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It’s Me, Ernie

Nice work PEEJ…

Posted July 30, 2013 10:06 am 


PEEJ

Vitali Klitschko, who defends his World Boxing Council heavyweight title against Britain’s Danny Williams in Las Vegas on Dec 11, has admitted to having used steroids earlier in his career.

He tested positive for a banned substance in 1996 when still an amateur and was instantly thrown off the Ukrainian boxing team for the Atlanta Olympics.

Posted July 30, 2013 2:17 am 


PEEJ

Actually Vitali has come up with a positive test for steroids way back in the day

Posted July 30, 2013 2:16 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Funny, the Klitcchko Sisters have had shoulder injuries, but we all know they are the greatest and their injuries couldn’t have been caused by anything illegal. The world according to Tard is quite a strange one…

Posted July 30, 2013 12:38 am 


TARK

Supreme Court… Show me 4 fighters on the same level as Donaire, Ward, and Berto, who Conte also works with, who HAVEN’T suffered soft tissue tears and joint injuries.

Posted July 29, 2013 10:25 pm 


PEEJ

Soto has not established himself a force to be reckoned with. He has established himself as a gatekeeper. You do realize he has lost his last fight right? He has lost 5 out of his last 10 fights. That is not a force, that is what we call a gate keeper. Now if he can run off a couple more wins against good comp then he will have done that. And that means folks like Bradley, Marquez, umm maybe Maidana. But until then, he has established himself as a gate keeper.

Posted July 29, 2013 9:04 pm 


Informer

To me this was a fun night of action. These were good, crowd pleasing, competitive fights. But to assume that Berto has ever been on the the top level is outrageous. Who is the best fighter Berto beat? Collazo? He barely beat him. PLEASE do not try and egg on a Soto Karass PBF fight. Of course, Floyd will take the easy money. Neither Berto nor Karass would probably last 8 rounds against Thurman. I don’t want to see Broner Soto Karass. I think if Broner is going to talk the talk, he should be fighting guys who are much better than Soto Karass. I still think Thurman Karass is a fight that should happen, just to keep Thurman busy and learning. Maidana is a dangerous guy, but he is too easy to hit and fights one-handed, and that won’t cut it against Thurman.

Posted July 29, 2013 4:58 pm 


te tumbo

Q, just read your running commentary on Saturday’s fight-card and dude, you were Waaayyy off except for Thurman. the less than “effeminate”(?) Figueroa withstood, overcame, and punished the energized and granite-chinned Arakawa who absorbed flush-shotS that would’ve dropped any other lightweight. Soto Karass actually improved on Guerrero’s sustained beatdown of Berto, which is good since the corrupt and/or incompetent American judges were preparing to ROB him of his hard-earned win if he hadn’t taken it out of their crooked hands with his FIST. anyway, nothing about Figueroa’s fighting-profile suggested “effeminate” and Soto Karass has established himself as a force to be reckoned with at 147lbs.

Posted July 29, 2013 4:28 pm 


The German

LMAO ! And YOU wanna be intellectual with lines like “A gas chamber
Hund! Espece de chien galeux! ”

You hypocrite !

I assure you I’m not your Impostor, it’s not my style.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:56 pm 


Supreme Court

You just confirmed you have been the one trolling this thread,
Impostor!
Why are you using Supreme Court UID?
Coward!
What else do you need to annihilate the Supreme Court?
A gas chamber?
Hund!
Espece de chien galeux!

Posted July 29, 2013 2:46 pm 


Supreme Court

Who cares about a ba$tard troll?

Tais- toi fils de pute!
Espece de nazi encule!

Posted July 29, 2013 12:01 pm 


Exiled Yank

Tark – great point about AB’s stance being a problem. It makes sense seeing as his family is big into mixed martial arts. They have complete different fight theories: boxing and MMA.

Posted July 29, 2013 8:25 am 


Exiled Yank

I recorded the Berto Karass fight and will watch it tonight. It sounds like the end is near for AB.

Posted July 29, 2013 8:20 am 


PEEJ

Oh yeah. Berto is only a gate keeper at best. Problem is he gets hit way to much. Not too mention he swells up too. He is gonna have issues with life after boxing if he keeps fighting. He’ll never win a title again. So there is no point in fighting. His high paydays should be over now

Posted July 29, 2013 8:05 am 


The German

5 sure ways to make yourself look like an idiot on ESB :

1. Claim to be a german guy.
2. Claim to have a PhD in molecular Biology.
3. Claim to speak french fluently, but all you write is grammatically totally incorrect.
4. Claim to be very intellectual.
5. Using the handle SC while everyone knows, you’re really Sredumb.

Posted July 29, 2013 6:03 am 


TJ

PEEJ

I hear you…. But, it’s quite strange that all of these guys except for SOG, eat flush shots time and again without even trying to either move their heads, bob, weave, duck or parry them… They are all come forward types, but so too was IRON MIKE, but he came forward behind an aggressive defence, where he bobbed and weaved, using great speed of foot to get in close to close the range to where he could work effectively.

All of these guys have shown me poor footwork and balance, which definitely does not help and worst of all Berto’s shell defence was porous because he stood straing up, instead of moving his upper body against a guy who was so much taller and had the longer reach.

i think the worst thing i’ve seen about Berto is the fact that he fought like an OLD fighter who can see the punches to throw, but COULD NO LONGER get them off…. this then left his unprotected head open for full, flush counters from Karass who was more than willing to let him have it!

It looks like game over for him at top level.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:37 am 


Supreme Court

Tark,
Lol…
But your analysis or what ever it is, is flawed, because:
1- you did not account for the proportion of Ariza-Conte’s fighters who do not have shoulder injury;
2- the proportion of non-Conte’s fighters WITH shoulder injuries.
More importantly, which body joint are you expecting to get injured on a boxer?

(Surtout, quel articulation t’ attends-tu a voir blessee chez un boxeur?)

Posted July 29, 2013 2:36 am 


TARK

Jermain Taylor and Andre Berto have the same problem.

Both have a very badly messed up boxing stance — which leaves them with no ability to throw straight shots consistently or defend themselves worth a damn.

Posted July 29, 2013 2:17 am 


spartacus 65

Tj you are dead on about Berto. It is truly sad to see a once promising fighter look as if he is already showing signs of rapid deterioration. All due to never properly learning his craft and going iff of the theory tbat raw talent alone would suffice. Yes, the man looked BADLY disoriented at the end of the eleventh round. Peej, good point also on your part in regards to fighters such as Berto who just do not adapt to change for the better in their,style of fighting. Berto and Jermaine Taylor are prime ecamples of that. Lion King(real talk) what’s up buddy. All those programs you mentioned, I watched everyone of them! And yes brother,my favorite tough guy flick and workout motivational tool is 300.Lol. After that it’s Charkes Bronson in Hard Times and Mr.Majestyk. Hard times was a bit pre MMA in it’s theme. I love working out and the discipline that boxing,grappling and the arts gives you. Just cant beat it in my book. For me it’s simply a way of life. Peace and strength to you fellas.

Posted July 29, 2013 12:56 am 


TARK

Supreme Court…, “Your attempt to link shoulder injuries to PEDs”

I DIDN’T try to link shoulder injuries to PED’s.

I said it was interesting that Andre Berto suffered 3 joint and muscle tissue injuries in the space of his last 4 fights… Andre Ward has on the shelf with that shoulder injury for a while… Nonito Donaire complained of shoulder problems and said he would require surgery.. Eddie Chambers suffered several muscle tissue and joint failure type injuries lately.. Particularly his shoulders.. He fought one-handed vs Tomasz Adamek because of a shoulder injury and his fight with Thompson was postponed and then killed because of his injuries.

Now, the above boxers all used Victor Conte as their “nutritionist” and I wouldn’t trust Conte as far as I can throw Alexander Ustinov. However I make no implications whatever. This may all be a statistical quirk and Conte may be a reformed Knight in Shining Armor for all I know.

However … off the lack of success of the guys who have used his more recent suppliments, breathing machines, potions, and concoctions — and given his history as a jail bird for pushing PEDs — I wouldn’t touch him with a 10-foot pole.

Just like to be on the safe side.

Posted July 28, 2013 11:19 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

spartacus 65: Yeah mano… those were the days. I used to watch Sanford and Son, Chico and the Man, Three’s company, The Jeffersons, Welcome Back Kotter, All in the Family, The Adams Family, Happy Days, CHiPs, The Six Million Dollar Man, Charlie’s Angels, Cheech & Chong movies… LOL. But you’re right… there was nothing better than watching FREE championship boxing on regular newtork TV.

You’re probably a little older than me, bro, because most of those shows were a little before my time. However, I ended up seeing most of the reruns in the very late 70′s and early 80s.

My all-time favorite TV show of that era was Kung Fu, starring David Carradine. I used to watch it every day after school. That is what first sparked my interest in the martial arts and Bruce Lee movies. And as I mentioned before, later spent spent time studying Wing Chun under a direct descendent of Yip Man (Lee’s original Sifu). Also spent time dabbling in various other “arts” and MMA. But that was after H.S. wrestling, college football and a little amateur boxing.

(I can just see you yelling “This is Sparta!!!” — right before you front-kick that tall Persian fool into the spiked pit of death…LOL).

Posted July 28, 2013 6:59 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“At the time of the stoppage, the judges had it 105-103 for Berto, 114-114 even and 105-103 for Soto Karass.” – This is a joke. Soto-Karass was on his way to a clearcut UD until luckily he KOed the convicted steroids cheater Berto, who can GTFO. So can those judges who need to be investigated. What’s their names? Don’t let them hide as anonymous “judges.”

Posted July 28, 2013 6:48 pm 


PEEJ

TJ you can’t really teach older fighters stuff that they should of learned when they first started boxing. Khan is gonna be who he is. Roach tried to teach him not to do all the unnecessary moment that he always does and not to trade yet that’s all he does. Angulo is a come forward fighter and that won’t change. He looked the same under Berstein but with Hunter he had better stamina and also he looked to be on the way to a KO win against Lara. And well for Berto he has been the same fighter ever since he started. He really hasn’t shown much improvement and when he got dropped by the former 135lb fighter when he was dropped for the first time in the pros I knew he wouldn’t be much. Hunter is a good trainer. He is just getting fighters already made. I bet if he gets an amateur he would be able to take him somewhere

Posted July 28, 2013 6:18 pm 


TJ

SPARTACUS 65… THANKS, however, it’s so sad to see someone like BERTO who had some talents getting bashed from pillar to post.

I could see at the end of the 11th that Berto was wobbled and barely made it back to his corner, which was missed by the commentators!

WIRGIL HUNTER’S stock is falling faster than FREDDIE ROACH’S as none of his fighters in KHAN, ANGULO or BERTO show any signs of head movement and are taking shots flush to the head!

Berto was worse, as he was constantly out of range to the taller man, with total disregard for footwork to close the distance, he lunged in like a novice and was a KO loser waiting to happen….

He looked so banged up and disorientated that I feel he may never climb the mountain again…

Posted July 28, 2013 5:15 pm 


Supreme Court

Webmaster, the Supreme Court at 1:45 is an impostor..
Please block his ip address ad eternam!

The last video of Broner on a toilet bowl convinced me he is not going to be great…
Not because of the plot of the video, but its subtext…
Broner was under the influence in that footage…
I am not savy in boxing, but a can sure as hell do a literature review…
And I am yet to read that a childish and “consuming” -fighter became great…..

( Je n’ai pas encore lu dans la literature qu’un boxeur pueril et consommant des substances etait devenu grand)

From now on, the Supreme Court will translate the last sentence of his post in French….as a signature of authenticity)

Posted July 28, 2013 4:46 pm 


spartacus 65

Lion King what’s up campeon. Wow man you just brought back some memories wjen you said you did imitations of Roger/Raj and rerun from What’s Happening. Brother those were some good a
Shows back then. Sanford and Son,Chico and the Man ,Threes company etc… Man those WERE the days buddy. Then of course Friday and Saturday night fights on free t.v. Larry Holmes vs Shavers, Leonard vs Benitez,etc… Yep, those were the days champ.

Posted July 28, 2013 4:13 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Supreme Court: Good to hear that someone appreciated the comedic value of my reference to “Pops” and Re-Run from What’s Happening! I actually used to do pretty damn good impression of Dwayne Nelson from that show:

“Hey, Hey, Hey!!!” “Hey…. what’s happenin’ Raj?” “What’s happenin’ Re-Run?” …LOL

Posted July 28, 2013 3:16 pm 


Bobby Cause

Virgil Hunter cares about his fighters even after Berto’s loss. Some trainers just walk away. You can see after the fight Virgil was making sure Berto was alright. You don’t see that from many trainers.

Posted July 28, 2013 2:57 pm 


Supreme Court

Sarah Palin…ahhhh….she’s my secret obsession…

When I think of her it makes me…aaaahhhh…mhhhh…ohhhh yeah….

Posted July 28, 2013 1:45 pm 


te tumbo

correction: besides, the ref must’ve also assumed that Berto was hopelessly behind and couldn’t possibly improve on his performance during the previous 11 rounds.

Posted July 28, 2013 1:33 pm 


te tumbo

if there was another lightweight even close to Arakawa in terms of grit and ring activity, Aaand lethal punching power, Figueroa might have something to worry about but that lightweight isn’t out there. at least not another one who could absorb the punishment that Arakawa did for 12 rounds just to land the occasional pot-shot every other round. Figueroa is fortunate that Arakawa didn’t carry bigger “Pop!” in his punches and also fortunate that nobody else has Arakawa’s grit and relentless single-minded aggression. there were moments when it appeared unreal.

Posted July 28, 2013 1:14 pm 


PEEJ

I don’t think Broner can last at welter. He needs to drop back to 140.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:51 pm 


gray

mex – figueroa is way to easy to hit and when he doesnt throw punches which is about half the round he stands there and les the other guy hit him. had Arakawa been able to punch he would have won that fight – got to say this is another golden boy/showtime fight where there was some dodgy scoring going on figueroa did not win every round i had him winning by about 3 rounds it was a close fight

Posted July 28, 2013 12:38 pm 


Mex

Berto is done.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:32 pm 


Mex

Omar.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:26 pm 


Mex

mar overrated??? You guys are haters…the kid had hurt hands…of he is Overhyped then WTF is Broner??

Posted July 28, 2013 12:25 pm 


KILLA

I am glad these cheaters are getting Exposed. We want no advantages in Boxing is already a dangerous sport and with this clown cheating it can be damaging to elite fighters. Margarito fck up Cotto best years by using PLASTER. I am glad Mayweather did not fight Margarito plaster hand. Fckn looser..

Posted July 28, 2013 12:03 pm 


KILLA

Berto no PEDs equals Berto no Wins. This is why Steroids and illegal substances should not be in Boxing. We can clearly see how boxers who cheat are not the same without Steroids. Evidence Lamar Peterson and Andre Berto!!

Posted July 28, 2013 11:55 am 


te tumbo

it’s a bit too bad(?). i still see Berto as a solid and dangerous welter. simply not the strongest, smartest, or grittiest out there. the book that’s developed on Berto is that he’s consistently Socked and Rocked in the early rounds, which results in him playing catch-up and providing plenty of openings for sluggers and punchers like Ortiz, Guerrero, and Soto Karass. in fact, i wouldn’t mind watching a rematch between Berto and Ortiz. IMO, they’re in the same competitive bracket and may have some unfinished business between them.

Posted July 28, 2013 11:41 am 


Supreme Court

You appreciated the boxing night…
You gave credits to fighters…
But in the era Bob Arum and HBO have hidjacked boxing, you forgot to credit the organizers of the night!
Long live Golden Boy Promotion!
Long Live Showtime.
Top rank, Bob Arum, HBO, go to hell!

Posted July 28, 2013 11:35 am 


BUSTAJAY

I see Russia ….LOL
BURTO needs some easy fights and he will bounce or shoulder roll back then

Posted July 28, 2013 11:30 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

LMAO!…

Posted July 28, 2013 11:21 am 


Supreme Court

Squared Circle…,
LoL about the pop’s genetics…

TARK:

Your attempt to link shoulder injury to PEDs is as ridiculous as Sarah Palin viewing Russia from her Backyard. It is a testimony of “empty suits”…Intellectually speaking…

Posted July 28, 2013 11:20 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

I PICKED Soto to WIN and again I am CORRECT!

Posted July 28, 2013 11:07 am 


PEEJ

Again you didn’t read my post Adrien. I said Thurman would beat Broner. Thurman would have some trouble against both Bradley and Marquez.

Posted July 28, 2013 9:51 am 


JoeKidd

Figueroa-Arakawa was a ridiculous exhibition of “boxing”. You love that, you could not possibly appreciate boxing.

Posted July 28, 2013 9:38 am 


JoeKidd

Strange night of commentary. Strange night of scoring!

Posted July 28, 2013 9:35 am 


gray

love the sport what are you on about figoura vs Nihito Arakawa was one of the fights of the year – skill wise yes it was terrible but for action was superb!!!

Posted July 28, 2013 9:11 am 


Love-the-Sport

I have mixed feelings about the card last night.

Thurman vs. Chavez was a GREAT FIGHT …. two young, highly skilled, power punching fighters up and coming and un-defeated. This was a great fight and shows a bright future for both Thurman and Chavez. I would also love to see this fight as a rematch in 3-4 years.

Figuerora vs. Arakawa was a TERRIBLE FIGHT … two idiots with no skills punching themselves stupid is not what makes boxing great. Both fighters showed heart — but so what. There was no defense, no change in strategy, no boxing intelligence, and an idiot referee allowing the fight to potentially cause the death of one of the fighters. I love boxing. I love knockouts. I love power punchers. So, I am not saying I would prefer Rigondeaux or other stylists. But these guys had no skills. This fight could have been fought in a bar. Figuerora is WAY OVERRATED.

Berto vs. Soto Karass was typical Berto fight — where Berto shows flashes of speed and power, but in the end he gets punched stupid and loses sadly. Berto should retire. It was sad.

1 great fight. 1 terrible fight. 1 sad fight. Mixed night of boxing.

Posted July 28, 2013 7:59 am 


Boxer Puncher

Let’s be realistic Karass beat a one armed Berto who was holding his own with one arm a healthy Berto beats Soto. Keith Thurman is an incomplete fighter he is not and wont be a real factor in the division at this point, he has a lot to learn.I feel sad for Berto but he needs to also tighten up his defense and I believe would have made this easier had he employed an in and out strategy with emphasis on make Soto miss and countering, he should have boxed the flat footed Karass the fight would have been much easier that going out on his shield mentality is going shorten his career and damage his body, he needs to be more of a boxer puncher.

Posted July 28, 2013 7:57 am 


spartacus 65

Ray GordonReid good morning. Chaves is a darn good fighter and you picking him is reasonable. The man is tough. As a matter of fact in my view he would have beaten BOTH Berto and Karass. Im sure we haven’t seen the last of Chaves my friend. As for Thurman, look for bigger things ahead for this evolving boxer/puncher. Peace and strength.

Posted July 28, 2013 7:37 am 


RAY GORDON REID

i had chaves

Posted July 28, 2013 7:21 am 


spartacus 65

What an impressive fight card last evening. But the fellow that impressed me the most and continues to do.so is Thurman. He always threw good body shots, alwaus showed good skill in.cutti.g iff the ring.y only issue with him and I thought his corner would have worked on sooner is his low left hand. I’ve seen it in his previous bouts but this time he got called on it by a very game fighter in Chaves. Still he passed the chin test which is a MUST in boxing or any contact sport. U can habe all the talent in the world but if you don’t have the whiskers to absorb a good shot,then as a fighter you are on borrowed time. Thurman mafe the proper adjustments and stepped up his game to another level. No doubt that low keft will be a thing of the past now. He beats the overrated Broner. Broner has poor balance and is way too flatfooted for Thurmans aggression. Broner does not impress me. Too many holes in his game. Im waiting to see him fight a LIVE body before he is to be taken seriously. Thurman just took that important step up in advancing his progress. As for Garcia vs Matthesse, Mathesse has already won the mentalbattle. That for me is a HUGE CHUNK of the battleground he has claimed. Garcia is ok and I’m sure he will do his best,but unless Mattesse just has a really off night I don’t see Garcia evading the deceptively quick Mattesse. For the entire bout. Thurman and Mattesse will be something to see. As for Berto? Take a break my friend. You need it.

Posted July 28, 2013 7:09 am 


TARK

The scores were ridiculolus… Karass landed 170 more punches and had a couple 10-8 rounds based on sheer dominance and damage. Even so, Karass was 2 points ahead on the round so he would have gotten the decision in all likelyhood. Karass was decked by a low blow.

Karass is very active but not a good boxer.. He wins primarily on toughness and activity.. However he is still a better boxer than the wide open Berto. He was hitting Berto with super slow jabs that had very little snap or movement to them.

The shoulder injury is the 3rd serious joint or muscle tissue injury Berto has suffered in the space of his last 4 fights.. With Andre Ward also suffering a few injuries in the last 2 years the injury bug is infecting Hunter’s stable … Of course both Andre’s used Victor Conte as a “nutritionist” so it doesn’t amaze me.

Posted July 28, 2013 4:39 am 


Adrian

Well I remember before Quintana fight hbo crew were saying that qui tana will be a good tests for Thurman to see how he fairs against experienced and tough ww like Quintana
And we saw how easy he stoped him and now you want to tell me broner beat them all ???thurman gets” hit” because he tries different things to open opponents ,he cuts the ring like no one when needed he can counterpunch ,take a punch and he is very fast and a ko artist and those who say he is not in a same level as broner knows nothing about boxing and are simply hbo / branwashed fans

Posted July 28, 2013 4:32 am 


Hecdog

Broner destroys all of them easily. Thurman still lacks in all areas. He’s good, but can’t beat any of the top guys. He gets hit, and has a ways to go. Soto Karass is tough as always, but he’s not going anywhere. His style vs the top guys gets him beat every time. Dirrell is a good fighter, but once again, when he meets the top guys, he gets blasted. Figuroa shouldn’t even be mentioned as a top contender. He doesn’t know how to fight, gets hit, not much power and will get destroyed by the top contenders. There shouldn’t be any hype about this kid. He’s tough, brave and good condition, but he has way too many flaws. This was a good night of C & D caliber boxing. Action packed yes, but not much skill, technique or intelligent boxing

Posted July 28, 2013 3:33 am 


Adrian

Thurman is a best ww right now period! Until someone beats him
You can prove me wrong but I promise you he beats them all !!!

Posted July 28, 2013 3:25 am 


Adrian

Peej wrote”PEEJ

Time for Berto to choose another profession. Thurman proved he is not ready for the elite. Soto is still a gate keeper fighter. If he fights an A type of fighter he loses. If he fights a really good B fighter he will lose.”

Lol and who is elite for you if not Thurman ???? Broner ??? Gtfo!!!

Posted July 28, 2013 3:20 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

What’s the situation with the WBC belt @ 147Lb? Surely if PBF’s fighting Canelo for the light-middleweight title he has to relinquish the welterweight championship. The likes of Thurman, Van Heernan & Brook could fight it out for the vacant title & provide a fair bit of entertainment while doing so!

Posted July 28, 2013 3:11 am 


Tomato Can

I think Chaves would have beaten both Karass, and Berto tonight.

Posted July 28, 2013 2:52 am 


Tomato Can

Once again, I was impressed with both Thurman and Chaves. I see why Lucas Mathysee was pick Chaves to win.

Posted July 28, 2013 2:51 am 


Q

Squared: jajajaja…. I’ve seen that crap about Broner as well, but I’ve never seen him as any new FMJ, they just simply don’t fight that much a like…. Floyd’s strengths are different…. Floyd’s skillset is just really different. Broner is more flat footed, that’s like automatically anti-Mayweather… he’s mister footwork… balance balance balance slide shift slide shift. HOWEVER, my mind wasn’t changed with his fight with Paulie, I just never thought that way, jaja… and he certainly doesn’t belong at 154. Paulie survived, that’s no big deal. Paulie is a tough guy, he finished his fight with Cotto with a broken jaw, what do people expect??? Broner didn’t terminate him, but it was an nonthreatening fight for Broner.

Posted July 28, 2013 2:36 am 


murderman

@sc – if what u say is true and i believe it is then broner is screwed! He cant beat any legit ww. Hell he really didnt beat paulie n paulie has no power! Once again thurman beats any ww not name mayweather.

Posted July 28, 2013 2:30 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Q: Your #1 statement about Thurman is very accurate. Nice analysis!

However, your #2 statement is only partially accurate because just 2-3 months ago, there were a boat load of boxing fans on ESB saying that Broner is the next FMJ and the next Great American who will dominate boxing for years and go undefeated.

I have an amazing, almost photographic, memory and all that big talk about Broner being the next Great Champion and Superstar was really going on here. There were even a handful of guys saying that Broner would beat anyone, except FMJ, from 135 to 154lbs.

Real talk.

Posted July 28, 2013 2:00 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

murderman; Thanks, mano! You know I like and respect you as a fellow DB and REAL boxing fan, but we’ll have to agree to disagree from time to time.

Broner will have to vacate his new WW title/strap in order to drop down to 140lbs and I’m not sure if his overblown ego will allow him to do that. Problem with dropping to 140lbs is he will have to fight animals like Matthysse, Garcia, Alvarado, Provo and Rios. You really think Broner can beat all those guys???

At the end of every Broner fight, he says, “Pops…comb my hair!” And “pops” is about 5’4″ and 260lbs. He’s about as round as he is tall and looks like “Re-Run Stubbs” from “What’s Happening!”

If “pops” is Broner’s real father, I have a feeling that Broner has heavy genetics that will make it nearly impossible to go back down to 135lbs — where he really needs to be if he wants to remain a Champion. Just my humble opinions.

Posted July 28, 2013 1:50 am 


PEEJ

Chavez is not the biggest puncher at 147. I’m not saying Thurman is no good. He is just not ready for the elite yet. He can win a title now but he is still a few fights away from challenging the champion in Floyd. Him and Maidana would be a good fight. I think Thurman beats Broner. He in my opinion is just not ready now. Chavez will be easy for any boxer. Guy has zero head movement and will be constantly hit by a good boxer with a good jab

Posted July 28, 2013 1:33 am 


Q

Squared: #1 Thurman proved that he can more than BANG, he’s a real boxer puncher. He can move, he’s mobile, and he can adjust and hurt you without pressing it, and that he can take shots from elite level punchers like himself. #2 whoever said Broner was the next Mayweather, wasn’t a fan of boxing. There is no next Mayweather, that guy is legendary special. The skill different and ring smarts are very very very different.

Posted July 28, 2013 1:23 am 


Q

PEEJ: What are you talking about dude? Thurman just handled as big a puncher as there is in the WW division right now. He lost 3 rounds IMO, adjusted and smashed the guy. Just because you don’t know who Chaves is doesn’t carry any weight in the grand scheme of things, because you simply aren’t informed. Thurman proved that he needs to be fighting one of the top 10 ww’s. I guess he could step down from Chaves and fight a Soto in his next bout.

Posted July 28, 2013 1:19 am 


murderman

@sc – right on once again as usual! Disagree about thurman n broner. I think broner’s people are smart enough to bring ab down to 140. He cant compete again elite ww. Like berto he is too small n not enough reach. But ab is the real deal just not at ww. Thurman can beat anyone at 147 not name mayweather!

Posted July 28, 2013 1:19 am 


RUFFKNIGHT

Chaves was the #1 contender and Thurman #4 with the wba. So Thurman should be #1 now unless they put Maidana as #1 from lat months victory. So it’s either Thurman or Maidana as Broner’s mandatory.

Posted July 28, 2013 1:18 am 


The Mad Scientist

Q -dont worry I’m not implying anything against your idol Floyd I’m just saying..geez!

Posted July 28, 2013 1:12 am 


PEEJ

Time for Berto to choose another profession. Thurman proved he is not ready for the elite. Soto is still a gate keeper fighter. If he fights an A type of fighter he loses. If he fights a really good B fighter he will lose.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:57 am 


Tomato Can

Rem, nice post…

Posted July 28, 2013 12:52 am 


Rem

Great night of fights. Thurman impressed me Chaves is a good fighter curious to see what’s next for Thurman. Soto is one hell of a fighter aslo nice to see some new blood at 47. And i just wanna tip my hat to Berto. He’s earned my respect in all his loses fighting nothing but the toughest fight for him. If he fights again i’ll tune in again his fights are always entertaining. Hope he keeps his head up he’s been through a tough stretch but has no reason to hang his head. Hes delt with it as good as i can imagine he has my utmost respect.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:50 am 


Q

Soto doesn’t deserve a match with Broner either who should fight Maidana if anyone next (Maidana the guy that stopped Soto). I think Karass would be a nice comeback fight for Guerrero that Robert will definitely win.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:43 am 


Q

showed how*

Posted July 28, 2013 12:41 am 


Q

The Mad Scientist: Guerrero beats Karass. He beat Aydin/Berto, but it wasn’t in better fashion than the ghost. Berto was stopped, but he had one arm, and it still was a draw in the 12th on official cards. Robert was up 110-116 on all cards and Berto’s eyes looked even more battered (this with two arms the entire fight). Soto won a MD against Aydin…. Robert won a ud by 112-116 twice and 111-117. Robert was also a title holder and multiple divisions, and DID take a lot out of Berto in their bout (with Berto even changing trainers). Berto is also a multiple division title holder and was in the top 3 WW’s. I’d like to see Soto beat Guerrero… it’s not going to happen.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:41 am 


Tomato Can

I really impressed by Chavez, and more impressed, that Thurman pulled it together, and won that fight.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:35 am 


Q

Adrian: I don’t agree with that, Chaves should how good he was, and Thurman should how much better he was. He adjusted and messed him up. When you see someone not giving him credit for that bout, you’ll know you’re speaking with a casual fan.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:34 am 


The Mad Scientist

I agree Soto Karass vs Broner or Guerrero should be made next..even a rematch against Maidana or anybody not named Mayweather even though he earned by beating down in better fashion the same guys the Ghost did..

Posted July 28, 2013 12:32 am 


Q

The Truth Teller: I don’t know if he’ll be going back to that weight. And I think Berto would have won down the stretch with two hands, I mean going off the official cards it was a draw at the time of the stoppage. Good night of fights. I’m ready for Thurman to get another step up fight. Against Devon Alexander, Kell Brook, Robert Guerrero or Marcos Maidana if he doesn’t fight Broner. Thurman is an elite welterweight.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:31 am 


Tomato Can

Q, agreed. The old fashioned “please give me a brain bleed” type of fight, is some fan’s cup of tea, but I hate it. LOL

Posted July 28, 2013 12:27 am 


Adrian

I said before that Thurman is the future ! He is the real deal … And as I said before this fight with chaves is not good for him because win or lose he won’t get any credit for beating him because he is unknown here in the states and could be very good wich he proved he was tonight …Thurman needs broner type fight or Garcia / mathyse next ..

Posted July 28, 2013 12:26 am 


Q

Tomato Can: Yeah, it’s the fight I actually analyzed and broke down for you guys perfectly, and for free. It was the main fight. I’d never watched Soto fight, I saw a few of his rounds with Maidana up to getting knocked out. but ok. Nice night of fights guys. Peace. Thurman/Chaves = main event (Thurman would knock out Karass and Berto)

Posted July 28, 2013 12:25 am 


Tomato Can

Prince, yes, 18 months ago he could have been juicing, but really they all could be juicing right now. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least. The chemicals are out there to help fighter’s excel at a hight level. The higher level you’re able to excel to, the more you’re going to make. The sport is probably rampant with PED use. I wouldn’t bet against it.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:25 am 


The Truth Teller

Berto is a true warrior…think if shoulder wasn’t hurt he would’ve been more competitive. Don’t know how Berto trains, or if it’s just the way he’s built but it looks like he does way too much strength training and as a result he seems to fight stiff and gets hit more than he should. That said, he really needs to consider retirement at this point in his career…either that or take a year off because he’s been in some serious wars over the last few years.

Keith Thurman is a bad ass…I like that kid and would like to see him fight some big names here soon. Figueroa has no chance against Broner if they fight….his defense is horrible, he’s slow… I don’t like Broner at all, but he will dominate and stop Figueroa should they meet down the road.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:24 am 


Q

They’re talking about Arakawa’s bout, well… he still could have bleeding on the brain, you don’t have to die in the ring. I think he’ll be ok though.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:21 am 


Tomato Can

But the telling fight of the night really was Thurman/Chavez in my opinon. What a fight. Chavez is no joke. Thurman weather’d the storm and pulled it it out. I enjoyed that fight.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:20 am 


Q

Wait, I’m confused… Chaves was counted out on his knees, and Berto was stopped standing up… why is one a ko and one a tko?

Posted July 28, 2013 12:19 am 


The Prince

Congrats to Keith Thurman for winning twice tonight.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:17 am 


Tomato Can

That, than, you get the pic… But I’m getting tired of reading all of my typo’s… LOL

Posted July 28, 2013 12:16 am 


Q

GONZO OF NAZARETH: Naaaah, Broner is on a different level dude. Berto did good with one arm, and Broner isn’t that deadstruck stiff and immobile. Broner Vs. Karass is a wash for Broner. Maidana Vs. Broner is more interesting, Maidana already knocked Soto out. All Berto had to do was win that last round to win the fight.. with one arm. Broner kills him easily.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:16 am 


The Prince

Tomato Can – You’re right, but then there’s the question of if he was juicing 18 months ago.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:15 am 


Tomato Can

Q, please explain yourself better that you did in your last post. What is the BS, about now?

Posted July 28, 2013 12:15 am 


elmatador

If it was ortiz in there he would have quit

Posted July 28, 2013 12:14 am 


elmatador

Glad soto won nice in person feel bad for berto what a promising career down the drain he has to retire his speech is sluring for real

Posted July 28, 2013 12:13 am 


Tomato Can

Really I think, Berto would have beat Karass, 18 months ago.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:13 am 


Tomato Can

Karass is pretty good, but he’s very beatable. His size advantage would be the only thing difficult for a fighter like Broner to over come. But really Broner isn’t a legit WW, like Karass is, so you never know…

Posted July 28, 2013 12:12 am 


Q

Tomato Can: BS …. stop Margarito fight Mayweather. Cotto stopped Margarito got Floyd… Mosley stopped Margarito got Mayweather.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:12 am 


The Prince

Berto is done. Two back-to-back loses that resulted be sever beatings. He was already slurring his words after the Guerrero loss. He needs to retire. He’s damaged goods now. I feel for him.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:11 am 


murderman

Berto is done! Yes of steriod abuse has appeared to have caught up with him!

Posted July 28, 2013 12:11 am 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

I think Karass could beat Broner. Make that fight and i can see it going the same way as the demolishing job he did on Berto

Posted July 28, 2013 12:10 am 


Tomato Can

NIce fights tonight…

Posted July 28, 2013 12:09 am 


Q

Karass Vs. Guerrero

Posted July 28, 2013 12:08 am 


hookoffthejab

I would say that is the end of Berto’s boxing career ……

Posted July 28, 2013 12:08 am 


Tomato Can

That’s what happen’s when you say Nah-Ahh but have no D…. Berto has great heart, but Soto, might have just go himself a shot at Mayweather, weather or not, Mayweather beats Alvarez…

Posted July 28, 2013 12:08 am 


Q

I wanna see the official cards though.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:07 am 


The Best!

Damn I feel bad for Berto……..He shows a lot of heart bu tdamn….He is close to some major brain damage….He better get away from boxing fr good.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:07 am 


Q

Daaaaaaaaaamn Berto.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:06 am 


The Prince

I knew Berto wouldn’t survive the 12th.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:06 am 


The Prince

Berto might get stopped in the 12th. If he survives however, he might snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:04 am 


The Prince

I say this fight more-so shows the limit ability of Soto Karass. But I do give credit to Berto who just got a knockdown.

Posted July 28, 2013 12:02 am 


Tomato Can

Sorry for the typo’s….

Posted July 27, 2013 11:59 pm 


Tomato Can

Q, no disrespect meant, but Berto could end up pulling this fight out, “which I cdoubt”, and I still see him as done. He’s go a bum shoulder with no D. Only novice’s and dummies would lose to him at this point.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:58 pm 


Q

Berto > Lacy being honest. lacy lost early rounds to anybody.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:56 pm 


Q

Berto would definitely be coming on strong with two hands, he’s just one handed and can’t consistently win the rounds. Jab Jab Jab dude, you can win this one handed.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:53 pm 


Tomato Can

lol, Jeff lacy was overrated by loads of fans, and also had no D. All O, and no, D has left many fighters, forgotten gladiators.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:51 pm 


Q

Tomato Can: Even more than that, he just clearly won that round for me, he’s being FORCED to learn to use a power jab and lefts and he could win enough rounds to win the fight still.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:49 pm 


hookoffthejab

OK thats better now Berto is showing some grit ….

Posted July 27, 2013 11:48 pm 


The Prince

Tomato Can – So did Jeff Lacy. But to Berto’s credit, he seems to be weathering the storm and putting up a better fight now.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:47 pm 


Q

The Real: I’m actually shocked at his lack of head movement. He’s open for straight punches from a distance, he’s open for upper cuts up close, he’s extremely stiff, and now one armed. But if Berto keeps landing those lefts, and Soto tires, he could end up winning on cards… but man, that right is useless.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:46 pm 


Tomato Can

Berto may have short comming, and may have been over rated by some, but he has huge heart, and should be commended for that ….

Posted July 27, 2013 11:45 pm 


Q

GONZO OF NAZARETH: Nah, I didn’t even gauge the bout, I haven’t seen Soto fight besides his loss to Maidana, I was basically just bsing. My real picks are flawless. I still think Berto could have hurt him late, but he literally only has one arm, but he’s finding a home for the left. Good job Berto/Lacy.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:44 pm 


The Real

he has absolutely NO head movement and he catches everything this BUM is hitting him with.
Berto should be working the body, instead he is trying to pop shot this guys head.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:42 pm 


Tomato Can

Berto is done… This is it… He goes down with the David Ried’s, of the sport. That’s too bad, if he had some D, he would have be able to do better though.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:41 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Q pay me some respect. Im still the best in the business

Posted July 27, 2013 11:40 pm 


The Prince

No head movement and don’t know when to hold. Berto was clearly hype, like Jeff Lacy. Pity.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:39 pm 


charles4boxing

Juiced so hard he prolly tore a bicep

Posted July 27, 2013 11:39 pm 


Q

This should be stopped, how sad. Khan and Berto look much worse with Hunter, haha.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:39 pm 


hookoffthejab

this fight is over ………..

Posted July 27, 2013 11:39 pm 


Q

I didn’t want to flee my presumptuous pre bell quote but this size difference is big and Berto’s shoulder is hurt… this can’t go 12. He has no chance.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:38 pm 


T

Berto will probably quit.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:38 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

I want Karass to win for his adorable wife and kids.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:37 pm 


hookoffthejab

Dman Berto is stupid ……STUPID ……………..

Posted July 27, 2013 11:37 pm 


Tomato Can

If Berto could avoid a shot he’d be okay… He just cant do it….

Posted July 27, 2013 11:36 pm 


Q

hahahaha, Paulie is going back on his word as well. Berto may get stopped. Poor Berto.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:36 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Virgin hunter sucks. Andre ward created you, your other fighters are bums

Posted July 27, 2013 11:35 pm 


The Prince

Berto is getting KO’d. It’s only a matter of time.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:35 pm 


Q

GONZO OF NAZARETH: Soto won’t be fighting Broner after his loss tonight to Berto.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:34 pm 


Q

The Real: Very true, it’s shocking. But he still should win this fight down the stretch, jaja.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:33 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Soto-Karass will KO Broner

Posted July 27, 2013 11:31 pm 


The Real

Berto has absolutely has no head movement .. WOW

Posted July 27, 2013 11:30 pm 


The Prince

Q – We’ll see… good round two for Berto, but…

Posted July 27, 2013 11:28 pm 


hookoffthejab

and get out of that distance his staying right at the end of Soto’s punches ………

Posted July 27, 2013 11:27 pm 


Q

The Prince: haha, don’t give up on him yet, that was the first round, he’s still much more talented and he’s resilient. Soto isn’t fighting so long anymore. It will shift barring Berto getting hurt again.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:26 pm 


hookoffthejab

Berto need to move to his right……..

Posted July 27, 2013 11:26 pm 


Tomato Can

If you can’t avoid the punch, saying nah ahh, isn’t going to matter, cause another will catch you, and stop you. Berto is too short, and not defensive enough to last much longer in this sport.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:25 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Berto and his trainer virgil hunter are bums. He’s not a good trainer, look what he’s done with Amir Khan no improvement whatsoever. Berto u bum Virgil u bum

Posted July 27, 2013 11:25 pm 


Q

How the mighty have fallen. I went too far. I underrated that height and reach advantage and his ability to hurt Berto. That said, we have more fight, but Berto got HURT.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:25 pm 


charles4boxing

Berto looks juiced

Posted July 27, 2013 11:24 pm 


The Prince

Goodbye, Berto. It was fun while it lasted.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:23 pm 


Q

Oh no, Soto brought his wife and kids to watch him get his face punched off. Ok. Well, I didn’t know Berto went with Virgil Hunter, smart. His offensive intelligence is poor, even though his offensive talent is top notch…. let’s see the new kinks. Soto’s best chance is obviously late… the first round or two will should if he’ll even have a chance to get there. However Berto is transitioning to a trainer with a more defensive style….. so he could go out there “holding his hands” more. Berto doesn’t look as bulky for this bout, that’s great. He has a bit more of a flat boxing form now to him, even though he’s bulky as heck still naturally, jaja. Time to get blazed Soto.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:20 pm 


Tomato Can

I just don’t know about this one. Berto has a long way to go.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:20 pm 


Tomato Can

Nice fights, thus far.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:19 pm 


charles4boxing

Karass took this fight for peanuts. Couldnt even get his family good seats

Posted July 27, 2013 11:15 pm 


The Prince

Sadly, I think this is the end of Berto’s career. If he loses this fight, he should retire. He’s taken so much damage he slurs his words now. Not a good sign.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:15 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Andre Berto is still on something, such a shame and what a fraud

Posted July 27, 2013 11:14 pm 


hookoffthejab

Ive a feeling Berto is going too smash Soto ……..Take the body the head will follow ………….

Posted July 27, 2013 11:14 pm 


JoeKidd

Arakawa won that fight.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:12 pm 


Q

The Prince: Mayweather Vs. Cotto was also a competitive lop sided fight. Competitive in lots of ways, but scoring ROUNDS…. Cotto won 3 at most. I personally wasn’t scoring that street fight, just scouting the prospect….. he has lots of work to do.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:07 pm 


Q

Berto Vs Soto …who you got?

Posted July 27, 2013 11:05 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Thurman WON by stoppage just as I CORRECTLY called!!!!! I am CORRECTAMUNDO!!!!

Posted July 27, 2013 11:02 pm 


The Prince

Case in point. Very wide scoring for a competitive fight.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:01 pm 


Q

The effeminate American fighter throws a lot, but goodness…. he gets hit waaaaaay waaaay too much, and he doesn’t look like a devastating puncher to be getting hit nearly that much.

Posted July 27, 2013 11:00 pm 


Q

Do you see how small these guys are? Mayweather started his career a division smaller, and now he’s getting crap for fighting a BIG 154er, jaja.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:58 pm 


Q

His name is Arakawa guys.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:56 pm 


Q

Bruce, or maybe you’re right. He doesn’t have the power to shave off years, maybe a few months.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:55 pm 


Bruce

Haha, OK maybe that round he did. This fight is sweet.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:55 pm 


Q

Hahaha, wow…. something one can never gauge, pure pure heart. Arakawa is giving it to this guy. Bruce, yes… he’s taking a year or two off his career.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:54 pm 


The Prince

Iwakawa is very tough. His punches are slow, but they have purpose and they’re effective. However, he’s also talking a lot of clean shots.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:53 pm 


Q

I think Arakawa is giving the kid a nice years off your career fight, but he’s not a great puncher and sometimes he’s really getting winded up on.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:52 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Thurman can BANG and would beat the snot of that hyper-arrogant Broner.
Don’t be surprised to see AB avoiding him, and a few other tops dogs at 140-147lbs, like the plague. Real talk.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:51 pm 


Bruce

I dunno if he took time off his career. I think he just made him about twice as tough. Getting through a fight like this ought to do him some good. Arakawa is made out of wood.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:50 pm 


Q

DEXTER: Yeah but Arakawa is taking some real punishment, I though it’d be over in that 9th, but… hey…. Arakawa is fighting back…. hope there isn’t an brain bleeding and such after the bout.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:48 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

But Iwacawa look super slow… Imagine this kid against a harder puncher…

Posted July 27, 2013 10:48 pm 


Q

spartacus 65: 1. If you’d had the pleasure of reading my pre fight breakdown you wouldn’t be surprised by anything, especially not Keith’s sluggish low left which was on display even before it was capitalized on by a big puncher. Not surprising at all what happened.

2. His nose COULD be broken but it’s not a fact as you’ve just stated it to be, but yes Thurman showed that he can get a nose injury and chin checked and stay up and make adjustments, without ever seeming too hurt.

3. You should start out by looking forward to Garcia Vs. Mathyssee, it’s not a gimme.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:47 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

This fight is savage. This Iwacara just took about 6 years off this kids career…

Posted July 27, 2013 10:46 pm 


Q

this should be over this 9th round for sure, in the round or in the corner, that’s it.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:42 pm 


Q

ok, nooow. he looks down Arakawa does.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:41 pm 


spartacus 65

Darn good fight and a very impressive display by Thurman. Didn’t like him leaving his left out there like he did which opened the door to eating quite a bit of unnecessary leather. Still once he mafe his adjustments by midfight his class showed. I knew Keith had grit but now we know how MUCH GRIT. The man fought with a broken nose and never lostfocus of his gameplan. The body was executed brilliantly. For somei.e who belueves in an educated and dedicated body attack ,I was quite impressed by that bullet. Will be interesting to see Thurman vs Matteysse.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:40 pm 


Q

Great job Arakawa.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:39 pm 


Bruce

Guts is right. This guy is awesome. He’s ended every round smiling so far.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:38 pm 


Q

Figueroa will be in trouble against bigger punchers as long as they have some of the guts of this Asian fighter. Fig gets hit waaaaaay too much……

Posted July 27, 2013 10:36 pm 


Bruce

This is turning into a great fight. That kind of swarming attack combined with an iron chin is a pretty mean combination.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:31 pm 


Q

Fig’s power advantage keeps showing up, but if he can’t get this guy out and the Asian fighter goes hard to the body, who knows. *Fig’s power is nice though* but we’ll see.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:23 pm 


Luke

That’s right – in the pocket – from the outside – downstairs – upstairs. Thurman, far from a one trick pony!!

Posted July 27, 2013 10:22 pm 


Q

The Asian fighter just has to go to the body over and over and this can get bad for Fig.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:21 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

I cannot believe this kid is struggling with this Iwacara slow motion punches

Posted July 27, 2013 10:20 pm 


Q

DEXTER MORGAN: I’m not so sure, it’s still early and Figueroa can really be tiring himself out badly for the end stretch. He reeeeally put it all out there these first two rounds. I don’t know what kind of pop the Asian fighter has, but… if it’s respectable (doesn’t seem too respectable right now) then Figueroa can get himself in real trouble barring Fig’s power.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:19 pm 


Q

Luke: I 100% agree. He took away the Argentine’s set up roll right hand much better going down the line with his patience, he learned he can be more patient and still hurt guys badly, and he learned that thunderous body shots will save the day in there.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:16 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

Where did they find this Iwacara slow bum… My god he is terrible… He look like he should be fighting with head gear on a cheese bus..

Posted July 27, 2013 10:14 pm 


hookoffthejab

gambate …

Posted July 27, 2013 10:11 pm 


hookoffthejab

Gamabate …nice touch Lawrence Cole ….

Posted July 27, 2013 10:10 pm 


hookoffthejab

Never heard of this Nihonjin b4 …

Posted July 27, 2013 10:08 pm 


Luke

At any rate, Thurman got in some quality and competitive rounds. This fight serves him well down the road!

Posted July 27, 2013 10:08 pm 


Q

I don’t know much about the effeminate American with Mexican parents fighter coming up Figueroa so I can’t give any type of pre fight break down, but I’ll tell you the subtle shifts to watch… maybe, I probably don’t feel like it.

Posted July 27, 2013 10:07 pm 


Luke

Q – I had it 6-3 as well – what fight were Paulie and Al scoring??!

Posted July 27, 2013 9:58 pm 


Q

Great stoppage win for Thurman. The difference that I saw from my film watching played out as I figured it would.

Posted July 27, 2013 9:57 pm 


Q

It’s over.

Posted July 27, 2013 9:53 pm 


Q

6-3 Thurman + KD (as I said before the bout, both can go to the body well)

Posted July 27, 2013 9:53 pm 


hookoffthejab

belt line ..Nice shot …………

Posted July 27, 2013 9:52 pm 


Q

close round, I’ll call it 5-3 Thurman. I could see it being a draw to this point.

Posted July 27, 2013 9:49 pm 


hookoffthejab

Thurman got hurt too the body that round ….

Posted July 27, 2013 9:48 pm 


Q

5-2 Thruman (could be closer on some cards)

Posted July 27, 2013 9:48 pm 


hookoffthejab

Chaves is a lot better than his record indicates …..

Posted July 27, 2013 9:45 pm 


Q

Thurman has more nuance and showed he can take the punch after being chin checked. I think he has a sufficient enough higher level of skill to where he could put Chaves down soon.

Posted July 27, 2013 9:41 pm 


Q

3-2 Thurman ….Thurman’s superior legs and length finally showing through in the 5th round, the reason I gave him the edge. If he can box that way but be a bit more active he can hurt Chaves late, but the guy is strong.

Posted July 27, 2013 9:37 pm 


Q

2-1 Argentine

Posted July 27, 2013 9:28 pm 


Q

Thurman felt his power and Chaves has his respect. Thurman’s lazy low left showed as I predicted and Thurman has been chin checked, he didn’t fall.. now let’s see what happens.

Posted July 27, 2013 9:21 pm 


Q

firstrowus.eu/watch/197737/1/watch-showtime—shobox:-andre-berto-vs-jesus-soto-karass.html

Posted July 27, 2013 9:15 pm 


Ummmmm

Dirrell was super robbed in the UK against Fruck. Poor guy. I didn’t like how he fought in most spots (waaaaaaaay too much movement, to to his own detriment offensively), but he didn’t lose that fight.

Posted July 27, 2013 8:45 pm 


von Pugsly

At least one of the Dirrell’s didn’t give up. Hope to see Anthony step it up now and fight a legit lower top twenty LHW guy. Grachev, Cedric Agnew or Fonfara would all be decent scraps. Chilemba from South Africa or Brahmer from Germany woudln’t be bad, either. Hell, even Cornelius White would be a step up. Time to roll the dice and see what he’s got…

Posted July 27, 2013 8:39 pm 



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