Te Tumbo- if Cotto can’t make 147, he better take his strength training to a new level, because the Cotto that fought Trout was too small to use his style effectively. In that scenario, as you very well say, he’s destined to be a gatekeeper at 154 the rest of his career.
Tark- Trinidad guys with good jabs like Camacho-Whitaker-Blocker and Reid. It’s not like anyone with a jab just ran over the guy.Posted July 10, 2013 2:15 pm
Tark – 3 Vegas Pro Judges gave Tito Trinidad the fight not even close. Only one guy came to fight the other came to survive. Even Fernando Vargas a Fellow Mexican at the fight when asked about how Oscar did said “He (Oscar) is not mexican because Mexicans do not run” Both guys were Champions at the time and both had to take it from the other.. Oscar never backed up, hurt or dropped Trinidad.. All Oscar did was back peddle for the first 6 rounds then flat out RUN for the last 6 it was humiliating.. Oscar was never the same after Tito Beat him.. going on to lose 6 more fights.. He lost 2 to Mosely, Mayweather, Felix Sturm an obvious Robbery, Quit on his stool vs Tiny Paquiao, dropped by a tummy tap vs a weight Drained Hopkins, after that humiliating performance he fell apart and was never the same.. Tito took his heart and exposed the Cross dressing Runner…Posted July 10, 2013 7:37 am
before Oscar got with Floyd Mayweather SrPosted July 10, 2013 3:45 am
Mosley wasn’t much smaller… And if you watch the 1st round Mosley was tagging Oscar with jabs from the outside like crazy… Mosley’s jab was so superior to Oscar’s, before Oscar got with Floyd Mayweather Jr. that it was ridiculous… That’s the only reason Oscar tried to trade.. He couldn’t box until he got with Floyd Sr and the first round with Mosley proved that with all the jabs Oscar was eating.
Against the inept Trinidad, Oscar was sure winner.. He jabbing the crap out of Tito, and was ahead 6-3 in rounds after 9… Then he ran like a jack rabbit for the last 3 rounds and threw away a certain victory.Posted July 10, 2013 3:44 am
“DLH admitted Mosley whipped him a lot better than Trinidad did.”
Tumbo…. I was referrring to Shane’s FIRST fight with De La Hoya… NOT the fight Oscar gave him 6 years later when Shane went on a 3-bout winless streak — which was his record for the 3 fights before facing DLH again.. DLH admitted Mosley whipped him a lot better than Trinidad did.
srminimo…. Trinidad was just too easy to jab… No way on God’s green Earth Tito ever beats somebody with a masterful jab like Cotto’s.. Cotto had one of the best jabs in the business and Tito was one of the most wide open for jabs in the business..
That’s a freakin’ SHUTOUT!!!Posted July 9, 2013 10:47 pm
So other people’s bad behaviour excuses Margarito? How does that work? The prisons would be emptied tomorrow.Posted July 9, 2013 9:13 pm
AFICIONADO, it’s that kind of selective outrage that compels me to defend the integrity of Margarito and Mayweather. Tark et. al. never fail to sling their “Margacheato” smut whenever Margarito’s name is mentioned. never mind that Tony was fined, suspended, and consistently maintained his personal innocence while conceding his personal negligence. Shane was awarded a gift-decision, caught-up in the BALCO scandal, reluctantly confessed to cheating, but has yet to experience a single penalty from any boxing commission or sanctioning body. nonetheless, the Damning facts are hidden in plain sight for “experts” like Tark to ignore(?). meanwhile, Floyd smacks his baby-mama (who previously lied about the same accusation) and is relentlessly referred to as a “wife-beater” and “coward”. yet on another boxing site, posters are gushing over LaMotta who routinely intimidated and beat his barely-legal wife. Monzon murdered his wife but Tark doesn’t hesitate to praise his ring-accomplishments. it’s a glaring double-standard that i gleefully highlight with my defense of Margarito.Posted July 9, 2013 6:52 pm
SRMINIMO, Cotto is simply to bulky to easily make 147lbs ever again. it’s dehydrating for him. unfortunately, he’s also too small in physical stature to effectively compete with any prominent fighter above 147lbs except (IMO) for Lara. i watched the Lara v. Angulo fight up close and personal and let me tell you: Angulo looked TERRIBLE. i seriously suspected that he might be throwing the fight until those KDs began to happen but that’s also how unimpressive Lara looked. he was being Decked and gradually worn down by an opponent who to be throwing the fight(?!). even in a losing effort, Cotto was more effective v. a bigger Margarito. IMO, Lara lacks the grit that enabled Margarito to shift momentum in his favor v. Cotto. bottomline, grit and durability have been difficult obstacles for Cotto to deal with. even in winning efforts. Cotto is a polished and professional boxer not a blood and guts ring-warrior willing to “die” in the ring. because of these factors, i’m convinced that Cotto can defeat Lara and will experience some scary flashbacks v. Rodriguez.Posted July 9, 2013 5:58 pm
te tumbo, correct. Not only did Mosley lose the Oscar rematch by a wide margin, during the last 4 rounds he looked so horrible my friends and I were calling for his retirement. We were as shocked as Mosley was when the corrupt judges gave him the decision. Which should be reversed since he was on BALCO drugs in that bout.Posted July 9, 2013 5:44 pm
Tark-I do think Cotto is a more complete boxer than Tito, but Trinidad was a superior athlete with much better stamina, he was more durable and just had too much firepower. All those guys you talk about have longer arms and jabs than Cotto and much better defense. Cotto just gets hit too much and tires too fast to survive against Tito.Posted July 9, 2013 4:45 pm
te tumbo- I don’t think Cotto can provide the kind of pressure Angulo did at 154. Lara is weird in the sense that he’s a mover, but Molina and Angulo still found a way to get to him pretty successfully. But both those guys are bigger than Cotto and I think Lara would nullify Cotto’s pressure by manhandling him like Trout did and would eventually tire him out. For me, Cotto should go down to 147 where he can fight guys like Bradley, Guerrero, Berto… guys his size.Posted July 9, 2013 4:11 pm
TARK, Mosley did NOT beat DLH twice. in fact, his father was in the process of consoling Shane when the decision for the rematch was announced and the cameras caught both of their shocked expressions at the scorecard verdict. literally in “DLH’s backyard”(?!). during the post-fight interview, Mosley conceded that “i’ve lost some fights that i should’ve won and i’ve won some fights that i should’ve lost. that’s boxing . . .” (i wonder what other losses he was referring too?). afterwards, Shane admitted before a grand jury that he juiced for the rematch v. DLH. this is yet another example of your selective memory when it comes to “cheaters” in the sport of Boxing.Posted July 9, 2013 3:53 pm
IMO the author is too dismissive of Rodriguez. He’s a game fighter who will bring heat to Cotto if he’s on a downturn. Don’t think Roach can reverse his erosion.Posted July 9, 2013 2:04 pm
srminimo…, Cotto outboxed Mosley who beat Oscar twice… Mosley beat De La Hoya more convincingly than Trinidad beat Oscar a year earlier… I would have loved to see Cotto and DLH fight… And a Cotto-Trinidad fight would have been a GREAT fight… Cotto’s jab would have been too much for Trinidad like it was for Mosley. Winky Wright, Hopkins, and DLH all jabbed Trinidad fairly easily — but Cotto’s jab was right up there.
Cotto has one of the best jabs ever. Trinidad’s face invited jabs far more than Floyd’s face — but Floyd nevertheless tasted a few of MC’s finest. Those Q-Tips up the nose holes told the story.
Floyd…, “Miguel Cotto is the toughest fighter I’ve ever fought.”Posted July 9, 2013 12:49 pm
“Cotto made a mistake with Roach if he wants someone with knowledge and insight… But he doesn’t really need a knowledgeable coach at this stage… He’s an ATG and knows 10 times as much as Roach.. The thing is Roach will let him do anything he wants… Which is fine with Cotto.” I think Cotto should have stayed with Pedro Diaz. He would have been a much better trainer for the Rodriguez fight. But like I said, I think Cotto is going back with Roach and Top Rank for a reason–to get another shot at Manny Pacquaio and another big purse.Posted July 9, 2013 11:47 am
I don’t know wtf is going on but I have to “say it” five times for every post before it gets published. So I’ll try one more time:
Supreme Court, do some research. Freddie Roach did in fact train MMA fighters Silva and St. Pierre as well as others.Posted July 9, 2013 11:44 am
SRMINIMO, what do you think about a Cotto v. Lara matchup? if Angulo’s plodding pressure can result in two KDs then Cotto’s expert pressure and boxing skills will break and dismantle Lara over 12 rounds. perhaps Cotto doesn’t detect Lara’s vulnerability but from what i’ve seen of Lara he is ripe for the picking from an experienced boxer-puncher like Cotto. only a seriously-diminished Cotto loses to Lara. in which case, it’s still a better way to exit his career than v. Delvin or Molina.Posted July 9, 2013 11:34 am
i don’t understand the purpose for this move,roach is for young offensive minded fighters at this stage cotto needs a defensive wizard in his corner..yuuup!!Posted July 9, 2013 11:27 am
cotto is donePosted July 9, 2013 11:12 am
Te Tumbo- Cotto more legit than Tito? Name one fighter that beat Cotto that would have beat Tito at 147 or 154, where Trinidad never lost a fight. Money May would have been favored at 147, obviously, but he never really fough anything close to a prime Tito at WW, he had those fights at 130. At 154 Tito knocks him out.
Bottomline is Roach has tons of experience training fighters whose style is a more pressuring style.. Roach doesn’t train Finesses Boxers like Steward would..Posted July 9, 2013 6:29 am
Cotto made a mistake with Roach if he wants someone with knowledge and insight… But he doesn’t really need a knowledgeable coach at this stage… He’s an ATG and knows 10 times as much as Roach.. The thing is Roach will let him do anything he wants… Which is fine with Cotto.Posted July 9, 2013 1:50 am
changing coaches a lot smells of externalising your own problems and blaming someone else. Cotto needs stability and simplicity, not continuous shifting around getting different messages from different folk.Posted July 9, 2013 1:44 am
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Public Enemy is on Beat Street with that last comment.Posted July 9, 2013 12:58 am
The Cuban Trainer although a nice guy and a good trainer was all wrong for Cotto. He tried to make Cotto a Boxer mover like most Cuban Amateurs.. that’s not Cottos strength.. Cotto natural style is a pressure fighter who hooks hard and continues pressuring.. alot like many Mexican Fighters.. Roach knows that style and can bring that back out in Cotto.. If you look at the Cotto Mayweather fight when Cotto fought like the Old Cotto, pressure with lots of Hooks he got the Better of Mayweather, when he backed off and tried to out Box Mayweather he clearly lost rounds needlessly… Roach will be a much better fit for Cotto then the Cuban trainer…Posted July 8, 2013 10:12 pm
Didn’t Delvin Rogriguez get knockedafkoutCold by Jesse Feliciano??Posted July 8, 2013 10:06 pm
Talent is not skill… Talent IS potential… Talent you’re born with… Gifted with.Posted July 8, 2013 7:35 pm
Tumbo says…. “I don’t think Chavez Jr. is that talented at all.” … He is.. He won a world title and went 12 rounds with a great middleweight … all without having a stance… finished defensive skills… a jab… a straight right… or any kind of precision footwork… He was outboxed easily by a shorter man for 11 rounds, making himself available to be hit by an oldster with less than sturdy knees.
He was smart to change trainers… But he would have made that move years ago if he was ambitious… But I don’t think he’s looking to work hard — he seems to be looking for whatever money fights are out there… He’ll pull down a between 10 and 15 million over the next 5 or 6 years winning, losing, and drifting along… I don’t think he’s concerned with legacy, skills, reputation, history … or you name it.
It’s a classic case of talent mixed with apathy.Posted July 8, 2013 6:50 pm
SRMINIMO, i think Molina would be a very difficult but commendable challenge for Cotto. i think somebody like Lara would be a less difficult challenge and THAT’s the prospect Cotto should attempt to bumrush and dump outside the gate. bigger Name, less risk, and much bigger return.Posted July 8, 2013 3:18 pm
“if you’re talented, it’s usually the training you’ve gotten”. i don’t think Chavez Jr. is that talented at all. however, he is big, determined, and durable. he’s also developed a solid left-hook to the head and body but i consider that to be more a tribute to his legendary father than the result of intentional training. in that sense, Chavez Jr. is no less “talented” than Pacquiao* but what Manny* also brings to the table is a willingness to train hard and physically-prepare himself for his biggest bouts withOut boiling-down to an artificial weight or having to rehydrate a dangerous amount of weight. perhaps Jr. also has the “talent” of being able to engage in 12 rounds of give-and-take action at a higher weight(?) but until he practices and learns how to diligently prepare for just that (with the help of Heredia?) we may never know.Posted July 8, 2013 3:15 pm
WELL SAID THIRTY YEARS AGO HE WOULD NEVER BE A WORLD CHAMPPosted July 8, 2013 3:09 pm
If Cotto loses to Delvin, it’s over.Posted July 8, 2013 3:09 pm
EDD, i don’t consider Cotto’s or anybody’s ethnicity when describing their fighting/boxing ability. that’s a cop-out unless You can provide me with compelling evidence as to why i should or should’ve considered Cotto the next Gomez or Camacho(?). otherwise, i watched a dehydrated Cotto almost KTFO by Corley at 140lbs, an undersized Cotto wore out by Tony at 147lbs, and a ringworn Cotto struggle mightily v. Trout at 154lbs where he also lost to the 147lb Mayweather. Cotto has no “Ws” to counter the effect of these big losses and little potential for collecting them now on the downside of his pro-career. no need to cite ethnicity in this strictly boxing-related analysis. it is what it is and Cotto is no Gomez or Camacho but he is more legit and respectable than Trinidud. nothing controversial about Cotto’s wins or losses. IMO, that reinforces the integrity of a fighter’s ring-profile and Cotto’s is solid but not strong enough to crack any “expert” or fight-fan’s list of top 100 fighters in the history of the sport.Posted July 8, 2013 3:00 pm
hot news! Damian Jonak from Poland 37-0-0 is Cotto opponent (99%!) !!Posted July 8, 2013 2:57 pm
When you’re a thinking boxer, training is a conversation… You don’t just say Uh huh to everything… You say, “What about this? How about this? Won’t that cause a problem with this?” …. Steward said he learned the most by listening to the feedback from his boxers..
Wladimir related in an interview here what Steward told him.., “Ladimir… Boxers are smarter than trainers… I learned more from my boxers than I ever learned by boxing myself.”Posted July 8, 2013 2:42 pm
Hidalgo…. If Chavez doesn’t have a jab… a stance… a straight right… a defense… and doesn’t move well — that’s the fault of his trainers so far… That’s why he’s a face fighter… They didn’t teach him anything — or maybe he’s just freakin’ stupid and can’t learn… Maybe it’s a little of both, but if you’re talented, it’s usually the training you’ve gotten.
If Khan lacks an inside defense and doesn’t have any clinching skills… That’s the fault of the trainers he’s had so far… They didn’t teach him anything — or maybe he’s just freakin’ stupid and can’t learn… Maybe it’s a little of both, but if you’re talented it’s usually the training you’ve gotten.
Wladimir Klitschko had a lot of problems when he was 41-1… WK had about 20 trainers in 20 years who didn’t teach him finished skills… He went into the Sanders fight not knowing how to clinch or defend himself… He hired one more guru—Emmanuel Steward—and in the course of the next 3 or 4 years solved all the problems.
You just have to keep searching until you find a guy who knows something real… Joe Louis was lucky. His trainer knew it all. Joe was very young and super talented, and he even listened good for a few years… Floyd listened good for longer than a few.Posted July 8, 2013 2:33 pm
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murderman: Thanks for getting my back, but don’t scare ‘em too bad player! These guys are just Britards that are all butt-hurt because their national “wet dream” Davey Boy Price got smashed again in front of his home crowd by the Tiger.
I’ve lost my temper countless times on ESB and challenged these type fools to meet up to throw down. And they cower down like little b*tches ever single time…LOL. Little F’ing keyboard warriors who couldn’t fight there way out a wet paper bag. This site is crawling with ‘em.Posted July 8, 2013 12:44 pm
“I don’t know what the deal is with hiring Freddie Roach to be your trainer. Unless you think it’s politic with the judges to have him in your corner, like Povetkin might think. Boxers were abandoning Roach left and right, and now he going to be training Cotto, Povetkin, and Pacquiao for their next fights. There’s a massive scarcity of good trainers of course … That’s a fact.”
Tark, you should know better. Amir Khan quit Roach after Garcia KOd him. Coincidentally, Khan also quit his trainer after Prescott KOd him, As you have said yourself many times, Khan’s problems lie with himself.
Chavez Jr. quit Roach after Martinez humiliated him. Of course smoking pot before the fight and being lackadaisical about training didn’t help Chavez either. You yourself has pointed out that Chavez has no jab, no straight right, , he can’t box, etc. Again, the problems lie much more with Chavez than they do with Roach. Chavez fights with his face–just like Antonio Margarito. Freddie can only work with what a fighter will give him.
And don’t forget, Roach also trains or has trained MMA super champions Anderson Silva and George St. Pierre–that’s two of the ATG’s in the history of MMA.
You’re a boxing purist Tark. I appreciate that. But just like boxers have different fighting styles, so there are trainer’s who have different training styles and who specialize in training boxers with certain styles. Those aspects don’t make Roach a terrible trainer. BTW, just to remind you, Roach helped Pacquiao to win several world championship titles. Roach helped Khan to win the jr. welterweight championship title. He helped Chavez Jr. to win the WBC middleweight title.
Tell us all again what it is exactly that is so terrible about a trainer that has helped so many boxers and fighters to win titles? BTW, isn’t Roach training Chavez for a fight with Murray in August?Posted July 8, 2013 12:04 pm
Cotto is the new Fernando Vargas.Posted July 8, 2013 11:07 am
Recognizing that there were/are as many great fighters from Puerto Rico as in mexico, my views are not twisted, biased nor skewed towards fighters solely from El Borinquen. But nobody has bought the fight dynamics of Chavez, Sanchez, Pintor since….none.Posted July 8, 2013 10:58 am
Tumbito…you’ve never been high on ANY fighter from Puerto Rico so stop your BS.Posted July 8, 2013 10:52 am
I’d rather see Cotto against Bradley or Maidana at 147, but really , who the hell is D. Rodriguez. Cotto fighting Delvin is the same BS as Floyd fighting Guerrero, makes no sense. Whats the point.Posted July 8, 2013 10:46 am
Cotto is one of my favorite fighters ever but at this point new trainers don’t make much of a difference, what happened to cotto is the same that happened to Vargas after the Tito fight, they were never the same fighters after those warsPosted July 8, 2013 10:12 am
WTF? Cotto had a great coach. The problem is he is too damned small for 154. Roach has had a streak of fighters getting beat up and stopped. WTF does Roach bring to the table that Cotto’s last coach didn’t? More fighters so an inability to focus on Cotto? Unless Cotto goes to 147 I think he should probably hang them up after his next fight. Since he is with Top Rank, I have no idea who he would be matched with.Posted July 8, 2013 10:10 am
MNboxingFAN – Sean
Cotto’s strategy has become to change trainers every fight until he wins. News flash. It’s over Cotto. You’re a great guy and were a great fighter, but if you want to keep any brain cells retire and retire soon.Posted July 8, 2013 8:28 am
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KOrnerman: If you really believe that…. you’re the PATHETIC one!Posted July 8, 2013 8:19 am
Pete- 100% with you, mcGirt is by far the worst trainer in the sport.Posted July 8, 2013 7:42 am
The news in PR say he’ll be fighting Carlos Molina. Is he Mexican enough for you tt:)Posted July 8, 2013 7:39 am
Squared-Circle=murderman + Pathetic really !!Posted July 8, 2013 7:02 am
cotto being trained by roach…. roach can add more on the offensive arsenal of cotto, this being said, hopefully we can see a cotto that can pressure, put combinations together, cut off the ring, and bring back some of his deadly body blows. just be careful, Roach is not known as a defensive trainer. he could pay the price when he lets go his fist and swings wide open… nuff said.Posted July 8, 2013 6:43 am
I wouldn’t be underestimating delvin against an aging cot to. I’ve been pretty impressed with a couple of delvins fights and it could be a well timed match for him especially if cot to is not prepared.Posted July 8, 2013 4:57 am
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murderman: Thank you, my friend! You are 100% hitting the nail on the head as well here. Very careful match-making until he can fully gauge where’s at and what he’s got left in the tank. Who knows… maybe Master Roach can teach him a thing or two. But as the saying goes: “It’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks.” IMO, the state of Cotto’s career is a big mystery right now.Posted July 8, 2013 4:20 am
he should fight Damian JonakPosted July 8, 2013 3:27 am
@ sc – you are right on yet again! Cotto too big for 147 but too small n short for 154. So as long as he stays at 154 he will have to do some careful match making. Any top 5 guy at 154 is out of the question for now. Depend on how he looks agains delvin will say alone about cotto n how much he has left!Posted July 8, 2013 3:13 am
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Some quality discussion going on here, no child’s play.
How much does Cotto have left? That is the million dollar question and I think we’ll find out in his next fight. Cotto’s main problem is that he can no longer make weight at 147lbs and is small for Jr. MW. He is only about 5’7″ and has a short reach. The top dogs at 154lbs are all taller and longer (Canelo, Lara, Kirkland, etc.)
And we all know that Cotto has been in some wars throughout his career, so it will be interesting to see just how much he has left. Delvin is a good boxer, but definitely not in the elite class. I’d rate him at class B- completion for the most part. Seems that Cotto is looking for a sure W, considering he’s coming off two hard losses. And he should be able to beat Delvin even though he’s tall and lanky.
But to me the larger question is as follows: Is Cotto still interesting in fighting elite competition for major Titles? Or is he satisfied with being a gatekeeper and just out to make some money to pad his retirement accounts??? We will see based on whether or not he’s willing to fight Canelo, Lara, Kirkland and Perro. But I do think it’s a very wise move to hire La Cucaracha as his trainer. Real talk.Posted July 8, 2013 3:08 am
WHY IS MIGUEL changing trainers again? This is no way to build consistency.Posted July 8, 2013 2:55 am
True! Good point! But how much does cotto have left?Posted July 8, 2013 2:18 am
How about Kirkand… Cory… K9… and Foreman???
They have to bring some of these boys back in and let Miguel beat on them.Posted July 8, 2013 2:03 am
If he can no longer make 147 then he is pretty much screwed! I dont see him beating any of the top 154 lb guys!Posted July 8, 2013 1:09 am
Cotto can’t make 147 or he would fight there… He was fighting at 154 when he weighed in at 140… Now he weighes 165 to 170 for his fights… 154 is a tough division right now — but the toughest fighters are probably moving up soon … Cotto could take over again.Posted July 8, 2013 1:03 am
Cotto should prob drop back down to 147 w roach. At 154 he has lost power n explosiveness. He can be a real threat at 147 w roach n w renewed n refreshed bodyPosted July 8, 2013 12:24 am
Cotto used to be a seek and destroy fighter, but at this weight he has equal or less power as other 154lbers. Roach would ba the perfect trainer for the 140 or 147 lb Cotto. This Cotto needs defense and I don’t think Roach can help his defensePosted July 8, 2013 12:18 am
As long as you can fight and defeat “World Champions” the caliber of Yuri Foreman you’re going to be fine… When you have fighters the caliber of Floyd Mayweather and Austin Trout in your division it makes thing more difficult for anybody … They’re going to kick your ass.Posted July 7, 2013 11:59 pm
“. . . when Cotto beats the brakes off of Rodriguez you will be on here saying Cotto beat a guy he should have beat”. PETE, that’s the primary reason Rodriguez was selected for Cotto’s comeback. however, i happen to be convinced that Cotto is a less than formidable 154lbr. don’t take it personal but i’ve never been that high on Cotto. even in his prime he was beatable. past his prime, he’s a glorified 154lb gatekeeper and Delvin can be a hard-charging gate-crasher. i think this bout will be interesting and will tax rather than allow Cotto the opportunity to fine-tune his remaining skills. i’ll have nothing to add if Rodriguez does win and if Cotto wins, Team Cotto’s matchmaking strategy will be declared a success. nothing momentous or critical to the spot at stake here. just an interesting exercise in matchmaking.Posted July 7, 2013 11:39 pm
This pundit writes…, “Paying to see someone fight after they’ve lost their last two fights just seems a little bizarre to me.”
It all depends on who you lost to… What’s bizarre about losing to Floyd Mayweather Jr and Austin Trout???
If he beat Floyd and AT it would be VERY bizarre.. Just like Cotto losing to Delvin Rodriguez would be very bizarre.. I don’t blame Cotto – it’s time to get a win.. The fight won’t be an “exciting” one because there’s little hope of an upset, but it should be a good exhibition of boxing mastery by Cotto.
I don’t know what the deal is with hiring Freddie Roach to be your trainer. Unless you think it’s politic with the judges to have him in your corner, like Povetkin might think. Boxers were abandoning Roach left and right, and now he going to be training Cotto, Povetkin, and Pacquiao for their next fights. There’s a massive scarcity of good trainers of course … That’s a fact.Posted July 7, 2013 10:43 pm
Cotto by slim decision..Posted July 7, 2013 9:46 pm
Tumbo when Cotto beats the brakes off of Rodriguez you will be on here saying Cotto beat a guy he should have beat. If you believe it’s a toss up fight, I’d bet you 1,000 and give you 2 to 1.Posted July 7, 2013 9:35 pm
Real talk, Roach is the worst trainer in boxing? I guess you never heard of Buddy McGirt and the Buddy McGirt curse.Posted July 7, 2013 9:33 pm
@Ken if you think that of Delvin, 1 you haven’t seen him fight or 2 you don’t know jack about boxingPosted July 7, 2013 7:51 pm
Yeah I think Cotto wants a really good win to keep himself in the picture. The one thing I notice about Cotto is that he has that little bounce, he will throw a 1-2 or a combo then he does that little bounce, Pacman and Trout started to time it and before Cotto could reset he was getting countered. Maybe Roach can try to fix it, we shall see.Posted July 7, 2013 7:21 pm
“Cotto vs. Rodriguez isn’t exactly an HBO type of main event fight” and neither was Cotto v. Gomez but it not only happened but was promoted as a Mexican v. Rican “rivalry” showdown(?!?). this is a matchup i’ve been wanting to watch for a couple of years and precisely the level i’ve considered Cotto to be at during those years. IMO, this bout is a toss-up. Rodriguez will be properly motivated and Cotto’s experience shouldn’t be underestimated.Posted July 7, 2013 7:12 pm
Delvin is he perfect guy to fight..he is a human punching bag…lolPosted July 7, 2013 7:09 pm
Hmmm, looks like my last post didn’t publish. So here it is again in brief.
Cotto is back with Top Rank for two reasons: 1. Arum will make him money. 2. Cotto is eyeing a rematch with Manny Pacquiao–thinks he can beat him now that he’s been canned by Marquez.
Rodriquez may have the ability to beat Cotto. He boxes well. He’s several inches taller and has several inches more reach than Cotto. If he comes out blazing and fights hard for 12 rounds I think he may beat Miguel.
BTW, Mr. I-don’t-have-anything-good-to-say-about-any-boxer-unless-it’s Mayweather-Smith, do you think a Pacquiao/Cotto rematch would be a good PPV? You know it would be.Posted July 7, 2013 6:59 pm
Roach won’t really try to change anything, he’ll likely just be there to put Miguel through his paces and help him reach fight shape. My concern with Cotto is more for the wear and tear he’s put his body through in some tough fights like Clottey, Marg or Pac for example. I don’t feel his skills have sufficiently diminished over the years therefore I’m not against him fighting on at a high level. However, he does seem like a man who could quite happily cash in his chips at this point and leave with a ton of cash, a good legacy and most importantly the opportunity to take care of his family with his wits intact. A lot of fighters don’t get out at the right time. One more superfight/title/loss and call it a day Miguel. It’s been a great ride being a fan, fingers crossed for one more high point.Posted July 7, 2013 6:51 pm
Look at all his loses, nothing to say after thatPosted July 7, 2013 6:50 pm
“The worst trainer in sports in your corner wow!” How do you figure? Please elaborate. Please specifically state why Freddie Roach is the “worst trainer in sports.” Please make sure your information is verifiable.Posted July 7, 2013 6:42 pm
Cotto I love you man please retired ! You made a lot of good fights your legacy is intact.Start training the next generation.Posted July 7, 2013 6:15 pm
The worst trainer in sports in your corner wow!Posted July 7, 2013 5:29 pm
Joseph Herron: Lol, agreed. I thought is was comically hysterically overboard his comment, jajajajjajjajajajajaa.Posted July 7, 2013 5:21 pm
Klitschko/Povetkin on HBO ?Posted July 7, 2013 5:13 pm
Hecdog, no shame in losing to two of the best fighters in boxing…Floyd Mayweather and Austin Trout
If losing to Austin and Floyd called for a fighter’s retirement, you would have to say goodbye to a lot of good boxers.
Calling for Cotto’s retirement is ridiculous!!Posted July 7, 2013 5:06 pm
Miguel Cotto needs to retire. His best days are over and done with. Loss after loss only diminishes his great career. Bouncing from trainer to trainer won’t help him. He is what he is, and like all great fighters, he doesn’t know when to stop. He doesn’t have anything left to prove and he is going to be his own worst enemy. His family suffers through all of his fights. They deserve to have a father and a husband that’s all intact. Things will end bad for Miguel Cotto if he continues. Time to call it a career Miguel Cotto. Your brain and body can only take so much. Time to be 100% father and husband to you loved ones.Posted July 7, 2013 5:03 pm
Good eye, Murderman!! It would be a tremendous action fight in the co-main event of the Klitschko/Povetkin broadcast!!
It’s one of the few options Cotto has at 154 pounds that doesn’t include either Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank, Inc.
Delvin fights under the Joe DeGuardia promotional banner.Posted July 7, 2013 5:02 pm
That just may be a good fitPosted July 7, 2013 4:54 pm