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TJ

HIDALGO

GOOD POINTS re MARQUEZ… It’s a given he will be more effective now he’s grown into 147, whether it’s against Floyd, Manny, Amir or anyone.

TBH I can’t see DESERT STORM being the same and I think Marquez will be too good and will beat Timothy on a UD in an exciting and competitive out!

Posted August 10, 2013 5:11 pm 


I see Good

Hidalgo I want CANELO to KNOCK OUT Cherrypickers ASS.. Now CHERRYPICKER is Number #1 P4V fighter the GREATEST they say, HAND pick fights makes you look better than you are thats for sure… BUT watch CHERRYPICKER RUN all NIGHT Like PACMAN says he WILL!!!! Now is that a GOOD showing for Number #1 pound for pound fighter in the WORLD????? Cherrypicker wont have the GUTS to FACE CAnelo one on one in the CENTRE of the RING.

Posted August 10, 2013 1:00 pm 


Hidalgo

I See Good, I remember Manny started to go to work on Marquez in the 4th because he thought he had him hurt. But I was so blown away by the KO I don’t even remember what I had the fight scored up to that point in time. Like most people probably were, I was stunned by the viciousness of that KO punch and then Manny just lying there out cold. I’m a big Marquez fan too. And of course I like to watch Manny fight. They’ll never fight again though. There won’t be a Pacquiao/Marquez V. Arum is gonna make a couple of more fights –depending on how he fares against Rios–and a bunch more millions of $$$ then Pacquaio will retire, I think.

Posted August 10, 2013 12:33 pm 


I see Good

Hildalgo I AM A MARQEZ FAN his BIGGEST. I love the GUY.. But watching that lAST fight MANNY was getting the better of MARQUEZ I had PACMAN winning that fight till he GOT KTFO.

Posted August 9, 2013 3:26 pm 


Hidalgo

Oh, wait. Marquez is with Top Rank now. Won’t happen.

Posted August 9, 2013 11:00 am 


Hidalgo

TJ, if Bradley isn’t smart, Marquez will take him out. I still want to see Marquez rematch Mayweather, however. I don’t care what anyone says, this new Marquez is a different boxer than he was when he was a first-time “welterweight” fighting Mayweather. Marquez fights much better now as a welterweight. I’m really wondering if a rematch might be one of Mayweather’s next four fights after Alvarez?

Posted August 9, 2013 10:58 am 


TJ

TE TUMBO

SORRY, I MEANT the fourth bout with PAC.

Posted August 9, 2013 3:10 am 


TJ

TE TUMBO

Btw, Marquez was pumped-up for III yet i believe i was the only one who marveled at his physical appearance, which i had seen up close and personal at the race track a week before.

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR, DINAMITA was also pumped up for his bout before the third meeting with PACMAN, altho I can’t remember who the guy was he fought… but I think it was SEDCHENKO – JUAN laboured in that bout, but it got him ready for PAC!!!!

In that bout he looked musclebound and stiff and was probably just using it as a run out to get used to his new frame.

BTW if TIMOTHY BRADLEY elects to stand and trade with DINAMITA I predict he will get KO’d …. I watched his bout again against PROVODNIKOV and he took the sort of career-ending punches in the first few round and the last few rounds…

I think it was in the second round he did the HERKY-JERK reminiscent of SMOKIN’ JOE FRAXZIER (RIP) when he got tagged by BIG GEORGE FOREMAN and was up and down like a yo-yo!!!

Posted August 9, 2013 3:06 am 


Gonzo the Malevolent

Edit> Break loose

Posted August 8, 2013 7:51 pm 


Gonzo the Malevolent

Thank you Brother Hidalgo. Actually you can do me a favour while you’re petitioning the mods.. see if you can get them to try and do something about people’s posts not appearing after they’ve spent an eon typing them out. I’ve just penned a long one in another thread that mysteriously hasn’t shown up yet. Luckily experience has taught me to copy my posts before I hit the submit button but if ain’t here tomorrow all hell is going to brake loose. lol

Posted August 8, 2013 7:50 pm 


ANON

Pathetic……pathetic…….pathetic………

Posted August 8, 2013 6:33 pm 


Hidalgo

“Thank you Brother Turbo-Hamster. I’m a veritable gold mine so I am.

LOL yes, that wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.. I mean we already know young PEEJ has major problems controlling his sexual urges towards certain other farmyard animals of the feathered egg-laying variety so I’m sure it wouldn’t be much of a stretch for him to turn his attentions to the rest of the livestock too. lol”

Gonzo, that’s it! I am petitioning the ESB website moderators to enact a website law that will prohibit you from making me laugh so friggin’ hard. I mean really, I have to take a breath some time.

Now, carry on.

Posted August 8, 2013 6:25 pm 


Gonzo the Malevolent

Thank you Brother Turbo-Hamster. I’m a veritable gold mine so I am.

LOL yes, that wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.. I mean we already know young PEEJ has major problems controlling his sexual urges towards certain other farmyard animals of the feathered egg-laying variety so I’m sure it wouldn’t be much of a stretch for him to turn his attentions to the rest of the livestock too. lol

Posted August 8, 2013 1:51 pm 


Ryan Dunn

@te tumbo

True.

But Marquez did not do himself any favors when he hired Angel Hernandez, Marion Jones’s old drug supplier to be his strength and conditioning coach, then appeared in the ring looking like a silverback gorilla with a sudden punching power that was not in evidence up until this fight.

Was it Pacquiao slowing down, going off his own PED’s? Losing his edge? Or was it Marquez jacked up on HGH and EPO and Testosterone? Both? Neither?

I dunno. But questions linger.

I’m more concerned about how all the fighters and promoters who are gung ho about doing testing now have decided not to use WADA or USADA, but instead VADA. I am not a paranoid person, but something doesn’t smell right.

…ryan

Posted August 8, 2013 1:50 pm 


te tumbo

RYAN, Thanks for sharing what is most likely the boring truth of the situation. however, that wouldn’t satisfy Pacquiao*-worshipping fanboys if the same situation was unfolding in Rios’ or Marquez’s camps. they would insist on suspense, drama, intrigue, i.e., a sinister soap-opera plot that sanctifies Pacquiao* “the Pious and Humble” over another one of Satan’s minions n the rival camp (lol). i think it’s just Classic how all of their pissin and moanin v. Mayweather and Marquez has hit a great wind and is now being sprayed all over their stupefied faces.

Posted August 8, 2013 10:59 am 


Ryan Dunn

PED’s speculation aside, it allegedly went more like this…

FREDDY: “Manny, I want to get rid of Alex. He is a disruption in camp. Miguel said he won’t be your cutman if Alex is around.”

MANNY: “You’re the boss, Freddy. You hired him.”

*Freddy then fires him.*

…ryan

Posted August 8, 2013 10:24 am 


Supreme Court

Hey Anonymouse,
You can impersonate the Supreme Court all you want, you don’t hae the brain to be successful…
The Highest Court is unique….
Remember this:
” The ship follows the shepherd…”

Posted August 8, 2013 8:26 am 


Tyrone Jones

actually it went something like this: if you fire Ariza then we will fire Memo Heredia (an admitted steroid dealer).

Posted August 8, 2013 7:53 am 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Interesting points Supreme Court!!!!!

Posted August 8, 2013 7:40 am 


Supreme Court

What a coincidence!
Ariza, Manny Chemical Pacquiao’s “physical conditioner” is fired at the exact moment Pacquiao agrees and signs for Random Blood Testing, a test he had consistently turned down for years!
Wow!
The World will witness in November, the true Pacquiao, the fighter who scammed the world.
You will see a Pacquiao gassing out… on his bike
You will see a Pacquiao saving energy, fighting 1 min out of 3…
You might see another brutal decapitation…
The key to the fight will be whether Rios is drained or not. Rios is Bigger and he is no weight-drained Margarito …..

“Le Monde assistera en direct a la deuxieme decapitation de l’escroc du siecle: Manny Pacquiao.”

Posted August 8, 2013 7:29 am 


TJ

Hidalgo
“Remember this was the period when Floyd was running round with his little friend CURTIS ,who wanted to learn how to box at his gym…”

TJ, to my memory Fiddy Cent was a pretty fair amateur boxer. In any case, he does know how to box.

YES, I know 50 used to box amateur – but in comparison to the Mayweathers he doesn’t know s_it… It’s just like Mayweather hd his own music label and tunes, but in comparison to 50 he doesn’t know sh-t in his field…

Horses for courses…..

He was trying to learn the game under their wing (which includes all aspects of the fight game – is what i meant)!!!

Posted August 8, 2013 3:03 am 


Turbo-Hamster

@hidalgo….fair enough, I will impose a character limit upon myself :)

It`s just that subject like beast rape bring out the poet in me.

Posted August 8, 2013 2:26 am 


Hidalgo

“PURE GOLD, brother Gonzo, only added to by the certainty that young PEEJ has decided to attempt to prevent this by pulling off every yorkshire pig within a 10 mile radius, in the hope that his providing manual satisfaction of their lustful urges will prevent them turning their porcine, rapacious eyes upon his fair mother.”

Okay, knock it off with the big words! This is a boxing forum! :)

Besides, nameless wets himself everytime he’s subjected to such stress.

Posted August 8, 2013 2:07 am 


Adrian

Peej- PEEJ

“Once again if he is holding how is he landing way more punches than his opponent? You can’t throw or land punches if your holding. You should try that with a heavy bag. Hold it and try to hit it at the same time and see if you are able to do it.”

Are you ok dude ? Mayweather dosent land on the inside and in the ropes he holds , he counterpunches in the middle of the ring most off the time ,don’t try to make mayweather a Marciano or Fraiser type of a boxer, please spare us from your mayweather love …

Posted August 7, 2013 10:40 pm 


Hidalgo

“Remember this was the period when Floyd was running round with his little friend CURTIS ,who wanted to learn how to box at his gym…”

TJ, to my memory Fiddy Cent was a pretty fair amateur boxer. In any case, he does know how to box.

Posted August 7, 2013 10:06 pm 


de Lima I.

Oops ! I was overtired. I meant to post here on ESB.

Posted August 7, 2013 7:13 pm 


PEEJ

Like I said you no nothing about boxing and you can only retort to insults.

Posted August 7, 2013 7:12 pm 


Gonzo the Malevolent

I sincerely hope a serial killer murders you and your entire family tonight. And I pray that it’s as gruesome and bloody as hell too.

Posted August 7, 2013 5:22 pm 


Gonzo the Malevolent

ROFL Brother Turbo-Hamster. Here’s another 150,000 of my own ESB ranking points to add on your already impressive tally.

150,000 ESB ranking points

Posted August 7, 2013 5:15 pm 


DoNavan

Adrian, I guess you have some confusion. Floyd hold on the ropes all night long. Thats no secret. Is it smart, yep. Is it fouling all night so you dont have to fight off ropes, yep. Was floyd on his way out against Mose, yep- holding for dear life with all the help from the ref– yep

Posted August 7, 2013 2:57 pm 


DoNavan

Peej, cat got your tongue? guess that was to hard of a question to ask for you, but then again there is no answer for you

Posted August 7, 2013 2:09 pm 


TJ

Moonshineman
Here is my position with Pacquiao vs Little Floyd. Money is one thing, Little Floyd’s legecy is another. If he continues to run from Pacquiao (His friend 50 Cent verifyed LF is afraid of Pacquiao), he will be remembered as the guy who ran from Pacquiao for 4 years.

I think Little Floyd has at least a 50/50 chance of not getting knocked out by Pacquiao. The money is there. I don’t understand why LF is soo afraid.

Posted August 7, 2013 12:10 pm

MOONSHINE,

I WAS CHATTING with my friend CORNELIUS BOZA-EDWARDS and I raised the subject of FLOYD vs MANNY (this was just days before Floyd announced he was coming back against a young gun in VICIOUS VICTOR ORTIZ)!!!!

I was surprised because i thought Corny would change his demeanour and perhaps get angry at me raising the subject, but no – he was so matter of fact about the outcome it had me a believer.

He told me plain and simple that Floyd would outbox Manny and it would be far easier than most people would think it would be…. The matter of fact way Corny replied to me, you would have thought I was asking him if he wanted relish to go on his burger.

He thought it would be like a glorified sparring session.

Remember this was the period when Floyd was running round with his little friend CURTIS ,who wanted to learn how to box at his gym… I was there!

I’ve never forgotten that day, because Corny is one of the quietest and most honest men in the business and he’s told me about all the great boxers he either fought against, roomed with or is friends with that are having problems with their health in their retirement and none of us so-called fans actually give a damn, but boo like demented sheep if we don’t see any action for 10 seconds!

He told me straight out and his eyes weren’t lying – Pacquiao would not only be an easy fight – but it would be a boring fight also!

I’ve not forgotten!

Posted August 7, 2013 1:39 pm 


Delk1

GONZO, why don’t you lace up the gloves and go kick Mayweathers A-s, and make it exciting too. I don’t won’t to fall asleep by the 3rd round. LOL

Posted August 7, 2013 1:14 pm 


123=VI

LF is so scare of real 147 fighters he ONLY fights fighters who are coming up from 135-140 that’s why he is known throughout the world as the #1p4p CHERRYPICKER, he fought Cotto at the 154 but was bloodied and was hit a lot and because Cotto is NOT the same undefeated 147 pounder he use to be-Thanks to Magarito and Pacman, with Canelo he was F O R C E by Showtime……..tell me of ONE real 147 legit fighter that Floyd has fought since he became a welterweight, just one.

Posted August 7, 2013 12:30 pm 


Tyrone Jones

He’s real good at pushing, pulling, and hooking with his elbows. For instance refs like Cortez will let him repeatedly smash an opponent’s head and neck down with elbow and forearm; or as seen in many Google images, grab Hatton’s left glove with his right elbow while smashing Hatton’s face with his left elbow.

Posted August 7, 2013 12:11 pm 


Moonshineman

Here is my position with Pacquiao vs Little Floyd. Money is one thing, Little Floyd’s legecy is another. If he continues to run from Pacquiao (His friend 50 Cent verifyed LF is afraid of Pacquiao), he will be remembered as the guy who ran from Pacquiao for 4 years.

I think Little Floyd has at least a 50/50 chance of not getting knocked out by Pacquiao. The money is there. I don’t understand why LF is soo afraid.

Posted August 7, 2013 12:10 pm 


PEEJ

Once again if he is holding how is he landing way more punches than his opponent? You can’t throw or land punches if your holding. You should try that with a heavy bag. Hold it and try to hit it at the same time and see if you are able to do it.

Posted August 7, 2013 10:32 am 


TJ

BRUCE
AT LEAST 90 PERCENT OF ALL BOXERS TODAY ARE ON PEDS.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:30 am

THEN LET’S GET RID of 90% of boxers!

Posted August 7, 2013 9:26 am 


TJ

TARK
@TJ…., I actually think it’s 70% Mayweather supporters vs 30% haters.. The haters are always more vocal and they think most people come to hate on Floyd. They’re dead wrong.

TARK

As soon as I posted it I started to have muy own doubts – I had been in the office from 7am til gone 7pm, so was a little frayed….

The sad thing is most people don’t seem to be able to appreciate both men involved in a fight…. We have to try and be objective when we write and also to accept we can all make mistakes!

Posted August 7, 2013 8:10 am 


Adrian

Peej wrote-“Floyd doesn’t hold. How is Floyd landing more punches that his opponents if he is holding all night. And it takes 2 to hold. If a fighter is holding all the other fighter has to do is punch, his hands are free. And if he is being held to where he is unable to punch then make the attempts to punch and the fighter holding will be penalized by the ref. Holding would be what John Ruiz did.”

Lol you are delusional my friend …it’s simple mayweather holds for dear life in the rops because he dosent want to risk anything wich is a smart thing to do of course and I don’t blame him but saying here mayweather dosent hold shows how “objective” you are when it comes to Floyd’s criticism ….

Posted August 7, 2013 6:11 am 


de Lima I.

@ Old Coot

This nonsense is the reason why I don’t like to post here.

GN

Posted August 7, 2013 4:32 am 


DoNavan

Peej, if that was for me then lets talk boxing. Like Mundo, you are a numbers man, but you dont like to look and really study the quality behind those numbers. Floyd is undefeated, can you give me one super fight that equals the great bouts that are well desreved in the hall of fame and will be a joy to watch 30 years from now. Please offer the board some of that keen knowledge and throw down.

Posted August 7, 2013 4:09 am 


DoNavan

Mundo. NO he was just a goof ball

Posted August 7, 2013 4:05 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

DoNavan-Well that goofball was CORRECT.

Posted August 7, 2013 3:53 am 


Stevo

Gonzo is one of best things about this place. He provides great comedy value of course, but make no mistake about it he really knows his stuff when it comes to the serious business as well.

Posted August 7, 2013 3:10 am 


PEEJ

I’ve seen you lose plenty of debates. Once you’ve been proven wrong you start to insult folks. Maybe it’s your insomnia, I’m not really sure. If you don’t watch his fights then you have no clue how his fights go and seems like you only read what other haters post about him. I have really never heard you talk or debate boxing, you only insult which really just shows your boxing knowledge, which is none

Posted August 7, 2013 1:47 am 


DoNavan

Wrongamundo, A goof ball once said that he knew what boxing was and Floyd Mayweather was the best he had ever seen.

Posted August 7, 2013 1:45 am 


Gonzo the Enlightened

Lol Brother Turbo-Hamster. With each passing day he’s also starting to bear more and more of a physical resemblance to that crochety old hideous coot too. Why do you think he dropped the ‘Pretty Boy’ moniker? lol. Imagine how poor little Bieber felt that time in the back of Floyd’s Hummer when Fiddy pistol-whipped him with his fake replica Glock and forced him to nosh on Floyd’s bone while he slipped one of his grubby little digits up his backdoor. lol

Posted August 7, 2013 12:09 am 


Turbo-Hamster

The thing you have to remember about Floyd is that he is a reflection of the ingredients that went into him.

He is 50% jibbering crack-daddy jizz.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:58 pm 


Gonzo the Enlightened

Told you I suffer bad from insomnia. I’m always half asleep when I post on here, which is something that makes my immaculate record of never having lost a single debate on here even more impressive.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:54 pm 


Gonzo the Enlightened

And stick a U in the forth

Posted August 6, 2013 11:53 pm 


Gonzo the Enlightened

Edit> remove one ‘he’s also’

Posted August 6, 2013 11:52 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

A WISE man once told me that passion and apathy cannot coexist and he was CORRECT on that. SO with all of the passion coming out in Bozo’s posts its obvious that he cares.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:28 pm 


PEEJ

Yes Floyd will be remember, takled about and missed. You can bet on that. Its funny you have so much hate for him especially for someone who says he doesn’t watch him. You sure do know a lot about him.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:07 pm 


TARK

Supreme Court aka nincompoop

No U turn… You’re another guy with no appreciation of sarcasm or nuance. One has to get down to the lowest common denominator with this crowd.

Floyd has obviously fought great fighters and yes he is the GOAT. Plain enough?

Posted August 6, 2013 7:48 pm 


TARK

DoNavan…

I didn’t say Mayweathe beat bums… He beat some great fighters… You miss the nuances… I was making fun of the previous 2 posts and quoting guys who lived in Zu Zu Land and their thoughtless, hateful comments.

No room for nuance here I suppose.

Posted August 6, 2013 7:20 pm 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoopcide

Anonymous is trolling this thread…
The last post is not from Te Tumbo…

L’imbecile se cache derriere son clavier dans un sous sol poubelle….

Posted August 6, 2013 7:11 pm 


te tumbo

I swallowed Mayweathers Hot Chocolate!!!

Posted August 6, 2013 7:08 pm 


Old Coot

@ de Lima I. So in you book, you saying, quote “the more fans you have the more haters”, that is YOU being, quote- “objective”, and is NOT speaking for everybody? Really?

Posted August 6, 2013 7:06 pm 


Old Coot

“I’m guessing”

Posted August 6, 2013 7:02 pm 


Old Coot

@ de Lima I.: Oh EYE see, I can’t have an educated opinion after boxing some and 40+ years of being an avid fan who studies the numbers and professional opinins. Yet I’m guessy you are one who think Floyd was perfectly right to accuse Pacquiao of totally unfounded PED use, then made BS, smokescreen test demands, despite ZERO evidence!!

Posted August 6, 2013 7:01 pm 


Old Coot

@de Lima I.: Oh EYE see… So my being an avid boxing fan for some 40+ years, who boxed some, who talks boxing constantly, and studies the EVIDENCE and numbers and professional opinions, doesn’t give me the right to make an, IMHO, well-educated guess? Really?!

Yet I bet you are one of those who thinks all those who think Floyd is right to accuse Manny of cheating and make unprecedented and unfounded demands with ZERO evidence, THEY are credible? Gimme a break.

Posted August 6, 2013 6:45 pm 


Old Coot

@ Tomato Can: By “getting caught” I meant both having the heart, agility, footwork and speed to walk Floyd down, and hit him, mainly because Manny throws nearly twice as many punches on average per round, which even Floyd’s great defense can’t protect him from… Plus, Marques can take three shots to give one, however, I just don’t think Floyd can handle Manny’s onslaught the way Marques can, nor does Floyd throw enough, or hit hard enough to keep Manny off him. Not to mention Floyd getting caught by a guy who is Floyd’s equal or better on offense, with more power in two gloves vs Floyd’s mostly right glove, is really dangerous! Even for Floyd.

Posted August 6, 2013 6:29 pm 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoopcide

Tark:
I can’t help to seeing your spectacular U-turn after Mayweather#Canelo…
Remember what the legendary Old Yank said about you:
Tark has a fine boxing head, but a flawed mouth attached to it…

Tark comprendra, a ses depends au lendemain du combat, qu’il n’est qu’un mediocre analyste….

Posted August 6, 2013 6:25 pm 


Tomato Can

OLD COOT, anyone can be caught. But when I bet boxing I don’t bet on chances. Manny would have a chance to catch Mayweather, and good, but Mayweather being the better fighter that he is, would take control of the fight, and transistion Manny in to a leaping, and misfiring mess, by the 5th round. At that point Mayweather would proceed to dismantle and pot shot manny into humility. It would be worse than his recent KO loss, and leave Manny depressed without the excuse that he got hit by a lucky punch. On the same token, if Mayweather were to get caught by Manny. Mayweather could use Manny’s excuse, of it was a lucky punch. “Hey things like that happen in boxing”….

Posted August 6, 2013 6:05 pm 


Old Coot

Manny and Floyd are nearly equal in amatuer experience, but Manny has closer to two dozen more pro fights than Floyd… So I doubt Floyd is more schooled.

Posted August 6, 2013 6:04 pm 


Tomato Can

Pacquiao is a great fighter, but the more schooled fighter by far is Mayweather. Any purest will tell you that. Heck even Manny will tell you that.

Posted August 6, 2013 5:58 pm 


Old Coot

@ Tomato Can: In case you didn’t notice… Hatton, ODL, Cotto and even Ortiz, all caught Floyd on the ropes… And both Oscar, and Cotto landed some really good shots. No to mention, they were only one handed power-punchers… And if you also notice, whenever Floyd is on the ropes, he becomes so concerned with and staying unscathed, due to his shoulder roll defense, (which he has mainly perfected for right-handers only) that he almost forgets his offense… A good move against a one-fisted power puncher, but not a two gunned, one like Pacquiao who knows how to attack, who punches in bunches, just as fast or faster, than Floyd, from unconventional angles, with power, and who rarely tires. Trust me… Even FLOYD knows Pacman can catch him… AND GOOD!!

And don’t gimme the Floyd beat Marquez who KO’d Pacman argument either… Had Marquez been used to gaining ten pounds in muscle mass when he faced Floyd *(which slowed him down greatly), and had Floyd ever tried to actually FIGHT Marquez like Manny ALWAYS does… Marquez would have given Floyd all he could stand… In fact, now that Floyd seems to try to stand and fight a little more, I for one would like to see a re-match between Floyd and this new, bulkier, faster, Marquez! See what happens THEN!

Posted August 6, 2013 5:54 pm 


srminimo

Vivek- I’m not sure the debate about May being a bigger draw than Pac is that clear-cut. Mayweather may garner more interest in the US, but I would say Pacquiao is still a bigger name around the world, and certainly in Asia. Arum seems to have discovered the wild wild east over there in China, where he can sell PPV at a much smaller fee and still make the big bucks with sheer numbers. And Pacquiao is a figure that has transcended boxing and sports in a way that Mayweather never has, or will. In that respect Pac is closer to Ali or Elvis.

Posted August 6, 2013 5:53 pm 


Tomato Can

“The Ghost was the biggest cherry pick of them all”, When fans call current champions, mulit division champions, and recent champions cherry picks, whats that really say about the sport? There’s a lot of fighters who’ll never come close to what Guerrero accomplished in the sport, yet Guerrero is not worthy of fighting Mayweather. How can that be? The fact is Guerrero earned his shot at Mayweather. I’m not buying the cherry pick claims. Truthfully fans who keep saying Mayweather has beat nothing but old fighers and cherry picks, really are saying Mayweather is to good to fight most fighters out there. Cause no one currently in the sport is fighting better opposition, as a whole. No one has a better resume, yet he’s a cherry picker. I guess everyone else in the sport are cherry pickers too.

Posted August 6, 2013 5:47 pm 


Old Coot

@ de Lima I.: Yeah whatever… Here’s the bottom line in a nutshell… Pacquiao’s near record-level PPV buys and popularity are simply because, win or lose people STILL pay BIG to see Pacquiao fight… By contrast, Mayweather’s record-level PPV buys are because MOST don’t pay BIG because they necessarily wanna see Floyd fight, as much as they just wanna be there to witness someone shut him up!

The verdict?-

NO contest… Pacman’s brand of PPV popularity wins, HANDS DOWN!!

Posted August 6, 2013 5:37 pm 


Tomato Can

Pacquiao just admitted Mayweather would have the advantage against him. Pac’s only chance would be to catch him like he did Ricky Hatton. At this stage that isn’t going to happen.

Posted August 6, 2013 5:35 pm 


DoNavan

Tark, I agree with you, Mayweather didnt beat bums, he won over the hill names which regesters as exactly that. I have a hard time accepting worn out fighrers like gatti baldimore mosely and hoya as great quest. Mayweathe is about 12 years too late with those fighters. The Ortiz blunder and the peek a boo act with the Pacman make mayweather a chump not a champ. The ghost was the biggest cherry pick of all and was a pathetic bount to say the least. Tark you poor man, all your chips on a chump and you want to hold him high. You can have him and when he is done, boxing can throw away that stain.

Posted August 6, 2013 4:44 pm 


TARK

The last 2 posts….

“Mayweather’s petty resentment” and “beating bums like they were somebody.”

Right!!! … Living in Zu Zu Land.

Posted August 6, 2013 4:20 pm 


Old Coot

I think it bears worth repeating how it seems to me, that it’s been crystal clear practically since the time Pacquiao was first floated as perhaps the one true threat to Mayweather’s, I believe partly hand-picked and overrated, undefeated record, that since way back then, Mayweather’s every move toward or statement against Pacquiao, is obviously based upon Mayweather’s petty resentment that Manny actually not only had the gall to dare to show up possessing the TRUE heart, skill, temperament, AND, yes, the popularity, to not only play in Floyd’s sandbox, but to possibly have had, and STILL may yet have, what it takes to finally kick Floyd completely out of it!

Posted August 6, 2013 4:05 pm 


end of time

Tark: Floyd is far from being the best fighter in the world. Too there no hate at all. I myself find Floyd entertaining like a clown at a circus. Boxing needs people like Floyd to spark things up. Floyd fools only lovers like yourself. I myself love boxing especially the drama of a fighter running from anouther and attempting beating bums like they were somebody.

Posted August 6, 2013 3:34 pm 


end of time

Anonymous: sorry I did read into it. NO thang. thxx

Posted August 6, 2013 3:31 pm 


TARK

@TJ…., I actually think it’s 70% Mayweather supporters vs 30% haters.. The haters are always more vocal and they think most people come to hate on Floyd. They’re dead wrong.

Most people who show up just like Boxing and know Floyd is the number one fighter in the world — and has been for many years. It’s as simple as that… There’s no vast army of haters out there.

As the 2012 election grew closer Romney supporters were confident of victory… “This is America” they said, “Most Americans don’t support Obama or his policies.” They thought voter suppression would work. Then election night comes and Obama wins by an electoral landslide… The Romney people are shocked and dumbfounded.. They act as if they never saw the polls leading up to the election.. How stupid can they be? They claim the takers wanted Obama in and the makers backed Romney.

The turned reality on it’s head… The takers caused the Great Depression and the Great Recession, but they can’t get their arms around that …. Same thing with Floyd “running” and doing all this othe stuff they dream up … About 40% of the world lives in Zu Zu Land… They either hate — or they believe everything the haters say.

Posted August 6, 2013 3:26 pm 


Anonymous

Canelo is not going to 147 and Marquez although an ATG is of no consequence in the wwt division, he’s simply too small

Posted August 6, 2013 2:55 pm 


Boxe0

If Canelo comes down to 147 JMM will make him silly.

Posted August 6, 2013 2:48 pm 


Anonymous

end of time, you must have misread my post….i said he’s trained and taught well, he’s disciplined and is good at many facets of the science, surrounded by an era of big money and lazy fighters…no where did i say he was great…i’ll leave that to each person to their opinion of him. but i’m a fan of boxing not just one fighter , and give credit where credit is due, nothing more nothing less, been following boxing since 1955 and have been fan of many but never idolized or worshiped any fighter or athlete

Posted August 6, 2013 2:33 pm 


Junio

Is Canelo Alvarez a tougher opponent than Brandon Rios, JMM, Tim Bradley

I think so.

Posted August 6, 2013 2:27 pm 


end of time

Anonymous: Floyd is where he is because he was handed the first fight with Castillo and cherry picked the rest of the way. His record fools nobody. Yea he made money and thats what he suppose to do. Yes he a great figher as those in the hall of fame NOPE. He shamed boxing with the ortiz clown show and the years of running like a little girl in a spooky forrest.

Posted August 6, 2013 2:12 pm 


TJ

Anonymous
The reason FMJ has it made is because he’s trained and taught old school in an era of big paydays and lazy fighters, right place, right time, excellant discipline and training. he’s good at many facets of the science, not just a couple like most fighters

SPOT ON ANONYMOUS…GOOD POST

He’s also surrounded by the best team in the sport from his father and uncle, to the likes of Al Haymon and Leonard Ellerbe, these guys learned that you got to be both tight nit and professional if you want to achieve longevity in the sport.

Roger was a two weight world champion fighting some of the best boxers of his era and has forgotten more than most trainers ever knew!

The Money Team has no equal at this moment in time!

Posted August 6, 2013 2:01 pm 


Anonymous

The reason FMJ has it made is because he’s trained and taught old school in an era of big paydays and lazy fighters, right place, right time, excellant discipline and training. he’s good at many facets of the science, not just a couple like most fighters

Posted August 6, 2013 1:26 pm 


Tyrone Jones

Numbers spat out by men and woman are usually lies

Posted August 6, 2013 1:18 pm 


de Lima I.

Like him or not, but FMJ has more marketability and can generate more $ than anyone else.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:34 am 


Ryan Dunn

@Tomato Can

According to SI’s Chris Mannix, the Pacquiao/Bradley fight did just over 900k buys. Now, you’re right, he may be getting that intel from a Promoter, or some such, but that’s the best we have to go off.

Even if there are discrepancies in the digits themselves, my 5 fight comparison is worth looking at and not dismissing. I get the sense that maybe you are shifting the argument toward a personal critique.

All I’m trying to evidence is that Floyd and Manny are clearly the top two boxers making money in the sport today. They are the top two draws by a wide margin, and it irks me when people create a false reality and claim that one is far superior.

Both of them are on the Highest Paid Athlete list year after year, right? Money May has a much better set up having left Top Rank, so he sees a lot more of the profit after each fight, but they both bring excitement and $$$ to the sport, regardless of anything else.

…ryan

Posted August 6, 2013 11:32 am 


BRUCE

AT LEAST 90 PERCENT OF ALL BOXERS TODAY ARE ON PEDS.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:30 am 


TARK

Turbo-Hamster…., Low marketability could mean a number of things

It could mean there’s nobody in your weight class to fight … It could mean you haven’t taken the time to learn English … It could mean you’re a jerk who even members of your own family avoid … It could mean you never get punched, and you don’t punch hard yourself, so your fights are as predictable and eventful as the sun setting in the west

It could be that Andre Ward has the first and last of these problems. Maybe Mikey Garcia has the first of these problems.

But it usually means you can’t fight very well, or your boxing skills are poor, or you just can’t get the right fights, like maybe GGG can’t.

Posted August 6, 2013 11:13 am 


Tomato Can

Peej, the only time anyone believes Rafeal is when people agree with what he has to say.

Posted August 6, 2013 10:21 am 


Tomato Can

To be fair, the Mayweather/Gatti fight was the beginning of the end of Mayweather and Top Rank. Gatti may have gotten the larger purse, but Mayweather was alegedly promised things he didn’t recieve.

Posted August 6, 2013 10:20 am 


Happyboy

Perhhaps yu can enlighten us n give us any fighter with the better fruits in a rw.

Posted August 6, 2013 10:17 am 


PEEJ

Well I can’t believe Rafeal cause most time he is full if crap and he used to be on Arims pay roll. So if that’s where you are getting your info the I definitely disagree. Also they never released the numbers for the Bradley vs Pac fight

Posted August 6, 2013 10:10 am 


Ryan Dunn

@Octavius

Personally, I liked the Guerrero match-up. On paper it looked to be exciting (at least to me). I just think that, if Rafael is to be believed, by Floyd’s standard… that PPV event underperformed.

I am excited to see what Canelo has to offer the PPV audience. He has enjoyed a swift path to the spotlight and fought some great opponents on his way to his moment.

But can he solve the Mayweather Enigma? We will see.

…ryan

Posted August 6, 2013 9:40 am 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

Correct if I’m wrong; but wasn’t Guerrero Floyd’s mandatory challenge in order for him to keep his 147 title??? Yeah; it was a slam dunk win; but if he didn’t fight him the same folks talking about he was cherrypicked would have swore to GOD that he ducked him because of the way he beat Berto!!!! Guess you will always have your HATERS. It is what it is!!!!!

Posted August 6, 2013 8:58 am 


BOXING MACHINE

AT THE END OF THE DAY YPU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT FLOYD IS BITTER AT BON ARUM, HE STILL OWES FLOYD MONEY, I WON’T HET INTO WHY, ANYONE WHO’S BEEN FOLLOWING KNOWS WHY AND IT’S FROM BEFORE PAC WAS IN THE PICTURE. BUT HE’S ALSO BITTER BECAUSE HE FEELS LIKE ARUM RUINED THE FIGHT AND TRIED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HIM AMD THAT PAC DIDN’T TAKE CONTROL. HE KEPT SAYIN I DON’T “NEED” PAC. NOW HE WANTS TO PROVE IT OUT OF SPITE. AND NOW TOU SEE WHO NEEDS WHO. THE MONEY TEAM IS CONSTANTLY SAYING “NO FIGHT!” WHILE TOP RANK IS NOW PRACTICALLY BEGGING FOR IT, SAYING THEY’LL AGREE TO EVERYTHING, DRUG TESTING AND THE SUGGESTED PURSR SPLIT AND FLOYD IS SAYING “NO, YOU WANNA FIGHT ME? MY LAST OFFER IS GONE, NOW YOU GOTTA SIGN TO ME”, OH WELL, YOU CAN’T PASS UP ON A CAR SALE BCUZ YOU THINK IT’S NOT A GOOD SALE, THEN FALL ON HARD TIME AND GO TO THE DEALER AFTER THE SALE LIKE “HEY REMEMBER YOU SAID THE CAR WAS 20,000?..,I’LL TALE IT NOW” LOL, HE’LL SAY NO, BUT YOU CAN GET IT FOR THE NEW PRICE OF….WHO NEEDS WHO NOW?

Posted August 6, 2013 8:55 am 


Hidalgo

“he will go down in history with a * by his name. Not because he used steroids but because he picked lemmons to build a legacy.”

Guerrero was one particularly sour fruit. Floyd has “eaten” several others on his rise to the top.

Posted August 6, 2013 7:49 am 


Hidalgo

“Floyd doesn’t hold.” He does when he gets hurt. Ask Shane Mosley. But that’s about it. So far.

Posted August 6, 2013 7:47 am 


maracho

Vivic, what do you mean by “not gonna happen ladies & gents”? Splitting the promotional revenues four ways is how it usually happens when top fighters fight each other these days. Plus, you know darn well that Manny is already contacted under both Arum and Golden Boy yet you now think he can just go and take more cuts and lawsuits by signing with Mayweather? Try also to consider the fact that foreign fighters have to automatically take a 30% cut for the IRS. And dont forget that half of the proceeds go to the cable/sattlelite providers and networks. Then on top of that you believe that Manny’s purse should be the lower of a 35/65 split? What recesses do your double standards come from, especially considering that Mayweather’s biggest recent PPV came via fighting Cotto who had just got KO’d by Pacman.

Posted August 6, 2013 5:06 am 


maracho

Of course in such a follow the crowd on the side of winning mob mentality society, a network promoter will be tempted to inflate PPVs. Not only that but exaggerating a fighter’s drawing power gives their franchises a bargaining chip against non-contracted fighters.

Posted August 6, 2013 5:05 am 


Turbo-Hamster

TARK/Herron you are arguing as though Skills/titles and Viewers/Marketability are mutually exclusive, which they are not.

But the point does remain that marketability opens doors for you, where skills do not. In fact skills + low marketability has you right in the “who needs him club”.

Fighters can recognise this and ignore it, or fail to acknowledge it, as they please but it then means going the looong way around.

Posted August 6, 2013 5:04 am 


boxing barlow

The reality is with Khan he does still bring more to the table, win, loose or draw than the likes of Alexander. Alexanders biggest fight against Bradley was a total wash out. All Khans fights seem to be exciting, even if its only the ‘will he get knocked out’ factor. And lets face it if we’re really being honest he beat Peterson, and he was whooping Garcia until he got clocked. All Khans recent fights up until he stepped down a level have been exciting to watch and you just know as soon as he steps back up to the Alexander level we’re in for more nail biting stuff. Alexander on the other hand? Well he really needs to be in with another exciting fighter to really get the boxing publics attention. I hate to say it but there are others in the same bracket. Bradley, Peterson, Berto, Ward, Dawson, are/were poor draws in the sport. If Andre Ward steps down a level for an easy fight with the likes of a Sakio Bika are the fans drooling? Nah, but when someone like Froch goes in with a lesser fighter you know your going to see fireworks! And there’s the important factor. Khan brings the fireworks, Alexander does not. Also Khan brings the global muslim support as well as some Brit fans. Alexander brings a small US fan base.

Posted August 6, 2013 5:01 am 


Mbuyiseli

Khan doesn’t have a fan friendly style at all. People already know if his chin is touched he develops jelly legs. Trust me sooner or later he does get touched and those jelly legs can’t keep him against real fighters. We watch in anticipation of the jelly legs that’s all. Nothing more nothing less. Herron is talking out of his … you know what. Khan brings squat to the table. What has he done to challenge for the 147lbs belt? Please tell us Joseph Herron. Simple answer, who has he fought to be in this position to challenge for this strap? Don’t worry take you time since I’ve got the whole day to wait for your logical reply. Joseph Herron you are an idiot.

Posted August 6, 2013 3:23 am 


TJ

I’VE BEEN HEARING RUMOURS that Amir Khan’s camp are trying to sound out SHANE MOSLEY on a possible matchup.

Shane is past his best, but may well still be too much for Mr. Khan and may well be able to give him the chin-check test one more time, unless Khan chooses to run all night.

I also wonder if Sugar can still make 147 after being out of the ring for a period and at his advanced age?

I see Camp Khan trying to negotiate some sort of catch weight stipulation they’ll force Shane to acquiesse to in order to get the bout.

Posted August 6, 2013 3:05 am 


TJ

TARK
Herron… You’re dead wrong.

Canelo is damned good but he happens to be in a weight division where he can challenge the GOAT… Rigondeaux… Ward… Golovkin… and Mikey Garcia might be just as good or better… They really have nobody to fight who can propel them to Super Star status

I agree with you on the above Tark.

Posted August 6, 2013 2:30 am 


Ryan Dunn

@PEEJ

Whatever number is most convenient for you to believe. I like to believe the journalist whenever possible, though that isn’t always the case.

I do, however, believe Dan Rafael more often than not…

“I am not going to get into a pissing contest with Showtime but I have good industry sources who swear on their children that this fight will not reach 1 million buys, much less be “in excess” of 1 million and I believe them. These are people with no dog in the fight who I respect and have known for many years and trust. I am told that the number right now is about 870,000 buys.”
– May 17, 2013

Mayweather has the edge, but there is no great canyon separating him from Pacquiao, though many would like to believe it.

And did you say “MOST” of the fans who bought the Pacquiao/Marquez fight were JMM fans? Please. We will see about that when he fights Bradley I guess.

…ryan

Posted August 6, 2013 1:56 am 


PEEJ

Well until Showtime comes out and says it did less than a million buys when Floyd fought Guerrero then I’ll believe it. Since the VP of Showtime said it did over a million that’s what I’ll go with. And the 3rd and 4th Marquez fights with Pac, most of those people where Marque fans. So either way you slice it, Floyd sells more.

Posted August 6, 2013 1:48 am 


TARK

@Herron…. You say, “I’m trying to educate you on how the business end of boxing is”

NO you’re not… You’re trying to be RIGHT regardless of what the facts are. I’ve been in the business longer than you. I know something about hype… I know something about skills and titles.

You CLAIM, “Skill and titles have very little to do with the business of boxing any longer. It’s about viewers and marketability, brother.”

WRONG!!!

If Floyd didn’t have masterful skills and MANY World Titles, he wouldn’t be the biggest drawing card and highest paid athlete in Boxing. It’s just stupid to say his skill and titles have little to do with it.

If Canelo didn’t win his title fight with Trout he wouldn’t be fighting Floyd in the richest fight in Boxing this year … and maybe in many years.

Posted August 6, 2013 1:39 am 


Ryan Dunn

I’m not sure about this:

“In a nutshell, what it all comes down to is the fact that Mayweather, without question stands as the bigger draw.”

How can you be so emphatic? It can’t be so. But, but…

Let us look at the numbers. Here, I’ll run down the past five fights from each fighter, and you can pick it apart and show me where in this lineage you see a wild discrepancy…

– – – – – – –

PACQUIAO

Pacquiao/Marquez 4: 1.15M.

Pacquiao/Bradley: 900K

Pacquiao/Marquez 3: 1.4M.

Pacquiao/Mosley: 1.3M

Pacquiao/Margarito: 1.15M

5 FIGHT AVERAGE: 1.18M.

– – – – – – –

MAYWEATHER

Mayweather/Guerrero: 870K

Mayweather/Cotto: 1.5M

Mayweather/Ortiz: 1.25M

Mayweather/Mosley: 1.4M

Mayweather/Marquez: 1M buys.

5 FIGHT AVERAGE:
1.21M

– – – – – – –

You can get into details and talk about quality of opponent, whether an opponent was on the rise or on the fall, but there is an overarching commonality… PACQUIAO AND MAYWEATHER ARE VERY SIMILAR DRAWS. PERIOD.

Because of the Cotto and Mosley fights, boxers which both Pacquiao and Mayweather fights, I will agree that Mayweather does indeed hold the edge. But please stop with the unequivocal stuff.

But there’s nothing to spin here. When Pacquiao recently fought Bradley, the critics and fans agreed that Bradley wasn’t a big draw. He tallied 900k “without a dancing partner,” as Floyd would say.

When Mayweather took on Guerrero, they said the same thing. Guess what? He did 870k buys. In fact LESS than Manny did against Timothy.

Mayweather is not unequivocally better at the box office, and I wish the media and also the camps would stop behaving like it is fact.

Here’s a pop quiz… name a third fighter in the sport who is even close to these two.

Then, after you realize that this is a trick question, and that you cannot name a third fighter, come back and explain to me why these two guys shouldn’t split a purse if they faced one another? They will probably bring in more than 3M buys.

Don’t believe me? Try another quiz. Name one other potential fight that has been this talked about in the history of the sport. I will give you a hint, it has been decades upon decades.

This isn’t about Pacquiao love, or Mayweather antagonism. It’s about setting the bad reportage straight and getting the facts back on track.

…ryan

Posted August 6, 2013 1:02 am 


Rome

im out check you guys out in the morning, I have drinks to serve

Posted August 6, 2013 12:41 am 


Rome

Peej your not saying anything so thats what you want to believe then thats what it is for you.

Posted August 6, 2013 12:35 am 


PEEJ

The same round where he dominated him for the next 2 min. Yeah ok. And holding when hurt is what your supposed to do. Like I’ve stated if someone holds you then punch. The ref will take points away if someone is excessively holding. Floyd boxes not hold and there will be no * by Floyd’s name.

Posted August 6, 2013 12:27 am 


Track Star

@@@@@@@@ hahahaha ouch!

Posted August 6, 2013 12:22 am 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoop ice

Rematch Outcome: 44-2

Posted August 6, 2013 12:14 am 


Rome

Peej I know you try hard to paint the picture with water colors but it doesnt go well with the quality paint used prior. Mayweather will enter the hall of fame, he will have alot of money and he will go down in history with a * by his name. Not because he used steroids but because he picked lemmons to build a legacy. You call it great we call it a bad drink of lemonade

Posted August 6, 2013 12:07 am 


Rome

Peej its a moot point and Canelo fight will be no different its going to be a boring fight it will break records because thats the era we are in hence PPV. Mayweather will win it easy and his record will be as it always was, blah blah blah

Posted August 6, 2013 12:03 am 


Rome

Peej im not sure what fights you have watched to state that mayweather doesnt hold like crazy but films dont lie and thats what mayweather does and thats how he breaks the stride of his opponets just is and holding saved his life against mosely and that round didnt lie.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:58 pm 


PEEJ

Floyd doesn’t hold. How is Floyd landing more punches that his opponents if he is holding all night. And it takes 2 to hold. If a fighter is holding all the other fighter has to do is punch, his hands are free. And if he is being held to where he is unable to punch then make the attempts to punch and the fighter holding will be penalized by the ref. Holding would be what John Ruiz did.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:50 pm 


Rome

Trak, I agree- armlock city and there will be no control over it. Maywearther over Canelo by a land slide. No way Canelo can go to work by being held all night.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:47 pm 


Track Star

Herron, politics is not going to allow Canelo to win know canelo needs a KO there is no other way

Posted August 5, 2013 11:17 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark,

I’ve been telling people that Canelo is much better on ever facet of the game than most realize…I’ve been saying this since he won the title by beating Hatton. He’s a very smart and humble kid.

That’s not the point.

I’m trying to educate you on how the business end of boxing is and you’re fighting me on it…it’s crazy. As an insider, I’m telling you how it works. I already know this and it does me no good to trade with you on this forum.

Goodnight, brother.

Maybe if you’re nice, I will let you know how his training is coming along tomorrow. lol

Posted August 5, 2013 11:15 pm 


Track Star

Easy fight for Mayweather and im no mayweather fan. Alot of people already said it Mayweather best asset is the armlock. Take the ablility to hold every round and Canelo will eat him alive. Ref is going to allow all Mayweather ‘s tactics and the fight is going to be a no brainer, bett the farm on Floyd to win an 116-112

Posted August 5, 2013 11:12 pm 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoop ice

44-1

Posted August 5, 2013 11:11 pm 


Track Star

ANONYMOUS RIGO would be dangerous at any weight skills unheard off.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:04 pm 


TARK

If Canelo wasn’t good enough to beat Trout… The slick southpaw who dominated Cotto, much to your expert trainer’s surprise, he would be nowhere … About were Austin Trout is right now.

On the outside looking in.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:46 pm 


TARK

Herron… You’re dead wrong.

Canelo is damned good but he happens to be in a weight division where he can challenge the GOAT… Rigondeaux… Ward… Golovkin… and Mikey Garcia might be just as good or better… They really have nobody to fight who can propel them to Super Star status.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:43 pm 


TARK

Herron… You trying to enlighten me??? Are you going to tell Warren Buffett how to invest next???

Canelo Alvarez is a damned good boxer… That’s why he’s popular… He’s not a brawler. That’s why he’s undefeated in 8 years of professional Boxing. That’s why he has been on everybody’s lips as the MOST logical opponent for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

He’s can box.. He’s the world’s top rated Super Welterweight, and he just beat the number 2 guy.

Canelo isn’t separated from every other fighter.. Mikey is good.. Ward is good.. Golovkin is good.. Rigondeaux is good … They’re not in weight divisions where Floyd is — and that’s the luck of the draw.. Floyd captured the public’s imagination because he’s possibly the GOAT. There’s never been another fighter who accomplished what Floyd has in 5 divisions and remained undefeated.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:37 pm 


TARK

I see Good…. Oscar didn’t jab well at all.. And Oscar threw MORE jabs in the 2nd half of the fight than the 1st half, so he DIDN’T run out of gas.. He just never had much of a jab.

Cotto jabbed Floyd very well.. He’s the only one who reached Floyd consistently or forced Roger to break out the Q-Tips.. Judah hit Floyd pretty good for 3 rounds, and than he disappeared.

Canelo isn’t going anywhere. He’ll be there from the 1st round to the last. This kid keeps it together.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:22 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark,

You’re completely missing the point. What seperated Canelo from every other fighter in the first place? Was it his skill? Looks? Power?

Why did Golden Boy decide to sign this kid and tout him as boxing’s next big star?

It was because he was already a popular fighter in Mexico and had massive interest from Mexican TV.

Dude, just accept it, man…it’s the truth. I’m trying to actually enlighten you, brother.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:13 pm 


TARK

Sheer goofiness Herron…

One of the most uneventful boxing matches in fistic history, Floyd vs Oscar, pulled the top PPV … It could be surpassed by Floyd vs Canelo, which most assuredly WON’T be a brawl. It will be a highly contested boxing match like Floyd v Oscar … Pacquiao did well vs defensive Clottey in a boring affair … Mosely ran most of the night in his PPVs with Pac and Mayweather … Oscar ran his ass off in the Trinidad fight. Not exciting, but the best PPV Oscar did before his Floyd “fight.” … Hopkins vs Oscar did very well, but it was a pillow fight for most of the night—and who expected anything different???

Who else did Gatti ever do a PPV with, besides Floyd??? And how much did his other PPVs pull??? Don’t tell me that some upstart Mexican brawler is going to be a big PPV star.. That’s BS..

Canelo will be a PPV star… Mikey will be… They both box people’s tails off and they are not likely to lose very many fights ever.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:04 pm 


I see Good

TARK Look Floyd is FIGHTING a DANGEROUS CHALLENGER as you SAID DANGEROUS.. POINT BEING WHEN WAS FLOYD EVER in a DANGEROUS FIGHT WHEN??? Thats my POINT, Christ FLOYD CARRIED most of his opponents and I MEAN CARRIED them. Most he could of KNOCK out so he went the distance. Christ FLOYD KNEW he had WON the fight before it started, FLOYDS better SKILLS and when you fight an OLD TIMER sit back and wait till after the 4 5 6 rounds thats it he tired FLOYD takes over. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.. But wait a REAL 154pounder that CAN PUNCH, NOT OLD, DEFENCE fairly good. Good boxing SKILLS. HEY this is DANGEROUS. Since FLOYD hasnt fought the best FLOYD has DOUBTS himself. Why shouldnt he? This guy is YOUNG and DANGEROUS. Hmmmm Floyd thinks I never foughtan opponent thats YOUNG and DANGEROUS with SKILLS. Yep sept 14th will tell. I WILL buy P4V first time WHY??? Because its NOT A HAND PICK FIGHT THATS WHY.. Good for SHOWTIME they FORCE cherrypicker into this match. Cherrypicker DIDNT ASK FOR IT thats for DAM sure

Posted August 5, 2013 10:00 pm 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoopcide

Big Moe:
Good stuff!

Une capacite d’analyse a la fois ordinaire et pointue….

Posted August 5, 2013 9:53 pm 


I see Good

OLD YANK What kind of DRUGS are you on.. Mayweather hitting Canelo with LEAD RIGHT HANDS… Remember its CANELO thats the PUNCHER CHUMP Not cherrypicker. Whats so good about cherrypickers DEFENCE OLD OSCAR JAB HIS HEAD OFF FOR 5 rounds. OLD MOSLEY TAG him . ha ha ha I see FLOYD standing more flat footed in recent fights (OLD AGE DOES THAT) I dont think FLOYDS defence isnt any better than CANELOS..

Posted August 5, 2013 9:46 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Don’t worry Turbo, Tard will be here shortly with a James Butler last ditch effort. You can bet it’ll be weak, but not to fret, his fraudulent cronies will be here offering their kudos of a fellatiotic nature…

Posted August 5, 2013 9:41 pm 


I see Good

Hidalgo I favor canelo over the cherrypicker. Yes FLOYD will RUN like a girl, I dont think he will go toe to toe. It might be a boring fight. Some one that wants to fight CANELO, and a sissy that will RUN around all night. Either WAY I cant see CHERRYPICKER winning. The JUDGES want to see a FIGHT NOT some one running around throwing a punch here and there.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:40 pm 


PEEJ

It’s funny people always bring up when a fighter has a couple rounds of success at the beginning ad a fight with Floyd. Then when Floyd makes that adjustment people say oh he ran out of gas or he stopped doing what worked for them. There is a reason why it stopped working for them.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:38 pm 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoopcide

Old Yank,
The last post was not from me…
I have an admirer here on esb…

(Pauvre imbecile attarde qui courre derriere mon ombre…. hahahaahah)

Posted August 5, 2013 9:34 pm 


Joseph Herron

I make the comparison on the show all of the time…it’s one of the reasons why no one has been successful in starting a union for the fighters.

They haven’t been successful up to this point because the fighters don’t realize that you must model a union after the screen actors guild instead of the NFL Players union.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:33 pm 


I see Good

OLD YANK Why shouldnt Mayweather give into Oscars Demands. Christ Mayweather KNEW he was OLD and would RUN OUT OF GAS after 5 rounds. ( thats what happens when you are past your PRIME)But in those first 5 rounds OSCAR JAB Mayweathers HEAD OFF. So MUCH for CHERRYPICKERS GREAT DEFENCE I HEAR ABOUT. After 5 rounds FLOYD took over OSCAR Gaspping for breath. I hope Canelo jabs and sets up that THUNDERING RIGHT HAND. Down goes cherrypicker. Floys NOT that hard to hit MOSLEY as OLD as he is PROVE that. Canelos defence isnt any better than FLOYDS, But CANELO hits A LOT HARDER THAN THE CHERRYPICKER.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:32 pm 


PEEJ

Don’t think Pac would of ever beat Floyd. I know styles make fights but the fighters he has lost to would of never been very competitive against Floyd. Pac has zero defense and Floyd tears apart any fighter who comes forward, especially one who just jumps in throwing punches.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:27 pm 


I see Good

OLD COOT You SEE GOOD to

Posted August 5, 2013 9:24 pm 


Old Coot

It seems to me that it has been clear from the time Pacquiao was first floated as perhaps Floyd’s one true threat to his record, that Mayweather’s every move toward or statement against Pacquiao is clearly based on Mayweather’s petty resentment that Pacquiao actually dared to have the heart, skill AND popularity, to not only just play in Floyd’s sandbox, but to possibly have had, and STILL may have, the talent to kick Floyd out!

Posted August 5, 2013 8:57 pm 


Delk1

BIG MOE, you should be a promoter. LOL, Before Mayweather blew up, nobody paid attention to him. He was nice and well spoken. The minute he transition from Pretty boy to Money and started talking sh-t everbody gravitated to him. Hater and FANS.

Great post Big Moe

Posted August 5, 2013 8:42 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

Big Moe KO1 TARK.

Ringside with Turbo-Hamster
No sooner had the starting bell rung than Big Moe countered TARKS wild swing with a beautifully timed uppercut which sent TARK’s jawbone flying from his skull, coming to rest in the lighting rig 10 metres above the ring.

A warm puddle emanated from TARK’s quivering prostrate form, as he lost basic biological functions and soiled himself

The brutality of the knockout had referee Steve Smoger vomiting up the pasta salad he`d consumed just minutes before the fight.
Fans could still make out the undigested olives.

Ladies and gentleman, we have a contender for KO of the year.

Posted August 5, 2013 8:29 pm 


Joseph Herron

You’ve got it, Big Moe!!

Posted August 5, 2013 8:18 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Gatti was a great, did a lot for the popularity of the sport. If Wladdie had half of the heart Thunder had, he’d be undefeated, and an ATG, which he is neither…

Posted August 5, 2013 8:18 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Well said Big Moe…

Posted August 5, 2013 8:12 pm 


Big Moe

Yo Tark

The game is like the music Biz. Promoter’s are going with what is hot right now. As long as he is putting cheeks in seats, the rest doesn’t matter. Boxers have to speak the language that todays buyer understands. It’s all about who is hot. Right now you have Miadana, Broner, Danny Garcia, Canelo, Triple G, and now even unproven Curtis Stevens has been thrown into the mix. Let’s see where these guys are a few years from now. It’s all about longevity. For example, in the music biz you have what I call “shock value rappers”. They come in and leave faster than they came. Where is Rich Boy? He had one hit and that was “Put some D’s on them &%$%” and he was gone. But you look a cat like Jay Z who has survived many rappers. Even after taking some time off he came back like he never left.

Then you take a rapper KRS One vs Nelly feud. Lyrically, KRS will eat Nelly alive. But it was Nelly who was selling records. To the new comers of rap, they said Nelly won because he sold more. They weren’t analyzing the lyrics. Most customers don’t like the Roots, Talib Kweli’s of the world. Hard core old fans do. They play big venues but not like the rappers who talk about money sex, drugs, and rims do. This what this generation likes. Some fans don’t like thought provoking stuff. They like the mindless things and that’s what promoters cater to. Now you take same attitude to boxing, and people like two fighters to stand there and just swing until someone falls. Some don’t enjoy watching a technician dissect their opponents like lab frogs while the hard core fans do. They have a microwave mentality. They want “right now” fighter regardless if the fighter is unproven. We all see it. Every fighter between 140-160 when they win a fight, who are they calling out? Had Pac kept winning, he would be in the same category as Floyd.

Floyd has taken the old school fundamentals of boxing skills and combined them with the things of today. He throwing and talking about money, showing off the big boy mansion is what todays people like. But there is Bronor, Ward and Rigo who has ushered in the technician style. Now all they have to do is finding something else that will put cheeks in seats.

Posted August 5, 2013 8:03 pm 


Old Yank

IMO, De LA Hoya was the breakout bout for Mayweather. Mayweather gave away the ring size, the venue, glove choice, and gave away the lion’s share of the purse to De La Hoya and still won. It was his breakout moment.

Posted August 5, 2013 7:53 pm 


Old Yank

largo – -Thanks. Good to see you.

Posted August 5, 2013 7:51 pm 


Hidalgo

“Gatti had the bigger purse in 2005.” Joseph you are right. When I responded to Tark, I meant to say “Not because Floyd was in it…” I erroneously typed “Not JUST because Floyd was in it…” Gatti was big stuff in 2005 at the time he fought Floyd, as I previously stated.

Posted August 5, 2013 6:55 pm 


Joseph Herron

Boxing is a business, guys. Just sit down and chat with any promoter these days, and you’ll hear the sad truth of the matter. Network dates mean more to fighters now more than any world titles.

HBO and Showtime should have their own belts now for every weight class, because that’s what fighters covet most in today’s sport.

Posted August 5, 2013 6:33 pm 


Tomato Can

No wonder Mayweather dropped Arum like a hot potato.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:52 pm 


Tomato Can

I never knew, Gatti got the bigger purse in his fight with Mayweather. I knew Gatti didn’t belong in the same ring as Mayweather. At that point, Mayweather was also already the more accomplished fighter. I took it for granite that Mayweather was the one getting paid more.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:48 pm 


Joseph Herron

You don’t know what you’re talking about in this area, Tark.

Do you know what fighters are getting noticed and signed by the promotional groups nowadays, brother? Not the most technically proficient.

It’s the hispanic fighters who provide fan friendly scraps. Do you really think a fighter like Omar Figueroa is the most technically proficient fighter in the Lightweight division? But he’s about to become the biggest star in the weight class.

Who do you think would win in a fight between Richard Abril and Omar Figueroa? Abril all day long. But is Showtime going to pay Omar more money? All day long.

Why? Because Omar has a huge fan base in Texas and fights in a more fan friendly style.

That’s the reality of boxing, brother!!

Posted August 5, 2013 5:38 pm 


TARK

Rigondeaux will have a short career… Too bad… He fought almost 400 amateur fights and won the last 200 of them. He’s in the same boat as GGG. He’s so good nobody wants to fight him.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:36 pm 


TARK

Gatti never got a big PPV… He wasn’t any good… De La Hoya is an ATG fighter so he holds the record for ATGreatest PPV take with Floyd.

Boxing is not like music… The best boxers eventually get to the top and do the most PPV. Roy Jones never did a huge PPV. He also ducked Tarver for a long time and got his ass waxed when he finally fought him.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:33 pm 


Anonymous

I wish Rigondeaux was a welterweight so he would kick the crap out of Brohner!

Posted August 5, 2013 5:26 pm 


Hidalgo

“especially if you’re the bigger draw … Floyd was the draw. Floyd was the master. Gatti was the disaster.”

Well, not exactly. By the time Gatti fought Floyd, Arturo had finished up his trilogy with Ward, then won the vacant WBC light welterweight title, then defended that title twice before facing Mayweather. Gatti was highly popular at the time–thanks in large part to his three-fight trilogy with Mickey Ward, and coming into the Mayweather fight he had won five straight bouts: twice against Ward, then defeating Branco (for the vacant WBC title), then successfully defending it against Dorin and Leija. The Mayweather/Gatti fight was a big fight. Not just because Floyd was in it, but because of Gatti’s huge popularity at the time. I remember watching it. Although I predicted from the beginning that Mayweather would snuff him.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:19 pm 


TARK

I know it was Gatti’s title… I don’t think he deserved a world title based on his skills, and he didn’t stand a chance in Hell. But let the guy cash in. It was his title anyway.

Just like it’s Alexander’s title and he’s a better fighter than Khan, who runs and grabs like a panicky clown. Alexander isn’t very good. He won’t be champion long. Let him cash in on a couple fights.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:15 pm 


Hidalgo

“Gatti was one of the most inept fighters Floyd ever fought in a title fight. He knew it was going to be a super easy night.”

That is the absolute truth.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:11 pm 


TARK

It has everything to do with it Herron…., This is extremely relevant.. If you are 10 times better in your profession than the other guy you should get paid more—especially if you’re the bigger draw … Floyd was the draw. Floyd was the master. Gatti was the disaster.

Oscar made twice as much as Mayweather… That made sense… It was his title and he had almost equal prestige. Floyd was about a 2.5:1 favorite… Not overwhelming.

Plus 26 to 30 million was still a lot of money… Let Oscar have 50 million. It was his title.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:09 pm 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoop ice

Yes old yank , I’ve been schooling all these imbeciles in these forums specially square circle jerk. I’ve had to lay down the power of my judicial intellectual prowess.. My bioengineering Phd and fluent French are enough to deter and halt any nincompoop arguments from these bigots

Posted August 5, 2013 4:44 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark,

Your last post concerning our discussion isn’t germane to the topic.

What does skill level and style match-up have to do with the business end of boxing? Do you have any real knowledge in this area?

Stay on point, brother!!

Posted August 5, 2013 4:40 pm 


Delk1

Most so called boxing fans don’t know Sh-t about Boxing. Here is a question. Why are all of Mayweathers past opponents are considered not great, or considered hand pick. Yet EVERYONE he didn;t fight are great, or would have ran through him? LIKE the GREAT Roy Jones jr. said in one of his rap song. ” yall saying I aint fighting nobody, I just make them look like nobody”. EXAMPLE Marquez, Guerro, and now its time for Canelo to get a taste of the unexplained, supernatural abilities, along with Boxing skills of the Great Floyd Money Mayweather

Posted August 5, 2013 4:35 pm 


Hidalgo

“No sane person would EVER rate Malignaggi in the top 5 of any division at any time.” Really? Not even when he was holding a world title? How would that be possible?

Posted August 5, 2013 4:23 pm 


largo

Old Yank, the legend, is back. Welcome.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:16 pm 


De Lima

Test

In my humble opinion, we can expect a competitive fight with a tough young fighter coming up, but opinion is deeply divided on this issue.
SA is a smart boxer, he has great boxing skills, punching power, strength, good head and shoulder movement.

Floyd has the advantage of experience, superior defensive skills, incredible hand speed, high boxing IQ and he’s a good body puncher.

I really like SA , but let’s be honest, he’s only chance at defeating FMJ is by stoppage, otherwise FMJ will get the decision. If FMJ wins, he wins by UD, certainly not by stoppage.

Can SA land the big shot ? We’ll see. One thing’s for sure, FMJ has never faced a guy as tough as SA, he’s special.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:09 pm 


Old Yank

Canelo’s hands were full with Trout — and they shoul dhave been — Trout is a solid fighter. But Trout does not have the speed, experience, ring IQ, ability to adjust or defense at the level that Mayweather has. I contend that if Canelo had his hands full with Trout, he will have his face full with Mayweather. Watch…about three rounds in Mayweather will start throwing lead right hands. When lead rights start landing against a young warrior, he knows he’s been insulted because the lead right is supposed to be the easiest punch tro see coming. Once Canelo starts eating lead rights, his will gets rattled and all is over but the fat lady singing. I think they split the first 6 rounds and then Canelo will be lucky to win one of the second six — 8 rounds to 4 in a relatively easy and non-controvercial decision.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:07 pm 


Old Yank

Agreed! Gatti/Mayweather was a huge mismatch!

Posted August 5, 2013 3:54 pm 


TARK

Herron…. It was Floyd who made the Gatti PPV. He was the star. A lot of fans who loved Gatti were basically ignorant about anything to do with Boxing. Gatti never learned his craft but he had heart I guess.

By my count Gatti landed 7 power shots and Floyd landed 134… Gatti was so fan Friendly that he wouldn’t throw power shots … and Floyd was so safety first that he kept throwing and throwing with abandon.

Gatti was one of the most inept fighters Floyd ever fought in a title fight. He knew it was going to be a super easy night.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:48 pm 


DOnaVan

Tark I know Floyd is your boy and im not going to beat that up. Showtime was smart to pick up floyd and Floyd of course is a great fight picker to keep his 0. Floyd going to fight Canelo because he has to and showtime behind closed doors new it. Showtime demanded that fight for all the money its going to make. Floyd doesnt want the risk, but no choice. I believe floyd is going to win easy, this is going to be an easy fight not because floyd is great, but his style is great to beat canelo who will not be used to all the hold and hit tactics.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:19 pm 


Old Yank

Supreme — Some lose their cool easily and others don’t. Tark has a fine boxing head; attaching it to his mouth is where he gets into trouble.

Posted August 5, 2013 3:16 pm 


DOnaVan

Tark I like your last comment makes interesting thought especially when you speak of Ward. Ward not sure where to go and his so called injury is questionable. Ward beat Dawson who was basically sucked up and not at a healthy weight. Froch was nobody special and already lost before Ward. Ward built this P$P list off winning fighters like green and bika and the euros who were b-class fighters with records of no names. Ward lemmon hunting to keep the 0

Posted August 5, 2013 3:15 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Khan will get KO’d by featherfisted Alexander and his career will be finally over

Posted August 5, 2013 3:06 pm 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoopcide

OY,
Believe me or not I once mistaken you for Tark….Boy, he got mad at me!

Posted August 5, 2013 2:53 pm 


Old Yank

Supreme — Thanks! I got tangled up in selling a business and starting another. I had no time. I’m taking a tiny breather to look in on some old friends.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:24 pm 


Supreme Court aka Highest Court aka nincompoopcide

Hello Old Yank!!!!
Your sabbatical is over?
Welcome home!

Posted August 5, 2013 2:18 pm 


Old Yank

ditto to Tark’s comment

Posted August 5, 2013 2:09 pm 


Old Yank

ditto

Posted August 5, 2013 2:09 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Vivek, why did you use a throw-away comment from Floyd into the lead of a column? It wasn’t blown out of proportion because hardly any media bit on the obv fish hook Floyd cast. Not newsworthy, except to the Floyd nut hugging flamers who will discuss any and everything he says.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:08 pm 


TARK

I like the Maidana-Broner fight… Two guys who come forward and deal. When the smoke clears only one will be standing.

A little different than watching a running, grabbing, panicky Khan … trying to do anything to survive to the next bell.

Posted August 5, 2013 2:00 pm 


Old Yank

Khan has a very loyal fan base — Brit fans are as loyal as they come — they followed Hatton into hell and nefer stopped singing. You gotta love fans like that! But Khan seems to think he can negotiate terms lying face-first on the canvas — Alexander will have his way or Khan will continue to fade into the past.

Posted August 5, 2013 1:52 pm 


Old Yank

Vivek — Mayweather, a bout at a time, has turned a number of distractors into fans. Next, you know I’ve never been hifgh on Khan — his ring IQ is seriously lacking as is his ability to keep a highly suspect chin behind his front foot. Finally, Broner is a real a deal as we ever get to see coming up. I can’t help but like the kid no matter his antics outside the ring. Peace.

Posted August 5, 2013 1:46 pm 


TJ

TARK

Khan has a fan friendly style when he’s getting the crap beaten out of him… Everybody wants to see heavy punches deck people and Khan obliges… He gets hit with shots coming from left field, right field, and center field. He should change his nickname to “Hit Me.”

Doesn’t mean as a challenger he gets more money than Alexander, who would be defending his title against a guy who isn’t risking a thing but his health.

Great post. I still haven’t stopped laughing!

Posted August 5, 2013 1:28 pm 


TARK

Gatti had a more “fan friendly” fighting style… Does that mean he gets more money when he’s fighting Floyd??? … Of COURSE NOT!!!

Khan has a fan friendly style when he’s getting the crap beaten out of him… Everybody wants to see heavy punches deck people and Khan obliges… He gets hit with shots coming from left field, right field, and center field. He should change his nickname to “Hit Me.”

Doesn’t mean as a challenger he gets more money than Alexander, who would be defending his title against a guy who isn’t risking a thing but his health.

Posted August 5, 2013 1:27 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark,

C’mon, dude…you know better than this. It’s funny how you try to take exception with everything I say, even when I’m right…and I’m right about this. You’re thinking about this, just as Vivek is, as a fan.

The belts don’t have as much clout in the industry as they once did. Look how many title holders can’t get a network date on HBO or Showtime.

Khan produces good numbers every time he appears on either HBO Showtime and has international broadcast interest…even with a controversial loss to Peterson and a dramatic KO loss to Garcia.

He’s an exciting all action fighter who isn’t afraid to take risks in the ring…this is what networks, fight fans, and promoters prefer to see.

Khan still has a much larger fan base and much more pleasing fight style than Alexander, so he’s going to have much more negotiating power than an guy like Devon.

Al Haymon is the only “ace in the hole” that Devon has at this time. Without Haymon, Devon would be lucky to get a network date on any fight card.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:54 pm 


TARK

……, “andre ward, Marquez, hate to say it pacman, Martinez, Bradley even, the list goes on…

Marquez deserves all the props he gets… But Pacman is trying to get a Floyd fight on the cheap… Martinez isn’t interested in fighting Quillin or Golovkin… Bradley squelshed a deserved rematch for Provodnikov… Ward has been on the shelf for a long time while Rodriguez and Stevenson moved to LHW to get action … I don’t see anything heroic with a lot of these maneuverings.

Floyd is fighting a dangerous challenger. Nonito bit the bullet. Canelo fought his top challenger. Matthysse and Garcia are squaring off … That’s who I give the props to — the guys who are fighting the best opponents possible.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:37 pm 


Geronimo

Exactly Fritz and unfortunately the control freak conglomeration starts putting its Orwellian like stamp on boxing and MMA while they are still children in the amateurs. The sponsor of the biggest tournaments in the world has their fingers on everything. Then we got that smiley senator Hairy Reid.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:27 pm 


123=VI

Floyd signing Pacman, I think Floyd meant Pacman has to sign with Goldenboy promotions if he wants to fight him.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:24 pm 


Boxer

We have to start giving props to fighters that deserve it the ones that actually take risk and leave it all there, andre ward, Marquez, hate to say it pacman,Martinez,Bradley even, the list goes on but instead we give it to clowns

Posted August 5, 2013 12:19 pm 


TARK

Herron says…., “Khan is an international star, even though he doesn’t have a world title around his waist. Khan has the big fan base, as well as the numerous networks who are interested in showing his bouts.”

Khan’s stock has been dropping like a hot knife through soft butter. He’s not in a tremendous position to argue his case. He’s been losing. He’s been looking bad. He can’t dictate terms. He’s the challenger.

He’ll probably get his butt kicked again, egomaniac or not.

In Boxing, you take the short end if you’ve been getting your ass kicked and you don’t have a world title. Otherwise a world title is worthless.

Posted August 5, 2013 12:09 pm 


boxing barlow

I think people are too quick to write khan off. In terms of what vivek talks about with retards to skills and potential when discussing Broner and Khan, on one hand we’re talking Khan down but then talking up Broner. Have a good long look at how Khan dealt with Malignagi compared to Broner! Khans

Posted August 5, 2013 11:58 am 


BRUCE

MAYWEATHER BEST OF THE LAST TEN YEARS NO DOUBT WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE REST OF THEM.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:54 am 


Junio

Anonymous:

Top Rank promotes Pac but the overall point people from Floyd’s side have whispered was for Pac to leave Arum and just make the fight with Floyd and do it all on their own. That was when before all this other nonsense.

They could still use someone like Richard Schaefer as the mind to make sure it runs smooth instead of Arum who digs deeper into your pockets for every penny.

Floyd generates the amount he makes because he controls the flow of the money. The Guy from Forbes magazine talked about it. So he’ll make more than the normal fighters cut. All the back-door deals, all the Global deals that the Promoters like to pocket and cut out the fighters….Floyd gets that.

Pac does not need Arum and I don’t know why he stayed with him.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:53 am 


Junio

Joseph Herron:

I recall a problem with Floyd getting his money from Arum as well as his feeling that Arum preventing his career from taking off sooner. After all, look at Floyd before and after Arum. That said, Top rank has always been great at building fighters up carefully so there is no argument there.

Floyd has made it known that he doesn’t want Arum to make any money off of him which has been a big problem making fights with his fighters.

Floyd vs. Cotto was supposed to happen in a future date {yet to be announced} during the time both were a part of Top rank but when Floyd left, the fight was off. That is until Cotto left Arum and Floyd signed him right up to a fight which was Cotto’s biggest payday to date.

Politics and Emotions in boxing, in business, can be a real pain of the ass to the consumers.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:37 am 


Fritz

Whether it be Mayweather boxing promotions, Mayweather music producing with mrs Jackson, TMT with Fifty Cents, bla bla bla bla is all about big talk ego trippin and little more. Floyd has no fighters that are really worth promoting and no good songs that I know of. Floyd is promoted by Al Haymon, Golden Boy, and Showtime and is probably stuck there via control freak contracts. Just look at how Golden Boy fired Mosley for just hiring a non-GBP attorney to talk to Arum about a possible Pacman match. Golden Boy are control freaks who will make Floyd pay just like they did against Barrera, Marquez, Mosley, etc..etc..

Posted August 5, 2013 11:25 am 


Zurdo

“Mayweather wins in spectacular fashion against Canelo”… Does the writer want to say IN SPECTACULAR BORING FASHION?

Posted August 5, 2013 11:20 am 


Joseph Herron

As for the Khan response, this is a no brainer for anyone familiar with the business side of boxing.

Khan is an international star, even though he doesn’t have a world title around his waist. Khan has the big fan base, as well as the numerous networks who are interested in showing his bouts.

What besides the IBF Welterweight title does Alexander bring to the table? He doesn’t have a legion of fans, nor does he fight in a very fan pleasing style.

This is why Khan is standing his ground in negotiations.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:17 am 


junior

Wearerofallthebelts…….. Google Able Sanchez loooool

Posted August 5, 2013 11:15 am 


Joseph Herron

The only reason Floyd said what he said, was because he will not entertain the idea of making Bob Arum money ever again. He has a great deal of disdain for his former promoter…I have no idea why, but he feels very strongly about it.

I felt that Bob Arum did a very good job navigating Floyd’s career as a young fighter and don’t know why he doesn’t really like Arum.

Only Floyd knows this.

That’s the only reason why Mayweather said what he said about Pacquiao signing with TMT.

Posted August 5, 2013 11:07 am 


Anonymous

wearerofallthebelts,
able sanchez is GGG’s trainer. LOL

Posted August 5, 2013 11:05 am 


Anonymous

Why would GBP get a cut on the fight revenue if pacquiau n mayweather fought? They don’t hold promotional contracts with either mayweather or pac, however TR who promotes pac would most likely promote the event. Correct?

Posted August 5, 2013 10:34 am 


Aljowa

Mayweather has always run from Pacquiao as he always had that slight doubt in his mind that Pacquiao had his number. And even now he is still trying to call the shots and avoid the fight with bollocks.

Even if the fight ever does come off it went have the same x factor as Pacquiao is on the slide. Mayweather, if he does keep his O and not out with Canello, and eventualy retires will always be remembered as the one who ducked Pacman when the fight was ripe and would have been a great fight.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:32 am 


Moonshineman

It’s not about money. Does Mayweather want to retire someday, knowing that the World knows he ran from Pacquiao like a little floyd B*th. That is the question. Little Floyd will NEVER live it down.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:30 am 


Wearerofallthebelts

Jakes what Boxer said is true. Yes he beat 5 “champions” but indeed avoided the best and baddest in the divisions. He did what all modern fighters do. They go after the easiest path to a “title”. Example Curtis Stevens after his impressive one round KO this weekend was asked if he would fight GGG. No he is instead calling out Able Sanchez. He didn’t even want to say Gannady’s name. That’s because Sanchez is the easiest path to a title. Don’t put so much stock in titles. They are too often meaningless.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:28 am 


Wearerofallthebelts

By the way I was being facetious about Duran beating Floyd…but not Canello.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:21 am 


Jakes

Boxer stop please Floyd is n 5 division champion idiot. That means he took belts from champions in 5 divisions. Its not his fault that Sleepio is stil napping.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:20 am 


Wearerofallthebelts

Big Mike anyone who dismisses a mention of Roberto Duran with the retort “no Mas” shows a seriously low boxing IQ. Duran in his prime could’ve beaten both Floyd and Canello on the same night.

Posted August 5, 2013 10:20 am 


Boxer

Floyd is the goat?, Floyd in reality should be number 2 on the p4p list behind andre ward, let’s remember andre wiped out a whole division let me say it again a whole division, and he doesn’t pick fights like Floyd, floyd picks fight he knows he can win unless ofcourse he’s forced to take more risks by a certain station that just invested a quarter billion in him, andre always just wants to fight the best!, or else we would have seen Floyd vs pacman, Floyd vs margarito,Floyd vs Paul Williams,Floyd vs Martinez, Floyd vs prime cotto, all fights he could’ve had and didn’t , I know everyone’s like he would of beat them, we’ll never know!

Posted August 5, 2013 10:15 am 


nameless

Alexander is as exciting as a visit to the dentist.

Posted August 5, 2013 9:17 am 


nameless

I couldn’t care less about Alexander, let’s demand Broner/Khan.

Posted August 5, 2013 8:44 am 


big mike

You mean “No Mas” Duran. Hahaha , man please

Posted August 5, 2013 8:01 am 


TJ

Matt
Khan vs broner should get made. Khan wants to fight money, well what better pfeperation than to fight his wanna be. Broner would get some respect if he can beat khan over a decent amount of rounds. But I would pick khan by UD if he can avoid the left hook.

i’VE SAID THE SAME thing MATT on other threads.

Good points!

Posted August 5, 2013 7:27 am 


TJ

VIVEK WALLACE
” What baffles me is that Khan continues to represent himself with such a grand level of entitlement, yet nothing on his résumé supports it.”

I couldn’t agree with you more VIVEK.

This man is the don Quixote of boxing. His delusions of grandeaur have him hanging out with The Emperor and his supposedly new clothes and Walter Mitty!

The truth is Khan is the challenger, who is coming off a barely scraped victory over a blow up Lightweight who has seen better days in The Kidd.

Khan got chin-checked again and his new trainer VIRGIL HUNTER didn’t come out of that bout with any plaudits either!!!

Kidd couldn’t miss Khan with his slow punches, so I dare not think what a fast moving and quick punching southpaw in DEVON will do to him.

He needs to get down on his knees and give thanks to the Alexander camp for giving him such a swift route to get back to the top table or swallow humble pie and HONOUR what he told the world ie he would face the winner out of MATTHYSSE and GARCIA!!!!!!

Posted August 5, 2013 7:25 am 


Adrian

Vivek Vivek …how is it that you always blame the “media” when mayweather says something stupid or when he acts in a way that its obwious that he wants to avoid the PAC fight in all coast by saying ” the media took out of contest” how so??? Did he say or did he not that if PAC wants to fight him he should join mayweather promotion?? Don’t try to spin please …and how is always you talk about the “shares” when it comes to PAC vs mayweather fight who should get what ,if you want to write about boxing and analize fights then you should write about boxing not “shares” f….the shares I don’t care about shares ,show me boxing bi$)tch!!!

Posted August 5, 2013 5:37 am 


Matt

Khan vs broner should get made. Khan wants to fight money, well what better pfeperation than to fight his wanna be. Broner would get some respect if he can beat khan over a decent amount of rounds. But I would pick khan by UD if he can avoid the left hook.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:32 am 


Boxtradamus

Floyd is not tbe GOAT but still a near ATG fighter. A prime Duran would have ran through him like a cheetah versus a gazelle. Honestly I believe a prime vernon forrest is a nightmare of a match up for him as well. His resume simply does not stack up against many of the other greatest.

Posted August 5, 2013 5:20 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Floyd is the GOAT.

Posted August 5, 2013 4:43 am 



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