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Moonshineman

Dawson was in way over his head with Ward. Like Froch, Dawson just didn’t realize how good a fighter Ward is.

Posted September 17, 2012 4:23 pm 


Dr. Bill

There is just too much there in Ward’s record already to deny Ward’s present greatness. Kessler and Froch and Dawson are all at least first-rate fighters, if perhaps not quite great ones.

How Ward would fare against a prime Calzaghe is an interesting question. Calzaghe was also a great fighter: as with Ward, there is just too much there in his record to deny it, even if one thinks that he might have been edged by Reid and Hopkins, as some do (those fights were very close and hard to score).

I would rate such a fantasy match a toss-up.

Posted September 13, 2012 10:45 am 


Vlad

If you know anything about boxing… Just because one fighter beats another fighter that you lost to doesnt mean anything… Styles make fights… To sit there and Guarantee that Ward could never beat a Prime Ward is Ridiculous… at this Point of Ward’s Career… Ward has fought better opposition the Calzaghe ever did… Ward is only 26 fights in… The only thing you can probably Garantee is that Ward vs Calzaghe will never happen… if it did… Ward is Talented enough to beat Calzaghe in his Prime. :mrgreen:

Posted September 12, 2012 11:58 am 


SREDMOND

Hernandez is that the BEST you have got??? I mean I don’t really want to demean a guys best effort as it pertains to discussing the sport but that was unusually pathetic….I know HARD data and an actual arguments offends mental midgets but at least attempt a decent refutation… :mrgreen:

Posted September 12, 2012 8:42 am 


Hernandez

Sredmond F off !

Posted September 12, 2012 7:20 am 


SREDMOND

MORE fighters need to fight rough and hard that is the nature of this sport…. Guys who cannot handle incidental contact, spoiling tactics and an overall lack of civility in the ring need to find another line of work… Chad Dawson got beat up in a legal and tactical fashion what is there to complain about? All the Greats Mayweather, Pacquiao and others have had to deal with some rough customers to get their wins…. Look at what crazy ass Ortiz did to Floyd before he got snuffed out for the transgression…. Face facts Andre Ward is a tough bastard and whining about him beating guys up is truly counter to the nature of the sport….

Posted September 12, 2012 6:09 am 


Justice

Jim Grey asked Andre Ward if he’s a dirty fighter Andre said no I say bull ! Andre is a copycat of Hopkins. Part of Andres wins have been from head butts and elbows. Andre your dirty !

Posted September 12, 2012 12:24 am 


Boxtradamus

SKILLS is more important than height and reach just as I’ve been preaching for YEARS here. I also SAID that Ward would reach the Top 5 P4P when he was still #0 and I am CORRECT. For those who could see what I saw please learn how to know GREATNESS when you SEE it.

Posted September 11, 2012 9:03 pm 


rad

Dawson did better than I though he would, but it did look like he quit knowing he could get anything going.
Maybe the weight lose hurt him.
He is kinda big for that weight class, if I was him id go back up and stay there.
I cant loose Muscle and think it wont affect you.
Look what happened to RJJ.

Posted September 11, 2012 8:37 pm 


B Red

:mrgreen:

Posted September 11, 2012 7:54 pm 


Kid Blast

GGG?

Posted September 11, 2012 6:56 pm 


Kid Blast

Agreed

Posted September 11, 2012 6:55 pm 


Kid Blast

Good stuff Popkins

Posted September 11, 2012 6:54 pm 


Kid Blast

Actually, JC fought best after being hurt. He went on a rampage against Mitchell.

Posted September 11, 2012 6:54 pm 


Kid Blast

If Ward begins to close the show in future fights, there is no limit to his future unless ATG is a limit. This kid seems to have it all and if power is soon included in his tool cheat, oh my!! Ward win rounds; he is programmed to win his fights. He puts his oppoenets in a hole and then goes into hydra flow and picks up on the torque. His fight plans are a work of art. Best I have seen in many a year. The old school roughousing is neat stuff as well. Note how he cuffed Chad on several occasions last night making the cut worse. His inside stuff was brutal, especially the jolting and crunching uppercuts that spelled doom for Dawson

Posted September 11, 2012 6:53 pm 


Bruce

Contrary to TARK’s nonsense, Joe Calzaghe was never in a tough fight in his life. He says Calzaghe “got his bell rung”? So what! Show me one fighter who never got his bell rung – you can’t do it. Boxers like Joe Calzaghe who go thru their entire careers without a loss and retire undefeated come along once or twice a century.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:48 pm 


Popkins

Ward doesn’t get punched hard enough to get sent to the canvas? EVERYONE is capable of getting knocked down/out. Let’s see if Andre is capable of getting back on his feet when it happens, in a world title fight against a quality fighter,…and going on to win the fight. And surely, mentally, it’s twice as hard on another guy’s turf. No risk of SOG discovering that just yet though eh?not in California.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:46 pm 


Popkins

Dawson? the same Dawson who lost to Pascal – the same Pascal who had lost to Froch and also Hopkins – who Calzaghe beat….in AMERICA at 175 for the Ring belt.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:39 pm 


Popkins

Froch lost to Kessler. A faded Kessler who had already lost his “0″ to Joe.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:35 pm 


Popkins

Calzaghe stopped Sheika, the same Sheika who had beaten Johnson in his previous fight.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:34 pm 


TARK

Let’s get one thing straight… The best prime fighter Calzaghe ever beat was Kessler… Kessler rang Joe’s bell pretty good but never tagged Ward.. Kessler went the distance winning rounds against JC, but couldn’t win rounds vs Ward—and was getting badly hammered well before the finish.. Calzaghe wouldn’t fight Dawson—Ward fought Dawson.. Calzaghe wouldn’t fight Froch—Ward fought Froch.. Calzaghe wouldn’t fight Glen Johnson—Johnson was beaten by Froch—a member of the Super-Six—and didn’t qualify to fight Ward. Calzaghe was knocked to the canvas by Mitchell, Jones, and Hopkins—Ward doesn’t get punched hard enough to be sent to the canvas.. Calzaghe got his bell rung, got decked, got pummeled—this doesn’t happen to Ward.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:27 pm 


TARK

Steve Bunce is an ignoramus when it comes to Boxing.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:24 pm 


Popkins

“Let’s get one thing straight: a peak Calzaghe – the one that walked through Jeff Lacy and did jobs on Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr – would beat any version of Ward. It is not even up for dispute.”…Steve Bunce on espn.co.uk:)

Posted September 11, 2012 3:44 pm 


fate1ez

umm you obviously know nothing about the sweet science. give credit where its due. you say the super middle weight class is at its worse. no when calzaghe fought it was at its worse. froch,kessler,johnson,green,abraham, bakia, and the cream of the crop,ward. now that ward has cleaned up the division its time to cash in and either move up or down to claim another title in a second weight class.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:05 pm 


Vlad

Oh and also I dont think that was the best of Dawson either… especially after Rumors that he was knocked out by Edison Miranda in sparring but hey… it is what it is…

Posted September 11, 2012 2:21 pm 


Vlad

Haterz…. Ward is the best fighter in the game… but after Mayweather… I can Place Ward at 2… Pacquiao 3. U may think he is protected because he fights a lot at home but the reality is… that has lil to do with what is happening in the ring… He just simply outclasses High Class opponents… No Hater can take that away from him… Be as mad as you want but if Ward was fighting Pacquiao and they where in the same weight Class I would put my House that Ward would Embarrass Pacman.

Posted September 11, 2012 2:19 pm 


pugfan

Ward should be better then May or Paq. Ward is in his prime. Paq and May are near the end of their careers.

Posted September 11, 2012 1:35 pm 


Scott

You asked “Is Ward really that good or was Dawson really that bad?”

I think Andre Ward is extremely talented in a talented division and while he certainly deserves the accolades he’s receiving, I think he’s quite overrated but make no mistake Ward is exceptionally skilled and talented. That said boxers, be them top tier or club level, can be made to look better than they are by the opponent standing (or lying) in front of them.

I’ve always believed that “Bad” Chad Dawson was just that….BAD. Sure Chad’s got plenty of tools but the performance he turned in Saturday night was not too much different than 99% of his others. He’s not very busy, he appears to not be interested in fighting, has little power to keep guys honest, and just looks lethargic in the ring. Chad can blame it on weight issues or even on Wards superior skill set but Chad is one of the most grossly overrated boxers in the game. Like Merchant said, “you have to throw punches to win a fight”. The Lightheavyweight division is fairly weak too which makes Chad look good. I view Chad Dawson as the best of a mediocre bunch.

Andre Ward has the potential to be another great in the vein of Hopkins or Mayweather but he is beatable. Get Ward in the ring with Golovkin…now that would be interesting. I think a big skillful puncher will eventually give Ward problems.

Posted September 11, 2012 12:36 pm 


Anonymous

I would put Ward as the # 2 p4p in the world after Mayweather.

Posted September 11, 2012 11:52 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Well I like many knew that Andre Ward would have the advantage in his weight class ande that Chad Dawsonb had to drop weight (most muscless) in order to fight Ward for his super middleweight title and doing so drain himself down and the rest is history, but I still gice Chad Dawson lots of credit for daring to take this fight ands prove his own words that he wants to fight the best and first fighting old champions and now an younger one so he lived upo to it and that matters a lot in todays boxing where few fighters do that and just talks. Chad Dawson must now build himself up so he can go back and defend his world light heavyweight title or he will be forced to vacate the titles (And then Bernard Hopkins jumps up and conqers the belt in the ring :grin: ) Will we see Dawson vs. Hopkins III or Dawson vs. Pascal II in a near future?

Posted September 11, 2012 10:11 am 


MK

Everyone predicted that Mr Oakland would beat a drained Dawson, more interestingly, who can be a real challenge to Ward, in the future? This is where the money is, but which Lhw fighter can challenge Ward? If none, where does Ward go.

Posted September 11, 2012 9:53 am 


kevin

ward is better then pacman and mayweather pacman fight old limit fighters who really don’t have boxing skills and are slow mayweather pick his fights carefully them ward fights other real fighters he is the p for p champ hands down

Posted September 11, 2012 9:23 am 


dave the old

one name ? he fought frouch lol learn about the boxer before u make comments

Posted September 11, 2012 9:21 am 


MK

To put, Mr Oakland, the most protected fighter to enter a ring, in the same league as Manny, is like putting Robert Stieglitz in the same league as Sugar Ray Leonard. I agree with the fact that Ward is an ok smw fighter, who is well maneged. Dawson had terrible defence, stamina and clearly lacked speed. For Dawson to be Koed 3 times, by a guy who cannot punch, hurts his reputation very much. Now Ward only have these deeply boring Lhw fighters left, since he wont travel.

Posted September 11, 2012 8:20 am 


Anonymous

The idea that if you lose at one weight class badly, you should have a rematch at another is plain ridiculous and makes very little sense…By that rationale we are saying that movement up or down invalidates the results according to the tastes of the viewer… Dawson had plenty of time to make weight and rehydrate, he is not some OLD fighter trying to drop some pounds and usually extreme weight loss manifests in stamina deficits that were NOT seen in Dawson… He could throw shots but he could not connect and he was being outflanked in the ring…. The last 2 noteworthy YOUNG fighters Chad has faced beat him (Pascal and Ward) perhaps Chad spent too much time in the ring with 40 year olds who were trying to fight at a measured pace as opposed to younger guys who can keep it coming…. No matter the reason there is no compelling case to see Dawson/Ward 2….. What for??

Posted September 11, 2012 7:59 am 


Mix

Mark my words! Unless something goes seriously wrong, your gonna see PBF/Ricky Hatton II in the UK next Summer.

Posted September 11, 2012 6:59 am 


mikey

You are very intelligent. I have been looking for the right words to use but you just hit it spot on “If Dawson made no excuses for being given a thorough beat down, who the hell are his fans to make excuses for him ? ” Dawson understands his body and strength and he publicly told the world that his weight loss was not a problem because he knew if it were Carl Froch he (Dawson) would have administered some beat down himself. Ward was just too good for him period!!

Posted September 11, 2012 4:51 am 


Mix

I’d like to see Dawson in with Tony Bellew next, which could well send him into retirement.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:40 am 


Anonymous

Ward is just incredibly skilled. Look at how he throws those punches! It’s like art! Crisp, compact, tight, beautiful shots. Always with pin point accuracy.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:50 am 


Anonymous

What are you talking about Ward is not that great? He has literally been boxing since he was a small child and is extremely focused on utilizing skills and ring intelligence to outclass his opponents. Sound similar? That’s Floyd Mayweather for you. Saying Ward is not that great is just so laughably wrong that it doesn’t even deserve a response. He is most definitely the best fighter in the world after Mayweather.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:37 am 


Anonymous

Like it was already said, Andre Ward is now unbeatable. No one will ever beat him and he will retire undefeated. NO ONE WILL BEAT HIM PERIOD. Not too long from now, pactards will be gone, Adrien Broner and Andre Ward will dominate the sport of boxing, and things will be nice.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:34 am 


7 seas——-

Velmont. That is funny you stated that. Ward is easy money that ive eared over the past 3 years. Ward is so highly protected that anyone with money can bet on Ward and turn out a profit. Ward really isnt that great. Ward has come at a time where the 168s are at there worse. Too, Ward beating Dawson was just great management on ward’s behalf knowing that Dawson at 168 is exactly what you said, a dud. Boxing is not the best matches made, they are the matches that keep ones boy on top. Ward’s people have done a great job protecting him. Dawson had nothing to lose, and all the money to gain. Dawson keeps his light heavy belt and came down 10 pounds to earn his christmas money. Dawson fighting at 168 was no great shock that he would be beat.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:17 am 


velmont

Ward made me 2000 dollars, and the reason why is that is dont take anyone with a half of brain to know that Dawson at 168 was going to be a mush bucket. Ward now has one name on his resume that is a name but not a name that fought at his best. Ward thx again.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:10 am 


Panamared

I will say this. Andre Ward has serious skills that I haven’t seen up to this point of his career. I think that super 6 tourney really prepared him for this moment. Remember, his last 6 fights, he had to adapt to others styles and still made his wins look easy. I reside in the O and let me tell you, he really brought business in Oakland which was much needed in this bad economy. I was at the weigh-in and that was so much fun. I could tell by the look in each others eyes who had the confidence, and that was Ward. He did what an aging Hopkins use to do but couldn’t do. Win with timely shots and good inside fighting. This referee from NY allowed in-fighting, which is very rare these days in boxing, which made for a very exciting fight. I know Ward watched B-Hops style and used it in a more quicker faster version of it. When he had Dawson hurt,Ward was patient and did not go all out because he knew Dawson was the bigger fighter and needed to reserve some energy for the next attack. In conclusion, it was a thorough, systematic beatdown that Dawson never experienced. I just think Dawson is a head case afraid of letting his hands go and risk engaging. Dawson will always be a good fighter but unfortunately, he came across an intelligent great skilled fighter who will be an all-time great in Ward. If he does move up to LH,he needs more improvement in his power shots in establishing a better following for the casual fan. I love his humilty and class and he never boast which makes him a rarity in this brutal sport. Now Oakland owes him a parade!!

Posted September 11, 2012 2:01 am 


B Red

Triple G can step up to 168 and get his ass whooped worse than Dawson :twisted:

Posted September 11, 2012 12:45 am 


B Red

Hopkins also came down in weight from 175 to 170 and beat Pavlik

Posted September 11, 2012 12:29 am 


Peej

You don’t put Heavies in the P4P rankings. The whole purpose was to rank non heavyweight fighters to give the recognition because being the Heavyweight champ or the so called Peoples champ is recognition enough. Especially if you are the heavyweight champ you are considered the baddest man on the planet. Which is what Wlad and Vitali are and will continue to be until they retire

Posted September 10, 2012 11:46 pm 


fate1ez

just like i stated in a previous article andre ward was going to show more power in his punches. he needed to get the respect of the naturally bigger man. as the saying goes you cant lift with your jaw. maybe dawson was a bit weight drained but thats no excuse. he called out ward and said he could make 168. he lost fair and square. dawson looked slow and he had no head movement. he didnt use his reach advantage and height at all. give credit to ward for neutralizing dawson by jabbing and getting inside. ward is definitely in my top 4 p4p. lets see how sergio does this weekend and see what happens to pacquiao and mayweather.

Posted September 10, 2012 11:04 pm 


Sgt p

About the weight, Dawson had 3 months to lose 7 pounds! Really boxing fans WTF? Chavez lost 12 in 2 days and still won. And for the biggest Dawson fans….what makes you think Chad wants a rematch? He doesn’t want ward anymore than bute wants froch the next day, if he didn’t make any excuses for himself so why make excuses for him?

Posted September 10, 2012 11:03 pm 


Anonymous

Weight drain or not, the result would have been the same guaranteed. Andre Ward is basically unbeatable now and is like a Floyd Mayweather. No one can or will beat him ever and he will retire undefeated. Unfortunately for him he doesn’t know how to market himself well and wants to stick to his good boy imagine. That won’t make him money

Posted September 10, 2012 10:50 pm 


Big Al

i give ward credit for the win, but something dawson has a bit of a mental handicap. Dawson’s fighting spirit is similar to victor ortiz in that when the heat gets turned up and the opponent shows no sign of backing off, he shuts down mentally and just doesn’t want to be in the ring anymore. good win for ward, but it wasn’t his toughest test at all, and dawson helped him with the TKO by quitting.

Posted September 10, 2012 10:44 pm 


The Prince

Hey Ward haters, I’ll keep in mind about the weight drain, as long as you admit that Pacquiao carved his whole legacy doing the same thing. Personally, it doesn’t matter, because Dawson called him out. Also, haters were saying Ward wouldn’t fight Dawson at 168. So which is it?

Posted September 10, 2012 10:26 pm 


Patrick2

Jones beat Tarver in their first fight. Secondly, it all depends on the fighter. Some can drop weight no problem, others can’t. Good example was Mosley. He went up to 154 and fought a couple times, and whenever he returned to 147, you could argue, he did better. Age makes it harder to lose pounds, as does an abnormally low body fat ratio — some guys naturally carry a little more fat than others. Those are just two factors.

Posted September 10, 2012 10:22 pm 


Tachyeon

Ward had a great fight but I agree Dawson came down so give him a rematch at 175 only 7 pounds up. Ward stomps him again we know skills pay the bills.

Posted September 10, 2012 10:15 pm 


kenneth lloyd

Dawson did well against Adamek Hopkins and Glen Johnson because they were older men. Both of Dawson’s losses came from fighters who were young

Posted September 10, 2012 10:08 pm 


vinman

floyd and Manny should not be at the top. If the author is going to make the case for ward then the same should be said of wlad klit and maybe the older brother. regardless of what you think about the heavyweight division they have cleared it out. So ward should be the top guy and the brothers Klit round off the top 3

Posted September 10, 2012 10:01 pm 


Peej

Dawson got beat bad plain and simple. He made the challenge, wanted it at 168 regardless of what he has says now. Besides he was supposed to be really strong at 168 and he himself said he would KO Ward cause at 168 is where all his KO’s came from. Ward is just a special boxer and he makes everyone else look average. Same as Mayweather and Roy did in his Prime

Posted September 10, 2012 9:45 pm 


Patrick2

Sredmond, thank you for saying that! Not only are you spot-on, but you saved me a lot of typing. But let me add this, in many cases, not in all obviously, trainers, promoters, and the fighters themselves will start searching for excuses as to why they lost. Sometimes it’s a way of saving face, but often it’s a way to rebuild the fighter after a tough loss. Because, much, make that most, of boxing is mental — if you lose that “edge” of confidence you’re toast. So if you, or those around you, can convince you, even just a little, that maybe it was for “some reason” you lost, and not because of your lack of ability or toughness, it makes it much easier for you to mount a comeback.

Posted September 10, 2012 9:35 pm 


Kid Blast

Yeah, but he is a lawyer so he must get his due. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :twisted:

Posted September 10, 2012 9:09 pm 


Kid Blast

“…in a few years he probably will be the best in the business.” Huh, and who exactly is better right now? Mayweather who is getting long in the tooth? Pac who has slipped? Maybe GGG but that’s a loooon reach. So who?

Posted September 10, 2012 9:07 pm 


Kid Blast

Yeah, now stick around for while.

Posted September 10, 2012 9:05 pm 


Kid Blast

When you are on top, you decide hwere the fight will be held. That comes with the territory. He would be insane to go to the UK when he coud fight ina nice “neutral” spot like Las Vegas. If Ward fought Froch in Raider’s stadium, I sense it would sell out. Of course, he could check with Dirrell about Nottingham. :mrgreen:

Posted September 10, 2012 9:04 pm 


Kid Blast

Bullcrap. He is way overrated. He has become so fat that he can hardly move anymore and his belt is up to his nipples. He did a piss poor job IMO Saturday night. Too fat and slow to break the fighters when they should have been broken.

Posted September 10, 2012 9:01 pm 


Kid Blast

Using Esq. next to your name is sure to get this writer his share of insults. No one likes a lawyer. What part of that don’t you get? :evil: :evil: :twisted: :twisted:

Posted September 10, 2012 8:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Chris Byrd is a POOR example of a guy who came down in weight the got stopped he had been knocked out multiple times at HW where he never TRULY belonged…. He was old and had just been stopped by Wlad and Povetkin when George beat him… Chad Dawson is a PRIME LHW who made weight easily according to him and his team.. Besides Byrd dropped around 30-40 pounds to get down to LHW again whereas Dawson dropped 7 then went back up to his normal fight night weight….. There are NO excuses for his beatdown and to his credit Dawson has not put any forth as of yet….

Posted September 10, 2012 7:44 pm 


SREDMOND

Dawsons weight had nothing to do with his BAD loss you guys are a bunch of Monday Morning Quarterbacks…. This fight was expected to be competitive and boring instead Andre Ward started punching thru the target and breaking Dawson up…. Guys who change weight classes take on risk and thats part of boxing, Ward faced a guy who was a full 185 come fight night 17 pounds above the 168 limit sporting a 5 inch reach advantage, but the more skilled and determined boxer prevailed…. Andre Ward is quietly one of the toughest fighters in boxing, he does not entertain losing and beat Top fighters like Dawson and Froch while dealing with his own disadvantages fight night (broken hand, bigger man)…Revisionists are WEAK!

Posted September 10, 2012 7:33 pm 


m p lewis

this fight smell like a FIX !!!

Posted September 10, 2012 7:31 pm 


Boxtradamus

Roy Jones came down in weight and beat Tarver. So someone SHOULD come down in weight as long as they have more SKILLS than the guy that they’re coming down to face.

Posted September 10, 2012 6:19 pm 


Boxtradamus

Well why did you give Pacquiao credit when he beat De la Hoya? De la Hoya hadn’t fought at Welter in 7 years

Posted September 10, 2012 6:18 pm 


John82

No-one should come down in weight to any fight

Posted September 10, 2012 6:00 pm 


Labe

Steve Smoger is an awesome ref, he let’s fighters go at it at close quarters and rarely gets in the way unless absolutely
Necessary, unlike refs like joe Cortez who breaks fighters up as soon as they get close to each other! Who wants to see a clinch fest anyways. A different ref would have been breaking ward and Dawson up a lot because there was a tad bit of grabbing between each exchange. Smoger helped this fight be more exciting.

Posted September 10, 2012 5:53 pm 


Bruce

Everyone including me was predicting bad things for Chad Dawson because of the weight issue. Some guy here is complaining that Ward was dirty fighting? Oh please, gimme a break! Andre Ward, who seems like a helluva nice guy, beat Dawson fair & square. Also worth mentioning is the fact that Ward just cleaned up the super middleweight division, so his confidence was sky high. Floyd Mayweather is lucky this guy is in a different division, otherwise he’d be looking for excuses to duck Ward like he ducked Pacquiao.

Posted September 10, 2012 5:48 pm 


RapidOne

Writers stop trying to give Ward credit for a weight drained opponent everyone knew from the get go that Chad would have to kill his self to make 168 when he hasn’t fought at that weight almost 6 years. If it were at 175 you would see a well conditioned and seasoned Chad

Posted September 10, 2012 5:40 pm 


Popkins

Yep. That would be fair. Dawson is the Ring champ at 175…he deserves a rematch at his natural weight, on his turf. Same with Kessler really. Mikkel was no.1 at 168 and held the belt, yet he bravely went to California too, with a dodgy ref, and gave Andre a massive opportunity….SOG should return the favour in Denmark. When Mikkel is ready, and the fight makes financial sense of course………………….it’s amazing how Ward has lured these guys into his back garden – it’s not like he was a massive draw, selling out a stadium. Granted, he’s slowly becoming a star now.

Posted September 10, 2012 5:29 pm 


varnish

Dawson was really buzzed by the first knock-down, and was tagged regularly throughut the eest of the fight – he was not weight-drained, he was hurt, fatigued and outgunned.

Posted September 10, 2012 5:23 pm 


LVboxing

Fact #1 Ward is a DIRTY fighter who uses illegal tactics as part of his game plan! Fact #2 Dawson was weight drained and had nothing left…we see this time and time again. No wonder Ward refused to fight Dawson at a catch weight. Fact #3 SOG wants no part of GGG!!!!!!!!!!

Posted September 10, 2012 5:21 pm 


Bozo

He looked so out of energy. Sorry but he was drained out, lost too much weight. That was not the Chad Dawson that I have known.

Posted September 10, 2012 4:48 pm 


Sophia

Very impressive butt-whipping by Ward he found all kinds of weaknesses in Chad`s defense.Ward proved that he is on another level than Chad and one can make the argument that Ward is one of the top two boxers in the world.

Posted September 10, 2012 4:46 pm 


RaidR

Ward did what he was supposed to do. Having said that, the fact that Dawson was fighting at super middleweight for the first time in six years took its toll. Dawson never really had his legs underneath him for much of the night. It’s funny; when Manny Pacquiao “forces” Miguel Cotto to come in at 145 – which is all of one pound less than when Cotto fought Joshua Clottey in his fight prior to facing the “Pac-Man,” – there was a full campaign to discredit this win. Judging by the revisionist history that has taken place on that fight, you’d think Cotto was hooked up to IVs in the dressing room before he fought Pacquiao and taken into the ring from his dressing room on a wheelchair. The only answer to the weight issue is Ward must move up to 175lbs and now face Dawson in his backyard.

Posted September 10, 2012 4:44 pm 


Caballo

Ward did a spectacular job of combination punching, short hooks, right hands, timing, range, masterful.
Dawson could do nothing with him and Ward was smaller than him. I thought he was a gansta, and he asked the pudgy ref to let him quit???

WTF is with that NJ ref? He walked around the ring in slow motion like he had a diaper full of crap, watch the films. He kept taking his hands pushing one or the other boxer away from him at times, as he could not get out of their way. They had to go to NY or NJ for a ref that fat? What about the California refs they can’t move better than that guy? All he kept saying was no punch, no punch, all night, and waddled around the ring.

Posted September 10, 2012 4:34 pm 


Popkins

You may be right. Compared to the tiny pool of mediocre heavyweights the USA has right now…if SOG bulked up he’d probably hold his own with them.lol. ….but on a more serious note, If Ward continues to continually fight in California, I’d be prepared to even go one step further…he could eventually become America’s very own Sven Ottke.

Posted September 10, 2012 4:30 pm 


Cantabile

My question is are we possibly looking at a future heavyweight champ in Ward? My guess is he would walk right thru guys such as Povetkin, for instance and in another couple of years, either or both of the aging K-bros would be in deep do-do vs this extraordinary athlete. It would seem that we may well be witnessing true greatness unfolding in our time.

Posted September 10, 2012 4:22 pm 


Anonymous

Dawson strikes me as a guy who doesn’t believe in his talents once he gets truly tested.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:55 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Depending on the news site and perhaps the sportsbook, odds last week ranged from -300, -350 or -400 for a Ward win. Everyone aside from a couple Dawson fans — surprise, he’s got a couple — knew Ward had this thing hands down. But few predicted a KO win. Hey, it was his first KO since 2008. Hopefully this will give Ward the confidence to continue being aggressive. If so his career will really take off and he’ll earn more fans. He brushed off fan complaints about him not KOing dudes before the bout by saying those fans only like blood and guts brawling. Now that he scored a KO was he a mere brawler? I don’t think so.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:34 pm 


TARK

I”m sure Froch would love to fight Ward in Nottingham England… That would be big and generous of Ward to go there. And why not? He can beat Froch again regardless of the venue, and he will probably get much better and fairer judges in Nottingham than judged their last fight in America …. Plus, why not sell out a football stadium? It would create worldwide excitement and this is what Boxing needs …. Ward always says he wants to give back.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:32 pm 


Anonymous

Ward has weapons in his arsenal that we have yet to see. We’ve caught glimpses of some of his weapons but not a full onslaught. His arsenal is the most diverse than anyone we’ve ever seen. On this fight we saw him fight basically with one hand he threw more jabs and left hooks than he ever has. Ward fought him on the inside and on the outside. Dawsons size was never a factor of which I felt would make it difficult for Ward but not unconquerable. Ward also showed the speed of his jab and his left hook and he gave us a glimpse of his uppercut. I felt the right uppercut was not only not being used but then under utilized and that’s when he blasted him with about 2 of them when they were in a tight clinch.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:23 pm 


rjack58

Popkins that’s a good Idea!! A few weeks back Froch was talking about how he’d BEAT Ward in a rematch. Froch was even DOUBTING whether Ward would BEAT Dawson. After the Dawson fight I’m not sure Froch will be challenging Ward again too soon.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:19 pm 


rjack58

Chad Dawson HASN’T been ‘Bad Chad’ since the Adamek fight when Floyd Mayweather Sr. was his trainer. He’s been vey inconsistent throughout the years since then and not lived up to his pedigree!

Posted September 10, 2012 3:17 pm 


Popkins

To silence his critics…Ward should fight Froch in a football stadium in England, followed by Martinez at a catch-weight of 164 pounds in Vegas….then give Kessler his rematch, somewhere more neutral like Vegas, or to really win the repect of ALL boxing fans, take him on in Denmark. After all, Kessler went to California when he was the champ, and Kessler/Ward 2 would be a massive sell out and a big money spinner in Europe too. Ward would make shed loads of money with those 3 fights…and surely, he’d have no doubters left by then. I’m not a massive fan of SOG, but he has the right opponents out there to turn himself into a great.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:14 pm 


rjack58

Dawson WAS EXPOSED!! The blueprint has been LAID and other 175lbers will capitalize on Ward’s gift!

Posted September 10, 2012 3:12 pm 


Ari

In contrast to the fight, this article included the usual array of hoary points. Did the weight loss undermine Dawson’s capacity to fight ward? Was Dawson exposed as the less than competent fighter?

From my perspective, the weight was immaterial. Ward neutralized Dawson’s height and weight advantage by controlling the distance between them. Moreover, Ward utilized superior footwork to turn Dawson and prevant Dawson from “getting set.” Ward also did not allow Dawson to hold, grind, and minimize his capacity to “fight on the inside.” Additionally, and as the HBO commentators pointed out, Ward committed to his punches, i.e., he maintained his balance, sat down on his punches, and ensured that his punches were shorter, straighter, and on target.

Of course, now that Dawson was TKOed, writers are jumping on the “he was exposed” bandwagon. The outcome of this fight does not change the following: (1) Dawson is a highly skilled fighter; (2) Dawson has fought many very good fighters and defeated them; (3) Dawson has never ducked anyone and elected to fight a prime ward instead of a washed-up fighter, and; (4) Ward is a better-skilled, more effective fighter. In addition, there are times when very good fighters (Dawson) are outclassed by excellent fighters (Ward). Actually, it happens all the time.

To the credit of the author, he offered specific predictions about the progression and outcome of the fight. It is difficult to predict such outcomes, and is why the casinos make as much money as they do. Nonetheless, the author might consider a different approach vis-a-vis engaging the readers of the blog. For example, one of the interesting aspects of this fight was that it presented two “in their prime” fighters. It might be interesting to have a reader contest to identify the top 10 “in their prime” fights that readers would like to see over the next year (Note: That would not include Mayweather-Pacquiao) or a discussion of historical fights in which the fighters met in their respective primes, e.g., Leonard-Hearns, Leonard-Duran..

Just a thought.

Posted September 10, 2012 3:00 pm 


TARK

I thought Ward would win a clear decision and thought the 4-1 odds were very close to dead on… But Ward fought like a 15-1 favorite. Dawson came out strong and landed some hard right hooks early, and even a couple lefts, but Ward looked faster even the first round which Dawson won. Dawson couldn’t land his jab at all, and when a pure boxer can’t land his jab you know he’s going have a very hard night … Ward is very dedicated to being the best, and in a few years he probably will be the best in the business. Before the fight Ward said, “This is another major step up for me. I’m a more complete fighter now than ever.” … That wasn’t nonsense. After their fight Froch said, “I don’t think anyone will ever beat him.”

Posted September 10, 2012 2:49 pm 


Titopa

I felt Ward would win…I knew he was too “skilled”, but I expected more from Dawson…was it the weight? I think so. BUT, you can’t pin that on Ward, he was the one who was challenged, all he did was accept and did what he had to do. I will say this, I was never a “fan” of Andre Ward, but boy did he impress the hell out of me on Saturday, he was FLAWLESS. I’m a FAN.

Posted September 10, 2012 2:47 pm 


sgt p

dawson looked the same in the pascall fight, mid rounds, except ward was alot more arresive with more tools was the weight a issue then also? you tube it, if you dont believe me pascall somehow shut down dawson jab also, maybe that was the weight also you think? or maybe dawson looks faster fighting +40 year old fighters who have lost a step. i like the guy and thought he would do better, but he DOES shuts down in fights sometimes, thats just a fact of life. he supprised everyone when he quit, i think the corner should have thrown in the towell at least 2 round before, to save him the embarrasment of doing it himself and living with it.

Posted September 10, 2012 2:41 pm 


Jack Frost

Author is an idiot!

Posted September 10, 2012 2:24 pm 


sgt p

i read you article last week and you were right about one thing, no one has seen ward unleash a 90s roy jones jr spring left hook, thats what turned the fight, if you search through the super 6 he never did that before. dawson/corner wasnt prepaired and it showed. floppy- was chavez jr weight drained in the andy lee fight? he lost 12 pounds in 2 days? was gatti drained in his fights? he fought 10 pounds above his competition besides odh, was glenn johnson drained in his fights? he lost the same weight to compete in the super six, no. dawson shuts down in big fights and reduces his punch outputs to single digits sometimes…he is way to nice, and rarly uses his height/weight advandages in fights. BTW dawson weighed 186 on fight night, the same as he always fights, he rarly diets but cut the junk food from this training camp and the weight fell off by itself (this comes from him) so are you saying if he has a few big macs the fight would have been more fair?

Posted September 10, 2012 2:23 pm 


Floppy

Dawson was weight drained, he was energry sapped.

Posted September 10, 2012 1:59 pm 


Its Me, Ernie

An article on how wrong you were? Hey thanks for that. :roll:

Posted September 10, 2012 1:46 pm 


Gannicus

From what I saw Ward is just better regardless but I do believe Chad would’ve dne better @ a catch weight oor 175. Maybe not even a catch weight-maybe Dawson just needed the fight @ 175. Anyway, I was going for Bad Chad and will admit I was wrong with my prediction-I think the weight bothered him but I still think Ward would’ve beat him by a UD or maybe still stopped him-I make no excuses for other dudes

Posted September 10, 2012 1:40 pm 


Teri

I personally think Dawson was weight drained, I would like to see this fight again at 175.Dawson did everything possible for a catch weight so as to not be weak.

Posted September 10, 2012 1:04 pm 


Tony

everyone and their mothers predicted Ward to dismantle Dawson. The guy was as high a 4.5 favorite. The author’s prediction is not worth bragging about it.

Posted September 10, 2012 12:17 pm 



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