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WTF?

All this talk about Chavez Jr. having a great chin is laughable.. who the Hell has he fought that tested his chin? What great KO artist did he fight at was his actual size??? When he does that and takes some devastating shots and gets past those shots with no issues then we can talk about Chavez Jr. having a great Chin.. but until then it’s a claim as silly as claiming Chavez Jr. is any kind of great Boxer… It’s all part of the illusion… aka Con Job…

Posted September 14, 2012 1:11 pm 


john

chavez sr. fought mostly bums his whole career. his record was padded with wins over mostly bums. he was a hype job.

chavez jr. has fought mostly bums his whole career. his record is padded with wins over mostly bums. he is a hype job.

on top of that chavez jr. is definitely on banned substances. no other way you can drop that much weight that quickly then rehydrate that quickly and have it not impact your performance in a negative way.

Posted September 14, 2012 6:54 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Well to say it like this, Julio Cesar Chaves is regarded by fans and experts as one of the top greatest boxers pound for pound of all times and he fought highly impressive 115 profesional fights (107-6-2 KO’s 86) and that is soming NO recognised world champion have achived sence the “old days” of boxing history. Chavez fought in a very competive era and was a truly warrior in the ring and never ducked any challange in his class. He became a 4-time world champion and was loved by almost all and was a national hero so how can the son of Julio Cesar Chavez compete with that? He can’t and Im sorry to say that but Julio Cesar Chavez Jr is only recognised by major boxing fans for his name and even I would never have noticed him until later year if it haden’t been for that I know he is his son and I mean when the son started his profesional career he got a nice free ride just becouse of that fact and even a short comeback for the old warrior made it even more interesting to see father and son both fighting at same time. No Im sorru but Julio Cesar Chavez Jr will never get away from his fathers deep footsteps in boxing.

Posted September 14, 2012 6:40 am 


hutch

ahhhh NO.

Posted September 14, 2012 6:30 am 


KOrnerman

Yes some valid points there dudes but now he is at a level where he can compete with top fighters he is a dangerous opponent for Martinez,I hope not but I can smell the upset coming.

Posted September 14, 2012 2:36 am 


philly shell

I don’t like this new ESB format… Part of my comment is gone, and there’s now a reply “So boxing fans should remain silent…” that I guess is from the author of the article but there is no name listed???? Can authors now EDIT readers’ posts???? But to reply, I have no idea what you mean by “cover”… He’s either breaking the rules or he’s not. Should we not have allowed Paul Williams to fight as a welterweight because he’s too tall? If Chavez makes weight, he has every right to reydrate to whatever he wants. If you disagree take it up with the Nevada State Athletic Commission and the WBC, not Chavez. Personally, I think they should weigh in the day of the fight.

Posted September 13, 2012 9:05 pm 


I_AM_ZT

Answer — NO

Posted September 13, 2012 7:46 pm 


Kid Blast

He hit the depths when he fought Vanda and was booed by MEXICAN FANS. He wanted to call it a career, but he came back and then emerged as a real force. That says something about his character to me.

Posted September 13, 2012 6:50 pm 


Kid Blast

JFK?

Posted September 13, 2012 6:46 pm 


Kid Blast

Romney?

Posted September 13, 2012 6:46 pm 


StudentOfTheGame

No he wouldn’t,he shouldn’t even have the belt it was given to him.Fake champ,latinos don’t support this paper champ or canelo.Brainwashed idiots.

Posted September 13, 2012 6:46 pm 


Kid Blast

Bush?

Posted September 13, 2012 6:45 pm 


Kid Blast

:twisted:

Posted September 13, 2012 6:43 pm 


Kid Blast

Agreed on the first two

Posted September 13, 2012 6:42 pm 


Joe

Many here are going to be shocked when chavez jr. wins. Jr. is a -160 in the betting odds. The odds don’t lie, he has a REAL chance to win this fight. Sure Martinez is certainly a more naturally gifted fighter, but Jr. is younger, stronger,better chin and a superior mental toughness that you will all witness Sat. night.

Posted September 13, 2012 5:58 pm 


philly shell

Of course he would not be as popular if he wasn’t the son of a legend, and more importantly he would not be making as much $$ without the name. BUT, that’s not a not on Jr – he had no choice on his name. He’s also had advantages coming from a boxing family, just like Floyd Mayweather Jr., but again that’s not a knock on Jr. When he gets into the ring it’s just him, not his father fighting, and what he’s accomplished is to his own credit. IF he wins Saturday, he’ll be a legitimate world champion. Also, why insult his weight? If you don’t like how the rules allow for a fighter to rehydrate to a higher weight, complain about the rules, not about a fighter who follows those rules.

***

So boxing fans should remain silent about Chavez Jr. rehydrating up to 180? Why? To give him cover?

Posted September 13, 2012 4:32 pm 


WTF?

What’s the Vegas odds on this Massacre???

Posted September 13, 2012 3:20 pm 


B Red

Top 3 greatest mexican fighters of all time in no particuler order. Salvador Sanchez, JCC, JMM

Posted September 13, 2012 3:08 pm 


WTF?

If you remove the questionable wins on Chicken Jr’s record he’d be like 16 – 0 and if you only take into account the fights in the US vs legit opponents it’s like 5 – 0 and if you include the fights they actually lost like Chavez Jr. in Mexico against a journeyman he’d have a loss or two.. it was all over the news that Chavez Jr. got a bogus win in Mexico and him and his dad were pelted with Beer cans by the Boooing Mexican Crowd.. all easily found via Google…

Posted September 13, 2012 3:05 pm 


WTF?

KOrnerman – all of those Bogus Records from those Mexican Fighters like Chicken Jr. and Canelo are all Bogus.. two thirds of those fights were in Mexican Cantinas against Bums with 1 or 2 fights to their records.. some had ZERO wins and they started padding those records when they were like 12 or 13 years old like in Canelos case.. it’s all Bullcrap.. don’t believe me? go to BOXREC and take a look at Canelos record it starts when he was 12 years old!!! and he was fighting like twice a month!! against guys who had 1 or 2 or NO prior fights.. most if not all cannot even be verified… it’s part of the Con game being played on us by these Criminals… all of these Mexican fighters with very high number or wins on their Records are total non-sense.. take away the fights on Chicken Jr’s and Canelos record prior to them becoming adults at 18 and they’d have like 18 pro fights.. and out of those like 6 or less were in the USA.. its all a con game….

Posted September 13, 2012 3:01 pm 


KOrnerman

if anything he does not get any credit because of who his dad is, any pro fighter at 46-0 has to be given credit,look at Calzaghe he onlyfought top fighters his last couple of fights and he gets called a legend so there definitely some double standards going on here, maybe if he whups Sergio he will get the credit he deserves.

Posted September 13, 2012 2:53 pm 


Boxing Fanatic

hell no. hes got help from a lot of people and some other things as well that arent people :wink:

Posted September 13, 2012 1:11 pm 


Anonymous

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please don’t ask stupid questions like that! Chavez jr. would have never been known. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!! He has no ability other than plod straight forward, square up and try hooks to both sides of the body, and that’s it! No speed, No jab, No boxing, No counter punching, no movement. He’s a mess!!!!!!

Posted September 13, 2012 1:09 pm 


Realtalk

He sucks!

Posted September 13, 2012 12:52 pm 


Turd Spotter

“Palacios”? Never heard of him? He must not have a famous father.

Posted September 13, 2012 12:20 pm 


sweet_scientist

Roach LET him ‘slack off’, Martinez WON’T!!

Posted September 13, 2012 12:05 pm 


sweet_scientist

Chavez Jr is IN OVER his HEAD against Martinez. This WILL be apparent early in the fight! His FATHER will be the ONE to THROW in the TOWEL as Martinez gives Chavez Jr the BEATING of his LIFE!

Posted September 13, 2012 12:04 pm 


WTF?

Put in this tomato can against true top 180lb Cruiser weights like Palacios and ZBblik the Polish guy Palacios fought and lets see how he does..

Posted September 13, 2012 11:29 am 


WTF?

The only good thing about this is that we have now seen the true Chavez Jr and Sr.. per their own words.. Chavez Sr. was an Alcoholic Drug abuser and Not my words but theirs…no better then crazy drug abusing Johny Tapia.. Junior is the typical spoiled little brat of a famous person that believes he deserves to be famous because his Daddy was??? LOL..

Posted September 13, 2012 11:28 am 


WTF?

Ahhh NO!.. as my little daugher would say.. LOL.. famous? what on earth has this guy done in the Ring to even consider him a B level fighter??? Wear down guys 20lbs lighter then him?? LOL…

Posted September 13, 2012 11:25 am 


te tumbo

speaking of elevated expectations, on another thread, a poster attempted to highlight the 26-year-old Chavez’s “protected” status and lack of progress by comparing him to Pipino Cuevas’ and Mike Tyson(?!). he apparently neglected to consider that Cuevas turned pro at 13/14 and a 17-year-old Tyson was competing for a spot on the 84 Olympic team under the guidance of Cus D’amato. meanwhile, Jr. turned pro at 17 with no amateur experience. besides, a contender will always suffer in comparison to official ATGs.

Posted September 13, 2012 11:21 am 


te tumbo

Jr. would be more protected, popular, and pumped-up if he wasn’t the “son of a legend”. his size alone makes him a novelty. not unlike Williams whose extraordinary height combined with his workmanlike skills to make him “most avoided”. otherwise, anyone who knows boxing only had to see Williams fight a couple of times to conclude “this boy is undeveloped and/or limited. either way, he’s a devastating KO waiting to happen”. IMO, the primary advantage that being the “son of a legend” has been for Jr. is the elevated expectations from EVERYone around him. it’s made him tougher, wiser, and more determined. his capacity for growth in all of these areas is what’s legtimized Jr. in my book not his bloodline, which is a total crap-shoot. if anything, Jr. resembles his mother a lot more than his father

Posted September 13, 2012 11:08 am 


TARK

It’s a massive advantage to have a famous and accomplished father — or mother — although most people who have them don’t see it that way because of the greater pressure and expectations placed on them.

Posted September 13, 2012 10:46 am 


SergioDaLoser

To criticize Chavez Jr for being the son of a legend is unfair. Anybody whose father is rich should also be criticized. Will he make you happy if he was just a punk kid addicted to drugs? I believe he earned all this fame, even if it was handed to him because of his father name. Anyway, Julio will beat the crap of the trash talking Segio next Saturday.

Posted September 13, 2012 10:45 am 


TARK

More than likely Chavez wouldn’t be a boxer if his father wasn’t Julio Cesar Chavez. More than likely he wouldn’t enjoy fame… He might be popular among his friends and relatives, and that’s about it.

Posted September 13, 2012 10:42 am 


Braththow

Sure being the son of a mexican great fighter Chavez sr helps. Jr is getting betting and better.

Posted September 13, 2012 10:32 am 


read all about it

i have gut feeling that JR will be winner

Posted September 13, 2012 10:11 am 


Gannicus

Alvarez isn’t Chavez son and he’s very popular, but here’s my question who the hell has Alvarez fought-what Baldimere, old Mosely, old Cintron, B level Gomez and B level Hatton? That’s not a knock on Alvarez because I think their moving him along nicely and he was willing to fight Kirkland but what I’m sayn is he made a name for himself and I view Chavez as having a slightly better resume with Molina 2x’s, Duddy, Manfredo, Zbik, Rubio, Lee and now he’s fighting Martinez the top guy @ MW. Chavez, if he followed the same path would still have a name for himself. Some people don’t care but look how this fight is selling-it’s out done the Lewis vs Holifield fight at the Thomas and Mack center when both Lewis and Holifield been around at the top level for a long time at that point. Chavez is just getting there-he’s not really there yet and still has alot to learn. What if he beats Martinez-all he needs is this win-no doubts-a fair level win-to stop or flat out beat Martinez over 12 rds sends Chavez waay up there. All he has to do is keep winning and if he can’t past his old man he’ll @least be the man in his own right

Posted September 13, 2012 10:01 am 


malas

Julio Cesar CHavez Senior is one of the greatest pound for pound in the history of boxing

Posted September 13, 2012 9:04 am 


Roys corner

Chavez Sr makes breakfasty for Jr every morning. Sr loves his son so much. He is always there at every fight. Sr makes sure Jr is well conditioned like he was when Sr was fighting years ago The Chavez name is legendary and desreves much respect.

Posted September 13, 2012 9:03 am 


Jake Lead Rights

i just hope the kid doesn’t develope a complex or have drug/alcohol problems because of his fathers shadow. The kid can never over shadow the dad but theres nothing like the affection of a father to a son or daughter that can help them feel invinsible. The question was would Jr. be popular if he didn’t have a famous father? Probably not he did get some breaks like early career PPV fights who ever heard of that? But i’m not hating there’s nothing wrong with that. I will say that so far of most famous boxers sons Chavez Jr. has done more or one could say his career has been handled better. But even with my last statement the kid still had to climb in the ring by himself the dad didn’t fight for him.

Posted September 13, 2012 8:46 am 


swamp gas

doesn’t matter what you think or what lessons you draw from history, the issue will be decided in the ring this saturday and in follow up fights when and if chavez has the cajones to fight bigger men. a famous man’s shadow can help or hinder their offspring. saturday jr. will face his fate. inneresting fight for all of the reasons given.

Posted September 13, 2012 7:16 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Well to say it like this, Julio Cesar Chaves is regarded by fans and experts as one of the top greatest boxers pound for pound of all times and he fought highly impressive 115 profesional fights (107-6-2 KO’s 86) and that is soming NO recognised world champion have achived sence the “old days” of boxing history. Chavez fought in a very competive era and was a truly warrior in the ring and never ducked any challange in his class. He became a 4-time world champion and was loved by almost all and was a national hero so how can the son of Julio Cesar Chavez compete with that? He can’t and Im sorry to say that but Julio Cesar Chavez Jr is only recognised by major boxing fans for his name and even I would never have noticed him until later year if it haden’t been for that I know he is his son and I mean when the son started his profesional career he got a nice free ride just becouse of that fact and even a short comeback for the old warrior made it even more interesting to see father and son both fighting at same time. No Im sorru but Julio Cesar Chavez Jr will never get away from his fathers deep footsteps in boxing.

Posted September 13, 2012 6:38 am 


KOrnerman

Sergio going down hard.

Posted September 13, 2012 6:37 am 


the commentator

his last name, not his ability, is his ticket to fame…. :neutral:

Posted September 13, 2012 5:14 am 



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