their man. If Ghetto Thug thinks Canelo is a ‘bum’ then what right does he have to cheer Mayweather beating him? I mean, what’s so good about beating a ‘bum’? But I guess elementary logic isn’t characteristic of the ghetto and the trolls lurking there…

Posted July 3, 2013 9:39 pm 


Boxer

Ok so I’m not really a pacman fan but I do see things for what they are, first of all yea pacquiao vs Bradley was close caus PAC fist were on Bradley’s face all night, so he didn’t knock him out big deal he still whooped him, but for My man money to say he’s done c’mon again I’m a Floyd fan but I see things for what they are and I hate to say it but pacman fought everyone and anyone they out in front of him, Floyd didn’t just facts.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:37 pm 


Hidalgo

“Wow. Cotto after Margo’s beating?” Bigrubenn, you mean after Margo’s and Pacquiao’s beatings, don’t you? Cotto was thoroughly hammered twice before Mayweather fought him And then a fairly taxing fight with Clottey and another tough bout with Margarito. The Cotto aura had long since been dimmed by the time he stepped into the ring to face Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:37 pm 


PEEJ

I actually wrote my post and then I had to walk around for a bit and I forgot to click the say it button. I actually should of been the first post on here. I am at work and can’t respond as quick as I would like.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:34 pm 


the sweet scientist

You haters talk all that mess about may,but you buy all his fights hoping he would lose.money is to good and after he schools canelo everyone is going to say Alvarez is a bum.but he is not its just Mayweathers too damn good….put canelo and PAC in a fight Alvarez would whoop his ass …ez money

Posted July 3, 2013 9:34 pm 


PEEJ

Hidalgo I can agree with you on that.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:33 pm 


pugfan

if Manny’s career is over he will save a seat for Floyd in the HOF.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:28 pm 


Hidalgo

“I have never said he was a hype job” Well Peej, you were the third person to post after Ghetto Thug called Pacquiao a hype job and you were the second person to respond to his post in which you said, “I would agree unless he can prove otherwise against Rios.’ So that’s why I assumed you were agreeing with Ghetto Thug that Manny was a hype job.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:25 pm 


Bigrubenn

Getto thug
If you basing your opinion on a “0″ record you right. How many of MWs last opponents were competitive opponents for him? Guerrero? Wow. Cotto after Margo’s beating? ( still got a comfy split D) washed up DLH or Mosley?? JMM haha ( had to come over weight for that one uf) Judah? List goes on…

Posted July 3, 2013 9:23 pm 


Hidalgo

“First time negotiations went around the fight was signed, money was agreed aponed and Pac didn’t want to take the random test. ” Peej, it is highly likely that Bob Arum and Manny’s advisor Michael Koncz had great influence on Manny’s decision not to take the random testing. Bob Arum is a vindictive, selfish man, and it is widely thought throughout the boxing world that he cannot or will not work with Floyd Mayweather Jr. or GBP. As for Manny making excuses, etc. I agree with you on that. Like I’ve always said all Manny had to do was say, “No, I’m not going to take the testing,” but instead he tripped all over himself making excuses and that’s what caused a lot of the doubt about whether he took Peds. I lost confidence in Manny Pacquiao’s word a long time ago. I also lost confidence in Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s word a long ago. These two ATGs and “super champions” wouldn’t make the most-desired-fight-in-the-world happen. In my mind they are both equally at fault.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:21 pm 


Ghetto Thug

anonymous “Actually its the Mayweather fans girls, his supporters like yourself calling Canelo ” a DelaHoya poormans version”… LMAO AGAIN Money fans are fangirls but Punkcquiao and Cinnabum fans are real though hombres jejejeje

Posted July 3, 2013 9:12 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Bigrubenn, u forgot to mention that Punkcquiao got put to sleep 3 times also, besides several of his “titles” were against guys coming from big loses and in catchweights in his favor plus several gifted desicions, this is THE HYPEJOB OF THE DECADE!!!

Posted July 3, 2013 9:09 pm 


Anonymous

Ghetto thug- Actually its the Mayweather fans girls, his supporters like yourself calling Canelo ” a DelaHoya poormans version” dont get the two mixed up, its ok thats what happens when u have your head so far up Mayweathers ass, you lose oxygen to the brain son…

Posted July 3, 2013 9:05 pm 


Mex

n all realness I thought home boy Pac was dead…lmao

Posted July 3, 2013 9:04 pm 


PEEJ

No way was Floyd scared. Pac and his promoter where scared because of the way Morales boxed Pac and the way that Marquez countered Pac. And Floyd does both way better than Morales or Marquez.

Posted July 3, 2013 9:03 pm 


Bigrubenn

I just don’t see how FM is bigger than paqs. Who has the most titles at different divisions? Not only that but the way he finished his opponents better resume if you ask me plus with the trilogies going on. I just don’t see how a fighter is so great with that many split Ds

Posted July 3, 2013 9:03 pm 


murderman

Floyd better hope pac is not done! May beats canelo then he has no other fight options the public will buy. Hopefully pac looks good against rios n may vs pac could be still a posibility. If rios beats pac then he is done. Then pac,may, n arum will all regret missing out on millions! But thats what happens when too many big egos are trying to do buisness!

Posted July 3, 2013 8:59 pm 


badger

maywether avoided pac for years

Posted July 3, 2013 8:58 pm 


The Truth

Pacquiao got on with his career, fighting Marquez for example, knew he could counter his style, and might lose, big risk, but did not avoid Marquez.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:57 pm 


Ghetto Thug

“Canelo is a poor mans delahoya.” LMAO… Before this fight was signed most of the haters were saying Money was ducking this hypejob, now that fight has been signed and canelo´s rear is in death row with a scheduled execution for sept 14th suddenly is nothing but an inexperienced young kid… LMAO AGAIN

Posted July 3, 2013 8:54 pm 


PEEJ

And I can break down Pacs record as well and name fighters he ducked or fighters he fought that where not in there prime but he gets all types of credit for. That is easy to do. But like I said I think he is an all time great fighter. Greater than Floyd well you can debate that if you like, I don’t think so but that is just my opinion, but don’t put words in my mouth.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:53 pm 


The Truth

Mayweather avoided Pacquiao, why would Pacquiao avoid Mayweather, Mayweather avoided the fight, and he made sure by all means neccessary, it’s obvious Mayweather did not want to fight Pacquiao.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:52 pm 


PEEJ

Hidalgo I never said he was a hype job. I said he was an all time great and I never thought he was on anything. I have never said he was a hype job

Posted July 3, 2013 8:51 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Mayweather is the best ever, too bad many morons dont know a sh!+ about boxing and cant appreciate it

Posted July 3, 2013 8:49 pm 


Anonymous

Ghetto thug is a Mayweather fangirl princess in reality. He puts on one leotard at a time like all the other Mayweather fangirls.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:42 pm 


Hidalgo

Peej how in the hell can you, Dino, or anyone else say without sounding totally foolish that Pacquiao was a hype job? The guy won 8 world championship titles. Not one, not two. Eight. EIGHT. Hype jobs can’t do that. Perhaps if Mayweather didn’t need to sucker punch or cheat on his weight to win, or if he really did fight the best opponent available all the time, he might be a more believable champion as well. Mayweather has some hype-aura to dispel as well. Manny Pacquiao was no hype job. He may not have been the best welterweight that ever lived, But his world titles speak for themselves.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:42 pm 


PEEJ

First time negotiations went around the fight was signed, money was agreed aponed and Pac didn’t want to take the random test. He could of simply said no, especially at the time because he was huge. He declined and made up excuses on why he couldn’t take the test. That is what happened plain and simple. Funny how they are accusing Marquez of using PEDs after being KOd. That is ok though. And funny how he is requesting the same type of random drug test from Rios that was asked of him. So really that argument can’t be used anymore because after the KOd Hatton and Cotto he was accused and after him being KOd he starts accusing.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:42 pm 


Hidalgo

“It was a matter of time to witness this hypejob being exposed, next one to be exposed is canelo alvarez” If Pacquiao was such a hype job, how come Mayweather never made the fight happen? Try to remember, Ghetto Thug, The whole state of Nevada stepped aside so Floyd could fight last year instead of going to jail when he was supposed to. If Floyd really would have wanted to fight Pacquiao, he could have made the fight happen. But he didn’t, so he didn’t. BTW fool, NOBODY with 8 world championship titles is a “hype job.”

Posted July 3, 2013 8:39 pm 


Anonymous

The jab Canelo, use it!

Posted July 3, 2013 8:36 pm 


Hidalgo

“Mayweather told the fans that he saw Pacquiao as an over-the-hill fighter,” Big words from a guy who just wouldn’t find a way to make a fight with Manny Pacquiao. BTW Floyd, you couldn’t have KOd Manny Pacquiao like Marquez did if your life depended on it.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:36 pm 


forreal

PEDman may not be done yet…but expect more sleeping beauty pictures like the one included in the article if he decides to continue fighting the top dogs!!

Posted July 3, 2013 8:36 pm 


The Truth

Mayweather accused Pacquiao of taking PEDS, forget Arum, Mayweather knew that would stop the fight in it’s tracks, accuse Pacquiao of cheating, that will insult Pacquiao, avoid the fight.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:32 pm 


PEEJ

Chicago Guy, you are wrong, they are asking him about Pac so he is responding. He has not once brought Pacs name up until a reporter or fan says something about him.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:20 pm 


PEEJ

Funny how there was no talk of PEDs till Marquez KOd Pac. Sorry but that is a lame excuse. And like I have said many times I never thought and still don’t think Pac was on anything. But the fact that he just didn’t say no, he actually made up a few excuses makes folks think something else. And lets not forget the out door stadium Arum was talking about building. lol

Posted July 3, 2013 8:19 pm 


Anonymous

The jab is key to victory like Delahoya pointed out. Forget studying Castillo, instead Canelo should look at Cottos fight and how effectively the jab worked for him.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:16 pm 


The Truth

Styles make fights, Pacquiao would of beat Mayweather, and Mayweather the Boxer knew it, I don’t want none of those punches.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:08 pm 


The Truth

After the Hatton fight, it was a big show, Pacquiao is on PEDS, test him, they knew that would insult Pacquiao, so Pacquiao thought, don’t insult me, don’t tell what to do, Mayweather knew that would happen, well done Mayweather, put a spanner in the works, avoided Pacquiao.

Posted July 3, 2013 8:05 pm 


Chicago guy

Correction:
Floyd jr. is not a great fighter of avoiding the real challenge. He is a great ducker hahahahaha

Posted July 3, 2013 7:57 pm 


Chicago guy

As usual Floyd the shame face of boxing is using/mentioning again the name of Pacquiao just to hype his fight against Alvarez.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:55 pm 


Bigrubenn

I got manny by late ko against rios. He had plenty of time to recover and recoup. His last fight against JMM he was winning and hurting JMM just look at JMMs face after just 5 rounds no way he was gonna go to distance If he would of take more punishment like that. But that’s what a perfect time straight counter Mexican punch does to you all day baby

Posted July 3, 2013 7:54 pm 


The Truth

Mayweather is a great fighter, but he is known for avoiding the Pacquiao fight, famous for that, or infamous.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:54 pm 


The Truth

There was no talk of PEDS, until Pacquiao knocked out a strong Hatton, then it was PEDS, accuse Pacquiao of taking PEDS, that will put a spanner in the works, Mayweather should of just got the fight on, he avoided the Pacquiao fight, not the promers, Arum, it was Mayweather and co.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:51 pm 


hecdog

Manny Pacquio

Posted July 3, 2013 7:49 pm 


PEEJ

Pac fans will never believe that. They think Floyd ducked Pac which is just rediculous. Heck if they want to say that, Pac ducked Guzman. After he saw what Guzman did to Agapito Sanchez, Pac wanted no part of him. Sanchez almost had Pac quitting.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:48 pm 


Tomato Can

How many times does Arum have to be caught in lies before fans realize he was always the obstacle in that fight getting made?

Posted July 3, 2013 7:44 pm 


The Truth

Very good chance of getting beat or knocked out, Pacquiao was too dangerous.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:42 pm 


Tomato Can

Exactly…

Posted July 3, 2013 7:41 pm 


The Truth

Maywether should of fought Pacquiao, but avoided the fight, did want none of Pacquiao, he saw it, Boxers know.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:40 pm 


PEEJ

They will never fight as long as Arum is in the picture. He runs Pacs career. So the fight will never come off

Posted July 3, 2013 7:37 pm 


Tomato Can

PAC can comeback but I bet his chin is shattered. He’ll beat Rios, unless Rios can defend and land shots on Manny. I doubt that’ll be the case, but if Rios can keep it close, watch out.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:31 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah Floyd is above Pac in all time greatness. Pac is a great fighter but him being KOd by Marquez, someone Floyd easily handled. I know styles make fights but that was just a really easy fight for Floyd. Not to mention Pac lost to an unknown when he was KO’d a while ago and then got boxed by Morales. Now Morales is not even close to the boxer Floyd is and he won hands down. So that makes me think even more that Floyd would have easily beat Pac. Then you have the whole drug testing thing. The drug test that Pac declined to do, but it is not the simple fact of him declining, it was how he declined. He made up a bunch of excuses when he should of simply said no. I don’t believe he was on anything but it does make you think with all the excuses he came up with. And yes yes you Pac fans will say well he finally did agree and Floyd came up with a money demand. Well of course Floyd was gonna take a big piece of the pie. He is the main attraction now, he is the one breaking PPV records, he is the one out selling Pac. So of course he is gonna take a bigger piece of the pie. Plain and simple.
And then you also throw Arum in the picture, we should of already knows that this fight was never gonna come off. Only time Golden Boy and Top Rank do business is if there is a mandatory position and they out bid the other for the fight.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:28 pm 


Tomato Can

That’s Arums hope, he’s putting manny in with someone who blocks punches with his face. But the reality is fighting guys like that won’t help Manny with the likes of Marquez or Mayweather. Infant Manny could beat 3 Rios type fighters in a row in dramatic fashion, but all that would do is set fans up for the big let down, cause Mayweather would school him. Too much ring smarts…

Posted July 3, 2013 7:27 pm 


Tomato Can

Yup, Manny got laid out by a Mayweather, retread.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:21 pm 


Tomato Can

If Manny was fighting Canelo it would be at 150 or below. Heck Manny fought a dehydrated war torn fighter at 150 for a vacant title, and fans like Insane Shane bought it hook line and sinker. Now look at them go.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:19 pm 


Bill

Yes Shane and Manny has never fought anybody who was weight drained.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:19 pm 


TARK

If Pacquiao beats Rios he’s right back in the mix for a Floyd fight…

Don’t count him out just yet… He has the heart of a champion.

I don’t think he’ll beat Floyd — but he CAN hit.. He has a better chance than Hatton or Ortiz.

Posted July 3, 2013 7:18 pm 


???

as usually, Mayweather was waiting long enough until somebody else do the hardest job instead of him

Posted July 3, 2013 7:17 pm 


Shane

He is fighting a weight drained flawed fighter with stamina issues due to making154. So FMJ wants to weaken him more just to make sure. This fight is a fraud. Canelo has zero shot. Manny would easily beat Canelo too, the replay of the AM fight. Hype, no substance and ppl are still giving FMJ props for taking the fight. That is how bad he cherry picks…lmfao

Posted July 3, 2013 7:02 pm 


Tomato Can

True, Mayweather should pull a Pacquiao for a change, and fight a guy coming off a couple of losses, like Pacquiao. Good idea….

Posted July 3, 2013 7:01 pm 


Cheese cake in Montreal

see the photo hecdog manny sucking the graphite off the canvas that was his last performance , not a great way to wind down your career !!!

Posted July 3, 2013 6:59 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Nobody was happier to see Pac walk into that huge counter punch than Floyd, who never had the guts to step in the ring with him to try and do that himself.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:59 pm 


Shane

Well if Pac is that bad off he is perfect for Floyd now. Just like he likes them and what he was waiting for. He outright ducked when he was blowing guys away. You wouldn’t fight him….so STFU ..YOU DONT GET CREDIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE’S WORK.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:56 pm 


Hecdog

Floyd Mayweather is so full of jealousy, envy and evil hatred at the mere mention of the greatest fighter of all time, Manny Pacquiao. The living Legend Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao. Floyd lives with so much regret for running, hiding and staying as far away from Manny Pacquiao when he had the chance to fight him. Everywhere Floyd looks, Manny’s face is right in front of him. More PPV, More fans, More Sponsors, More Exciting fights, More Hit songs, More Hit Movies, More Presidential visits and so on. The evil comes out of Mayweather because he looks to destroy Manny in the publics eye, something he could never do inside the boxing ring. Floyd’s spits his venom for anyone to hear. The problem is that people have to much love for Manny Pacquiao. Manny is a caring, loving, decent, humble, honest, sincere, giving, God loving man. On the other hand, Floyd only has his money and his tarnished boxing record. The writer says Mayweather seemed a little annoyed by mention of Pacquiao’s name. Hmm……I wonder why. Floyd hates the Fighter of the Decade because he will never get the adoration that Manny Pacquiao receives. Further more, it irks Floyd to know that the living legend will fight again in what is the most anticipated event in history. There is more attention on Manny’s return fight and he never has to run around the Country trying to sell it. Manny is the most recognized face in the world, and Floyd hates that. For the sake of argument, if they had fought in their primes, Manny’s speed, power, athleticism, stamina, courage and fighting heart would have annihilated Floyd. You’re talking about a force of nature that does more damage in a round than most tsunamis. Floyd would never have been able to do anything to Manny. Ped Man Marquez was asked who is faster and who hits harder. Marquez without hesitation said Manny Pacquiao. I have studied their fights closely over time, and I am certain without a doubt that Manny Pacquiao would have knocked out Floyd Mayweather. As the majority of fans know, Manny Pacquiao is fighting again. Their calendars are marked. Vacation or sick days are scheduled. Life is going to slow down for a minute when the return of the king of the ring Manny Pacquiao makes his triumphant return. Fans know the fight will be exciting and will always live up to it’s billing unlike Floyd’s boring, uneventful, falling asleep fights. Floyd, don’t let people see your true jealous, envious and evil ways. Remember, you’re talking about the only 8 time division champion in history. The best ever.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:55 pm 


Anonymous

He fought the corpse of mosley and was almost kod in the third. A prime mosley beats him everyday of the week and twice on sunday.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:52 pm 


Anonymous

Floyd will forever be known for ducking pac and thats it. Anybody with a pulse he avoids until there over the hill. Canelo is a poor mans delahoya.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:46 pm 


Ghetto Thug

FMJ is just saying that because he outright annihilated JMM who BLASTED PacMan and doesn’t want to fight him anymore.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:38 pm 


BUSTAJAY

I did not think PAC looked as badly in the Bradley fight as they are saying. I don’t think he is done but the next fight will tell the story.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:37 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

FMJ is just saying that because he outright DUCKED PacMan for years and still doesn’t want to fight him.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:34 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Mayweather beat this hypejob

Posted July 3, 2013 6:32 pm 


steve

Canelo beat this thug

Posted July 3, 2013 6:31 pm 


PEEJ

I would agree unless he can prove otherwise against Rios. But If this is the same Pac that fought Bradley or hasn’t recovered against that shot Marquez delivered then Rios KO’s Pac. If it is the Pac that was there for the first few rounds against Marquez in the 4th fight or before Bradley then he should be able to handle Rios. I am taking Rios by late KO.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:29 pm 


Anonymous

Mayweather is a protected fighter, he will get exposed by Canelo.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:22 pm 


Dino

I agree to some point, lets see what Pacman has against Rios and then take it from there. He should show bounce back guts, heart and hunger if not Rios will expose it. Then we can say to a certain degree that maybe Pacman should hang them up.

Posted July 3, 2013 6:16 pm 


Ghetto Thug

It was a matter of time to witness this hypejob being exposed, next one to be exposed is canelo alvarez

Posted July 3, 2013 6:09 pm 


Anonymous

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Posted July 3, 2013 6:08 pm 



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