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Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Sorry, but the term GOAT will ALWAYS be reserved for one of the ATG HWs. The big men at the top of the food-chain who would permanently injure, and sometimes kill, scrawny little 150lbs pip-squeaks like Lil’ Floyd.

Posted August 4, 2013 11:54 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Sorry but beating Marquez 12 rounds to NONE while Pacquiao can’t get a decisive WIN over him is called being the GOAT

Posted August 4, 2013 10:29 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Floyd will NEVER be the GOAT — even if he goes undefeated.

Posted August 4, 2013 5:45 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Floyd is the GOAT.

Posted August 3, 2013 9:11 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“Floyd also left as a cheater. On his weight. Cheating is cheating. Floyd cheated in that fight.”-SKILLS is GREATER than cheating. Ortiz cheated and weighed 17 pounds more than Floyd but still got knocked out. Hr also cheated with a headbutt. SO someone cheating is NO EXCUSE for the LOSS unless the cheating lead to a premature stoppage. Cheating does not erase your left and your right hands. SO use them to TRUMP the Cheating like Floyd DID vs. Ortiz and Judah.

Posted August 3, 2013 9:08 pm 


PEEJ

You can’t go by What Pac said in ESPN. I saw that same interview. The same interview where when they asked about Floyd Pac had to put on glasses to answer the question. I only say that because people made a big deal about Floyd wearing glasses in the promotion with Canelo. And on top of all that Arum and Koncz run Pacs career not Pac. So we can’t go by what Pac said

Posted August 2, 2013 10:55 am 


Hidalgo

In this same interview, Correctamundo, Manny also said he’d take 45% and Floyd could have 55%, the he would drug test with no stipulations–“Floyd can have anything he wants. I just want to fight him.”

Posted August 2, 2013 9:14 am 


Hidalgo

“Floyd has never made a determined effort to fight Manny Pacquiao”-Go take a MEMORY class.” You better go take one too, Correctamundo. Yesterday I posted on another thread excerpts from an article on bleacherreport.com from September of last year in which Pacquiao was quoted as saying “He (Floyd) can have anything he wants. He can even wear my trunks if he wants to.” This was before his fight with Marquez. But I’ll leave it up to you to find that article just as you always tell everyone else to go find things you said.

Posted August 2, 2013 9:12 am 


Hidalgo

“Thats why Floyd left with the WIN while Pacquiao left with the KO LOSS.” Floyd also left as a cheater. On his weight. Cheating is cheating. Floyd cheated in that fight.

Posted August 2, 2013 9:07 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“Sometimes, playing it safe isn’t the thing to do. Being a warrior is the thing to do”-TRUE. But facing Marquez is not the time to be a warrior. Its the time to Fight SMART. Thats why Floyd left with the WIN while Pacquiao left with the KO LOSS.

Posted August 2, 2013 2:36 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“Of course, even now Floyd won’t fight the badly damaged Pacquiao”-Of course not. When was the last time Floyd faced someone who LOST 2 out of their last 3???

Posted August 2, 2013 2:30 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Floyd has never made a determined effort to fight Manny Pacquiao”-Go take a MEMORY class. Floyd made every effort to face Pacquiao during the first negotiations. He even bent and SAID that Pacquiao wouldn’t have to take the test within 2 weeks of the Fight but Pacquiao still chickened out….even after Floyd agreed to a 50-50 split and 10 million dollar overweight fee….that was SISSYFIED.

Posted August 2, 2013 2:28 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“Yeah you’re right. “-Why THANK you!!! Thats why I changed my name to CORRECTAMUNDO!

Posted August 2, 2013 2:14 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“Because Floyd fights safe.”-YES he DOES. In FACT he is the safest Fighter of ALL times….thats what having the BEST Defense in History will DO for you.

Posted August 2, 2013 2:12 am 


te tumbo

REM et. al., Fact Is Marquez was Disrespected up-and-down this entire rivalry. even after retaining the strap. Even after scoring the decisive KO win of the rivalry?! moreover, it was Marquez’s single-minded determination that provided the entire motivation and pathos of the rivalry. Marquez remained the fiercely-consummate professional throughout. even while being brushed-off by a popularity-contest winner (pft?!). as i’ve posted before, moments after Martinez KO’d Williams, i imagined Marquez doing the same to Pacquiao*. the actual “desired outcome” exceeded my imagination. as a result, Marquez owns the upper-hand over Pacquiao* and IF Manny* reeeally wants to redeem his KO loss to Marquez, it must be on Marquez’s terms. otherwise, the rivalry is OVER. Marquez is Greater. Viva Marquez!

Posted August 1, 2013 11:54 pm 


spartacus 65

Thats cool Rem, Lol. Let me say this. When you get in the ri.g with a PRIME Pacquiao, darn rivjt win or lose SOMETHING will be taken.out of you. But the man fought some really,darn good figjters while tney still had some pretty good vinegar still in their game. He beat them FAIR and square. I don’t,know about you fellas but quite frankly I wish Khan would either just put a zipper on his mouth and focus on improving his game if he is serious about competing,with these other heavy hitters comung up or just simply fade away into the sunset. I truly believe Khan has squandered his talent and potential for growth and is a punch away from being sent into boxing oblivion. I see Garcia at some point by midrounds getting starched though he may ne quite capable of putting on the boxing clinic of his life and stun Lucas. Based on hoe Judah was able to het in on him I find it doubtful.

Posted August 1, 2013 9:05 pm 


Rem

Spartacus ha ha i tried to get out but they keep pulling me back in. Anyway you asked about Garcia/Mattysse although i agree Mattysse wins by stoppage, one thing i can say for Garcia is he’s a strong kid who probably has a better chance of backing Mattysse up with his power than anyone at 140. I’ve also seen him get a little better since that miraculous ko over Kahn. But again Mattysse is no doubt the best at 140.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:34 pm 


Hidalgo

BTW, in the post fight press conference te tumbo, Marquez was sporting a bruise and swelling under is right eye and what looked like a small cut in the outer corner of it, a fat swollen upper lip that he kept licking during the press conference, a good sized mouse and bruising under his right eye. Couldn’t see more because he was wearing a baseball cap and the brim shadowed much of his upper face.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:28 pm 


Rem

Junio fair post i can’t help but to agree all im saying is he performed better after the first fight. But i do believe Floyd and his camp knew about it and tried to use it to their advantage.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:25 pm 


Hidalgo

te tumbo, there’s not a soul around that doesn’t agree that Pacquiao was hammering Marquez pretty good before he got KO’d. In fact, Pac thought he had him and that’s when he got careless and got KOd.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:20 pm 


PEEJ

Actually REM Morales was not longer the fighter he once was after the first Pac fight. That is like saying Pac fought the same Barerra that fought Morales the first 2 times. Personally I think once Morales tried to go toe to toe with Pac he actually took a couple fights out of Morales and he was no longer the same.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:20 pm 


spartacus 65

Peej, right on my friend. Rem that is a good one lol, about the outlet for animosity, hidalgo, lionking, junio DDS md others,oh yes Q you too champ shout out to all you. In the grand scheme of things BOTH these gentlemen will be richer than all of us put together and Arum even richer.Lol I say lets focus on the figjters who are the future of the sport and who DESERVE the attention because they certaiy produce some darn.good fights. Cheers, peace and strength.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:19 pm 


Rem

Spartacus what’s up bro. Yeah he was being a jerk to the people who worked for the testing organization. He had them follow him all day from the gym to his house taking up a bunch of hours out of their day waiting just to draw a little blood smh. It was an episode leading up to either the Marquez or Mosley fight i can’t remember which one.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:18 pm 


Rem

Te tumbo lol im glad you have an outlet for your animosity towards Pac i didn’t follow Pacs career that closely at that time. You may be right about all of that but it really doesn’t change the fact that Pac had better performances after the first fight with Morales so there’s credibility in him saying something was wrong with him in the first fight.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:11 pm 


spartacus 65

All these fellas who step in the ring deserve props simply because just that in and of itself takes a certain amount of resolve. Really all it takes is justONE PUNCH,ONE SHOT from even a subpar opponent to separate a man not just from his senses but in some cases from his LIFE. I for one give ALL these fellows the proper respect they deserve. On that note I would say lets take some of the emotion out of these exchanges guys and how about this, let’s talk strategies for upcoming bouts. THAT’S THE juice for me for sure. Peace and strength

Posted August 1, 2013 6:50 pm 


PEEJ

Fact is it falls on both fighters and most of the blame belongs to Arum. Look what is happening with the Marquez Bradley fight. The Floyd vs Pac fight will never happen. What Floyd recently said was just to get under people’s skin. Floyd deserves a bigger piece because he sells more. That’s how it works. The person bringing in more money gets the bigger pay check.

Posted August 1, 2013 6:49 pm 


spartacus 65

Rem, what’s up champ. That’s one I really didn’t know. Mayweather had blood drawn from himself at his house? Damn. That really is being disingenuous on their part bigtime. I would suggest now though champ to let this debate with Te Tumbo fade away simply because he seems determined to bring this down to a referendum on Pacquiaos or as he seems to enjoy saying Punkiaos short comings. That in and of itself sort of gives one an idea of what tone he is coming from. Like I said before everyone is entitled to their opinions, stillthere are times where its simply more prudent wnere discretion is the better part ofvallr. Meaning it isn’t worth it to engage in a back and forth over this. Believe me champ it isn’t worth it.

Posted August 1, 2013 6:33 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, before you counter with stale and deceptive “Marquez priced himself out of the rematch” b.s., Pacquiao* squandered a 3-KD first-round; Marquez was the reigning champion; he deserved the larger split of the purse. in 2004 HBO was paying Mayweather 2 mill for fighting Bruselles but were insisting that Marquez and Pacquiao* split 1.5 mill? IF Pacquiao* Reeeally wanted to rematch Marquez, he would’ve joined Marquez in demanding more money from HBO but Team Punkuiao* never really wanted that rematch. they wanted a certain win, which is why they targeted Morales and LOST and then waited Four (4) F’n Years before finally rematching what they assumed was an older and faded Marquez. even Donaire and Ronnie Nathanielz scored that fight for Marquez. aren’t you even the least bit mystified by these “occurences”?

Posted August 1, 2013 5:51 pm 


te tumbo

REM, how can you only be mystified by “occurences” in Pacquiao’s* loss to Morales but cite no troubling “occurences” for the bouts he won? don’t you recall that the loser Pacquiao* demanded that Morales return to 130lbs for the rematch after already moving up to 135lbs? don’t you recall Morales complaining of leg-cramps as early as the 4th round of a rematch he was otherwise winning? don’t you recall Morales’ emaciated appearance for the weigh-in before the rubbermatch? in fact, don’t you recall Pacquiao* bolting from negotiations for the red-hot and eagerly-anticipated rematch v. Marquez and confirming a bout v. Morales the very next day? the same Morales who was coming off another loss and flat-performance v. Barrera? didn’t any of these “occurences” register in your Manny-worshipping brain? why not? because you’re a Pacquiao* fanboy NOT a fight-fan and will ignore or apologize for any “occurence” that casts the light of truth on Pacquiao’s* suspect profile. you call it “hate”, i call it Documented Boxing FactS. besides, i was Right: Marquez is Greater. the rivalry is OVER. Viva Marquez!

Posted August 1, 2013 5:45 pm 


Rem

Te tumbo talking about credibility fighthype is unshamefully bias in favor of Floyd. Again due to the occurrences surrounding Pacs loss to Morales he was justified in not wanting blood drawn the day of the fight. If find it weird that there were concerns about a room being sterile for having blood drawn when on an episode of 24/7 Floyd had blood drawn in his own home sounds like bs to me. And you are in no position to question someones credibility or common sense your hate for Pac should be investigated by his political security team. I am far more objective on this topic than you. You choose to ignore Floyds changing of demands, laughable purse split offers, public smear campaigns and so forth. Just look at Floyds latest demand that Pac must sign with his promotional company in order to get a fight you probably agree with him.

Posted August 1, 2013 4:50 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah but looking at Zab as a common opponent. I think Garcia hurt Zab more than Matthysse did. Garcia had Zab hurt a couple times. Matthysse had him hurt twice I think.

Posted August 1, 2013 3:16 pm 


spartacus 65

Sorry about the wording. Lol. Instinctive reflex from my wagering days when I used to bet on fights a long time ago. I see a Mathessye win by midfight stoppage as well. Just can’t see Garcia avoiding the power surge of Lucas for an entire Twelve rounds.Especially after seeing the Zab judah /Garcia tussle.

Posted August 1, 2013 2:40 pm 


PEEJ

What you mean by takers? I got Matthysse winning by KO in the middle rounds. I think it’s gonna be a really good fight but Matthysse wins it. If it goes to the cards it will be Garcia. But I’m not expecting that

Posted August 1, 2013 2:27 pm 


spartacus 65

Okay,now that that’s out of the system, how about let’s once again move on to the next topic. Any takers on the upcoming Garcia /Matheysse bout?

Posted August 1, 2013 2:11 pm 


PEEJ

The feeling week argument before the Morales fight no longer can hold water. He is now willing to take the test with Rios with no cut off date. Morales just boxed Pac. Pac was never good against boxers and counter punchers. Which is why they don’t fight them for the exception of Morales and Marquez

Posted August 1, 2013 2:04 pm 


te tumbo

Btw, i’ve always asserted that if neither fighter requests improved testing, so be it, but if one fighter requests it and the other rejects it, that is a Huge red-flag that can’t be ignored. Pacquiao* must be hiding something. either fear of losing to Mayweather or fear of being caught using something illegal. those are the ONLY two possible explanations for Pacquiao* rejecting Random, Harmless, and MUTUALLY-Applied testing NOT culture, health, or religion, which were Pacquiao’s* first panicked excuses when challenged by Floyd.

Posted August 1, 2013 1:44 pm 


te tumbo

By Ben Thompson, Fighthype, July 7, 2011: [Mayweather] is obviously asking for the exact same type of tests that Victor Ortiz and Shane Mosley agreed too: RANDOM TESTING UP UNTIL THE WEIGH-IN . . . Michael Koncz: “Yeah, well we agreed to, in the past, random testing as long as when we get tested, he gets tested, up to 14 days. WE’RE NOT GOING TO TEST ON THE DAY OF THE FIGHT. I’m not going to sit here and tell you yes, we’ll agree to do tests that day or not, but what we’ve done in the past, we’ve agreed to give blood immediately after the fight but then the problem is THE COMMISSION TOLD US that they won’t do that because it’s not sterile in the dressing rooms. Will we give blood 5 days, 7 days before the fight? You know, that’s something I have to talk to Manny* about . . .” REM, Pacquiao* NEVER agreed to Floyd’s condition. not even for $50 million, which is exceedingly Suspect. when you continue to ignore the FACTs you only distinguish yourself as a Pacquiao* apologist and fanboy with minimal credibility. aotherwise, what was Manny* so afraid of that Guerrero, Shane, and Ortiz, were not? unfortunately, common sense is not typcial among your average Manny-worshipper.

Posted August 1, 2013 1:42 pm 


Rem

Spartacus great post but i think these two will forever be linked together. If an article is written about 1 the other will always enter the conversation. Thurman Mattysse would be a good fight but the size difference can really come into play in that fight. Thurmans a big ww so its kinda unfair to Mattysse. Speaking of Pac and Floyd both guys along with Broner should be pressured to fight Mattysse. If Mattysse can beat Garcia which as much as i like Danny i think he will, hopefully one of boxings best kept secrets will get more exposure and the public will start demanding those fighters to step in with Lucas. The guys arguably undefeated with an insane ko ratio.

Posted August 1, 2013 1:38 pm 


Rem

That Pac was willing….

Posted August 1, 2013 1:11 pm 


Rem

Junio i recently wrote a post about Pac feeling his loss to Morales was due to having blood drawn in the week of the fight he had good reason to not want to have blood drawn so close to fightnight. That was Floyds motive to have an advantage he has a history of that. And give me a break with having someone crunch #s to decide the purse split this is a 50/50 split fight with both being the biggest draws in boxing. The difference wouldn’t have more than 5%. The argument about Pac doing year round testing is a good one but i think it was Spartacus who made a good point that Pac willing to have blood drawn immediately after the fight. That was a good enough concession to prove his innocence. Pac is just that dude perfectly designed to end Floyd.

Posted August 1, 2013 1:06 pm 


spartacus 65

Goodafternoon gentlemen. All of us are pretty reasonable and smart, sincere fans. We alk have good points to bring to the table in regards to a sport we’ve enjoyed over the years. Also my sincerest thanks gentlemen for lately keeping the dialogue not only civil but also enjoyable and informative. The tone on this site has definitely improved for the better. Barring a few acidic remarks by 1 or 2 postersthis is reminding of Esb in the old days. Kudos fellas. On that note, I would like to propose the following: Lets let sleeping dogs lie in regards to the Mayweather/Pacquiao long kiss goodnight fade away. This theme has been rehashed so many,times Ive lost count. Both sides are culpable in this non event and it isn’t doi.g none of us any favors discussing it. It won’t happen .Lets not give this the attention it doesn’t deserve and instead docus on the future and the young guns who in my view are FAR more exciting. There are mant bouts out there that coukd be made besides the two soon to be retired fighters I mentioned earlier. On that note anyone care to weigh in on a potential mattessye/Thurman bout?

Posted August 1, 2013 12:59 pm 


Junio

People need to point the finger at both of them for failing to make this fight happen. Both have Big Egos. And it usually takes a big ego to get to the top.

Posted August 1, 2013 12:38 pm 


Junio

Pac did not need Floyd to do “Event testing” or “Year Round/Random” testing. He should have done it to show Floyd and the World that Floyd and those that accuse him of PEDs can Go FU** Themselves. But he didn’t.

If you say you are going to do something, you do it with or without the person who requests it of you is present or not.

But because Pac continued on without additional testing, Floyd was allowed to continually use this against Pac.

Posted August 1, 2013 12:24 pm 


Junio

Rem:

YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE DRUG TESTING PROTOCOL THAT IS SETUP BY PROFESSIONAL TESTERS TO DETER/CATCH CHEATERS. LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

I don’t know how many times I and others have to say it.

Do students tell Teachers when they can be tested?
Do they tell the Teachers that they can’t do “pop quizzes” during this time period? NO. Let them do their job.

The Money situation was not signed off on and was only on the table if Pac agreed to the other things in the contract. Nothing was agreed on by the dead-line so it ALL passed. And then you start over.

Fights happen, numbers change, negotiations change.

What you are worth today is not necessarily what you are worth tomorrow.

So again, my overall stand was this:
Pac should have agreed to the full testing and should have never brought up a cut-off date nor should Floyd have given one inch on it because it voids the point of random testing.

If Pac felt he was being told what to do then One Up Floyd by requesting Year Round, Random drug testing instead of “Event Testing.”

Finances: Richard suggested using an Independent Arbitrator who would open the books to both teams and come up with a fair offer percentage. This was offered to Bob Arum who brushed it off.

Posted August 1, 2013 12:20 pm 


Rem

Let me explain my position as a Pac fan who accuses Marquez. I’ve always agreed that Pac should do testing but Floyd first accused Pac publicly then kept pulling the carrot further away on a cutoff day for testing. When Pac compromised and agreed to no cutoff date Floyd changed his position on the moneysplit. Floyd simply doesn’t want to risk everything he tries to protect in a fight with Pac Pac has been on board with testing for a long time now. So i side with Pac when it comes to the testing issue with Floyd.

Posted August 1, 2013 12:11 pm 


Rem

Marquez face has looked worse than Pacs in all of their fights.

Posted August 1, 2013 11:56 am 


Junio

Again, as far as the drug testing, I’m all for it. If you have nothing to hide, you take it. Especially in a sport that is known to have an archaic testing system in place as well as a sport where Men beat the life out of each other.

Saying you will do something is different than doing it. And you don’t need the person asking you to do it involved in you doing it on your own.

And by the way, all those accusing JMM of using “Something,” well, you’re hypocrites because Pac was in the same position which Alex Ariza pointed out. So Stop it.

On a side note: If both fighters want to agree to use PEDs, I would be for that too. Why not. It’s all about laying it on the table and saying let’s pick our weapons.

Posted August 1, 2013 11:19 am 


Junio

What’s interesting is that the Majority of PRO Fighters and Trainers were picking Mayweather to beat Pac during the peak time of promotion (and still do). Yet the fans are divided. And there are enough that question Floyd’s own belief or is it all “just business” for the both of them?

Posted August 1, 2013 11:06 am 


te tumbo

“Pac was pummeling Marquez’s face like he was tenderizing a steak”? interesting that despite being “pummelled” by Pac*, Marquez’s face miraculously healed in time for the post-fight interviews. during which he sported a small cut on the bridge of his nose and That’s-IT. Manny* had more lumps and bumps on his face than Marquez. otherwise, Provodnikov, Alvarado, and Berto displayed a LOT more damage on their respective mugs following their losses and wins. bottomline, Manny* was winning by one-point on Arum’s approved scorecards going into the sixth in which Pacquiao* did a lot of swinging and hopping around but little to no real damage. that was done by Marquez with two seconds remaining in the round. if Pacquiao* had woken up in time for the 7th round he would’ve been behind by a point with the momentum in Marquez’s favor. in retrospect, Pacquiao* had little chance of finishing that fight on his feet. he was Dropped twice in the first 6 rounds alone and Marquez is among the most relentless executioners and finishers in boxing history. particularly with the scent of his own blood in his nose, which resulted in laser focus and precision and the #1 KO in Boxing History. all hype aside, Pacquiao* never had a chance.

Posted August 1, 2013 10:20 am 


Hidalgo

“facing Pacquiao felt like Christmas” Meanwhile, before the KO, Pac was pummeling Marquez’s face like he was tenderizing a steak.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:41 am 


Hidalgo

Sometimes, playing it safe isn’t the thing to do. Being a warrior is the thing to do.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:40 am 


Hidalgo

Of course, even now Floyd won’t fight the badly damaged Pacquiao, the Pacquiao who has lost two straight fights–some say three–unless Pac first signs with Mayweather Promotions. Yet another stipulation by the stipulation king. Of course Floyd will likely find a way to fight Pac if Rios beats him. Then Floyd will know for sure that he will have a safe fight against Manny.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:39 am 


Hidalgo

“WHY do you think Floyd didn’t go for the knockout??? ” Because Floyd fights safe.

“SO going for the knockout is the DUMBEST thing that you can DO.” Yeah you’re right. I mean what the heck. Floyd already cheated on his weight so why waste time trying to knock Marquez out? Or will you claim that cheating is a skill? See the real TRUTH is that Floyd does not have the balls to get in a real fight. He is an exhibitionist. A showman. But he has only a percentage of the courage and heart of boxers like Pacquiao, Rios, the Klitschkos, and many other contemporary boxers. Floyd is a “safe” boxer.

Floyd specializes in defense, Pacquiao specializes in offense. Only a few fighters have successfully gotten past Pacquiao’s offense–because it’s that damn great. But disregard all that because what really matters is Floyd has never made a determined effort to fight Manny Pacquiao. Floyd is the safe-fighting stipulation king. And you know as well as I do, Dorkamundo, that Floyd could NEVER knock Manny out the way Marquez did because Floyd doesn’t have that kind of grit in him. Floyd is too busy trying to be safe. And because of that, we will never see him deliver a KO like Marquez gave to Pacquiao. Never.

Posted August 1, 2013 8:35 am 


Rich

No,he never said that……

Posted August 1, 2013 6:57 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Sometimes being a warrior isn’t the thing to DO. Playing it SMART is the thing to DO. Pacquiao now says that I am CORRECT on that.

Posted August 1, 2013 6:37 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

I can’t deny that Pacquiao is a warrior. You HAVE to be when your Defense is SO porous. GOOD thing he has enough Offense to beat MOST. But his Defense is SO POOR that he could be knocked out at anytime. Because Marquez just SHATTERED his punch resistance. Either he gets BETTER on Defense or he goes down hill. Its as simple as that….Don’t be like Paul Williams and refuse to learn from your mistakes continuing to say its just a lucky punch. Lucky punches don’t hit you consistently. That’s not LUCK. That’s called SKILL… AND lack of SKILL on your part. And lack of Boxing IQ. You should have been smart enough to overrule your ignorant coach and just Box instead of trying to knock Marquez out. I even warned you before hand….WHY do you think Floyd didn’t go for the knockout??? Because Floyd has high Boxing IQ. He knows that Marquez is a pinpoint counter puncher and IF you over commit yourself you will get POPPED with accuracy. Marquez is one of the most focused and poised Boxers of all times. When you knock him down or hurt him is when he is most dangerous because that’s when most Boxers abandon their Defense and go all Offense and Marquez jumps out of the weeds and BLASTS you with EASE because you’re not even paying attention to your Defense. His biggest weapons are his timing, precision, punch variety, poise, and vision for openings between punches thrown. SO going for the knockout is the DUMBEST thing that you can DO.

Posted August 1, 2013 6:33 am 


pacmanDgreat

floyd get hard time against mosley and cotto but both of this guys got schooled by pac……and manny is warrior for giving marquez a chance 4 times..

Posted August 1, 2013 4:54 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

After trying to tag Floyd to no avail for 12 rds, facing Pacquiao felt like Christmas….and HO HO HO HO HO!!!!! What a gift it was to see Pac get knocked out!!

Posted August 1, 2013 12:13 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Never DID. Floyd already beat the 2nd BEST Fighter of this era….Juan Manuel Marquez…..he SCHOOLED Marquez SO GREAT that he passed the Pacquiao tests thereafter with EASE. Its just like when you get schooled in Calculus and then someone gives a simple arithmetic test.

Posted August 1, 2013 12:09 am 


PEEJ

Technically 3 years but your right. Means nothing now and will never happen.

Posted August 1, 2013 12:04 am 


Donavan

Mayweather vs pacman, 6 years too late. Dont mean a darn thing now.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:26 pm 


PEEJ

Canelo has been fighting pro for a bit now. Don’t really see him improving much more than he has.

Posted July 31, 2013 9:51 pm 


TARK

……, “I would particularly like to get the view of TARK, who in his posts is semmingly implying that Canelo is the best fighter who has ever lived!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Pacquiao is not fighting Canelo.. Forget it.. Dumb fight for Pac..

And Canelo isn’t the best ever – that’s ridiculous. I mean even if he beats Floyd.

When he moves up he’ll have a hard time getting past GGG who I think would pound him right now. But Canelo is 23. He’s got a long way to go. He’s getting better with every fight and is just getting on top of his defense now. He has good weapons, defensive skills, a solid stance, good movement, a nice jab … and he’s smart.

But Canelo had a very short amateur career.. He still needs to make everything better, tighter, and sharper. That will take 3 or 4 years.

Posted July 31, 2013 9:31 pm 


PEEJ

Yeah the Pac and Floyd thing I already know will be disagreed apon forever. But yes some of the new guys are pretty good. I do like Thurman. He is proving himself nicely and unlike Beryo is taking the correct way up the ladder and he will be a force in the coming years. Another couple fights and he will be ready for a title fight

Posted July 31, 2013 9:19 pm 


spartacus 65

I have to say I am excited with this new crop of fighters comi.g up in the lower weight classes. Thurman bei.g the leader of that pack in terms of producing action packed fights. There is hope for boxing yet. Perhaps as these old promoters slink away, Golden will do the right thing and give the fans their moneys worth.

Posted July 31, 2013 9:00 pm 


Rem

Peej couldn’t agree especially in boxing where the fighters give so much of themselves at all levels.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:58 pm 


spartacus 65

Peej, I will respectfully disagree with you on the pacman/Floyd soap opera but im wirh you on its time for new blood to enter the promotional arena and do whats right for the fans for a change. Give me your call ob pacman / Rios and Floyd/ Alvarez

Posted July 31, 2013 8:55 pm 


spartacus 65

The reason im not an Arum fan is simple. He is a shyster. He and King Singlehandedly did their best to ruin boxing. Arum was responsible for the sideshow act called butterbean to actually be on the undercard of Trinidad vs Delahoya main event. That fat fraud was given exposure that more serious and deserving hungry young fighters shoukd have been given. A disgrace. King for his part had the audacity to try and sabe the title for Tyson by,claiming Buster was knocked out first! He actually pushrd the Wbc to reverse the outcome of a championship fight. Boxing has been on a slow downslide since. Something has to be done to save rhe sport from itself.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:50 pm 


PEEJ

It is hard for me not to blame Arum because Bradley said the drug testing was in the contract and as soon as the contracts were signed and the first press conference rolled around, Arum said no to those drug testings and said Nevada will handle it. So like I say Arum is the common denominator when it comes to the drug testing things.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:47 pm 


PEEJ

Well the Pac vs Floyd fight will never happen. In my opinion Floyd coming out and saying join my promotional team then we can fight is just a way for Floyd to press buttons. That is all. The fight will never happen. Floyd agreed to all Pacs terms and Pac did not agree to Floyds one term so that is the end. And I believe Arum had every bit to do with that. That is why Floyd has never fought a Top Rank fighter. Arum does not want to do business with Floyd. The Cotto fight is evidence of that. Once he left the Cotto fight was made rather quickly. And it is funny back when Arum offered what 4 mil to Floyd to fight Margarito and I believe he made more money in fighting Bouldomire for the Welterweight Championship then made a big deal about that but when Floyd offered 40 mil to Pac it was shrugged off the same and was a low ball offer. So to me Arum owns most of the blame for certain fights not being made.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:45 pm 


spartacus 65

Peej, you are right my friend.100%. Leave the promoting to the pros. Not all fighters are cut out for tbat aspect of the business. Waaaay too much amateurish ego gets involved and it just squashes potential blockbuster fights. I will not and have not paid one thin dime for Pacquiaos fights because I refuse to shell out 60 bucks I can use to buy groceries or help someone out ,than to make either pacman or Mayweather richer. We as fans regardless of who we like, should not be bamboozled into giving our money away for inferior products. That goes for any big name fighter who decides to fight no hopers just to get a nice paycheck at low risk. When Pacquiao fought Mosley I coukd not believe that match was made. Lets use lur heads guys and find other ways to invest our money. Peace.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:39 pm 


spartacus 65

Though I dont care for Arum.im.leaving him out of this Herida issue. Arum.is not the boogie man.here. That issue lis square at Marquezs doorstep. Hidalgo,yes I saw first take and regardless Pacquiao called this man out on national t.v. Period. The fact that he made all the concessions that he really shouldn’t of had to have done shows me the man is serious. Period. The ball is in Mayweathers court and quite honestly this constant use of Arum as the boogie man disrupting everything is getting stale. Mayweather callsthe shots in his camp. No doubt. So by that reasoning if this man says he will acvelt ALL concessions demanded of him then Mayweather has the onus on him. Period. He IS THE MAN CORRECT, WHO RUNS THE SHOW ,so then the buck stops with.him. To respond MONTHS later by saying Pacquiao MUST leave,get this, HIS PROMOTER and become a fighter under Floyds company in order to make thus tease of a match reality, it speaks VOLUMES. Nobody would accept that ridiculous denand. He is not serious about engaging thus man and it is fairly obvious he never was serious. If Pacquiao made a insulting demand I would condemn him too. This is just about what’s right. Sorry, but im not buying this foolishness. Pacquiao s acceptance trumps ALL the past nonsense from BOTH sides. This is TODAY. NOT 31/2 years ago . Today and that is what counts. Frankly im tired of this somewhat,sissified drama coming from this soap opera between these two guys. Both are,on the way kut and its time I feel to turn the page and look at the xurrent crop of dighters who appear to be willing to meet each other and produce quality matches. Peace and strength.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:30 pm 


Rem

Hidalgo great post its so odvious Floyd knows he can’t make Pac miss all fight and doesn’t want to test his greatness. He can wear my trunks ROTF…. priceless bro.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:29 pm 


PEEJ

I think what really needs to happen is some sort of change where the promoters actually work for the fighters. Not the other way around. Not every fighter can own there own promotional company and promote themselves. Not all fighters now the business side of the business. They may think they do but they don’t.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:29 pm 


Rem

Way there is ……

Posted July 31, 2013 8:13 pm 


Rem

Peej very good point about Pac not having to make excuses i can’t deny it and I’ve also criticized them for making that statement. It’s also pretty weak that he’s made excuses after loses and even unpaclike performances. But with the testing and Rios fight since Pac has for a long time now been ok with testing up to the day of the fight and the unlikely ko against Marquez i don’t think it’s a big surprise that there’s testing the qay there is for this fight.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:12 pm 


PEEJ

I still find it funny though that with all these drug testing problems that keep coming up, the common person in it all is Arum. We are not sure if Marquez is the one saying no. I have no clue if he is or not. Only going by what I have read and it does say he is not wanting to do it. But after the contracts where signed and it stated that they where using both drug testing agencies. And in the first press conference Arum said they were not and he was gonna have Nevada do it. So it still all involves Arum and there being an issue with it. If Marquez is indeed not wanting to take the test after already agreeing then there is something funny. But Arum started this whole thing from the start. So if it keeps going thee will be no Marquez vs Bradley fight.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:08 pm 


PEEJ

And that there is the problem Hidalgo. Pac says one thing and his Team says another. And the problem is that Pac does run his team. His team runs him. So regardless of what Pac said it does not matter. It is what Koncz and Arum say and really the final say is Arum. I remember when Pac said he would agree to a certain amount of money and Arum said no we would never agree to that.

Posted July 31, 2013 7:39 pm 


Hidalgo

Lance Pugmire of the Los Angeles Times wrote “‘Win or lose, I’ll take 45%,’ Pacquiao told his publicist Friday in Mexico City.” “Floyd can have top billing, he can be introduced in the ring first or last,” Pacquiao also said in the article.

“He can wear my trunks. I don’t care. I just want to get him in the ring and make the fight.”

Posted July 31, 2013 7:19 pm 


Hidalgo

“.” Pacquiao* never agreed to Floyd’s condition. not even for $50 million, which is exceedingly Suspect. otherwise, what is Manny* so afraid of that Floyd, Guerrero, Shane, and Ortiz, are not?”

Oh, I don’t know about that Te Tumbo. In a September 22, 2012 article on bleacherreport.com, analyst Leo Reyes wrote this:

“Mayweather believed Pacquiao was taking performance enhancing drugs which gave him an added advantage over his opponents during his previous fights.

In order to come to an agreement, Pacquiao offered a 14-day drug testing window, saying he feels weak when blood is taken from his body and would need a few days to recover.

Mayweather balked at Pacquiao’s offer and after weeks and months of negotiations, Pacquiao relented and changed his offer to seven days.

Still, Mayweather continued to criticize Pacquiao for his refusal to join him in what he called an action necessary to clean the sport of boxing.

In his desire to give boxing fans the fight they have long wanted to see, Pacquiao finally decided to agree on Mayweather’s demand without pre-conditions.

During his interview Thursday on ESPN’s First Take show, Pacquiao said he sees no problem with the drug-testing issue.

“No problem,” Pacquiao said. “Whatever he wants to do.”

He said he is willing to be tested even on the night of the fight. “No problem,” he said. “Even the night of the fight. No problem.”

The other major contentious issue is the fight purse which appears to have likewise been resolved with Pacquiao’s latest statement on ESPN, saying he is now willing to face Mayweather on a 55-45 purse split in order to make the fight happen.

Pacquiao said win or lose against Marquez, he will take 45 percent of the purse if that will pave the way for the super fight to happen early next year.”

So, Koncz said one thing but Manny said another, during a live interview.

Posted July 31, 2013 7:16 pm 


PEEJ

And another note it wasn’t the fact that he didn’t want to do them. He could of simply just said no. But it was the excuses he came up with to not take them. He had the popularity and momentum in his career to just say no, who are you to demand drug test. That was exactly how I felt, I figured he has never failed a test so how can you say he is on anything. But to say you are afraid of needles, you are weakened by it, Ill do it with a cut of date, he just had excuse after excuse. Then when he so called agree Arum wanted to build an out door stadium. It was really excuse after excuse. I still maintain that he wasn’t on anything. But with all that that went on it still makes you wonder.

Posted July 31, 2013 6:54 pm 


PEEJ

REM that argument can no longer hold up since he is now using those same types of test for his fight with Rios. Also don’t you find it funny that Pac always had an excuse if he lost or if his fights where really close. The fight with Morales it was the blood test, the fights with Marquez it was a blister on his foot and then him cramping.

Posted July 31, 2013 6:51 pm 


Rem

Pac had very good reason not to want to have blood drawn close to the fight. Right after the Morales loss Pac said they lost his blood samples and drew more right before the fight and it weakened him. This is long before Pac v Floyd was ever a reality. Floyds camp knew this and tried to gain a mental edge. The testing had nothing to do with doping. Pac isn’t any of those fighters mentioned and doesn’t have to submit to Floyds demands. Floyd needs to get through his delusional head that he must negotiate with Pac not demand anything. Pac was and still is to dangerous for Floyd to test himself against.

Posted July 31, 2013 6:22 pm 


te tumbo

PEEJ, that’s why i archive and update the facts, which is the ultimate insult to their Manny*-worship.

Posted July 31, 2013 5:46 pm 


spartacus 65

Rem,that is 100% correct. Pacquiao DID accept all drug testing terms when he was on forst take. Even taking less of the purse. That effectively makes ALL the past stuff null and void. Period. Eve. Stephen a. smith a staunch Mayweather supporter said,cmon, there is NO REAXON now to not take the fight. Manny finally called the bluff in its entirety and many a person myself included just KNEW some other outrageous demand would arise. Bingo. Dump your promoter and fight for Mayweather promltions THEN we fight. No need to go further. No one who is objective would buy swallow that foolishness. Had Pacquiao sid that I would rake him over the coals as well. That just isn’t done. That is not realistic and Floyd knows that. Only the most fervent supporter would defend that. Fellas with all that being said me personally Ive had my fill of this b.s. Soap opera with both men. Mayweather is checking out soon and Manny NEEDS to get out before his health takes a hit. Time to focus on the young,bloods out there. Cheers

Posted July 31, 2013 5:18 pm 


PEEJ

And that’s what I keep statin Te Tumbo but yet I am call a liar. People don’t like when you post what was said by there team and prove them wrong. They just start insulting. Lol

Posted July 31, 2013 5:10 pm 


te tumbo

By Ben Thompson, Fighthype, July 7, 2011: [Mayweather] is obviously asking for the exact same type of tests that Victor Ortiz and Shane Mosley agreed too: RANDOM TESTING UP UNTIL THE WEIGH-IN . . . Michael Koncz: “Yeah, well we agreed to, in the past, random testing as long as when we get tested, he gets tested, up to 14 days. WE’RE NOT GOING TO TEST ON THE DAY OF THE FIGHT. I’m not going to sit here and tell you yes, we’ll agree to do tests that day or not, but what we’ve done in the past, we’ve agreed to give blood immediately after the fight but then the problem is THE COMMISSION TOLD US that they won’t do that because it’s not sterile in the dressing rooms. Will we give blood 5 days, 7 days before the fight? You know, that’s something I have to talk to Manny* about . . .” Pacquiao* never agreed to Floyd’s condition. not even for $50 million, which is exceedingly Suspect. otherwise, what is Manny* so afraid of that Floyd, Guerrero, Shane, and Ortiz, are not?

Posted July 31, 2013 4:52 pm 


te tumbo

there is NO credible excuse for rejecting Random and MUTUALLY-Applied testing. to date, Pacquiao* is the ONLY fighter to do so and the overwhelming majority of fans and “experts” gave him a pass over the past three years. it isn’t proof of juicing but it is solid evidence that Team Pacquiao* seriously wanted to avoid a showdown v. Mayweather, at all costs, and for whatever reason. i suspect the obvious: Pacquiao* would’ve been mercilessly dominated by Maweather, strictly tested or otherwise, and Arum wasn’t going to let that happen to his cash-cow. Pacquiao* may fit the popular profile of a PED-cheat but i don’t see any obvious evidence of anything other than the results of a rigorous nutrition and conditioning regimen. everything else is speculation due to Manny* being the only fighter to ever reject improved testing. Marquez has no obligation to prove he’s better than Manny*. besides, he already did with the #1 KO in Boxing History.

Posted July 31, 2013 4:46 pm 


Rem

Correct me if im wrong but when Floyd offered the 40 mil. to Pac testing up to the day of the fight was agreed on at that point purse split became the issue. Then before Pac Marquez 4 Pac said on First take hed accept a 55/45 split with testing up to the day of the fight.

Posted July 31, 2013 4:45 pm 


spartacus 65

Are you still involved in training today?

Posted July 31, 2013 4:31 pm 


spartacus 65

Corrections: Arum and King got the big fights made, though snakish as they were. I give them their due. Tark that’s interesting. Have you had the opportunity to train Robinson? Whobwere some ofthe fighters you’ve trained?

Posted July 31, 2013 4:30 pm 


pistolp

Brandon Rios sounds stupid when he talks and talks a lot of crap. Manny Pacquiao is going to put a beating on that dumb ass mexican.

Posted July 31, 2013 4:30 pm 


spartacus 65

Peej, cool day to you buddy. That’s why i always say neutrality and objectivity is tje best pokicy. The nest way to go. No pacman never agreed to testing up to tje day of tje fight. He askrd for a cur off daye. What he did accept was testing directly after the fight. Which was in my view mire than adequate . Howrver this was a game of egos from both sides and must be frank, Arum does not elicit sympathy from me at all. Neither does Mayweathers brain trust. Unfortunately the business side of bocing has just gotten out of hand to the upmost. Though unscrupulous snakes KING AND ARUM, they got during the seventies,eighties and nineties. I will give them their due. Ray leonard started the free agency boxer provess and was very successful with that. Through his lawyer Mike trainer they forced the promkters to bid for the purses to promkte a leonard fight on a fight by fight basis. Effectively making Leonard the man who called the shots .Henever was beholden to any promoter. Oscar and Floyd learned that lesson. Unfortunately egi gets in the way now AND unbridled greed. Fighters get to.pick and choose who tjey want to fight and fans are the losers cause tjey are paying insane money for inferior lroductio. Or as Larry Merchant put it after the Mayweather Delahoya clash, glorified sparring sessions.

Posted July 31, 2013 4:26 pm 


PEEJ

I’m really not sure what is going on with the testing between Marquez and Bradley. But one of the common denominators is Arum. And the Mayweather brain trust has nothing to do with what I think about the testing. You ask his manager and still to this day he says they never agreed to random testing up until the fight. I read an interview with him a couple months back and that’s what he said. But I’m still going with what Pac said and his lame excuses. It can definitely make people think you are on something. And if Marquez is now doing that, well it makes you think he could be on something. I’ve stated numerous times I don’t think Pac is on any thing. Neither man has failed a drug test. But yet we are all quick to say he was I. Something but yet so quick to defend the fighter we are a fan of.

Posted July 31, 2013 3:17 pm 


PEEJ

Yes Lewis was a great fighter. He beat every one he stepped in the ring with. How many other heavyweights can say that? He dominated the heavyweights. Look at his record and you can see who he fought. Yes he was boring, no I did not like him but that does not mean he wasn’t great.

Posted July 31, 2013 3:13 pm 


Donavan

Peej, you play fantasy boxing for some of the things you post.

Posted July 31, 2013 2:36 pm 


Donavan

Hecdog, yep thx, Duran was great no dought about it- hall of fame for sure, great super fights, great hall of fame rounds- fought the best at their best, but he was no sugar ray robison and then again who is.

Posted July 31, 2013 2:35 pm 


spartacus 65

Tomatoe can yep, you have a valid point. Most guys that get kayoed like that DO lose their chib virtually overnight. If Manny should win but in the process show some residual effects from tjat kayo,then he NEEDS to retire for his health. No ifs,ands or buts about it. The man gave us a hech of a ride s fans of the spiet. His place is secure in the history books. His style doesn’t make for a long career and he has taken some flush shots. Here is where I put some blame on Roach. A fighter of that caliber, SHOW HIM DEFENSE. Offense in his case was his defense. However a Marquez type figjter can make it uncomfortable for manny. Had Pacman learnrd the cus damato peek a boo style perfected by his COUSIN in styke,Iron Mike Tyson,then Pacman crushes Marquez. Counter punchers DO NOT LIKE UNPREDICTABILITY. IT DISRUPTS THEIR RYTHM. Mike was successful when he employed it. Ma.ny was successful when he did use it in that last fight but then he went back to old habits and got caught. Marquez prior to that looked confued when.pacquio employed head movement and bending at the waist Only when Pac stopped and went stationary did Marquez have success. Wait and see fellas. Cheers.

Posted July 31, 2013 2:34 pm 


Donavan

peej lewis great? who did lewis beat worth a tore dollar bill, and dont give me tyson who was well out of prime and mind. Lewis great? lewis got KOed twice as champ and embarrassing KOs—- Great- so what fight does he take to the hall of fame???????

Posted July 31, 2013 2:33 pm 


spartacus 65

Peej,tomato can, Hecdog cheers mates. Pacmans fights with Marquez were some doozies! Both men are darn good warriors. Take nothing from neither one. I never wantec to say that Marquez was on anything because I respect the man as a fighter and family guy. I also know that a man can bulk up and pht on considerable mass in a span of 2/3 months. Withkut peds. Just increase ykur callric intake and eat enkuvh.foods rich in protein and it can be done. Add in weighted squats which is the granddaddy of building iver all mass and strength then there is no mystery there. However I must admit habing Herida in his cirner raised some warning bells in my head. Add to that the fact that Herida admitted some time ago that he knew how to camouflage the peds being detected by even the most stringent tests back then , That gives me a bit of pause. Still I igive him the benefit if the doubt. Now if this is true what Im hearing now,Marquez being funny about testing,then I have no iption but to question tne validity of his newfound advancement.Manny never failed a test and was willing to take tests before,regardless of what the Mayweather braintrust will have you believe. After his initial refusal ,he came thankfully to his senses and said ok. Even rigjt after the fight. Marquez is a whole different thing here. Also his behavior since that win has been just plain odd as well. The jury is still out I suppose and let’s see how this plays out. But it sure seems suspect man.

Posted July 31, 2013 2:18 pm 


PEEJ

He didn’t soundly beat Marquez 3 times. He had rough fights with every fight. Marquez should of win the 3rd one but got robbed. I agree if Pac comes back that will be a special feat. I just don’t see it happening. Still taking Rios by KO

Posted July 31, 2013 1:53 pm 


Tomato Can

Hey there Spartacus. Agreed, you can never tell when a fighters punch resistance will drop, but on many occasions I’ve wittnessed fighters who get starched, transistion into china chins, as if their chin had memory of the initial concausive blow.

Posted July 31, 2013 1:06 pm 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao soundly beat Ped Man Marquez three times already, and was brutally beating him up in the 4th fight until the infamous Ped Punch landed. Now I read that Marquez is having some trouble agreeing to testing for the Bradley fight? Hmm…….I wonder why? Maybe it’s Mr. Hereida that is being scrutinized a bit more. I mentioned previously that Marquez will eventually get busted for Ped usea, and he will.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:42 pm 


spartacus 65

Tomatoe can have a valid point champ in regards to Pacquias chin. I for one am waiting to see what is the verdict on that. Duran and Lennox Lewis came back from crushing kayis to fight again.at elite levels. Lewis in particular,who in my view had ticklish whiskers to begin with was a bit of a suprise. Hearns also came back after the Barkley kayo loss and fought quite well. Although tjere was evident signs of slippage beginning to show. Im pulling for Manny all the way. He has been in quite a few doozies and one never can tell with individual fighters when the punch Resistence starts to drop. My hunch is he will be as toygh as ever. We will see. Cheers mate.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:41 pm 


Tomato Can

And if Manny is able to comeback and show no signs of that brutal KO loss over a string a of fights, against worthy opponents, that will be a remarkable feet.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:25 pm 


Tomato Can

Scientist, agreed…

Posted July 31, 2013 12:23 pm 


Tomato Can

Manny has the odds stacked against him in this fight. His chin may be completely broken, and none of us will know until he gets cracked on it again. I’ve never seen anyone comeback from that type of knock out loss. That was a career ender. Rios is the perfect fighter for Manny, defensively speaking, but if Rios is able to set his feet and land punches, Manny will have major problems. By the way, Manny better guard that chin durring sparring too, cause Provodnikov (if he’s ends up in his training camp) could cause additional damage to that chin.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:22 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Who cares if some of you clowns thing Manny would’ve beaten the legends of the past..he couldn’t even beat active legend today Juan Manuel Marquez..

Posted July 31, 2013 11:43 am 


te tumbo

i maintain that Lewis did but with the caveat that NO fighter in history has EVER been KTFO like Pacquiao*. not even Hatton or Williams. it is withOut a Doubt the #1 KO in Boxing History, which Pacquiao* will be the first to overcome or not.

Posted July 31, 2013 11:13 am 


PEEJ

Wow Te Tumbo you are right which makes it even worse for Pac. There is nobody that has come back from a KO like that. Thanks for pointing that out

Posted July 31, 2013 10:40 am 


te tumbp

No PEEJ. Duran was not “put to sleep” according to your criteria. in fact, he was groggily trying to get up as soon as he hit the canvas. Lewis’ KO losses to McCall and Rahman were no less severe than Duran’s to Hearns. only Pacquiao*, Hatton, and Williams fit the criteria you’re describing and none returned or will return as good as they were before. conversely, the legendary Lewis returned to avenge both flash-KOs in ATG fashion but this doesn’t apply to Pacquiao* who lacks fundamental boxing skills and will default to his reckless lunging into Rios’ wheelhouse. the only intrigue and suspense to this matchup is which fighter won’t be able to absorb the punching power of the other. in Rios you have a fierce slugger with a durable chin v. Pacquiao* who is a fierce puncher with a severely-dented chin. advantage: “Bam-Bam”.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:29 am 


Mr. Stretech

In the interview with Pac, the interviewer said something to Pac that made me scratch my he, she said you’re going to fight another hungry lion, huh? When did he ever fight someone younger that he is or in their prime? When did he fight someone coming off of an impressive win? A young hungry lion would be coming off a win versus a loss, no? I’m so confused.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:11 am 


Boomboomboy

The biggest decline in Pacquiao since the Clottey fight has been his inability to no longer work for the full 3 mins of every round.
The old manny fought at ferocious pace, every second of every round, but I just don’t think he takes it serious anymore. Setting up his whole camp in the Phillipines speaks volumes, Freddie has always disliked him being there for camps and I’m sure he insisted that Manny moves his future camps to LA. seems to me Manny got his way again. Once a fighter loses that hunger it’s gone forever. As Mickey says in Rocky 3, the worst thing that can happen to a fighter is the ‘get civilised’ Manny Pacquiao is living proof of this.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:25 am 


BRUCE

ANYONE WHO THINKS PRIME PACQUIAO WOULD OF BEAT PRIME ARMSTRONG LEONARD DURAN HAS GOT THE BRAIN OF A CAMEL.

Posted July 31, 2013 7:31 am 


Anonymous

HECDOG

“Manny Pacquiao stands out above the majority of them. The only other fighters capable of reaching his heights in the squared circle are Duran, Robinson, Ali, Chavez Sr, Jack Johnson, Salvador Sanchez,Henry Armstrong and SR Leonard. All have superior qualities that elevates them above the rest. Athleticism, speed, power, Intelligence,ring mastery, and the will to win. Manny Pacquiao is a notch above all of them. He does everything better. I spent some time thinking about these legends taking on Manny Pacquiao while in their prime as well as Manny in his prime. I concluded that Manny Pacquiao in his prime would have defeated all of them. ”

Are you serious?

Anyway what about MANNY PACQUIAO Vs SAUL CANELO ALVAREZ?
Canelo was a welter a few short years ago, so let’s take both these dudes in their primes and let’s give it a MANNY SPECIAL catchweight of 150 lbs?

Who wins?

I would particularly like to get the view of TARK, who in his posts is semmingly implying that Canelo is the best fighter who has ever lived!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted July 31, 2013 7:23 am 


TARK

If Pac wins it’s on to Mayweather…

If Pac loses it’s on to Mayweather… Why not??? It’s money man.

Posted July 31, 2013 1:54 am 


TARK

Quite a press tour… Over to the Phillipines and hopping around China, Beijing, Macau — and back to the United States to tour in major cities… Then back to China again.. All for a non-title fight.. The travel bill for the entire entourage has to amount to 100’s of thousands of dollars, maybe a million dollars — I suppose the fight will pull about 80 to 100 million dollars worldwide and all this hype will help.. Not bad for a guy who suffered his 3rd KO defeat and his 5th loss — and fighting an opponent who’s coming off a loss.

I always love it when pundits say, “He desperately needs to win and win impressively in this fight.” … It’s not that way at all dude… Sometimes you lose and you’re bigger than ever. Pac does need to win this one though. If he doesn’t win he IS through … or IS his?

Posted July 31, 2013 1:51 am 


PEEJ

I doubt that. Especially after being KOd by the man he easily took care of. All you do is insult people so your comments are meaningless.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:57 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Floyd still ducks back into the darkest corner of the chicken coop at the mere mention of Manny’s name even though it’s abundantly clear the Pacman is on his last legs. Floyd is on his legs too, only difference is they’re covered in yellow feathers that are drenched in his own urine.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:15 am 


PEEJ

You should stop with the excuses. If you’ve posted on here before you would know that I’ve never thought Pac was on anything. But for him to come up with ridiculous excuses makes people think he was taking something. Lewis may have been boring but he was a great heavyweight. And y’all are wrong Lewis was never KOd like Pac. He was still awake both times. Pac was sleep and was even said to be snoring. Once again only 1 fighter comes to name that was able to come back. The numbers are not in Pacs favor which is why I think Rios KOs Pac

Posted July 31, 2013 12:08 am 


Hecdog

Donavan, I Agree, Lennox Lewis wasn’t very good.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:03 am 


Donavan

Hecdog, lennox was one of the worse heavy weights of all time, the dude was horrible to watch and bored the nation. Duran was a great fighter, but the no mas thing ate him up and he Robison was the best.

Posted July 30, 2013 11:35 pm 


Donavan

Mundo, like I said== the marquez and pacman series is boxing, whoever won or loss. Im not a pacman fan, but I like to watch the boy do his thing

Posted July 30, 2013 11:33 pm 


Hecdog

Lennox Lewis and the great Roberto Duran both were knocked out only to come back and win titles. Boxing fans must understand the difference between a good heavyweight in Lennox Lewis, a great fighter in Roberto Duran and the Greatest fighter of all time. I have watched a plethora of boxing talent live and through a variety of video footage through the years. I have studied the sweet science and have a very open mind as to who qualifies as the best fighters of all time. Manny Pacquiao stands out above the majority of them. The only other fighters capable of reaching his heights in the squared circle are Duran, Robinson, Ali, Chavez Sr, Jack Johnson, Salvador Sanchez,Henry Armstrong and SR Leonard. All have superior qualities that elevates them above the rest. Athleticism, speed, power, Intelligence,ring mastery, and the will to win. Manny Pacquiao is a notch above all of them. He does everything better. I spent some time thinking about these legends taking on Manny Pacquiao while in their prime as well as Manny in his prime. I concluded that Manny Pacquiao in his prime would have defeated all of them. Manny, in his prime has a style that can’t be deciphered. Manny’s power is comparable to a head on collision between two semi trucks. His hand and foot feints are as memorizing as a Cobra. His athleticism is a combination of Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice and Pele. His speed can’t be compared. I respect all of the legends that I put against Manny Pacquiao, but they just fall a bit short.

Posted July 30, 2013 11:32 pm 


Donavan

peej give the excuses up, only lemmonweather fans need to believe that nonsense

Posted July 30, 2013 11:30 pm 


PEEJ

Donavan Pac not taking the drug test and then coming up with ridiculous excuses on why he can’t take them makes you think he was on something. And then the fact that he finally agreed to take the test a couple fights back, people started questioning the he was finally cycling off of them along with Pac not looking so great in fights makes you think he was in something.

Posted July 30, 2013 10:20 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Donovan- ummm I dont know, lets see oh yea…. Marquez! in all the fights and the last one just about killed him.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:52 pm 


PEEJ

The Pac that showed up for Bradley only fought for 30 seconds a round. I thought Pac won but I am sure that is what costed him the fight. Pac was having some success in the Marquez 4th fight but so was Marquez. Remember Marquez was knocked down once in that fight and Pac was knocked down twice.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:36 pm 


PEEJ

Lewis’s eyes where still open. He was moving around. As for Pac he was sleep before and after he hit the ground. He was not moving, they had to wake him up. He was actually snoring. Sorry but 2 totally different knockouts.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:35 pm 


Donavan

Mex, if you believe pac used any type of drug, then you believe in santa clause or is it vatoclause

Posted July 30, 2013 9:29 pm 


Donavan

tamundo- struggles? pacman struggles? against who

Posted July 30, 2013 9:27 pm 


Donavan

Peej, are you nuts! Lewis was not only put to sleep, he was placed on a different planet. Dude thought he was a tennis player when he woke up

Posted July 30, 2013 9:25 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Pacquioa’ s speed alone will be too much for Rios. Brandon may be bigger but hes a light weight. Pacquioa has been facing bigger taller fighters at welter. This is a fight to boost Pacquioa’s confidence. Rios is a dead man. Thats why they chose Rios over Alvarado. Pacquioa struggles with counterpunchers and boxers. Rios is a slugger. A natural target for Pacquioa to pick apart with different angles.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:23 pm 


Donavan

Peej, the bradly fight? Pac’s fight robbery, Marquez fight, got caught- was not beat on. Pac will beat rios easy, Mayweather will win easy- so then what the heck- fight time

Posted July 30, 2013 9:19 pm 


PEEJ

Look if this was the Pac that fought Marquez for 3 out of those 5 or 6 they fought in the last fight or the Pac that showed up to fight Margacheato or before I would take Pac by KO easy. But if this is the same Pac that showed up for the Bradley fight and of course this is the same Pac after being KOd by Marquez then I am going with the numbers and I am picking Rios by KO. The numbers are not in Pacs favor and for the most part numbers never lie.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:15 pm 


PEEJ

No Te Tumbo you are wrong. Lewis was never put to sleep. He was KOd but Pac was put to sleep. So please name one besides Duran.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:13 pm 


te tumbo

“name me another fighter besides Duran that has ever been KOd like that and was able to come back after that and have a succeful career. Just one other one please”: Lennox Lewis. Twice.

Posted July 30, 2013 8:58 pm 


Dino

PJ….I have watched many a fight in my day and true, I can’t think of another, I remember when Mike Weaver lost every round of a 15 rounder back in the day against Big John Tate and Koed him in the last round. I don’t think Tate ever came back after that. Yeah, tough question.

Posted July 30, 2013 8:41 pm 


Papo

Patrick2 wrote, “Papo — that could very well be the case. However, after such a brutal KO you never know what type of fighter will emerge. Will the ol’ Pac return, or will it be a Pac who is now gun shy and fights like an opponent, instead of a champ. We’ll find out”.

Patrick2, you make a good point and perhaps it’s the main reason why this fight still interesting. If Pac had come out on top against Marquez, then this fight wouldn’t make sense at this point. I believe Pac power and speed will overwhelmed Rios, but, as you mentioned, Pac may be a little worried about another devastating KO. It may also be the reason why Pac keeps stating that he lost to Marquez due to a lucky punch.

Nevertheless, we don’t know what’s on Pac’s mind. It wasn’t his first lost so I assumed it shouldn’t be too difficult for him to recover, but I could be wrong.

Posted July 30, 2013 8:40 pm 


hecubus

PEEJ – thats a tricky question, because there aren’t a lot of fighters of the caliber of a duran or pacquaio that ever get put to sleep, so to my memory, there’s not a lot of guys to pick from. I’m curious to see how Pacquiao will look/respond in this fight

Posted July 30, 2013 8:31 pm 


PEEJ

Donavan name me another fighter besides Duran that has ever been KOd like that and was able to come back after that and have a succeful career. Just one other one please. Duran is all I can think of. And I am not talking about getting knocked out. I am talking about being put to sleep

Posted July 30, 2013 8:20 pm 


hookoffthejab

Rios is going to get FKINGKTFO ……..

Posted July 30, 2013 8:19 pm 


hecubus

pacquaio wins this….i just cant see rios suriving against pacquiao the way he fights. he’ll be able to hang in there for a bit, but Pacquiao will pick him apart.

Posted July 30, 2013 8:09 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Im with Dino. Pacquioa will be too much for the slow Rios. Pacquioa is very heavy-handed. Pacquioa by TKO or possibly KO.

Posted July 30, 2013 8:03 pm 


hookoffthejab

LMAO Hecdog you and Chicago guy are related right ???………..

Posted July 30, 2013 7:30 pm 


Dino

I think Rios will come in like a true Mexican warrior however, Pac takes him into the deep, Rios will wilt and the ref will bring the fight to a halt or his corner will wave the white flag.

Posted July 30, 2013 7:19 pm 


Patrick2

@ Papo — that could very well be the case. However, after such a brutal KO you never know what type of fighter will emerge. Will the ol’ Pac return, or will it be a Pac who is now gun shy and fights like an opponent, instead of a champ. We’ll find out.

Posted July 30, 2013 7:08 pm 


Jvincy

I think this will be a better fight than most think. Rios is not a gun shy opponent. I’m not saying that he will win, but as long as he throws punches he has a great chance. Most of Pac’s past opponents seem gun shy once they get in the ring with him. I don’t see Rios going out like that.

Posted July 30, 2013 7:06 pm 


Papo

I just don’t see how Rios can win this fight. Sure, he can take a punch and has a serious offense style of fighting, but this time around he’ll be fighting at a different level. Pac is no way a shot fighter. One can argue that he was robbed on his fight against Bradley and got careless against Marquez.

And, although most people believe on the old cliché that styles make fights, one can’t help but compare each fighter’s past opponents to come up with a “smart” guess of who will win the match. Brandon Rios resume cannot be compare to Pac’s by a long shot.

I see Rios falling into the trap of believing Pac is shot because of his lost to Marquez and that he can manhandle Pac because he’s the bigger man. But I believe he’ll be overwhelmed by Pac speed and power, and will be KOed by round seven.

Posted July 30, 2013 6:54 pm 


Ghetto Thug

hecdog – “Keep all women and children away from the TV” I thougth u had some crack the first time u said this BS but now I know u dont, u are seriously hurted of ur ant sized brain, medication is required

Posted July 30, 2013 6:02 pm 


Ghetto Thug

“Keep all women and children away from the TV” I thougth u had some crack the day u said the first day but now I know u dont, u are seriously hurted of ur ant sized brain, medication is required

Posted July 30, 2013 6:00 pm 


Mex

Pac is done…I will not pay to watch his fights anymore…hes just as guilty as Alex Rodriguez….PEDS!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted July 30, 2013 4:37 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“they climbed a portion of the Great Wall…” – Anyone see that pic of Pac and Rios nearly plow through a 5 year old kid racing up those stairs? They’d stomp that kid for a photo op showing they were ahead. LOL.

Posted July 30, 2013 2:58 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

This: “After all, Freddie is reminded of what can happen to Manny every single day of his life: Freddie himself has Parkinson’s Disease. “Manny, do you want to end up like me?”Seems like a reasonable question, and argument, to me.

Of course what about the sanctioning bodies? They have the power to prevent Manny from fighting due to concerns for his health and well-being. But who really cares where money is concerned? Big money.”

Posted July 30, 2013 2:55 pm 


sweet_scientist

Why ALL the MAYWEATHER talk?? THIS IS A Rios/Pacquiao ARTICLE!!

Posted July 30, 2013 2:45 pm 


sweet_scientist

Pacquiao’s HEAD looks very BIG in the video??

Posted July 30, 2013 2:43 pm 


te tumbo

“Why do you think Marquez didn’t sign to fight him”? because Punkuiao* is negotiating as if it was HIM who executed the rivalry-ending and #1 KO in Boxing History. Punkuiao* obviously lacks the confidence to redeem his Horrific KO Loss (just look at the horrified faces of the 1%’rs sitting ringside including Manny’s newest and former buddy Mitt Romney), which is why he continues to sabotage a potential fifth matchup by trying to dictate conditions such as location and purse-splits. not Marquez’s style who made every conceivable concession over Eight (8) F’n Years to get Pacquiao* back into a boxing ring. the primary difference is Marquez Reeeally wanted those matchups and Punkuiao* never did. in fact, every four (4) years when Manny* would agree to face Marquez, the decision was based on Marquez being either too old or too small. Team Punkuiao* will Never underestimate Marquez again, which is why they won’t agree to Marquez v. Pacquiao* V. Marquez is simply Greater. the rivalry is OVER. Viva Marquez!

Posted July 30, 2013 2:42 pm 


Donavan

Mayweather fans- after lemmonweather wins Canelo, and he will. That will fill up the lemmon tree pretty good. So after rios gets destroyed by pacman, can we finally see punkweather grow some ballzz

Posted July 30, 2013 2:01 pm 


Donavan

Easy win for the pacman.

Posted July 30, 2013 1:59 pm 


Donavan

Peej, you rest pacman’s career because pacman gets caught from a nice shot from marquez. Dude, really give me a break. Marquez and pacman’s will to fight and not run just shows that two fighters who mix it up like that , somebody gets caught. Marquez was in trouble and losing that fight , and ok – congrats nice KO. If you think rios is going to run through the pacman, well my fellow post boy- somebody put something in your fruit loops

Posted July 30, 2013 1:56 pm 


PEEJ

Beating Rios will not shock the world. It will just show he can pull a fighter from a smaller division and beat him. Rios is gonna win by KO anyways. Pacs chin is shattered

Posted July 30, 2013 1:30 pm 


CALIBA

Hecdog is on some good drugs man. You meth heads and might wanna holla at him.

Posted July 30, 2013 1:09 pm 


srminimo

It’s good to see Ríos composed, happy and appreciative of the big moment. This will be a very tough fight for him, but there’s no doubt he’s going to go down in a haze of bullets and I’m glad he gets an opportunity at a big fight and some financial security.

Posted July 30, 2013 12:57 pm 


Hecdog

Te Tumbo, Manny is going to shock the world by the way he brutally, painfully and destructively annihilates the tough Brandon Rios, Rios will be much tougher than Ped Man Marquez because he is stronger, has a bigger fighting heart and is better all around than Ped Man Marquez. Why do you think Marquez didn’t sign to fight him. Manny is going to hurt Rios Badly in the same fashion as he did to Margarito. Fans will be so traumatized that they will call for Manny Pacquiao to be banned from the sport. Keep all women and children away from the TV. This is going to be horrific. That’s what you get when you wake up a sleeping Giant.

Posted July 30, 2013 12:47 pm 


123=VI

T is right Floyd was already talking about fighting Khan who doesn’t even compare to Guerrero in other words Guerrero is 10 times better than Khan, BUT Showtime told Floyd: Hey your not with HBO where they let you get away with your CHERRYPICKIN WAYS we let you CHERRYPICKED Guerrero because of your long lay-off from boxing but your fighting Canelo next or we send you packing just like HBO did.

Posted July 30, 2013 12:29 pm 


te tumbo

“Manny[*] Pacquiao[*] is going to shock the world”. HecDog betrays a shocking lack of faith in Pacquiao* if he believes a win would be “shocking”(?). perhaps there’s hope for him yet.

Posted July 30, 2013 11:19 am 


Dino

Pac is an Offensive fighter because that is his style, that will always be his style. Roach or Mayweathers or Sweet Pea can’t change it at this point. A fighter will always go back to what he has been doing once the fight gets into the mid rounds. The only option you have as a trainer is to have your fighter move around the ring more and not lay against the ropes against a banger (Cotto Marg II). If your gonna make someone a complete fighter, great defense and offensive, this is taught and worked on in the begining.

Posted July 30, 2013 11:08 am 


T

Who did Mayweather fight last, Guerrero who beat Berto, anyone can beat Berto, Mayweather cherry picks all his fights, he has been forced into the Canelo fight, if he could have avoided him, he would have.

Posted July 30, 2013 10:57 am 


Hidalgo

“but he’s fighting a guy that’s not only coming up in weight, but lost his last fight. ” This is true, Papo, but it’s not like Alvarado blasted Rios out of the water. The fight really could have gone either way. And had Alvarado not made such a point of staying away from Rios, Brandon might have stopped him a second time. As for going up in weight, yeah, that’s usually an issue. It will be an interesting fight. Certainly a slug-fest as well.

Posted July 30, 2013 10:44 am 


Papo

The biggest issue to Pac is that he’s in a must win fight. Not just because of his two previous loses, but he’s fighting a guy that’s not only coming up in weight, but lost his last fight. A lost to Rios would be devastating for Pac’s career.

On the other hand, a win by Pac against Rios may not be a big deal either for the same reasons…winning against a guy that’s coming up in weight and lost his last fight. Pac needs to win this fight in a big way because if the fight is close or if he loses, him and Bob Arum will be kicking themselves in the back side for picking a “loser” as his opponent.

Posted July 30, 2013 9:20 am 


TJ

Hidalgo
I’d just like to share some of my opinions regarding Manny Pacquiao at this stage in his career:

GOOD POINTS HIDALGO…

I’ve said on here time and again: None of us pay the medical bills of the boxers or look after them long after they have retired and their health seriously declined when they need us most.

BOXERS owe us nothing either inside or outside the ring…..

If these blood thirsty fans truly want to see a vicious fight, then queue up outside and bar or club and get your fill. As for me, I like to see boxing!

Posted July 30, 2013 8:50 am 


RAY GORDON REID

manny pacquiao

Posted July 30, 2013 8:18 am 


big mike

Arum not stun, typo

Posted July 30, 2013 7:22 am 


big mike

China owns to much of what the U.S. does, sad. Keep supporting people who deliver our assets to China on a silver platter, I.E. Pac, Stun and Sheldon Adelson, laugh now cry later.

Posted July 30, 2013 7:21 am 


the truth101

hecdog-get a life bro.

Posted July 30, 2013 7:16 am 


pissedawthetime

What about Rios and his slurred speech then? Should he retire also? I fear for Bam Bam after what Pacquiao did to his pal Margarito. I think this fight will be a bloodbath.

peace

Posted July 30, 2013 2:20 am 


Hecdog

Manny Pacquiao is the greatest boxer of all time. No one has accomplished what this honorable, respectful, peaceful, intelligent human being has accomplished in the sport of boxing. Manny’s reign of terror over the years will be remembered for centuries to come. Some people want to step on him. They want to see his legacy destroyed. They really want to see him hurt and knocked out by the tough Brandon Rios. There continues to be so much envy and jealousy towards this gift of God. There is no reason to ever cheer against this prodigy. He brings love, joy and happiness to his people in the Philippines. He does so many good things, yet some people would love to see his career come to and end. The scientific and brutal sport of boxing has finally found a man that carries the sport on his shoulders. He keeps his head high even after being cheated by Marquez, Nacho and Hereida. When nothing else worked for them, they lowered themselves to cheating, something Manny Pacquiao would never do. Manny is preparing to make the most coveted and anticipated return to a sport he owns. He will be victorious vs Rios and the world will jump for joy. Manny will redeem himself as only a true warrior can. He will bring back memories of the great Roberto Duran after his No Mas fight. Duran made his comeback culminating in another championship vs Davey Moore, and a victory for the ages vs Barkley. Manny Pacquiao will do the same. Never doubt a legend. Never underestimate a man that came from nothing to the only 8 time division boxing champion and the greatest fighter of all times. Trust me on this one. Manny Pacquiao is going to shock the world.

Posted July 30, 2013 2:09 am 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo, you mother focker know-it-all” Thank you, young lady.

Posted July 30, 2013 2:01 am 


nameless

Hidalgo, you mother focker know-it-all, thank you for taking your time to enlighten us.

Posted July 30, 2013 1:07 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Pacquiao doesn’t need to retire. He just needs to concentrate on Defense more. I TOLD him long ago to dump Roach because his philosophy is bad for your health….I understand that Offense WINS Fights but you have to defend yourself TOO. Your gameplan can’t always be to just out gun the opponent. Get a coach with better Boxing IQ. Pernell Whitaker would be an excellent choice….and of course the Mayweathers are Top of the line. Dump Arum TOO and sign with Mayweather Promotions SO you can face Floyd.

Posted July 30, 2013 12:46 am 


Hidalgo

I’d just like to share some of my opinions regarding Manny Pacquiao at this stage in his career:

Pacquiao has shown decline and lost his last three bouts (pretty much everyone feels he lost in his third fight with Marquez) because of the onset of Pugilistica dementia. Pac has just been in too many hard wars. Remember back at the beginning of the year, a Filipino physician who was observing Pacquiao during one of his interviews stated that he saw Pac’s hands “twitching” and that he was displaying the early signs of Parkinson’s Disease or Alzheimer’s Disease and that he was concerned for his health and safety should he suffer further brain trauma after being knocked out by Marquez.

The cause of the brain injury in chronic traumatic encephalopathy and dementia pugilistica is the cumulative effect of repetitive subconcussive blows. Pugilist’s dementia affects a boxer’s motor skills, cognitive abilities, and causes psychiatric symptoms as well. It can also progress to a second stage which is distinguished by Parkinsonism or, Parkinson’s Disease. If the Doc said he saw Pac shaking, I believe it. And that’s a sign that Pacquiao should have stopped fighting after Marquez KOd him.

One Filipino Doc said “Even though his reflexes are quick, I noticed the movement – it’s just another view, my personal view – but it seems like there are early signs. There are some movements that you will notice with his hands. It’s in the hands, and not the head, where you can easily see this. It twitches a little bit. Although I haven’t seen it up close, I think I am seeing that there are some signs.”

Another Doctor said that even though results from CT scans on Pac’s brain showed no damage, “When the brain gets shook like that, it’s very dangerous. Since it’s not truly fixed to your skull, when your brain gets shaken, there are connections that get cut off, and you get small hemorrhages.” Additionally, “… the forensic expert expressed alarm over reports that Pacquiao allegedly had a slight seizure after falling unconscious from Marquez’s hammer blow to the head.”

Ultimately it’s up to Manny Pacquiao to know when to quit. But it’s too bad that promoter’s like Bob Arum don’t really seem to care about their fighters. If Arum truly cared about Pacquiao he’d be telling him he wasn’t going to make any more fights for him. Instead he matches him up with an opponent who sure to make for an exciting punchfest and all-out brawl–just what Pacquiao doesn’t need.

I question Freddie Roach as well. Certainly I understand Pacquiao-the-boxer to some extent. Fighting is what he does. And he loves to do it. He doesn’t want to go out on a bad note, he wants to go out on top lilke all fighters do. But I wonder why Freddie hasn’t just refused to continue to train Manny? After all, Freddie is reminded of what can happen to Manny every single day of his life: Freddie himself has Parkinson’s Disease. “Manny, do you want to end up like me?”Seems like a reasonable question, and argument, to me.

Of course what about the sanctioning bodies? They have the power to prevent Manny from fighting due to concerns for his health and well-being. But who really cares where money is concerned? Big money.

Posted July 30, 2013 12:25 am 


PEEJ

I’ll take Tios by KO. He is not slow. And Pac will be there to be hit. Rios is much better than Diaz. Much better. Can Pac take a punch now? Who knows but we will find out in November

Posted July 29, 2013 10:48 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Brandon Rios is no better than David Diaz. We saw what happened to Diaz. Is Brandon Rios better than Miguel Cotto?? NO. Theres your answer. Pacquioa will pulverize Rios. Brandon is too slow for even a wounded Pacquioa. If Rios was slow at a lightweight, what do u think a few extra pounds will do? Sure maybe it MIGHT make Rios a bit stronger but it will also make him A LOT more slower. Paquioa wins by KO.

Posted July 29, 2013 10:11 pm 


ERECTAMUNDO

Pacquioa is not shot. He will kill Rios inside 10 rounds. Walking punching bag. Rios will retire after.

Posted July 29, 2013 9:53 pm 



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