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Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

BREAKING NEWS:

American Chris Weidman just KTFO of the great Anderson Silva!!!

USA! USA! USA!

Great job, Chris, on bringing the MMA MW Championship of the World Title/Strap back to the USA!

Silva said that he DOES NOT want a rematch with Weidman.

Posted July 7, 2013 1:03 am 


TARK

Lewis did not fight a southpaw… Lewis even stated himself, “I never fought a southpaw” when he was doing commentating and discussing the southpaw style.

If you have 3 inches in height in a southpaw.. And he’s a guy who likes to dip right, slip right, and throw right hooks, you can definitely catch him with left hooks following the jab whenever you get him to slip the other direction.. as Wladimir did.. Kenny Weldon is certainly not the be all and end all of boxing technique.. He sent Liakhovich out against Helenius for that last round and the man was clearly hurt.. He admittedly allowed Sergie to fight against Briggs when the guy was so injured with bad ribs and a tendon that he couldn’t even spar.. Now, of course, whoever is making fights for Liakhovich matched him against Wilder. I know that wasn’t Weldon.

It’s not that Wladimir is so much faster than Price… He has vastly more knowledge and skills… Obviously you have to practice a technique on the double end bags.. the focus pads.. and in sparring before you try it in a fight.. and you have try it before it works.

Posted July 6, 2013 5:11 pm 


Coucou

Tark, Lewis fought a southpaw Gorrel

Posted July 6, 2013 4:36 pm 


Anonymous

More drivel from the ESB know it all TARK. scottboy handing TARK his ass though.

Posted July 6, 2013 4:28 pm 


scottyboy

Tark…you’re comparing Floyd Mayweather to David Price here and it’s pitiful. Besides being the best defensive fighter the game has ever seen, Floyd has arguably the fastest hands the game has ever seen. That guy breaks every rule in the book and still has the skills to avoid ever being hit cleanly. He throws the lead right with such speed it lands before his opponent can counter it with even a jab. Hardly a level comparison with Price and even so, Floyd will be slower at it than throwing the hook after a previous right hand due to his foot adjustments. Kenny Weldon posts on here fairly regularly (or he used to back when I was a regular), if he crops up on here I’m sure he’ll confirm my statement that that is really bad advice.

There is a punch for every situation and there will be a situation when if someone is quick enough, the hook off the jab would be very useful but definitely not for a very large HW fighting (an albeit aging) southpaw with a useful jab. As for being one punch; it is not. It is two separate shots each requiring adjustments of the feet which have a reaction time and a proportional delay in throwing the hook. To throw the combination in one movement would mean very little power on the hook and make it not worth the effort to throw. A double jab is much more effective for a large HW.

Your explanation on Wlad v Mercer is also incorrect. Wlad actually throws two left hooks to floor Mercer. Besides this, Mercer is an orthodox fighter and had a very useful jab himself, even at 41 years old. If he was a southpaw and wlad was trying to hook off the jab he would have been eating solid jabs all night.

Posted July 6, 2013 4:15 pm 


TARK

scottyboy… You’ve never fought at top level or you wouldn’t spout such tired bull.. You don’t throw what the other guy expects.. He’s had 2nd rate fighters do that his whole life, in Thompson’s case, most unsuccessfully..

Check Floyd’s fight with Judah.. Floyd started following the jab with the hook, then the right.. and he started beating Zab up after losing rounds early and getting knocked down, although that was missed by the referee. Floyd made critical adjustments, and he hadn’t fought that many southpaws to that point.

When I’m talking about hooking-off-the jab it’s a sophisicated technique and not for amateurs.. It works well against southpaws and Carlos Ortiz used it as a specific strategy against Kenny Lane.. It’s not a jab and then hook.. It’s one punch. You turn the jab into a hook, like the hook-off-the-jab Wladimir scored in the 1st round vs Ray Mercer — that was the 1st head shot that ever floored Ray Mercer … a perfect hook-off-the-jab that connected with the temple.

Posted July 6, 2013 3:16 pm 


scottyboy

Tark….the hook off the jab is not a natural combination (especially for a big man) and requires significant foot alterations to get off with decent power on the hook. The natural punch to follow a jab is obviously a right cross as the feet are already poised to push the power through from the legs, the right foot twisting up in the process. The natural punch preceding a solid left hook is obviously this right hand as the feet are already poised to recoil the energy from the previous punch with the right foot slamming back down and the left foot coming up to shift the body weight into the punch. To set the feet to hook off the jab takes a mere fraction of a second but that’s all it takes for a knowledgeable southpaw to throw a risk-free jab in your face as you commit to the punch.

For all the reasons I gave below, this is ridiculous for a slow, big man to try on a southpaw. To visualise this (I’m assuming you would box orthodox), imagine a southpaw trying that with you. The fraction of a second would be more than enough to whip out a jab to his head everytime. He’d soon learn. Anyone who knows the first thing about boxing would tell you that is at best, amateurish advice posted by a keyboard warrior. As it’s plainly obvious you have never laced up a pair if your life, I’d say you clearly don’t fall into the category of knowing the first thing about boxing and I’d suggest you find someone who has and ask for verification. Next!

Posted July 6, 2013 2:47 pm 


TARK

First southpaw who ever got a “heavyweight” title shot was 1966.

Posted July 6, 2013 2:28 pm 


TARK

Old school … is old school… Old school was, “Don’t fight southpaws.”

The first southpaw who ever got a title shot in the history of Boxing was the 194-pound, inept Karl Mildenberger in 1966… This is new school.. You learn how to fight southpaws … and you don’t let them take your jab away.

Posted July 6, 2013 2:11 pm 


TARK

Scotty Boy…, “Hooking off the jab requires very subtle foot movements”

Everything you throw takes skilled footwork you dummy.. You need skills to box at this level.. The reason you jab a lot and hook off the jab on occasion — if you have a 3 inch height advantage on a southpaw — is Thompson hangs back a lot, looks for you to load the right, and counters with right uppercuts and hooks.. That’s one of his main deals.. You can pop him straight away with jabs and sometimes he try to slip left.. If you time him right you can step in and nail him with a hook off the jab, then a straight right.. If you catch him well you can take him out.. If he slips right and you try to follow with a straight right and miss that’s when he’ll come with that right hook … Like I said he’s got a lot of KO’s.

Posted July 6, 2013 2:05 pm 


huckster

anything less might give the tiger another trip to visit wlad. wlad will sell it. germans will buy it. oh no!

Posted July 6, 2013 1:17 pm 


BIG FOOT

Sean O’Grady fought Jim Watt and stated that he thought he was a converted southpaw because he had a hard jab but not necessarily a hard right.

Posted July 6, 2013 11:34 am 


MARK IV

I never realized that LL never fought a south paw. I knew he fought a guy just out of rehab though.

Posted July 6, 2013 11:30 am 


strongman

The old school way of fighting a southpaw is lefthooks and right hands do not ever jab with a crafty southpaw Thompson 3 losses 2 of them were to Wlad .Wlad was outlanded by Thompson the first fight,

Posted July 6, 2013 11:26 am 


strongman

Why did Price come off even thinking he is ready for a savvy veteran like Thompson .

Posted July 6, 2013 11:06 am 


Fish Eyes

More drivel from the ESB know it all TARK.

Posted July 6, 2013 10:53 am 


scottyboy

‘Lewis never fought a southpaw… You can’t be telling somebody to go out and rip a southpaws head off.. They’ll rip you with that right hook every time.. You fight them the way Wladimir fought Thompson the first time.. You jab them and hook off the jab a lot’…

LOL, what kind of idiotic statement is that?? Hooking off the jab requires very subtle foot movements in order to get any sort of power from the hook after the jab is thrown (try this yourself and see). This inevitably slows the move down considerably and against an orthodox fighter will land you in serious risk of eating a straight right hand over the top. Against a southpaw though (assuming they’re a worthy opponent of course), it will only result in your opponent landing a right jab every time as your hook will be significantly slower than their jab which can be thrown risk-free. Tommy Morrison used to achieve this well but I could hardly picture a 6-8″ fighter like Price hooking off the jab at all, let alone risking it against someone that has just proved he can ko him with one right hand. Bad advice!!

Posted July 6, 2013 8:57 am 


Lenin

I guess this will be like Banks vs. Mitchell II – very boring, with a very cautious Price winning this by UD over a not well trained veteran.

Posted July 6, 2013 8:35 am 


T22

Tark im sure Lewis fought a few southpaws as an amateur. Wasnt Aneurin Evans a southpaw he fought in the Commonwealth games. I watched Evans as an amateur many times in the 80′s and Im sure he was. Or the very least a switch hitter. And I know Kevin McCormack was but not sure if they fought.

Posted July 6, 2013 7:39 am 


TARK

Lewis never fought a southpaw… You can’t be telling somebody to go out and rip a southpaws head off.. They’ll rip you with that right hook every time.. You fight them the way Wladimir fought Thompson the first time.. You jab them and hook off the jab a lot.. Don’t worry about the body until about round 4. Just don’t let them get an angle on you. Be patient because they punch from weird angles you’re just not used to..

Southpaws are more troubling for heavyweights than any other division.. Ali was the first Heavyweight Champion who fought a southpaw.. another southpaw didn’t get a heavyweight title shot until the 1990′s.. Lewis never fought one.. They are commonplace today, but if you’ve never fought a good one you’re in for an experience.

Posted July 6, 2013 4:00 am 


the voice of reason

The guy cant have a bettre mentor than lennox lewis. If lewis believes in him – you can bet your life that hes shown lennox enough. should be very a very interesting night

Posted July 6, 2013 3:33 am 


TARK

Why does Price always look like an exhausted 45-year-old foundry worker who just came off a 12-hour shift???

Posted July 6, 2013 2:33 am 


rod

Price vs Thompson2 will be like Wlad vs Pianetta. Price this time will completely dominant him with power and a sharp jab

Posted July 5, 2013 11:44 pm 


BLUESMAN

Thompson should’ve come in somewhere in the lower 240′s, but I think he’ll still ko Price again, who’s jaw has proven to be glass. As it’s been said, Thompson’s style is not an easy one to handle and he has the vast edge in experience & good boxing skills, whereas Price is VERY green.

Posted July 5, 2013 11:10 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Murderman is on Beat Street.

Posted July 5, 2013 10:28 pm 


murderman

Really does it matter? Klit are killed thompson! Klit will smash price! End of discussion!

Posted July 5, 2013 9:29 pm 


Limey jay

Price will knock out Thompson this time , it makes me laugh when I hear that price was
” exposed” as if he was somehow a fake, he wasn’t exposed he just got knocked out…which happens sometimes when giant men punch each other in the head…..that’s the fight game in a nutshell, and that’s why the heavies are so iconic in boxing folklore.
As for the word exposed , that to me would imply that the winner dominated the fight with skill and relative ease, that wasn,t the case at all as we all know.
Price is ,and has always been a prospect, in a pretty shallow division , dominated by the klitschko boys way out on their own……lets not forget that the younger bro wlad hit he canvas so many times early in his career he got a “cauliflower arse”…… It never stopped him progressing, in fact I,d say it helped him become a much better and more versatile fighter because of the losses .
We will find out later on tonight if price can avenge his loss, I think he will, quite comfortably,
And i look forward to what should be a very interesting fight.

Posted July 5, 2013 9:24 pm 


TARK

The deal is Thompson is not a genius, he was just actively throwing… He actually threw a right uppercut, right hook combination never dreaming he was going to end the fight.. He just connected..

t’s tough to fight a very tall southpaw who can hit and Wladimir had experience with a tall, hard punching southpaw before he ever fought Thompson.. Miguel Cotto has tons of experience but couldn’t avoid Trout’s right hooks and crafty angles.. Cotto has a great trainer who had no answers.. James Toney was a great a boxer as you’ll ever see, but Michael Nunn gave him living Hell for a lot of rounds, because he was ripping those right hooks into Toney’s super tough head.

How many rounds has Price fought??? And how many rounds has Thompson fought??? It’s not an easy style to handle if you lack experience.

Posted July 5, 2013 8:17 pm 


von Pugsly

The Price is not right!

Posted July 5, 2013 8:09 pm 


Prof Konje

Price will get the same as he got the last time he fought Thompson. Since when is Lewis a trainer? He may have been able to box, but that doesn’t mean that he could impart his knowledge onto Price and have Price carry it out. Price and everyone else may have to face the fact that he just isn’t that good. A word of advice to Price is that even if he does manage a win (unlikely) he had better get the thought of fighting either K brother out of his mind.

Posted July 5, 2013 7:57 pm 


TARK

This pundit says…, “Thompson just covered up and waited for Price to telegraph one of his uppercuts from too far away and he then smacked him with a right hook that knocked him out.”

That is NOT what happened… Thompson didn’t wait for anything.. He wheeled to his right and threw a right hook lead, not a counter shot.. When the punch was on the way Price, who had his left hand way down, started throwing a right hand, seemingly not paying any attention at all to the right hook. His own aborted throw put his body weight smack into the right hook causing a much stronger impact. When 2 guys are throwing lefts and rights this ofen happens. Lewis was throwing a right when McCall nailed him and put him out.

Thompson has a lot of KOs… In the heavyweight division, if you’re not paying attention for a split second, the fight can end.

Posted July 5, 2013 7:46 pm 


Londoner

British or no, I can’t support an inbred scouser. Go Tony!

Posted July 5, 2013 7:29 pm 


MAGOMED ABDUSALAMOV

2 more unlikely looking opponents i have yet to see

Posted July 5, 2013 7:14 pm 



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