“Trout faced the NON Championship version of Cotto coming off of a LOSS.”
Oh here we go with this crap reasoning again. So Cotto was coming off a loss. Big deal. Like that changed him totally before he fought Trout. And it doesn’t matter if Cotto is a champion or not. If anything he was more dangerous when Trout faced him because Cotto wanted to make a statement against Trout. I don’t know exactly what you think it is in a loss that would make Cotto less of a challenge than he was before, but whatever it is, you’re wrong.
What’s your excuse for Cotto throwing over 100 punches more against Trout than he did against Mayweather? Let me guess, he was coming off a loss. LMAO! Right.
What did Trout say after watching Floyd/Cotto. “I wouldn’t fight Cotto the way Floyd did.” He didn’t either. That’s why his connect rate was 12% higher vs. Cotto. That’s why he beat Cotto more impressively than Mayweather did–not because Mayweather was sick the week of the fight. Even Floyd himself said he fought the way he did because he wanted to please the fans–not because he was ill.Posted August 14, 2013 9:15 pm
sredmond=public enemy=Supreme Court=nameless=anon?????
…youre the stupidest poster.Posted August 14, 2013 3:04 am
GOOD poimt Herron!! People try to compare Floyd’s SICKLY performance to Trout’s PEAK performance and Trout still falls short. LMFAO!!Posted August 14, 2013 2:05 am
sredmond=public enemy=Supreme Court=nameless=anon
Whatever happened to “cook death”? I’m not talking about supremecourt’s mom, but the esb poster under that name.Posted August 13, 2013 9:31 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
It’s nice to see Squared circle jerk out making more friends, lmao!…Posted August 13, 2013 7:35 pm
Looking at the Cotto fight when trying to assess Floyd’s chance for victory against Canelo is not wise.
most people don’t realize that Floyd was sick the week of the fight. Floyd deserves a lot of credit for not using that as an excuse as to why he was merely laying on the ropes for unusually long durations throughout the bout.
But, if Floyd is 100% going into the September 14th contest, which from what I’m hearing out of his camp he’s looking very strong mentally and physically, he should be able to dominate Canelo Alvarez from start to finish.Posted August 13, 2013 5:56 pm
nameless is not sredmond/supreme clownPosted August 13, 2013 4:52 pm
The rattle snake has been spotted!
(Le serpent a sonnette a ete repere!)Posted August 13, 2013 4:35 pm
nameless/supremecourt-your next post name should be “irrelevant” cause that is what you are.Posted August 13, 2013 1:45 pm
Also don’t forget that Floyd beat the CHAMPIONSHIP version of Cotto who was on a 3 Fight KO streak. Trout faced the NON Championship version of Cotto coming off of a LOSS. Trout also hits softer than a WW. Thats another reason that Trout outperforming Floyd is FALSE. Floyd LANDED the most effective shots vs Cotto. Trout got HIT with the most effective shots vs Cotto….Thats WHY you have to watch the Fight and not just go by the scorecards…..Getting hit with TWICE as many power shots is more entertaining but its NOT a BETTER Defensive performance. And NO, Defending 122 more shots is NOT a valid reason for getting hit with 75 more shots. IF you were as GOOD as Floyd was on Defense UP to the point where you had to Defend 122 more shots then your inconsistency showed once again as you had to have gotten hit with 75 out of 122 at that point which is 61%. That’s called extremely POOR.Posted August 13, 2013 1:42 pm
“Trout put on a better performance against Cotto than Floyd did”-Well none of the EXPERTS thought SO. Thats why after Trout faced Cotto he remained @ #0 P4P and after Floyd faced Cotto he remained @ #1 P4P. …not to mention that Cotto took Trout lightly while he trained for the Fight of his LIFE vs Floyd….Nevertheless even IF Trout DID out perform Floyd vs Cotto that was his PEAK Fight. SO you’re comparing his PEAK performance vs one of Floyd’s WORST and its still close. That should tell you something….It tells me that Trout is not consistent enough. He came right back after his PEAK performance and STUNK out the JOINT vs Canelo. He hit more air than an Old lady with a FLY swatter. I mean he hit more air than a WINDMILL….The FACT remains that he performed WORSE on Defense overall…. also he will under perform Floyd vs Canelo. Thats all that matters at THIS time.Posted August 13, 2013 1:19 pm
That thing doesnt speak like Old Yank…
( Le serpent a sonnette se trouve dans la gibeciere…)Posted August 13, 2013 1:17 pm
ray gordon reid
LUCUS MPosted August 13, 2013 1:16 pm
Yeah but the one thing Trout didn’t do was hurt Cott. Floyd almost had Cotto out of there in the 12. But to be honest Cotto looked terrible against Trout. Never really seen him look like that before. I just think Cotto is too small for 154.Posted August 13, 2013 11:54 am
I swear to God!
( Je vous le dis en verite, Floyd trainera le rouquin a la garderie…)Posted August 13, 2013 11:31 am
‘Which prove what?”
Supreme Court, I was countering Correctamundo’s argument regarding the Mayeather/Cotto fight, not challenging Floyd’s current status or record. But what it proves is that Trout performed better against Cotto than Floyd did. He worked harder, hit Cotto more, and on at least one judge’s scorecard won by a higher margin than Floyd did when he fought Cotto.Posted August 13, 2013 10:54 am
This is Floyd’s first blockbuster fight… If he gets past Canelo there will be Matthysse and Pacquiao… Those are going to be explosive fights, regardless of what anyone thinks.
All Floyd’s fights up to this point have been tame affairs.
Except for Judah… which was more silly than anything… Cotto was half way to being a tough fight … compared to what’s in store for Floyd in his next 3 fights.Posted August 13, 2013 10:49 am
I see Good
Canelo HITS a LOT harder than OLD SHOP WORN PAST HIS PRIME COTTO. Trout LITTERALLY had his WAY with Cotto. TOSS COTTO around like a RAG doll. Trout could NOT muscle Canelo around. Canelo LOVES to go to the BODY, HURT TROUT MANY a TIMES to the BODY, some experience enough FIGHT FANS notice it and mention it on these threads. Trout also did a NEW MOON walk in the 7th. SOMETHING Cotto ONLY WISHES he could do. Come Sept 14th , The CHERRYPICKER will BE in for a FIGHT. FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER. You just might SEE the GREATEST POUND FOR POUND PHONEY RUN ALL NIGHT> HE HAS TO. Yeah thats the SIGN of an ALL TIME GREAT. ha ha ha haPosted August 13, 2013 10:45 am
de Lima I.
Of course it will be an interesting fight!
The public is interested in any FMJ fight, but SA make this fight even more exciting!
Hidalgo, you made my interest in this fight grow from that. Powerful tht someone can point something out from a different view and make a fight more interesting.Posted August 13, 2013 7:16 am
“..Proof is in the pudding. Trout put on a better performance against Cotto than Floyd did.”
You can yap all you want, he will still be the p4p king; the highest paid athlete in the world; and on Sept 14, 45-0….
( Du verbiage inutile de ceux qui parlent sans rien dire…)Posted August 13, 2013 2:00 am
I dont Garcia is scared of Matthyse, I think he is nervous as hell that things wont go as planned for thim in front of millions of people, but hey he just has to check his bank account afterwards either way..Posted August 13, 2013 1:45 am
dead.Posted August 13, 2013 1:35 am
I like youPosted August 13, 2013 1:35 am
Can’t wait for you guys-Hidalgo, Squared, Ernie, Dyonyse- to die and I mean it in the more respectful way, of course.Posted August 13, 2013 1:34 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
Nice post, Hidalgo!Posted August 13, 2013 1:26 am
Hidalgo…, You made some great points in comparing Trout’s and Floyd’s fights with Cotto … Floyd worked harder… Got hit harder… sucked up more flush jabs to the face… got hurt more… and looked the worst for wear.
Trout looked like he was on the way to the office after the Cotto fight. Floyd looked like he ran into Sergio Martinez and they had a bust up.Posted August 13, 2013 1:25 am
Ignorance could be bliss sometimes, I guess.Posted August 13, 2013 1:15 am
Wow, good point. That’s a case of does the style make the fight or perhaps a sign of things to come?Posted August 13, 2013 1:09 am
“Cotto was only able to land 74 power punches over 12 rds vs Floyd which is about 5 per round. Cotto landed over 150 power shots vs Trout over 12 which is about 12 power shots landed per round. SO one of Floyd’s worst Defensive performances is still BETTER than Trout’s BEST….Thats why Trout is #0 P4P.”
Cotto also threw 122 more punches against Trout than he did against Mayweather. And, Trout landed 45% of his power punches against Cotto whereas Floyd landed only 34% of the power punches he threw at Cotto. Trout had a better power punch connect ratio against Cotto than Floyd did. 12% better. Trout and Cotto also fought at a higher work rate than Mayweather and Cotto did. Trout also had a higher aggregate score on the judges scorecards than Mayweather did, and he beat Cotto by a wider margin than Mayweather did.
Proof is in the pudding. Trout put on a better performance against Cotto than Floyd did.Posted August 13, 2013 1:07 am
Piss off dirtball. Nobody cares for you or your posts here. You’re irrelevent. Now do us a solid and break your PC.Posted August 13, 2013 1:05 am
ESB can surely do without stupid a$sholes like you.Posted August 13, 2013 12:32 am
Dionysus, the more you open your mouth the more stupid you look, please, go away.Posted August 13, 2013 12:31 am
My question I have right now about Wilder is the reason for the mask before the last fight? Did he realize how many bums he beat around for that record and get embarrassed?Posted August 13, 2013 12:26 am
Vivek is usually on point, no exception here. Wilder has a hell of a right hand and there is no denying it. He is improving (though still very rough looking) for the competition level he’s fighting. The only question that has to be answered Vivek nailed. Wilder has yet to get clocked by a puncher. He may make it all the way to a title fight before he gets tagged and possibly exposed (if being exposed happens). Look at Lucien Bute! Guy was The Man in the division, had major belt(s), no losses. Got cracked solid and totally became clueless of what to do. No side to side, latteral and or head movement. No grab and hold. Didn’t even know how to protect himself! Just backed straight up and got walked down and wailed on until the ref waved it off.
Garcia is done!!!! No matter what his game plan is! Never smart to trash talk one of the hardest punching boxers overall. If I was Garcia I’d tell my dad to shut up and I’d have lots of kind words for Mathysse leading up to the fight. I think Garcia is trying to display to Mathysse that he’s not scared (but he actually is, as that’s clearly out of character for Garcia). Everyone knows his dad has the job of trash talker, not him.
Canelo/FMJ will be a good fight. If Alvarez can’t cut off the ring and land something big it’s gonna business as usual for Floyd. Alvarez has the power and youth advantage while Mayweather has the ring generalship, speed and more big fight experience advantage.Posted August 13, 2013 12:03 am
Lol@ turbo Hamster…. You’re alright man.Posted August 12, 2013 11:34 pm
I see Good
If Garcia BOXES you Know the hit and RUN style. Garcia will WIN.. Now if Garcia wants to RUMBLE which he does, . Mathyeese WILL EASILY KNOCK Garcia OUT COLD. Mathyeese HITS harder than Garcia BY I FRICKING LOT!!!! Well it is a DANGEROUS MATCH a good match. Thats something you dont SEE much of these days, THE BEST WANTING TO FIGHT THE BEST.. No phoney 44/0 records.Posted August 12, 2013 11:18 pm
See what I did just there. Testing to make sure the comments were working.
That was more of a test than any of Deontays opponents.Posted August 12, 2013 11:16 pm
testPosted August 12, 2013 11:14 pm
It’s me moron, I see you are learning from me. Good, follow me and I will take you places.Posted August 12, 2013 11:10 pm
People keep questioning Wilder’s chin but that’s not necessarily relevant to a successful career; Roy Jones fought his whole HOF career with a weak chin & that chin was reached only at the tail-end of it. Deontay seems to have the size, speed & power to keep opponents from reaching his chin so if he can do that-like Wlad has been able to-he could be the next big American HW, weak chin or not.Posted August 12, 2013 11:06 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Now that’s a huge insult to
You are a joke nameless/supremecourt. You are ignored by everyone.Posted August 12, 2013 10:33 pm
I agree with you Vivek, also Olu G. Rotimi and Tark.
Surely Deontay’s next opponent will be a step up. He does look like he tries to box in there, sparring with Wlad must be helping him a lot even though it’s not a real match. A lot can happen in sparring. Certainly Deontay is picking up things from Wlad’s style that could improve his game.
I’m just not experienced enough to know what to say about the Canelo and Floyd match. I’m worried about Canelo’s stamina and work output. Against Trout he seemed to struggle a bit and only fought in spurts.
“Did Trout need giant Q-Tips up the snoot when he fought Cotto???”-Nope. But compared to Floyd he SURE needed to go take a Defense against Power PUNCHING class. Cotto was only able to land 74 power punches over 12 rds vs Floyd which is about 5 per round. Cotto landed over 150 power shots vs Trout over 12 which is about 12 power shots landed per round. SO one of Floyd’s worst Defensive performances is still BETTER than Trout’s BEST….Thats why Trout is #0 P4P.Posted August 12, 2013 9:54 pm
Gonzo the Benevolent
Everyday is King Daddy Matthysse Day in Gonzo’s house.Posted August 12, 2013 9:40 pm
Gonzo the Benevolent
”I’ve always been a loner, and I didn’t talk much. I divorced a while ago. I love being alone. I always have dogs around, I like to hunt, fish and, obviously, to train. Because to me this is not a sacrifice, it’s a pleasure.”
JUNIN, Argentina — It’s noontime on a Sunday as the Argentine city of Junin gets ready for a traditional siesta under a blazing midday sun. Located several hours’ drive away from the city of Buenos Aires, it looks deserted and still.
One-story houses. An occasional stray dog. Complete silence.
Located a few miles from the center of town is Gomez Lagoon, where sitting among the trees and birds with only his thoughts is Lucas Martin Matthysse, interim junior welterweight titlist and, to many, one of the most exciting fighters in the world today.
Matthysse, 30, was born in Trelew, in the southern province of Chubut. His father, Mario Edgardo, was a profesional fighter who had 51 bouts, including one aganist former middleweight champion Jorge Castro. Lucas’ mother, Doris, had a few amateur fights herself. And then there are his brothers and sisters: Walter (26-5-0, 1 ND, 25 KOs) fought Paul Williams and Kermit Cintron in the U.S., and Edith Soledad (9-4-1, 1 KO) recently fought in Mexico against Yazmin Rivas for a women’s bantamweight title, losing on points. Additionally, Edith Soledad’s husband, Mario Narvaez, is a veteran of 36 pro fights who happens to be the brother of junior bantamweight titlist Omar Narvaez.
The lineage, it seems, will continue: Walter’s 14-year-old son, Ezequiel, has already made his debut as an amateur. This excites Lucas, who compares his nephew’s story to his own.
“I left Trelew when my parents divorced. I started fighting at the age of 11, and my first coach was Huinca Mendez,” Matthysse said. “When I left Trelew, I had already fought as an amateur when I was 14, just like my nephew. Maybe because of that I have a special affection toward him, because his story is similar to mine. I went to live in Esperanza, Santa Fe, where my dad was born. And I traveled around to other small towns, like Rafaela and Vera — a small town where I met another guy who dreamed about becoming a boxer, like me.
“His name was Marcos, but we called him ‘Chino.’ Yes, it was Chino Maidana.”
Although soft-spoken, Matthysse (32-2) likes to tell stories and doesn’t mind opening up about himself.
“I’ve always been a loner, and I didn’t talk much,” Matthysse said. “Now I am living here, in the Posada del Sol, which is like a log cabin. I divorced a while ago. I love being alone. I always have dogs around, I like to hunt, fish and, obviously, to train. Because to me this is not a sacrifice, it’s a pleasure.”
Matthysse has lived in Junin, the birthplace of legendary heavyweight contender Luis Angel Firpo, for the past eight years, since the birth of his only daughter, Priscilla Yaneisi. (“I don’t even know how to spell her second name,” he joked. “I heard it once in Cuba and I liked it.”)
Junin is a boxing stronghold in Argentina. Matthysse trains at the Arano Box Gym, located in midtown and open exclusively for him with two rings, six heavy bags, lots of mirrors and lodging space for 12 people. That’s where the fighters live, along with their sparring partners and the rest of the team: Promoter Mario Arano, Barrera, coach (and cook) Dario Fernandez, physical trainer Gerardo Pereyra, longtime doctor Edgardo Leguizamoon and Smurf Arano, Mario’s brother and jack-of-all-trades in camp.
Matthysse has fought five current or former champions, knocking down all of them (including DeMarcus “Chop Chop” Corley’s nine trips to the canvas in 2011). And according to some, including promoter Arano, Matthysse could very well be undefeated at this point: “He never really lost in the ring, because against [Zab] Judah and [Devon] Alexander, he was robbed,” Arano said.
Those sketchy split-decision losses are already on the books, but Matthysse can continue to build on his spectacular recent run on Saturday when he defends against Mike Dallas Jr. (19-2-1, 8 KOs) in Las Vegas. Dallas, a former prospect, lost in each of his first two step-up bouts (against Josesito Lopez and Mauricio Herrera), although he rebounded to win both of his fights last year.
Yes, at first sight [Dallas] is not much of an opponent, but we’re not taking anyone lightly and we’re training, as always, all the way to be in our best possible shape and avoid surprises,” said Matthysse’s trainer, Luis Dionisio “Cuty” Barrera. “We’re not studying videos or anything, because we — especially me, as a trainer — value more the certainty that Lucas is well trained and at his best possible level. If you look at it this way, then they are the ones who should be worried.”
Although Matthysse says he isn’t looking past Dallas, he makes no secret of his intentions for 2013: to take down the biggest names at 140 pounds.
“I want to fight Danny Garcia, that’s the story,” Matthysse said of the unified junior welterweight titleholder. “I feel that’s the fight I need to demonstrate that I’m the true and only champ in the division. I don’t like to throw names around. All I want is to be recognized as the only champion.”
Matthysse had a fight scheduled against Erik Morales in September 2011, but he decided to withdraw, which might have affected his standing with the Golden Boy suits. Matthysse might have been further diminished in the eyes of some when Garcia went on to fight Morales twice in 2012, outpointing him in March to win a vacant belt and destroying him in a brutal fourth-round knockout in October.
“It was a complicated moment for me,” Matthysse said. “I was getting divorced, my friend Carlitos Ponce had just lost his mom and I had a strong case of bronchitis. I don’t believe my defenses were down or something like that, but I got sick. If it had been for the money, maybe I would have fought anyway, but I don’t fight just for the money. I fight to be the best. So instead of risking a loss, I decided to step aside.”
But as much as the boxing public might have longed to see Matthysse take on Morales, the Mexican legend, a couple of years ago, the demand may be even higher right now for him to face fellow action star and countryman Maidana. It’s a tough sell for the fighters and friends.
“I’ve known him since we were kids, when we were traveling from one town to the other in the back of a truck to fight as amateurs,” Matthysse said of Maidana. “And we fought several times in those days. But today that’s a fight created by the journalists, more than anything. He is at around 147 pounds, and I don’t think he’ll like the idea of dropping so much weight. And I am the 140-pound champ; I am not in the mood to go that high up.”
Matthysse is reminded that it’s his own promoter, Oscar De La Hoya, who, more than any other, has insisted on the idea of a Maidana matchup. “Well, I don’t know,” he said. “If we have to fight, I am sure we will, because we’re professionals. But right now, I believe it doesn’t make that much sense.”
Matthysse admits he has few issues making weight, and to demonstrate, he eats from a huge pot bubbling with chicken, potatoes, carrots, peppers, rice, corn on the cob and, laughs Fernandez, who cooked up the stew, “a secret ingredient from the chef.”
“A few days ago, a huge iguana popped up around here, and we barbecued it,” Matthysse said. “It was tasty.”
According to Barrera, Matthysse “sleeps all the time.” There’s an explanation for that: “Lucas sleeps all he can because he works too much. He gets up at 5 a.m. and runs about 14, 15 kilometers [about nine miles]. He gets some rest and then goes to the gym for strength and conditioning training. He has lunch, takes a nap and then, at around 4 p.m., goes to the gym once again to work on his boxing. And he works out at least 15 rounds every day, sparring every other day. That takes its toll. He is lucky to be eating well, because he has no weight issues, but right after dinner, at around 9 p.m., he goes right back to sleep.”
In the meantime, all of the focus is directed to Matthysse’s next fight. He continues working hard in camp while carving out time for long walks with his dog, Pirate, before taking the rest of the stray dogs along for the ride.
“I have been in camp during the past four Christmases,” Matthysse said. “I’m used to it. Now we have to do it again for Mike Dallas, someone I don’t know too well, but just as Cuty says, the joke is on the other guy.”
“When we had the fight with [Ajose] Olusegun [a 10th-round TKO victory in September 2012], I told Lucas that winning was our only choice, even though we could lose some of the good things we were working on,” Barrera said. “We couldn’t allow ourselves to be robbed like we did against Alexander or Judah. That’s why maybe he didn’t look so great from a technical standpoint, but he demonstrated he can punch and everything else he has going for him. Now that he is a champ, I am sure he will be even more confident.
“This will be the Year of Lucas.”
Matthysse agrees: “All I know is that I feel better than ever and that in this year I will demonstrate that. I hope Danny Garcia takes the fight because it will be the best way to demonstrate what I’m capable of.”Posted August 12, 2013 9:39 pm
Nothing controversial about how Trout was decked for the 1st time in his life… Nothing controversial about how he was shaken up several times… Nothing controversial about Trout not being able to mount a sustained attack — or land an effective glove on Canelo — or Canelo’s unmarked face.
Now, Floyd’s face wasn’t unmarked when he faced Cotto.. Those weren’t controversial Q-Tips Roger was plunging up Floyd’s nose holes.
Did Trout need giant Q-Tips up the snoot when he fought Cotto???Posted August 12, 2013 9:35 pm
Garcia is going to pay for his lack of movement against Matthysse, early KO for Matthysse. Khan would more than likely beat Matthysse now.Posted August 12, 2013 9:34 pm
What is in Canelo #trout to brag about?
Bee…, “Arturo gatti, oops I meant Canelo.”
You didn’t see the Canelo-Trout fight… And you didn’t see Trout-Cotto… And you didn’t see Floyd-Cotto.Posted August 12, 2013 9:07 pm
Old Yank-Danny Garcia is the Hooker here. Matthysse is the EVERY shot in the BOOKER….I doubt that either guy can take the others BEST shot SO its not a matter of trading for Garcia. Its a matter of getting his BEST shot IN before Matthysse DOES…..WE all know that Matthysse has more overall Firepower where even one od his LESSER shots can hurt you. Danny wants to get his left hook in before taking much damage…..but that may be easier SAID than DONE.Posted August 12, 2013 9:04 pm
Old Yank…, “I don’t think Deontay has the footwork to fight any way other than Miranda-style.”
Miranda couldn’t defend.. Just couldn’t.. Wilder can use the ring very well.. He backed off Liakhovich to begin the round.. He’s not a guy who doesn’t believe in taking a backwards step.. His feet are pretty quick.. If he fought Chisora he would give him a lot of space believe me — as much as Haye gave DC, but not as masterfully as Haye did it. wilder doesn’t have the rounds or the opponents to box like that.
But he does box … and he is interested in learning how to box and defend a lot better. He’s a bomber, but not a brawler. Like Louis. He’s the Bronze Bomber, but isn’t anxious to meet his Max Schmeling.Posted August 12, 2013 9:01 pm
Why stay vague?
The Highest Court is perplexed by something that is close to ungratefulness by fans… For years they have complained about politics that prevented great match ups.
BOB ARUM is for boxing what CANCER is for living tissues!
Don’t be shy praising Golden Boy promotion; Showtimes. That’s another way to encourage them and trigger a possible chain reactions.
(Bob Arum , cet escroc notoire est un cancer pour la boxe)Posted August 12, 2013 8:49 pm
Vivek I think you are a boxing genius. You know your stuff. However, Arturo gatti, oops I meant Canelo is going to have to Ride without his training wheels , on a freeway agains a Ferrari that becomes a Mack truck in his biggest fights. Money May is simply too fast, underratedly strong and best thinker in the ring for the Mack/ dump truck named Canelo to find. His only chance, yes I said it, is to knockout Mayweather. His whiskers have also been tested by Ricky hatton’s older brother and he showed some resilience albeit Hatton didn’t have enough experience in big fights to finish him off. Mayweather by unanimous decision or Canelo’s team throwing in the towel by round 11 when he is way down on the cards, taking unnecessary punishment and they save his career with the white flag..big up Vivek. You are the best but remember this post on september 15th.Posted August 12, 2013 8:42 pm
In 1979 Hagler had an opportunity to become the undisputed middleweight champion when he allowed the Antuofermo fight to go to the cards. He would be the first to tell you that it changed him as a fighter forever. Matthysse is no Marvin Hagler, but I certainly believe he got the same message Hagler did and has fought differently ever since getting the message.Posted August 12, 2013 8:17 pm
Right on the money, Old Yank.
That’s why I was really looking forward to the Chisora/Wilder match-up that had to be cancelled this summer. It would have really told us more about Deontay Wilder than the bout with Sergei Liakhovich.
He may or may not be able to handle the pressure because of the reasons I stated in the previous post you referenced. We just don’t know because we haven’t seen him have to do it up to this point in his career.
That’s not incriminating him by any means, Detonay just hasn’t been faced with that scenario just yet.Posted August 12, 2013 8:11 pm
CORRECTAMUNDO — If you look at Marquez/Vasquez #2, and #3 we see perfect examples of the old saying, “Don’t hook with a hooker.” There is NO DOUBT in my mind that Danny has confidence in his left hook. If he chooses to get into the hooking game he will be on the losing end of that old saying.Posted August 12, 2013 8:09 pm
Joseph Herron — RE: Deontay. Kelly Pavlik (before he was a household name in boxing) said of the then feared Edison Miranda something to the effect of, “I’m going to be the first guy that proves Miranda can’t fight going backwards”. Your points about Deontay reminded me of Kelly’s coment. I don’t think Deontay has the footwork to fight any way other than Miranda-style. We will see what happens when the first man forces him to fight while going backward. There is much about Deontay that we’ve not seen tested. Therefore, in spite of his record he remains at this juncture a promising prospect.Posted August 12, 2013 8:04 pm
Lman…., You say, “Canelo doesnt have much of a reach advantage over Floyd, which means Floyd will have no trouble coming over the top of Canelos jab with the straight right.”
He’ll have plenty of problems… Won’t be a piece of cake for sure.
Trout’s people thought Trout would pick off Canelo with slick right jabs and hooks all night long — like he did to Miguel Cotto.
They forgot that Canelo is a lot quicker and stronger than Cotto. They forgot that Canelo is better defensively than Cotto. They forgot that Canelo is a more dangerous puncher than Cotto and you couldn’t pressure and bully Canelo the way Trout did to Cotto… Just food for thought.Posted August 12, 2013 8:02 pm
Good point, Lman.
Most of Canelo’s detractors remember and bring up quite often Cotto rocking Alvarez in the outset of their meeting several years ago.
But Canelo is a much different fighter now and has grown in every aspect of the fight game, mentally and physically.
Canelo has never seen the kind of speed in the gym or in a prizefight that he will witness on September 14th. I’m not sure he’s ready to defeat a fighter like Mayweather, but who cares.
The fact that this fight was made shows how strong the sport is at this point in time. The idea that the fighters and the promoters have listened to the fans this time when they demanded this fight speaks volumes on the direction of the sport today.
Credit to all parties for making this fight happen. We don’t know if it will live up to the hype on fight night, but again who cares!!
The best is fighting the best…and that is ultimately what’s best for the sport!!Posted August 12, 2013 7:12 pm
Canelo doesnt have much of a reach advantage over Floyd, which means Floyd will have no trouble coming over the top of Canelos jab with the straight right, this will make Canelo think twice about throwing it, also if Canelo still has stamina issues leading to the championship rounds Floyd will pick him off. As for Canelo hardly getting buzzed in a fight, Cotto’s brother who is a natural WW buzzed him good in their fight but didnt have the power or class to follow up, Floyds been buzzed also but by a proven hard hitting WW in Mosley, what does that tell you.Posted August 12, 2013 6:41 pm
Yeah, it’s promoted on FB as well…sister!! lolPosted August 12, 2013 6:12 pm
de Lima I.
Oh! Sounds great! So then you must have a comprehensive boxing knowledge.
Good observations, Correctamundo.
Matthysse admitted that he started to slowly and didn’t fight as aggressively as he should have.
If you notice when you look at his career, everything changed after the Alexander bout. Lucas’ showings against Ajose and Soto were breathtaking.
And you’re right about Danny’s power. He can knock-out any fighter at 140 and 147 if he lands that left hook. But he often depends on his durability to be able to land his vaunted left hook, which would be a very risky fight plan against a sharp-shooter like Lucas.
But, you’re right…whenever you have the kind of power that Danny has, you’re in each and every match-up in boxing!!Posted August 12, 2013 5:58 pm
De Lima I, I host the Pugilist KOrner with Ronnie Shields and James Gogue. It’s here on Eastsideboxing.com every Sunday night and Tuesday night at 9PM EST.
You can catch the archive replay on the embedded player if you scroll down the front page of the site.
Hope you can check it out…please feel free to let me know what you think.
Thanks, brother!!Posted August 12, 2013 5:52 pm
“Both the Judah and Alexander fights where close.”-IF I remember CORRECTLY they were also only 10 rd Fights. Thats also when Matthysse was more patient in FACT TOO patient. When he turned it UP he ran out of rounds. Judah would have never heard the end of the 12th to benefit from the ROBBERY. He RAN and HELD like a dirty NFL Offensive lineman….Alexander was in the same predicament. Since then Matthysse has changed UP and attacks more ferociously early Alexander and Judah won’t stand a chance….Garcia has a higher Boxing IQ than Alexander and Judah….WELL stated Opinions by Old Yank and Herron but the FACT is that Garcia DOES have the tool IF he can find a way to land it. The left hook that hit Morales will knock ANY, Man, Woman, or Child UP to 170lbs OUT….and Matthysse falls in that category.Posted August 12, 2013 5:45 pm
de Lima I.
Joseph — “But as I stated on the show last night”
Arroyo, very poor gameplan for Garcia.
Garcia is not an effective aggressor. He will not last two rounds if he tries to back-up Matthysse who both counters and leads very well with short compact shots.Posted August 12, 2013 5:16 pm
the fact is we may have a pretty good fight on our hands. So many aspects so Ill deal with just two. Danny says he will back Matt. up as he doesnt know if he can fight that way (a common boxing charge against pressure fighters). If you watch the Peterson fight youll notice Matt. momentarily stepping back often, although not in retreat and I dont know if Danny has the ability to make him retreat. Lucas has developed a right hand to the head timed by the opponents jab. Not exactly a counter but right at the same time. He did it against Peterson (which was the first big punch of the fight and led to the knock out) and Dallas. Danny will have a new game plan. The question is will it be effective.Posted August 12, 2013 5:07 pm
As for Deontay, I think sky is the limit.
But as I stated on the show last night, he has to work on either improving his counterpunching abilities or not loading up on every punch he throws. The fact that he depends on being flat footed to throw shots and uses his footwork as his primary line of defense at the same time raises a lot of questions concerning fights with effective aggressors like Cristobal Arreola, Derek Chisora, and Bermane Stiverne.
When you load up on every punch, you have to be flat footed to deliver your shots. How can you let your hands go with the same explosiveness while having to scurry out of harms way every time an opponent mounts an attack?
He should start incorporating more touch jabs and flicking left hands into his arsenal to set up the punishing right hand like Wladimir Klitschko, or he runs the risk of suffering the same fate of a young Klitschko and running out of gas in the mid to late rounds.Posted August 12, 2013 5:03 pm
ANSWER: Khan took a head shot (neck shot to be more accurate) at the end of the third from Garcia that toppled his balance and took his legs. Who here actually believes that Garcia was precision punching for Khan’s neck?Posted August 12, 2013 4:55 pm
Well said, Old Yank.Posted August 12, 2013 4:52 pm
Joseph Herron — If pundits spent as much time using their eyes to watch a fighter as they do placing an emphasis (or misplaced emphasis) on a fighter’s resume, then they’d see Mathysse has every bit of technical skill as Garcia (and perhaps even more).Posted August 12, 2013 4:51 pm
Why do most pundits seem to think Garcia is the more skilled fighter going into this match-up?
Curious.Posted August 12, 2013 4:43 pm
There are head shots that take your heart, that take your strength, that take your legs, zap you of your speed and those that topple your balance (the ultimate are the ones that take your consciousness). Which kind of head shot did Khan take at the end of the third?Posted August 12, 2013 4:40 pm
Correctamundo, Danny does have a deceptively high ring IQ, but doesn’t have the tools to win this one, I’m afraid.
Garcia is a mid-range bomber who depends on countering his opposition with his home-run left hook. As we witnessed in his fights against Kendall Holt and more recently Zab Judah, Danny is not an effective aggressor and depends on catching his opponents at mid-range.
Very risky game-plan against an accurate power puncher with shorter, more compact shots, who is also an effective aggressor.
I hope Danny isn’t listening to his entourage who are filling his head full of ideas that Lucas isn’t as technically proficient.
Matthysse is a much more technically able fighter than most recognize. Because Lucas is so powerful, he doesn’t get enough recognition for being technically savvy. But unfortunately for his opposition, the Argentine puncher is very intelligent and fights well from mid to short range.
What is Danny going to do when he discovers that Lucas’ punches find their mark from a shorter distance and in a quicker period of time?
Danny’s confidence will be key here. If he can withstand Matthysse’s best shots from short range long enough to land his brand of power, he could pull out the victory. But it’s a very risky fight plan.
I see Matthysse using feints and setting traps to disrupt Danny’s timing to land his vaunted short, compact right hand. I just hope Garcia’s beard as good as he thinks it is.
Great match-up!!Posted August 12, 2013 4:40 pm
Choky: had Vivek predicted Floyd victory, you would have been all over the place crying foul play. He predicted the opposite, yet you are still all over the place requesting for capital punishment….. Which invalidates whatever you can say about him, for lack of credibility….Posted August 12, 2013 4:35 pm
When Wilder KOs a legit top 15 contender then I’ll start buying into the hype. Sergei wasn’t top 30 and has been a trial horse for years.Posted August 12, 2013 4:35 pm
Both the Judah and Alexander fights where close.Posted August 12, 2013 4:30 pm
Old Yank: That was also part of the equation solved by Leonard team!!!!!
I can’t help bringing up Leonard # Hagler, for there are more similarities than dissimilarities when compared to Garcia # Mathysse:
Hopkins acknowledged Pavlik power: they designed a plan that took the kid to school.Posted August 12, 2013 4:26 pm
regarding Wilder i believe that he can Knock out anybody but can he take a punch ? this i dont know – from what i heard he was wobbled by a journeyman in his 6th or 7th fight – so guess we have to wait and see until he is really tested by somebody who can hit him back but his power is impressive – just need to see his chin testedPosted August 12, 2013 4:22 pm
seems to me that vivek who worships mayweather is only saying that canelo will win so that after mayweather has easily won by ud he will be able to claim that this time mayweather proved beyond doubt that he is one the greteast ever
Neil (Pomy) — I’d be stunned if both chins were left untested. I’m reasonably certain we know Matthysse has a beard. A 67 year old Judah is not exactly the greatest beard tester on the planet for us to learn much about Garcia (but rattled Garcia was). I can’t say I’ve seen Garcia’s chin put up to the kind of test Matthysse has passed.Posted August 12, 2013 4:17 pm
Supreme Court — I was stunned at how much Hagler had left in the tank after 12. Remember, Hagler had been fighting at the championship distance of 15 rounds and Leonard insisted on 12. At the end of 12 Leonard had fully emptied his tank and Hagler was prancing around the ring like he had another 3 rounds in the tank – in my opinion it lost him the fight! What the hell was he saving it for?Posted August 12, 2013 4:13 pm
CORRECTAMUNDO — Well said!Posted August 12, 2013 4:09 pm
i want to see his chin testedPosted August 12, 2013 4:05 pm
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natthyssePosted August 12, 2013 4:02 pm
Leonard boxed around Hagler, which confused him to the point he made what many view as the “foolest” decision of his career: switching his stance to orthodoxe (Its easy to criticise a posteriori: Hagler and team knew Leonard was smart, and would have studied and prepared for southpaw stance…)…
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
FACT: Matthysse beat both Judah and Alexander, so should still be undefeated.
Never agree to fight Alexander in St.Louis or he will get a home cooked, gift-wrapped decision every single time — even if you beat him from pillar to post for 9-10 rounds.Posted August 12, 2013 3:58 pm
Danny’s strength is his Boxing IQ. He’s one of the CHESS players in the Sport. IF he’s talking more it’s because he’s setting something UP. He has enough power to knock Matthysse out. The shots that he hit Morales and Khan with can pretty much knock ANYONE out….The problem here IS that Danny has to worry a lot more about incoming FIRE…Khan and Morales didn’t pack Hand grenades they packed Pellet guns. They csn hurt you with accumulation but Matthysse can take you out with ONE shot from either hand. He has enough accuracy and ferocity that he doesn’t even have to set his shots UP. Just fire them OFF until he hits something. He has enough chin where he can be successful with that strategy as long as he avoids the perfect shot.Posted August 12, 2013 3:58 pm
Nonsense… If Khan couldn’t take a punch he never would have finished his last fight… He absorbed some colossal head shots… He keeps taking bombs like that it’s no good. Nobody can absorb big punches indefinitely without incurring a lot of damage.
He also took some massive head shots from Marcos Maidana too… He had no idea how to get out of the way of those shots. Boxing is not a track meet. You can’t run or you won’t get any fights. If Virgil Hunter can’t teach this kid to defend himself something is wrong.
I don’t think Hunter is trying hard enough. The fighter can’t do everything.Posted August 12, 2013 3:56 pm
From the opinion of many knowledgeable boxing fans, Danny Garcia is slightly below Mathysse in most areas…
I am not sure Garcia’s corner is up to the task…
I see Good
I think KHAN should learn from FLOYD MAYWEATHER. this is NOT a joke. I am serious, KHAN has LIGHTNING FAST HANDS. He also has a GLASS JAW.. Now if KHAN would STICK to boxing hit and RUN. He would be a CHAMPION.. Its when KHAN gets macho and STARTS fighting the other guys fight. MAN to MAN slug fest he gets TAG. It would be OK if he could take a punch but he CANT.Posted August 12, 2013 3:44 pm
A fighter doesn’t have to be great in all facets of boxing, just pretty good at them…most fighters only do one or two things real good and they get by….but the jab has several variations and it’s the most important part of a fighters arsenal, mainly because it can carry you thru a fight regardless of how good (or bad) you are at other aspects of the science……Garcia has room for improvement as long as he allows to be taught by the right peoplePosted August 12, 2013 3:26 pm
One area I see where Danny can improve a ton is his jab… Judah took his jab away 90%… He couldn’t lead with it at all… There is nobody around as good at teaching the jab as Manny Steward was — but Danny and Matthysse both could use a few training sessions with Wladimir Klitschko telling them how to jab a slick southpaw, or adjust the stance and jab for different styles and heights.Posted August 12, 2013 3:17 pm
Both the Judah and the Alexander fights where close fights. I thought Judah lost because of the knockdown and I thought Alexander pulled it out by a point.Posted August 12, 2013 3:13 pm
Old Yank…, “It only took 2 1/2 rounds to make his face look like that.”
Danny didn’t look bad at all.. He was the coolest guy in his corner.. He knew he was getting closer to Khan, and doing more damage with every punch … and that he was about to bring down the hammer.. Just look how calm and relaxed he was compared to his people … I don’t think anyone else in that corner had a whole lot of boxing insight to see what was going on.
Khan was getting ripped out.Posted August 12, 2013 3:11 pm
The REAL Vivek Wallace
fellas, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME posting today and all other comments that bear my name should be removed from memory. As i have not posted. I had a chance to read some of your post but i dont (unfortunately) have time to stay in the thread. Interesting points delivered. I will continue to check as often as i can and follow up if time permits. OneLove!Posted August 12, 2013 1:54 pm
Vito — Do you honestly believe that Mathysse’s bouts against Judah and Alexander “tell us who he is”? I think those bouts tell us more about how fishy score cards can be.Posted August 12, 2013 1:46 pm
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OK VITOPosted August 12, 2013 1:44 pm
What Danny Garcia’s face looked like after 2 1/2 rounds against Khan is something all fans should take note of. It only took 2 1/2 rounds to make his face look like that. Don’t tell me Garcia is highly skilled defensively! I like him! He’s got reasonable defensive skills but his face after 2 1/2 rounds against Khan ought to give Garcia fans pause. I think his UNCHARISTIC rising level of chatter is more likely a sign of nervousness, uncertainty and concern. His QUIET CONFIDENCE is GONE!Posted August 12, 2013 12:48 pm
ray gordon reid — Thanks for remembering. I’ve not had time to indulge myself with writing right now. If life unfolds as hoped, perhaps I will take pen to paper before the year is out.Posted August 12, 2013 12:35 pm
I am no fan of Khan — always saw him as over-rated hype with a stunningly low ring IQ — almost as low a ring IQ as Jason Litzau. But for nearly 3 full rounds he was beating Garcia. Up until the final 20 seconds of round three, I had Khan winning by a shutout. But the very competent Garcia caught Khan and the rest is history – the better fighter won. Placing Garcia on some pedestal for besting the low ring IQ Khan had better not be the crowning achievement of his career. Danny’s all-around competence, preparation and abundant confidence had better produce something more than we’ve seen against Khan and Malignaggi or else he’s in trouble. And I think he’s in trouble.Posted August 12, 2013 12:33 pm
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OLD YANK DID SOME ARTICLES ON ESBPosted August 12, 2013 12:25 pm
Vivek — Do you honestly believe that Mathysse’s bouts against Judah and Alexander “tell us who he is”? Whew, bad example my old friend.Posted August 12, 2013 11:36 am
Canelo is taking this onePosted August 12, 2013 11:36 am
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MATTHYSSEPosted August 12, 2013 10:45 am
Wilders spindly legs will be doing the chicken dance, as soon as he fights anyone half decenPosted August 12, 2013 10:36 am
Killing Moon The Soothsayer
Deontay Wilder is little more than a lottery-ticket at this point in his career…We’re talking about a fighter who’s never been in a ring with a live opponent,29 fights and 27 year old…I see alot of warning signs in the fact that he’s not being readied for a title-shot …Since we all know that the US is starving for a HW-contender(No disrespect Tony T) and the money which follows that status….His handlers must have serious doubts about one of the following chin,defence,heart.etc Since they’re not taking serious steps to get him ready…I’m not saying that Wilder couldn’t be interesting in the mix…Because he looks the part…..I’m just saying until he beats a someone or close to someone….We just don’t know….
Mayweather beats Canelo and Mathysse beats Garcia(Vivek should look at the fights he supposedly lost to those slicksters….Not only did he put both men to the ground, but you could also make a strong point that he got robbed in both fights )Posted August 12, 2013 10:24 am
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good morimng vivek wallacePosted August 12, 2013 10:18 am
Olu G. Rotimi
As for Garcia vs Matthyse yes Garcia is talking a good fight but from what I have seen of both guys to think Matthyse is purely a puncher is wrong. He is a patient fighter a boxer who can punch and the power is immense. He is also tough and durable. He is demonstrating excellent ring generalship. Garci has to shows us things he has not displayed before to win this fight in my opinion.
I think that by Matthyse refiusing to go on the press tour so as not to interfere with his training that team Garcia have been sppoked. Danny is doing more talking which he does not usually do.Posted August 12, 2013 10:07 am
Olu G. Rotimi
Deontay Wilder’s power is frightening. It will be interesting to see how he responds to someone who can take his power and fight back. What is their not to like. He is an American heavyweight to get excited about.
As for Mayweather and Canelo people a great mistake is being made and perhaps Canelo is the sentimental favourite for a lot of people and while he is a good fighter I will stress point out 1 facet of the game or skills that he is better than Mayweather at and you will struggle. The only advantage he has is size. His youth is not an advantage. In my view Canelo has had so many fights weighted in his favour even the Trout fight was not 50:50 as you would expect. Like every opponent he will be surprised that Mayweather is physically stronger than they presume and he is as good a puncher or better than Canelo. Canelo is going to get hit consistently in this fight and on the button and deal with things he has never experienced or faced before. Mayweather has beaten better boxers and fighters than Canelo and my predictionis Mayweather will stop Canelo anytime from rounds 6 onwards into the last quarter. I sense Money Mayweather wants to make a statement this fight.Posted August 12, 2013 10:03 am
i like Wilder, but I fear for him against legit competition, although like Fury his massive size will see him through some fights he doesn’t deserve to win.
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CANELOPosted August 12, 2013 8:13 am
Canelo has a big job ahead of him what he needs to beat Mayweather is a double and Triple Jab to the point where at the end of the fight that left arm is about to rip at the seams. The only thing I see that could possible keep Mayweather off rythm, any time Mayweather is within range or might come within range pump the jab. Try to work Mayweather to the ropes lose 4 punch combo then move out of range for any counter. Don’t just chase give chase and at time be chased, make Mayweather continue to think even if he thinks hes found something the work us it sparingly. It’s going to be a tough fight for Canelo, oh yeah he should load up on his punches just be quick. I don’t think Canelo will be able to pull this off, if Canelo win it will be by KO. The work rate it would take to pull off what I discribed would be too much for Canelo.Posted August 12, 2013 7:59 am
Something tells me that Canelo is going to try to focus on the body early to take away Floyd’s legs late. Thst won’t work because the price will be TOO high with shots to Mayweather’s body being traded for straight shots to Canelo’s FACE.Posted August 12, 2013 7:35 am
CORRECTION. ..I TOLD Canelo…Posted August 12, 2013 7:29 am
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MATHYSSE CANELOPosted August 12, 2013 7:28 am
Canelo’s Boxing IQ is HIGH…. SO is Mayweather’s. The Big difference in this Fight is going to be SPEED. Floyd just has TOO much SPEED for Canelo. Floyd also has that 6th sense that people don’t talk about. Its why everyone can always point to the specific times he got POPPED. Because its SO rare….Even IF Mayweather gets knocked down on the break like Rigo DID vs Donaire half of the Boxing World would be jumping out of their SEATS….Canelo’s punches on his combinations are very difficult to anticipate but Floyd is going to play the distance game and make it TOO difficult for Canelo to get combinations off. That’s why I yold Canelo to prepare to WIN a Pot shotting CLINIC.Posted August 12, 2013 7:28 am