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TARK

No problem Enema-schnozzle.

Posted August 3, 2013 4:08 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

LMAO! I know you are but what am I?

Great comeback douche-nozzle……

Posted August 1, 2013 11:52 am 


TARK

That’s all you do Enema Snoot.

Posted August 1, 2013 2:32 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

You don’t have to lie to kick it…

Posted July 31, 2013 10:14 pm 


TARK

You’re a pile of pretense Enema drinker.. FO and die

Posted July 31, 2013 8:51 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

That’s what I thought. Taking a six week beginner course at the local Y doesn’t really make you a skilled martial artist. Did you send away to the comic book ad that taught you the secrets of the orient for a dollar ninety five? It sure seems like it with the limited knowledge you have demonstrated here. Five main arts? LMAO idiot. There are four main schools of Karate alone in Japan. Can you name them without your usual wiki search?…

Posted July 31, 2013 4:08 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

What type of karate?

Posted July 31, 2013 3:45 pm 


TARK

You’re a phony piece of crap, and everyone knows it Enema drinker.

I’m trained in boxing, wrestling, jujitsu, karate, and muay thai… I don’t need to know savate, wushu kempo, bando, aikido, kuntao, jeet kun do and a million other obscure fighting arts because the best stuff is all incorporated into 5 main arts.

Posted July 31, 2013 3:42 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

I wouldn’t like me either if I was you, Tard. As noted previously, when you are backed in a corner, you just begin throwing crap out there hoping it will divert the current flow of your being schooled once again. As far as your latest attempt to spread your drivel, you successively and impressively demonstrated you don’t know Martial Arts from Marshall Mathers…

Posted July 31, 2013 10:33 am 


Anonymous

Thanks Squared Circle, good to know that I’m not wrong again ! lol

Posted July 31, 2013 3:08 am 


TARK

Right Squared Circle…. But the dumbest MFer on here is Ernie Enema drinker. He’s the biggest waste of air ever visited on planet Earth.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:51 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Predictable as usual, when actual facts are laid out you get confused, frustrated and toss whatever you can out there to try to change the subject. You showed your lack of knowledge of the martial arts with your previous lame posts on the subject. You are more of a myth, opinion, folklore, gossip and rumor type of poster than reporting and sticking to the facts and factual events. You’re a strange one for sure…

Posted July 30, 2013 4:01 pm 


Anonymous

TARK like Supreme Court and Sredmond ?

First I have to apologize – I was wrong and you were right, correctamundo isn’t Sredmond.

But Supreme Court is Sredmond, it’s obvious if you take a look at his latest posts, isn’t it ? The same intellectual bla bla, the same Anti – Klitschko text, etc.

Posted July 30, 2013 4:00 pm 


TARK

LMAO… You’re an ignorant idiot who tries to sound knowledgeable and contemptuous of those you deem inferior intellects—which according to idiots like you is everyone on the planet who doesn’t agree with you.

You’re like Supreme Court and Sredmond—only a lot dumber and more clueless. Same old Ernie, different day. You’re hopeless.

Posted July 30, 2013 2:20 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

It seems like it’s another case of you thinking you are an expert on a subject you have little at best knowledge of.
“Kata” is a Japanese word used in the Japanese/Okinawan martial arts such as Shotokan, Ryobu-Kai, Judo etc.
The Chinese martial arts as Bruce Lee practiced/developed use the term “taolu” for their forms.

Second of all, Bruce had many creative interests and some lame American short lived attempt to showcase fools in stars and stripes gi’s wasn’t one of them. He was the biggest name the world over for his movies. Come to think of it, many of the gi’s they wore resembled Evil Knievel’s cute jumpsuits he wore. Take a look at your Evil Knievel lunchbox for more details. If you want to discuss martial arts, come back when you have a little more knowledge so I don’t have to break it down for you constantly…

Posted July 30, 2013 10:33 am 


TARK

Pushups and practiced kata moves do not a full contact fighter make.

And it’s not a paradox you dope. It’s a comparison of hype artists. Lee was almost as good as Evel Knievel at scaming the gullible.

Posted July 30, 2013 4:31 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Yeah and his incredible push up feats and his blinding speed was all done with mirrors.

Evil Knievel? What a poor attempt at a paradox. Do you really believe the crap you type? Really?…

Posted July 30, 2013 12:51 am 


TARK

You’re pathetic… Lee’s stunts like the so-called “one-inch” punch were promotional in nature.. Media hype that was all planned out to wow the gullible among the public.. Lee was a salesman selling his image and movies.. He was not unlike Evel Knievel.. Knievel was far from the best motorcycle stuntman – but he was by far the greatest hype artist of his day. I would say Bruce Lee was in 2nd place.

The “Snake River Canyon Jump” was classic. The whole world was watching when Knievel climbed into a cheap rocket with wheels nailed to it pointed at the sky.. That was supposed to be his “motorcycle.” The rocket took off for about 6 feet and fizzled.. I LMAO as Knievel said it was the greatest triumph of his life and he would never ever risk his life like that again … or ever try to do the “Snake River Canyon Motorcycle Jump” again.

Posted July 30, 2013 12:42 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

and btw, just because you have fists of fury in the shower doesn’t translate to any formal martial arts training…

Posted July 29, 2013 11:13 pm 


TARK

All your stupid hogwash about martial arts styles you know nothing about changes nothing about Urquidez’s efforts to get full contact martial arts off the ground — or his close relationships with the guys who actually did the 1st full contact shows and tournaments…

Lee was an actor who made fictional films of himself beating people up… Urquidez was an early pioneer in full contact martial arts.

Posted July 29, 2013 9:12 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Wow, more silly thoughts from not only a self proclaimed boxing expert, but now a martial arts expert also. The comments on Lee not wanting to fight Benny the Jet are just more hot air. Being a dozen years older and the biggest name on the planet at the time Benny was just a kid from the valley, there was no point. Benny was twenty years old when Lee died…

Posted July 29, 2013 9:11 am 


TARK

Bruce Lee did NOT have his share of competitive fights… Benny Urquidez had HIS share of competitive fights and Lee wanted to part of him — or any other top level professional fighter.

Because I’ve never heard of any fight he ever had on this level… His professional wins, losses, etc. are not recorded, and there is no record of him ever even sparring with Urquidez, Lewis, or any of the other martial artists who challenged him.

Posted July 28, 2013 11:59 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Wrong! The very best MMA fighters in the world are in the UFC and are from the Americas (U.S.A., Brazil and Canada). In fact, every single one of the current UFC Champions is from one of those three countries.

Seven out of the nine MMA World Champions are from Team USA! That’s what’s known as kickin’ ass and global domination! One Brazilian (Aldo) and one Canadian (St. Pierre).

Posted July 28, 2013 11:14 pm 


T22

I dont rate UFC strictly because the best MMA fights Ive seen in the past were from the dutch. UFC is like boxing with just Bob Arum fighters, it is controlled by one promotional outfit who pick their own fighters. UFC should be every MMA fighter not just the select few.

Posted July 28, 2013 9:18 pm 


Rem

Tark i agree with you in a sense that there’s a sizable difference between the martial artist that are actors and those who fight competitively for a career. But Bruce was a serious high level martial artist with great athleticism and a wealth of talent who had his fare share of competitive fights in his life. But im sure there were dudes out there that could compete with him and beat him no shame in that.

Posted July 28, 2013 5:26 pm 


Hidalgo

I’d post the link here but for some reason my post won’t publish with that youtube link.

Posted July 28, 2013 3:35 pm 


Hidalgo

BTW, Tark, bring up youtube.com and type “gracie on bruce lee” in the search box. Then click on the video entitled, “Gracie family talks about Bruce Lee – The Father of MMA.

Posted July 28, 2013 3:34 pm 


Hidalgo

Wow, none of my last five posts have shown up. ESB! PLEASE FIX YOUR WEBSITE NOW!

Posted July 28, 2013 3:30 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Then why should anyone believe you, talker?…

Posted July 28, 2013 10:48 am 


TARK

Rem…. Benny Urquidez didn’t think much of Lee’s fighting ability… He challenged him to fight any time or even to spar…

Urquidez beat many to MMA fighters… Lee beat ZERO.

World Heavyweight Karate Champion Joe Lewis said, “Lee couldn’t beat anyone who’s a world championship level full contact guy … He’s an actor not a fighter.”

I’ll believe the guys who actually fought. Not the guy who talked.

Posted July 28, 2013 5:13 am 


Rem

Lion King what’s up bro. Na man i was so focused on getting a look at Shiming then seeing the Thurman Chaves and Berto Sotto fights i completely forgot about tonights mma card. Just saw that Lawler and Ellenberger were on the card too so i know they were good im definitely gonna catch them online later. It was easy to see why Shiming was a great Olympian but at his age it looks like he’s gonna have to learn fast in the pros. I was actually wondering who are the champs in that division it doesn’t get much exposure. And i enjoyed the Thurman Chaves fight gotta give both credit for stepping up in class . Thurman impressed me it was looking bad for him early but he did a good job with movement and boxing after the second round. Chaves looked good also i think he’ll be around for a while. Nice to see some fresh younsters at 47 oh Berto just got drugged lol.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:24 pm 


Rem

I’d rather have the tools of a mma fighter than a boxer. It’s just so easy to neutralize a great boxer who focuses so much attention on his boxing and neglects fighting in other situations outside of standing up. Its extremely vulnerable to be so 1 dimensional. That’s the beauty of mma they are very dynamic fighters.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:54 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Rem: You’re welcome and thanks for the shout out, mano. You’ve made some excellent comments on this thread as well. Did you by chance watch UFC tonight? There were some great fights in Seattle!

Now I’m watching the the Dirrell, Thurman and Berto fights on Showtime. I just love big fight nights like this!

Posted July 27, 2013 10:42 pm 


mikeyRight

This article is garbage. Toney (fat, old) in MMA, etc…blah, blah..

Boxing is under-rated in its subtleness, it is appreciated by the newer MMA guys as they now train in boxing and realise just how hard it is. It is still the harder sport by far. No lying down or grappling, spoiling or smothering, you have to stand and only use your hands for up to 12 rounds. No dirty fighting, theses rules of queensbury were developed over time to banish the least attractive aspects for the spectacle of the sport. The boxing skill when it is high is the most superior to watch.

Think of the new breed MMA guys, they just need good take down defense and wrestling and they can stay on their feet and go for the KO usually via boxing skills. The best P4P guy in MMA just got beat by …boxing moves (Silva ko by left hook)!

When you know boxing nothing compares. I watch MMA too and I like most high level stuff but if you want to watch guaranteed high quality fights, watch a decent boxing card.

I came from a Martial arts background and then boxed amateur for a while, Walk the walk before you can talk the talk..

Imagine Tyson in MMA with good takedown defense, he would destroy them as usual, same goes for any good boxers if they want to take a pay cut and shorten their careers – WHICH they wont!

Posted July 27, 2013 6:59 pm 


Rem

Hidalgo enjoyed your post Bruce was without a doubt the real deal his rep didn’t come from nowhere.

Posted July 27, 2013 6:35 pm 


Hidalgo

Here you go Tark. If you don’t know who Bob Wall is, look it up:

Interviewer: We know Bruce was an excellent screen fighter, but he could REALLY fight?

Bob Wall: “Let’s get something straight, Bruce Lee was the real deal. I know alot of people think he was only good on the screen but they are wrong. Dead wrong! Many people have already had found out the hard way just how wrong they were!”

Interviewer: How did he train to be such a competent fighter?

Bob Wall: “You have got to remember where Bruce came from. He fought constantly as a teenager in Hong Kong. He used to be in a gang, so he was quite used to fighting. I remember talking to his family when we were filming Enter the Dragon in Hong Kong, and they said Bruce would sometimes come home all bloody, and they thought he was going to die, only to find out the blood came from the guy he had just beat up! Oh, Bruce lost his share of fights too, and this is one reason he became so intent on taking up a martial art. Because if you can’t fight well, it could get you killed. One day he wondered what would happen if he was caught without his gang, and his parents took him to Yip Man, a well known Wing Chun instructor in Hong Kong. A few years later, Bruce’s parents were being contacted by the Hong Kong police so often for fighting, they said if he gets caught one more time, he’s going to jail.
This caused his parents to send him to America and start a new life here.
Moving ahead many years later, Bruce came up with the idea to spar full contact making the training as real as possible.
He fought with anyone that was willing. I’ve fought with Bruce myself a number of times, and had witnessed or had heard of many sparring sessions not just with other martial artists, but with champion Karate fighters, such as Louis Delgado, Skipper Mullins, Jim Kelly, Pat Burleson, Chuck Norris, Allen Steen and a few others. You have got to understand where these guys had come from in terms of practical self defense. While some came from the streets as Mullins and Steen had, most of these guys were used to fighting within the confines of a ring, so what Bruce was doing was a real wake up call for them.”

Interviewer: What do you mean wake up call?

Bob Wall: “Well, it’s like this…all great fighters have the same make-up in terms of intensity, commitment, will, drive and of course talent. Now, you have to remember that the type of fighting most Karate champions were used to, had rules and restrictions. It was SUPPOSED to be no contact to light contact, but people were always getting hurt, some quite badly, so they were used to contact. And even though many of these guys were really tough, I mean REALLY tough, and could take it as well as dish it out, they weren’t prepared for Bruce.
Just the look on their faces was a sight to behold when Bruce would just move in and shut them down. They were used to trading punches and kicks with other fast and powerful opponents, and scoring on them frequently. You know, more evenly matched. I know it was hard for me to deal with the frustration when sparring with Bruce, and I know it was exceptionally hard for alot of them.
Especially since Bruce never fought professionally.”

Interviewer: It must have been embarrassing for some of these guys.

Bob Wall: “Think about it this way…many of these guys were WORLD CHAMPIONS. They had faced and defeated the best in the business accross the globe. They are proud fighters. Who wouldn’t be humiliated losing to a guy who has not fought professionally, and has no rank or certification to boot? It is my opinion that losing to Bruce in some ways was more devastating than losing a title fight. At least in a title fight, you know your opponent worked his butt off to get there, and it took a great deal of time. Many years of hard work, and paying your dues. Then you fight this little 140 pound guy and he just cleans your clock.”

Interviewer: Can you really call them fights? I mean, sparring isn’t really fighting is it?

Wall: “YOU tell these guys they weren’t real fights. It was damn brutal!
In fact, most of these guys have never taken that kind of punishment before, but they sure learned the difference between what they were used to, and what they were learning from Bruce!

Interviewer: Were there any rules, or did you really try and hurt each other?

Bob Wall: “Well, we certainly didn’t want to see anyone get hurt, that’s just an inevitability sometimes. And no, the only rule was no following through with joint locks. If we did follow through, reconstructive surgery would be needed.

Interviewer So Bruce fought with grapplers too?

Bob Wall: “Bruce fought with EVERYBODY! Anyone who wanted to spar was welcome. We had people from every type of combat imaginable from punchers and kickers, to wrestlers, boxers, and everyone in between. Bruce loved to train, and we loved to train too. The list of people who worked with Bruce at one point in his life or another, reads like a who’s who in the martial arts community.
I want you to understand that it wasn’t like Bruce came in and kicked everyone’s butt, and was all high and mighty. It’s just that Bruce could pick things up very quickly, and adapt what he learned into his personal way of fighting almost immediately. Now, don’t get me wrong, Bruce was learning right along with the rest of us, and I’m sure he would be the first to admit that.
He once told me that if you ever think you’ve learned everything, your dead in the water. It just seemed to us that Bruce was alot farther down the path to self mastery than any of the other people in the martial arts at that time.

Posted July 27, 2013 5:30 pm 


Hidalgo

“Lee was an actor… When real Martial Artists challenged him he wasn’t available.” Clearly, you know nothing about Bruce Lee, Tark–as an actor or as a martial artist.

Posted July 27, 2013 5:00 pm 


RAY GORDON REID

I. V E NEVER DONE KARATE

Posted July 27, 2013 2:50 pm 


Rem

Unbias Dane it won’t be that simple boxers will also have to learn to deal with the range of kicks, they’d have to learn the techniques of the standing clinch and the Muay Thai clinch and they’d have to change their defense tendencies you have to be very careful lowering your head because of knees. Guys who are good at avoiding takedowns have deep wrestling and BJJ backrounds theyhave a wealth of experience reading the faints and explosiveness of the shoot for a takedown. Then their great at getting up from bottom position.

Posted July 27, 2013 1:19 pm 


Rem

On mma hws your dead right about the hw talent pool being thin but i think you’d agree that the 2 top dogs are pretty special. Pretty cool that a Mexican is the hw king too with the rich Mexican fight history. Its gonna take a special fighter to enter Cains and Jrs class.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:22 pm 


On MMA Heavyweights

Seriously, stop pointing to the heavyweights when discussing what MMA is and is not. The talent pool for HWs is pretty damn thin, even now people with mediocre skills/credentials get into the UFC HW division because there’s so little competition.

MMA is best represented by the divisions that gather the most athletes. Currently those are 155 lbs. and 170 lbs. divisions.
So please, for the sake of a realistic discussion, try to keep the focus on the people in those divisions. Thanks.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:39 am 


Tyrone Jones

Even the best soldiers with the best weapons learn and use MMA moves and they have for thousands of years

Posted July 27, 2013 11:07 am 


v8mach

Ok MMA fighter has a better chance of landing a “LUCKY” punch than that of a boxer landing ‘”LUCKY” Kimora/rear naked choke/Armbar etc ………….
Now ….NATHAN “CARNAGE” CORBETT…..M THAI fighter….google, him ….
yes thats right he has A1 power/technique with a win loss ratio to go with it , ive no doubt he’d wipe the floor with most MMA fighters but as he states ..”they can wrestle”….. All nasty and best left alone and would start favourite in the own disciplines ….

Posted July 27, 2013 10:15 am 


osy

Interesting how MMA fanboys claim their sport is real fighting, and Mayorga gets banned for being too rough.
Also interesting how the author points out how bad Toney was, but forgets to mention Tim Sylvia being KO’ed in seconds by a 200 year old Ray Mercer in an MMA match.

MMA is terrible to watch, because it almost always involves 2 hairy skinheads in tight underpants dry humping for 3×5 minutes. That the dry humping is apparently very effective “on the streets”, and that MMA fans loudly proclaim how most MMA fighters could dry hump the crap out of most boxers, doesn’t make it easier to watch.

Posted July 27, 2013 9:19 am 


curtley

Jon Jones has it totally wrong in a boxer vs MMA fight in boxing a boxer would utterly dominate a MMA fighter however a boxer vs MMA fighter in MMA fight would always stand a punchers chance, I mean if someone like Chuck Liddell could manage all them KO’s with punches what would a prime Tyson do. The way I see it is boxers master one art so completely whilst MMA fighters have to diversify so will never be as proficient in one skill as a boxer. As for fighting whilst MMA is closer to a ‘street fight’ it still has rules so is not fighting, I believe is far more desirable to be seen as an athlete and sportsman than a fighter anyway as any ‘hard man’ can fight but it takes skill dedication and control to be a top boxer or MMA fighter, look at Floyd and GSP they are proper athletes not cauliflower eared thugs!

Posted July 27, 2013 4:01 am 


Anonymous

Can’t believe it, but I agree with Ernie again.

The other Anonymous doesn’t know ANYTHING about MMA.

Posted July 27, 2013 3:04 am 


Rem

Lion King thank you for explaining how weak a fighter Silvia was when Mercer k.oed him. And anyone insulting you for that post would just be exposing their complete lack of knowledge of real fighting.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:36 am 


Rem

Peej no doubt i was joking with the swarn enemy comment i can rock with you bro and enjoy our debates. I certainly have my stubborn opinions too.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:30 am 


Rem

Tark Kimbo was tossing Mercer all over the octagon all fight completely imposing his will on Mercer it was a mauling Mercer didn’t belong in the octagon with a mma novice.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:28 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Tim Sylvia couldn’t even compete with the top MMA HWs of today. Back then he was able to become champion simply because he was a 6’8″ 265lbs Giant and the sport was still rapidly evolving.

But Sylvia was slow, clumsy, awkward and didn’t have explosive striking power. Sylvia would’ve been absolutely destroyed by guys like Velasquez, Dos Santos, Carwin, Overeem, Lesnar, Antonio Silva and Todd Duffey.

And Tim Silvia did get beat by Fedor Emelianenko, Andrei Arlovski, Frank Mir, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, and a few nobodies you’ve never even heard of. He even got beat by 205lbs Randy Couture who blew up to around 220lbs just to prove he could beat the weak HW Champion.

Silva was also on a downward spiral when he fought Mercer, so it really wasn’t a surprise to me when the slow, podding Giant got caught and KO’d. So talking about Mercer and Toney is probably not an accurate gauge of how well pro boxers would perform against pro MMA fighters in a big tournament.

Many are going to insult me for saying this, but the TRUTH is that highly-skilled MMA fighter will beat a highly-skilled boxer at least 9 out of 10 times. MMA is much more similar to REAL hand-to-hand combat (street fighting) than boxing. It’s that simple!

Most boxers can’t wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag, so if you can slip a couple of punches and take them down to the ground, the fight is pretty much over at that point. A boxer being ground & pounded on his back looks like a fish out of water. And a fish out of water can only flop around for so long before he runs out of air, suffocates and dies.

Put the great Floyd Mayweather in The Octagon with MMA Champions Jose Aldo or Benson Henderson. FMJ would take the most brutal beating of his entire life-time and would be thoroughly humiliated in front of millions. I 100% guarantee that would be the outcome, and wouldn’t hesitate to put my house, cars, and every cent in my various accounts on that prediction. Real talk.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:26 am 


Rem

And mma fighters practice disarming someone of a gun or a knife. They also practice deadly strikes like spiking someone onto their head or kneeing to the top of the head with the force to jam the head into the neck crippling or killing the enemy. Mma is for real man but this conversation has gone in a direction i don’t want it to.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:17 am 


PEEJ

All I know is what I seen him do in videos. But that is fine, I still mentioned Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris. But I really don’t care, I just don’ t like it. No point in me talking about it. I am stubborn like that when it comes to MMA. No I am not your sworn enemy. We just don’t agree on lots of stuff. But I don’t care that we don’t agree because you are one of the few that can keep it civil and I don’ t mind debating, arguing or whatever it is people call it with you. I rther enjoy that.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:11 am 


TARK

Rem…., Getting mauled by Slice??? That was no mauling… That happened before the Sylvia fight and was just a very old man who didn’t know MMA for crap getting choked out.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:08 am 


TARK

Lee was an actor… When real Martial Artists challenged him he wasn’t available.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:06 am 


Rem

Tark that k.o took place at some low level local mma event thats how far off the map Silvia was. And yes it took place and will almost everytime a mma fighter tries to boxer with a boxer especially a former world champ. But it holds no credibility when Mercer went on to get mauled by a mma novice in Kimbo Slice.

Posted July 27, 2013 12:04 am 


Rem

Peej your just my swarn enemy aren’t you lol. All ima tell you is you need to rethink that Lee and Chan are the real martial artist comment.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:59 pm 


TARK

Mercer was like 50 years old…

Posted July 26, 2013 11:40 pm 


TARK

Rem… It was not only supposed to happen.. It DID happen.

And Tim Sylvia was a recent UFC Heavyweight Champion who was still active… Mercer hadn’t beaten a good boxer in many years.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:39 pm 


TARK

In the street… What works in the street is there’s a lot of guns out there… About 30,000 Americans a year die from gunshot wounds.. Aaron Hernandez is a 250lb NFL all-star caliber athlete with a 40,000,000.00 dollar contract.. He wanted to settle a petty little dispute with a semi-pro friend of his who chatted up the wrong people and now Aaron will spend the rest of his life in a stinky prison.

I also know somebody who killed somebody in a street fight who’ve been locked up for 32 years — and I knew a 6’6″ X 290-pound guy who roughed people up — because he could.. He was driving home one night and was obliterated with over 200 bullets.

People who want to be tough fighters need to get with MMA and Boxing… You can beat the crap out of a lot of people and get paid for it… And they won’t hire somebody to take you out.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:37 pm 


Rem

Tark Tim Silvia wasn’t a champ at the time in fact he couldn’t even compete in ufc at that time he was long gone. How about when white belt Kimbo Slice mualed Ray Mercer . Silvia chose to box with a former worldclass champion that was suppose to happen.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:32 pm 


PEEJ

Not sure about that, Ive had a few fights and had no need for MMA technique. Really only had 1 person try and take me down by trying to tackle me but that didn’t help him to much. For I just grabbed him by his waiste while his head and shoulder where by my stomach and through him into the stop sign. Any other fight has been a stand up fight.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:22 pm 


Rem

In the street….

Posted July 26, 2013 11:18 pm 


Rem

Anonymous i doubt you’ve ever had a fight in your life which means you must have been chumped a whole lot. No one who’s ever plugged it out especially with someone who can handle themselves would say such stupid things. Everyone who’s ever knuckled up the street knows the importance of mma techniques.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:15 pm 


Anonymous

i thought ernie had surgery and a battery of tests recently and wouldn’t be back for awhile. was hoping he would die.

Posted July 26, 2013 10:31 pm 


PEEJ

I hate when folks can’t come up with there own name and have to use someone else’s. I haven’t even seen the video

Posted July 26, 2013 9:54 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

I know that dude…

Posted July 26, 2013 9:50 pm 


PEEJ

now that is hilarious!! hahaha!!

Posted July 26, 2013 9:43 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

STOP THE DEBATE THIS IS REAL MARTIAL ARTS!!

youtube.com/watch?v=fqjG2IdaVfY

Posted July 26, 2013 9:42 pm 


Luke

I read in a recent MMA article that UFC PPV buys are way down…in 2010 they had 8 PPV’s that sold more than 400k…in 2011 6 PPV’s sold more than 400k…and, in 2012 only 4 sold more than 400k. In their defense, I think they do in the range of 10 PPV’s per year.

Posted July 26, 2013 8:35 pm 


Luke

I love Jon Jones – I’m from His home town and know and like his family – Unfortunately, Jon Jones could not win a NY golden gloves novice title!! And, the boxing gods gave him that perfect Tommy Hearns body!! Very disappointing and it makes his game much more boring!! Let me see…what would the fans rather…a choke out or major league KTFO???

Posted July 26, 2013 8:29 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

style*

Posted July 26, 2013 8:28 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

The best thing to ever happen to MMA was the decline of boxing’s heavyweight division. Fight fans want excitement, not Klitschko sytle whatever it is…

Posted July 26, 2013 8:27 pm 


Luke

James Toney was an awful guy to go against an MMA wrestler in Coutour…Toney’s got bad, bad footwork. How was he supposed to avoid a takedown???

Posted July 26, 2013 8:23 pm 


TARK

Art Jimmerson??? Jimmerson lost 9 fights in a row by KO—no wonder Royce Gracie wanted to fight him.

How about boxer, Ray Mercer??? He KOed Heavyweight MMA Champion Tim Sylvia in 10 seconds flat. An old boxer beat a young MMA World Champion.

Boxing is more entertaining to watch, but I love MMA for its variety.. You have to learn boxing, wrestling and 6 other hand-to-hand combat genres.

Jon Jones is the best fighter in the world—but he’s not a very good boxer.

Jon Jones talks about 2 guys fighting in a bar? What kind of competition is in a bar? Jon Jones wouldn’t fight anyone in a bar. If he did he’d just punch the MFer in the mouth or stomach—basically a short boxing match.

Boxing is an art like gymnastics… MMA is unarmed hand-to-hand combat.

Gene Tunney.., “I’m not a fighter—I’m a boxer.” … Turns out he was right.

Posted July 26, 2013 8:12 pm 


PEEJ

Thats fine. But when I see 2 guys wrestling on the ground. I don’t see that as martial arts. We have a difference of opinion on that but that is how I see it.

Posted July 26, 2013 7:54 pm 


terror tim

What Bruce Lee did was acting. I know the stories about his street fighting but that isn’t real competition and no one really knows the full truth on those. Kimbo was supposedly a great street fighter too. There are some real talented fighters in MMA and they are increasingly getting better at their craft.

Posted July 26, 2013 7:54 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

“Its not martial arts. What Bruce Lee did was martial arts, what Jackie Chan did was martial arts, what Jet Li did was martial arts, what Chuck Norris did was martial arts. What these guys do in my opinion is a glorified street fight.”

Wow, just wow! Normally I have more respect for what your have to say, PEEJ. But that was a truly idiotic thing to say. Sorry man… just being honest and keeping it real with you.

Posted July 26, 2013 7:30 pm 


Rem

Peej Bruce Lee is actually the father of mma with jeet kun do he’s the one who did away with all the traditional ineffective stuff and only developed the stuff that worked in a all out hand to hand combat situation. Turns out that in one of his movies he did the armbar with improper technique its been innovated since then. Have you seen one of these guys in a real fight trust me it won’t look like it it does in the movies.

Posted July 26, 2013 6:45 pm 


Rem

First boxers have the gifts….

Posted July 26, 2013 6:34 pm 


PEEJ

Its not martial arts. What Bruce Lee did was martial arts, what Jackie Chan did was martial arts, what Jet Li did was martial arts, what Chuck Norris did was martial arts. What these guys do in my opinion is a glorified street fight. You do realize this started from cage fighting back in the day right? Dana White just figure out a way to package it and sell it. Which is amazing on his part. He even has a monopoly on it and his fighters can’t even catch a clue that he pockets probably over 80% of the money.

Posted July 26, 2013 6:28 pm 


Rem

Unbias Dane Boxers first have the gifts to be a boxer so their odviously are very deadly with it and it shows. I love boxing for the same reasons you do beautiful artform. Just know in mma you can’t develope 1 artform to that degree and you might not have the talent for striking to that level anyway. In Silva fights he’ll get hit showboating but his opponents don’t have proper timing or technique to throw a truly effective worldclass punch. But Guys like Silva, Aldo, Pettis, Diaz and Dos Santos do and along with their ability to grapple they are extremely dangerous fighters on a worldclass level. Watch out for Anthony “Showtime” Pettis the kid is a real life martial arts flick. The game is young and evolving better athletes are entering mma and innovating the young growing sport.

Posted July 26, 2013 6:27 pm 


jlrivera81

Simple answer to this is…”You can’t beat a man at his own game!” Period. A boxer is going to get killed fighting MMA rules most likely. MMA fighter have no chance in a boxing ring either, even against B/C level fighters. However, if I had to bet who has a better chance, I’d say a boxer is more likely to beat an MMA fighter with MMA rules then the other way around.

Posted July 26, 2013 6:22 pm 


Rem

Rocco all combat sports are dangerous its also bad to let a boxer keep getting up and taking more head trama that leads to the brain issues for so many boxers. And no the best fighters aren’t always strikers Cains dominant disipline is grappling so is p4p king Jon Jones. Silvas best weapon is his Thai clinch. GSP is also serious grappler. Boxers have GREAT standup no doubt but I’d like to see one deal with an elite kickboxing/Muay Thai fighter they’d be in deep waters. A boxer would be in deep trouble with Silva or Aldo in the cage with all their striking weapons.

Posted July 26, 2013 6:14 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Kid Azteca is definitely NOT on Beat Street.

Posted July 26, 2013 5:49 pm 


ROCCO

5 KEY NOTES

1- MMA fighters are only effedtive when they’re set. 2- IT”S SICK to allow a man to take any more punishment AFTER he’s just been put down by a punch or kick to the head. I mean c’mon – his central nervous system is disoriented! That’s the main reason I don’t like MMA. 3 – ONLY “HAS BEEN”, out of shape boxers, who are often broke get in a cage (like Toney) and that’s why they lose. 4 – The BEST MMA fighters are the best strikers and the best strikers are the best boxers. 5 – The late Richard Guerrero (best amateur boxer to come out of Chicago) used to beat up his martial arts instructors when he served in the U.S. Marines. HOW ? See #1 above. Don’t get me wrong I respect MMA fans and their freedom to like what they want. Peace.

Posted July 26, 2013 5:26 pm 


Rem

That one guy its fighting its combat with rules but still combat its not like other sports. Boxing is a martial art. People dump on mma and it needs to be made clear that mma is the ultimate test of everyone martial art(s) because it pits them against each other. The mma king is truly the ultimate fighter.

Posted July 26, 2013 5:17 pm 


horst fraze

the best boxers hit a lot harder, however most of them would never be able to grapple. look what happened to toney. the fact is apples to oranges. in the future it may turn out that these sports will morph into rollerball or something else. as long as the fans keep paying, the combatants will keep performing.

Posted July 26, 2013 5:10 pm 


Rem

Peej it’s Martial arts the oldest deepest most innovated fighting systems known to man how could you say its a glorified streetfight. In mma like boxing you have the technical elite masters who make it look beautiful then you have dudes that don’t have the coordination to do that but get by on some other gifts like power toughness and heart. You have plenty of boxers like that. And not everyone in the world is born with the gifts to fight on their feet some have other gifts that are more tailored for grappling. Alls fare in love and war bro people have to use what they got.

Posted July 26, 2013 5:08 pm 


That One Guy

People who argue about which sport is better are ignorant sons of guns. Of coarse the one you think is better is the one you favor. They are two completely different sports. Its like comparing Soccer vs Hockey or Football vs Basketball. Yeah they have some similarities, but enjoy each sport for what it is, not because of who you think can win a street fight. They’re PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, not thugs trying to handle a problem.

Posted July 26, 2013 4:39 pm 


PEEJ

So basically you are just talking about street fighting. MMA is garbage to me and any MMA fight I have ever seen, and I have seen plenty it just looks like a glorified street fight. Wrestling on the ground, sitting on each other fighting for position. It is boring. I could care less if you put a boxer and an MMA fighter in a pit who would come out on top. MMA is garbage and boxing is where it is at. I consider someone scared if they just want to wrestle on the ground. If you can’t stand up and fight then there is no use fighting. If you can’t stand up and throw punches you can’t fight in my opinion. I know MMA fighters are in great shape and it does take skill to do it but that is my opinion.

Posted July 26, 2013 4:36 pm 


Junio

PEEJ:

If you were to put the best boxer and the best MMA fighter into a pit, who would you bet on?

If you were 12 years old, and I’ll say you are genetically inclined to be very good, had all the best trainers at your disposal, and had 10 years to learn either MMA or Boxing before you were thrown into a pit for you life…which would you choose: MMA or Boxing?

Posted July 26, 2013 4:03 pm 


Rem

I love boxing but this isn’t even up for debate the baddest man on the Planet is Cain Velasquez. The Klits who have kickboxing backrounds would have both their backsides handed to them one after the other in a back alley against Cain. This is no exaggeration Cain is a high level wrestler in mma and would be able to score a takedown on the first Klit without taking any damage and break a limb put him to sleep or k.o him from that position. Next Klit same formula and come out without a scratch. Well maybe a scratch or 2 and that’s it lol. No shame for the boxer their just not trained for something like that. Boxers are great athletes and with training they’d have that ability also.

Posted July 26, 2013 3:59 pm 


nicolas

If a boxer goes into the MMA ring he will most likely lose, and that should also be for a Kltischko. HOwever, if you are to be an elite fighter n any sport, it appears to me that boxing is where you want to go, as you can make more money. I have even heard many of the sparing partners for the top fighters make a pretty good amount of money. It would be interesting to see how much money per year a top ten boxer makes vs a top ten MMA fighter. On aerage, because of people like Klitschko and Mayweather, I am sure that top boxers make more, But then also, take the top 100 poiund for pound MMA fighters in the world vs the top PfP boxers, that is the question where is the money for that person who is 50 or 51st highest paid in both sports to say where is the money. I think there are some fighters in both sports who would have done well in either one of them, and some who would not. I found Caen Velazquez comments regarding when he heard that Tyson Fury was talking about fighting him and Velazquez commented, well let him come to MMA and get into line. I thought, you idiot, don’t you think that if you were to fight Fury with MMA rules in England, that you would make more money with that fight than combined from all of your previous fights? I suppose the real reason is that Dana White wouild not allow it,

Posted July 26, 2013 3:33 pm 


bolt

What do they teach in the military? Last time I checked, in every military unit on planet earth… it’s not boxing! And i love boxing but let’s not be stupid. MMA has all the techniques to kill people and kill them fast… and at the same time, to save your ass defensively from chokes, etc. Stop fooling yourselves. Boxing is super specialized. Its an agreement between two men to stand and box… just hands… nothing else… and that is not a real fight. But, with that said, that doesn’t take anything away from boxing. Its just different. MMA needs boxing. MMA requires boxing. Boxing does not need MMA.

Posted July 26, 2013 3:21 pm 


Kid Blast

Kid Azteca has the beat

Posted July 26, 2013 3:20 pm 


PEEJ

The best MMA fighter could not beat the best or even a B lever boxer in the boxing ring

Posted July 26, 2013 3:17 pm 


Informer

I love both sports. The best MMA fighter beats the best boxer because he/she has more weapons. I still enjoy watching boxing better. And let’s face it; the most entertaining MMA fights are the ones with the most effective stand-up action.

Posted July 26, 2013 2:33 pm 


PEEJ

Actually Ray Mercer won some type of title by KO in MMA

Posted July 26, 2013 1:59 pm 


Mr Gav

Fact a boxer won’t win in a mma match and a mm a fighter won’t win in a boxing match,it may happen one day someone will win both a world championship in both boxing and ufc

Posted July 26, 2013 1:32 pm 


B.L. Morgan

This was a very interesting article. There was a lot of good points made.
In fact I wrote an article about this same subject for EastsideBoxing a few years ago.
Boxing is more controlled. It’s more about a specialized skill than MMA. With Boxing the top guys skills with their hand techniques are awesome. No MMA fighter can compete with a world class Boxer under Boxing Rules.
But MMA fighters learn a wide variety of different skills. The ground fighting, the submissions, the kicking and blocking leg kicks are totally alien to Boxers.
In an MMA match, under MMA rules very few top, world class Boxers are even going to survive.
These are two different sports.
I love to watch both.
That’s about all there is to say about it.
Good article.
I enjoyed reading it.

Sincerely
B.L. Morgan
Creator of Red Simon: Vampire Punk
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Posted July 26, 2013 12:43 pm 


PEEJ

MMA iOS garbage. If you notice that the certain boxers who try to transition to MMA are boxers who can no longer be competitive in boxing. So that should tell you something there

Posted July 26, 2013 12:34 pm 


maracho

Interesting comparison of wolves vs dogs for scientist often tell us that dogs retain infantile traits of a wolf throughout their lives. However, there are big Asian mountain dogs that “supposedly” often kill wolves one on one. Plus, some wild and/or prehistoric dogs are obvious beasts. Moreover, I dont think that MMA guys are tougher than boxers but their ability to do submissions and ground games does make them more fight efficient. A better comparison of wild vs domestic is the old time fighters compared to today’s because people are definitely devolving over time.

Posted July 26, 2013 12:14 pm 


Mo-Box

You forgot todays greats who had other: Vitali Klitschko was also a 6-time kickboxing champion both in amateur and pro. His awkward boxing style is from the kickboxing techniques.

Posted July 26, 2013 12:12 pm 


Junio

Also remember, that not only do boxing gloves serve to protect your hands, they have also grown to become a reliable defensive shield as the weight/ounce of the gloves increased…which is why I am for making gloves 6oz for everyone.

How effective would a lot of these guys be without their defensive shield? And you wonder why MMA fighters have a hard to blocking

Posted July 26, 2013 12:09 pm 


Junio

I’m a bigger boxing fan than MMA fan despite growing up with a Martial Arts background.

But which is overall better to learn if you want to be a complete fighter? MMA of course. Boxing is a part of MMA. You just don’t have all day to perfect the art of boxing. You have to divide up the day with learning various forms of self-defense/offense.

Boxers, without the handwraps and gloves, are what on the street? Fighters with risks of broken hands. This is what Mike Tyson talked about as to why he prefers MMA over boxing in a street-fight. In his experience, he hurt his hand to often to the point that he became cautious to fight. An example he learned was the costly street-fight against Mitch Green.

MMA teaches you techniques to grapple, take down, choke out, break, and strikes…which interludes Kicks which is harder to break your leg than fist.

Posted July 26, 2013 12:05 pm 


boxing barlow

In fact I’d love to see chuck lidel or ken shamrock in a boxing match with James Tony.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:58 am 


boxing barlow

Mma is an expanding sport and I think boxing could learn a lot from it. Personally as a fan of both sports I still lean towards boxing as being the more entertaining of the two when the sport gets it right. All this cross over business though has some potential in terms of learning about combat sports. What I will say though is that when guys like Tony cross over into MMA it shouldn’t just be one fight when the MMA guy gets it all his own way. There should be a second fight, a boxing match. Would have been interwted to see how tony got on in a boxing match with the guy he faced.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:56 am 


Kid Azteca

The Baddest Man on the Planet is always the Boxing HW champion of the world.
And “many” fans didn’t go to cage fighting, those were WWE fans.
Boxing will always be the King of combat sports.

Posted July 26, 2013 11:54 am 



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