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Rich

PRINCE….You are pulling out of this because you do not have the courage of your convictions,but you gladly hide behind your laptop safe in the knowledge that you can meline another mans achievements and honour, all in the hope you will think your betters on here will think you know boxing….I was hopping to keep you on here longer,only because every time you post you show yourself as an utter goof…Don’t need the good luck…and I aint your pal…..

Posted July 21, 2013 4:00 am 


Adrian

Prince – again bad example ,if you would have spinks as an example against Ali in his prime that’s ok but taking Holmes as an example against Ali is weak ,in Ali’s prime or past it..

Posted July 21, 2013 3:44 am 


Michele Obama got a fine behind!

Manny’s rights as a Christian and his ability to speak his mind has been compromised because of his conviction about the sanctity of marriage!

Posted July 21, 2013 12:49 am 


Hidalgo

“HIDALGO, P4P fighters actually do face-off in the ring on a regular basis.” This is true te tumbo. I should clarify: Klitschko will never fight Mayweather. Ward will never fight Rigondeaux, etc. I was talking across the board. Of course some P4P fighters are in the same weight divisions or fight in more than one weight division, so they will face other P4P fighters. But since some are also in totally disparate weight divisions, they won’t fight ever each other, nor will they fight opponents of the ranked P4P fighters.

Posted July 20, 2013 1:44 pm 


prince

Well, if you dont get the point then I cant help you I am afraid. If you read carefully, I said that many of Pacs fights were against weight drained and/or over the hill fighters. In the case of DLH, both things apply. DLH has made quite a few mistakes in his career that is well known and that was one of them. Sorry man, but I think I know a bit more about the sport than you think you know.
I have made my point and cemented that with arguments, but you dont get it and hence render it invalid. Anyway good luck pal

Posted July 20, 2013 12:30 pm 


Rich

No I don’t get your point because you are talking hypothetically and started blathering on about something irrelevant ,he was never asked to fight at 154,stick to the facts…..But, yes I do think personally Manny would have taken him ..You contradict yourself in the same breath first he is weight drained then past his best and that is why Pacq took the fight and speak for everyone when you say i guess we all know the answer to that one…So not are you only a boxing expert you also know more than DLH on what weight draining issues are involved but how they effect a fighter…its a pity you did not impart all your worldly knowledge to him,he may have not have offered the fight to Manny….I suppose this is the same script you will be rolling out for the other two catch-weights, because according to you these were 3 of his defining fights…….

Posted July 20, 2013 12:06 pm 


prince

Adrian, sorry I am not sure in which world you are living. Holmes would never have beaten the pre 1974 Ali! He would have given him a good fight, but Alis was faster and more skilled than Holmes.

Posted July 20, 2013 11:47 am 


Adrian

Holms would have whoop Ali anytime ,just like norton and Fraiser did …bad example find another case.

Posted July 20, 2013 11:14 am 


prince

Rich, again I am asking you, do you think Team Pacquiao would have fought DLH at 154? I guess we all know the answer! So in order to make the fight happen DLH drained himself to face him at 147 a weight he hasnt fought at for a very long time. So, not only was DLH past his best, he was also weight drained. So you can say that Pac did not demand it proactively here but he would never have fought DLH at 154 because it would have been considered too much of a threat, the same with Cotto and with Margo. So, y claim is that 3 of his biggest and defining fights were against past their prime and weight drained opponents. And if you understand boxing, you know what it takes out of you if you have to make weight and drain yourself. And if you have to come down to a weight you havent made in years, you will not rehydrate quickly enough and are extremely weakened which was more than visible in this fight with Oscar. While this is not entirely Pacs fault as Oscar agreed to that, it does not make this victory look that good after all. Again, Holmes victory over Alis was over a shot and sick Ali, hardly a proof that Holmes is better than Ali. I hope you get my point now!

Posted July 20, 2013 8:27 am 


spartacus 65

Goodmorning Rich. Anytime my friend. A pleasure. Admire your sticking to the facts and standing your ground. Some folks get very irate over these things and others stay focused and calm. Glad to see someone else that practices the latter. Good contributions champ. Peace and strength.

Posted July 20, 2013 6:53 am 


Rich

Thank you for the compliment….Spartacus 65……

Posted July 20, 2013 4:14 am 


Rich

I find when you address me you do so in an impolite and insulting manner, these snide schoolboy remarks are given because you cannot answer your own questions….You have ignored my requests to substantiate your claims..I will stick to your DLH quote first..If he was an over the hill weight drained fighter why was he considered the favourite,the fight was also promoted by Golden Boy Productions,owned by DLH who offered the fight to Manny. ODH said he would come down in weight to make up the advantage he had on height and reach(6inch) but Manny would have to go up in weight ,this was agreed and the fight made…So NO Pacq did not demand all the catch-weight fights….But your true ignorance and disregard for anyone but yourself opinion is the telling sentence “who cares about his fights in the Philippines” You are not the boxing knowledge you think you are………..

Posted July 20, 2013 4:10 am 


Adrian

Peej- lol you really don’t get it do you? … You got involved in my reply to bluesman that he said PAC was never good and beat past their prime boxers , so I took Barrera as an example who was a p4p at a time (nr.4 above mayweather Lewis ,delahoya ,forest,Mosley tszu etc..)
So you jumped and acused me of twisting facts claiming Barrera was not a p4p ? ?? What a f@@.. You wanted to prove with that statment ? that Barrera was past his prime his prime when PAC beat him or Barrera was never good and being a top 5 in a p4p ranking is not worth mentioning that PAC beat him ? And somehow because of that I am twisting the facts? Lol …

Posted July 20, 2013 1:19 am 


PEEJ

Adrian
Bluesman – yeah sure PAC was”never that good ” but he became known through his singing skills..lol .. Listn PAC made a name for himself when he beat a p4p king at a time Barrera in a shockingly dominating fashion now if Barrera was past his prime when when he was a p4p then all the boxers at that time must have suck includin

You said he was a P4P king. To be the King you have to be numero uno and Barrera was never the top P4P King.

Posted July 20, 2013 12:23 am 


Adrian

@ peej- why are you trying lying ? Check below what I said and than what you said about ne “twisting ” the facts ,I said Barrera was a p4p boxer than you said he wasn’t and I am twisting the facts …lol read below your own words and mine !

Me”when when he was a p4p then all the boxers at that time must have suck includin oscar mosley etc…”

Peej”PEEJ

Berrera was never the top P4P fighter. Like I’ve said before you try and twist history. You can’t change the facts

Posted July 19, 2013 9:48 am

PEEJ >

“Adrien you proved my point. You have him there ranked number 4. He was not top P4P. Thanks though, saved me time from looking it up.”

Lol

Posted July 19, 2013 11:29 pm 


Supreme Court

The proof that Pacquiao is a Has-been-who-never-was:
Manny Chemical Pacquiao has been delocalised to China,
following his beheading by the legendary Juan Manuel Marquez…

Posted July 19, 2013 11:21 pm 


Adrian

The real American oak- great post !!

Posted July 19, 2013 11:09 pm 


spartacus 65

Lenzo, very well written commentary from you sir. Pacquiao was always humble and a fine ambassador fkr the sport. Never spoke ignorantly like certain other individuals and represented his native land well. His grace in accepting the loss to Marquez, a fine fighter himself was very admirable. His styke of fighting made for some truly thrilling moments which is why even mma fighters loved to watch his fights. A kkt of fellas onthe site this evening seem to have a peculiar, vindictive and somewhat ruthless attitude towards a nan whom they don’t know personally,yet seem to have the courage to disparage him,Pacquiao thatis ,with a lot of gusto. I suppose this is the youth culture as it exists today. A ot of then identify with Mayweather and seem to as a result take criticism of him personal. Whatever floats your boat I guess.However Manny has had a distinguished career and I hope he and his family have continued success in the future. There is more to life besides boxing. He deserves a rest. He has given the fans a lot over the years to give the fabs something to rave about. Cheers.

Posted July 19, 2013 10:59 pm 


Proper Dos

Pac is dangerous to B level fighters? I guess that means JMM knocked Pacquiao off the A list. I think people will be surprised by his fight with Rios too. Rios will win!!

Posted July 19, 2013 8:05 pm 


THE REAL AMERICAN OAK

Good article and accurate. The meatheads that count Pac out after a KO loss haven’t seen much in the way of real boxing. My guess is they couldn’t name the top 3 fighters in any weight class back before 2002.

Pac is dangerous and he could absolutley destroy Rios. Of course then the meat heads will say Rios is a B fighter, which is true.

Time will tell. I think a surprise is in store.

Posted July 19, 2013 7:57 pm 


spartacus 65

Rich goodevening sir. Appreciate your comments thoroughly. Posts ring solidEverything you said in yourprevious posts ring solid. Three fights out of 61 does not hold up to making Pacquiao out to be the king of the catchweight throne. That is simply an attempt by a biased person or persons who dont like to adhere to objectivity,also the need to diminish and downgrade the mans accomplishments inside the ring. To be fair I didn’t care for the selection of Mosley as an opponent and truthfully I feel Mosley would have spelled serious challenges for Pacquiao had it been a younger Mosley. Still over all Manny has stepped up to the plate countless times amd taken big risks against very formidable opponents while they were still at their fighting best. He deserves his due. Not amateurish jaw jacking attempts at demeaning him. Peave and strength my friend.

Posted July 19, 2013 6:33 pm 


te tumbo

BBC + my ass = :)

Posted July 19, 2013 4:10 pm 


te tumbo

I love HUGE d!cks…… yumy yumy!!! o======3 + my ass = : )

Posted July 19, 2013 4:09 pm 


te tumbo

I love HUGE d!cks….. yumy yumy!!!

Posted July 19, 2013 4:00 pm 


prince

and yes, the catch weights were demanded by Team Pac!

Posted July 19, 2013 3:51 pm 


prince

it is some of his most meaningful fights. No one cares about his fights in the Philippines. He started to get some recognition after the first Barrera fight and really got the full blast after Morales and then DLH. But beating over the hill and weight drained fighter does not mean that one is great. It would be like saying Holmes was better than Ali, cause he beat Ali. Again, get a clue!

Posted July 19, 2013 3:50 pm 


Rich

Yes I can count ,but let me help you with your maths…..3 fights out of 61 is not many big fights at a catch-weight,it is in fact a very small percentage,also considering these fights weights were not of Pacqs making,but you grandly proclaim that all these fights were instigated by team Pacq to gain unfair advantage on an opponent….Also why would he fight DLH 154 when DLH wanted it less…..

Posted July 19, 2013 3:35 pm 


prince

sorry, I meant to say fearsome instead of fearless

Posted July 19, 2013 3:24 pm 


prince

fearless but also brainless Rich, I think I have mentioned the fights DLH Cotto and Margo. If you are able to count (suggesting that you went to school) you can find out how many fights that were! Also, do you really believe that Team Pacquiao would have fought DLH at 154?

Posted July 19, 2013 3:12 pm 


Rich

Thank you for fearing I do not have a clue, but I also fear you are the clueless one, for instance on your first remark out of the box…In actual fact DLH picked the weight for that fight not Pacq..But also your so called knowledge precedes you..”Many big fights were at catch-weights” how much is many…..

Posted July 19, 2013 3:00 pm 


prince

urone2, I agree. It was amazing how quickly and smoothly the Cotto fight was made after he was away from Arum!

Posted July 19, 2013 2:39 pm 


boom

HAS-BEEN!!!!

Posted July 19, 2013 2:37 pm 


prince

@Rich, but certainly not of knowledge.
Many big fights of Pac were at catchweights or at weight classes unsuitable for the respective opponent:
DLH, Cotto, Margo, instigated by Team Paquiao as otherwise he would be too small!
Over the hill fighters: DLH, Mosley, Margo, Morales (yet still beat him the first time), Barrera in the second fight. There even is a video of Roach saying that he turned down Mosley as he would have been too dangerous at the time. So they waited until Floyd handled him when he came off the Margarito win and then took him on when he got older! Well done!
I fear you dont really have a clue and accept everything you see and hear without questioning!

Posted July 19, 2013 2:37 pm 


Rich

Prince,this is for you….But I fear you will never be King….Remember uneasy lies the head who wears a crown…”Pacq fought over the hill fighters for most part and at catch-weight as well” you inform us……Soooo how many catch-weights did Pacq fight and how many did he instigate …..I ask you to name these as I as think any fighter who has had 61 fights not only asks our respect but should demand it and your flippant remarks should be dealt with in the contempt they receive….So I ask again substantiate your remarks……

Posted July 19, 2013 2:20 pm 


urone2

Marquez set Manny up prefectly, Marquez had left his patented straight right in the shoe box and was using a looping right on Manny. You know the punch that put Manny down the first time. Then when Manny made the adjustment to avoid the looping right by stepping inside of it Manny stepped into a straight right full force. That as we all saw was lights out. Floyd/Manny might happen now that Manny has been losing, Bob Arum will release him from his contract and Manny and Floyd will fight. Just like Floyd and Cotto Fought after Cotto was released from contract with who Bob Arum. Some of you so call boxing experts need to get a clue, it might feel good to you to call some of these boxers scared, but rarely will you find one scared. Most of the time it the promoters and manager that are scared.

Posted July 19, 2013 2:09 pm 


prince

tj, spot on! Calzaghe is way overrated. Ok he beat Lacy who was considered good then and Kessler which is his best win. He lost to Hopkins in my and many other peoples eyes and beat a way past his best Jones.

Posted July 19, 2013 1:35 pm 


forreal

…i think that nasty K.O. affected PEDman’s brain A LOT MORE than i thought!!

Posted July 19, 2013 1:24 pm 


TJ

YO ADRIAN

YOUR POST regarding the top P4P Guys in boxing has proven my point re one, JOE CALZAGHE!

Posted July 19, 2013 10:15 am

Joe won the title in 1997 (Yes, that’s right – 5 years into his reign as the ‘BO Champion), beating CHRIS EUBANK, who had been training for a fight at LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT and on 2 weeks notice, he accepted to match up with Calzaghe for a crack at his old vacant ‘BO Crown, having to come down a further 7 pounds from the 175 limit to make 168….

JOE is NOWHERE at all on this list for top #P4P boxers, which only goes to add substance to my previous posts that his whole career has been built on shifting sands and whilst we all knew who he was, we were waiting for him to back up his boasts and actually fight and beat someone of substance….

It took Joe a further 3/4 years to even make an impression on the wider boxing scene – Yes, that is 8/9 years into his ‘BO title reign!

We also have to remember we had another fighter in the same division – SVEN OTTKE racking up his own list of 20 defences in what I consider to be the weakest period of the Super Middleweight division’s short history….. (2 champions, both making 20 successful defences is evidence in itself).

Joe was the undercard to NASEEM HAMED and RICKY HATTON, because privately both he and Frank didn’t think he could break through DISPITE the fact he had good looks, an exciting all-action style and rabid countrymen who were prepared to support him – he was drifting, until he got lucky pulling out of 2 scheduled shots at ROAD WARRIOR, GLEN JOHNSON only to luck into getting a bout with JEFF LACY, who he schooled and the rest is history!!!!!

He cemented his legacy with a very good win over MIKKEL KESSLER, but refused to give him a rematch in Denmark, electing to suddenly BEAT his so-called FEAR OF FLYING to fly to the States several times to re-invent himself, thrashing Peter Manfredo before getting the lucky end of a split decision over career- MIDDLEWEIGHT Bernard Hopkins at 175 and finishing by beating on the shell of what was ROY JONES JNR!!!!!!

So, please no one be telling me that he is an all-time great….. Go back and check all the year-end reviews and he is seriously not on the radar of anyone before 2005, even though he was reigning ‘BO holder longer than the combined ages of NOAH, MOSES, JACOB, DAVID and all his descendants!!!

Posted July 19, 2013 1:11 pm 


PEEJ

There is a reason why he doesn’t fight boxers for the exception of Marquez. That’s why Pac ducked Guzman. That’s why he lost against Bradley. He just doesn’t do well against boxers. Now I think he beat Bradley but not by much. Fighting only 30 seconds a round doesn’t always get you a win. That’s why he is taking Rios on, because he is a come forward fighter.

Posted July 19, 2013 1:10 pm 


PEEJ

And read my post I said he was never the top P4P fighter. The top would be number one

Posted July 19, 2013 12:38 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Another LOL pic ESB chose there. Anyhow Pac vs Rios is going to be a wild one. Rios has a solid chin and is game as hell. He can also break dudes down so it’s a real test of just how much Pac has left. If he’s withered physically he’ll get his ass kicked. I figure Pac wins though.

Posted July 19, 2013 12:38 pm 


PEEJ

Adrien you proved my point. You have him there ranked number 4. He was not top P4P. Thanks though, saved me time from looking it up.

Posted July 19, 2013 12:37 pm 


prince

moonshineman, I think the moon has been shining on your head a bit too long cause you are posting so much non-sense. Mayweather beats Pac all day and Arum and Pac know that – hence they walked away from the biggest payday and continue figthing stablemate fighter that are beatable.

Posted July 19, 2013 12:13 pm 


Moonshineman

Zuks

Pacman’s career is not over if all you Manny fans believe that crap. Sure he can still fight if he wants and be beaten or win, but he is no longer at the pinnacle of the sport of boxing. Floyd losing to Manny…now that’s the biggest joke of the year; topping even the biggest fight of the year – Mayweather vs. Canelo.
Posted July 19, 2013 10:06 am

If this is true, why won’t Mayweather fight Pacquiao. ALL PPV Records would be broken. You, and every honest boxing fan knows. Mayweather is Chicken Chit, when it comes to Pacquiao, and always has been.

Posted July 19, 2013 11:51 am 


te tumbo

HIDALGO, P4P fighters actually do face-off in the ring on a regular basis. it’s not Pacquiao’s* style and the results of his showdowns v. fellow P4Pr Marquez illustrate why but those matchups have and continue to happen, e.g., Mayweather v. Alvarez, Mathysse v. Garcia, Marquez v. Bradley, Alvarado v. Provodnikov, Klitschko v. Povetkin. even Rios v. Pacquiao* would be another example IF Pacquiao* were still regarded to be a top P4P fighter. anyway, P4P is a marketing tool but when the rankings are right (e.g., Mathysse v. Garcia) they’re right-on.

Posted July 19, 2013 11:49 am 


Moonshineman

Manny would simply knock out Mayweather, and MW knows it.

Posted July 19, 2013 11:48 am 


Adrian

Kornerman .lol I didn’t say he ko “hamed” I said he stoped his wining streak of 35 wins and 0 losses and yeah it’s Ahmed but hamed but still we are talking about the same clown.

Posted July 19, 2013 11:42 am 


Hidalgo

Adrian, the whole concept of P4P ratings is based on conjecture. Because the P4P ranked fighters will never fight each other, there is no concrete way to compare their abilities. It’s all supposed; theory; guessing; speculation; opinions. This is why P4P rankings don’t really mean anything. The rankings that are important are the rankings of the fighters within each of the individual weight divisions that they fight in. To say Floyd Mayweather Jr. is ranked #1 P4P is one thing. To actually prove it is another. This is why P4P rankings are bogus. Well, at the very least they are a waste of time.

Posted July 19, 2013 11:30 am 


KOrnerman

and its Hamed not Ahmed.

Posted July 19, 2013 11:11 am 


KOrnerman

Adrien tiz you that is a dummy, Barrera never stopped Naz.

Posted July 19, 2013 11:09 am 


te tumbo

Mayweather v. Pacquiao* is a matchup that has ripened, dropped off the branch, and is currently rotting on the ground. it’s “freshness” date expired following Marquez’s demolition job on Pacquiao*. Floyd would only improve on Marquez’s performance (if not KO) and extend it over 12 rounds. Pacquiao* has NEVER been even remotely close to Mayweather’s level and Marquez proved it. that matchup is completely irrelevant wouldn’t bust 1 million PPVs even after a Floyd win over Alvarez and Pacquiao* loss v. Rios, which i’m beginning to anticipate with more certainty as we get nearer to fight-night. i like what i’m hearing about Rios’ camp, thus far.

Posted July 19, 2013 10:43 am 


te tumbo

“It has been a while since Manny Pacquiao said anything of substance, or really anything at all”. that’s because he’s been in a foggy haze ever since Marquez put his lights out. although, he remains arrogant, proud, and disrespectful enough to decline Marquez’s challenges over purse-splits and fight venues. almost as if he doesn’t even recall being FLATTENED by Champion of the Decade Juan Manuel Marquez the Greater. anyway, now that Pacquiao* is a “has-been” or never-was, he can return to successfully cherrypicking peripheral contenders and catchweight-compromising faded Names while avoiding his primary P4P rivals. that’s the Arum prescription for greatness and i anticipate that Manny* will be a good and obedient boy IF he wants to continue collecting paydays in Boxing. otherwise, ANY of the serious up-and-coming welters would defeat and/or seriously dent what remains of Pacquiao’s*. in fact, he’s gonna catch a severe beatdown v. the stronger and fiercely-determined Rios who will also be the bigger fighter. Face It Pacturds: no amount of apologizing is gonna protect Pacquiao* from reality now.

Posted July 19, 2013 10:34 am 


Adrian

Peej – you want more facts or you think those facts I twisted them because they don’t prove your argument .. This shows how much you know about boxing , you attacked me thati twisted the facts by saying Barrera was never a p4p now since you see the facts (google it ) that I was telling facts here do you have anything to say ? Do you need more facts ?stop going after me when you don’t have a clue about boxing at least be more prepared when u decide to accuse me kid.

Posted July 19, 2013 10:27 am 


Adrian

Peej. Ok since you said Barrera was never a p4p here are the facts kid!
In Boxing, “Pound-for-Pound” lists are used to rank fighters across the board. The idea is to imagine all fighters at the same weight class with proportionate attributes. In reality, it’s just a nice way to look at all of Boxing and pick out the guys who impressed you most. Hopefully, this will serve as a quick review of the events of the top 20 guys in Boxing for 2002.

1 Roy Jones, Jr. (L. Heavy) – Roy Jones was neck and neck with Hopkins for this distinction. Jones’ fights in 2002 against so-called “#1 contenders” Glen Kelly and Clinton Woods did nothing to help him but signing on to move up to face Heavyweight Titlist John Ruiz in 2003 is very impressive.

2. Bernard Hopkins (Middleweight) – Like Roy Jones, but worse, Hopkins did very little in 2002 except argue about contracts. His domination of Felix Trinidad in 2001 still gives him this position. Only fighting one time this year against unheralded Carl Daniels doesn’t put him in the running against Jones though. Hopefully he’ll solve his contract problems soon.

3. Vernon Forrest (Welterweight) – Forrest jumps to the top of the class by starting off the year with an amazing upset of previous pound-for-pound favorite “Sugar” Shane Mosley. Then Forrest surprises everyone by agreeing to a dangerous immediate rematch and winning again. Not to sit on his laurels, Forrest is fighting again in January against top contender Ricardo Mayorga.

4. Marco Antonio Barrera (Featherweight) – Barrera arrived at the top with wins over Naseem Hamed and a contraversial loss to Eric Morales. This year he posted a win against Morales and also one against game Johnny “Mi Vida Loca” Tapia.

5. Oscar De La Hoya (J. Middleweight) – “The Golden Boy” is Golden again after a spectacular destruction of “Ferocious” Fernando Vargas. He’s now trying to lure Felix Trinidad back into Boxing. If that fails it’ll be an exciting rematch with “Sugar” Shane Mosley.

6. Kostya Tzyu (J. Welterweight) – After KO’ing Zab Judah in 2001 Tzyu fought only once and defeated top contender Ben Tackie. Tzyu reigns supreme at the top of one of Boxing’s deepest division. Tzyu is schedule to fight Jesse James Leija in early 2003.

7. Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (Lightweight) – Floyd began the year with an impressive idea, moving up from J. Lightweight and immediately facing the division’s top guy, Jose Luis Castillo. Floyd tried to show off his Boxing skill against his tenacious opponent but it came off as running. Many people felt Castillo won the first fight and the second was more of the same. Mayweather scores two big wins this year but in as unspectacular a fashion as possible.

8. Erik Morales (Featherweight) – Many people felt Morales won his second fight with Barrera and he followed it by stopping Paulie Ayala from moving up in weight.

9. Tim Austin (Bantamweight) – “The Cincinnati Kid” had another good year against game opponents. So far Austin hasn’t found an opponent good enough to make him look good. Hopefully he’ll face Raphael Marquez in a great fight next year.

10. Acelino Freitas (J. Lightweight) – Freitas jumps into the list this year by winning an upset over Joel Casamayor for the J. Lightweight Belt and then with a good defense of it.

11. “Sugar” Shane Mosley (Welterweight) – Mosley had a terrible year with two losses against Vernon Forrest. Mosley has the chance to regain some glamour if he can get in the ring with Oscar De La Hoya and beat him again next year.

12. Fernando Vargas (J. Middleweight) – With a previous KO from Felix Trinidad, this year’s KO from Oscar De La Hoya and a 9-month suspension for steroid use Vargas’s career is in shambles. He’s young enough to make a comeback, but can he do it?

13. Lennox Lewis (Heavyweight) – Lewis regained his crown at the end of 2001 by KO’ing Hasim Rahman and this year delivered a serious beating to Mike Tyson.

14. Jose Luis Castillo (Lightweight) – Castillo jumped up the pound-for-pound list by nearly defeating Floyd Mayweather. Although he decisively lost the second fight he showed that he’s one of the best fighters in the world.

15. Wladimir Klitschko (Heavyweight) – Dr. Klitschko had a great year with dominating performances over Ray Mercer and Jameel McCline. Wlad is almost universally recognized as the heir apparent to the heavyweight crown.

Posted July 19, 2013 10:15 am 


Zuks

Pacman’s career is not over if all you Manny fans believe that crap. Sure he can still fight if he wants and be beaten or win, but he is no longer at the pinnacle of the sport of boxing. Floyd losing to Manny…now that’s the biggest joke of the year; topping even the biggest fight of the year – Mayweather vs. Canelo.

Posted July 19, 2013 10:06 am 


Adrian

Peej — you are clueless kid! Check the fact dummie , Barrera became a king when he stoped and embarresed Ahmed who was a p4p but hey you don’t remember that because you said you started watching boxing because of tayson lol…

Posted July 19, 2013 10:03 am 


Adrian

Squere- you are spot on. It’s so interesting that those who are claiming PAC carrier is over here are known big Floyd fans ,I wonder why….I know one thing though I am absolutely sure and I agree with the writer that the biggest fight that could be made today would be mayweather vs PAC those who think there would be no interest in that fight just don’t want to see their hero possibly lose

Posted July 19, 2013 9:59 am 


Zuks

Adrian…Adrian…Adrian: Floyd Mayweather is the best P4P boxer in the world!

Now that’s NOW!

Posted July 19, 2013 9:58 am 


PEEJ

Berrera was never the top P4P fighter. Like I’ve said before you try and twist history. You can’t change the facts

Posted July 19, 2013 9:48 am 


BRUCE

NINETY PERCENT OF ALL BOXERS TODAY ARE ON DRUGS

Posted July 19, 2013 9:30 am 


Adrian

Bluesman – yeah sure PAC was”never that good ” but he became known through his singing skills..lol .. Listn PAC made a name for himself when he beat a p4p king at a time Barrera in a shockingly dominating fashion now if Barrera was past his prime when when he was a p4p then all the boxers at that time must have suck includin oscar mosley etc…

Posted July 19, 2013 9:27 am 


prince

nathan, just shut up you stupid idiot! You have no clue. Pac fought over the hill fighters for the most part and at catchweights as well!

Posted July 19, 2013 9:17 am 


Zuks

@Adrian
I am not blaming the media for the question, Floyd said it and he was entitled to that answer, he is right because he is no longer regarded as the P4P best in the world.

This is what Floyd said when Manny’s face hit the canvass…. “I feel bad for him, honestly. I really feel bad for him. There’s a difference in the ways you can get knocked out. See, when a guy gets knocked out and he can get up, they sit him on his stool, they rub his back, he go home and ice himself, you know, he go to the hospital and get checked out and he’s okay, that’s one thing. But when you gotta wake a guy up with smelling salt and he got a concussion and he gotta go to the hospital over night, that’s crucial. I mean, that’s close to the death”.

Marquez has a right to call Mayweather the best ahead of Manny and he said it many times, PERIOD.

Manny is a has been, PERIOD, I am telling you that!

Posted July 19, 2013 9:09 am 


PEEJ

Too bad Arum didn’t have the balls to put him in there with Floyd. We already know Pac will lose against Rios because the drug test will make him weak for the fight

Posted July 19, 2013 8:42 am 


Adrian

Zuke-yeah blame it on a media ,saying “a has been” I don’t think sounds “sympathic” after many ko, and btw I never knew that for mayweather PAC was “the guy to beat” since he calls him now a “has been” ..o maybe its because now for him PAC is not using juice but he did before…lol

Marquez has a right to call PAC a ” has been” since he fought him 4 times
Mayweather can’t tell us anything about PAC because he never had balls to fight him period!

Posted July 19, 2013 8:22 am 


Zuks

Floyd was never disrespectful to Manny’s KO by Marquez. He even sympathized with him.

It’s the media that asked a damn question for no reason while Floyd was promoting his upcoming fight. The person that asked about Manny had no business asking about him because he was not the subject and still have a small fighter to face in November, he lost two fights officially in a row.

Obviously Floyd flipped because of that nonsense question.

Truth is even if Pacman wins in November, he will never be the same!

Posted July 19, 2013 7:53 am 


Zuks

The one shot from Marquez made Pacman lose his stock and that is a FACT.

Posted July 19, 2013 7:47 am 


Zuks

Manny is saying Marquez got lucky and yet its part of the game. BS, give Marquez credit he beat you and he was not lucky, you have robbed him many times, it was payback.

Posted July 19, 2013 7:46 am 


Jay rock

The problem with Manny fans is he was fighting people at caught weights and they were killing themselves to make weight, he looked like a rock star until the caught weight stopped and he had to fight people at the correct weight then the truth came out

Posted July 19, 2013 7:40 am 


prince

test

Posted July 19, 2013 7:35 am 


junior

testtttt

Posted July 19, 2013 7:29 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

SLEEP little baby DON’T say a word…..Floyd is going to buy you a MOCKING bird

Posted July 19, 2013 5:07 am 


CJ

Manny has lost is his last 1 out of 2 fights after being red hot. And he sure as hell didn’t lose to Bradley! And neither did Provodnikov either. DOHHHHH!

Posted July 19, 2013 4:28 am 


Ghetto Thug

If Punkcquiao tries to beat JMM by outboxing him he gets schooled, if he wants to KO JMM he gets KOed…. there are no more questions left, thats is, ce finito, cest tout, se acabo, JMM is Punkcquiaos papi

Posted July 19, 2013 3:55 am 


Lenzo

Some of the fighters that might believe this negative hype might just end up walking into the biggest letdown of their career.

Posted July 19, 2013 3:35 am 


Roy Andrews

I don’t think the loss to Juan Manuel Marquiz proves whether Manny Pacquiao is a shot fighter or not. It was a one punch Kayo, can happen to anybody if they get caught flush. In the 1930′s, the supposedly rock jawed champ, Johnny Dundee was KOed by light punching Willie Jackson, first round, Jackson caught him clean, on the front foot, as Jackson was backed-up on the ropes. That was the only one of their fights Dundee lost. If I was to consider Pacquiao washed up, it would not be based on the Marquiz 1 punch KO, but rather on the fact, that though he out-classed Tim Bradly he could not stop him, but after I saw Bradly battered by Ruslan Povinikov, I don’t know if it is just that Bradley takes great punch. Bradly has a charmed life all he had to do is go the distance in those 2 fights, and the judges gave him decisions. Dishornesty ot incompitance ?

Posted July 19, 2013 3:34 am 


Lenzo

Manny defied the odds, had some luck, had great stoppages and battles and became a crowd favorite. Most of all, he was very humble, never disrespected anyone, stayed professional and went about his career without being hated. He was very good and could turn it up unlike few others. He may not be the very best but he had great days and will most definitely be an ATG, a very honorable boxer who was a great ambassador to the sport. Todays others have no respect for the fans or sport. No wonder boxing has lost the spotlight.
Cheers to you Manny.

Posted July 19, 2013 3:33 am 


Rich

So Bluesman….He was never that good to begin with…So you must think Marq is way better, considering Paq never beat him..You seem to think you know an awful lot about boxing,but you have given only two examples of what you consider easy match ups

Posted July 19, 2013 2:10 am 


BLUESMAN

Pacquiao was never that good to begin with. He’s a glorified slugger who has fought people past their best like Hatton & Margarito and he NEVER once beat Marquez. With Marquez, Pacquiao got two gift decisions, a gift draw, and the fourth time he got TRASHED. :-p

Posted July 19, 2013 12:25 am 


murderman

If pack loses he is done! He win, him, may, odh, and bob arum will put all differences aside n make this fight? Why now? Simple! No other options available. Like it or not they need each other! Egoes will finally be tossed aside n we fans will finally get what we want. I got may by ud or late ko. Pac is the best offensive foghter n our era! But his lack of defense is beginning to catch up w him!

Posted July 18, 2013 11:19 pm 


Mongrel

I`ve got it on good authority that Pacman has been through not one but TWO training montages for this fight – one to “eye of the tiger” and one to “gonna fly now / rocky themetune”.

No way he loses after that much montage, it would require a rewriting of the fundamental laws of physics.

Posted July 18, 2013 11:09 pm 


Tomato Can

Provodnikov will never be the king of boxing. He’ll get beat soundly by the first guy who boxes him.

Posted July 18, 2013 10:23 pm 


GONZO OF BETHLEHEM

Manny will shock the world by beating Rios on a split decision in a fight he’s not favourite. Those types of knockouts makes a shot fighter. But Manny will prevail over this difficult opponent, but he better stay clear of Marquez. Provodnikov will soon be the king of boxing after he demolishes alvarado, takes out Marquez and get ducked by Mayweather. Yes Gonzo knows it best. Believe in the truest and purest of analyzers.

Posted July 18, 2013 10:14 pm 


Nathan

@ Squared Circle…. Spot on… Pac was caught with a big shot and went down for the count. That’s boxing.
@ Prince you’re an idiot, he has been in some wars Morales and Marques, he has dominated and destroyed some very very good fighters, Diaz, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito, Golden Boy, Hatton. He was robbed against Bradley, was busting up Marquez 4 before being caught ( this does happen )
Those who call him a hyped up whatever still watched his fights and were entertained by his barnstorming aggression.
Pack will TKO Rios, Rios will get busted up and the ref or corner will call the fight. PAC desperatly wants this win and wants it in convincing fashion.

Posted July 18, 2013 10:06 pm 


PEEJ

I really don’t think he was on his way to his best performance. He looked good in those 2 rounds. Just like he looked good in other rounds vs Marquez but for one he can’t keep Marquez down and 2 Marquez always makes that adjustment. That is one thing Pac can’t do is make an adjustment.

Posted July 18, 2013 9:44 pm 


Exiled Yank

Manny looked to be putting on his best performance against JMM that night. He looked great, but JMM caught him and it was lights out. I am curious if MP has and lingering effects from the concussion.

Posted July 18, 2013 9:26 pm 


Joel-MTL

“Is the Pacquiao vs. Mayweather Jr. fight still as lucrative and sought after as it was a few years back? Like it or not, believe it or not, the answer is yes.”

this is an absolutely ludicrous statement. It would not have half the hype it would have had it been made the first half of 2010.

Posted July 18, 2013 9:25 pm 


birdhead

Manny is NOT a “has been” he is a “never was!” LOL

Posted July 18, 2013 8:55 pm 


forreal

…sure you can still win fights…just as Lance Armstrong can win more Tour de’ France!!

Posted July 18, 2013 8:22 pm 


Tomato Can

Pacquiao won’t be fighting any GBP fighters, and Mayweather won’t be fighting any Arum fighters, period.

Posted July 18, 2013 8:12 pm 


TARK

This pundit says…., “If Pacquiao keeps winning, Mayweather Jr. will make that fight happen after his contract with Showtime is concluded.”

After his contract with Showtime is concluded, Floyd will be 38 or 39..

How about May 5, 2014… If Pac beats Rios and May beats Canelo???

Get it done sooner rather than later… In case Pac or Floyd lose a fight… Don’t get any more chicken fat on this stupid fight… JUST DO IT!!!

Posted July 18, 2013 8:09 pm 


Big Al

sad. just sad… he’s trying to convince himself more than us.

Posted July 18, 2013 8:04 pm 


Tomato Can

Pac may have a lot of ring rust come November, he’s not use to taking a year between fights.

Posted July 18, 2013 7:47 pm 


Tomato Can

I agree with Pacquiao. He can still win fights and now he’s interested in drug testing too. No more worries about weakness before the fight. That’s the way to go…

Posted July 18, 2013 7:29 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

PacMan got caught with a big shot he didn’t see and got KO’d. This is boxing and it happens. It doesn’t mean that his career is over, however, I do believe he has less than five remaining fights before permanent retirement.

This battle with Rios should give us real good idea of exactly how much PacMan has left in the tank — and whether or not his head and heart are still in the game. Maybe his head and heart are already more into politics, as a sitting congressman in the Philippines??? We’ll see soon enough!

Posted July 18, 2013 7:23 pm 


PEEJ

50 cent the cry baby who got butt hurt. And he is a lowsy promoter. Na I’ll pass in that. I lay blame on Arum for running an Pac for letting Arum call all his shots

Posted July 18, 2013 6:49 pm 


Maracho

Yes and he shall rise up like an eagle to remotivate the masses.

Posted July 18, 2013 6:46 pm 


moonshineman

Floyd Mayweather starts shaking when he hears the word Pacquiao. Ask his friend 50 Cent.

Posted July 18, 2013 6:20 pm 


Alex

Thank you Pacman for all the great fights you have given us, lose or win I am still a big fan of yours

Posted July 18, 2013 5:24 pm 


PEEJ

Broner is acting nothing like Floyd. He is acting worse than Floyd. Terrible.

Posted July 18, 2013 5:16 pm 


BUSTAJAY

Damn Broner is acting like Floyd. I like Floyd but how can he talk smack when he never faced PAC in the ring?

WTF

Posted July 18, 2013 4:51 pm 


PEEJ

He kept saying he had to KO him because he felt he couldn’t get a fair shake on the score cards. Marquez clearly beat him in the 3rd fight and got shafted. He also felt he won the first 2 fights. I myself think Pac won the first 2. But Pac clearly lost the 3rd fight and got KOd in the 4th.

Posted July 18, 2013 4:00 pm 


matthews

He has been timing pac for the past 36 rounds. Guess he finally got it right.

Posted July 18, 2013 3:58 pm 


BoxingSmarts24

People keep saying Marquez was on PED’S to beat Pac that is crazy! That was a good timed shot which Pac jumped into. Pac should worry and have his full focus be on Rios after a knock out like that.

Posted July 18, 2013 3:55 pm 


Hecdog

Floyd Mayweather sure talks big now that the legendary Manny Pacquiao lost due to the infamous Ped Punch Marquez, Nacho and the Ped Master, Angel hereida came up with. Just as he sucker punched Ortiz, Floyd kicks another man while he’s down, but never had the courage to face him. Being the humble, honest peaceful man that he is, Manny Pacquiao is letting everyone know that he’s not done. If Floyd Mayweather loses to Canelo it will be because age caught up with him or he purposely wanted to lose for the fear of fighting the man that has been chasing him for years (Manny Pacquiao) Trust me, Floyd Mayweather will not agree to fight Manny Pacquiao ever. Mayweather has woken up a sleeping giant that is tired of hearing him run his mouth from a distance. Floyd is an has always been jealous and envious of what Manny Pacquiao has and what Floyd mayweather will never attain. Respect, love, adoration and the 8 division titles that sets him apart from every boxer that has ever lived. For Floyd, it’s more about wanting to be a classy human being like Manny Pacquiao is. He hates all the love and all the various areas Manny is involved in. Manny doesn’t have to try and be liked, respected or loved. He’s an attraction to people for the right reasons. On the other hand, Floyd came up with his own personality that haunts him wherever he goes. He’s the guy that is a true villain, and his life and character inside and outside the ring show it. He is all wrong while Manny Pacquiao is all right. Floyd should not dare to fight the legendary Manny Pacquiao ever because for one night inside the squared circle, Manny Pacquiao will turn back the hands oftime and do what many people think is impossible. Manny Pacquaio will carry on his shoulders the entire world when he destroys and knocks out Floyd Mayweather. Trust me on this, great fighters do the impossible, while the greatest fighter ever can do miracles.

Posted July 18, 2013 3:49 pm 


Jay rock

I feel bad for Manny he let that jerk Arum take millions away from him

Posted July 18, 2013 3:44 pm 


matthews

And took JMM how many times and whatever else to get that KO. All JMM kept talking about leading up to the fight was how he had to KO pac something he was unable to do in 3 previous fights. JMM wouldn’t even fight Kahn at 140 when he was on top.

Posted July 18, 2013 3:43 pm 


Me

I’m a Floyd fan big Floyd fan but he can’t say nothing caus he’s yet to face pacman and until he does only Marquez can talk smack !, yes Floyd demolished Marquez but styles make fights

Posted July 18, 2013 3:26 pm 


matthews

Floyd requested special testing for a reason and it didn’t have s$#t to do with saving boxing. He saw a threat and told the public he is not gonna end up like Ali.

Posted July 18, 2013 3:24 pm 


PEEJ

People keep saying Pac was on the verge of being KOd. He couldn’t keep him down in the first 2 fights so what makes you think he would of kept him down this fight? He knocked him down 3 times in one round thenfirst time but couldn’t keep him down. So stop with this he was on his way to knocking him out

Posted July 18, 2013 3:03 pm 


prince

@wannabe2nd2nunn, I think you are talking about yourself. Pac was knocked down in one of the earlier rounds! Marquez got tagged a bit but was not getting beaten up as you imply. Watch the fight again!

Posted July 18, 2013 2:54 pm 


Second2nunn

@ Prince – you must be a liar, blind or crazy. I felt bad for Marquez cos I knew he would never quit. He was on the verge of being ko’d and he had taken a BEATING.

Posted July 18, 2013 2:42 pm 


prince

zjerr, I am not sure which fight you were watching, but I remember Pac getting knocked down in one of the rounds and then eventually being knocked out. I did not see Marquez getting beat up there.

Posted July 18, 2013 2:36 pm 


prince

@pain, no he cant. It would have been a very interesting fight in 2009 or 2010 but even then he would have lost as floyd is too smart, too fast and simply too good. If Marque can handle Pac, would do you think Floyd would do?

Posted July 18, 2013 2:34 pm 


Pain

“Has-been” Pac can beat and KO Floyd. Damn right Floyd is all talk and hype.

Pac would’ve surely mopped the floor with his head and bust him up 3-4 years ago. Past his prime, he would still Floyd alot of trouble.

This is the truth Floydiots. That is why your idol won’t take the fight.

Posted July 18, 2013 2:27 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

Fine. Win this fight with Rios, and then retire to enjoy life with your family. Manny, you have nothing else to prove to anybody.

Posted July 18, 2013 2:21 pm 


Zjerr

I would still like to see the fight and I think Pacquiao has a very good chance of beating Floyd. Don’t forget people Pacquiao had really started to bust up Marquez before he got KO.

Posted July 18, 2013 2:20 pm 


PEEJ

He’s gonna have to prove it after coming off 2 losses

Posted July 18, 2013 2:09 pm 


prince

no pac, you never were anything but a hyped up catchweight chump!

Posted July 18, 2013 1:47 pm 


FEARS

I badly wanted to see Floyd school Pac, but after all the back and forth non-action, I said to Hell with it and truly lost interest. I still have no interest in that fight and they both deserve to miss out on the 50+ millions that they would’ve made if they just would’ve fought.

Posted July 18, 2013 1:47 pm 


TJ

MANNY PACQUIAO HAS DONE A LOT TO KEEP BOXING at the top of the pile and the casual fan interested, but he must look at himself, his health and his family BEFORE any of teh fans out there and only box on if he truly wishes.

I have written many times before NONE of us fans will help to pay his medical bills, or change his diapers, or help him get out of bed in the mornings if he carries on too long and ends up with pugilistic dementia, parkinsons or some other boxing-related ailment.

Pac is a father and husband foremost, before he is a boxer and owes it to his family to quit with his health and wealth intact, no matter what us fans thinks. He’s done his bit for boxing and quite honestly he doesn’t need to carry on….

I know the nature of his loss will drive him to continue, but IMHO he really needs to wind down and tell BOB ARUM to find some other mug to leach off!

Hopefully he’ll listen to his body and if he performs badly vs RIOS I hope he quits boxing before boxing quits him!

Posted July 18, 2013 1:38 pm 



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