and I am in love with himPosted July 22, 2013 3:23 pm
lol im not Tark !!! He is a confident man who don’t need such stupid games.Posted July 22, 2013 1:30 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Tark, posting under a no-name is not only obvious, it’s unbecoming for a so called self proclaimed expert. We’re hip to your lead-up to fights, giving both sides a chance in separate posts in different threads to cover yourself, then afterwards you claim you knew the outcome all along. You constantly make statements that are superlative in nature, yet have zero foundation. Where is the proof of those large wagers you claimed so vehemently wailed out of your corksucker?Posted July 22, 2013 11:50 am
No…you know nothing. You refuse to believe that a lot of the ESB people are interested in Tark’s opinion.Posted July 22, 2013 3:14 am
It’s Me, Ernie
I do know better, that’s why I made the statement idiot…Posted July 21, 2013 10:19 pm
MARCIANO WOULD BURY ALL OF TODAYS HEAVYWEIGHTS WITH ONE HANDPosted July 21, 2013 2:16 pm
Im not Tark. He would never do that, you should know better.Posted July 21, 2013 1:03 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Anonymous-Posting in anonymity to make it look like others give a crap about you Tard is pretty weak at best…Posted July 21, 2013 12:51 pm
Ernie is still obsessed with Tark…
Tark I’m afraid he’s secretly in love with you…Posted July 20, 2013 7:20 pm
Ernie Enema slurper… GFYPosted July 20, 2013 7:10 pm
ТАRK , do уou tink Pulеv is thе boxеr who cаn bеаt Wlаdimir Klitschko….Posted July 20, 2013 4:53 pm
THE KLITSCHKOS ARE BOTH A PAIR OF WANKERSPosted July 20, 2013 3:11 pm
America is still doing well in Professional Boxing… There are still remote hot spots of boxer development like Philly and Vegas… But the rest of the world has caught up and passed the US by like we’re standing still.
Businessmen in other countries are catching on to the entertainment value and sheer money professional boxing can generate. They are the ones pushing government institutions and investors to seed amateur boxing programs. They see what Mayweather has done promoting his fights all over the world. They’re not sitting on their hands. “Lets get some boxers going over here.” I’ll bet China has some major World Boxing Champions in 20 years. They started really pushing about 8 years ago.Posted July 20, 2013 1:21 pm
Chris Byrd DID beat a prime David Tua… Byrd couldn’t hit Wladimir with an effective punch, and he was a 6’2″ X 212 master boxer.
Byrd had no shot with the heavyweights so he did was master boxer Fast Eddie Chambers did — he went cruiserweight..
David Haye is one of the few 210-pounders to be a serious threat at heavyweight.. Haye is twice as strong as Ali was… Haye punches 3 X as hard… Haye boxes much better defensively… Haye puts punches together in more devastating fashion… Haye is one HELL of a lot smarter than Ali in a technical and strategic sense… and Haye trains 3 X as hard as Ali trained… Haye smashes Ali all day long.
Ali could easily make cruiserweight because he weighed 201 for his title defense vs Cooper and 203 for his title defense vs Mildenberger.Posted July 20, 2013 1:06 pm
Note how Assyrian God when comparing the opponets of Lews and Klitschko here are the opponents he lists for Klitschko ” Charr, Wach, Chisora, Chambers, Purrity, Brewster, Thompson, Johnson, Austin and Pianetta” wow, whadda way to fabricate things. Note the ommision of guys like Haye, Chagaev, Ibragomov, Byrd. All of those wouls be AT LEAST even money to beat the likes of chubby tua, shot Tyson, chinless grant. etc. Just another hater.
Yeah Tark 175+ was your heavy back then and they often used for padding until the Cruisers came along. The world population was much less and pro boxing wasn’t known in the eastern Bloc half of the world either. So the USA did well in pro boxing in those decades.Posted July 20, 2013 12:47 pm
Wlad would beat Ali, that’s for sure. Ali was very fast, but a great boxer ? No.
I never understood the big hype about Ali, sorry.Posted July 20, 2013 12:45 pm
One could say the same about LL’s opposition too. Tyson and Holyfield we’re pretty well used by the time they took on LL. He got KO’d twice while avenging one and given a zombie McCall as a gift to square it with.Posted July 20, 2013 12:38 pm
Wladimir’s ” pond ” happens to be ; the WHOLE world . What was Ali’s ? Or
When Ali was champ there were no big powerful heavyweights… Ali got his ass kicked by 197-pound Leon Stnks (who had 0nly 6 wins) when he was younger than Wladimir.. Wladimir has a better winning ratio and KO ratio without fighting “heavyweights” under 200 pounds such as Ali fought: Moore, Cooper, Mildenberger, Spinks, Jones, Bob Foster, Patterson, Quarry, etc.
A huge slice of the world had no set up for professional boxing in the ’60′s and 70′s… The world had one-half the population, and there was no regimen to develope heavyweights in Boxing like there is today.
That’s why you had all these tiny heavyweights who couldn’t fight getting title shots at Ali and Frazier in the 60′s and 70′s… Those little peckers wouldn’t be heard from today.Posted July 20, 2013 12:34 pm
Vlad’s been able to hold the title all these years against all these guys and a decade is a meaningful amount of time. More heavyweights now than ever before too.Posted July 20, 2013 12:27 pm
Ernie…being a big fish in a little pond does not a great make…you mean like Ali ?Posted July 20, 2013 11:34 am
It’s Me, Ernie
Ten years with NO notable names whatsoever. Being a big fish in a little pond does not a great make…Posted July 20, 2013 11:23 am
Wladimir has been unbeatable for 10 years… That’s a lot of adversity for other heavyweights to overcome.
A heavy shot from David Haye, in the 12th round, knocked a spray of sweat into the 15th row of seats. Three (3) shots from Sam Peter put Wladimir on the canvas in their first fight. The later instance was a ton of adversity while Emmanuel Steward was still overhauling Wladimir’s defensive skills, footwork, and his clinching ability — in the first few years of their relationship.Posted July 20, 2013 10:58 am
It’s Me, Ernie
The Known-I stated “adversity”. You seem to read as well as you write…Posted July 20, 2013 9:58 am
the voice of reason
TJ – you got it spot on – Ike Ibeabuchi was all the things mentioned in this article, and more. He was without doubt an awesome fighter and absolutely would have been world champion had he stayed out of trouble. Him vs Lewis would have been a major war but i would take him to beat lewis, or anyone else. What a waste the man was.Posted July 20, 2013 4:10 am
Ernie, you say Wlad always folded when faced with competition. Can you give examples? Like the first Brester fight Wlad was dominsting, or Purrity or what? Obviouldy not the first Peter fight cause Wlad won that. And how are these losses any different from the losses suffered by Lewis? Wlad would have knocked Lewis spark out.Posted July 20, 2013 4:02 am
ONLY TWO (2) OF THE STRENGTHS YOU LISTED ARE ACCURATE.
“Boxing brain and the recuperative powers of Muhammad Ali” … Ali Foolishly hid behind his gloves and suffered too much punishment… He washed out by the time he was K Bros’ age.
“Chin of George Chuvalo” …. Chuvalo was easily stopped by George Foreman and Joe Frazier
“Physique of Ken Norton” … Very skinny legs… Ken couldn’t move—got knocked out a lot.
“Left jab of Larry Holmes” … I’ll concede that one… Even a broken watch is right sometime.
“Physical strength of George Foreman” … Not strong enough to run over little Jimmy Young.
“Punching power of Earnie Shavers” … Easily overpowered by Quarry, Stander, and Cobb.
“Hand speed of Floyd Patterson” … Sonny Liston seemed to punch faster … and Sonny was slow.
“Foot movement of Muhammad Ali” … David Haye displayed strategic foot movement vs Dereck Chisora… Turtle slow Joe Frazier trapped Ali on the ropes dozens of times. Ali’s footwork had no rhyme or reason.
“The body punching of Joe Frazier” … George Foreman punched Joe in the body better.
“Fitness, stamina and conditioning of Evander Holyfield” … Lacking in Moorer I and Bowe III.
“Ferocity of Mike Tyson” … Buster Douglas didn’t buy into it… Ditto w/ Evander and Lewis.
“The meanness of Sonny Liston” … Marty Marshall got him laughing… Then broke his jaw.
“The sheer toughness of Rocky Marciano” … Light Heavyweight Archie Moore floored him.
“The activity level of Muhammad Ali” … Lubbers, Dunn, Blinn, Spinks, Coopman, Evangelista etc.
“Klitschko may be great, but not great enough to defeat this guy” … Prime Vitali would kill him.
“The best assets the real life contenders of today possess:” How about ALL heavyweights of today?
“Haye: hand speed” … How about foot speed, boxing skill, and firepower? The whole package.
“Fury: size, physical strength” … Tyson punched himself in the face — couldn’t score a KO.
“Pulev: size, physical strength, chin” … How about Pulev’s jab? … Pretty fearsome.
Best chance of beating Wladimir: Pulev … OK, so you got 2 right.Posted July 19, 2013 10:57 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Who said a word about Welliver?Posted July 19, 2013 6:09 pm
Speaking of “very weak competition Ernie, how’s Welliver doing these days?Posted July 19, 2013 5:12 pm
I see Ernie’s operation failed, his brain is not fixed.Posted July 19, 2013 3:14 pm
I’ve not seen pulev fight live yet I am hoping one of these so called contenders will give him a shootPosted July 19, 2013 3:06 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
The heart and determination of Rocky Marciano would be enough. Remember the “great” Wladdie Klit always folded when he faced adversity. He was badass though when dominating cruisers and very weak competition…Posted July 19, 2013 2:35 pm
the perfect heavyweight should fight the most deserving heavyweight, pulev, sometime soon.Posted July 19, 2013 2:08 pm
I BELIEVE WE DONE MESSED UP ON BUILDING THE PERFECT HEAVYWEIGHT.
A few years ago we had a boxer by the name of THE PRESIDENT called IKE IBEABEAUCHI (sorry about the spelling of his name – i’m trying to remember it)…
This was a reasonably big, muscular guy who could fight hard for 12 rounds and threw decent combinations, seemingly took a good shot and had one of the really good fights back then with a rampant DAVID TUA…
I don’t want to go into his personal circumstances that prevented him from progressing in his boxing career, but what do people think of him and the unrealised potential of guys like him Tony Ayala Jnr and to some extents HARRY SIMON (who hasd started a comeback in his 40′s)! who let out of the ring issues destroy their boxing careers.
I liked what I saw in THE PRESIDENT and believe if matched correctly he could have gone all the way!!!!
It would be interesting to see how he would fair against today’s mediocre bunch!!!!Posted July 19, 2013 1:50 pm
If Frank had a better engine and more patience I believe he would have beaten Lennox that night, but even on a bad night Lennox knew, if he shut his eyes, bit down on his gumshield and dreamed of England he could land one on Bruno’s chin!
LENNOX = DECENT CHAMPION but has serious delusions of grandeur and his own importance. Heck, he talks about himself in the third person!!!!!Posted July 19, 2013 1:43 pm
WHAT ABOUT WHEN LENNOX FOUGHT FRANK BRUNO in Cardiff….
Bruno out jabbed, out worked, out muscled Lennox who was forced into swinging for the hills.
Like a wrestler LEWIS actually BRUNO look like a world-beater those first 4/5 rounds…
Bruno was the architect of his own downfall, rushing in when he thought he tagged Lennox who for the only time in the fight managed to time Frank and landed an almighty left hook which wet about the usual pattern of Frank short-circuiting and self-destructing…
That night LENNOX performed badly, no jab, swinging wildly, no footwork, his defence was porous and he took some good digs…
If Frank had a better engine and more patience I believe he would have beaten Lennox that night, but even on a bad night Lennox knew if he shut his eyes, bit down on his gumshield and dreamed of Englan he could land one on Bruno’s chin!
LENNOX = DECENT CHAMPION nut has serious delusions of grandeur and his won importance. Heck, he talks about himself in the third person!!!!!Posted July 19, 2013 1:41 pm
WHY IS PULEV NEVER mentioned by anyone????
I’m waiting for him to get the chance to bash someone’s head in!!!!Posted July 19, 2013 1:30 pm
You better eliminate the “activity level of Muhammad Ali” from the recipe. Unless of course you intend to have the greatest percentage of time spent clowning and not fighting.Posted July 19, 2013 1:29 pm
The most you’ll see is that a fighter may try to prove himself by fighting out of his comfort zone but when its shown to be troublesome, they’ll “try” to revert back to their comfort zone. I say “try” because sometimes its to late to revert back because they’ve been hurt to the head and/or body to the point their not able to respond the same as when they were fresh.Posted July 19, 2013 12:26 pm
Mercer is a lot bigger than Tua in height and reach.
Mercer forced Lennox into a fight by taking the pace away from Lennox. And you do that by taking away the opponents weapons.
They started out boxing, remember. That’s what Lennox wants to do. You, as the opponent, need to take that away from him and force him out of his comfort zone. Don’t let him get into a rhythm.
Mercer had the ability to take Lennox’s punch. So he was willing to risk getting on the inside and destroying the body with impactful punches that started to wear on Lennox’s stamina. And that’s how you get Lewis to stand his ground more and at a certain point, those hands start to drop, you want to clinch, and you start having to dig deep to fight it out because you can no longer move away and or stay at a certain distance and box.
The first thing you want to do is to know how to JAB and use Timing with it. That’s what made Tyson so different from other fighters that were known more of the brawler/slugger types. Tyson in the 80′s, when properly trained, knew how to box. He was taught a proper jab. He was taught how to land jabs on much bigger men with a greater reach.
Fighters as well as the Fans like to say after the fact that the fighter just wanted to prove themselves by fighting in a different format but most of the time its just an excuse.
The most you’ll see is that a fighter may try to prove himself by fighting out of his comfort zone but when its shown to bePosted July 19, 2013 12:21 pm
It’s not their fault any more than it was Joe Louis or Larry Holmes fault, but the level of opposition the K Bros have faced has been a little on the easy side. Lewis had it tougher; the likes of Mavrovic, Tua, Mercer, PEAK versions of Briggs, Rahman, Botha, Grant and McCall, Holyfield, Tyson, Ruddock, Bruno, Tucker, Mason, Golota, Morrison, Jackson, Weaver etc were of a ”generally” higher calibre than old and shot versions of Briggs and Rahman, and fighters like Charr, Wach, Chisora, Chambers, Purrity, Brewster, Thompson, Johnson, Austin and Pianetta.Posted July 19, 2013 12:19 pm
Lewis chose to brawl with Mercer to prove his toughness, he could probably have outboxed him easily from range like he did David Tua, a similar fighter to Mercer. @Fears, McCall got lucky in the first fight, Lewis though raw, was handing him a beating, got careless, got caught flush, got up, got somewhat contraversially stopped by the ref. As for the second fight, McCall just broke down due to mental illness and the fact he was being outboxed, he would never have beaten Lewis again.
What a non-article.Posted July 19, 2013 12:08 pm
I agree that when someone is Popular, King of the Mountain, that it has inspired those brave youths to go into a boxing gym and fight their way through the pain and grind to get to the top and knock off the King.
As far as marketing the Klitschkos, HBO tried to with Wlad. It’s not like he was never on HBO. EPIX shows the Kiltschkos now.
I don’t know how much the Klitschkos charge to show their fights on television but if its to high, there would be fewer buyers. If they wanted, they could cut their prices and have their fights shown on ESPN.
Marketing someone takes a lot of money. And you need high ratings that draws in the finances to support it. The Klitschkos have that in other parts of the World, namely, Germany.
American Fighters, American Athletes, aren’t always popular…even when you try to market them.
The Klitschkos are Great Role Models though as far as their rise and where they stand today in what they do. At least the perception is good.
Larry Holmes ripped on Lennox’s Jab. He said that Lennox came to him one day asking to teach him his Jab and Larry responded by challenging Lennox to a fight.
Lennox pawed with the Jab to much. It’s just that the majority of fighters don’t know how to Jab with a Jabber…time the punch…get around the Jab and so on.
Other than that, Lennox was a good fighter but he wasn’t perfect.
He could dig deep if pushed to “fight” like we saw in Mercer who dragged him to the limits.Posted July 19, 2013 11:49 am
Lennox was a coward with no chin! He always bragged about his jab, but his jab sucked. It wasn’t a “Take this” jab, but more of a “ooh get away from me” jab. He was soooo scared of McCall that even when McCall started crying and turned his back, Lennox was still too scared to attack! The real reason McCall broke down, was because he knew he could KO Lennox again, but he was forced to throw the fight that he knew he could win, so he just broke down and started crying.Posted July 19, 2013 11:41 am
Well at least Slater didn’t call this imaginary fighter by his nick name – whatever that nick name may be – as he often does in his articles for dramatic effect. One note – Wilder looks like he has brutal raw power because he has yet to fight anyone that remotely has a chin.Posted July 19, 2013 11:37 am
Lennox had a good chin and only got rocked because he got lazy,assumed his opponents could not hurt him but they connected with clean shots to the jaw.Wlad can also be hit,but it is a dangerous task to open themselves up for his crushing blows.Vitali is just a real tough hard hitting brute who takes seemingly the best shot in the division,losing by cuts or self inflicted injuries.Haye would be worn down by vitali and most likely stopped.mitchel is not the one to be a champ because of his weak chin.pavetkin is a complete quick handed heavy,but is open for big right hands and he has never been hit by steelhammer.The three champs are very good and one seems beatable and the others are testing father time.In the future you may see many new champs in three or four major factions,maybe five.But for now we want Vitali to make a decision on when where and who he fights again.Posted July 19, 2013 10:47 am
I think, brainwise the Kbros are miles ahead of all the others. Together with their great skills (maybe not everywhere the best) they would beat every other fighter. I’ver seen a lot of fighters crashlanding mentalwise before the fight with a Klitschko. Brain is definitely missing in the list of tghis article. Not only boxing brain, I mean the whole game. Trashtalking only leads to swollen toes. I’ve the impression, the Kbros can use even insults to their advantage now.Posted July 19, 2013 10:05 am
A lot of Lennox, the quick legs and stamina of Vladimir, the will and heart of Vitali and Rocky Marciano… The mouth of Ali!Posted July 19, 2013 10:04 am
Lennox didn’t have chin. But the rest is yes, he was the greatest of all. He had size and power. He had bigger than Klit set of skills, he was tough and smart. Wlad has pretty good defence, good hand speed and power. Klit is not mentally tough enough. Vitaly is mediocre boxer with a good chin and good legs. From contemporary boxers i would put Haye on a top of the list of contenders. He can defeat Vitaly and has chance against Wlad.Posted July 19, 2013 9:57 am
Pulev is not good enough.
Wlad IS the perfect Heavyweight.Posted July 19, 2013 9:37 am
ALL TODAYS HEAVYWEIGHTS ARE A JOKEPosted July 19, 2013 9:16 am
pulеv is frеаking bеаst аdаmеk, chаgаеv, jеnnings, furу аnd dimitrеnko running from this mаn:))) lеnnox lеwis sауs аftеr his gаmе with Ustinov pulеv jаb is 0ut 0f this world!Posted July 19, 2013 8:55 am
Tell It Like It is
Your article and point is moot, since this fighter is imaginary and not real. Give the Ks their due, they are the best fighters out there. Why fabricate a mutant that will never be, other than the obvious, to take away from the K superiority and dominance of the heavyweight division.Posted July 19, 2013 8:41 am
Good аrticlе but I’tink
Rather than listing all those attributes, you could just say “Lennox Lewis”Posted July 19, 2013 8:32 am