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It’s Me, Ernie

Yeah he died a while back but his makeup people are some of the best in the business…

Posted August 15, 2013 10:55 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

PEEJ must be one sick pup to fantasize about getting a reach-around of a dead man.

Posted August 15, 2013 2:10 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Isn’t Larry Merchant dead though. I heard he croaked it during one of the HBO live broadcasts. It must be true because I haven’t seen him on there for ages either.

Posted August 15, 2013 2:09 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

“he noshes away enthusiastically on Floyd’s bone like it was made out of ambrosia.” while giving Larry Merchant a reach-around…

Posted August 15, 2013 12:25 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Scroll down the page PEEJ.. You fail yet again. ROFL. How many times do you need to get brutally humiliated in public and made to look stupid before it finally dawns on you that you’re a complete idiot?

Posted August 14, 2013 11:26 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

LMAO, Schooling the fools two at a time…

Posted August 14, 2013 7:18 pm 


PEEJ

I could care less about your past debates. Any time you have tried debating with me you just start insulting which basically lets me know your wrong and you have realized it.

Posted August 14, 2013 6:03 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

running away from the debate with their tails tucked firmly between their legs

Posted August 14, 2013 5:14 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

PEEJ.. No, you often talk about boxing but often times your ”facts” are in fact actually bollocks.

And I insult those who deserve to be insulted, like your dumb ass for instance. I also talk plenty of boxing too. However, when I do people have a tendency to end getting owned or running away from the debate with their legs tucked firmly between their legs. Go check the Nathan Cleverly-Sergey Kovalev thread a few pages back. Everyone decided to bolt back into the chicken coop when Brother Gonzo turned up the heat. ROFL.

Posted August 14, 2013 5:13 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

ROFL Brother Ernie. Well played Brother.

Posted August 14, 2013 5:07 pm 


PitBull Petrill

thanks for the long drug posts everyone as I had never read them.

Posted August 14, 2013 2:26 pm 


PitBull Petrill

As big of a Klit fan as I am I do feel he gassed against Brewster.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:12 pm 


PitBull Petrill

pragmatic: time is longevity and longevity exemplifies greatness.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:11 pm 


PEEJ

Nope I state facts Ernie. All gonzo does is insult people rarely stating anything about boxing.

Posted August 14, 2013 12:00 pm 


ANON

or like Ernie?

Posted August 14, 2013 11:39 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Where else would he create it, out of his ass like you do?

Posted August 14, 2013 10:56 am 


PEEJ

Unfortunately most of the stuff Gonzo post is ridiculous. He creates it in his own mind.

Posted August 14, 2013 9:50 am 


RUFFKNIGHT

Thanks for all that Gonzo. I would dread putting all that in and then have them tell me I’m going too fast.

Posted August 14, 2013 4:51 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

You’re welcome Fight Aficionado

Posted August 14, 2013 12:59 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Twenty or thirty

Posted August 14, 2013 12:57 am 


BEARS

Yes peter was hurt. Bad. In the 11th

Posted August 13, 2013 9:33 pm 


PEEJ

How many fighters did he fight that where good before Wlad? I was saying 3 to 4 fights before that that he was overrated. As a matter of fact I used to post it on here. Peters was not that good. If you didn’t have a chin he would beat you, if you could take a shot, jab and step to the side you could beat him

Posted August 13, 2013 9:15 pm 


Anonymous

Bears…. When you’re in a clinch and you land a rabbit punch you get a severe warning or point deducttion.. When you’re throwing a roundhouse punch, or any outside punch, and it lands behind the head, you’re opponent is generally trying to duck your punch, lean away from it or whatever… You will generally get the benefit of the doubt for non-intentional on that, if you’re the thrower — but if you knock your opponent down the referee is supposed to wave it off because a legal blow didn’t cause the knockdown — just like a trip or a slip gets waved off.

Only one legitimate knockdown, but none of them hurt Wladimir. The guy who was hurt in the fight was Peter, and he was way behind.

Posted August 13, 2013 8:23 pm 


K2 Fan

Peej ; An extraordinary perceptive analisys of Peters short comings ; ” Peter
was so overrated . All you needed was a jab against Peter and be able to step to the side and you were pretty much a lock to win the fight “. You sound like
a ” real ” expert . Now , would you mind telling us just how many fighters managed to figure out your extremely perceptive observation and ” WIN the
fight ” , PRIOR to Wlad ?

Posted August 13, 2013 7:07 pm 


BEARS

Tark- I really don’t care about peters “intention” in the first fight when throwing the winging shots. All that matters is the objectivity not the subjectivity. The ref should’ve jumped peters ass and possibly dq’ed him. No dount warnings andpoint deductions were in order. But the poignant fact is wlad just would not be denied, would not be stopped.

Posted August 13, 2013 7:01 pm 


PEEJ

Don’t know about all that. I don’t remember what fight it was but after watching it I knew anybody with a jab and could step to the side could be Wlad. I was waiting for him to fight Byrd but that fight never came up. Byrd would of taken him to school

Posted August 13, 2013 5:46 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Gonzo the Benevolent thanks for posting that letter from Senator McCaine. Creepy. I never saw that stuff before and don’t recall the line moving from 11/1 to 3.5/1.

Posted August 13, 2013 5:24 pm 


Fight Aficionado

I remember the prime Sam Peter well and was on his bandwagon after his 7th pro fight. Was hoping he’d rep Nigeria like Ike The President Ibeabucchi but he never developed his skills from those early days. The guy who KTFO tomato cans early on was the same guy years later when he faced the division’s best. Wlad did prove he could handle adversity that night and people who try to discredit his accomplishments try to write off Peter, but fact is he was a dangerous puncher till Wlad dismantled him. Peter was never the same after losing.

Posted August 13, 2013 5:12 pm 


PEEJ

He is probably already done. Just waiting to announce his returement.

Posted August 13, 2013 2:11 pm 


ray gordon reid

when is vitali fighting

Posted August 13, 2013 1:39 pm 


Sixto

masturbating little hamster has not the behavior of an educated MD. BS!!

Posted August 13, 2013 1:31 pm 


ray gordon reid

WALDIMIR

Posted August 13, 2013 12:59 pm 


BEARS

Wladimir is gonna pass up joe loius! Wlads records are already awesome. Aswell as vitalys records and accolades are already awesome. In the anals of boxing history the klitschkos have really set themselves apart an in these regards no other heavyweight in history compares.

I can’t believe when its all said and one wladimir will be number one above joe louis. I want vitaly to get one more stoppage win so he has highest stoppage %……although he is only under marciano by a few tenths of a % its basically currently a tie

Posted August 13, 2013 12:31 pm 


anonymous

K2 FAN I absolutely agree!!!!

Posted August 13, 2013 11:43 am 


PEEJ

Peters was so overrated. And Williams had no chin what so ever. All you needed was a jab against Peter and be able to step to the side and you were pretty much a lock to win the fight.

Posted August 13, 2013 11:34 am 


PEEJ

Gonzo like I have stated I never thought Pac was on anything. But Floyd and his camp had there doubts but yet Pac turned the test down. That was all on him. As for Wlad, they took a drug test right after the fight and there was nothing abnormal about the test. The only problem with Wlad was the fact that he was taking punches to the head. That is what happens when you punch yourself out and then get punched in the head. Sorry but Brewster was the drug Wlad was on in that fight.

Posted August 13, 2013 11:32 am 


TARK

transition… not transmission

Posted August 13, 2013 10:24 am 


TARK

@beaneater… Corrie Sanders, at the time he met Wladimir, was taller, quicker, slicker, had better feet, and was a much better attacker than Sam Peter ever was. Peter was never the most dangerous puncher in the heavyweight division. Wladimir and Steward had ZERO fear of Peter because he was a wide open, inept swinger.

The knockdowns in the Peter fight never bothered Wladimir. He was never hurt. He was off balance more than anything. Steward was still perfecting Wladimir’s stance and footwork. When you do something incorrectly for 20 years—unlearn all the bad habits, and replace them with new techniques and new form—it takes a few years. Wladimir’s skills were still in transmission.

Wladimir was in control of Peter all the way. Two (2) of the knockdowns should have been waved off. They were caused by rabbit punches. The other knockdown Wladimir was off balance and completely unhurt. Look at Wladimir’s face during the interview following the fight. He wasn’t beaten up and won the fight by a wide margin. In a 15-rounder Peter wouldn’t have finished.

Posted August 13, 2013 10:21 am 


beaneater

Peters was the most feared puncher in the world and I remember thinking this will end all dreams for Wlad. I was furious after the back of the head punches put him down but he got up each time and this fight proved steward knew what wlad needed to do. Any heavyweight can go down when 200+ pounds nail you. Can you have ko power in both hands,be highly conditioned,know how to box and not fall into the rap of trying to end each fight in first round? Yes you can. Combined with great intelligence these things have made the ultimate champion whi is not revered just because he isn’t American. Wilder is a example of what America likes but hes fell into that trap and will be lost when he gets nailed.

Posted August 13, 2013 8:03 am 


ray gordon reid

wald vs PROVENKIN oct

Posted August 13, 2013 7:02 am 


Anonymou$

Turbo – Hamster … MD? Can you prove it? I dont believe a word you say.

Posted August 13, 2013 7:00 am 


Nаdаl

Pulеv coming for уou
Wlаdimir, аnd уou mеаt а bаrbаriаn in thе ring!

Posted August 13, 2013 6:53 am 


Adrian

People forget how scary peters ko’s looked before wlad fight , come to mind Jeremy Williams one , and there was a big big hype about peters prior to the wlad fight I remember a lot of boxing analyst where actualy saying peters hits harder then Tyson so the fight peters vs wlad 1 for me is one of the most nail biting fights I have ever seen and I swear I was saying to myself that night if wlad wins this he will make to greatness because I knew wlad was extreamly talented and just needed that big come back win …so yes I completly agree for wlad peters fight was the most important in his entire carriere…

Posted August 13, 2013 6:00 am 


Turbo-Hamster

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Just keep that ta rking tight and I`ve got your back o ld man.

Get lo ose and you are game for go nzos, vult ures and ham sters, and you sir do not have the men tal defens ive capabilit ies to co pe with o ne roun d of that.

Posted August 13, 2013 5:54 am 


Turbo-Hamster

delete the spaces….Thomas HAuser is one of two boxing journalists I have any time for.

No Dan Rafaek is not the other – he is a fat b1th.

Posted August 13, 2013 5:36 am 


Turbo-Hamster

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Posted August 13, 2013 5:35 am 


TARK

The way I look at it, Peter landed some desperate swings but didn’t mean to hit Wladimir behind the head… But since, in 2 of the 3 knockdowns, they DID land behind the head you wave off 2 of the knockdowns… Just like Dereck Chisora accidentally hit Malik Scott behind the head when he decked him for a 9 count… The knockdown should have been waved off because it was an illegal blow… That’s the rule… Often referees don’t know what the rule is and make horrendous rulings. The commission should always overturn ignorant rulings but they seldom do.

Terry Norris lost 2 fights by DQ, because he accidentally hit Luis Santana behind the head the first time… He lost the 2nd fight by DQ because he accidentally hit Santana after the bell.. Santana had the presence of mind to feign being knocked out both times.. Norris wanted him again and finally won.

Just like Roy Jones accidentally hit Montel Griffith when he had a knee on the canvas.. Griffith feigned being KO’d and it worked beautifully.. I’ve never seen anyone angrier than Jones in their rematch … Roy was fit to be locked in a cage — because in the 1st fight he had Griffith on the way out when he took the knee and Roy accidentally hit him.

Posted August 13, 2013 12:57 am 


Pratt

I vigorously agree with you Tark. Something in the vaseline that would absorb into the system. DK Vaseline.

Posted August 13, 2013 12:37 am 


Ghost Rider

Tark’s informed? Intelligent? A Historian?

Nah, more like deformed, unintelligible and prone to bouts of histrionics.

Posted August 13, 2013 12:32 am 


Alonzo

Now the Davryll Williamson fight he looked drugged in–very awkward and lethargic and he shoulda lost. I’m glad he didn’t, though, had he lost that fight it woulda been as devastating for boxing on the same level as if Clay had lost to Cooper.

Posted August 12, 2013 11:48 pm 


Alonzo

Guess I shoulda read further down the comments–very interesting. The only critic I remember bout the Brewster fight was some writer saying Klit has the body of a Hummer with the gas tank of a Yugo.

Posted August 12, 2013 11:42 pm 


Alonzo

I’ll have to watch that fight, Tark. You strike me as one of the most informed and intelligent historians on this site, but I don’t think of drugging occurring in this day and age.

Can’t believe that the day finally came where he bypassed my favorite champ, Holmes. I do wish Wlad had made more defenses at this point. He’s truly one of my favorites and I always compared him to a Larry Holmes.

Posted August 12, 2013 11:38 pm 


BEARS

You can’t talk about wlad vs peter 1 and not mentin the most poignant fact. That is the rabit punches. Emanuel steward spoke about multiple times when people used this fght for reference when questioning wlads jaw.

Emanuel taks about it more in the klitschko documentary. Not only did wlad TAKE THOSE BRUTA PETER PUNCHES. He took them to the back of thehead. His equilibrium by all rights should’ve been destroyed.

But not the great wladimir klitschKO! He could not be stopped. He coul not be reasoned with. Destiny was wlads! Not brutal power rabit punches (illegal as hell) could stop wlad. He went into a mode we see in vitaly all he time TERMINATOR MODE!

HAIL TO THE KINGS! THE NEW KINGS! THE KLITSCHKOS!

Posted August 12, 2013 11:26 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

It’s foil helmet time again…

Posted August 12, 2013 10:31 pm 


TARK

Wladimir was definitely drugged in Brewster I… He was miles ahead early in the fight but wilted like drunken sailor before he took a hard hit.. Wladimir was out of it for hours..

The late Brewster money that roared into Vegas told the story… People knew that the fight was rigged because there was a massive shift in the odds… It was so unusual that Jim Lampley even commented on the dramatic fluctuation in the odds, which had never been seen before in such a short span of time.

The investigation failed to follow the money. Who benefited from those Brewster bets? … What affiliation did the bettors have with Joe Souza, who was suspected of applying Vaseline to Wladimir that had been treated with an agent.

Posted August 12, 2013 10:10 pm 


CJ

This article about Wlad shows you how good Vitali was/is but not what he was for sure. Never even been knocked down. Even when Lennox carved a chunk of ribeye out of his eye socket and hit him dead on with 2 uppercuts that would lay out a mule he still kept coming and winning on the scorecards.

Posted August 12, 2013 9:59 pm 


HHLondon

Over confidence and he blew his beans too early. Simple as that.

Posted August 12, 2013 8:58 pm 


Exiled Yank

I was thinking about this fight today. This is definitely the defining fight of his career. Maybe others were more important, but Wladdy proved to the world and, more importantly, himself, that he could survive against a power puncher. It gave him the confidence he so desperately needed at that point in his career.

Posted August 12, 2013 8:50 pm 


The Truth

Troublesome punches, those pesky punches.

Posted August 12, 2013 8:20 pm 


The Truth

Wladimir Klitchsko was troubled by the events of April 2004, he got chinned, that will do that.

Posted August 12, 2013 8:18 pm 


Gonzo the Benevolent

Edit> you’re welcome

Posted August 12, 2013 8:11 pm 


Gonzo the Benevolent

Your welcome.

Posted August 12, 2013 8:10 pm 


BIG FOOT

2nd try: Take Two: Thanks for all of that Gonzo.

Posted August 12, 2013 8:05 pm 


Unbiased Dane

Very good article, im almost shocked that this kind of well writen article finds its way on ESB. :-)
Wlad definitely looked gassed or even drugged when he lost to Brewster. Brewster was a living punchbag and did nothing but connecting some powerfull shots when Wlad was close to fainting. Enyway we will never now if Wlad was drugged so there is no point speculating more on that.

Posted August 12, 2013 7:54 pm 


Junio

Either way, Wlad’s career has been a great lesson in how someone can fight through adversity and bounce back and show his independence most of all.

I liked the documentary.

Posted August 12, 2013 7:49 pm 


Junio

As far as the Drugged scenario, what evidence is there?

Maybe someone administered it somehow into his body or maybe he himself was using something he should not have used and he had a bad reaction like some other athletes have had. WE DON”T KNOW.

Plus, maybe Brewster was drugged in the rematch. He didn’t look the same. Sure, he had his own health issues going on but he didn’t look the same. Drugged? Possible.

Posted August 12, 2013 7:28 pm 


Junio

K2 Fan

There was a big Left-hook from Brewster that shook Wlad. Sometimes, when you are hurt like that, it shocks the system. Heart beats faster which causes you to lose stamina quicker. Your adrenaline can flood your system and wear you out in a matter of minutes. Some hyperventilate: oxygen cuts off, chest tightens up. lips turn purple…it sucks.

Some body shots got in there as well. Wlad adapted to this by placing his own arm around his mid-section in the rematch.

Wlad was moving way to much in the first fight as well. Rematch, he controlled the center of the ring to conserve energy and control the fight.

Brewster gives his own opinion on the matter which was quite good. He shows the vulnerabilities of Wlad.

I think he said Vitali is who he really wanted to fight and that Vitali would have been the tougher of the two to fight.

Posted August 12, 2013 7:26 pm 


Greylo

Well written and articulate. I like the Klitschko brothers. I don’t know why but the American scene in the heavyweight division is just not what it used to be. It’s going to be hard for the bros to retire while still winning.

Peter was exciting coming up when people didn’t quite know what level he’d end up being at. Same thing with Deontay Wilder. I can see why people see him having a shot at Wlad. He’s got great one punch KO power, plus being American. People want another exciting hard hitting Tyson to make the scene. Wlad may have chin issues but he’s an effective boxer with his own troubling power. I imagine that the Wilder fans give him a chance that if one punch connects it would certainly KO Wlad. But Wladimir seems to have quite a skill difference and lots of top level experience to go by. He’s not getting any younger too.

Posted August 12, 2013 7:08 pm 


Madball

Nice article, enjoyed the read. Thanks for posting.

Posted August 12, 2013 6:55 pm 


kosciuszko

Agree with this article, Wlad surviving this fight made him.
Whenever the question of who of the two is the better, i always look to this fight, as both
brothers fought Peter, only Vitali absolutely smashed the Nigerian Nightmare apart.
It was reminiscent of Calzaghe’s demolition of Lacy; they were never the same after.
Great champions though, and I for one hope Wlad sticks around for a good few years yet,
as he looks better in each passing fight,

Posted August 12, 2013 5:56 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

By the way PEEJ, Manny has taken drug test after drug test and they all came back clean. Funny how that wasn’t good enough for that lil’ streak of bisexual piss idol of yours or YOU. lol

Funny how you change your tune about that other cheating idol of yours Roy Jones, who ACTUALLY DID fail a drug test. I bet that was the only time he cheated eh? lol

Posted August 12, 2013 5:52 pm 


Boxtradamus

I was at that fight live. That was truly the benchmark fight in Wlads career as being inside this arena you had a sense of impending doom that it was all going to be over quick and we were going to see a waste of a great talent. But he hung on fought back like a champion and even rocked Sam badly in the twelfth round. What a great flight card that was. That was also when Cotto fought Ricardo Torres and that was a great fight as well. Wlad is def an ATG And I think breaks even or holds his own very well against the 70z golden age heavyweights.

Posted August 12, 2013 5:50 pm 


K2 Fan

I agree mostly with the article except where the writer says Wlad was in trouble in Brewster l . Sorry , but what I saw was ; Wlad hammering Brewster for the entire first four rounds and then the wheels came of . This was NOT a
simple case of Wlad gassing out . I don’t know what it was , but I’m sure in
time more light will be shed on this very peculiar ending to a fight which
was headed toward a routine win !

Posted August 12, 2013 5:49 pm 


Informer

I would agree with Tark. Bringing in ES to make Wlad fight like a big man was the biggest difference in his career. But as far as getting through a round to change his career I would agree with the article. This is the fight where I would say Wlad arrived.

Posted August 12, 2013 5:02 pm 


PEEJ

That is what happens whenyou gas out and get punched in the head. He had taken drug test afer and they found nothing. Brewster was the cause of all that.

Posted August 12, 2013 4:53 pm 


de Lima I.

Gonzo — you’ve got a point there.

Posted August 12, 2013 4:50 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

LOL, I knew it was King all along…

Posted August 12, 2013 4:32 pm 


dwc

W.K. is a great example of what hard work and being dedicated can do.k-bros. are always in shape and take the sport as a life or death situation no short cuts…so like them or not respect is well deservied.

Posted August 12, 2013 4:28 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I’m not the conspiracy theorist type but Wlad clearly did looked drugged or seriously ill in the Brewster fight. One of my bests mates at school (Mad Micky) was a proper little druggie and one of the biggest street level dealers in London and I saw loads of junky types banging about outside his gaff over the years. Wlad’s eyes had that exact same sickly other worldly distant glaze to them that I’ve only ever seen in the eyes of people who were high as a kite on drugs or very sick and ill.

Posted August 12, 2013 4:24 pm 


Don King

I drugged Wlad in Brewster 1.

Posted August 12, 2013 3:55 pm 


Shane

I think Wlad fights about 3 times a year. Title defenses are just right.

Posted August 12, 2013 3:50 pm 


Stefano

Nice article. Sometimes you forget Wladimir wasn’t always the flawless killing machine he is today.

Posted August 12, 2013 3:46 pm 


matthews

Yeah but this fight was for his career.

Posted August 12, 2013 3:19 pm 


TARK

It wasn’t too exciting — because it was one-sided… Wladimir won easily and the knockdowns weren’t consequential… They weren’t hard or damaging knockdowns.

The Sanders fight was the most exciting because it was a massive upset, 4 knockdowns were recorded in 2 rounds, and Wladimir was obviously in a desperate situation where it seemed like he was about to lose his tite.

Posted August 12, 2013 2:43 pm 


Mark Clow

It was also his most exciting fight.

Posted August 12, 2013 2:36 pm 


Anonymous

Wladimir never had demons… He had technical problems that were being solved. Walcott had 15 losses before he won the title. Braddock had a lot more.

It’s really not the losses that count, but the losses tell you where you’re at. You can either get better, or you’re not going to be champ.

Posted August 12, 2013 2:28 pm 


matthews

That was a fight no one backed him on except Manny. Including his brother. Peter was HBO’s boy and WLad was old news. Those rabbit punches from peter is what sent him down and he could of easily stayed down and been like Vitali was right the fight business ain’t for me. Wlad didn’t stay down he weathered the storm and almost sent Peter’s head into the stands in the 12th round. The demons were defeated that night.

Posted August 12, 2013 2:16 pm 


de Lima I.

Wasn’t it Larry Merchant who said that WK must have a death wish or am I wrong? 2005 vs SP

Posted August 12, 2013 2:01 pm 


pragmatic

When you say time it feels like your grasping at straws to gain credibility. How many derenses? At the rate Wlad is going it could be another 5 years before he matches larry in the numbers that really matter…title defenses.

Good try though.

Posted August 12, 2013 1:56 pm 


TARK

The most important round of Wladimir Klitschko’s career in the 2nd round vs Corrie Sanders… The round put into perspective just how far he needed to go 43 fights into his career… A million miles so to speak.

Sometimes you need your situation starkly outlined like that.. That fight was the catalyst that brought in Emmanuel Steward.. By the Peter fight Wladimir was cruising and knew exactly what he had to do when he got hit.

He was a long way out of the hole and hardly had a mark on him after the fight. The knockdowns did not hurt him or put him down in the scoring for that particular fight. The Williamson decking was a “flash” knockdown. It didn’t matter. The gash was from a headbutt.

He was turning it around at that time and it doesn’t happen overnight.

Posted August 12, 2013 1:43 pm 


ray gordon reid

THAT WAS A TOUGH ROUND FOR WLAD

Posted August 12, 2013 1:38 pm 



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