“I’ll take Marquez over Bradley. Either late round stoppage or decision. Either way Marquez wins”
Same here, Peej. Bradley has never fought anyone as accurate, tenacious, and tough as Marquez. I think Marquez will stop him late.Posted August 5, 2013 7:13 pm
IMO, Bradley has the ability to exploit the somewhat lumbering counterpuncher that Marquez has become as a result of his transformation into a Pacquiao*-Stopping torpedo. Marquez has become an ambush-puncher waiting to exploit an opponent’s ferocity. however, he begins to look awkward whenever he’s compelled to lumber forward trying to cut-off an opponent. is Bradley a good enough boxer to hit, hop out of range, and avoid the counters? just like Pacquiao* wasn’t? it’s his best shot at defeating Marquez. otherwise, Marquez prevails in any collision between these two. “Not A Through Street” should be emblazoned on Bradley’s heavy-bag and training mitts as a reminder that steamrolling through Marquez is not an option.Posted August 4, 2013 10:45 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
I totally disagree. It is borderline cheating because the ropes were not designed for boxers to lay back on them so they can avoid taking shots without using REAL defensive skills. Technically, is not “cheating” but it is CHEAP, lazy and overall poor technique. Those circus side-show style tactics belong in WWE professional wrestling, NOT boxing.Posted August 4, 2013 2:12 am
I’ll take Marquez over Bradley. Either late round stoppage or decision. Either way Marquez winsPosted August 3, 2013 8:02 pm
Not sure how that’s cheating. It should help you be able to hit your opponent especially if you bounce off the ropes and get hit. That would put so much force behind your shot. Not cheating nor is it borderline cheating.Posted August 3, 2013 8:00 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
Hidalgo, Thanks for the shout out, bro. Yeah…I agree with you that it should be illegal for fighters to lay back onto the ropes as a defensive technique. I hated seeing Ali doing it when he was putting on lazy (rope-a-dope) performances, and I can’t stand watching Floyd doing it either.
Although it is permitted, I consider it to be a cheap, borderline form of cheating. I mean… boxing is NOT WWE professional wrestling, and the ropes on a boxing ring where not designed to be used in that way.Posted August 3, 2013 6:35 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
8 to 5 odds for the favorite-lol. I am pretty sure JMM will KO him late…Posted August 3, 2013 4:15 pm
The Marquez-Bradley fight will probably go the distance with Bradley winning.
A weakness Bradley displayed vs Provodnikov is a lack of clinching skills. If Marquez can get Tim hurt he has a chance to finish him off. Alvarado also showed the same vulnerability vs Rios in their 1st fight. He didn’t tie Rios up and kept getting hit after he was staggered.
Provodnikov throws shorter and tighter combinations than Rios, and he’s tougher to grab … He is easy to hit however.Posted August 3, 2013 3:39 pm
I think Ruslan will take Mike out of his game plan and K.O. him in a possible classic and I also think Marquez will be the 1st to K.O. Bradley… Tim is always in great conditioning but honestly his skills or power are not impressive. I think Marquz will easily beat a game Bradley whose eart is never the question. Anyne for a Marquez vs. Thurman and a Mathysse vs. Provodnikov?Posted August 3, 2013 2:11 pm
Tumbo, I agree Alvarado is the bigger puncher over Provo. But that’s not a reason for Alvarado to stand and trade, which would give the high volume puncher Provo his best chance at a win. Alvarado’s boxing skills actually are pretty good when he uses them. If he’s smart he’ll box and bang the first 5 rounds constantly switching from the two. Once the steam is taken out of Provo’s punches then he can try and finish him but if he tries from the opening bell it’s a near even fight.Posted August 3, 2013 12:58 pm
Alvarado does take too many risks and punches based on his somewhat exaggerated faith in his own punching power. this time, I think he’ll recognize the limits imposed by his transition from opponents and prospects to contenders and champions. IF he’s smart, he’ll anticipate having to box and not simply believe that he will drop or even stun every opponent with every flush-shot and even if he does, Bradley demonstrated how the elite fighters of the sport respond: they Fight back.Posted August 3, 2013 11:20 am
No. Alvarado isn’t equal to Bradley but neither is Provodnikov. Bradley underestimated Rulsan and took a lot of unnecessary risks, which translated into wide-open opportunities for Provodnikov. Bradley is better than that and Alvarado hasn’t proved anything at 147lbs. this is his chance but pending the results, Bradley is the tried, tested, and proven Champion at 147lbs. after Alvarado defeats Provodnikov, Bradley and Alvarado’s styles would mesh well for an excellent contest between Bradley’s aggressive boxing and Alvarado’s aggressive punching.Posted August 3, 2013 11:15 am
But let me ask you something te tumbo, do you think Alvarado is equal to Bradley as a boxer? Who’s better? Who do you think would win a fight between them?Posted August 3, 2013 11:00 am
I could be wrong. But even if I am, I won’t regret it. It should still be a great fight.Posted August 3, 2013 10:59 am
“i detect a lot of faith in the durability of Provodnikov’s chin(?). what is this presumption based on?”
te tumbo, my presumption isn’t based on Provodnikov’s chin. It’s based on his power. Also, Alvardo is moving up to welterweight which is where Prov is already fighting at. I think Prov will have too much power for Alvarado at welterweight. And he will connect with Alvarado’s face. Often.Posted August 3, 2013 10:55 am
I suspect this will be a little tougher than the Rios fights.Posted August 3, 2013 3:35 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
This is the REAL life Rocky Balboa vs. Ivan Drago — only at 140lbs!
And the fight is going down in the Mile High City, so you gotta love it! Thinking about flying back home, just to see this match-up. Unless Provo is going to be training at altitude, Mike should have the stamina advantage if it goes into the middle and later rounds. IMO…the longer the fights goes on, the better it will be for M.A.
Mike might get caught and knocked down in this battle, but I believe he has the the chin and determination to get up and keep fighting. I think Mike learned a whole lot from his last fight with Rios and will stick and move all night vs. Provo. He come into this fight in amazing condition — more than prepared to go the distance.
Everyone is talking about Provo’s power, but Mike actually has the higher KO %. He also has the height and reach advantage, so must box this Russian steamroller like a scientist with controlled aggression.Posted August 2, 2013 11:27 pm
Thats true. He went to war with Prescott too. If Alvarado can go toe to toe with Prescott and Rios, Provodnikov better watch out or hes gonna get KO.Posted August 2, 2013 10:20 pm
TC, it just occurred to me that a lot of other posters were confidently assuming something that i’ve only seen limited evidence for. don’t get me wrong, Bradley is a strong, aggressive, and busy Champion but he was also pretty reckless with trying to make a statement v. designated opponent Provodnikov. to Ruslan’s credit, he defied promotional calculations but it still only amounts to tried and tested v. Bradley’s punching power but not v. the heaviest welter hittters. Alvarado has also got a couple of sweet punches in his arsenal that he won’t have any problem landing on Provodnikov. his lead right and marble-rattling uppercut. IMO, this matchup will answer questions about Provodnikov and confirm what we already know about Alvarado. in that scenario, the edge must go to Alvarado.Posted August 2, 2013 4:27 pm
TeTumbo, you could be on to something. We sure the heck can’t gage Provodnikov’s chin based on withstanding Bradley’s punching power….Posted August 2, 2013 4:16 pm
i detect a lot of faith in the durability of Provodnikov’s chin(?). what is this presumption based on? IMO, Alvarado will be the heaviest hitter that Provodnikov has ever faced. i’m open to being informed otherwise.Posted August 2, 2013 4:10 pm
Agreed. Yes Alvarado likes a good rumble but it’s his corner’s job to get him to show some discipline. Against Provo he needs to box and slug selectively when the time’s right for him. Not just bang away.Posted August 2, 2013 3:23 pm
Alvarado is pretty smart but he his a proud Mexican warrior too, I can see him trying to get respect and throwing his box and move plan out the window from time to time. I hope his corner does him justice and gives him a reality check when he starts fighting flat footed with this Ruslan dude.Posted August 2, 2013 1:06 pm
Gonna be a sick rumble. Keep putting out fights like this and this sport rises up.Posted August 2, 2013 12:15 pm
This author is a baffoon. Fighters need to do whatever it takes to win a fight, not stand and trade to excite armchair quarterbacks, unless that best suits the fighter. This is a good fight IMO. If it turns into a brawl, Provodnikov wins, if it turns into a boxing match, Alvarado wins…. Now tell me why the he k should Alvarado try and please people like this author?Posted August 2, 2013 12:11 pm
Alvarado will make mistake if he decides to bang it out with this Prov dude, throw 3 punch combo and move, BUSTAJAY, you said it brother, this Prov cat will come all night, he lost his last one so he will bring his Sunday punch for this fight.Posted August 2, 2013 11:42 am
Mike has heavy hands but that damn RUSSAIN is insane and will keep marching in to take three to land one.
This will be a good fight but I still see the Russian walking away with the WINPosted August 2, 2013 10:56 am
Ruslan walks right in and takes flush shot, it didn’t matter against Bradley, but against Alarado it will. Ruslan gets knocked out!Posted August 2, 2013 10:13 am
Hidalgo is correct….If Mike tries to slug it out this will not work as the RUSSAIN at 147 is going to sport more power than at 140….I still say this will be a fight of the year and Russian will win in rd 10Posted August 2, 2013 9:34 am
te tumbo, Bradley has a stout chin and the heart to match it. But Ruslan hurt him a lot. I like Alvarado but he’s going to get nailed by Provodnikov. Once Mike feels Prov’s power, look for him to change to the style of fighting he did in his second fight with Rios. Because if he makes it a slug-fest like he did in his first fight with Rios, Alvarado is going to get stopped.Posted August 2, 2013 8:57 am
“When “Mile High” Mike pot-shots Rios from his bicycle, and constantly moves laterally, it’s called “running.” But when FMJ does it in all his fights, it’s explained as the very essence of the sweet science, the art of hitting without being hit, and the most precisely perfect display of boxing skill the world has ever seen.”
Co-sign that. The ropes are also a large part of Floyd’s defense. He intentionally let’s opponents “back him up” to the ropes so he can use them to enhance his shoulder-roll and turtle shell defense as he leans on them. Ali was famous for doing this too. I wish it would be made illegal for a fighter to do this because the ropes allow a fighter to spring back and forth and also provide a base for support. Boxers should not be allowed to have these kinds of aids. Might as well bring a tool into the ring with them.Posted August 2, 2013 8:53 am
I just worry that Mike has been in too many brutal battles back to back. The man has heart but this is going to be a tough fight…..Russian is no joke.Posted August 2, 2013 8:48 am
This’ll be a great fight,cant wait.Posted August 2, 2013 6:48 am
this writer is an idiot. this fight will be epicPosted August 2, 2013 2:52 am
Te Tumbo im not saying he isn’t good or even fan friendly. What he did to Prescott with that busted up lip he had was nice. So don’t take it as I am trying to say he is not good. I like Alvarado. What I am saying is that if he moves like that against Ruslan after the fight Ruslan just had against Bradley, it may cost him the fight. Thats all I was saying. It costed Dirrell the fight against Froch. I am just saying that. Alvarado got heart for days and nobody can take that away from himPosted August 2, 2013 1:00 am
Btw, after taking a look at the cover pix of Alvarado’s busted-up mug, did anybody check for inserts in Rios’ gloves?Posted August 2, 2013 12:27 am
“Unnecessary movement”? so be it but it’s still the best Alvarado could deliver v. a hard-charging and vicious brawler like Rios and he Won, which ultimately cancels-out everything else, but it’s not only the Rios bouts. his grit and execution v. Presscott. his ferocity, determination, and execution v. Herrera and Rios. is defense is porous but he exacts a punishing tax for every opening. he’s not the greatest but very far from a bum. Provodnikov emerged a Mess v. Bradley who is a very good fighter in his own right but if his less-than-lethal punches could Bust-Up Provodnikov the way they did, then Alvarado’s punches should accomplish the same damage four rounds quicker. i’ll be surprised if it goes beyond 10 and a Provodnikov win would be a definite upset.Posted August 2, 2013 12:25 am
And I was just watching those rounds again and he really is just moving to much. He would do good when he got close and then stepped around Rios and kept punching but once he stepped out he just kept moving and moving. Unnecessary movement.Posted August 1, 2013 11:43 pm
Im not saying the fight wasn’t a good fight because I enjoyed it but once he started boxing he just had way to much movement. He utilized the whole ring. He could of easily used half the ring and been out of harms way. It was just wasted movement. Rios is not that swift to be able to catch up to a boxer and moving side to side gives Rios enough problems and that is all he had to do when he started boxing.Posted August 1, 2013 11:36 pm
based on the range he demonstrated in his last performance i’m expecting Alvarado to KO Provodnikov within 10. either way, this bout doesn’t go beyond 10. that will be the mutual threshold considering the pounding that i’m expecting will unfold between these two but i’m expecting Alvarado to outbox and outPunch Provodnikov senseless in 10 or sooner. he’s already displayed the ability to avoid exchanges when he needs too. Provodnikov doesn’t even display that inclination, i.e., lack of hard-earned experience. it’ll be a one-way collision. Provodnikov consistently Slamming into Alvarado’s fists. it’s hard to imagine Alvarado losing this one.Posted August 1, 2013 11:26 pm
“hopefully Alvarado won’t run in circles like he did in his last fight against Rios, because if so then the fight won’t be worth watching”. anybody who thinks Alvarado’s rematch performance and Win v. Rios wasn’t worth watching, doesn’t really know what they were watching. Alvarado’s fight-plan and execution was as flawless as Alvarado could possibly deliver. it was the Best performance of Alvarado’s career. he learned; he adapted; and he executed to the best of His ability. THAT’s what you miss when you don’t know what you were watching.Posted August 1, 2013 11:19 pm
Bustajay- come on are u really asking that? How can you question Alvarado’s heart? That boy has heart. He doesnt mind getting into a war with ANYONE. I BELIEVE Alvarado will take the experience he got from the Rios fight and control the fight against Provodnikov.Posted August 1, 2013 11:18 pm
No it’s not. I explained exactly what he did in that 2nd fight against Rios. He gave off more of the illusion that he was running. He was using too much of the ring. Same thing Khan does. It’s unnecessary movementPosted August 1, 2013 10:48 pm
RUSSIAN DAMN NEAR KILLED BRADLEY ON HIS FEET….BRADLEY WAS KTFO ON HIS FEET.
RUSSIAN WINS LATE TKO RD 10Posted August 1, 2013 10:46 pm
Mick to Rocky, “That Russian is a machine”
Get the DVR ready as this fight will be one hell of a fight for this year.
RUSSIAN WINS WOTH BRUTAL TKO LATE IN RD 10Posted August 1, 2013 10:43 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk – Thats right bro. But try and convince PEEJ otherwise, its a difficult task.Posted August 1, 2013 10:17 pm
All I hear on this site is that Junior is a runner , and or a boring fighter ………..Posted August 1, 2013 9:57 pm
It seems Sorby doesn’t watch boxing…he just reports stats. Bradley is much better fighter than Alvarado and Provodnikov was seconds away of knocking Bradley out. Bradley had to no answer for Provodnikov’s power and foot work. So if anyone thinks this will be an easy fight for Alvarado doesn’t know anything about boxing.Posted August 1, 2013 9:42 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
ERECTAMUNDO: Great point!
When “Mile High” Mike pot-shots Rios from his bicycle, and constantly moves laterally, it’s called “running.” But when FMJ does it in all his fights, it’s explained as the very essence of the sweet science, the art of hitting without being hit, and the most precisely perfect display of boxing skill the world has ever seen.
Of course there’s no double standard involved in that type of twisted, pretzel logic… LOL.Posted August 1, 2013 9:38 pm
I agree with Hidalgo 100% about this article and about the fight. Hope Alvarado at least keeps it competitive for a while and gives us (and his hometown fans) a decent fight…Posted August 1, 2013 9:09 pm
A total mismatch: Alvarado will cut him to bits and knock him out in 6.Posted August 1, 2013 8:52 pm
Its called unnecessary movement.Posted August 1, 2013 8:15 pm
No Floyd does not run, he stands his ground and boxes. What Alvarado did was move all around the ring like Khan does and that gives the impression that he is running. Same thing Dirrell did against Froch which is why it cost him the fight even though he should of got the decision. Floyd does not run around the whole ring. He makes you miss and turns you. That is not running that is boxing.Posted August 1, 2013 8:14 pm
Ruslan is naturally bigger and stronger than Alvardo. His boxing skills are equal to Alvarado’s. My opinion is that Alvarez will not be able to withstand Provodnikov’s power. The only reason Alvarado was able to endure Rios power in their second fight was that he did not engage with Rios like in his first fight. And btw, Alvarado “beat” Rios by a fly hair. Rios knew it too. That’s why he sneered when the decision was announced. Rios would be a much tougher opponent for Provodnikov that Alvarado.
Provodnikov by TKO over Alvarado.Posted August 1, 2013 8:10 pm
Wow, the imbecilic stuff that this Sorby guy writes:
“and the recently beaten Ruslan Provodnikov” So?? Prov nearly beat the tar out of Bradley. But all of a sudden Provodnikov isn’t worth watching?
“It’s a decent fight but hardly what one would call great.” How would you know, Sorby? The fight hasn’t happened yet. My money says Alvarado/Provodnikov most certainly will be a great fight because these two guys are all action. That’s one reason why this fight is being made.
‘Those are way better fights than dragging down a welterweight that was just beaten like Provodnikov and making a big deal out of the fight.’
Draggin down a welterweight? WTF does that mean? How is Provodnikov being dragged down? But please, tell us exactly how Provodnikov “was just beaten.” He nearly knocked Tim Bradley out and he greatly boosted his credibility as a welterweight contender by doing so.
You really have no business writing about boxing Sorby because your knowledge of the sport is very limited.
And btw Sorby, big names don’t always make for great fights.
BTW Sorby, you’re a regular poster on ESB aren’t you? I bet you are. Give me a little time, I’ll figure out who you are..unless you want to tell us all first.Posted August 1, 2013 8:05 pm
Frankly I do not think it will be close. Ruslan by brutal KO. Alvorado is not a boxer. Ruslan knows how throw short punches Alvorado does not.Posted August 1, 2013 7:38 pm
Unless Mike catches Ruslan early, it will be a dog fight. Mike wont be able to keep him at greater than arms length for periods of time ……..Ruslan would have benefited from his fight with Tim , a great learning experience it could have turned out to be ……Posted August 1, 2013 7:20 pm
Thank u – rax. Spot on.Posted August 1, 2013 7:17 pm
the most disturbing trend in the sport at the moment is this insanity that subscribes to the idea that if your not standing toe to toe, your feet planted to the mat, in a phone box trading bombs, then you’re running. its a disgrace.
Ohhhhh, soooo……when Alvarado starts boxing its called running but when Floyd does it hes praised for it….hipocrites.Posted August 1, 2013 7:04 pm
well if Ruslan is in good shape. He burnt himself out early against bradly. Ruslan has the chin to weather Alvarado, but his stamina is in question.Posted August 1, 2013 7:00 pm
I give Ruslan a good chance. When Alvarado started boxing against Rios to me it looked more like running than boxing. If he does that against Ruslan I think Ruslan will winPosted August 1, 2013 6:39 pm
E in Denver
Lol. Nothing like some well balanced & unbiased writing. This is going to be a dog fight at some point. Both guys are very aggressive. The author is right that the rematch w/ Rios didn’t live up to the original. But that is a tall order. Alvarado had to make adjustments to outpoint the younger & more resilient Rios. But the early rounds were still very exciting.Posted August 1, 2013 6:32 pm
Do not agree with this author. This will be a good fight. Alvarado will need his running shoes.Posted August 1, 2013 5:59 pm
slug fest!Posted August 1, 2013 5:23 pm