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Hidalgo

“He ducked Floyd, when Floyd offered him 40 million.” But Floyd didn’t offer him a 50/50 cut of everything. Floyd knows the only way he could make the fight with Pacquaio–to make it totally unrefuseable was to give Pac everything–including no requirement for random testing–but Floyd didin’t. Floyd himself said he’d beat Pacquiao drugs or no, yet he never really did everything he could to make that fight happen. And as I’ve said numerous times before, neither did Pacquiao. My money says had Floyd given Pac everything he wanted Pac still wouldn’t have agreed to fight him. On the other hand, Floyd didn’t do that did he?

Posted July 13, 2013 1:00 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Night Spunker drinks baboon urine and uses his own feces as a moisturiser.

Posted July 13, 2013 9:36 am 


Night Stalker

Gonzo is the best moron on esb

Posted July 13, 2013 1:20 am 


Night Stalker

GONZO THE NATURAL BORN MORON

Posted July 13, 2013 1:17 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Hidalgo: Yes, you’re right. Humans are like dogs in more ways than one.

And yeah… I have heard of Kalman Szkalak, but don’t remember what he looks like. A friend I grew up with and played football with, his dad was a huge bodybuilder type dude from So Cal. He had stacks of old bodybuilding magazines, and we used to look through them at times. If I remember, seems like Szkalak was one of those old-school “pumping iron” cats from the Venice “Muscle Beach” around the same time as Arnold and Franco Columbu??

Personally, I never got into “bodybuilding,” shaving my whole body and worrying about my tan. I was power-lifting for football and continued a wide variety of different types of weight-training for other sports and personal fitness. (I never wore tank-tops and didn’t really like to take my shirt off in public — even when I had super ripped abs.)

But that was a H3LL of an interesting and funny story!

Posted July 12, 2013 1:46 pm 


thetruth101

Hope the under card is good cause the main event will blow. Floyd hit, clinch hold, run for 12 rounds for UD. Big deal! Last real fight he had he lost to Castillo, since the rematch all his fights have been carefully picked. Good business man.

Posted July 12, 2013 11:46 am 


Mbuyiseli

Anonymous – Pacquiao never ducked anyone, this moron is delusional, when Nate Campbell and JMM where front runners at 135lbs Manny skipped those guys. That statement just proved that you might be a pactard but also Pacidiot, that’s for sure.

Posted July 12, 2013 6:34 am 


TARK

Pacquiao didn’t duck?? He sure as Hell didn’t duck that right hand from Pacquiao… Anyway Pacquiao did duck Joan Guzman when he was unbeaten at 130.. He ducked Martinez when Martinez offered to go to 150 to fight him.. He ducked Floyd, when Floyd offered him 40 million.. He ducked a 5th matchup with Marquez in Mexico.

Tszyu was out with injuries for 2 years… Then he gets his ass beat by Hatton. Cheato never won a lineal title.. He lost to Dan Santos and Paul Williams.. Cheato never did one legitimate thing to get a major fight.

Posted July 12, 2013 2:26 am 


supreme court

LOOK AT ME. IM AN ATTENTION WH0RE!

Posted July 11, 2013 11:06 pm 


Anonymous

ghetto thug, mayweather did call out legitimate champions on the video but nothing materialized. strangely. I contend that he never faced a legitimate threat, barring *corrales( *typo of casamayor earlier post) and hatton. the real threats to mayweather were vanquished by boxers willing to put everything on the line- undefeated hatton vs undisputed tszyu, margarito vs undefeated cotto, undefeated prime mosley vs forrest,corrales vs undefeated freitas, everyone(except mayweather) vs pacquioa. just saying they backed up their talk.mayweather stayed on sidelines until they all boxed each other… im no pactard but pacquioa ducked no1 and no one can remotely even suggest that he ever ducked. kudos to mayweather though for facing a somewhat decent fighter in canelo though

Posted July 11, 2013 10:50 pm 


TARK

Then this fight won’t be boring… There will be no busting up… The first 6 rounds may be a boring fencing match… Even possibly the first 8 rounds… I think Canelo has something a little hotter planned for the last 4 rounds.

If the Matthysse-Garcia fight precedes it he has to do something audacious… You can’t follow an explosive fight like that with a sparring match.

Posted July 11, 2013 6:28 pm 


wutupdoe

boring is the excuse when a well schooled boxer outclasses and busts up a tomato can.

Posted July 11, 2013 6:11 pm 


TARK

One punch may be all Canelo needs… But he doesn’t need to land a KO punch to win the fight.

If he outboxes Floyd for 12, he wins.

Ron Lyle told everyone he was going to out-box Ali and beat him on points… Lyle was previously out-boxed by Jerry Quarry and Jimmy Young so everybody told him it was a foolish plan and laughed their asses off at him… About the 11th round they weren’t laughing … Lyle was ahead.

Ali pulled it out with a stoppage so it wasn’t one of those weird upsets.. Lyle was an old man, very punchable, and a really poor boxer … but he did follow the plan he cooked up and almost made it work.

Canelo’s plan was to out-box Trout… People didn’t think that would work either.l

Posted July 11, 2013 5:09 pm 


JpL

Lucas Matthysse vs Adrian Broner – now that would be nice :D

Posted July 11, 2013 4:57 pm 


Supreme Court

I told you i ‘ll intellectually crush you…

Posted July 11, 2013 4:33 pm 


Supreme Court

Who cares about the opinion of Tea baggers?
I have a PhD in molecular biology and university lecturer…
How far did you go with your education, ugh spoiled rednecks?
Soon you’ll be asking asylum in Venezuela… just like James Snowden,
Or you’ll end up bbq on an electric chair…

Now, lil kkk members, lets test each other,
what is your last degree, and what major?

Posted July 11, 2013 4:28 pm 


JpL

Canelo will enter the Twilight Zone come fight night… lol

Posted July 11, 2013 4:13 pm 


Supreme Court

A rule of thumb here on ESB:
If the Supreme Court rejects one’s case, it means the IQ of the applicant is below 50…..
There is a whore on this thread trying to catch the eyes of the Highest Court….

Posted July 11, 2013 4:06 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Javier, I dont understand it, Money called them out but they refused to fight him, how does it make Money guilty for not fighting them?? maybe in Pactards world this is a reality but not in the real world. BTW Money fought SSM after destroying Cheato (the same SSM who Pac ducked some weeks before), the same Cotto weight drained by Pac and hammered by hand bricks, the same DLH who outweighted Money at SWW (who Pac drained 2 years later). Haters will always hate, they dont care about the facts. FACT

Posted July 11, 2013 4:05 pm 


Supreme Court

The Highest Court only takes cases with legal merit….
You can bark all you want in an attempt to draw attention….
Lost cause!

Posted July 11, 2013 4:03 pm 


Haimat

SupremeCourt is the dumbest poster on ESB. FACT

Posted July 11, 2013 2:47 pm 


Sixto

Supreme Court your IQ is around 1.

Posted July 11, 2013 1:57 pm 


Supreme Court

Javier:
Your IQ is around 50-60….
No need to engage with a simple mind….
Go back to Boxing News…

Posted July 11, 2013 1:45 pm 


PEEJ

Yes when you are on different networks the chances of the fight being made are very very slim. The chance of Showtime and HBO working together are slim. They won’t even let each other show clips of fights from there network. They only let them show pictures

Posted July 11, 2013 12:29 pm 


Hidalgo

BTW, Squared-Circle, do you know who Kalman Szkalak is? If you’re in to body building you probably do. Anyways, years ago, I used to work out his gym in Southern California. I’d see him there almost every day and on occasion I’d talk to him. Kalman was known for the size of his arms but mainly for the size of his back. His shoulders were so broad he literally had to turn to the side to walk through a standard doorway. LOL, I saw it with my own eyes! There also used to be a gal there that had the hots for me. She was an amateur body builder who trained with Kalman. She wasn’t bad looking but I never dated her because she was bigger than me. LOL–that’s no joke!

Posted July 11, 2013 11:23 am 


BC

Just because they were on different networks is no excuse for Floyd to Avoid Casamayor or Freitas. Everything has a solution buddy, everything!! Floyd basically proceeded extremely carefully throughout his career in selecting opponents he hoped were perceived as legitmate threats by fans but that never were. He also carefully sidestepped fighters he SHOULD have fought. As good as a fighter Floyd is, he never ever, besides Castillo #1, fought anyone who was even remotely thought of possibly beating him, ….no one ….and thats a shame. Every great fighter has had losses and what is most valuable to Floyd is being able to say, ” I have zero losses, ” that’s his claim to fame. Fortunately, true fans of the sport don’t buy into the hype

Posted July 11, 2013 11:14 am 


Hidalgo

“Duh…, Sredmond is Sredmond… He’s an idiot..” Praise the lord.

Posted July 11, 2013 11:13 am 


huckster

money on the money by decision.

Posted July 11, 2013 7:01 am 


Vio

Even if Mayweather seems to be the favorite, he’s a coward, low life, bragging outlaw and he will stay that way because he is encouraged by the people that make the money out of him. The outcome depends upon the referee that will be chosen by the money makers. This guy always has referees that allow all his cowardly tricks!

Posted July 11, 2013 5:02 am 


Mbuyiseli

So Mayweather is a coward? Well that must make Canelo a warrior then, right? This site just gets pathetic with the haters who have zero semblance of intellect, really. Canelo should be fighting Quillin and GGG’s of this world but he is given a pass. Typical vitriol from this site. How many JWW and WW has Alvarez fought in the last 36 months? ESB has become one of those sites where people have already drawn the lines in the sand based on nationality/ethnicity and cultural backgrounds and you can see the adulation/eulogy of certain boxers. Objectivity is hard to find from the commentary on this site.

Posted July 11, 2013 2:29 am 


murderman

@ sc – this was 94-97 we sucked back then! Lol

Posted July 11, 2013 1:50 am 


hookoffthejab

(regardless of whether that weight is lean muscle, fat or both.)<< this "lean Muscle " or both ?? There is no such thing as LEAN MUSCLE ..Muscle is muscle just like fat is fat ….This whole LEAN MUSCLE thing was created by some MARKETING fools and the stupid public dont understand any better …….Muscle is just that depended on the training methods REP range TUT (time under tension) genetics are a huge one your either going to be the shape you are based on genetics alone and then coupled with TRAINING will enhance that ….BUT there is no such thing as LEAN MUSCLE GET THAT STRAIGHT …..

Posted July 11, 2013 1:15 am 


javier

ghetto thug- the fact remains, floyd mayweater never fought the aforementioned contenders or the champions at their divisions when they were in their prime.instead he fights the baldomirs and gatti’s of the world. then fighting tszyu leftover’s judah, washed up mosley, washed up cotto, dlh..n by your logic, pacquioa is greater as he utterly obliterated all of them in a truly convincing fashion. mayweather has 2 defining fights in casamayor and hatton thats it. everything else is clinching his way to victorym kinda weak
for a “king”

Posted July 11, 2013 1:13 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

murderman: LOL… that’s a CRAZY coincidence, bro! Damn.. you’re even thicker than I am, big dog. If you played at Louisville then you were a better player than I ever was. That’s a good, solid D-1 program! I was at a smaller D-2 college that you’ve probably never heard of. Then transferred after three years and finished my degree at ASU.

DBs are the best athletes on the field, player! Actually, I mostly played CB (a little SS) all through High School. Switched to SS after getting bigger and stronger. You still lift heavy, like in the good old days??

Agree that boxing is the hardest sport and boxers are rare athletes. MMA is right up there too. I wrestled in Jr. High and High School and that was F’ing GRUELING. But boxing… that was even harder!

Posted July 11, 2013 12:56 am 


PEEJ

Arum wouldn’t let Cotto near Floyd, Williams was overrated and couldn’t stay in a weight class long enough to challenge the top dogs. He kept moving around and that was one of the biggest mistakes he made in his boxing career.

Posted July 11, 2013 12:48 am 


PEEJ

Frietas and Casamayor where with showtime and Floyd was with HBO that is why they couldn’t make the fight happen. You have to check all the facts. He also called out Kostya, but for some reason it never happened. I think Hatton got to him first.

Posted July 11, 2013 12:47 am 


Ghetto Thug

Javier, it seems that u know nothing but ur hate for the king Money May, Im gonna give a good fact, watch this video “mayweather vs Mosley who ducked who” u will see Money calling out DLH, SSM, Kostya Tsyu and many more but they said Money was not a big attraction. BTW u said Money ducked Freitas which is not a fact but the fact is that he annihilated the man who made Freitas quit….. Diego Corrales, if u want to keep being schooled just let me know

Posted July 11, 2013 12:33 am 


javier

supreme and exiled-in 2001-2003 At 130 lbs mayweather avoided casamayor in his prime and a beast freitas when he was KOing everyone in his path. in 2004-2005 At 140 he dodged the undisputed champion Tszyu. in 2006-2007 at 147 he ignored a prime cotto, margarito, and williams, and mosley, all the top 4 contenders. and for 7 years hes dodged:pacquioa

Posted July 11, 2013 12:18 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Supreme Court:
Thank you for appreciated my “testimony” and granting me immunity from the highest court. As I’ve said… the last thing I want to do is go back to jail at this point. Peace

Posted July 11, 2013 12:09 am 


PEEJ

1 punch is all a lot of boxers need. The problem is that lots of times they can’t land that 1 punch. Depending on 1 punch is a recipe for disaster. Expecially against Floyd. I just can’t wait till after the fight to see what sort of excuses you will come up with if Floyd wins. I’d almost be willing to bet you change your name to something different.

Posted July 10, 2013 11:54 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Mares vs Gamboa / Mickey garcia vs Alvarado

Posted July 10, 2013 11:35 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Donaire vs Khan / Rigondeaux vs Broner

Posted July 10, 2013 11:27 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

1 PUNCH thats all Canelo needs. 12 rounds Floyd will run you fools!!!!

Posted July 10, 2013 11:15 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Fight aficionado – knows wuz up. Good post.

Posted July 10, 2013 11:03 pm 


PEEJ

I like the way folks have to name serveral fighters that had a little success when they fought Floyd and take little things and say thats what they have to do. They have to have Castillos pressure, Zabs speed, Cotto jab, they have to rough him up like Hatton tried to do, Floyd has to move up in weight again. They have to do this, they have to do that. Folks it does not work. Mayweather adapts to all that. Everything changes when you face Floyd. Your normal out put of punches is 70 a round, against Floyd it drops to 30 or 40. Sorry but there is not blueprint in how to beat Floyd.

Posted July 10, 2013 10:36 pm 


Pain

I hope Canelo grows some brains and a warrior spirit on this fight. Otherwise he will just be danced around by the not-so-great and overrated cherrypicker Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Only hope of Canelo is to use his handspeed and go all out on Floyd in hopes of damaging him early on. Cotto have some success despite the average handspeed. Smother Floyd with speed, bully him with strength and take chances like that big shot Mosley did.

I still doubt Canelo can do this.

Posted July 10, 2013 10:31 pm 


Anonymous

Supreme Court,
I have to apologise, I tend to sniff more than I can cope….

Posted July 10, 2013 9:44 pm 


PEEJ

Don’t worry nobody will ever name them. I keep challenging folks to do so but they never do. They just start to throw insults because they can’t and they really don’t know the sport of boxing.

Posted July 10, 2013 9:43 pm 


Exiled Yank

Yes, please name all the fighters FM avoided. The biggest fight that failed was Pac, and that was Pac’s, Arum’s, and May’s fault together. It was a joint effort in avoiding the greatest WW match-up on paper since DLH Tito.

Posted July 10, 2013 9:41 pm 


Supreme Court

“Floyd by contrast avoided the most dangerous opponents of his era.”

Name them, endemic Hater!

Posted July 10, 2013 9:39 pm 


PEEJ

Well I disagree. I think Arum ruined the fight. Just like he has ruined other fights.

Posted July 10, 2013 6:43 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“So then y’all think Sweet Pea was also boring then” – Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Sweet Pea mastered the style of being elusive without running. He stood in the pocket and slipped punches by inches then countered. I found that entertaining most of the time. But this was also because Pea faced the top dogs at 147 Oscar De la Hoya and Trinidad. Didn’t beat em all but fought them all. Floyd by contrast avoided the most dangerous opponents of his era.

Posted July 10, 2013 6:11 pm 


Exiled Yank

Hidalgo – I’m with peej, there is a big difference between champion and belt holder. Wlad is the champ, Vitaly holds a belt. The championship is lineal and not always tangible. Every division can have multiple belt holders, hell, the WBA has multiple “champions” in a single class, but there can only be one champion. The Ring belt is still the best gauge as to who that is, at least for the most part. The fact that a promoter owns the Ring Magazine definitely dents its credibility.

Posted July 10, 2013 4:38 pm 


Exiled Yank

Tark – no doubt the money and alcohol hurt KP. It was more than the Youngstown boy could handle.

Posted July 10, 2013 4:31 pm 


Anonymous

As for your comment

“Supreme Court

Bears, Adrian, Anonymous:
You made the same mistake Mit Romney did: never awake the sleeping giant…
Had you spent one day in college, you’d know the first step is to do the literature review…
You’d know there is a sleeping Anaconda here on ESB that swallows bold rednecks….
Iron beach: gone!
Chicago guy: gone!
Pinoys: gone!
The sleeping Giant strikes where it hurts the most: the belly beer and the empty skull…“

Sredmond, you’re a pathetic, stuttering ( you remember ? ) “parking security boy“, who suffers from megalomania.

Posted July 10, 2013 3:14 pm 


Anonymous

Supreme Clown, YOU spend your time talking about Klitschkos… so what are you ? LOL

Posted July 10, 2013 3:01 pm 


I see Good

Malachi It could very WELL be a boring fight UNFORTUNATELY It will be CANELO chasing the COWARD around the RING all night.. It will be HARD for a fighter Canelo WHO wants to FIGHT and CHERRYPICKER RUNNING all night long.. Trying NOT to get KTFO.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:50 pm 


Supreme Court

He is boring…
Oh yes…But extremely rich, successful, famous…
He doesnt know about you….You spend your time talking about him…
LOOSERS!!!!

Posted July 10, 2013 2:50 pm 


malachi

and how on earth could this be a boring fight,look at the two cats who’s facing each other,boring is impossible…yezzir!

Posted July 10, 2013 2:42 pm 


malachi

what are yaw talking about sredmond is correctamondo and all this hype …even if he is so what, lets talk boxing,um jus sayn thow!!!

Posted July 10, 2013 2:39 pm 


PEEJ

So then y’all think Sweet Pea was also boring then

Posted July 10, 2013 1:52 pm 


Duh ?

I agree with you 99,9% of the time TARK but this time – no.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:51 pm 


BEARS

Ggg is right floyd is boring 99% of the time. Lacks both power and stoppages

Posted July 10, 2013 1:35 pm 


Duh ?

“promoting his pseudo-wizardry at picking winners, pretending he’s 95% accurate and the GOAT, lying his ass off, ignoring all his missed picks, and bragging endlessly and ad nauseously about the guesses he gets right.“
Sounds like Sredmond to me :)

Like I said he plays characters with different opinions. So maybe he pretends to like the K bros ? He would do anything to fool us.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:31 pm 


TARK

Duh…, Sredmond is Sredmond… He’s an idiot.. But he’s not Boxtra..

Sredmond’s style is tiresome pseudo-intellectual pretense and flatulence, much like Old Yank’s style but more obnoxious. He’s a K bros hater and Floydiot.

Boxtra’s style is promoting his pseudo-wizardry at picking winners, pretending he’s 95% accurate and the GOAT, lying his ass off, ignoring all his missed picks, and bragging endlessly and ad nauseously about the guesses he gets right. He likes the K bros and he’s a Floydiot.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:23 pm 


Rem

Oh forgive me i must correct myself Floyd won Cottos jmw belt and Cotto went after Trouts. I have no idea who Trout got his belt from but again not from the lineal jmw champ.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:09 pm 


Duh ?

Sredmond plays different characters with DIFFERENT OPINIONS, he fooled you all.

Correctamundo = Sredmond. 100%.

Especially you TARK should see that.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:00 pm 


I see Good

Annoymus Where are the HEAVY WEIGHT BELTS????? I dont SEE any of them in the USA.. Not for a LONG time. Well when the K brothers decide to RETIRE they will be FLOWN to ENGLAND. They will STAY there for a very LONG time.. Yes LOUD MOUTH HAYE will have the majority of them when the KLITCHKOS retire. Not any American thats for sure.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:57 pm 


BigZey

@I see Good

Im guessing that by “cherrypicker” you mean Floyd. And the statement ” cherypickers defense isnt all thet good” has just disqualified you from being taken seriously.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:55 pm 


I see Good

This FIGHT Canelo and Cherrypicker (If Canelo dont KNOCK OUT CHERRYPICKER) Will be decided by the JUDGES What I mean is a JUDGE may score the FIGHT for Canelo WHO wants to FIGHT!!!! Or another Judge might score the fight for MAYWEATHER that RUNS . Hard to TELL. I am excited about this fight because its the FIRST time cherry picker has a REAL opponent. NOT OLD PAST HIS PRIME. OR a boxer that had NO buisness ever being in the same RING as Cherrypicker.. Cherypicker is slipping dont move like he use to SLOW down. So a GOOD chance he will get SMACK and Canelo can punch. PLUS Cherypickers DEFENCE isnt ALL that good either. Cherrypicker STILL has his HAND SPEED

Posted July 10, 2013 12:50 pm 


BigZey

What is going on in here? I usually read these threads because aside from the few loons most of you guys are knowledgable. But this Kitch Floyd thing has to stop. Its ridiculous. The HW game is very different from the lighter classes. You simply cant logically and realistically even speculate. Its nonsense.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:50 pm 


Fight Aficionado

If Floyd pitches a shutout it’ll be boring via his usual pot shot and run game. If Canelo can cut off the ring and make him fight then it’ll entertain. Since Canelo’s not physically depleted like Cotto was I doubt Floyd will trade much like he did in that bout. That’s why GBP better stack the undercard, the risk of a snorebore card.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:34 pm 


Rem

Edd yes he won a tittle from Foreman but not the lineal championship.

Hidalgo there is only 1 lineal champ per division.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:26 pm 


TARK

The Wlad-Floyd stupidity is a joke… Floyd would be very stupid to take on GGG. You’ll never see him try because he’s no idiot. He’s not going to try to win the middleweight title. The best chance he had was Jermain Taylor right after he beat De La Hoya.

Exiled Yank…, I’m the biggest Hopkins supporter there is — but as soon as Pavlik had millions of dollars to spend, and thousands of fans and women who wanted to meet him, he started drinking and partying like crazy… Booze brought him down.. Staying on top is a lot harder than getting there, and he started falling off as soon as he got that title.

Supreme Court…, Old Yank is a wing-nut Reaganite.. His views and my views couldn’t be farther apart, and I handed him his ass on many occasions. Just like anyone can see there’s no Boxtra/Sredmond connection, although they’re both Floydiots.. They’re as far apart on Vitali Klitschko as you can possibly get.. Sredmond is a professional K Bros hater.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:19 pm 


Hidalgo

“GOOD guess Angel but the most coveted title in Boxing is the #1 P4P title. ..which is why guys all the way UP to SMW call out Floyd and not Wlad or Vitali.”

Oh give us all a break from your lunacy Stupidamundo! You’re GD right they don’t call out the Klits–there’s not a welterweight or jr. middleweight , middleweight or super middleweight around that has the balls, or strength, or size, to dare to get in the ring with them for a real fight. As for the “all” you are talking about who have been calling Floyd out, please name “all” the straw weights, flyweights, lightweights, jr. lightweights, bantamweights, etc. who have or are callling Floyd out. Yes, please name “all” of them.

Posted July 10, 2013 11:29 am 


123

Hidalgo, Hidalgo… I thought you were smarter…

Wladimir is MUCH quicker than you think !

Posted July 10, 2013 11:22 am 


Hidalgo

Geez, I give up. I can’t post anything right today.

Posted July 10, 2013 11:20 am 


Hidalgo

Sorry. let me fix my last post:

Hookoffthejab said: ” i mean overtimes toilets shoe shines road side bananas taco selling 19 million taken at the gate ….” I replied, “Uh-huh. And how many millions DIDN’T buy tickets? A helluva lot more than 19 million.”

Posted July 10, 2013 11:20 am 


Hidalgo

Uh-huh. And how many millions DIDN’T buy tickets? A helluva lot more than 19 million.

Posted July 10, 2013 11:18 am 


Hidalgo

“Peej i like that you separate beltholders from champs its very important in the sport today. ”

Again, WTF? A “titlest” is a champion. You win a title, you win a belt, you’re a champion. WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF, The Ring. Those are all the world championship titles that are available in each weight division. Again, if you win one of those championships belts, you’re not just a “titlest” you’re a champion.

Posted July 10, 2013 11:12 am 


Hidalgo

“Wlad is slower than Guerrero. IF Wlad could put Floyd to sleep then Guerrero would have done it TOO….Or Marquez would have done it since he’s faster and BETTER than Wlad.”

WTF?

Posted July 10, 2013 11:03 am 


edd

Rem, you’re entitled to your opinion but if Cotto did not win his belt at the time from Foreman, then from who? Whether you like it or not, Trout also won his title in the RING….it wasn’t bestowed upon him, same with Canelo. There have been fighters who have been handed their belts literally without ever fighting for them but your assumption is totally off.

Posted July 10, 2013 11:01 am 


123

Anonymous you’re not worthy to discuss here with us. Go play with your teddy !

Posted July 10, 2013 10:51 am 


Rem

Peej i like that you separate beltholders from champs its very important in the sport today. Having said that it’s important people know Canelo is not the jmw champ. He didn’t win it from Trout who didn’t win it from Cotto who definitely didn’t become jmw champ by beating Foreman. Imo the true jmw champ is Lara who has truly been fighting the top jmws and has emerged on top. A decent fighter doesn’t automatically become a lineal champ just because he has red hair and freckles feel me. No disrespect to those with red hair and freckles just that all must be earned in the fightgame nothing given. Im sure all the fighters feel like that for how much is sacrificed. Im sure Canelo wants to earn it hopefully Golden Girl will continue to allow him to.

Posted July 10, 2013 10:26 am 


Anonymous

What a stupid discussion obviously WLAD would win, because he is the better boxer.

Posted July 10, 2013 10:21 am 


zurdo40

a discussion about a wlad – floyd posible fight???? What a stupid discussion Obviously Floyd would win!!! Because obviously floyd will demand a 140 lbs catch-weight limit and no rehydratation rule. one million per pound over weight at fight time. Floyd will be running in circles all fight long and wlad will show surprise. The judges scorecards will be 115 to 110 in favor of MONEY MAY MAYWHETHER!!!! And some people will come here to say Floyd is the ATG fighter in history and what awesome are floyd skills!!!!

Posted July 10, 2013 9:58 am 


Haimat

Supreme Court is as dumb as a brick. LOL

Posted July 10, 2013 9:40 am 


PEEJ

Tarver is still only a 2 time champion. I’m not being goofy. That’s just the facts. You can only have one champion in a weight class. You can have several titlest. Like at 154 Floyd is only a titlest and Canelo is the champion

Posted July 10, 2013 9:31 am 


zurdo40

B-Hop is the greatest fighter of his generation… his high school generation.

Posted July 10, 2013 9:30 am 


Supreme Court

Angel:
You are wrong being right….
Wladimir would beat Floyd….True that!
But not because he is a better BOXER (boxing skills), but only because he is bigger…
Just because a dumpster truck carry more load does not make its engine better than a F1-car’s…..
Hence the concept of p4p….

Posted July 10, 2013 9:17 am 


Supreme Court

Tark:
I am starting to wonder whether Tark is a mutant of Old Yank…..

Posted July 10, 2013 9:08 am 


Supreme Court

Squared Circle Real Talk:
The highest Court appreciates your testimony and hereby grants you immunity on ESB… :)

Posted July 10, 2013 9:07 am 


Haimat

I wouldn’t say B-Hop is the dirtiest fighters of his generation. He knows the dirty tricks and will happily punch and hold if the ref’s view is blocked. Bernard is extremely skilled and doesn’t use dirty tactics as much as he could. He’s not a gentleman in the ring and he’ll adjust to the level the ref sets early on in fights.

Viewing his career as a whole and judging his skill level, I rank him #1 of his generation.

Posted July 10, 2013 9:01 am 


TJ

BigZey

An example is his blatant use of the head to bust open WINKY WRIGHT….. Truly poor officiating and poor sportsmanship from B-hop…

Actually, DISGRACEFUL!

Posted July 10, 2013 8:37 am 


BigZey

Hopkins is good but “greatest of his generation”? IMO the one outstanding thing Hopkins is great for is for being one of the downright dirtiest fighters of his generation and hes been allowed to get away with it for reasons beyond my comprehension. Like I said I give him his due but anyone who isnt blind and honest cannot say Hopkins hasnt been allowed to get away with pugilistic murder. Excessive holding, leading with his head, illegal punches, headbutting into a grab, is not “old school”. Its downright dirty…

Posted July 10, 2013 8:29 am 


Haimat

B-Hop is the greatest fighter of this generation. A young prime B-Hop would massacre Floyd. He’d beat him silly. B-Hop is an old school fighter, vicious, a student of the sport.

Posted July 10, 2013 8:15 am 


Haimat

Golovkin is spot on. Floyd will move, pop shot, win rounds and try to edge out a decision.

Posted July 10, 2013 8:11 am 


Exiled Yank

Tark – KP was on top of the world when he took on Hopkins and he and everyone else was banking on him being over thee hill and KP could add a legend to his resume. All that crap about how he was physically and mentally doesn’t hold water becaues it only proves how they all underestimated B-Hop.

As for Tarver, he has won the illustrious IBO title from fringe guys at best and he did beat Clinton Woods who is tough, but little more. He is far from the fighter he once was and it all happened after the loss to BH.

BH is not, nor has he ever been known for power. He destroys his opponents by taking them out of their game and punishing them physically and mentally for 12 rounds. He is still fighting at a world championship level even at 48. Your hate blinds you of true greatness. Not even Forman was fighting to best in his division when he recaptured the HW championship. He ruined the title and when he lost he was only holding the pathetic WBU or something like that.

Posted July 10, 2013 7:55 am 


BigZey

I dont know how Floyd is going to handle Canelo but I do know that it usualyy takes Floyd 1-3 rounds to figure his man out out then its a wash. Once Floyd sees what he can land he will pepper Canelo for the rest of the night. Canelo is way too flat footed for Floyd.

Posted July 10, 2013 7:44 am 


TJ

LAST TIME OUT FLOYD picked Guerrero apart with the jab and the uppercut, before that in the first 4/5 stanzas and in the 11th and 12th he used the right hook to control MIGUEL COTTO.

This time I truly believe FLOYD will have to keep touching CANELO downstairs with the hook to the body… If anyone can dig in right hooks under the elbow guard to the body it will be Floyd.

Before people scream and shout this is the way to neutralise and drain powerful men of their strength…. Look at Price on Saturday, he quit because he was repeatedly drilled to the body by Tiger – who is not considered a hard punching heavyweight, but on this night, like floyd his punches were accurate, hardly missing the target.

I truly believe Floyd will have to mount a consistent body attack (including his hard jabs to the midsection), to quell the fire of CANELO.

This will pay dividends for him later on in the bout when the going gets tough…
No one has consistently targeted CANELO’S mid section and Floyd’s body punching is good enough to get the respect of anyone he fights.

Each bout Floyd brings something both different and unexpected to the table which only true connoseuars can appreciate and this one I believe will be his body punching.

I don’t belive he’ll stand and trade for more than a couple of seconds, but he has this way of looping his right around his opponent’s guard when they think he’s out of range and because like old masters SUGAR RAY ROBINSON and RAY LEONARD he has great balance he will get maximum leverage into them!!!!

Posted July 10, 2013 7:33 am 


hookoffthejab

shins ……….

Posted July 10, 2013 5:55 am 


hookoffthejab

Your wrong once again Tark Floyd could bruise up Wlads chins real bad ..And give him a real bad case of the shoes shines ……

Posted July 10, 2013 5:54 am 


hookoffthejab

Some of you guys need a site dedicated to just you,s and your muscles and whatever else girly talk you want to do …..

Posted July 10, 2013 5:52 am 


hookoffthejab

LMAO all you peeps on here touting that the tickets for this fight were to $$$…They pHuCking sold all dem gains …i mean tickets 19 million trillion big ones ($18,647,000 ) they made ..Damn those toilet cleaners must be working some gains .. i mean overtimes toilets shoe shines road side bananas taco selling 19 million taken at the gate ….

Posted July 10, 2013 5:50 am 


Anonymous

I’m sure Squared Circle can prove that he is 5’10″ and 215-220lbs.

Posted July 10, 2013 5:31 am 


Anonymous

I’m curios, WHO are you ??? Why don’t you use your real handle ???

Posted July 10, 2013 5:23 am 


Haimat

Canelo might even beat Floyd. Wladimir would crush him and might kill him. What is your reasoning regarding SRedmond and CORRECTAMONDO/Boxtradamus being the same poster?

IMO it’s obvious that CORRECTAMUNDO and Boxtradamus and ISeeitifyoudontseeit are the same poster but I’m not sure SRedmond is the same? I’d like to know why you think they are the same?

Posted July 10, 2013 4:57 am 


TARK

Wladimir Klitschko would squash Floyd or Canelo like a couple bugs… When you’re boxing a really short, small, light guy, and you’re a big 6’7″ 250lb Heavyweight with very good speed, power, skills, and experience, there is nothing any small guy can do to you.. Nothing at all.

You can flick your jab at him and he can’t even get close.. You don’t even have to hit him in the head — although you can any time you want by catching him coming in.. He has to come to you.. But you don’t have to even hit him in the head.. Just punch at his chest and you’ll knock him back 6 feet or knock him down.. You may be big, but you can flick a punch just as fast as a little guy.. Just because you’re bigger doesn’t mean you’re slower.. Usain Bolt isn’t at a disadvantage sprinting because he’s so big and tall.. Neither is a quarterback who’s big and tall and needs to flick the ball 70 yards down field.. The bigger and stronger his arm, the less he has to load the throw and he’ll get it off faster.

It’s such a non-starter that’s it’s just ridiculous to even talk about… Heavweights can crush anyone out there.. The best one can beat the best cruiserweight.. You would have to be pretty damned great cruiserweight to beat the best heavyweight from now on.. Your speed, power, skill and athleticism would have to be unprecedented.

Posted July 10, 2013 4:23 am 


lman

Just because ur bigger doesn’t mean ur slower, if that was the case usain bolt who is consistently the tallest guy on the track would not be the fastest man in the world, the only sport that holds true is motor/horse racing, the smaller u are the faster u go

Posted July 10, 2013 3:50 am 


Angel

CORRECTAMUNDO:

Hahaha. I have to end this conversation. I can’t play along with your joke for to much longer.

It was entertaining though.

Posted July 10, 2013 3:31 am 


Angel

Sorry but it is not the P4P title. Its the HW Title because you are KING.

If you put Wlad and Floyd in the same ring, who wins?

And lets up the stakes: Your life is on the line. Are you betting on Floyd?

People call out Floyd for the same reason Hopkins and everyone else wanted to fight Oscar….MONEY.

Have you ever watched Raging Bull?

Youtube search: Raging Bull – De Niro Vs Pesci

Great scene.

Posted July 10, 2013 3:28 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

And this is exact reason why Seth Mitchell sucks and will never amount to much in HW pro boxing. He’s a former college football player who ruined his body for the sport of boxing in the exact same way that I did.

He started too late, is carrying way too much muscle-mass, plus he has a weak chin. And if Banks stayed all over Seth he would’ve stopped him again. Banks basically gave that fight away for reasons I can’t understand.
Maye he doesn’t want to fight anymore and want to focus on being a trainer?

Posted July 10, 2013 3:23 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Wlad even tunes IN for Floyd’s Fights. Because Floyd is the overall BEST in the Sport. All EXPERTS say that I CORRECT on that. Wlad is slower than Guerrero. IF Wlad could put Floyd to sleep then Guerrero would have done it TOO….Or Marquez would have done it since he’s faster and BETTER than Wlad.

Posted July 10, 2013 3:23 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

GOOD guess Angel but the most coveted title in Boxing is the #1 P4P title. ..which is why guys all the way UP to SMW call out Floyd and not Wlad or Vitali.

Posted July 10, 2013 3:18 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Angel & Mongrel: “You’re 5’10, 215+ with a smaller bone structure than Mike Tyson?”

Yep… to give you an example. Mike’s wrist measured 8″ and mine is 7 1/4″. Mike’s ankle measured 11″ and mine is 10″. Mike says he was a fat kid who got in shape through boxing. I was a skinny kid who built huge muscle mass via intense and heavy weight-training and eating enough for five men.

Prime Mike’s chest (expanded) measured 45″ and his biceps 16.”
My chest (expanded) is 52″ and biceps are 18″.

Mike is naturally much bigger than me based on his heavy bone-structure. But he trained his body for boxing and not football & power-lifting.

If I could go back and do it all over again, I would’ve starting boxing at 12-14 instead of at 22 — and totally would’ve avoided football. Because by the time I started boxing, my body was already too ruined to be any good. I trained and sparred a whole lot at a boxing gym, became left-handed, and even had some amateur fights.

But learned real quick that I couldn’t compete with guys 6’3″ who had much longer reach, much less muscle mass, and more stamina and experience. Getting outboxed in the ring by skinnier, weaker men, who you know you could destroy in a street or mma fight, is NOT any fun whatsoever. Soon after, I landed my first professional job in marketing/advertising and quit boxing to focus on building my career.

Posted July 10, 2013 3:04 am 


Angel

CORRECTAMUNDO:

I’m talking about the OVERALL BEST the way the Ancient Greeks had it: You just fight the person as is.

None of this….”well, if this guy was lighter and if that guy had both his hands tied behind his back….he would win.”

Wlad is The Heavyweight Champion of the World. He is the Overall best and would put Floyd to Sleep. If Floyd wanted to be the overall best, he would fight The Heavyweight Champion- Wladimir Klitschko. But he won’t. And we know why.

Somebody should actually ask Floyd that question: Would you fight the overall best in boxing, The Heavyweight Champion Wladimir Klitschko for his title?

Posted July 10, 2013 2:57 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Wlad’s only chance is that he outweighs Floyd by 100 lbs. Again IF he came in LESS than 20 lbs heavier than Floyd on Fight night he would SURELY lose. Floyd’s chances of WINNING would jump from 70% to 99%

Posted July 10, 2013 2:52 am 


Anonymous

Angel I agree 100% !!!

Posted July 10, 2013 2:50 am 


Angel

CORRECTAMUNDO:

Sadly there are people who actually believe Floyd is the overall best. They did with Pac as well. But they are not. If they could be Heavyweight Champion, they would. The most prestigious title in boxing is the Heavyweight Title.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:47 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Wlad is pretty fast for a HW but he’s extremely slow for a Welter. He’s even slower than Guerrero. SO the speed gap is too much for Wlad to overcome vs Floyd’s Defensive WIZARDRY.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:45 am 


LOL

Floyd can potshot Wlad right now for the WIN. Wlad is the BIGGER target and Floyd is the most accurate Puncher in the ENTIRE History of Boxing….It’d be like an Elephant trying to smash a FLY..The Elephant would WIN IF only it could catch it. ..The Elephant is the much Bigger target and would LOSE on points because the Fly will out land it by a huge margin.

NO MORE DOUBTS THAT CORRECTAMUNDO IS SREDMOND !!!

Posted July 10, 2013 2:44 am 


Anonymous

Wlad would destroy Floyd in round 1 .

Posted July 10, 2013 2:40 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Same reason Canelo will LOSE….Because he’s giving the most accurate puncher in History a BIGGER target to aim at. …while HE himself has to aim at the smaller target…its like trying to beat Larry Bird at shooting 3 pointers while giving him a Bigger rim than yours.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:39 am 


Angel

“It would be funny…”

late and tired. my fault

Posted July 10, 2013 2:37 am 


Angel

I would be a funny fight between Floyd and Wlad. Floyd would find it so hard to touch Wlad because he is so much taller and his reach would keep Floyd off him.

Wlad would beat Floyd with the Jab alone.

And down goes Floyd’s ego.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:37 am 


Angel

CORRECTAMUNDO:

Ok, now I know you are just having fun. hahaha

Posted July 10, 2013 2:32 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Floyd can potshot Wlad right now for the WIN. Wlad is the BIGGER target and Floyd is the most accurate Puncher in the ENTIRE History of Boxing….It’d be like an Elephant trying to smash a FLY..The Elephant would WIN IF only it could catch it. ..The Elephant is the much Bigger target and would LOSE on points because the Fly will out land it by a huge margin.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:30 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

I remember after Pacquiao beat De la Hoya people were clamoring for him to face Margarito. Roach replied “I will NEVER allow Pacquiao face Margarito because he’s TOO big”…and I was thinking why not you SISSY??? I knew that as long as Margarito was within 20 lbs Manny he’d get PUMMELED. Because History already taught me that the more SKILLED Fighter can overcome up to a 20 lb difference and sometimes even MORE such as when Haye beat Chisora and Valuev….Actually Floyd may be able to beat Wlad while giving UP a 100 lb advantage because Wlad is too SLOW hand and foot for Floyd.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:22 am 


Angel

CORRECTAMUNDO:

So I’ll correct my statement slightly but making it more specific that Wlad is the overall best but it isn’t necessarily his skills that make him superior to Floyd: it’s the overall package of genetics and skills that Floyd would not be able to overcome. Which still, makes Wlad the winner and the best in the sport.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:20 am 


TARK

As far as Canelo using Cotto’s game plan… Canelo is a better boxer than Cotto… Especially if you compare their efforts against Trout … Saul is younger, faster, stronger, smarter, maybe not as smooth and practiced.. but he’s a much bigger puncher.

I see him boxing Floyd for at least 6 rounds — and then when he hasn’t expended hardly any energy, go after Floyd like crazy… Anybody can fight hard for 6 rounds… He doesn’t need a whole lot of endurance, so making weight isn’t going to destroy his effort no matter how depleted it leaves him.

If his corner thinks he’s way aheaqd of Floyd after 6 rounds, he can just keep boxing all night long like he did to Trout — and it will be a really easy night.. He can just relax… hang back… defend… and run the numbers.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:19 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Angel-Sorry buddy. History shows that it DOES work that way. The BETTER man usually WINS when facing someone within 20 lbs of themselves. The BIGGER man usually WINS when having more than a 20 lb advantage. ..SKILLS can’t overcome everything but they can overcome anything UP to a 20 lb advantage. Margarito and Chavez Jr. say that I am CORRECT on that.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:10 am 


TARK

PEEJ… You’re a hater… Tarver is a 5 X World Champion whether you like it or not.. You’re just being goofy…

He lost to Dawson when he was past 40 and Dawson was at his best.

Big deal.

Posted July 10, 2013 2:04 am 


PEEJ

He beat Roy twice. He won the light heavyweight championship twice. I don’t consider having a title makes you a champion. So he won it from Roy, lost it against Johnson then won it back. Problem is he never had a rubber match with Jonson when it deserved one. He won a title at cruiser. He lost against Dawson twice, Hopkins. The only HOF fighter on his resume is Roy. Now that’s a great win but that’s it. And in his draw against the cruiser which I thought Tarver won but turned to no contest because of Tarvers positive drug test results. He hasn’t done much. Yeah he’s done more than me but in boxing terms he hasn’t done much. His whole career is based on the Roy Jones fights

Posted July 10, 2013 2:00 am 


Mongrel

Damn squared – that is a lot of power to be stacking on 5″10.

I`ve always been more of an natural endurance athlete – marathons, half-ironmans, 5k openwater swim and the like.

When I was 18-20 I boxed at uni and weighed about 150lbs, but now without doing weight training and not having much fat on me I`ve widened out to nearly 200lbs – I blame my swimmers wings and quads!

I wouldn`t dream of boxing now – a cruiserweight would take my head off in seconds.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:51 am 


Angel

CORRECTAMUNDO :

It doesn’t work that way: you can either beat the person or you can’t. If size starts to limit this factor, O’ well. Then skills can’t overcome everything.

In Ancient Greece, when they had boxing competitions, everybody fought everybody. They did not divide themselves into divisions. In the end, the wanted to see who the overall best is.

So I am right in saying Wlad is superior to Floyd because Wlad would beat him in a fight (as they are right now). Yes or No?

Posted July 10, 2013 1:50 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Angel-CORRECT. They don’t need to limit divisions or use catchweights. Its the people around them that are SISSYFIED. …and Wlad is not the overall BEST in Boxing. Floyd IS….History shows that .SKILLS is more important than SIZE at least up to a 20 lb difference. SO IF Wlad can weigh in at 170 or less on Fight night Floyd will SURELY SPANK him.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:47 am 


TARK

Exiled Yank…. Saying Hopkins ruined Pavlik is bogus… It is very well known that Pavlik had a drinking problem going into that fight, and that’s what whipped him, not Hopkins… Also he had bronchitis and a ruptured bursa sack on his elbow.. Kelly was a complete basket case going into the fight.. He was pressured into taking the fight because his manager and members of his team needed the money… But Hopkins in no way hurt him.

Hopkins didn’t hurt Tarver either.. He did floor AT briefly and dominated him, but other than that didn’t do any harm to him physically… Tarver won World Championships after Hopkins beat him, and was already 38 years old.. He’s good to go today.. The only thing Hopkins could ruin is a rug.. if he drooled on it.. After 40 he just wasn’t a great puncher — just a great boxer.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:44 am 


Angel

Squared-Circle Real Talk:

You’re 5’10, 215+ with a smaller bone structure than Mike Tyson?

That’s a lot of built up muscle on such a height. Impressive.

People tend to overlook that Tyson’s bone-structure-mass was key in why he was so naturally heavy but not necessarily massive looking with muscles. Still stocky but not hulk like physique in person.

So basically, even though he worked his ass off in the gym, he didn’t really have to try as hard to look the way he did vs. someone with a smaller bone structure who has to raid the fridge, hit the gym hard and consistently, and get lots of rest.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:30 am 


TARK

PEEJ…. Antonio Tarver did one Hell of a lot more than flattening Roy Jones in 2 rounds.. He beat Roy 3 times and he won the Light Heavyweight Championship 4 times.. He was also World Cruiserweight Champion.

So a 5 X World Champion… And beat 2 other guys who flattened Roy for to earn some of those additional World Titles.

…. “You gonna have any excuses tonight Roy?”

Posted July 10, 2013 1:25 am 


Angel

That must have been another angel that you talked with.

The Mayweathers say skills are more important than size but if that were true, Pac and Floyd wouldn’t need catchweights nor would they need to limit the division they fight in, would they?

How about fighting the overall best in boxing, Wladimir Klitschko?
Or is Wlad’s skills just too good for them?

So does size matter now?

Posted July 10, 2013 1:23 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Angel-Its GOOD to see you back. Its been a few years SO I’ll give you a break for lambasting me when I told you that Pacquiao could move UP to Welter and beat Cotto. I’m sure that you now agree that I am CORRECT in stating that SKILLS is more important than SIZE.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:13 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Well this shows that Golovkin doesn’t appreciate SKILLS. Entertaining or boring is in the EYE of the beholder.

Posted July 10, 2013 1:01 am 


Mex

Fighting bums at a local flea market in PR don’t count you see what happens when he fight the elite…

Posted July 10, 2013 12:51 am 


Mongrel

This whole Canelo-Floyd circus is detracting attention from the far more important event of Vulture Awareness day which is fast encroaching upon us.

The talk around some prominant bookmakers is that one of our own – Gonzo the Dragonborn has been nomiinated for the prestigious “Golden Condor Award” for outstanding efforts in the field of promotion Vulture Awareness.

It`s impossible to overstate the prestige associated with an award such as this, and I for one will be following the festivities closely.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:51 am 


Angel

ERECTAMUNDO:

Where did you get the weights because I have never seen any confirmed reports on what either fighter, Floyd and Juan, weighed on fight-night.

You did however have some fanboys swear Floyd was anywhere from 165 to 225 pounds of hulking muscle.

JMM weighed 142 for the scales against Pac in their 3rd fight and 150 by fight-time. Not the 4th but the 3rd fight. How did he do weighing 150 that night?

Posted July 10, 2013 12:50 am 


Angel

teepee:

He has a win over Trout who is a good fighter and not a small guy.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:44 am 


Angel

Eh, that was my post. I forgot to add my name.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:43 am 


Anonymous

ERECTAMUNDO:

You don’t have to be Taller to be “Bigger.” Both Similar in height but Canelo makes up for it in his bone and muscle mass. He is naturally thicker than Floyd. Bigger body frame. However you want to put it. While Floyd stays around 150, Canelo has to dry-out for the scales and then put back in the water which gets him back to his natural weight of around 170.

Floyd isn’t much taller than Hatton and their weight is very close by fight-time if not the same. And remember, it was Floyd who was the one that moved up more than one division to get to 147.

Floyd has been routinely outweighed in most of his fight throughout his career going back to his days at 130.

JMM is the exception and even then, JMM is a fighter that blows up in weight as well..but Yes, I would say JMM is the smaller man (but he is thick).

Posted July 10, 2013 12:43 am 


Mongrel

Look ginger sweat weights more than human sweat.

That is why Canelo can get down in weight and rehydrate up so much.

It`s an advantage of his species. The disadvantage of course, apart from the mockery of their pubes and general hideous appearance, is that were they to fight in an outdoor stadium, they would retire by round 6 with sunburn.

Posted July 10, 2013 12:42 am 


teepee

when Floyd did come in 2 ponds over at 146 he had to pay marquez $600,000 for those 2lb so like I said get it right then u will impress me but im out going to sleep like canelo will peace to all real fight fans

Posted July 10, 2013 12:41 am 


teepee

and if that was true which it is not that would still be 11lb not 20 to 30lb over u getting the right info will impress me lol no hard feeling just educating a bit lol

Posted July 10, 2013 12:35 am 


teepee

hell Floyd went up to fight shane at 147 that’s was after he fought jm lol just giving u boxing intel that’s all

Posted July 10, 2013 12:31 am 


teepee

lol Floyd wiehgt 146 and marquez weight 142 by the way Floyd has never weight more than 151 that’s the biggest he been and that’s walk around and that’s what he weight against cotto please get it right

Posted July 10, 2013 12:30 am 


ERECTAMUNDO

Marquez weighed 144lbs and floyd weughed in at 155lbs…does that impress you?

Posted July 10, 2013 12:21 am 


teepee

canelo walk around at 170 by the time he fight when guys he fight walk around at 151to147 20 to 30 lb is a lot it would be easyer to make 160 than 154 that’s why I say big bully and he is not im pressing me a bit by fighting guys 20-30lb smaller than him

Posted July 10, 2013 12:11 am 


Mongrel

Word is that Canelo has had Paul Scholes in his camp, giving him advice on how to be a successful ginger

Posted July 10, 2013 12:02 am 


teepee

just cuz u beat on small guys don’t make u a grate fighter like I said when canelo fight guys his weight and win then I will give him his just do but now hell no his whole career been fighting guys smaller than him 170lb fighting guys 147 and 154 please get real say what u want he should be winning those fights

Posted July 10, 2013 12:01 am 


ERECTAMUNDO

Why do people call Canelo bigger? He is a short 154lbs. Hes the same size as Floyd for gods sake… Josesito was taller, and so was Trout. MAYWEATHER fought a midget Hatton and a small Marquez and no one seems to call him out saying hes scared of fighting bigger men or in his weight class.

Posted July 9, 2013 11:58 pm 


PEEJ

Im not calling for Canelo to fight anybody at 160 at the moment. First he would be undersized for that weight class by height. But he makes 154. And until the rules change about the rehydration rate which that may never happen, they are what they are. But Martinez can’t make 154 and GGG has never made 154 which makes me believe he can’t. There is more money at 154 than there is at 160, so if they could make it they would.

Posted July 9, 2013 11:57 pm 


Mongrel

Squared-circle – genuine question – are you on the juice? Are you popping power pills like M&M’s? You having naughty needle parties in the changing room at the gym?

Do we need to call you St*roid-Circle?

Posted July 9, 2013 11:50 pm 


teepee

I was just saying guys his size but ok forget Martinez what about peter quillins . canelo really don’t want that beat down or golovkin those guys weight the same as canelo so until he fight guys his size I don’t see him as no great fighter hell he should be winning guys r 20-30lb smaller than him

Posted July 9, 2013 11:45 pm 


Real Expert

Old man Martinez will never fight Canelo. He has bad knees and a oversize ego. He won the fight against Chavez Jr, but in the process he was physically beaten, to the point that he can no longer win. I ssaw the embarrazing win he pulled out in Argentina, it was an embarrassment to the Argentinians Canelo will finish him off. We don’t need this fraud to continue wearing the belt.

Canelo will beat up the PP fraud Mayflower, and then finish Martinez.

Posted July 9, 2013 11:38 pm 


PEEJ

Well just because you are a Floyd fan does not make you an Obama lover. Obama is crap to me. But Floyd is still the best boxer of this era and unfortunately you will have to deal with that for another 5 fights. Even though he says he may stick around longer I seriously doubt it. But while he is here I expect him to keep winning unless he moves up to far in weight. 154 seems to be his limit to where he actually looks beatable.

Posted July 9, 2013 11:38 pm 


teepee

canelo just look good with small guys that r 20-30lb smaller he can try that bully sh@# like dlh if he want to Floyd has seen all that bs like him or hate him Floyd is the best that’s why he is the top paid in sports so keep watching and hating lol

Posted July 9, 2013 11:33 pm 


BLUESMAN

HUGE SASQUATCH FARTS!

Posted July 9, 2013 11:23 pm 


Real Expert

To all the Floyd lover, and Obuma supporters, [idiots] time is running out for Floyd Mayflower, and soon he will no longer be money boy.

Posted July 9, 2013 11:15 pm 


PEEJ

Andgel I am not real sure. He may have because he wanted that middleweight title defense record. But I am not a fan of bigger fighters calling out smaller fighters if that indeed happen. But in my opinion that fight with Hopkins, yes Calzhe won the fight, he clearly out worked him but Calzaghe was the one that got beat up in that fight. I would of rather been Hopkins throught out the fight but Calzaghe when he got his hand raised. lol

Posted July 9, 2013 10:41 pm 


Angel

PEEJ:

Didn’t Calzaghe actually offer Hopkins a fight a while back but Hopkins was still set on staying at MW for a bit longer?

I also think Hopkins purposely bought himself some time because his stamina was declining with age and especially with the extra weight at LH. And if he can’t control the pace of the fight, which Joe didn’t allow him to, Hopkins tank will leak faster.

Now if Hopkins could have reworked his conditioning and tactics to control the pace at LH, maybe.

Jones jr however, Yeah, that’s on Calzaghe. I don’t think he wanted any part of a prime Roy Jones jr.

Maybe Joe was nervous to move up to LH, maybe he was nervous to fight in America, or maybe it was that he knew his chances of beating Roy at that time wasn’t as likely.

Posted July 9, 2013 10:38 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah Tarver beat Jones but that is really it. He will not be in the HOF and his career was not all that. His whole career is based off of 1 win
Calzaghe did beat Hopkins but Calzaghe was the won that got beat up on that fight. That is why he never wanted to give Hopkins a rematch. Thats why he waited so long to fight Hopkins and Jones. He wanted to make sure they where old and slow. It almost back fired with Hopkins.

Posted July 9, 2013 10:32 pm 


Papo

I think anyone with a minimal boxing IQ can understand that because Cotto made it a closed fight against Floyd, does not necessarily mean that Canelo can rely on that same fight plan to beat Floyd. There’s no doubt Floyd made a mistake staying closed to Cotto instead of boxing him from the outside, but, as he did against Guerrero, he’ll outbox Canelo. Like Golovkin stated, “But I am sure that Floyd will not do that (referring to direct exchanges), he doesn’t need to do that, thus there will be no explosive war, as some are expecting.”

Tark and others might as well stop posting about Canelo’s emulating Cotto style to beat Floyd…it ain’t happening. Also, I don’t believe Floyd is underestimating Canelo; to the contrary, I believe Canelo, just as previous Floyd’s opponents, may be the one underestimating Floyd. I remember very well when Ortiz felt he would beat Floyd because his size and we all know what happened. Sure, it was a sucker-punch that put him down, but Ortiz was outclassed from the start of the fight.

I do feel that Canelo, just like many of his fans, believe that due to his size he’ll be able to beat the smaller opponent…after all, he has made a career of beating smaller opponents. I’m also sure he has watched Cotto’s fight against Floyd and will try to use some of his tactics, or even Corrales’. And why not…that’s what some of you are suggesting he should do?

I’m not sure what strategy he’ll use, but if he expect his size and strength to be the decisive factor against Floyd, he’ll be in for a long night.

Posted July 9, 2013 10:32 pm 


hookoffthejab

The 1st fight was closer than the 2nd IMO …..Is it just ESB thats getting hyped for this fight ..There could be a sequel if the fight lives up too the hype ?……………

Posted July 9, 2013 10:17 pm 


TARK

You’re blind, ignorant, and stupid… Hopkins whipped Taylor with ease… Those were 2 damned crooked robberies, and everybody who can score a fight knows it.

Posted July 9, 2013 10:13 pm 


Nathan

No one will ever out plan or out think Floyd in the ring.
There is only one way to beat Floyd. Maul him then KO him before getting DQ. Bully him into the corner don’t let him out so he can’t use his feet and then pound on his guard until it breaks down. Smash on his hands, his elbows, his arms. When he is rolling the shoulders rush him with your chin tucked in and your guard high, then lean on him going to work on the body. And get this done before you gas because Money will then take over. Give him room you will get countered all night without laying a glove on him, if you are not busy he will pot shot you all night. DO NOT TRY TO OUTBOX HIM!!!!!!!
Take a few warnings from the ref maybe even drop a point or two, you cannot win on points against this man, you must go for the KO.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:56 pm 


Exiled Yank

Peej – good point, BH ruined JT too. Hell, it looks like he may have damaged Dawson even though Dawson beat him, because Dawson has definitely faded. As for Tarver, he was at the top after beating Jones twice and being the first to knock him into space.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:51 pm 


Patrick2

You wrote Cotto is “feather fisted”?! In 37 fights he has 30 KOs = 73%. What math are you using?

Posted July 9, 2013 9:51 pm 


PEEJ

I don’t know if GGG can make 154 but it is a fact he has never fought at 154 as a pro. There is more money at 154 so if he could make it I don’t see why he doesn’t make it. Everybody wants Floyd to fight these fighters at higher weight classes. The dude started out at 130.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:47 pm 


PEEJ

Tarver was really never much so saying Hopkins ruined his is a stretch. But he did the other fighters

Posted July 9, 2013 9:45 pm 


Mex

Floyd will win but not by stoppage. But if Canelo lands punches like feather fist Cotto it will be more than a lil nose bleed. But Mayweather will not exchange with him he only went toe to toe with Cotto cause he knew Cotto has no power….FACT.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:45 pm 


PEEJ

I also believe Hopkins won both of the fights against Taylor. And regardless of that, Taylor definitely came out the loser because he was never the same after those 2 fights.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:45 pm 


Exiled Yank

Tark – BH wore KP’s ass out. He didn’t bloody him, but KP was thoroughly defeated and never was the same after that fight. BH ruined him, just like he did Tito, DLH, Eastman, Echols, Tarver and more, and not a single one of those men were badly beaten and bludgeoned. BH had to drain in weight to take on KP and KP didn’t have to drain at all, in fact he was excited about eating pasta during camp. Sure, he may have been feeling bad, but the truth is he and Loew thought BH was on the slide after losing to JC and underestimated Hopkins. Difference is, JC was one hell of a boxer and was / is every bit as ring savvy as old man river, whereas KP was a power puncher who got outclassed. I agree that JT lost to BH.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:44 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Exiled Yank: I fully agree, bro. I totally want to see him fight Maravilla as well –then Chocolate and the others MWs I already mentioned (below).

Posted July 9, 2013 9:40 pm 


Exiled Yank

Martinez may be getting a little long in the tooth, so 3G might be able to catch him, but someone like BH or Ward will beat him. Granted they are in higher divisions so that’s not a fair assessment. Then again, it seems FM is expected fight everyone from 135 to 175 if they seem like they could defeat him.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:33 pm 


TARK

A problem in logic concerning boxers A, B, C, and D

A beats B
C beats B by the same score
D beats C by a closer margin, but scores a decisive knockdown.
D emerges unmarked relative to A, who is mildly bunged up and suffered from a bloodied nose which needs applications with King Sized Q-Tip to halt the bleeding.
D scores the only knockdown in the 3 contests. A suffers the only bleeding nose.

A never fought C … D never fought B.
Who should be the most confident when A meets D?

This is why Canelo’s confidence is sky high, and Floyd’s trying to pump his up.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:33 pm 


TARK

Supreme Court… No way in HELL Taylor ever beat Hopkins… Hopkins won both fights, landing more and harder punches, being the aggressor, running away with the stats, and being the better defender.

The boxing commission called Duane Ford on the carpet to explain his outrageous score in the 1st fight. Ford admitted, “I blew it. Hopkins easily won the 12th.” Ford also scored Bradley over Pacquao. Five independent judges gave the fight to Pacquiao unanimously.

Pavlik fought Taylor twice. In the 2nd fight he didn’t beat him any worse than Hopkins did..

Hopkins didn’t annihilate Pavlik… Didn’t hurt him… Didn’t floor him… Pavlik was suffering from bronchitis and a ruptured bursa sack on his left elbow. In addition Hopkins wasn’t weight drained. He’s a natural Light Heavyweight and fought Pavlik at his natrual weight.

Everybody beat the s**t out of Taylor so it doesn’t matter.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:31 pm 


Exiled Yank

nameless – still sitting in a Russian airport waiting for a lift to Venezuela.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:30 pm 


Exiled Yank

Squared – I really like 3G, the guy is a beast, which is why I want to see him fight Martinez. I want to see him with a true boxer.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:28 pm 


Angel

Zilla

Victor Ortiz fight he was 150. The rest is word of mouth from his team.

Posted July 9, 2013 9:05 pm 


Exiled Yank

erectamundo – look at GGG’s style, of course he thinks FM is boring, but boxers like FM make fighters like GGG look like amateurs. Everybody was on KP’s jock until BH put him out of commission, he did the same to Tito. Ward v Froch. FM Gatti, FM Hatton, and Rigondeaux Donaire is the most recent fight where a boring boxer topped a hard hitting tough fighter.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:53 pm 


Exiled Yank

Sounds like GGG is trying to get his name in the FM fight hat.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:45 pm 


Exiled Yank

@ rick – bigzy was using sarcasm, it’s like dry humor, only everyone knows they’re kidding… well at least most everyone.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:44 pm 


Supreme Court

Nameless:
Not a big surprise…..
Thugs hate the judicial system…

Posted July 9, 2013 8:43 pm 


Exiled Yank

I think the fight will have very exciting moments where Canelo looks great, but for the most part I expect FM to settle into a rhythm and take Canelo out of his game after the first few rounds. Canelo punch volume will allow FM to counter him and it will lead to Canleo crapping out in the late rounds. People go on about Canelo’s youth, but FM’s stamina far outstrips Alvarez’s youth. FM takes this one and will look to stop him, but I doubt it will happen.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:40 pm 


Supreme Court

Tark: you still have the transitive reasoning issue here in Boxing.
Transitivity applies only in Maths…not in boxing.
transitive relationship: A superior to B, and B superior to C, then A superior to C.
Doenst work like that in Boxing:
Taylor beats Hopkins, Pavlik destroys Taylor, yet Hopkins annihilates Pavlik…
Stop comparing Trout vs Cotto to Cotto vs Floyd!

Posted July 9, 2013 8:30 pm 


te tumbo

Thanks to open scoring, fight-fans were able to see how “Canelo is a hard guy to attack because he’s so quick, and defends so well … Trout was almost hopeless on the offensive”. Thanks to open scoring, Trout didn’t mistakenly downshift or delude himself into thinking that he was winning like some ESB posters have. there’s also no room for post-fight outrage or excuses such as “i though i was winning the fight” because open scoring officially informs a fighter and his corner whether he actually is or not. compelling the fighter to adapt by shifting into offense or defensive mode. the incomplete fighter will suffer. the more versatile fighter will thrive under open scoring conditions. it’s a good thing.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:14 pm 


TARK

Now compare that to Trout’s effort against Cotto… He owned the man and dominated throughout… At least 118-110… The 2 fights are as different as day from night and Cotto is Floyd self proclaimed “Toughest fighter I ever fought.”

Posted July 9, 2013 8:09 pm 


Zilla

When was the last time Mayweather got on a scale on fight night?? It’s been a long time.. I don’t understand why people keep saying he fights at 150lbs on fight night.. He says he weighs 150lbs but never gets on the scale. I for one do not believe him… Either way I think Maywether wins on points….

Posted July 9, 2013 8:06 pm 


te tumbo

“Floyd gets hit… He makes mistakes … and doesn’t outguess everybody at every moment”. an overconfident Floyd makes mistakes. a focus and calculating Floyd doesn’t. Judah, Mosley, and Cotto were all presumed to be out of their leagues v. Mayweather. Floyd’s primary mistake for those matchups was trying to live up to his own hype. this time around, the hype is minimal and Floyd is only focused on earning the “W” not making a spectacular statement. ultimately, Mayweather accepted this matchup for the payday not the glory and it’ll show in his performance.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:06 pm 


TARK

Supreme Court…, Regardless of what anyone thought about Canelo’s effort against Trout, he beat a super slick undefeated, 171-pound, tall, rangy southpaw with a clever jab and sneaky right hook and straight left.

He boxed the man at least on even terms — and nailed him with the harder and more damaging punches and counter shots.. Giving up height, he nailed Trout with a crackling straight right such as he never got caught with in his life before.. Damned if it didn’t make Trout do the dipsy-doodle and floor him.. Saul has a very tricky right uppercut counter that nobody sees a lot of out there. It’s a punch that hurt Trout on several occasions..

Saul showed tremendous boxing skills but no attacking skills… He didn’t need to display them because he was so many rounds in front that he could force Trout to lead… Canelo is a hard guy to attack because he’s so quick, and defends so well … Trout was almost hopeless on the offensive.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:06 pm 


Hidalgo

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:04 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Canelo doesn’t have huge arms, I have huge arms. 18″ Gunz with 14 1/2″ Popeye forearms. That’s what you call big arms — even bigger than Mike Tyson’s when he was Prime doing all that heavy weight-training.

Now… Tyson’s 20″ neck was FREAKISH and a couple inches larger than mine. Too much heavy weight-training is great for football, but VERY BAD for boxers.

Canelo doesn’t have big arms, neither does 3G. They’re smarter than to be doing heavy weight-training like football players or bodybuilders. That will straight-up ruin a boxers body.

Posted July 9, 2013 8:04 pm 


te tumbo

SUPREME COURT, there is really no comparison in terms of quality between Canelo, Lacy, or Pavlik. those were one-dimensional punchers with no Plan B and limited poise or resilience. Canelo is more talented, ring-smarter, technically-superior, and more resilient than the likes of Lacy or Pavlik. doesn’t mean he’s on Floyd’s level but it also means that simple and single-minded sluggers like Lacy or Pavlik aren’t on Canelo’s either. as far as the size of Canelo’s arms(?), not unlike Cotto, Canelo simply has a bulky build but i don’t see evidence of weight-lifting in his appearance. on the contrary. definition is minimal and his punching form, while smothering, remains fluid. Mayweather may actually be the stronger fighter on the inside, which is why Canelo needs to control the range and keep clear of Mayweather’s own grappling arms.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:57 pm 


Supreme Court

far bigger

Posted July 9, 2013 7:55 pm 


Supreme Court

I suggest you look at pictures, Canelos arms are fare bigger than GGG, even bigger than Adoni’s, Pascal….

Posted July 9, 2013 7:54 pm 


Supreme Court

Tark your reference to assess Canelo’s ability is based on a controversial result, isn’t it?
Many think he lost that fight. Whether he actually lost is not relevant for this analysis. What is erroneous, is your attempt to make it appear as though Canelo had a great performance against Trout.
He has 40 fights in his tank, when did you post he was a good boxer prior to the Trout’s fight?
In other words, based on a controversial fight (open scoring, judges tilt towards Canelo), you all for a sudden discovered Canelo boxing ability?
That’s, my dear friend is light…
A French old saying: ” une hirondelle n’annonce pas le printemps” :
A single swallow is not indicative of the spring….

Posted July 9, 2013 7:51 pm 


TARK

Floyd didn’t throw caution to winds when he fought Cotto, Mosley, Judah, and other fighters who nailed Floyd with big shots..

Floyd gets hit… He makes mistakes … and doesn’t outguess everybody at every moment.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:50 pm 


TARK

Supreme Court…, “Have you noticed Canelo’s huge arms ?”

GGG’s arms are bigger… Floyd has added massive muscularity to his arms since he was at130… Mosley developed his arm strength greatly going from lightweight to Jr middleweight.

Canelo’s arms aren’t that huge either… Not a problem.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:45 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – Well, in that case, I must agree. For some reason, I feel that Canelo is going to be stopped…something tells me his corner wills say “no mas”.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:43 pm 


hookoffthejab

Sounds nice on PAPER …

Posted July 9, 2013 7:41 pm 


TARK

Somebody said, “If canelo thinks going in there fast and furious like vin diesel is going win the day he’s dead wrong.”

Saul doesn’t think that…

He’s going to use the Cotto strategy — box Floyd, pop Floyd with jabs, rip Floyd with right leads — like he did the big, slick, tall, and rangy Trout — and attack when he lands a good shot… Only he’s going to do it a lot better than Cotto — just like he boxed Trout a lot better than Cotto did.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:40 pm 


Supreme Court

Te Tumbo:
Have you noticed Canelo’s huge arms ?
There never been a durable and succesfull fighter with such huge arms below the cruiserweight divisions…
This suggests Canelo is doing lots of weight lifting!
Canelo IS GOING TO APPEAR VERY SLOW AGAINST FLOYD!
If it wasn’t for the size difference I would predict Calzague # Jeff Lacy all over again…
Canelo still has the puncher’s chance though…
But its most likely going to be the remake of Hopkins-Pavlik….

Posted July 9, 2013 7:39 pm 


te tumbo

ANGEL, what you describe is what i think occurred v. Cotto whose remaining durability and resilience Floyd seems to have underestimated. even simply bloodying Floyd’s nose requires some degree of cooperation from Mayweather as in throwing caution to the wind and engaging in exchanges. that won’t be Floyd’s fight-plan v. Canelo but IF, for whatever reason, it’s the posture Mayweather does assume v. Alvarez, the upset is definitely within Canelo’s grasp. however, Floyd is way too smart to willingly concede any advantage for this fight. i anticipate that we’ll be seeing the very best of Mayweather on September 14.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:38 pm 


TARK

GGG is comparing the younger and more immature Saul who he sparred with… The kid with big power but a lack of boxing sophistication gained in his last training camp and fight with Trout.. Saul isn’t going to fight Floyd in the same manner he sparred with Golovkin.. Then GGG may also be giving Floyd too much credit based on his reputation.

Canelo is not a great attacker like GGG… He’s not as smooth. He has a small fraction of GGG’s amateur fights so he doesn’t cut the ring as masterfully — or attack behind the jab and knock you dead with one shot. What he has is power, toughness, speed, strength, and quickness. He can nail you with jabs and straight rights any time you give him an opening. He can box really well and you need to box well to beat Floyd. You can’t let Floyd run away with rounds.

Canelo will be working more on attacking skills for this fight.. He’s learning really fast … and he’s going to bring something new to the party..

Also… When GGG says, “His best chance is in the 1st 6 rounds” he’s thinking about the weight making ordeal … which can be a killer.. I believe Canelo’s team will be working on the weight issue super hard and come up with answers — so it will not be a game changer after 6 rounds..

What would be really interesting, is if Saul wins 4 or 5 of the first 6 rounds — and then steps up the pace.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:34 pm 


Titopa

How many times have we heard, “this fighter possesses all the tools to give Mayweather problems”?? Damn near every time he fights, but what happens?? Floyd toys with them and then everyone says, “well, it’s cause this and it’s cause that”….PLEASE!!! This will be no different.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:31 pm 


te tumbo

TITOPA, i also believe that Floyd will predictably defeat Canelo. i’m only describing the alternative because it’s a lot more interesting than citing the obvious, e.g., Floyd is smarter, faster, more experienced, and undefeated but Canelo’s no slouch, which makes imagining the alternative scenario more interesting. otherwise, Floyd remains #1 P4P in the the sport of Boxing, bar none and THAT’s the challenge that Canelo is determined to face.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:30 pm 


Angel

te tumbo:

Agree. Floyd’s overall athleticism gives him advantages and when it declines or he doesn’t rely on them as much, the space between him and his opponents gains ground and gives his opponent a better chance than he previously had.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:29 pm 


te tumbo

TITOPA, there’s no denying that his matchup is premature for Canelo but there’s also no denying that it’s the riskiest and most dangerous matchup that Mayweather could’ve agreed too without challenging a full-fledged 160lb middleweight. none of whom would agree or be able to weigh-in at 152lbs but it’s Canelo whose insisting on an audience before the king and Floyd is simply obliging him with what he’s asking for. IMO, this matchup reveals significant courage and professional business savvy on Mayweather’s part. it’s a risk worth taking and one that bigger fighters have avoided. Mayweather’s valor should combine with Canelo’s audacity to result in an entertaining if not great fight. Floyd doesn’t care which it turns out to be as long as it’s another Win.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:27 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – How about a name change bet?? I say Floyd beats Canelo, what do you say?? a 4 month bet. Let’s do it. you seem pretty confident.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:26 pm 


Mma fighter

There is no way iam am paying to watch this or put money in Floyd’s pocket

Posted July 9, 2013 7:26 pm 


te tumbo

“Canelos hands are as fast as judahs?” absolutely. Canelo possesses a deceptively quick money-punch that belies his apparent bulk. it’s a logical by-product of his utterly prime talent and condition and there’s no denying that Floyd is on the opposite side of that spectrum. it’s what makes this such an intriguing and gutsy matchup for Mayweather to confirm and, of course, the money always makes sense to Floyd.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:15 pm 


zurdo40

Obviously Floyd could win… but some people talk about a ko!!!!! PLEASE Floyd even did not went for the ko with JMMarquez (a lightweight by the time of that fight). Is Marquez stronger than Alvarez? does hits harder? Is Marquez faster? Will Floyd search the ko against alvarez??? Is this Floyd younger??? Please…. And let me guess… after a brutal ko over Canelo he will challenge GGG in a catch weight and Floyd will ko him. And he will challenge Pacquiao and pacquiao refuses because the dangerous and agressive floyd style.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:12 pm 


te tumbo

“So his I.Q. and Skills aren’t the primary reason for his success?” NO. without his extraordinary physical talent, e.g., speed, quickness, and reflexes, Floyd wouldn’t have enjoyed such a relatively easy time v. Marquez who is just as smart, has superior punching form, and a more varied arsenal of punches he’s able to deliver. none of those skills could deal with the combination of Floyd’s own punching prowess Aaand his prime speed, quickness, and reflexes. ultimately, a decline in those categories will be Canelo’s best shot at executing the previously described fight-plan and possibly upsetting Floyd.

Posted July 9, 2013 7:09 pm 


MARK IV

Baldomir should be forgotten. He was cherry picked, bad record, no chance of winning, yet on ring magazine’s bogus p4p list.

Posted July 9, 2013 6:49 pm 


Under Dog

Too much pre fight hype.

Posted July 9, 2013 6:49 pm 


MARK IV

Too bad GGG wasn’t a step lighter. Then he could put an end to Floyd’s boredom.

Posted July 9, 2013 6:45 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Comparing Baldomir and Canelo….wow. oh wait… but Canelo annahilated Baldomir and Floyd could even do that…hmmmm. Floyds gonna run ….. you fools.

Posted July 9, 2013 6:43 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Hahha… hear that ladies Golovkin thinks Mayweather fighting style is boring. Hahaha…lol. when will these Mayweather fans learn….even other boxers call him boring.

Posted July 9, 2013 6:40 pm 


me

Canelos hands are as fast as judahs?

Posted July 9, 2013 6:33 pm 


Angel

te tumbo

{quote}….. v. a 36-year-old Mayweather for whom speed, footwork, and quickness are the primary reasons for his success. {end quote}

So his I.Q. and Skills aren’t the primary reason for his success?

He has stood in the pocket at times throughout his career and whooped fighters asses. He can fight like James Toney when he wants too.

Roy Jones relied more on athleticism than years of learning technical skills. Not Floyd who can fight like Toney when he wants to.

Posted July 9, 2013 6:23 pm 


Angel

Hayefaker:

Who is a great challenge for Floyd at 147?

Who is fighting right now 154 where he really doesn’t like to campaign at (and shouldn’t have to) because he is 150 on fight-night ?

Who is he going to fight that is a draw to boost his PPV numbers up?

Floyd had to make this fight if he wanted to or not because he has a big contract and the R.G. fight was subpar for PPV’s for what they expected.

Posted July 9, 2013 6:16 pm 


Titopa

MARK IV – I don’t think Floyd will put Canelo to sleep, but he’s more than capable of busting him up, cutting him and causing the ref (or corner) to stop the fight. Remember, Canelo was once hurt/wobbled by lightweight Jose Cotto.

Posted July 9, 2013 6:10 pm 


MARK IV

But Floyd doesn’t ko anyone much since moving up in weight. Certainly not Canelo, unless injury or cut happens.

Posted July 9, 2013 5:55 pm 


Hayefaker

IF Mayweather had ANY likelihood of facing a serious challenge, he never would have made the fight, end of discussion.

Posted July 9, 2013 5:52 pm 


Titopa

te tumbo – Everything you said that Canelo “must do” is spot on…problem is, he’s not nearly experienced enough to do so, NO ONE he’s faced is remotely as skilled as Floyd, before Trout, Canelo was beating up 140lbs-147lbs guys that had/have 1/6 the skill of Floyd Mayweather…Canelo is simply NOT ready for what he’s about to encounter. Someone who’s faster, smarter, more elusive, sharper, wiser and flat out BETTER than anyone Canelo has faced. When the bell rings, it’s going to be a truly GREAT smaller man vs a GOOD big man. I pick Floyd to win via TKO. Canelo’s corner will say “no mas” in order to preserve Canelo’s young/promising career.

Posted July 9, 2013 5:51 pm 


MARK IV

Maybe they would take it to the cards and award a TD to one them.

Posted July 9, 2013 5:41 pm 


Slender4

I see Good

Its hard fighting a COWARD , when the coward RUNS like a scared chicken. Then the CHICKEN says HOW GREAT HE IS..

Are you talking about Floyd or Boxtradaumas? (Rimshot!) Damn Im funny!

Posted July 9, 2013 5:39 pm 


BIG FOOT

Floyd wouldn’t lose if someone got into the ring and shot him though, it would be a “NC”.

Posted July 9, 2013 5:38 pm 


Exactly Right

I agree with Golovkin, it would be stupid of Floyd to exchange punches. He doesn’t have to. This has Floyd v Baldomir II written all over it. This will be a bigger let down than DLH v Floyd. I don’t expect anything else than a wide boring UD for Floyd.

Posted July 9, 2013 5:11 pm 


Marventu

Motivator, who would put to face Floyd?????? Well your right on the picking easy fights for the fighter who promotes more money..

Posted July 9, 2013 4:56 pm 


Motivator

IF Mayweather had ANY likelihood of facing a serious challenge, he never would have made the fight – cherrypicking has ruined Boxing, let the ‘earned challengers’ get their deserved chances

Posted July 9, 2013 4:46 pm 


rich

bigzey, i hope your joking,or you know less about boxing than ‘I SEE GOOD’

Posted July 9, 2013 4:44 pm 


rich

I SEE GOOD…you know absolutely nothing about boxing

Posted July 9, 2013 4:41 pm 


rich

the only way floyd looses to canelo is if somebody climbs into the ring and shoots him……CANELO HAS NO HOPE AT ALL IN TROUBLING FLOYD. HE MIGHT NOT WIN ONE ROUND. Floyd saw a lot of weakness in canelo when he fought trout,and thats why floyd is fighting him now before someone else beats him.
canelo fought the fight of his life against trout and still looked 2 steps below may weather…cotto beats canelo,margarita in his day beats canelo…….if canelo moved up in weight,golovkin batters canelo…..CANELO SHOULD HAVE LOOKED FOR SERGIO MARTINEZ B4 MAKING THIS MASSIVE MISTAKE WITH MAYWEATHER…martinez is there for the taking right now and i think that canelos pressure and sergios age favor canelo. Why won’t the same pressure favor canelo against floyd? believe this…SERGIO IS ALSO 2 STEPS BELOW MAYWEATHER………IF FLOYD THOUGHT CANELO WAS CAPABLE OF REMAINING UNBEATEN HE MOST LIKELY WOULD WAIT UNTIL HIS LAST SHOWTIME FIGHT B4 DESTROYING HIM

Posted July 9, 2013 4:38 pm 


BigZey

@I see Good

Thank you so much for that magnificent and very eloquent breakdown of the fight. You are truly gifted.

Posted July 9, 2013 4:27 pm 


I see Good

Its hard fighting a COWARD , when the coward RUNS like a scared chicken. Then the CHICKEN says HOW GREAT HE IS.. Dont worry Canelo YOU will be the HUNTER.. In all of CHERRYPICKERS PAST fights he WAS the HUNTER. The ROLES have change KNOCK this PHONEY CHERRYPICKER out as fast as you can.

Posted July 9, 2013 4:10 pm 


MARK IV

Shouldn’t always be the aggressor and let Floyd play that role at times.

Posted July 9, 2013 3:52 pm 


Carlos

Well he should be patient and not burn himself out in the early going too.

Posted July 9, 2013 3:49 pm 


Hayefaker

boring ass fight

Posted July 9, 2013 3:49 pm 


CROMWELL

So then, you better work on that stamina Canelo.

Posted July 9, 2013 3:47 pm 



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Golovkin Gives Canelo a Shot Early In the Fight, Still Expects A Boring Bout









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