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Moonshineman

Berto might want to try using the style he used when actually won fights. Losing is in his head now. He may be done.

Posted July 19, 2013 12:00 pm 


Hidalgo

“Mayweather uses the shoulder roll in every fight if you pay attention…. ” He does. It is ingrained in his boxing style.

Posted July 18, 2013 3:03 pm 


Hidalgo

“Berto’s problem is that he’s TOO flat footed as I pointed out long AGO. ”

Being flat-footed is not particularly a sin in boxing. It depends on your interpretation of what “flat-footed” means and the level and depth of your boxing history knowledge. Consider the following “flat-footed” boxers:

Nigel Benn, Rocky Marciano, George Foreman, Marvin Hagler, Kelly Pavlik, Kosta Tszyu, Pernell Whitaker, James Toney…Floyd Mayweather Jr. is more of a flat-footed fighter now than he was 10 years ago.

But I get your drift: What you are really trying to say is that Berto doesn’t move enough. He’s not light on his feet. His defense sucks. So does his offense for that matter.

Posted July 18, 2013 3:01 pm 


Mag

Mayweather uses the shoulder roll in every fight if you pay attention…. He may not use it the whole fight but if you pay attention he’ll roll a punch here and there. It’s part of his defense. He doesn’t seem to use it as often if doesn’t have to….

Posted July 18, 2013 2:36 pm 


Pain

Berto is a fvcking moron.

Posted July 18, 2013 2:29 pm 


TARK

….”Mayweather did not use the shoulder roll against JMM”

Yes he did… You know jack about the shoulder roll.

Posted July 18, 2013 2:16 am 


DMX

Just saw that photo as I was eating two boiled eggs

Posted July 18, 2013 2:15 am 


PEEJ

Your right he has never defended those belts. He only moved up for high paydays and then he gave the belt back up because he says he is a WW not a Jr Middleweight. There was no point in trying to defend the belts when there where no major paydays.

Posted July 17, 2013 11:48 pm 


Fighting Words

@ TARK I have watch all of Mayweather fightes at WW and a Majority of his LW fightes. AT LW he did not use a lot of the shoulder roll he moved a lot and throw punches in combos. I remember seeing fighting a tall fighter at LW and he was using that Shoulder Roll, he lost the war but won the battle, actually Mayweather should have 2 lost on his resume from all the fights I have seen of his. Mayweather did not use the shoulder roll against JMM, there are pictures when He attempted and got hit with a clean right hand so he moved and boxed because he knew JMM throws good Combo, and refused to make weight against JMM. for me that say a lot by his character as a fighter, and he requesting Canelo come in at a catch weight when he fought fighters for belts at JMW, but I must add Mayweather has never defended any of those titles he have won. The only reason he is fighting Canelo is because Showtime force him too of he will not get the $250 million.

Posted July 17, 2013 10:33 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Berto’s problem is that he’s TOO flat footed as I pointed out long AGO. In FACT I SAID that he’s more flatfooted than a DUCK billed PLATYPUS.

Posted July 17, 2013 10:30 pm 


Done deal

Good. He is not good at it, but then again not many fighters are.

Posted July 17, 2013 10:00 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

The best defense IMO was Clottey’s turtle defense…. lol

Posted July 17, 2013 4:55 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Thanks Squared-Circle for the shoutout. BTW the only Mexican I can recall who tried this was Oscar De la Hoya, under Floyd Sr. But that was in the second half of his career which was a downwards arc anyhow. And he never fully implemented the Philly Shell. At the end of the day this shoulder roll stuff should be given it’s proper name and recognition, especially at boxing websites. Neglecting to do so is not recognizing the sport’s history.

Posted July 17, 2013 4:53 pm 


Fight Aficionado

This is called the Philly Shell. Many boxers have used it since the 50s, Floyd’s just the best known recently to utilize this and nobody should credit him as inventing it. Berto’s skills were never developed enough to use it effectively. If you have great reflexes and upper body movement you can slip and counter on a dime. Berto’s never been able to do that so it was idiotic for him to try.

Posted July 17, 2013 12:50 pm 


TARK

@Fighting Words—your post on the shoulder roll., “Floyd didn’t even do the shoulder roll against a smaller JMM when they fought. He tried it with Mosley and got smack with a solid right hand that had him hurt. Mayweather Sr. tried it when fought Sugar Ray, and it didn’t work for him either.”

Did you watch those fights??? Floyd used the shoulder roll vs JMM… Floyd WASN’T using it when Mosley nailed him with big rights. Mosley flipped out a decoy left and gunned through a straight right to the head on the first shot. The 2nd big punch was a right hook that caught Floyd on the temple. Neither time was Floyd attempting the shoulder roll to defend.

Floyd Sr. was not an outstanding fighter—and Roger had no chin. The fact they lost to ATG fighters is completely irrelevant to discussions on the mastery, effectiveness, and execution of the shoulder roll.

Posted July 17, 2013 11:21 am 


Mag

Berto to drop shoulder roll defense – “As he should”…. Its not for everybody. He needs to be himself and stop trying to be something he’s not. I personally think he would have beaten Guerrero if he didnt try to fight that way.

Posted July 17, 2013 8:48 am 


terror tim

Berto’s problem is and seems that it will always be is that he has NO head movement. He doesn’t lack head movement, he has none. He has fast hands and some offensive skill and but he is simply too easy to hit. Hopefully he saved some of his money because the end is very near for him. He was fun to watch but again guys who are easy to hit usually are.

Posted July 17, 2013 3:04 am 


gg

nice face Berto !

Posted July 17, 2013 1:09 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Fighting Words is on Beat Street.

Posted July 16, 2013 11:39 pm 


te tumbo

“It’s easy for fighters to pick up other fighter’ moves . . .” not that easy if Berto’s performance v. Guerrero is any indication. it was easy for Guerrero to bust-up on, though. anyway, Soto Karass is made for a fighter like Berto to pound on. the challenge, as always, is whether Berto can pay the tax because Soto Karass can be a taxing opponent. it’s a good matchup that will test both fighter’s remaining skills and resolve.

Posted July 16, 2013 11:36 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

* Floyd made adjustments and it wored for him.

Posted July 16, 2013 11:11 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Fighting words – didnt read your post prior to posting mine. But you’ve summed it up.

Posted July 16, 2013 11:10 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Roger Mayweather used it when he boxed and got his ass beat. Mayweather made adjustments to it and its worked for him.

Posted July 16, 2013 11:08 pm 


Fighting Words

Often fight fans talk about the shoulder roll like it is a great defensive more, but it is not, especially against skilled fighter. Mayweather is known for the shoulder roll, but when was the last time anyone saw he do it? He didn’t even do it against a smaller JMM when the fought. He tried it with Mosley and got smack with a solid right hand that had him hurt. Mayweather Sr. tried it when fought Sugar Ray, and it didn’t work for him either, Sugar Ray toyed with Mayweather Sr. and Roger Mayweather didn’t even bother he fought Chavez twice and got KO both times, and also got KO by Panell Sweetpea. And when Mayweather used it against Oscar,Oscar stopped using his Jab and Mayweather pulled a SD.

Posted July 16, 2013 11:02 pm 


TARK

The shoulder roll works on any style… You just need the skill.. It takes a lot of years to get it down.. You don’t need to hold your left hand low or cross your arms to do the shoulder roll.. You don’t need the Archie Moore stance..

You need very powerful and very flexible shoulders.. The stronger and more flexible every muscle and joint in your whole body is, the better.

Posted July 16, 2013 10:17 pm 


hookoffthejab

THIS >>>It can be both fighters are southpaws.<<<<

Posted July 16, 2013 8:46 pm 


hookoffthejab

Yep i understand the reference but lets stick to Fact and not fiction …..

Posted July 16, 2013 8:42 pm 


TARK

hookoffthejab

“Hidalgo

“The shoulder roll isn’t a good option against southpaws anyway” It can be both fighters are southpaws.
Posted July 16, 2013 6:28 pm

So our we talking about Berto ..Or two completely different fighters? As Berto is a Orthodox fighter”

He was talking about Berto using it against Guerrero, who is a southpaw… It didn’t work against RG… But it wouldn’t work against anyone good if Berto was using it.. I see Hunter is using the Khan strategy and dropping down the level of Berto’s competition … Good thinking.

Posted July 16, 2013 8:38 pm 


nameless

that shoulder roll almost got him killed.

Posted July 16, 2013 8:07 pm 


hookoffthejab

Great input ???? No idea what your talking about ..Just making noise is my guess ?

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Posted July 16, 2013 8:03 pm 


Hidalgo

“So our we talking about Berto ..Or two completely different fighters? As Berto is a Orthodox fighter ……..”

I was merely countering your statement. Me? I don’t talk about Berto much. Never saw the need to do so.

Posted July 16, 2013 7:59 pm 


Gus

Lose a fight blame the trainer unless of course it’s buddy Mcgirt because his fighters always lose yet be hardly gets any lame..Tony mogan basically raisd this kid and takes him to numerous amateur and world professional titles yet gets shafted..that’s boxing

Posted July 16, 2013 7:48 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Yea, I agree too Broner gets hit more than Floyd too. Broner is gonna get his ass KO one day. He stands too straight when he uses it. Paulie’s punches kept getting thru Broner ” defense “. Paulie just didnt have the power to KO him out.

Posted July 16, 2013 7:47 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Berto was too slow to use it properly. I would have dropped it since the 1st round.

Posted July 16, 2013 7:43 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Left Hook, Berto would’ve won if Guerrero didn’t beat his ass.

Posted July 16, 2013 7:34 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Well given that pic is from when he tried that shoulder roll BS this sounds like a good idea. It’s a safe fight anyhow. Karass is a gutsy fighter who I’ve always enjoyed watching but let’s face it, he’s not world class.

Posted July 16, 2013 7:33 pm 


hookoffthejab

Hidalgo

“The shoulder roll isn’t a good option against southpaws anyway” It can be both fighters are southpaws.
Posted July 16, 2013 6:28 pm

So our we talking about Berto ..Or two completely different fighters? As Berto is a Orthodox fighter ……..

Posted July 16, 2013 7:21 pm 


Titopa

Left Hook – I don’t hate anything more than someone saying, “this guy would’ve won if he had done this and done that”….well, guess what, he didn’t, his bad and he lost! Regardless, Berto is overrated and can’t take a punch…once you hit him and hurt him, he folds.

Posted July 16, 2013 6:53 pm 


PEEJ

Berto doesn’t know how to do it anyways.

Posted July 16, 2013 6:42 pm 


Left Hook

Robert fought dirty in that fight also holding and hitting, using his head just plain and obvious dirty tactics, berto would have won if he would have boxed and counter punched and used the jab more.

Posted July 16, 2013 6:42 pm 


Titopa

Hidalgo – I agree. Marquez is a bad mama jamma!!!

Posted July 16, 2013 6:29 pm 


Hidalgo

“The shoulder roll isn’t a good option against southpaws anyway” It can be both fighters are southpaws.

Posted July 16, 2013 6:28 pm 


hookoffthejab

The shoulder roll isn’t a good option against southpaws anyway….Why would you implement …A for a southpaw & B trying to adjust to such a big change in technique in such a short time is always going to be a risky move ……You need to have faith in yourself and the change and the reasons for utilizing it …..You cant expect too be 100% with it straight of the bat …..

Posted July 16, 2013 6:10 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Good decision, Berto! Broner should abandon that defensive style as well because he’s not using it very effectively.

Posted July 16, 2013 5:27 pm 


Titopa

FEARS – “lesser fighter”?? Well, don’t know what you saw, but I picked Guerrero to beat Berto, I have always felt Berto was overrated and we saw what happens when he gets hit flush…I knew Guerrero’s style would be overwhelm Berto, and it did.

Posted July 16, 2013 5:13 pm 


FEARS

THANK YOU BERTO! It made me sick watching Berto get the Holy Hell beat out of him by a lesser fighter in Guerrero while using his pathetic imitation of the “Shoulder Role”. Who supposedly taught Berto that shoulder roll anyway?

Posted July 16, 2013 4:52 pm 



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