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Rigo is a great fighter. pound for pound the best. Will be long time before he is beat.

Posted July 17, 2013 10:08 pm 


Supreme Court

Tark, you have the immoral ability to manipulate, distort facts to fit your point, especially when it has been questioned….That’s what is known as lack of intellectual integrity.
Because your assessment of GGG had been questioned by more than one poster, you came back with partial stats to suggest you were right… The tactics is known in Statistics as “Distortion of truth (using valid data)
What you said about Mugabi is true, but you purposefully left out that the portion of Mugabi’s record that you displayed to suit and fit your point is post-Hagler fight. A fight Mugabi was knocked out and irreversibly damaged!
He was unbeaten prior to that fight, and never was the same after it, true or false?
Since you know well boxing history and you chose not to mention that as though we were in Court here, in the academia, its called Intellectual Dishonesty.

And by the way, Marvin Hagler was the epitome of boxer-puncher…

Posted July 16, 2013 8:18 pm 


sweet-s

Matthysse vs García is officially put on the undercard of Canelo/ Mayweather? What’s the source?

Posted July 16, 2013 6:00 pm 


FEARS

Tark-My point is not whether GGG could beat Mugabi, but it is that GGG has not ran into his Hagler yet. Then you went on to say how Mugabi went on to lose to Terrible Terry Norris, who is also a H.O.F.er. That is my whole point, wait until he fights and defeat some future H.O.F. or at least top tier guys before you rank him with the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson for Christ’s sake. Mugabi was KOing the Rosados and Macklins of the 80s, but when he ran into HOFers, he fell short. I’m not saying GGG will fall short too, but let’s just see.

Posted July 16, 2013 4:46 pm 


The1

Well who has demo’d Macklin the way GGG has? And by the way. I don’t remember who it was but no way in hell Carl Froch beats GGG. Someone in here is on serious medication to say something like that.

Posted July 16, 2013 3:06 pm 


TARK

FEARS…, “Remember how unstoppable Mugabi was until he ran into the great Hagler. Mugabi’s style, record and resume was a lot like GGG’s”

GGG got tagged with 5% of the jabs Macklin threw… He’s masterful. Mugabi was a crude slugger who would probably be KO’d by Brian Vera.

Hagler vs Mugabi was a battle between 2 extremely punchable swingers. They beat each other up but Hagler was tougher.

John Mugabi got knocked out each and every time he fought somebody who could box and punch — such as Terry Norris and Duane Thomas.. After Mugabi was easily KO’d by Thomas, he won 11 straight fights against more bums and won his only World Championship by fighting another bum. Then Norris put him out in one round. Mugabi couldn’t handle any good boxer because he was wide open.

Grennady Golovkin is 10 times as good as Mugabi. He would be highly favored to beat Martinez or Quillin … and he should be.

Anyone who doesn’t think so doesn’t know Boxing.

Posted July 16, 2013 2:34 pm 


Tomato Can

Agreed, though, it’s too soon to start crowning GGG, even though he has looked very impressive.

Posted July 16, 2013 12:15 pm 


Tomato Can

I liked Maugbi too, but he made his real noise at 154.

Posted July 16, 2013 12:14 pm 


FEARS

I totally agree with WTF, I would also like to add Hearns, Hagler, McCallum, Toney, Nunn and Barkley. Remember how unstoppable Mugabi was until he ran into the great Hagler. Mugabi’s style, record and resume was a lot like GGG’s, maybe even a little more impressive. I’m not saying that he’s not good because he is a damn good fighter bursting onto the scene and his stock is rising meteorically, but I have been a Boxing fan for 40 years and I’ve seen this routine a million times. Sometimes they achieve the greatness that the hype claims for them, but sometimes all it takes is to run into the wrong match and they may never be the same. For some of you younger guys who don’t remember Mugabi, I’ll give you a few recent examples: Just a couple of years ago Juanma was on the same path as GGG, until he ran into a fighter with 11 losses in Salido. Pavlik was also on an identical path as GGG as well, insert B-Hop and there you go. Then there was a machine of mass destruction named “Left Hook Lacy”, and oh well, you know the rest on that. So my point is, appreciate GGG for being a damn good, exciting fighter, but please hold off on all time greatness until he earns it, and he has a loooong way to go.

Posted July 16, 2013 11:26 am 


Tomato Can

GGG, is on a good win streak and he’s looking impressive. But he has not beat anyone of note to be compaired with the divisions greats. Give him a couple years before you start crowning him along with the greats in the sport.

Posted July 16, 2013 10:32 am 


Haimat

There have been a handful of great middleweights and GGG has potential to join these great fighters if he consistently fights world class opponents and excels during the next 10 years. He has still to fight such an opponent.

I’m a big B-Hop fan and i rate him as the best fighter of this generation. On par with ATGs like Monzon, Hagler and the Sugar Rays. Floyd is not yet on that high level. GGG is a kid in comparison but he has potential.

Posted July 16, 2013 8:49 am 


Supreme Court

Here we go again with Tark inconsistency…
“GGG has has a combination of power and skill never before seen at middleweight.”

He just fell to repeat the hype the crook Arum displayed about Pavlik: ” he is even better than Hagler”

WTF listed Sugar Robinson, Monzon….How about Hagler?
I will tell you this tark…
This GGG would not survive the Hopkins that ruled the MW….
And one more thing, even at close 50, this GGG would have the same fate Pavlik had if he faced Hopkins now under the same boxing circumstances that Pavlik was in…

Posted July 16, 2013 8:13 am 


WTF

Tark wrote

GGG should KO Quillin and Martinez before he takes on Ward… Beat all 3 of them by KO… Why not? GGG has has a combination of power and skill never before seen at middleweight.

WTF?

Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon were the epitome of power and skill at Middleweight.

Tark, sometimes you seem to swallow yopur own tongue in your haste to brown nose these newbies at the expense of the proven greats who have gone before them!

It would have been good to have matched GGG with the likes of Hagler, Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Jake LaMotta, Tony Zale, Carmen Basilio, Rocky Graziano, even Benn, McClellan, Eubank.

The list goes on and on.

GGG looks good for the moment, but let’s wait a while bfore anointhing him as anything other than belt holder.

Oh, yes. and Canelo, too.

Posted July 16, 2013 7:27 am 


sweet-s

Vivek…Fight Aficionado raised the point that was confusing me too. I found no website confirming that Matthysse vs García is officially put on the undercard of Canelo/ Mayweather. What’s the source?

Posted July 16, 2013 7:10 am 


Haimat

TARKi, I’m impressed by your dedication to the greatness of GGG. He’s still unproven. He hasn’t fought a world class fighter in the pros yet. Yet still, “he’ll KO Ward”. I don’t see him beating Kessler, Froch or Ward. A prime Martinez would give him hell.

Still, with that said, I rate him as the best fighter right now 160 and below.

Posted July 16, 2013 3:34 am 


TARK

GGG should KO Quillin and Martinez before he takes on Ward… Beat all 3 of them by KO… Why not? GGG has has a combination of power and skill never before seen at middleweight.

Posted July 16, 2013 2:05 am 


The1

I disagree with the assessment. Ward has te same game plan all the time. Cheat get in close and pound away with random headbutts in between. Golovkin is aware of this. It’s not like he will forget all the talent he has when he gets in the ring. The instant ward is popped clean he’ll try to go to the rough-house tactics. That will just irritate Golovkin and assure more hurt is on the way for Ward.

Posted July 16, 2013 12:10 am 


Mongrel

One of the things you watch sport for is to see the competitors personality and spirit exhibited through their style and performance.

You can appreciate the technical ability of a cold calculated defensive individual, but it is hard to love them. Their struggle through adversity isn`t so visible.

There is a reason the hero in films is a flawed underdog – because it resonates with how people view themselves.

Rigondeaux is a magically talented boxer, at times it is an absolute joy to watch him pick apart someones weaknesses.

BUT.

Vs Donaire he spent 2:30 of each round out of range moxing backwards. Neither he nor DOnaire could throw or land a punch for 5/6 of the fight. Being out of range isn`t outboxing someone, it is neutralising part of the round because you aren`t confident enough to stay IN RANGE and outbox them.

It was tactially astute, it was sensible, it won and I completely agree with the scoring…….but I am not going to shell out to watch his next fight, because it ended up in a deliberately downbeat and uneventful fight. I`m paying for eventful not uneventful.

Posted July 15, 2013 8:25 pm 


arroyo bob

they fight in different divisions. Since Ward made Dawson lose weight to fight him then GGG should insist the same. Ward needs an opponent that will create interest as he has no following and little fan appeal. GGG should clean out the middleweight division first, then see what happens. Maybe he’ll want to move to 154 if theres a big money fight there. My advice is to let Ward build his own fan base and if they decide to meet insist on a financial split based on consumer interest. Ward needs you far more than you need him!

Posted July 15, 2013 6:36 pm 


Joseph Herron

My apologies for the length of my previous post.

Posted July 15, 2013 6:04 pm 


Joseph Herron

Hey there, Tomato Can!!

On the show two weeks ago, I offered my theory on how to potentially defeat a fighter like Triple G. The only way I can see anyone really defeating Golovkin in this state of the middleweight division is if an opponent smothers Gennady’s offense…like the way Hatton mauled Kostya Tszyu eight years ago…can you believe it’s been that long?

Andre Ward uses the exact same tactic extremely well. I don’t like watching it, and it’s not crafty inside fighting, but it is ultra effective against any fighter who depends on catching their opponents at the end of their punches.

It’s just a theory of mine. Who knows…maybe Golovkin is the total package who has an iron chin and can fight proficiently on the inside. But because of his style and where he was developed as an amateur, I would be very surprised if he could.

Posted July 15, 2013 5:50 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Matthysee has very underrated skills and will press Garcia more than anyone he has faced lately.” – Agreed. Thing is Matthysse is a more skillful boxer than Garcia and he hits a helluva lot harder than him. So whatever Garcia tries to do, Matthysse will do better. BTW I haven’t read that this is official for the Floyd-Canelo undercard. Has GBP announced this as fact?

Posted July 15, 2013 5:46 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Remember Pirog? He beat HBO house fighter Jacobs and was immediately put on the shelf. I see a similar scenario happening with Rigo. It’s a damn shame. If anything they should reward the fighter who beats their guy.

Posted July 15, 2013 5:39 pm 


Tomato Can

There’s nothing wrong with thinking GG, would beat Ward, that’s what being a fan of boxing is all about; but, to say Ward is afraid, and will duck GGG, is crazy.

Posted July 15, 2013 1:50 pm 


FEARS

I find it quite funny that people really believe GGG has a snowball’s chance in Hell vs Andre S.O.G. Ward. I actually like GGG and I believe he will accomplish a lot at MW, but he should stay away from SMW for a few years. There is a big chasm between 160 and 168 and none of the fighters that recently tried to fill it have succeeded (Abraham, Pavlik, Taylor, Miranda).

Posted July 15, 2013 1:07 pm 


Tyrone Jones

Yeah there have always been famous fan friendly Cuban boxers but then there have often been tensions between the U.S. and Cuba; with Cubans often getting the brunt of unjust decisions and opportunities. For instance, Arum is an obvious political lobbyist but more than likely in connections that prefer not to improve Cuban legacy. Then of course Castro sent a bunch of malleantes over, which likely hampered the once fine fan base. Oh and yes race always plays a major part in fight games because hormones and mental states make males to want the woman to want to be with their kind. This is why we need boxing officials to have a “real” record of Christian justice.

Posted July 15, 2013 12:11 pm 


Tomato Can

Ah hah, maybe…

Posted July 15, 2013 11:18 am 


KOrnerman

Ward is a spoiler who needs him.

Posted July 15, 2013 11:17 am 


KOrnerman

maybe its because he’s Cuban, nationality of former cold war enemy of the U.S.

Posted July 15, 2013 11:17 am 


Tyrone Jones

But is Ward willing and able to go down to Golovkin’s weight just as Golovkin is willing to go down to Mayweather’s?

Posted July 15, 2013 11:15 am 


Tomato Can

This is just a big guess on my part, but just maybe, the reason Cubans have a low fan base has something to do with the fact that they can’t even fight professionally unless they defect from thier home land. Once they do that, their denounced and thought of as criminals. Therefore they have no fan base to draw from their own country.. In order for them to gain a larger fan base, they probably need to learn English, and have a great marketing stratigist. But being that they get started at the pro level late, that’s tall order for them.

Posted July 15, 2013 11:09 am 


KOrnerman

its obvious, for all his skill Rigo is BORING to watch to the general public, hard to market boring.

Posted July 15, 2013 11:07 am 


bobcats

Let me that first Vivek is the best boxing analyst hands down. Rigo is a complete fighter and I think Bob Arum has been doing everything to publicly humiliate him, he should change promoters on that ground, he can break that contract. I really appreciate Rigo, he is top of best fighters.

Posted July 15, 2013 10:53 am 


Mbuyiseli

It’s just mind boggling to even think Gennady stands a chance against Andre Ward. It’s plain madness. A bunch of nutcases, and all of sudden everybody tends to swing with the majority even if those assertions are ridiculous. State facts to show what pro’s does GGG bring that can’t nullified by SOG. Puncher’s chance, blah blah. Let GGG clean out 160lbs division and then we start contemplate a rise to 168 division. Amazing that these morons already figured out that GGG beats Froch. Plain disrespect, to Kessler and Carl.

Posted July 15, 2013 9:58 am 


Tomato Can

Rigo needs to drop Top Rank/HBO and go over to GBP/Showtime.

Posted July 15, 2013 9:10 am 


malachi

and the network is ridiculous as well bob should be fighting to support rigo instead of catering to the networks and their idea of exciting fights .Rigo is very exciting and can punch, some peoples idea of exciting is punch for punch which is entertaining but doesn’t show boxing skills.They need to just let Rigo go shop for a new promoter and new network,and you call it boring real boxing fans call it entertainment,it aint right how they treating that man who just dominated the flash one of the best fighters pound for pound in the world like he was a rookie…you already know!

Posted July 15, 2013 8:10 am 


osy

Rigo has hardly any fans, is foriegn, fights at a lower weight class, and bores people, so will be a tough sell despite the fact he is p4p class.
Ward will win a snoozefest if he ever fights Golovkin, and Mathysse will flatten Garcia.

Posted July 15, 2013 8:03 am 


malachi

i believe arum is prejudice against fight styles which is ridiculous,what he needs to do is let Rigo go and get another promoter he’s waaaay too talented to be put on the shelf or to be fighting any small tier fights .The disrespect that arum is showing Rigo is scary and makes me mad.He beat my man the flash very convincengly with no real problems and Arum turns around and bad mouths him instead of talking him up and praising him um wayy through with Mr Bob and his involvement of the greatest sport in the world….yezzzir!

Posted July 15, 2013 8:02 am 


Haimat

GGG won’t be as scary 168 and above. Ward is a better boxer and just as accomplished in the amateurs. I see Ward winning a clear UD. The difference in pro experience is huge.
I see Garcia getting “exposed” against Matthysse. Knocked out badly in round 6 is terrible, especially mentally. I wonder if Garcia will be able to rebound after such a defeat. He had big problems late against an old Judah. Matthysse is a beast and won’t be intimidated by Garcia’s “power”. He’s got great skills and has a solid chin. Garcia’s worst nightmare. Look for the odds to favor Matthysse and put your money on a KO win for the Argentine machine. The way Garcia froze against Judah in the late rounds after getting tagged would worry me if I was in Garcia’s camp. He’s getting exposed.

Posted July 15, 2013 5:13 am 


Captain

Ward wants none of what GGG is dealing out.

Look at Ward when he has just watched a GGG fight, he looks like a shifty squirrel.

Ward is a minor character in the GGG story, he is like Mr Hanky, simply providing a diverting song and poor smell.

Posted July 15, 2013 1:47 am 


Joel-MTL

uh that shoulda read LHL :P

Posted July 15, 2013 1:10 am 


Joel-MTL

Nice LLH this week!

Posted July 15, 2013 1:10 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

Gary Hyde’s got a problem with Rigodeaux, as he’s in the no one needs him club. it’s obvious that he’s #1 @ 122lb & I know for a fact that the ca$h was on the table for so called WBA interim titlist Scott Quigg which was flatly turned down. Carl Frampton has also had an offer of a title chance in Belfast which appears to be pending. Donaire needs to grow some balls & have it out with Rigo or retire!

Posted July 15, 2013 1:08 am 


lol

@ Badger his name is VITO !!!!

Posted July 15, 2013 12:22 am 


Lman

GGG should stay at 160, unlike Donaire, he would be giving up alot of size moving up to fight Ward, then again if he is able show us something against Ward that no one else has been able to, even if he lost it would only increase his stock. Still we need to see Quillen, Geale, Martinez, and GGG fight each other.

Posted July 14, 2013 11:52 pm 


badger

I would like to see ward vs Rodriguez and another Froch bout.

Posted July 14, 2013 11:30 pm 


badger

Good points by the author, though I would like to see GGG and ward stay at their respective weights. GGG has some good fights at 160.

Posted July 14, 2013 11:29 pm 



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