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Red Ryan

I stopped reading after the first few lines , He said this, that guy said that. AHH GROW UP AND HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION MORON!!!!!!!

Posted November 18, 2012 1:27 pm 


Anonymous

RJJ was the best sm ever,nobody close,james tooney and joe c can share second,Ward is still a home town fighter who could make more money fighting in denmark or England,but that means taking a real risk of loosing.

Posted November 8, 2012 9:26 pm 


danny

I honestly dont know who would have won between ward and calzagghi but any one who says calzagghi was not great is a liar. Every time he beat a guy they say the guy was to old chris eubank 32 lacey was a killer before the fight then lacey was to young 28. charles brewer a very tough philla fighter who fought and lost to callzaghi yrs ago said I spar with hopkins and fought calzagghi . brewer said cazaghi will beat Hopkins. Hopkins was a middle weight and calzaghi was a super middle .hopkins always said he was a middleweight and stayed there. then hopkins went to light heavy weight beat traver in a upset . hopkins was then ranked number 1 or 2 in that joke lbs for lbs thing . when joe faced and beat hopkins. hopkins had just come off a fight twhere he beat traver. Joe beats hopkins then all of a sudden hopkins was old next fight hopkins beats pavlick then there is no mention of hopkins age. calzaghii beats kessler then kesslers really not that good despite the fact kessler beat very tough froch since . people still fear bika joe faced and beat him . jones was pat his prime and joe destroyed him as he should have no one ever said jones picked and chosse who he fought and he did. I see some people saying the same thing about ward he only fights at home dawson was weight drained fact is there both undefeated champs and that makes them great despite all the excuses and crying from others

Posted November 8, 2012 12:08 am 


Dash

So, you scoured the depths of your shallow mind and decided that the best way to tackle someone playing the race card was to allude to stereotypes. Genius.

Posted October 31, 2012 3:41 am 


Dash

He didn’t discuss it after the first sentence. He spoke a bout another issue.

Posted October 31, 2012 3:37 am 


Dash

Ward needs more experience??? Ward’s resume is already better than Calzaghe because Ward has fought more top quality prime fighters. Calzaghe never stopped anyone of note so I don’t know what logic brought you to the conclusion that he’d stop Ward. Calzaghe could adapt but if he was so smart he would not have got dropped by those faded versions of Bhop and Roy in the fashion that he did. Calzaghe wasn’t the type of fighter to set traps, his style was different. Seriously …

Posted October 31, 2012 3:32 am 


Tachyon

Ward would win better technically and more power. Joe was good Ward is great.

Posted October 21, 2012 11:50 am 


danny

any one who says joe was not a great fighter is liar but ward would be a hard fight for any super middle weight ever

Posted September 18, 2012 9:28 pm 


Tom

why are you discussing it then? if you wanted to make your point stop after your first sentence!!

Posted September 14, 2012 9:05 am 


Anonymous

Ward would be completely out-classed or annihilated. There’s two ways to fight Joe Calzaghe: 1 – the stupid way, the last guy who tried to actually stop Joe Calzaghe got dropped within 10 seconds and stopped the same round. Joe throws up to 9 punches a second, watch his speed video, that’s why he loves a two-fisted tare-up, so that’s not the way you fight him, you try that approach and fight his fight you’re stupid and you’ll lose, 2 – the clever way, you have to out-think him, or try to like Hopkins did and Ward isn’t that smart yet. Btw, can you imagine if Calzaghe was American, all this fuss over Ward already lol. Lets see Ward beat Hopkins or better yet, make your 20+ defenses and then in 10 years if you’re undisputed and undefeated we’ll talk again, Calzaghe is way too smart and I think Ward would be too head strong, he’d fall into the trap and try to stop Joe, which is why I say Ward would’nt last the fight. If Calzaghe was Peak like in ’02 or ’03 when Hopkins ducked him and Jones Jr went North, Ward wouldn’t go the first few rounds and he’s not smart enough to out-think Joe, he needs more experience.

Posted September 12, 2012 1:38 am 


knuckeduster

Apparently nobody knows who joe calzaghe is in America, yet there is +200 comments about him on here lol

In my opinion Ward will find himself in an era like calzaghe where there is nobody of any superstar staus around to fight. I commend Ward for picking the best fight out there since he won the super 6, but where does he go now?

Dawson was considered no 1 at light heavy, cant see ward stepping up as he doesn’t have the frame to carry it off. Cant see anyone coming through the ranks. Dirrell might be a good match up, that guy has bags of talent but I know he is making a low key comeback and might want to slowly build up to world title fight.

Forget Froch, that guy got made to look silly, why go there again? Kessler could be interesting as I saw something of his old self when he beat Froch.

Anyway, Calzaghe v Ward would be something special, but 4 years out of the game, he would never make super middle weight again. If he did come back it would be ward calling calzaghe out of retirement, which only means big money and calzaghe caling the shots!

Posted September 11, 2012 11:18 am 


SANDMAN

J.C. in his prime beats Ward. Too fast, too awkward, too much Joe. Dawson is decent, but by far his best career moment was beating Adamek years ago. He’s been very average since. People are talking about Ward because he’s “today” and that’s normal, but Joe was in a class by himself. The only guy to beat J.C. would be Roy Jones jr. in his prime and that would still be one helluva fight.

Posted September 11, 2012 1:19 am 


JUn

Better watch the post fight of Chalzaghe vs Jones. Whan jones says I thought the slapping punches can’t hurt me, but it hurts me..lol

Posted September 11, 2012 12:46 am 


JUn

It’s not the knockdown that counts in every chalzaghe fights. He comes back and win it. No one beat chalzaghe in stamina and work rate. I guess boxin g experts will agree. Ward is good but nothing special about him.

Posted September 11, 2012 12:44 am 


JUn

Yeah, Your Right. Beating overhyped dawson is a big deal for Ward fans. I tell you Ward can also beat Jean pascal. But, no way hell beat RJJ or chalzaghe or even hopkins. Chalzaghe is now laughing.

Posted September 11, 2012 12:40 am 


JUn

Joe will beat Froch, If Joe will return. I want Joe to un retired and fight Ward. I guess that the best match up. If ward has cleaner and harder punches. Joe is hard to hit with his movement, and throws a different combination. Jeff Lacy is the Americas name to schooled and beat Chalzaghe. But Chalzage put on a clinic. No one beats Chalzage in work rate, stamina.

Posted September 11, 2012 12:34 am 


Tachyeon

Ward throws much sharper, cleaner, and harder punches than Joe. I see the fight going the same way as Froch vs Ward. What made Joe great was excellent stamina, high punch output, and good chin. I don’t think those things would help him against Ward. A better match up I would like to have seen is Froch vs Joe.

Posted September 10, 2012 10:24 pm 


JUn

Chalzage will beat Hopkins and Ward even in there prime. I just doubting Joe vs Jr jones in thier prime. It’s 50/50 split. Chalzage is unknown in the US, but men hes avoidable in his prime. Jones and chalzaghe don’t want to fight in thier primes due to risk fighting each other. They are both good. Ward has no chance beating this guy in their prime.

Posted September 10, 2012 9:59 pm 


JUn

Chalzaghe is too fast in his prime against Ward. I am no Joe fan, but I tell you most of the boxing will agree with me that joe will beat ward in his prime. Maybe even if chalzaghe will return and fight him. Joe has an awesome work rate in all his fights. Jr Jones said after the fight, i thought he has no power with his slapping punches, but it’ hurts me. Joe has this cat like senses, he is hard to hit, he has awesome toes to move in and out. For me, Ward is just good but I don’t see him special. Dawson is just all hyped fighter, his division is lacked of competition. Dawson is overhyped fighter, even jean pascal. Tell you guys I am a no Joe fan, but hes actaull special than Ward in my point of View.

Posted September 10, 2012 9:52 pm 


Boxtradamus

arroyo bob-Nope. Losing the Fight shows weakness. And Ward hasn’t done that yet.

Posted September 10, 2012 8:08 pm 


TARK

@ arroyo bob…. You take what your opponent gives you.. Dawson said he was so anxious for the fight that he’d come down to 168, which would be “no problem” for him.. Another reason Ward stayed at 168, there are still Pavlik, and possible fights with Martinez and Golovkin before he moves up.. He’d be leaving money on the table if he moved up now.

Posted September 10, 2012 7:15 pm 


Boxtradamus

Ward has done something that Calzaghe and Roy will NEVER do and that is stop a Top 10 P4P opponent. WOW!!

Posted September 10, 2012 6:31 pm 


TARK

I dig ya… Hopkins is Top-10 all time in my book.. Jones is Top-15.. Ward is Top-10.. Calzaghe is Top-30.

Posted September 10, 2012 4:50 pm 


B Red

Hopkins in my book is all time , Top twenty great in pugilistic history, ya dig

Posted September 10, 2012 4:12 pm 


Boxing Barlow

Wrong! he was offer 3 million by Warren, agreed to it, then asked for 5! Hopkins welched out of that fight not the Calzaghe camp.

Posted September 10, 2012 4:11 pm 


TARK

Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe at 168 but they changed the money on him.. This goes on a lot. They lure you in with one figure, then say, “Oops, we can’t go 10-million after all. How about 3-million? How often have you made that much in one night? Is it still a go?” Well…not really — because what’s the next figure you’re going to come back with? “Oops, we can’t do 3?”

Posted September 10, 2012 3:52 pm 


Boxing Barlow

The best example I can give of the Hopkins Vrs Calzaghe fight is this. When I play snooker against my dad, if a play a very safe long game, leaving him nothing but long shots, taking no risks myself, I can make the game look a lot closer than it is. i never win but keep him from scoring big and therefore at the end of the game the score looks closer than it is. Its my way of making it difficult for him. BUT I NEVER WIN USING THIS TACTIC, If I play a normal game and attempt an opo
en game, he rips me to pieces. Why? Because he a much better player than me. This was the same tactics used by Hopkins. He is a an fox with enough skills to make it difficult still for even the best of opponents. Buts that where it ends. He can make it look difficult. If he had come to fight Joe would have given hima serious beating.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:30 pm 


B Red

Alot of you guys dont know diddley squat about boxing. Joe did not school Bhop. He didnt land any flush punches in the fight and got his ass dropped. Joe dismantled the shell of his former self Roy Jones. Joe was a great fighter, no doubt about it…… The bottom line is this Imo, Ward beats Joe, but loses to Roy in his Prime.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:30 pm 


Boxing Barlow

Agreed, who cares if a fighter is dropped as long as they get up and put on a dominant display. The judge who scored than fight to Hopkins was corrupt IMO. It was clear for everyone to see the only fighter that had come to fight was Calzaghe.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:23 pm 


Used to be Daly jr but my posts kept getting deleted!!!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmmmmmm

Posted September 10, 2012 3:22 pm 


Boxing Barlow

With regards to Hopkins and Jones maybe being past their best when they fought Calzaghe, for me its no excuse. Its pretty common knowledge neither had any interest in fighting Calzaghe in his prime, Hopkins prefering to take on blown up welters for mega money, and Jones taking on also rans at light heavy. Calzaghe presented too much risk for no real reward, You cant wait until you are passed your best then use it as an excuse to why you lost. And it dont even make sense when it comes to Hopkins when you see the fighters he has beat since the Calzaghe fight, Hopkins has maybe had a better career after he m,oved up from middle weight.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:21 pm 


HRP

I cannot pickup Ward over Jones at 168. Jones did at 168 what Ward has just did now. He cleaned the division multiple times over. Having said that, Jones never fought abroad or even an overseas fighter at his peak. Hence there was a lot of posturing that went between him and european fighters.

Cannot say much about Calzaghe either. He fought primarily overseas. But a few things to note. He was at the top of his game for 10 years. He fought fighters of almost three generations starting from Eubank to Kessler. Jeff Lacy was considered a monster and Calzaghe completely destroyed. Lacy was never the same fighter after that.

Froch fought and won the world-championship after losing to Ward. Now that could be reflection on Froch vis-a-vis Lacy or Ward vis-a-vis Calzaghe.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:03 pm 


TARK

Roy Jones was on of the best ever… I still don’t believe he could have beaten Ward.. Jones didn’t avoid Michalczewski, but he did avoid Tarver for a while.. Not a good style for Roy, and neither is Ward because of the way he can keep pressure on you and is so difficult to hit.

Posted September 10, 2012 2:17 pm 


Jvincy

Calzaghe has a good defence? Yeah ok.

Posted September 10, 2012 1:54 pm 


lionzion

SREDMOND- sorry dude but you come across as an ignorant dude with a chip on his shoulder, blaming everyone else for his position in life (sound typical of a certain type of person in our society?!!!!!) Anyone white you hate (Klitschkos, Calzaghe, anyone).
You are full of rage and jealousy. You are just a dumb cun..t (not untypical).

Posted September 10, 2012 1:39 pm 


Cornelius Turner

Still laughing. Read someone say Hopkins, at age 27 or 28 and with 21 fights was still developing. As if RJJ who was a lot younger and with fewer fights was polished. I mean we can say neither was polished can’t we? And the diminishing of John Ruiz is comical. So basically RJJ was handed the title from a bum. Funny, no one else looked good against Ruiz. Even heavyweights struggled to look good against him. Lastly, to the person who said Tarver and Glen Johnson were older; yes they were. They were older. But that does not take away the argument that from age like 19-35 RJJ never lost a round. And people forget; RJJ won the first fight vs. Tarver basically running on E and he showed plenty of toughness. I’m just asking folks not to be the “Johnny Come Lately” person who dogs someone when they lose and forgets the almost 20 years of domination where no one could touch them. Fighters tried to pressure RJJ… they got KO’d trying it. Fighters did try to take away his space, box him, use their size, etc, etc, etc, etc and none of it worked because he was THAT good. RJJ was hit on the chin before Tarver hit him… he didn’t go down. So again, this “he has a glass chin” stuff is the recent stuff. But the bulk of his career does not say he is what the “Johnny Come Lately” crowd says he is.

So let me get this straight. If Ward gets KO’d when he is 35, 36…are you going to go back and read what you writing right now and change it? Because thats basically what you doing with RJJ. You jumping on the most recent bandwagon of a great fighter.

RJJ was doing stuff that you still ain’t seen a fighter do. I just think its disrespectful. Ward is a great fighter but in RJJ’s prime the dude basically was shutting out every single fighter he faced.

Posted September 10, 2012 1:38 pm 


Nathan

S. Redmond- You mad a lot good points. But I wanted to say my opinion of Calzaghe/Hopkins:
EVERYBODY looks kind of bad against Hopkins. But Hopkins has lost legit. a good 5 times at least. Not every win looks so great like Ward over Kessler, Froch or Dawson. Calzaghe’s “ugly” win over Hopkins was ugly but legit. Case in point- Ward vs Bika was ugly but sometimes some opponents make it that way. And Calzaghe was 36 and past the age of most “shot” or “past prime” fighters himself, but it doesn’t stop a 1000 punch output or cleaning up Jones either. Calzaghe wasn’t a young fighter beating old greats. He was a old fighter beating old greats. And he had 40 plus fights so a much more even playing field than say Dawson beating Hopkins

Posted September 10, 2012 1:03 pm 


Boxing Barlow

Who would win? Who knows. But Joe for me was a far more exciting fighter than Ward will ever be. Check out on YouTube the video montage of Joe’s knockouts. He was pure class and was capable of outboxing most guys, but he always went out to excite. The master class he put on when he beat Lacey was something else. And if you compare Calzaghe’s toe to toe fight with Kessler, using his speed, work rate and skills to leave Kessler all over the place, to Wards ugly grappling headbutting win against Kessler i think it sums up the two fighters.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:59 pm 


Nathan

Another point that isn’t quite yet true. There IS actual appeal for a Bute fight (in comparison to most other challegers)
That might change if Froch first rematches and hurts Bute again but at the moment consider: Ward got 1,367,000 vs Dawson and 950K vs Froch. Anybody else prior was prob much less. Bute gets 15K fans at home. If Ward fought Bute in Canada he could get at least 1.5M or more for that fight. And people would watch. (I’m taking about if it happened before a Froch rematch) also as opposed to Ward fighting anyone else in the Super Mid division currently. I don’t think Dirrell is happening and no word regarding facing Pavlik. Cloud doesn’t draw and Bute is still a better fight than Pascal. The air up there is thin so there aren’t many options. But Bute is a strong option still. A Froch KO doesn’t fully taint his ability to draw fans and make good fights.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:55 pm 


Sugar RAy

Ward easily beats Calzaghe.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:45 pm 


SREDMOND

People need to remember that Roy Jones won titles in 4 weight classes and pretty much had EVERY shred of the LHW Title, was voted fighter of the Decade ect…. This is a guy who started professionally at 160 and fought a FULL HW in John Ruiz no matter what you think of his (Ruiz talent) Joe Calzaghe and Ward combined have not done what RJJ did over his first 50 contests and at his best Calzaghe NEVER looked as unbeatable as Jones did and retired wisely before he had 50 pro contests…. Jones dusted Hopkins when he was young, Calzaghe struggled with Hopkins when he was OLD….. A prime Jones Jr is a different beast all together completely making a mockery of guys like James Toney…

Posted September 10, 2012 12:38 pm 


TARK

You’re going to have to tell me who was capable to pressuring Jones when he was younger… Tarver and Johnson are both older than Roy.. Ruiz was a slouch. He was a very poor boxing heavyweight who relied on his toughness, clinching, mauling, and headwork.. Beating him was not a big deal.. Beating Antonio Tarver, a 4-time LHW champion would have been a big deal.. Roy Jones was a great boxer who beat 2 ATG middleweight champions, Hopkins and Toney.. But they were not on their games when they fought Roy. Hopkins was still in development. Toney came down from 250 and wasn’t properly trained … I’m not taking anything away from Roy, he beat those guys, but he would have had a much harder time with Ward.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:32 pm 


Nathan

People can say ANY time ANY fighter goes down in weight (AND LOSES) they are WEIGHT DRAINED. But it’s BS. Dawson came in on day of fight at 185. A nice 17 pounds back. Dre was something like 176. When a guy goes up in weight and loses you don’t hear all that excuse. And it seemed every day Dawson talked about how easy it was to make the weight. Chad is a great fighter that just lost. That’s it. Ward knows how to win. And Joe C. knew how to win.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:31 pm 


Cornelius Turner

Sorry I again have to laugh at the revisionist history on Roy Jones. I’m sorry.. I just have to. I forget who is was but the “RJJ doesn’t take to pressure too well” is a comment said by someone who has not watched RJJ fights. If you need to borrow some of the old fights of RJJ I can let you hold them for a second. Watch RJJ throw a 5 hook combo with one hand and be gone. Watch what he did to Hopkins and James Toney and many others. Comical. We as people are so “what have you done for me lately”. All of a sudden Lebron is better than Michael Jordan and Ward would dismantle RJJ.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:24 pm 


Cornelius Turner

Laughing reading some of the revisionist history of RJJ not taking pressure too well. Lol! Yeah because RJJ never faced pressure fighters until he fought Glen Johnson. I mean this is comedy. Look folks; we know RJJ has been getting cracked… but he went undefeaded basically until he was 35 years old. The man went up to heavyweight and beat John Ruiz. And in that fight Ruiz did hit him on the chin and RJJ kept fighting. In fact, people like to pretend the first time RJJ was pressured or hit hard was Tarver and after. Sorry, not so. So again, I laugh at the revisionist history that only focuses on the post Tarver KO version of RJJ.

RJJ is the most physically gifted fighter in history and was smart too. With all due respect to Ward; he has not faced a soul like RJJ and would struggle like everyone else did in limiting what RJJ did in that ring. And I love Ward. But I refuse to disrespect RJJ based upon the negative things that happens after the man was 35 years old. And most folks believe that if RJJ should have never went down from 200 pounds back to 175. He has not looked the same or taken a punch the same sense.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:19 pm 


al r

Andre Ward is a VERY SPECIAL FIGHTER that only comes along every so often..No need to make comparisims-just sit back and enjoy this remarkable young man and be blessed you got to see him in your generation..All the forementioned fighters were great in their time,this is Andre Wards time.Why do people alwats have to compare fighters?There is NO way to find out how boxers from different generations would fare against each other….Lets just enjoy what we have now..and let the past stay in the past!!!!

Posted September 10, 2012 12:18 pm 


TARK

You don’t need to do all that… You don’t have to wait forever to rate Ward over Calzaghe… Cazaghe beat Hopkins, no queston about it in my mind.. The thing is, how much did he beat him by because Joe got knocked on his ass — and lost a few rounds to the elderly B-Hop.. Dawson beat Hopkins by a wider margin.. And Ward dominated Dawson like he was his daddy. If you aren’t convinced check out their Kessler fights…and the fact Calzaghe avoided Dawson, Tarver, Froch, and Johnson, gives you a good idea who was better. Of those 46 fights, JC was knocked on his ass a few times and many of those guys were 3rd raters.. Ward has been fighting top contenders and champs for a long time.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:15 pm 


Annon

Ward has a lot more to prove before he is mentioned in the same sentence as the Legends of the sport. lets ask the same question when Ward is 40-0 and has reigned as champion for 8 + years as calzaghe did! or when he has unified EVERY possible world title in a division as Roy jones did. Or has made 20 or more title defences as Hopkins did!
dont get me wrong, right now he is good, VERY good! but the road is a long one and history has proved that fighters that look like they are gonna go on to be undefeated their entire career very very rarely are…….Roy Jones, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Robinson..the list goes on! lets talk about how great Ward is in 2-4 years time shall we!

Posted September 10, 2012 11:49 am 


Used to be Daly jr but my posts kept getting deleted!!!!!!!!!!

To add to my view on the calzaghe vs Hopkins fight…… Hopkins didnt/doesnt like to fly, but Joe was known to be terrified of flying. Yet Joe was the one who travelled. AND Calzaghe went up to Hopkins weight for the fight. Ive got over my own biast view of calzaghe, and i think a few other people need to aswel

Posted September 10, 2012 11:24 am 


Used to be Daly jr but my posts kept getting deleted!!!!!!!!!!

John, agreed. People keep saying Calzaghe beat an old Hopkins. But what they seem to forget is that an old Calzaghe beat an old Hopkins!! Yes Hopkins was older, but Hopkins has improved as he got older. And i personaly didnt have the fight as close as the 1 judge who gave it to Hopkins. I had Calzaghe winning by 4 rounds. As did 1 of the judges, and the other had Calzaghe winning by 5 or 6. So dont led the SD fool you. The 1 guy who gave it to Hopkins was giving it to the home fighter

Posted September 10, 2012 11:20 am 


john

Not going to take anything away from Ward but Jones and Calzaghe were on a different plane than Ward. Jones way to quick and strong , an ambush fighter , and Ward would never figure him out. Joe too big and fast, too much ring knowledge. Remember Calzaghe beat Hopkins before he went on his run of remarkable wins !! Pavlick, Pascal, etc…..

Posted September 10, 2012 11:01 am 


Used to be Daly jr but my posts kept getting deleted!!!!!!!!!!

TARK……………. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, but the way you put yours accross is like your stating a fact. I was on calzaghes back when he kept pulling out of fights claiming injury etc(hands mostly), and avoiding RJJ. Infact i never really liked Calzaghe when he was fighting because of my own biast views of him being a slapper, and the way he sucked upto the crowd wherever he fought by wearing the football shirt of whatever town/city he was fighting in. He was never my cup of tea. But as i said, Froch was green, and Calzaghe wanted big names ie hopkins and RJJ on his slate at the time Froch started calling him out. I was calling Calzaghe a coward for avoiding froch at the time, but since ive taken more of a neutral perspective, i now see it was because Froch was inexperienced, and wasnt bringing anything to the table at the time.

Posted September 10, 2012 10:46 am 


SREDMOND

Young Roy Jones was 2X the athlete that Ward is all credit due to the young man…. Jones combination handspeed is something that Andre Ward will thankfully never have to face in a boxing ring and he could crack when he wanted to….I would favor Roy Jones over Ward by a solid margin, this is the same Jones that ran circles around Hopkins and was toying with James Toney…..Young Jones would have blown Calzaghe out in 7 rounds with little issue IMO, watching him well past his prime has given some of you guys historical glaucoma….For 50 professional fights Roy Jones was like watching the Yankees vs a Farm Team…

Posted September 10, 2012 10:46 am 


SREDMOND

Andre Ward is not so quietly one of the TOUGHEST fighters in the sport and that makes no mention of his obvious skillset…I have to respect Joe Calzaghe’s long tenure as a Champion and some of his wins but the reality is that there have been ????????? as to how good Calzaghe REALLY was before Ward made his mark in the game…. The collective credit due on Jones and Hopkins relative to Calzaghes standing are not that high in my mind…I have ALWAYS felt his best night was beating Kessler in a fight where he was challenged and forced to dig deeper….Joe was NOT impressive against Hopkins (who has been absent a young Jones) and the version of Roy Jones he beat was the definition of washed up…. Jeff Lacy simply was not a big deal the dude showed some promise but he had under 20 fights when Calzaghe chopped him up, his (Lacy’s physique) was more impressive than his skills…..Ward stopped Kessler with limited experience, he dominated the very tough Carl Froch, and he just stopped Chad Dawson who has been at or near the top of LHW for YEARS….Calzaghes slapping style (Peter Manfredo) does not make me think he would present something that Ward could not handle….Reality is that if they were both fighting to day a and you looked at thier last 4 or 5 bouts as a prelude to a potential matchup I would pretty widely favor Ward…. He is doing his BEST work on his biggest nights…. People say he cannot hurt you but somehow he knocked out Dawson and Kessler in stark defiance of expectations….

Posted September 10, 2012 10:41 am 


TARK

Personally, I don’t think Roy Jones would have beaten Ward either.. Ward is the same kind of guy as Antonio Tarver, who was not impressed with Roy’s flashy speed and clowning antics.. Calzaghe is another guy who clowned, mugged, and laughed as he fought, trying to get into your head.. That never works with Ward. You could unfurl a cape or blow kisses and you couldn’t break his concentration.

Posted September 10, 2012 10:32 am 


TARK

Lacy had 21 fights when he met Calzaghe… Mkrtchyan had 19 fights when he met Calzaghe… Sheika had 21 fights when he met Calzaghe… Froch was much better than any of these green guys, he would have made a much better fight, and was massive $$$$$ because of the grudge fight aspect… Unlike Calzaghe, Ward fights everbody logical opponent out there …. I would love to see AW fight Golovkin and Martinez because they’re great fighters, and probably next up if they’re willing.

Posted September 10, 2012 10:22 am 


TARK

Lacy was green when he faced Calzaghe… Lacy was even beaten by washed up Taylor. The robotic Kessler was a very hittable straight up boxer who couldn’t get under a punch. Yet he nailed JC with smashing uppercuts that Joe said, “made red alarm lights and bells go off.” Kessler won rounds off of Cazaghe. Ward had only 20 fights when he gave Kessler a thorough boxing lesson, beating Kessler bloody before they stopped it. It was as one-sided as Ward-Dawson. Dawson …. Glen Johnson, Tarver, and Froch were fighters Calzaghe refused to fight — fighting the likes of Peter Manfredo Jr instead.

Posted September 10, 2012 10:10 am 


Daly jr

Vinod…………… Calzaghe was being touted as a hall of famer when a 20-0 Froch was calling him out. I wanted that fight to happen too, but if Calzaghe had fought the inexperienced Froch, Us fans would have verbaly abused him. There was certainly no ducking going on

Posted September 10, 2012 9:52 am 


Neil (pomy)

Calzaghe had more to his game.

Posted September 10, 2012 9:39 am 


Annon

well said! Ward didnt struggle with frotch but it wasnt a waljk in the park by any means…Calzaghe was twice the fighter frotch is! you do the math!
just FYI – i love frotch and ward, i am by no means hating on them but just being realistic! in a few years time when Ward is still winning who knows! opinions change!

Posted September 10, 2012 8:20 am 


Daly jr

AND ofcourse i would beat all 3 of them

Posted September 10, 2012 8:19 am 


Daly jr

Personnaly i think a prime Roy Jones was better than both these guys.

Posted September 10, 2012 8:18 am 


Daly jr

Wow, ive never seen so many comments since the format was changed

Posted September 10, 2012 8:13 am 


Snakerama

Chad Dawson built up his record by beating 40+ has beens, not only that going down in weight is a lot harder than coming up. As good as Ward looked on Saturday, lets not get carried away.

Posted September 10, 2012 8:10 am 


Annon

I think Calzaghe who beat Hopkins & Jones was not a prime fighter, he fought him and Jones purely for the name on his record. A prime calzaghe as against Kessler and Lacy would have beaten the best we have seen of Ward SO FAR. Weather Ward gets even better over time is yet to be seen (although i suspect he will improve further) and maybe my opinion will then change but from what we know SO FAR Calzaghe in his prime beats the best we have seen of Ward comfortably. its exciting to think the future P4P best is Ward though, still young and plenty of great pay per view nights ahead of him id say!

Posted September 10, 2012 7:53 am 


Annon

your missing a MASSIVE point! Calzaghe who beat Hopkins was not a prime fighter, he fought him and Jones purely for the name on his record. A prime calzaghe as was against Kessler and Lacy would have beaten the best we have seen of Ward do far. Weather Ward gets even better is yet to see and maybe my opinion will then change but from what we know so far Calzaghe in prime beats the best of ward comfortably.

Posted September 10, 2012 7:49 am 


Hooray Henry

Better stamina but I would say inferior in terms of boxing ability. I am certainly not beating the ‘slappy’ drum and always liked Joe but Ward is an awesome technician. I think stamina and the ability to have a balls out war for every second of every round might well prove decisive in Joe’s favour but Ward is a better all rounder for me.

Posted September 10, 2012 7:32 am 


Neil (pomy)

It is Calzaghe for me. Better all-round fighter.

Posted September 10, 2012 6:33 am 


KOrnerman

Joe Louis was the greatest H.weight boxer, Ali was the greatest at Jibba Jabba.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:58 am 


demigawd

I would argue that Calzaghe never fought anybody as good as Ward, either. Calzaghe’s three best wins are Hopkins, Lacy, and Kessler. Hopkins gave Joe absolute hell until his 43 year old lungs gave out on him. Ward’s scarcely been tested.

It’s clear to me that they each would have been the best fighter either had ever fought.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:51 am 


Vinod

Ward never fought anyone close to Calzaghe’s caliber? What do you call Chad Dawson? Calzaghe struggled to escape with a contentious split decision over Hopkins while Dawson beat him clearly. And Dawson got brutalized by Ward. Ward has also fought solid comp in the Super Six, including dominating Froch, who Calzaghe ducked.

Calzaghe benefited from fighting big names who were over the hill. He’s one of the most overrated boxers of all time. Andre Ward would have terrorized ANY version of Joe Calzaghe. And Joe knows it, which is why he talks smack from the safety of retirement.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:37 am 


whiteman in d nial ali was truly the greatest

against ward joe would have to go ward by 9th rd ko

Posted September 10, 2012 12:24 am 


AD

Jones Jnr beats Ward though. Young Hopkins and prime James Toney can be argued to be close to Ward (I think Tarver is better defensively), and Jones Jnr beat them close but cleanly.
There just isn`t anyone remotely close to Jones Jnr around for anyone to fight to compare.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:07 am 


AD

There are things that can sway me towards either guy in this match. In Wards favour, and the main consideration in my mind is that he has such excellent fundamental skills and has already been fighting more or less equivalent level opponents and dealing with them far more comfortably. Ward is benefitting from having a deeper talent pool around him and the S6 forcing the fights , but irrespective there is a Frank Warren shaped reason that Calzaghe didn`t get his props until late on in his career.
The outclassing of Lacy was a highlight that opened the rest of the worlds eyes to his ability, but a full reading of Lacy’s career shows that the guy was actually far from being Joe’s best opponent.
I`m a Calzaghe fan, butI think sometimes now that he is retired people people put him on a pedestal and forget he had quite a few subpar performances- sometimes related to hands, sometimes inattention. He only just squeezed past Reid, who while strong was quite a basic fighter, he had trouble with Kabary Salem, Sakio Bika, and was quite fortunate to catch Byron Mitchell with some wild punches when in trouble in that fight (which was stopped early), and of course the Hopkins fight highlighted the limit of Joes technical ability in that he needed to go predominantly to workrate to take it.
When you see Joes poorer fights and look at Wards ability, then yeah, Ward would definitely have a good chance of beating Joe. Still part of Joes ability came from spoiling opponents styles, Kessler commented postfight about how well he did this.
He pours forward, swarms and is hard to counter because of the speed and volume.
If the fight happened my prediction would be Rounds 1-4 Ward on top, looking technically cleaner lands some eyecatching shots, Rounds 5-7 Calzaghe adjusts to Wards style and these are ugly ugly rounds, hard to score, headclashes, Rounds 8-10 Ward slowing and Calzaghe edging them on workrate, 11-12 Ward abandoning any aggression and looking to coast last couple of rounds with counterpunching, Joe pours it on and feeds off the crowd.
Classic case of quality vs quantity – Lederman would score it to Calzaghe by 2-3 rounds, but likely Vegas judges have it for Ward by 1.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:03 am 


FenoM

LOL

Posted September 9, 2012 11:28 pm 


Informer

A young Jones just could’t get hit. I think Joe an Ward would have all kind of trouble against a prime James Toney or Bhop and no chance of winning against a prime Jones. They may have lasted to the bell if they went into a defensive shell. I give Joe and Ward respect. Ward has not ducked anyone. I would have given Joe more respect if he had up to 3 losses if he fought better competition in their prime. Floyd is undefeated and has beaten some great boxers. But I give Pac more respect with several losses than Floyd’s undefeated record. I also give Joe respect for his punching power. I don’t think he is a “slappy fighter”. You get credit for hitting your opponent when your opponent is not hitting you. His so called “slaps” are just like Ali’s or Wlad’s left jab. It keeps you off your game. I’d rather see a guy so called “slapping” than not pulling the trigger. That first uppercut Joe hit Lacy with let Lacy know he was in with something he was clearly not ready for.

Posted September 9, 2012 11:23 pm 


olly

so did jeff lacy ? i am pretty sure u had lacy winning that fight haahaaha

Posted September 9, 2012 11:01 pm 


TARK

Calzaghe barely beat Hopkins in a highly disputed SD when B-Hop was 43.. Dawson beat B-Hop in style.. Ward stopped Dawson easily after total domination.. The guys Calzaghe refused to fight: Chad Dawson, Carl Froch, Glen Johnson, and Antonio Tarver were all tough opponents …. How many times did Calzaghe get knocked down? I know Mitchell, Jones, and Hopkins decked him. How many times did Ward get knocked down? I don’t know anybody who decked him. Who was easier to hit? Calzaghe by a long shot. Who had the stronger hands? Ward by a long shot. Who slapped? JC slapped. Who punched? Ward …. Calzaghe was an ATG fighter—the best 168 to 175-pounder Europe ever produced by a long shot.. But Ward is a better boxer, puncher, defender, infighter, and ring general.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:19 pm 


winetaster

Slappy caught both Jones and Hopkins at the right time but his slapping style could only remotely beat Ward if it was boxing in the olympics point scoring system. There is no doubt Ward would run Slappy out of the professional ring.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:19 pm 


Dionysis

Ward

would not beat a prime Calzaghe. He hasnt fought anyone close to Joe C. Caliber and hes not been pressured like joe c would bring. Calzaghe had the amazing talent to switch styles until something worked. He fought very odd. Ward would never figure out or strong arm joe C.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:01 pm 


EdiRuci

T-Bag? euro bum? Joke of the decade ! You are a joke too…

Posted September 9, 2012 9:49 pm 


AssyrianGod

Both Calzaghe and Roy Jones in their primes were way over and above ANYONE Ward has beaten. Both had incredible speed, stamina, punch output, mobility, adaptability, workrate and durability. Calzaghe was faster than Ward, had better stamina, a higher workrate, far greater punch output, could hit hard, had a good defence, good reflexes and take a good shot, and had the ability to adapt to any style presented to him. For me Calzaghe would have won a UD against Ward, he would simply throw and land more shots, be too busy and outwork Ward. Prime RJJ would do something similar, too athletic, too fast and too hard to hit…..sorry but you cannot equate beating a weight drained and fairly average fighter like Chad Dawson, or a tough but slow fighter like Froch, or a tough but slow boxer-puncher like Kessler with a prime RJJ or Calzaghe….those guys were on a whole different level to anything Ward has been in with.

Posted September 9, 2012 9:22 pm 


B Red

Chad is in big trouble going back to LWH .

Posted September 9, 2012 8:28 pm 


JVincy

Correction: He is not dumb enough

Posted September 9, 2012 7:30 pm 


JVincy

Ward would be successful against either, because he dumb enough to try outboxing Calzaghe or Jones. We all know that Jones Jr. doesn’t take to pressure very well, and I think he would also overwhelm Calzaghe and not allow him to get off. If either had a chance it would be Roy who could’ve caught him with a sneaky shot. It would have been interesting to see him matched up against a younger Hopkins. That would have been one ugly fight.

Posted September 9, 2012 7:29 pm 


demigawd

Joe went life-and-death with Hopkins, losing on a good number of scorecards (including, I suspect, Enzo’s), and barely winning on most other scorecards. The victory margin was basically decided when Joe took advantage of Hopkin’s most glaring weakness (age) in a way Pavlik, Pascal, or even Dawson couldn’t – he simply wore Hopkins out with activity.

Ward is every bit the technician of that version of Hopkins, but younger, faster, more aggressive, and with more stamina. I can’t see Ward wearing out as dramatically as Hopkins did the last three rounds. I see Ward-Calzaghe as a replay of the first half of Calzaghe-Hopkins, except over all 12 rounds, where Ward takes Joe completely out of his game, and frustrates him to a 116-112/115-113 kind of victory.

On the other hand, I see Jones outspeeding and outmaneuvering Ward to a fairly close uninamous decision.

Posted September 9, 2012 7:10 pm 


T-Bag

Ward whups slappy joe the euro bum

Posted September 9, 2012 5:41 pm 


The smoking gun

…. Prime Jones would murder him.. Prime Calz by split

Posted September 9, 2012 5:29 pm 


gold

Well said Aficionado, I believe Ward would “force” Calz in an inside fight, throughout the entire fight! Hopkins, the ONLY “skilled” pro, “forced” him into an inside game. Like I said, Calz hasnt fought elite opposition. His record deserves respect, but it is also padded! Excellent fighters help dictate “in” and “out” fighting. Joe dictates with punches in bunches from the outside. Hopkins reduced him to pot-shotting which was totally NOT Joe! They BOTH (Ward & Calz) would have successes in DICTATING the fight against each other….thats what GREAT fighters do! Again, even an OLD Hopkins dictated against Calz. Don’t forget the all important “WILL” that undoubtedly dictates a fight when the body is fit as it could be! Calzaghe opponents “wills” all combined generate little electricity – except for Hops & Kessler…these two can light a forest! 90% is mental, 10% skills (in a prime body) come secondly. Calz would get BOTH elements with Ward….for the very 1st time! Hey, dont feel bad, your boy may have won.

Posted September 9, 2012 5:24 pm 


BOXING-FAN

would have been a great fight but will never know who would win…

Posted September 9, 2012 5:10 pm 


Patrick2

But then Froch IS a big, physical guy and serious challenge to any 168-pounder.

Posted September 9, 2012 5:10 pm 


x y and z

The only real weakness I have see in Ward is that he got really tired vs Carl Froch. Calzaghe was one of the fittest ever boxers and was fresh in round 12. Anyway, we will never know.

Posted September 9, 2012 5:05 pm 


MrSaito

Really,Ward has achieved such greatness that we must now look to the past for a worthy opponent? I don’t think so. The guy is a very good fighter,but his body of work thus far does not yet warrant this article; not because his achievements are not notable, but simply because his career is still young. I look forward to seeing him fight again though, that’s for sure. I do disagree with comparing him against a prime Roy Jones; RJ would slap the religion off the SOG at their primes at 168; it would not be a competitive fight.

Posted September 9, 2012 5:03 pm 


SME

Calzaghe didn’t need headbutts against a WAY better in shape Kessler, in his prime. Safe to say that Ward would have had a lot of problems with Calzaghe, whose best asset was speed – not unlike Ward himself. Surely a superfight, with an open outcome. Calzaghe had very good legs, something you need against Ward. Ward is good at leaping into punches, something you need against Calzaghe. Who hits more ? Nobody knows.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:54 pm 


RAY GORDON REID

JOE AND MIKKEL WOULD BEAT WARD 4.55 PM 9/9/2012

Posted September 9, 2012 4:53 pm 


B Red

The people that know about boxing never considered lacy anything but a one dimensional punching bag

Posted September 9, 2012 4:43 pm 


B Red

Ward would dominate Joe easily

Posted September 9, 2012 4:37 pm 


gold

Aficionado, Calzaghe was so brilliant with that performance that it sealed the deal emphatically with his SKILZ level! I’m American and was thoroughly impressed with that shellacking he took, I felt he deserved it! I forgot about the postponement! and the possible fear factor directed towards Calz! I guess my prediction was one of those really rare occasions when you know the opponent doesnt stand a chance! I always believed that if someone wanted to be as effective as a Mike Tyson – if that was the similar style they chose to use – that they would HAVE to learn how to effortlessly “shuffle” in and out from an opponent – instead of deliberately choosing to “take steps” in & out from an opponent. Mike, to me, did it so well that if anyone decided to “fight” like him, they would mistakenly focus on the powerful hooks that connected INSTEAD of the footwork that so smoothly got him in and out from an opponents presence! Lacey focused on the hooks….and his Incredible Hulk-like physique and good power. I knew Calzaghe could & would time that crap in a heartbeat! Maybe the ease in which he did it, wasnt as predictable, along with the tireless way in which he did it. In my mind, that plodding zombie style is EASY to learn for ANY fighter, and can fool a fighter into thinking he’s more than he really is! It’ll even get monotonous in the gym because it is a brain dead style that requires “walking” towards the heavy bag in an ominous manner, then throwing hooks with occasional jabs (Im sure Lacy learned more than just that, but maybe not with as much enthusiasm)! Boxing is dangerous & brutal and not a simpleton sport, but it sure is more “artistic” & “crafty” than Lacey made it out to be. Ward and Calzaghes arsenal shows that boxing is much more than heavybag hitting. Any good “boxer” that can take a punch can deal with the Lacey style. No disrespect to Lacey, he simply was a little to “content” with what he learned. Respect to you Aficionado, we appreciate fighters that take pride in skilz! Thats why Ward -vs- Calzaghe would be a dream fight!

Posted September 9, 2012 4:32 pm 


Barabus

Catchweight fights are not indicators of a fighters worth…. think of the recent catchweights fights. Almost all (maybe all) have been lost by the fighters coming down.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:07 pm 


jojowhite

the terrible thing about these kinds of questions, mr ciani, is that we WILL NEVER KNOW who wins between a slaphappy and ward…just like ali v tyson or klitscko….we can mentally masturbate all day and all night and in the end come up with nothing more than educated guesses and speculation…so lets get to the arguments for which we have or will have real answers…

Posted September 9, 2012 4:00 pm 


Anonymous

Clazaghe would destroy andre ward. Ward would be beaten to a pulp by the 7th round. The Welsh Dragon would club Ward to both temples and rip vicious shots to the liver and kidneys until Ward was bleeding internally . Ward never faces an opponent like Joe Clazaghe. Chad Dawson is not even in the same league as Calzaghe. Clazaghe hits you from all angles and has great combinations. Joe said the Ward could not keep up with his non stop punching. I think Clazaghe could be ready for Ward in six months. Ward would be crazy to fight a fighter like Joe Calzaghe, cause if Ward fought Joe he would wind up like; Lacy, hatton, Rosario, and the rest of the boxers that were washed up after taking the beating of a lifetime.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:56 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“If Ward begins to close the show in future fights, there is no limit to his future…” – Cosign Kid. I’ve been calling him out on his reluctance to close the show for years. He has more pop than his KO% suggests, but he usually chooses the safe route. It’s a waste when a great talent like Ward doesn’t give it 100%. Because whether guys call that “boxing smart” or playing it excessively safe, a boxer isn’t giving 100% of himself if he’s not doing everything he can to demolish his opponent. Ward at last chose to do it last night. More of that please.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:28 pm 


gold

I guess the cornermen were fixated the payday coming in, because like you said, a switch in stance couldv helped with his defense and lessened the impact of the blows…..where these guys minds are, I’ll never know.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:26 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Good comments Gold. I think the guys who “knew” Calzaghe would own Lacy said so after the fact. Lacy was considered a beast until Calzaghe ruined him with that horrible beating. The fight was even money at the sportsbooks and remember when Calzaghe postponed it due to injury guys here were screaming he was trying to duck Lacy. It was one of the rare fights when I chose not to pick a winner because I really didn’t know… till round 1 ended.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:24 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Gold they have tools that can measure hand speed and I have no doubt if they measured combination punching Calzaghe’s hands were faster. We should also look at the hypothetical stylistic matchup. Ward flourishes when he’s roughing guys up on the inside. When did Calzaghe ever get forced into an inside game? Never. He’d be in and out too fast for Ward who would be forced to chase. Ward’s the top guy at 168 today but when we’re trying to discuss who would win, the best today vs an all timer, it’s a hopeless argument as I said. You’ll have your points and I’ll have mine but nothing will ever be agreed upon.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:19 pm 


New Orleans Saints

Bernard puts out videos of taking care of you yourself and eating right. That nite of Trinidad I do remember a boxing friend of mine who knew Hopkins camp said. Believe me Bernard Hopkins is on performance enhancing drugs. After hearing that I dont put it past Bernard to cheat in another way by using drugs.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:18 pm 


bobby

I remember in the Hopkins Roy Jones 2 fight. Hopkins twisted Roys arm 180 degrees back in a lock out. The pian Roy must of felt I couldnt imagine. Hopkins is just down right dirty. To have to resort to beating a fighter by fighting dirty is pretty sad.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:14 pm 


The Best!

It would be an interesting fight, Calzaghe schooled Bernard who is a dirty fighter in the inside and Ward is an excellent inside fighter. If I had to put my money I would put it on a prime Calzaghe for the simple fact of how he schooled Bernard Hopkins and Ward is an opportunist inside fighter, which when he basically sees an opening in the inside he will capitalize on it. I dont think he would be able to do that agaisnt Calzaghe. But then again Ward has proven me wrong on a couple of occasions so i definitely would give Ward a strong chance.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:07 pm 


Froy

Gold – Hopkins head butt the hell out of Trinidad that nite. Hopkins career is full of questions. Padding gloves, steriods using, dirty fighting. Hopkins has lied to the public to many times. Especially that hate talk him and De la hoya before there fight next day after the bout they formed Golden Boy Productions. To many questionable acts on Hopkins part. There should be a asterisk on resume

Posted September 9, 2012 2:59 pm 


Patrick2

All true. I would only add that compared to, or more likely the result of, Ward, Dawson looked limited in firepower. So much so, that by the second or third round, if I was the cornerman, I would have suggested to Dawson that he switch to his natural stance just to see if that would have helped turnaround the momentum of the fight, or at least extend the length of the fight longer than it ended up lasting.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:52 pm 


Boxkai

Everybody know that in boxing homeground means up to 40 %. Kessler came to oakland as WBC and WBA champ! yes big mistake but it shows a real man! If Ward can beat Froch i Nottingham or Kessler in Denmark we can talk about P4P, but as long he only want to box in california…..forget it!!! Nobody can beat in Oakland. Nobody!

Posted September 9, 2012 2:49 pm 


Kid Blast

If Ward begins to close the show in future fights, there is no limit to his future unless ATG is a limit. This kid seems to have it all and if power is soon included in his tool cheat, oh my!! :roll: Ward win rounds; he is programmed to win his fights. He puts his oppoenets in a hole and then goes into hyra flow and picks up on the torque. His fight plans are a work of art. Best I have seen in many a year. The old school roughousing is neat stuff as well. Note how he cuffed Chad on several occasions last night making the cut worse. His inside stuff was brutal, especially the jolting and crunching uppercuts that spelled doom for Dawson.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:45 pm 


Patrick2

I too agree — nicely said.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:45 pm 


Patrick2

Well said!

Posted September 9, 2012 2:40 pm 


gold

I think it still stands to reason, Ward would still win at any weight! Dawson is “rangy” at best! His infighting sucks. Pascal “fairly” beat him with quickness, aggression and offence from weird angles. Ward simply has more in his arsenal than Pascal – with a more committed mind. Dawson is a phenomenal boxer, but takes rounds off like a heavyweight regaining composure. He seems the quickest when he has an opponent on the ropes, but aside from that he has an autopilot speed that can be countered by a master such as Ward or a Calzaghe! Dawson probably would not have been stopped at a higher weight but he sure wouldve been exploited. Respect to Dawson for going in his neighbors backyard!

Posted September 9, 2012 2:39 pm 


Kid Blast

:roll: :roll:

Posted September 9, 2012 2:37 pm 


Kid Blast

Well said

Posted September 9, 2012 2:37 pm 


Patrick2

Bull! Dawson was out of his fight only because of Ward’s left hooks.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:36 pm 


lefhook

Dawson was so weight drained he was dead on his feet afetr 2 rounds

Posted September 9, 2012 2:16 pm 


gold

Once again, well said! A virtuoso with with words and breaking down this piece!!

Posted September 9, 2012 2:13 pm 


gold

Hopkins vs Trinidad…pardon…..There was no way I saw Tito winning that fight! I wouldv been shocked if he did, even if that was the overwhelming consensus leading up.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:07 pm 


gold

46-0 could very well be a padded resume, not saying it entirely is! Ward would still be Calz toughest challenge! Many boxing enthusiast KNEW Lacy DID NOT stand a chance! Lacey was a conceited plod forward Tyson wannabee. I remember when Lacey was told he needed more time to get better, he sneered and commented on “haters.” He needed to realize at that time, that good advice is not necessarily “hate,” – when going up against the likes of a Calzaghe! I knew he didnt stand a chance!! Its the same way I felt against Tito vs Trinidad!! There was no chance in my book.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:49 pm 


gold

Calzaghe is not faster than Ward! They have relatively the same speed. That “retired” legendary status AND peoples personal preferences allow them to see things that aren’t there! Some see Ward as having the slight advantage in speed, I know I do! With that said, I wouldnt be upset if Joe pulled it off….it would just solidify his skillz level. Against ward he’d have to practice things he’s never tried in training camp and especially in the fight! The same goes for Ward! Too bad this fight will never take place, I’d have paid top PPV dough to check it out. And I’d have to admit, I’d love to see Calz befuddled being FORCED to dip into his bag of trix, by a guy that wouldnt allow Joe’s ‘punches in bunches’ connect ratio being the deciding factor in a fight – taking over. I enjoy seeing greats having to use their minds, not mostly physical “gifts” that dominate mostly non-moving opposition…no matter how elite the comp! Joe has trouble with angles and movement, just like ANY other boxer! Again, I think Joe has what it takes to give ward a very hard time, but I also see Ward confusing the gravy outta Joe with the possibility of winning!….Joe has NEVER fought the caliber of a Ward….Ward has fought better comp than Calz…..there we can agree to disagree. I believe you think Calz would have his way against Hagler…..Calz would have an entirely different monster in front of him, but would probably win with his natural nimble foot movement on a cluster of “points.”

Posted September 9, 2012 1:39 pm 


Baloo999

I very much agree with you, i dont think ward loose easaly but i might if he goes to Copenhagen or Berlin to fight Kessler.
Ward is a great fighter but he needs to prove him selve outside the US.
I now there is much more money in fights in the US but if he want to be the best suoer middleweight of all times he needs to fight Kessler in europe. Thats a fact. I Doubt he wil take the jouney. :???:

Posted September 9, 2012 1:37 pm 


Mix

Agreed Hyperthetical subjects are a waste of time. Check my earlier comment out.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:07 pm 


Mix

Let’s hope George Groves takes notice & ditche’s FW after he’s won a Lonsdale belt out-right!

Posted September 9, 2012 1:05 pm 


Patrick2

That was directed @ MK.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:04 pm 


Patrick2

With that rant of stupidity you just lost all credibility.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:03 pm 


Mix

Looks like Nathan Cleverly’s carry on the tradition.

Posted September 9, 2012 1:03 pm 


Patrick2

True, that!

Posted September 9, 2012 1:01 pm 


David

What’s to solve? Nothing.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:58 pm 


Boxtradamus

Please learn more about Boxing. Ward is more fundamentally SOUND than Calzaghe and Jones. Also he stopped a Top 10 Fighter in the Sport “already” which is something that Calzaghe and Jones have YET to do. I didn’t put Ward anywhere. He put HIMSELF there and I just acknowledged it.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:52 pm 


Boxtradamus

Ward has that effect on people. HE made Kessler LOOK like a JOKE too. That’s what happens when you challenge the SHARK of 168 in his own waters. You get eaten UP.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:47 pm 


Fight Aficionado

This is a hypothetical argument nobody can win. Yes Ward looked great. Yes the top 4 PFP tightened up and when the chips are done falling Ward could be the last man standing. No we can’t say he’d beat Calzaghe, who was faster than Ward and would not let him fight his inside game. If I had to bet $5,000 on it at even money I’d go with Calzaghe.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:47 pm 


gold

I’m glad when an Andre Ward surfaces on the scene! It allows us to focus on the greats and how they’ve probably had it easier than their records indicate! They both don’t take shortcuts relying on any physical “gifts” that they might have. They both are consummate professionals! With that said, This would be Joes BIGGEST test! I know of NO one, with Wards skills and youth that he’s fought! Respectively, Joe was tough, and so is Ward. It would be an intriguing style matchup. I see Joe having a lot of trouble unloading his unending barrage of shots on such an elusive target! Ward would NOT allow Calz to get away with that, no way, no how!! Joe was very elusive himself, also fighting from angles, with shots coming @ all different angles – even coming from hands by his sides! Both guys have PRIDE and the will to win, with superb conditioning. Imo, Joes most toughest opponent was Kessler, and with all Kesslers skills, turned out to be an erect in your face opponent, making him easy to hit, mostly from the outside! Since he’s retired undefeated, Joes image transcends reality on a real AND make believe pedestal!….the illusion now is he never couldv been beat – now, nor in the future! I beg to differ! I at least see a draw! Ward would not allow Calz that outside rangy game, nor would he allow the rough in housing without firing shots of his own. Calz is one of my favorite fighters, but I’m also a realist. Again, Calz would not be able land cleanly on this dude, If Hopkins was confusing for him, I can only imagine how much more confusing Ward would have been. Hey, Calz could win, but it wouldve been his HARDEST most COMPELLING fight to date!! NO OTHER fight he’s had comes close! And for all the Calzaghe worshipers: there is a chance he could have lost to Ward….I know, you can’t fathom that! If Calz thinks beating past-prime Roy & Bernard garners him legendary status, let him come out of retirement and fight Ward now. If he did come back and actually beat Ward, then he’d TRULY be that untouchable fantasy-like enigma, some make him out to be – especially when he’d eventually leave for good!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:46 pm 


MK

Don’t forget that there are strong ties between a representative of steroid lab Balco and Ward. Ward vs Dawson reminded me of Ward vs Green. You can’t loose if the opponent dos not throw punches. The best thing that can happen, is for Ward to move to Lhw, so that the best can fight for the belts, in the most exciting division, Smw. Dawson was a joke man.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:45 pm 


Boxtradamus

I APPLAUD Dawson for having the balls to challenge the KING in his own Castle. But his destruction will make everyone else think twice. They will all DUCK the Castle of Ward……DUMMIES thought that the scoring would be corrupt but there was no scoring needed. There was also no headbutting and arm barring needed. So what’s the NEXT excuse??

Posted September 9, 2012 12:45 pm 


Boxtradamus

All of what you just said just solidifies you as an AMATEUR. Ward is undefeated in the PROS. Just stopped a Top 10 Fighter in the ENTIRE Sport which is something that a European Fighter has NEVER done. The THRONE resides in Oakland, California not Europe. SO there’s no reason for Ward to travel to Europe. There IS a reason for the Europeans to travel to Oakland…….IF they dare try to take the crown.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:43 pm 


Boxtradamus

Calzaghe has been surpassed also. He never even DREAMED of stopping a Top 10 P4P opponent at this point in his career.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:35 pm 


Boxtradamus

I also predicted YEARS ago that Ward would be Top 5 P4P one day and I was CORRECT. Ward has surpassed Roy Jones by stopping a Top 10 P4P opponent. Something that Roy NEVER did in his ENTIRE career. WOW!!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:32 pm 


Patrick2

Though you have to admit Calzaghe never faced the level of competition Ward has — so to say Joe was better than Andre is very difficult, to say the least.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:31 pm 


Boxtradamus

Ward is a SHARK just as I predicted!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!

Posted September 9, 2012 12:29 pm 


bdubbski

There is a real simple way to look at this. Ward beat everyone we thought could be Joe that he did not fight.

Posted September 9, 2012 12:13 pm 


Beastie

Calzaghe was super, Ward very good, Roy talented, Hopkins pedo cheater

Posted September 9, 2012 12:08 pm 


Bruno

Calzaghe id better than Ward. Cal was super amazing in the ring. Ward is really good. Hopkins has too many negatives about him. Very dirty in the ring. I dont like him. So I can’t rate him

Posted September 9, 2012 12:05 pm 


PigMan

Andre Ward very impressive win over Bad Chad.
Now…..Dawson is just a hanging chad.
Ward is awesome. From Oakland also. Cool.

Posted September 9, 2012 11:35 am 


SREDMOND

Joe C, is a hofer but Ward has beat BETTER prime fighter than he did and was more convincing… He (Ward) totally abused Kessler when he had barely any experience, made a mockery of everyone in the tournament and destroyed a prime LHW the likes of which Calzaghe never fought…. Ward is looking like the closest thing to Mayweather in boxing today, a guy who is consistently a step ahead of whomever you put in front of him….. This guy is something special to say the least…

Posted September 9, 2012 11:30 am 


TG3

Youre not thinking objectively, youre obviously in love with the whole Calzaghe image & style thing. Andre wouldv been Calzaghes BEST foe EVER! Andre would never stay on the ropes to allow Cal to unload his typical non-stop barrage of punches! It wouldv been a great fight! With your hero possibly losing.

Posted September 9, 2012 11:20 am 


Ike

Ward is suddenly a man with no obvious next opponent. Froch is fighting Mack next. Then Bute after that. And if he’s successful in those fights, he has stated several times that he’d want Kessler after that. Ward so thoroughly dominated Kessler that it’s doubtful Kessler wants a rematch either. Kelly Pavlik is a famous name, but Top Rank is not going to rush Pavlik’s comeback for a fight that is almost certain defeat. Currently, there is no one worth moving up to 175 lbs for. So who is Ward going to fight next? I doubt he’d move down to 160 lbs. My bet is that he’ll take stay busy type fights and wait for someone at middleweight to move up. He’d be smart to target Martinez if/when Martinez defeats Chavez. I’d also like to see S.O.G. vs. Golovkin, but Golovkin no doubt has his sights set on Martinez or Geale.

Posted September 9, 2012 11:19 am 


TJ

@BOXING101, your statement, “You people are pathetic ! except the fact Calzaghe would beat these fighters even if they were young including Ward,” makes no logical sense, unless you meant to write accept the fact….

However, Joe Calzaghe would have been schooled by the likes of RJJ, James Toney and would’ve been KO’d by Thomas Hearns if he had competed against these SMW in their younger years….

TBH Joe is a very lucky fighter…. When boxing had same-day weigh ins and only 2 and then 3 World bodies, Joe would have been forced to compete at Light Heavyweight and his strengths totally negated….

I look back to the Light Heavy division of 1982/83 and seriously doubt Joe could have handled any of the top ten contenders….
I always laugh at how raw joe was when he beat a last minute sub Chris Eubank for the vacant title and how he was tagged repeatedly and beaten IMHO by Robin Reid and also Bernard Hopkins, who I am not a fan of!

the funny thing is so many of Joe’s so-called fans only heard of him or got behind him after he defeated St Petersburg’s overhyped novice champion Jeff Left Hook Lacy!!!!!

Before that Joe who was WBO SMW champion since 1997 was toiling in obscurity as supports to the likes of Ricky Hatton and before that Naseem Hamed in front of people who didn’t care……

That’s how great a fighter he was…. fighting the likes of Kid Fire, Tucker Pudwill and the likes, competing iwth fellow champion Sven Ottke on who could find the more obscure oppenent to defend against.

Joe was one of the original mouthpiece’s to call out great fighters like
Jones and Toney, then hide behind Frank Warren’s apron strings, pretending he had a fear of flying to avoid them!

He then accused Karl Froch of doing the same thing with him, although we all know Cobra would have fought him in a heartbeat!

Joe = good fighter, but seriously he had no competition his entire career! Real fight fans knew wh o he was , but year after year we all wondered when is he ever going to SPIT OR GET OFF THE POT???

Ward beats Joe IMHO!

Posted September 9, 2012 11:00 am 


Anonymous

Both are top 168lb fighters. Two of the three best that the division has had. Ward really needs to fight outside his hometown though. Maybe as he becomes a more recognised name he may travel to Vegas or MSG? He has already beaten Froch and AA so, technically there isn’t a lot left at 168 for him. Perhaps come to Nottingham in 2013 and face the Cobra on his own patch? That was the one problem with the super six, Ward fought every fight at home.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:58 am 


jason

joe struggled with a well past his prime hopkins, Ward is a far better fighter than hopkins was – at that stage of his career. I say ward would be too smart for joe, if hopkins (at that age) can almost nullify him, ward defiantly would IMO.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:54 am 


prideofvirginiabeach

I agree that Ward needs leave Oakland for another major fight to prove his worth. He still hasn’t fought outside the US. He gets his way too much on the terms of fights, which will always keep Calzaghe above until he changes that.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:48 am 


prideofvirginiabeach

Prime for prime, I would still take Joe, but I can’t see it be anything other than close.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:46 am 


TJ

@ADRIAN, Are you stupid or on the booze???? Ward dismantled Kessler with ease… In fact he beat him up and did a far better job on him than Joe did. Kessler was NEVER in the fight whereas it was nip and tuck with Joe until he got him with a body shot in the 9th , then pulled away and refused to give him a rematch in Denmark

Just thought you need to know the truth S.O.G. had no problem at all with Kessler and was the win that made most of the Johnny Come Lateleys sit up and take notice of Ward!

Posted September 9, 2012 10:46 am 


MK

I must agree with the fact that Ward is a top 5 smw, but Calzaghe beat my man fair and square, took Kesslers shots, but came back, each time. Calzaghe beat Hopkins easily. Concerning the Ward vs Dawson fight, it is Froch vs Bute all over again. Froch is seen as God, like Ward is seen as God. What really happened was that both Froch and Ward fought a handicapped opponent. Froch might easily loose to Bute in Canada and Ward might easily lose if he travels to europe (Kessler). Nothing has changed in the smw division. Froch, to me is rated 2, Ward not rated due to protection.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:44 am 


prideofvirginiabeach

Maybe things would have been different had they come up a tournament during Calzaghe’s reign (Calzaghe, Lacy, Ottke, Bika, Reid, and Beyer would have been good back in 2004). However, you have to admit Ward has done almost as much as Calzaghe has done in his whole career by 28. He should stay at supermiddle. Their are legit top challenges he hasn’t faced yet if he isn’t interested in a Froch rematch, like Oosthuiszen, Groves, and Rodriguez. Andre Dirrell can just go away and slip on banana peels on his own time rather than in the ring.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:43 am 


Popkins

Whatever Ward achieves, it makes no difference to the potential outcome of a one-on-one fight between him and Calzaghe…Joe would still have too much for him. A bit like with Tyson/Wlad….Dr Steel hammer could go on to be the longest reigning and most decorated heavyweight champ of all time, but prime for prime, Mike would still flatten him inside 5 rounds.

Posted September 9, 2012 10:20 am 


TJ

Sorry – But Joe was NEVER and active fighter…. He averaged just over 1 fight a year for his last 7 years as Super Middleweight champion!
He was never an active fighter!

Posted September 9, 2012 10:20 am 


therockjaa

I appluade Andre Ward and he may be one of the best, however…in my opinion he has nothing on Joe Calzaghe, not even close…he should not be mentioned in the same level of greatness. Joe Calzaghe is the Best 168 Ever…Period

Posted September 9, 2012 10:19 am 


TJ

Not so sure…. Joe’s last 7 years or so at Super Middleweight he averaged just over 1 fight a year… If he had competed in a Super Six style of tournament it would have told us much more as in Joe’s 20 defences there is hardly a name on there to strike fear into any of the previous or current champions at Super Middleweight!
I personally do not believe Joe’s body would have stood up to a Super Six style tournament with regular action against Top Level boxers and not the Manfredo’s and Ashira’s of this world.

Joe was a good fighter but I am one of those who dispute the idea he was any sort of Ring General, merely a good fighter with a good chin and good handspeed who competed for most of his career against a very mediocre talent pool – Hence why Sven Ottke had the same 20 defences at the same period as Joe….

This in itself tells me the Super Middles such as Tucker Pudwill or whatever his name was and Kid Fire were plucked from obscurity to fatten their records!

I personally wrote on the Setanta site back in 2007 when Joe was looking for an opponent that there was a man called S.O.G. (an Olympian) that was on his tail…

I would back S.O.G. to beat Joe in a good fight but Ward would prove that little bit better in most departments and outhustle Joe to take a points win….

When Joe finds he can’t land his clusters, he would be reduced just like in the first 5 rounds vs B-Hop to throwing single shots for fear of catching the stinging counters S.O.G. would be sinking, particularly deep into his body before roughing him up on the inside….

Joe likes it rough, but S.O.G. does it rougher and would break Joe down round by round, just as he has done to Kessler, Abraham, Froch and now Dawson…..

Posted September 9, 2012 10:16 am 


Earl St. Jon

They’re always be some lame ass writer who runs to his computer to compare Calzagie to a current champ. Ward’s 28, he’s not done, Cal’s resume will pale in comparison when Ward’s through. These guys will not be in the same league when it comes to elite competition and how they handled it.

Posted September 9, 2012 9:33 am 


Bruce

Joe Calzaghe should get the benefit of the doubt. He fought everyone and retired undefeated. This is a no-brainer.

Posted September 9, 2012 9:20 am 


dwc

It would be one of the many dream match-ups in boxing. Hard to say who would win but if a time machine ever gets invented I think they would use it for boxing more then anything else…lol.

Posted September 9, 2012 9:10 am 


TheEpicLeftHook

I agree 100% I think it would have been a close fight if AW keeps progressing like this. I just don’t know if there is anybody out there who he can fight right now. Unless he is willing to go up or down the weight classes, or somebody else comes to fight him.

Posted September 9, 2012 9:07 am 


scottyboy

I’m staggered at just how many people even bothered to reply to this thread. Debating fictitious match ups doesnt solve anything.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:56 am 


love-the-sport

Calzaghe would probably beat Ward but it is really close. Ward is probably better technically and smarter and tougher. Calzaghe is probably faster, throws more punches, maybe has more power, and has better faster footwork and ring generalship. I think Calzaghe was not really tested as much as Ward although that can be debated. Calzaghe fought Lacy and Kessler in their primes. I don’t think we should give Calzaghe that much credit for beating on an older Roy Jones or Bernard Hopkins. But Ward has fought Froch and also Abraham who has not had much success at 168, Kessler who is now older, and Green who has lost a lot of fights in recent years, and now Dawson who was coming down in weight. It is very good question. But I think Calzaghe would win. He would throw lots of combinations, move, avoid clinches, and throw lots of uppercuts which I actually think would hurt Ward. And Calzaghe was very good and very fast on the inside as necessary. I think Calzaghe would win but it would be a great fight. Very close.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:54 am 


Exiled Yank

I agree. The difference with Ward is that he can adjust too. He took away every weapon Dawson brought to the fight and he did each each time within a round. If Ward keeps growing this way I think he could have beaten a prime JC, but not yet. They are both smart and adjust on the fly. I take nothing from either man, I just beleive AW is not on the level of an experienced JC yet.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:50 am 


Exiled Yank

At this point I think JC wins. AW is on his way to becoming something special while the JC that defeated Kessler already was special. If Ward keeps growing this way over the next 4 or 5 years, then I might reconsider. I have been saying for a long time that Ward is going to be the next Hopkins and last nights fight makes me even more sure of this prediction. Ward stole Dawson’s heart and ate it right in front of him. Amazing performance by an amazing fighter.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:47 am 


TheEpicLeftHook

I think Calzaghe would win a unanimous decision, and here is why. Ward has fought good fighters like Froch, Kessler and Abraham, but these guys cannot really adjust/adapt their style mid fight. Calzaghe had that ability, he always had a plan a,b and c! and even if that didn’t work he would always outwork his opponent. That’s why he stayed undefeated and that’s why he would beat ward. That’s just my opinion don’t hate :)

Posted September 9, 2012 8:47 am 


JLop

When Hopkins fought against Calzaghe, he was 43 years old. If Hopkins’s age was not important, they say, Calzaghe fans… What is stoping them from making this fight? After all, Calzaghe is 40 years old; 3 years younger than what Hopkins was then. By the way, Hopkins is 47 years old and he still makes fights.

Posted September 9, 2012 8:18 am 


Red Ryan

We know how good Ward is as he is fighting top competition, Sadly Joe fought tomato cans his whole career under warren, so we will never realy know, just like Sven Ottke who also fought no ones and then retired like Joe……..

Posted September 9, 2012 8:03 am 


Anonymous

Nope. He should beat Dawson at 175LB to get his belt imo. I don’t see who could beat Ward at SMW

Posted September 9, 2012 8:02 am 


Mix

Back to reality: Who’s he gonna fight next? The WBC have Kessler @ #1 who Wards allready beaten & the WBA have Brian Magee who’s been beaten by both Carl Froch & Lucian Bute. He’s stated that he wants to stay @ 168LB & who can blaim him. George Groves & Thomas Oosthuizen are about 18 months away from making the grade, while WBO title holder Arthur Abraham is another re-match that doesn’t exactly stir the imagination. Maybe Felix Sturm could move to 168, but if he does then there’s proberly more money to be made with Abraham. If he did make the move to 175LB then a fight with WBA champion Beibut Shumenov should be relativly easy to make in the USA. I guess if he wanted he could go on a 168LB bum of the month tour to Australia, Canada, South Africa The UK & mainland Europe. One last thought. As Ward came in under 175LB should the WBC give him Dawson’s Belt?

Posted September 9, 2012 7:58 am 


Hugh Jardon

No chance whatsoever, your talking about all time greats here in Joe and Roy, let’s wait until ward is up in the 40s before comparing him with legends

Posted September 9, 2012 7:45 am 


Tim45

Moron !! Ward already beat those two. What an idiot

Posted September 9, 2012 7:43 am 


Anonymous

Joe would slap him to submission

Posted September 9, 2012 7:31 am 


UrAMonkeySon

You’re a clutz. No-one dismantled Joe. JC is one of the all-time adapters in-fight. If anything JC would have worked Ward out as the fight progressed. Would have been a very close fight but Ward’s achilles heel is gassing in the later rounds imo. JC would have taken Ward to places he’s never been and would have been overwhelmed in the later rounds by that 100+ punches per round stat he regularly psoted. JC also had a solid chin so Ward wouldnt have got JC out of there early.

Posted September 9, 2012 7:10 am 


Ray Ray

And no Ward is not like the Klitchkos. Ward has options and weight 2 put on the ukrainian brothers do not. E.g Dawson at light heavy, Kessler not I’n Oakland, or he could even b so kind like Chad was and face the winner of Chavez jr an Martinez In there back yard

Posted September 9, 2012 7:00 am 


FEARS

When your hatred for a fighter blinds you from objectively watching a fight, you really should keep your biased comments to yourself because your hate-filled heart makes your brain sound like a bumbling, rambling, idiot. It’s very rare that I ever call out other posters here. I normally allow everyone their own opinions and only state my own, but the comments of BEARS and MK are really ridiculous! So ridiculous that it’s almost funny! Stop it fellas, it makes yourself look pathetic.

Posted September 9, 2012 6:57 am 


Ray Ray

And the answer 2 ward beating Joe is no, only In Oakland, nowhere else

Posted September 9, 2012 6:52 am 


LeftRightLeftUppercut

Ward is very very talented. Fights with a prime RJJ or JC would have been exciting. Ward I believe could have beaten both, but it would not have come easy.

Posted September 9, 2012 6:50 am 


Fate1

Ward would dimantle joe

Posted September 9, 2012 6:49 am 


ozzy

Nice one :mrgreen:

Posted September 9, 2012 6:42 am 


MK

I agree -Clearly Calzaghe who had his worst fight against Kessler (was hit with 3 hard uppercuts to the chin) would beat Ward, the most protected fighter ever to enter a ring.

Posted September 9, 2012 6:40 am 


ozzy

Well said! Ward refused a catchweight so that Dawson had to drop 8 pounds to make the fight – that’s just not right. I’d have more respect for Ward if he would give Dawson a rematch at light heavy and in Dawson’s backyard – opps I forgot Ward won’t fight out of his backyard!

Posted September 9, 2012 6:40 am 


FEARS

Calzaghe’s slapping workrate couldn’t detour Ward from dictating distance and coming inside at will. Even on the outside, Ward’s punches are too accurate and intentional for JC to win the fight at range, but inside JC would have absolutely no chance. For so long people always looked at Ward as a stick & move, finesse fighter, but Ward is and has been a very strong, physical fighter with the skillset normally exclusive to stick & move pure boxers. Simply put, Ward just has too many tools in his toolbox for the great JC. Ward by decision 117-111.

Posted September 9, 2012 6:40 am 


MK

SMW ranking:
1. Kessler
2. Froch
Ward can not be recognized as he fights severely handicapped people in cheatland.
Dirrell can not be recognized as long as he does not fight.
Bute -Lets see after Froch 2.
When will Ward travel, to meet a top smw fighter? If he does not, where is the money fights.
Ward vs Dawson = rigged fight again. Next year Ward plans to meet a one legged swimmer in his house, with his wife as the referee, right. Those are the rumours.:)

Posted September 9, 2012 6:38 am 


edward

JC vs Ward would be a great fight. I thought Ward would outclass Dawson as Dawson has lost to Pascal who is very limited. The light heavyweight division is thin, Ward would likely beat most people at that weight. Truth is there are still fights at super middle i would like to see Ward fight Bute even though Froch done a number on him I would still like to see that fight. And I think Froch may look for a rematch even though he was well beaten first time round. If the wizard of OZ gives Dirrel some heart for x mas and he begins fighting a bit more often he could campaign for a shot. But the money for ward is gonna be Chaves Jr. I dont like him but once he stops Marinez that would be a natural fight. or Golovkin the USA has just got a taste of him but he has fought good competition as amateur and been heavily avoided as a pro. let Golovkin whoop on a couple more americans and everyone will be screaming for the bout.

Posted September 9, 2012 6:36 am 


chap69

Find it strange that certain people say Hopkins was over the hill when he fought Calzaghe yet forget his very next fight where he took apart Pavlik and also his win over Pasqual, Ward hasn’t had a full career yet so as it stands now its a Calzaghe victory.

Posted September 9, 2012 5:56 am 


Cutman

And of course Joe would beat Ward!
Let’s get Ward to weight-drain down to Martinez within the next 12 months and see what happens…

Posted September 9, 2012 5:50 am 


Cutman

Klits are the GOAT of heavyweight division. They’ll beat any of the historic figures from that weight class, they’re too big and too strong!

Posted September 9, 2012 5:48 am 


Cutman

The writer of this article made a BIG error comparing ward to the klits…

Posted September 9, 2012 5:44 am 


Anonymous

There is only 1 way to settle the argument – Joe Calzaghe needs to come out of retirement and get it on with Ward.

Posted September 9, 2012 5:41 am 


The Geeza

people forget bhop gave calzaghe all sorts of bother and in m mind ward is better than hopkins so based on their similar styles id go. for close ward descsion

as roy jones junior cant really say, in his prime he looked to fast for anyone but Ward has def gotthe tools to get the job done

Posted September 9, 2012 5:26 am 


jimboogie

:wink: The Joe Calzaghe that beat Kessler already had bad hands and was on the slide.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:50 am 


Adrian

Calzage beat kesler easy who was the best boxer that ward fought in the turnamet and he struggled …

Posted September 9, 2012 4:48 am 


Adrian

Yeah and Lewis beat klitchko right? Lol

Posted September 9, 2012 4:44 am 


PitBull Petrill

I agree with barlow: you can’t block everything and Joe had such tremendous handspeed, great footwork, and a non-stop work rate. I think back to the blistering speed of the combos he threw against Lacy and the reflexes he had. Both men are great but I see Joe via UD.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:43 am 


Popkins

Full credit to Ward though, he is beating the best out there and is now probably up to no.5 P4P.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:20 am 


boxing barlow

It’s hard to say who would win a fight. But my money would have been on calzaghe. His foot work and volume of punches would have been the perfect solution to Ward’s style.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:19 am 


Popkins

But how would Ward do against the Calzaghe that destroyed Jeff Lacy over 12 or crushed Veit in 1? THAT version of Calzaghe may even have stopped Ward in the later rounds.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:19 am 


Popkins

In California…Calzaghe would win a close points decision. In Cardiff’s millennium stadium…Joe would win a comfortable UD.

Posted September 9, 2012 4:08 am 


BEARS

also i didnt like how the HBO crew seemed to chuckle at wards use of his head. Has HBO found a new c**k to ride now that floyd and manny are about out? Can ward repeat what he did tonight with weight drained dawson on other fighters or in other words do what he has not done his entire career until tonight?

Posted September 9, 2012 3:41 am 


BEARS

before dawson got hurt. his foot work and his punches his “overall body of work” was TOTALLY different prior to getting “zapped” and not being able to “recover” from the sapping of making weight. his legs were as fast or faster than wards at times and his hand speed was there. I think its possible that the 168 lbs really detracted from what this fight couldve been. ward could not concussively effect anyone in the super 6. he couldnt ko edison miranda. but abraham, pavlik, and bute could ko miranda. i think fighting adamek, glen johnson, pascal, tarver, and hopkins showed bad chad has a good jaw. I think andre ward has shown he is no power house. it just makes sense to me that signing this fight at 168 was a blunder for everyone as im not even giving ward copius ammounts of praise due to the dubious quality/condition chad seemed to enter the ring. i believed chad in saying it wouldnt effect him, i think chad believed it too because he was confident and truly didnt think it would impact him. it clearly did

Posted September 9, 2012 3:37 am 


The Prince

You people need to stop comparing Ward to Lacy. Ward is light years better than Lacy was, who was over-hyped. Ward has proven since the Amateurs that he is something special. A Ward and Calzaghe fight wouldn’t be the same, and Calzaghe himself knows this, which is why he would’ve never taken the fight anyway.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:31 am 


The Prince

Now I see Ward losing to a prime Roy Jones Jr. because Roy was such an athletic beast that masterful boxing alone wasn’t enough to beat him, because Roy would come at you from old angles and not stick around to get hit back.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:28 am 


hake

I swore and a bunch of us guys before the Lacy – Calzaghe fight started. all of us said no way can Calzaghe beat this muscled up strong superman fighter like Jeff Lacy. We were all proven wrong and saw greatness in Joe C. Amazing fighter ! Wish he was arounf fighting still

Posted September 9, 2012 3:28 am 


The Prince

Ward fought and beat tougher competition that Calzaghe did in his whole career. Ward would win hands down.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:25 am 


Bob McFist

Let’s get some perspective. Watch the fight again, Dawson did “nothing”. You have to throw punches to win rounds and Dawson didn’t. It’s really quite simple. Regarding Calzaghe, you can be sure he will throw everything he has and with the size of his heart, the strength of his chin and his iron will, he’s a nightmare for any fighter out there.

Hopkins made it a close fight because Hopkins did what he does best and that’s spoil the fight. Had Hopkins boxed he’d have lost more convincingly.

Ward / Calzaghe would be an intruiging matchup but my instinct tells me that Calzaghe’s workrate and experience would see him through to a close UD. If Calz lost the fight it wouldn’t be a stoppage, it would be through a close UD where Ward spoils Calz’s workrate but I’m not sure Ward has that experience yet.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:25 am 


Poncho

Ward has a video game living in his parent basement look there. Calzaghe was super good when he fought. Awesome fighter ! Calzaghe beats Ward

Posted September 9, 2012 3:25 am 


AUTHORITY

Ward, is a very complex puzzle for any fighter to solve. He seems to have the perfect game plan for each opponent. Being able to execute the plan perfectly is also worth mentioning. What a shame we can’t truly see who would reign supreme in a match between Ward and Calzaghe. Joe had good movement, very good speed and carried respectable power in both hands. He also had a lion’s ticker, a solid beard and crazy endurance. All of this together with Calzaghe’s will and determination, tells me he beats Ward convincingly. It’s difficult for Ward to take away Calzaghe’s best weapon (punches in bunches) without eating punches in bunches. I don’t believe that Ward has the power to keep Calzaghe, from imposing his will. I’d be willing to pay $75.00, if suddenly the conditions could be created where both fighters could step into the ring in their respective primes.

Posted September 9, 2012 3:13 am 


HHLondon

On ya bike!

An old Hopkins beat Calzaghe, Lazy was overrated, a terrible kismatch and Kessler was a decent win at the time!

Prime Calzaghe would beat Ward!

Posted September 9, 2012 3:08 am 


Steven

Andre Ward would of lost to Cal man. Cal was damn good. He was amazing !

Posted September 9, 2012 3:06 am 


boxing 101

What gets me is when people say a younger Roy Jones or a younger Hopkins would beat Calzaghe. Bull ! Calzaghe wanted Hopkins for years way before age 40. Hopkins would not sign it. Until the time Hopkins was old and gets beat what excuse ARE U PEOPLE USING NOW ????? WELL HOPKINS WAS AGE 43 THAT DOESMT COUNT. You people are pathetic ! except the fact Calzaghe would beat these fighters even if they were young including Ward

Posted September 9, 2012 3:04 am 


James

These idiots on here saying Ward would beat Calslappy are the same idiots that said Hopkins, Lacy and jones would beat Calzaghe. You guys are stupid

Posted September 9, 2012 3:01 am 


Hey!! That’s my Bike!!

The only question that is needed “When will Ward get a Passport”? Hell, even cross the state border might be a challenge. He has no following because he is boring. He struggles to sell-out the Oakland YMCA.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:56 am 


First MAJOR Fight ALI/FRAZIER I

It is easy to look good when you are better athletically than your opponent. That describes the great majority of Joe’s fights. After a great opening few rounds against Eubank it became a very even fight (but this was a short notice near career end fight for CE). Against Kessler, Joe struggled in an even affair for the first half of the fight and closed the second half which demonstrated that he had an edge on Mikkel athletically in terms of hand speed, coordination, reflexes, and talent. Against Hopkins, Joe looked terrible for the entire time and it was apparent that a much younger Hopkins would have been an absolute nightmare for Calz. Facing an Andre Ward level athlete would have been a certain loss for Calzaghe. Ward is too quick, too quick from side to side and quick in and out. Joe never had great defensive attributes just generally mediocre competition. Offensively, Ward is more multi-faceted in that he can pot shot and counter if Joe has the engine and fortitude to push the fight in the early rounds and will inevitably be dictating the fight in the second half has a discouraged Joe struggles to find a way to score points on the more elusive and superior athlete.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:49 am 


not brittard

ward would stop joe calzslappy.

Posted September 9, 2012 2:32 am 


FenoM

S.O.G = REAL P4P K1NG

Posted September 9, 2012 2:31 am 



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