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pokerpro

Kovalev ain’t gonna fight GGG,they are friends.Kovalev vs Stewenson would be a war!

Posted January 30, 2014 4:11 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Yup. Thats what he SPANKED Froch and Kessler with.

Posted August 22, 2013 12:11 am 


TARK

Ernie… FO creep

Posted August 21, 2013 12:48 am 


TARK

No Tony…, He wasn’t that good.

He didn’t beat Kessler as comprehensively as a novice Ward (only 20 pro fights at the time) did… As you know Kessler was a huge favorite but Ward easily fooled all the experts by beating the trash out of Kessler and stopping him.

Kessler is a slow languid robot, but still managed to nail Calzaghe with frightful uppercuts… Ward or Kovalev would just beat the living trash out of Calzaghe… Ward would beat him by wide UD… Kovalev would stop him… Kovalev will beat Ward—when and if Ward has the guts to face him.

Posted August 20, 2013 11:20 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Okay I see, none…

Posted August 19, 2013 9:59 pm 


TARK

Actually straight left counter in JC’s case.

Posted August 19, 2013 5:31 pm 


TARK

Calzaghe may have been better than Cleverly but had many of the same issues with his stance… Also, Paul Williams had a bad stance and couldn’t use his reach and range well… PW was a brawler too.

JC’s left foot pointed out left at a 90 degree angle from a nose to nose line with his opponent.. He couldn’t crack with the straight right counter or jab with masterful precision like Kovalev does for instance.

He made of for it in for the most part by getting close and throwing blizzard like hooks and uppercuts with both hands… In my view that would have cost him against a more technically perfect stance like Kovalev’s. Calzaghe was lightning fast and made up for the fact that he didn’t have the most superb chief trainer … who never boxed himself.

Posted August 19, 2013 5:30 pm 


TARK

Bears… You’re right Vitali has a great stance…

It’s his legs that are a huge problem… He injured them repeatedly in a 36-bout professional Kick Boxing career… He retired for four (4) years to rehabilitate them and came back at 37… His stance got even better in his last 10 fights with tips from his brother and Steward.

His legs will never be normal but he is so gifted it doesn’t matter … His defense is the best ever in the heavyweight class.

Posted August 19, 2013 5:18 pm 


BEARS(a christmas delight)

Joe Cal’s stance worked very well for him. even bernard could hardly hit him as he blew the compubox out of the water when he fought bernard. Every human body is different as a boxer you have to find out your niche or what works well for you. One of the most awkward stances and styles ever seen has been that of vitaly klitschKO. In terms of efficiency his style is amazing looking at his plus minus ratio and all that he has accomplished. and also practically having the best ko % in heavy history. I’m surprised more taller guys have not tried to emulate his style because its an awesome one and really something he just fashioned. something that he was not taught. it came natural. vitaly is not someone who was groomed or taught that by anyone. and wladimir is the exact opposite. wladimir molded and shaped and worked and studied under steward to turn himself into what he is and that stance he uses. I just dont think there is an exact science or technique to this. I think its different for each individual. and a coach can maybe help to see what works best or is more effective. but this excessive critique of stances im i dont understand some posters going off on this all the time. I dont buy into this stance deficiency being as prevalent as some claim. It’s just not a metric we can really measurably or verify ably critique. As if someone shored up their stance deficiencies all the sudden their offense and defense improves multi-fold? All the sudden there is some huge improvement in their game because their stance was jacked up and so much depends on some pre-conceived notion of what a stance should be? malarky. i just dont buy that. I just dont think there is much merit to the stance discussion. Everyones an idividual that must hone out their own unique stance. through the process of fighting and training and studying and trial and error. i think we see this in boxing to be self evident. and the klitschko brothers are one of the best examples i can think of.

Posted August 19, 2013 3:23 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

*critique

Posted August 19, 2013 3:02 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

How many world champs have you trained Tard? Just wondering since you critic the top fighters in the world and in recent history.

Traditional stances that you read about in the Police Gazette 50 years ago have evolved throughout the years along with fitness, nutrition, health of the fighters etc.

Please try to keep up…

Posted August 19, 2013 3:02 pm 


TARK

Hamster…., “Don’t just say that EVERY boxer in the world aside form Mayweather has a terrible stance.”

I DON’T say that… I did make strong critiques of Cleverly’s stance for the last few years. I never criticized Kovalev’s stance because he has an excellent one. So does Mayweather, Ward, Rigondeaux, Donaire, Golovkin, Vitali, Wladimir, Haye, and dozens of other fighters. They just had trainers with 20 to 50 years experience who taught them the correct stance, because another great trainer taught them many decades ago.

Calzaghe’s dad was his trainer, a man who never boxed. If you watched the way JC’s hands were wrapped on 24/7 it was atrocious. Some fighters have the speed and athletic ability to overcome poor technical trainers. Cleverly and Calzaghe just happened to have the athleticism and speed to become World Champs in spite of their technical failings—not because of them.

When Wilfred Benitez was undefeated in 40 fights I criticized his stance because he fought off his front foot and tried to slip everything. I predicted Leonard would knock him out because Leonard had a great jab, a great straight right, and pretty fair feints. That’s how you beat the fastest rhythm fighter who tries to slip every punch. You mess up their radar by masterful feints followed by smooth and quick straight shots at their nose.

Kovalev’s jab and straight right are so smooth and masterful Cleverly’s never seen anything like them before. He had no chance in Hell.

Posted August 19, 2013 11:19 am 


BRUCE

HOPKINS TOTAL WANKER.

Posted August 19, 2013 10:28 am 


Gus

ANY fighter would be CRAZY to fight Hopkins. Hopkins would find a way to grab,run, jump in head first, take a knee and find some way to either get disqualified or have the opponent be disqualified if he feels he is in over his head. He is for lithe big payday and boxing can do without his tactics.

Posted August 19, 2013 8:27 am 


Turbo-Hamster

Re the smothering in the 3rd though – you are right Kovalev nails him when he tries, but that is after Cleverly is massively buzzed, he wasn`t clinching properly, it was a rugby tackle.

I don`t think you can generalise from what was happening at that point in time.

Posted August 19, 2013 5:22 am 


TARK

Herron… That kind of crap is quite different than when you were fishing for compliments and said nice things about my posts… And you just told Bear that, ” I acknowledge the fact that Tark brings a lot of insight to the comment boards”

You’re like other posters who can’t take criticism and fire back emotionally. They say you don’t know anything. You’ve never boxed. You’ve never trained champions. You’ve never done this. You’ve never done that. They suddenly know about your whole life because you pointed out where their analysis is dead wrong, That’s you in a nutshell. Somebody points out where you’re wrong, they must not know Boxing. And you make excuses rather than admit your analysis was dead wrong.

On the other hand I can disagree with Bears and other posters and it doesn’t turn a hair on their head — because they’re not an immature child like yourself.

Posted August 19, 2013 12:07 am 


TARK

Herron says…., “Your inability to analyze fighters from a technical standpoint is staggering.”

LMFAO.. Are you talking to yourself? How well did you analyze Berto’s fights with Zaneck and Guerrero BEFORE they traded blows? How well did you analyze Cleverly-Kovalev??? You know damned well you did a horrible job because your knowledge is severely lacking.

Posted August 18, 2013 11:52 pm 


Joseph Herron

The show is featured every week on ESB…it’s “The Pugilist KOrner”.

The press release is currently on the front page, and it’s conducted on the crappy medium of Blogtalkradio…but we’re trying to look for other options at this time.

Thanks, brother

Posted August 18, 2013 11:00 pm 


BEARS

What’s your shows name and what’s the method your broadcbasting. have a website? If I call itwould be a sunday

Posted August 18, 2013 10:53 pm 


Joseph Herron

Bears,

The show just ended, but the JK and I are talking about creating a show for all of the insightful fight fans on ESB in the near future, so everyone can get a chance to call in and share their own unique views about all of the upcoming fights.

But our shows on Sunday and Tuesday always begin at 9PM EST, and you can call in with 718-506-1506.

I would love to get everyone’s input on this.

Thanks!!

Posted August 18, 2013 10:40 pm 


BEARS(a christmas delight)

I just went to skysports to read what their site had to say about the fight and they refer to kovalev as “fearsome kovalev”……………hahahahahahahahahaha

people need to get their rankings squared away like espn, and ring, and skysports. skysports current light heavy rankins are absolutely FUBAR. does anyone read their rankings at light heavy and keep strait face? i doubt it

Posted August 18, 2013 10:21 pm 


BEARS(a christmas delight)

I’m sure kovalev got paid really well to go take cleverlys title in the uk.

Posted August 18, 2013 10:15 pm 


Supreme Court

Watch folks, the pack keeps howling: “Kovalev will do this, he will do that”…
But none of these blue collars can provide an excuse regarding why KOVALED gave in his mandatory option and a higher paycheque against Hopkins to fight Cleverly…

Why?

Once again, BHop is prepared to shred your hearts?
B-Hop is asking in the Video, ” I have a Belt, I have the status of legend”, why is Kovalev going to UK to fight for a lesser cheque?
You answer, herd of morons!
Kovalev is slow and wide open, even Stevie Wonder saw that…..

(BHop, comme a l’accoutummee, dechiquera vos coeurs a nouveau).

Posted August 18, 2013 9:35 pm

Posted August 18, 2013 9:39 pm 


BEARS(un f n fadeable son!!)

i have to admit. calling kovalev to win by stoppage in the first third of the fight was not some extordinairy skill in forecasting. It was just what kovalev does. Especially to guys like cleverly. Now the plan going into the bout from the kovalev camp had to be what it always is. Has to be kind of like mayweather.

Kovalev doesnt have to be as concerned about cleverly. The only think the kovalev camp has to do is look for openings in cleverlys style. seriously, kovalev was gonna blitz krieg cleverly like he blitzkriegs everyone and they fold. and everyone folds in the first third of the fight and cleverly i knew was just not good enough to even pro long that. How many blitz krieg terminator esque performances now is that from kovalev? like everyone of his fights damn near!!

Kovalev just comes in and imposes his will and nothing was any different. there was very little concern from a technical stand point from his camp and there really has had to be one.

Posted August 18, 2013 9:16 pm 


BEARS(un f n fadeable son!!)

there is only one guy at light heavy right now who must meet serj kovalev and thats adonis. I would have to see that fight. i will call that a super fight!!! a light heavy super fight and when was the last time we had one of those? Make it happen serg kovalev vs adonis stevenson december or january!!!!!!

Posted August 18, 2013 9:10 pm 


BEARS(un f n fadeable son!!)

turbo- lol, funny post dude. good stuff. funny metaphors too. kinda remind me of my pal gonzo

Posted August 18, 2013 9:07 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

As SOON as I watched tape on Kovalev and Cleverly I didn’t HOPE. I KNEW that Kovalev would WIN by Welshman WILTING stoppage and put it here for everyone to read. Anyone who actually studied both Fighters and still picked Cleverly needs to go take a SIGHT class.

Posted August 18, 2013 9:02 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

And to play mediator, which is very much not the role a Turbo-Hamster would usually engage in…..

“Whipped” and “zipped”, while being hyperbole, and the kind of terms that might place better belong in a 1930’s story about two young boys and their robot dog having a wizard adventure through space, do not necessarily negate the rest of an argument someone might make. Although I am fond of attacking TARK, just unprovoked throat ripping, the main reason I do this is because a LOT of what he says is true, which makes the untrue bits stink more. A turd in a field of turds is nothing, but a turd on a nice carpet is disasterous. I think TARK is a nice carpet.

Maybe a kind of russian-blue carpet.

Re providing analysis for entertainment though – if you are making a pick, probably best to just get it right, but if you are writing for an audience who clearly hope one guy wins, then it is a valid writing trick to basically just list of the scale of the challenge facing them, what they will need to do to meet it, and then say that you believe in them.

I`d happily talk Cleverly up before the Kov fight, have some beers, jeer Kovalev and hope Cleverly can pull it off.

I`d never bet on him though.
I like money.

Posted August 18, 2013 8:55 pm 


BEARS(un f n fadeable son!!)

herron-what boxing show are you running where people can call in? the pugilist corner with cris byrd?

Posted August 18, 2013 8:54 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

And if people want to brag on their predictions and analysis, then posting a link to a photo of their $5,000 betting slip before the fight would pretty much win the argument.

You can say anything online, for a variety of purposes, but you bet that amount of money with your head.

Posted August 18, 2013 8:16 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

The thing about Cleverly when he comes in close, is that it is usually only effective when he is already getting on top of his opponent.

He likes to close the distance on someone who isn`t punching back so that he can try to throw bodyshots behind the elbows, and winging uppercuts, and it only ever brings him success through volume not through craft, and up till now his chin has been good enough that he has been able to take his licks and then go back outside.

I don`t know if he does it because he feels it is effective, or if he wants to entertain fans, or maybe he simply cannot concentrate and stick to a gameplan from range but it throws away what should be his best asset.

With the right mindset, and coaching I could see Cleverly eeking out some UD’s over fringe contenders again, but his limitations are there, and he`s never far away from boxing right down to a level where he could lose to almost anyone.

Kovalev – well, I want to see more, and I hope he gets the big money fights he deserves.

Posted August 18, 2013 8:10 pm 


Joseph Herron

“being entertaining is nice, being good is better” – TARK

Well then you have much work to do from a technical perspective, brother.

Because your inability to analyze fighters from a technical standpoint is staggering. Whipped and Zipped?

lol…much to work on, my friend!! lol

Posted August 18, 2013 8:00 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

from your perspective, I guess it’s not…but the truth is not relative, little girl. The truth is absolute.

Teddy Atlas does it all of the time on ESPN FNF…but I guess Teddy’s an idiot too, eh?

Dude, you wish you knew have as much as a James Gogue. most people don’t know this but a lot of commentators on television call Gogue before their respective broadcast because he is so proficient at breaking down match-ups from a technical stand point.

you would be very surprised if I was able to give you all of the names that seek out Gogue’s expertise.

You don’t have to be threatened by Gogue or myself, TARK.

It’s alright, brother…don’t get your panties in a bunch, my friend, lol!!

Posted August 18, 2013 7:57 pm 


TARK

Herron says…., “Gogue merely chooses what he hopes will happen”

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard… I don’t choose what I hope will happen… I go by who has the greatest skills and abilities and how the styles match up.

Giving a knowledgeable analysis is more entertaining and educational than giving a slipshod analysis based on who you like — and what you hope will happen.

That’s no objective… That’s not knowledgeable… That’s not entertaining… That’s just stupid… Being objective takes work… It also takes work to know who to match your boxer with… It takes work to judge his strengths and weaknesses so you know what he has to work on.. Being entertaining is nice.. Being good is better.

Posted August 18, 2013 7:51 pm 


Supreme Court

On the background of the video, one could see Bernstein….
so don’t say it was recorded in a basement….

Posted August 18, 2013 7:51 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

that’s where you’re coming to the wrong conclusion. His fight strategy for Cleverly was based on Nathan’s inability to do so many things effectively…not so much to exploit Kovalev’s inadequacies because he doesn’t have many.

As far as calling the fight incorrectly, Gogue, just as I do from time to time, make these fight predictions primarily for entertainment purposes. No one really knows what the fight outcome is going to be…especially when so many questions surround both fighters.

If you listen to the show, both Gogue and I were consistently questioning why Cleverly took this fight when he didn’t have to and favored Kovalev going into the bout. Gogue merely chooses what he hopes will happen, but he does a very good job at listing both winning scenarios.

If you didn’t suffer from selective reading, you would notice that.

HBO and Ken Hershman are doing a great job in holding the promoter’s feet to the fire and demanding the great match-ups this year. I’m sure they are almost completely responsible for making this fight happen, unless Cleverly and his handlers completely overestimated the Welshman’s abilities in the ring.

Posted August 18, 2013 7:19 pm 


TARK

And Herron… I don’t take it that seriously either… But I DO take my analysis seriously… I try to get it right… Most guys just throw stuff out there and hope they’re right.

Posted August 18, 2013 7:09 pm 


TARK

Thanks Bears…. I appreciate that… Herron is real idiot.

Posted August 18, 2013 7:06 pm 


Joseph Herron

Bears,

I have a lot of respect for everyone on this site, even if I don’t agree with everything most have to say.

I’m merely having some fun with TARK because he’s so competitive. That’s all. I acknowledge the fact that he brings a lot of insight to the comment boards, that’s the primary reason why I elect to trade with him.

But, I’m just having fun with him…I really don’t care.

Some of our arguments have gotten a bit too carried away, I’ll admit, but most of the time I really don’t take it that seriously.

Peace to everyone on this site!!

Posted August 18, 2013 7:06 pm 


TARK

He’s WASN’T an idiot… I’m not trying to disrespect a great trainer.. But just because a great trainer tells you what’s going to happen in a fight, doesn’t mean he knows what the Hell he’s talking about.

A lot of times he hasn’t really thought about it and is just picking stuff out of the air.

Posted August 18, 2013 7:00 pm 


TARK

I meant…, “Emmanuel Steward sounded like an idiot with his prediction of the ease in which Jermain was going to school Pavlik.”

Posted August 18, 2013 6:58 pm 


TARK

Supreme Court…,

Roy Jones predicted Ricky Hatton would beat Mayweather because he fights “6 minutes a round.” Talk about stupid stuff, that fight was as easy to pick as this one.. DLH, Mosley, and Hopkins said Peterson would beat Matthysse and Hatton would beat Pacquiao … Those were very easy fights to analyse and pick the winner.. James Toney is saying Floyd will knock Canelo out..

Great fighters don’t always make great boxing analysts. Great trainers ditto.. Stewrad was clueless on the Taylor-Pavlik matchup.. He sounded like an idiot with his prediction of the ease in which Jermain was going to school Jermain..

Haye is pretty good. Tarver isn’t bad. Floyd is good. But not too many fighters or trainers can break down what’s going to happen in a given fight …

For starters they’re not that interested.

If Hopkins fought Kovalev he would be stopped 100%… You heard it here first.. Kovalev is too young.. too strong.. too hard punching… and just too active for Bernard…

Kovalev is not Jean Pascal.. He’s not Travoris Cloud.. He’s not Karo Murat… Those guys are not even as good as Cleverly. They’re pretty damned bad — so of course a 50-year-old Bernard can beat them.

Posted August 18, 2013 6:55 pm 


BEARS(un f n fadeable son!!)

Tark has some great views, opinions, and analysis. Always does. some people think they are good. that doesnt mean they are good at making sense of boxing. at watching tape and knowing how to analyze it. I’m certainly not sold on your generalities herron. and trying to do a paint job on tark is not smart. as if he doesnt know what he’s talking about. Tarks one of the best posters on here. top tier poster. His insight is awesome.

I like everyone trying to put forth quality insight and views and opinions on boxing. and if thats your intention than cool. but i dont think its possible to smear a poster like tark. too good son

Posted August 18, 2013 6:25 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

CurlyQ.Howard: Thank you, that’s much appreciated!

Posted August 18, 2013 6:12 pm 


TARK

BTW Herron…., You shouldn’t listen to your unknowledgeable friend Gogue … who not only called the fight DEAD WRONG, but doesn’t have any knowledge of Kovalev’s style or abilities.

Gogue said Kovalev needed to smother Cleverly inside but Cleverly was getting killed inside.. He tried to smother Kovalev on the inside unsuccessfully.

With 41 seconds to go in the 3rd Cleverly tried vainly to smother Kovalev with a clinch. Kovalev hammered Cleverly with 4 rights to the ribs as they were clinching.

With 16 seconds to go in the 3rd Cleverly desperately tried to clinch and smother Kovalev’s inside work again.. As Roy Jones noted, Kovalev ripped Cleverly to the liver with left hooks as he tried to clinch. Cleverly went down and regained his feet, as the Cleverly friendly referee separated them.

So unbeknowst to your “expert” friend Gogue, Kovalev is a great inside operator.

Posted August 18, 2013 5:33 pm 


Supreme Court

As usual ESB posters react emotionally and instantaneously.
They catch fire like gasoline…
I would advise to rewatch the fight here on Youtube:
youtube.com/watch?v=7bNm3Nl3MR0 (delete the space btw the Ws).

Kovalev is the slower of all top LHW; he plods like a prime Angulo.
I pray for God that Hopkins or Ward give him a fight….

Cleverly, like the bum-coward Ricky Bum , is one of the most overrated fighters in recent memories…

Posted August 18, 2013 4:40 pm 


Supreme Court

The next bum to be exposed will be Ricky Burn….

Posted August 18, 2013 4:24 pm 


TARK

Herron says…, “When have you ever seen Kovalev fight inside effectively? You haven’t” LMAO… YES I HAVE!!!

Kovalev fought inside versus Lionell Thompson.. Thompson tried to smother and grab Kovalev — but as he was hugging him tight Kovalev ripped him with hooks with both hands.. He’s a great infighter. In 225 amateur and 23 pro fights Kovalev didn’t neglect ANY skills.

Herron says…., “Because from mid to long range, Guerrero’s at a severe disadvantage. he’s wasn’t faster than Berto nor did he punch as hard…he had no choice but to smother his offense and work on the inside.” … That a different fight but that’s not true either.

You’re talking about a fight between 2 boxers with very limited skills: Berto and Guerrero.. Guerrero didn’t need to smother Berto, he knocked him down from the outside. He brawled, wrestled, held and hit, thumb jabbed, whatever he wanted to do. He had a friendly referee who gave him free reign. He didn’t need help … but he took it.

That fight cannot be compared to the Kovalev-Cleverly fight — where you had one of the better fighters on the planet fighting.

Kovalev is a better infighter than Cleverly and just needed to punch Cleverly as he came inside… Take my word for it… Who was right about who would win the fight??? Me or you?

Posted August 18, 2013 4:01 pm 


JOEY

NO ONE HYPES UP FIGHTERS BETTER THAN BRITS.

Posted August 18, 2013 2:46 pm 


BRUCE

HAVENT HEARD ANYONE TALK ABOUT THE REF HOLDING CLEVERLY BACK TO HIS CORNER.

Posted August 18, 2013 2:01 pm 


ray gordon reid

NEXT WELSH LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHT

Posted August 18, 2013 1:25 pm 


ray gordon reid

HOPKINS BEAT MURAT

Posted August 18, 2013 1:07 pm 


Gus

There isn’t! A win that Hopkins wanted more than to beat Calzhge. He tried his best and used every trick in the book which he is very good at and yet it was not good enought to beat Calzahge. How good was Calzhage? He ranks with the all time greats. End of story.

Posted August 18, 2013 12:39 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street), Nice post; thanks!

Posted August 18, 2013 11:11 am 


ray gordon reid

KOVALEV VS BEIBUT

Posted August 18, 2013 10:25 am 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo…. Geale-Barker was a toss up… It could easily have gone either way. Kovalev vs Cleverly was pretty much a done deal.

Kovalev was the obvious favorite because he was a better boxer and puncher.”

I said Geale/Barker would be a good fight but went with Barker. I was surprised how hittable Barker was. That body shot that Geale dropped Barker with was a piece of art. I know Kovalev was the favorite but I thought Cleverly would work from the outside and try to box himself to a victory. Instead he displayed plain stupidity against an opponent who has incredible KO power. Got what he deserved.

Posted August 18, 2013 10:16 am 


Supreme Court

Some of the (in)famous Tarkisms on ESB:

-” Rigondeaux whipped Nonito, THEREFORE he is better than Ward”.

– ” Trout did more damage on Cotto than Floyd did, and Canelo did damage on Trout, THEREFORE Canelo is going to damage Floyd”.

(Tark pense a l’envers…)

Posted August 18, 2013 8:38 am 


KOrnerman

that uppercut that Smith KO’d Buckland was a thing of beauty.

Posted August 18, 2013 7:47 am 


Anonymous

MICHAEL COLLINS WAS SPOT ON LAST NIGHT.

Posted August 18, 2013 7:15 am 


GTD

Sadly, this site is turning into boxing news 24.

Posted August 18, 2013 6:45 am 


BRUCE

CLEVERLY HAD AS MUCH CHANCE OF WINNING THAT FIGHT, AS HE DID SWIMMING THE CHANNEL WITH A FRIDGE ON HIS BACK.

Posted August 18, 2013 6:44 am 


huckster

respekt!

Posted August 18, 2013 6:08 am 


SeanieP

Cleverly first real test and he failed miserably.BHOP mite be an old man but he would beat Cleverly any day of the week.

Posted August 18, 2013 4:55 am 


Joseph Herron

Why did Guerrero fight Berto on the inside and smother his offense?

because from mid to long range, he’s at a severe disadvantage. he’s wasn’t faster than Berto nor did he punch as hard…he had no choice but to smother his offense and work on the inside.

The same assessment was made when analyzing Cleverly and Kovalev.

Cleverly’s only chance in winning this fight was to fight Kovalev just like Guerrero fought Berto…even the playing field by minimizing his time to react and his speed and power.

ring the bell, brother…school is in session!!

Goodnight!!

Posted August 18, 2013 4:23 am 


Joseph Herron

The Gogue article was merely taking the fighter’s strengths and weaknesses and making the best possible strategy for both fighters.

It would have been way too lengthy if we listed all of their strengths and weaknesses. As is stands, the article was almost 2K words…too long for an article

Posted August 18, 2013 4:12 am 


Joseph Herron

If you notice throughout the fight, Tark, Kovalev is always taking a step back or stepping to the side every time Cleverly moves forward.

Why?

Because he needs space to punch effectively…at maximum power.

Kovalev doesn’t work with the same power on the inside…he depends on catching his opponents at the end of his shots.

Posted August 18, 2013 4:08 am 


Joseph Herron

When have you ever seen Kovalev fight inside effectively?

You haven’t

Posted August 18, 2013 4:03 am 


Joseph Herron

See…right there, Tark

You’re not being specific enough.

you talk about what Kovalev should do at which range.

Cleverly was tentative and stayed at long to mid range…never gave Kovalev anything else to think about.

When you’re fighting a man like Golovkin or Kovalev, you had better use multiple ranges and multiple angles or they will pick you apart very quickly.

But because both fighters are very good at cutting off the ring effectively, you really don’t have much of a chance using the ring and boxing throughout the entire fight.

Cleverly’s best bet was to smother Kovalev’s offense and stay in his chest as long as he could while banging to the body and head, because Sergey needs distance to be effective. His power depends on leverage from mid to long range. he doesn’t work well underneath or on the inside. Most fighters from Eastern Europe don’t.

he really needed to fight Sergey a lot like guerrero fought Berto…by smothering him from start to finish while landing on the inside.

From mid to long range, Kovalev is a beast

Posted August 18, 2013 4:01 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

An easy 1st scalp for Kolalev would be a unification with WBA titlist Beibut Shumenov(who hasn’t actually fought for over a year) A Russian vs a Kazakstani would sell well in Europe or the USA.

Posted August 18, 2013 3:37 am 


Lman

Now we can look forward to everyone ducking him

Posted August 18, 2013 3:27 am 


Lman

Kovalev can sure bang, he didnt look particularly outstanding in there, but maybe it because he kmew he had Kleverly’s measure and didnt need to be, but you can tell from Kleverlys face that each of those punches were hurting him, same expression I use to see Pac’s opponents make.

Posted August 18, 2013 3:24 am 


czepukojc

Turbo Hamster I really dont know what youre doing here on this site! Your posts arent about boxing and you just insulting people.

Posted August 18, 2013 3:16 am 


czepukojc

Joseph Herron, Are the fighters that one dimensional or do they have more facets to their game at the world class level?

You dont have to analysis all to death! Tarks analysis is a summary of the most important, its the way the trainers and boxers talk with each other.

Posted August 18, 2013 3:11 am 


czepukojc

Turbo Hamster, I never saw a good analysis from YOU! All your posts are bs! If I read Tarks posts I know what he means and he’s 99,999% right.

Joseph Herron, Are the fighters that one dimensional or do they have more facets to their game at the world class level?

You dont have to analysis all to death! Tarks analysis is a summary of the most important, its the way the trainers and boxers talk with each other.

Posted August 18, 2013 3:11 am 


Farmboxer

Kovalev will knock out all the light heavyweight champions. Hopkins refused to fight him, so he went into Cleverly’s home town. The ref actually carried Cleverly to his corner in the third, the fight should have been stopped then, but in the 4 round, wow, Cleverly was murdered!

Posted August 18, 2013 2:58 am 


Joseph Herron

Thanks, Anonymous

Why do people do that? no wonder…here I thought I was actually getting through to the guy…lol

Posted August 18, 2013 2:55 am 


Anonymous

Joseph Tark is not TARK.

Posted August 18, 2013 2:52 am 


Tark

Why do so many posters in here think I’m an idiot? I know all things boxing, I do I do I do!!!

Posted August 18, 2013 2:49 am 


Joseph Herron

Sure you do, Tark…think about it.

Why does any fighter clinch on the inside if they aren’t hurt?

Posted August 18, 2013 2:45 am 


Joseph Herron

Lol…Tark, your analysis is always so vague and really doesn’t give any insight…like a brawler has the disadvantage against a puncher…what the hell is that?

What constitutes a brawler or puncher? Is that all they are? Are the fighters that one dimensional or do they have more facets to their game at the world class level?

Anyone can give a vague analysis and think that their right all the time. Because your not really saying anything.

Posted August 18, 2013 2:44 am 


Tark

No.

Posted August 18, 2013 2:43 am 


Joseph Herron

Lol…Tark, you’re showing your inexperience again or maybe your appetite for debate is clouding your vision.

The article wasn’t an analysis piece but a strategy piece in which Gogue outlined fight plans for both fighters. You have to do an assessment of strengths and weaknesses for both boxers to a certain extent.

So do you know why clinching on the inside is the best solution for Kovalev in a situation where he’s pushed up against the ropes and being smothered?

Do you have any idea?

Posted August 18, 2013 2:41 am 


TARK

Hidalgo…. Geale-Barker was a toss up… It could easily have gone either way. Kovalev vs Cleverly was pretty much a done deal.

Kovalev was the obvious favorite because he was a better boxer and puncher.

Posted August 18, 2013 2:18 am 


Adrian

Louis lebois- I agree…calzaghe fought a guy who was undefited at a time and a champion Kessler who we know manage to beat froch the first time and came close to beat him in the second time so to say calzaghe ducked froch is ridiculous .

Posted August 18, 2013 2:15 am 


Hidalgo

“Where’s kornerman and hidalgo? And all the other guys calling cleverly to win? ”

Geezuz Bears, give me a chance to get online and post. I’m the very last guy that’s going to hide from anything–especially you. I said I thought Cleverly could outbox Kovalev and get a decision win. I also said: “Well, Bears, I’m not worried about it. I know Kovalev is a puncher. If Cleverly doesn’t make it past him I can live with that. I expect Cleverly to do well against him. If not, I’ve been wrong before and it won’t kill me.” Remember? You should because you replied to me when I made that post. Interesting though–I don’t see you congratulating me for picking Barker to beat Geale.

And btw BEARS, kornerman and I weren’t the only two guys who favored Cleverly.

Posted August 18, 2013 1:56 am 


TARK

Herron…. What difference does it make if I use a term like whipped if I get the analysis correct??? Again, you’re nit picking is ridiculous in the extreme.

Gogue, your expert boxing analyst friend, said Kovalev would have to clinch if Cleverly got him on the ropes and worked his way inside… What kind of nonsense analysis is that???

Plus he predicted Cleverly would win… Wrong again buddy.

Posted August 18, 2013 1:54 am 


Louis Lebois

People crying about Calzaghe ducking Froch lol – When Calzaghe retired, Froch was a nobody. If you give fights to any old c**t who utters your name you’ll be fighting till the day you die. Froch wasn’t ready for Calzaghe in 2008 any way.

Posted August 17, 2013 11:49 pm 


spartacus 65

I mentioned Matteysse , though not Russian but still cut from the mold more or less of the kind of fighter that is bringing excitement back to the sport. Peace and strength.

Posted August 17, 2013 11:41 pm 


spartacus 65

Goodevening gentlemen. First I must say I sincerely take my hat off to Nathan Cleverly for having the testicular fortitude to get in the ring with a fighter the caliber of the power hitting Russian Kovalev. Where so mamy fighters today tend to take the safe route for a good payday ,producing scripted EVENTS, this eas good for boxing. Cleverly however I always felt though a competent pugilist, was not entirely ready for someone of this caliber. His arrival was heralded a bit too loudly in my view. From.viewing previous bouts of Nathan I had a forebearing that he would be beaten rather convincingly by the first fighter that had the grit and tools to put the heat on him so to speak. Kolavev was precisely the fighter to do just that and then some. Nathan did nor doesn’t have the athleticism to stay in there with this Russian freight train. Kovalev is a powerhouse with underrated skill . Love his cutting off the ring ability. Defe.se could be tweaked a bit but overall he has the goods. I for one am glad to see these fighters coming across the po.d to make their mark in the states. I always said these fellows are HUNGRY, DEDICATED AND WELL CONDITIONED . They bring it. These Russian fighters are tough and resilient as all goes. They’re bringing excitement back to boxing. I for one am looking forward to seeing Golovkin, Matteysse etc.. continue to ply their trade bere in the stayes. Fightees actually WILLING TO FIGHT ALL COMERS. WHAT A NOVELTY. Mr. Heron good pou.t about tryi.g to smother Kolavevs power. The caveat is to be willing to take the incoming from him in the process of doi.g that.,Still good point. Cheers gentlemen.

Posted August 17, 2013 11:36 pm 


Dionysus

Calzaghe beat EVERYONE he fought. Froch didn’t earn the right or put in the time to fight Calzaghe and Calzaghe was already done anyway. How is someone over-reated if they beat everyone they fought? If Hopkins is still beating the top fighters today, What in the world would Calzaghe have done to them? Calzaghe is still better than all of them today IMO because I have yet to see someone able to change up styles and readjust to a more successful style several times in a fight against anyone he faced. He had a good chin, fast hands and was in absolute top cardio condition. He put the time in since he was a child and deserves the respect that he worked so hard and so long on! He IS one of the G.O.A.T.s!

Posted August 17, 2013 11:13 pm 


PEEJ

Roy didn’t duck Tarver. Tarvers only claim to fame is against Roy. A Roy that was no longer what he was. Tarver got his jaw broke in an eliminator to fight Roy. Who has Tarver beat after Roy? Please Roy never ducked garbage Tarver.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:54 pm 


elbilly

The usual drivel from Collins reporting a fight in a terrible way. But so disappointed in Clev as he should have fought this differently knowing the danger that was there. He can come back, plenty of time on his side and will learn a lot form this. Don’t count him out yet.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:40 pm 


TARK

This is getting boring… I gotta go..

Posted August 17, 2013 10:32 pm 


46-0

Calzaghe had bigger fish to fry, a Froch fight at the time was just not there, who was Carl Froch at the time, Froch is good now, but he wasn’t then.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:31 pm 


TARK

Roy Jones ducked Antonio Tarver for years… Was Roy a ducker???

YES!!!!

Posted August 17, 2013 10:30 pm 


TARK

I think promoters are trying to get Froch and Groves going… I don’t think Froch is going to duck that… Let’s see what happens.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:29 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

Which is only to say that Antione Bird wasn’t the best fighter available for Roy Jones back in the daze.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:28 pm 


TARK

Froch had more rounds than Kovalev had going into the Cleverly fight, and was certainly a bette opponent for Calzaghe than Peter Manfredo.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:24 pm 


TARK

46… It was viable… And plenty of British promoters were anxious to put the fight on..

It was a blockbuster fight in fact.. One that had Brits buzzing about how audacious Froch was to challenge Calzaghe.. EVERYONE wanted to see it.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:22 pm 


Nicolas

Kovalev won every round, however, the writer of the article fails to mention the cut that Kovalev suffered, and could have been a factor if the fight had gone on. In a strange way, perhaps the cut, spurred on Cleverly, and that was his mistake. Certainly though, Cleverly was discouraged after the 1st and of course after the third.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:21 pm 


TARK

And Hamster…, You cannot predict my analysis for any fight… You’d have to have the same experience and expertise as I do, and you don’t.

For this fight I said Cleverly lacked a jab, a stance and was a brawler.. and that big bombers like Kovalev feasted on brawlers who stayed in your face.. I didn’t see anyone else pick up on that anywhere on the Internet.. Many said Kovalev would kill Cleverly, but didn’t say why except to say that Cleverly was no good.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:19 pm 


46-0

Tark, Froch was not on the radar at all when he was going on about fighting Calzaghe, it was not a big fight, would not of made money at the time, the fight was just not viable, simple as that.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:16 pm 


1-2

Truth is anyone whose been around boxing has there own views. IMO RJJ was technically weak but he was so dominant it didn’t matter. The same goes for Pacquiao

Posted August 17, 2013 10:14 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

Tark, if Calzaghe were two years younger you’d have a point. I’ll direct you to Froch himself, clearly feeling that Groves is below him, to get a feeling for why Calzaghe didn’t take that up.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:13 pm 


1-2

Too funny but true Turbo Hamster! I had my little debate with the “All Mighty Tark” a few years ago and went just like that.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:12 pm 


TARK

Scott protested the Chisora loss??? OK… I can be wrong.

But he deserves to win the protest and he won’t.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:09 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

Ronald Reagan?

Posted August 17, 2013 10:07 pm 


TARK

Krlali1Shoe…. How about Froch??? Froch called Calzaghe out for many years running… A very difficult style for a guy like Calzaghe… Joe fought Peter Manfredo instead of a massive money fight with Froch.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:07 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

TARK…I don`t have to follow your analysis I can predict it.

Okay lets just talk about Boxer X who you like, boxer Y you don`t.

Ahem….the TARKNESS would say..

Boxer Y can`t box worth a damn, he has no jab and has stance issues. I have been saying this for years, he has no defence. Back when I watched Jim Corbett vs Tom Sharkey I saw the same issues.

Boxer X has perfect stance, he is a great boxer. Is he better than Tommy Hearns, hell yes Tommy Hearns was a sucker for a right hand. Boxer X would have beaten him and Hagler easy, they can`t box a lick.

The thing is, there is oftena nugget of truth to some of what you are saying but you are such a wh0re for hyperbole, that you run away with yourself and end up saying stupid stuff, or making stuff up to support your argument (Vitali and steroid cream, Malik Scott not protesting Chisora loss etc)

Posted August 17, 2013 10:06 pm 


Ghost Rider

Three guesses as to my true identity? I give you my word that I will reveal it if you guess correctly.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:06 pm 


TARK

Now… Don’t get me wrong.. Calzaghe was a good fighter.. He just wasn’t a great fighter like Kovalev.. There’s a big difference.

Look at what Kovalev has accomplished and he has only 61 professional rounds under his belt.. Pretty damned impressive.

Then look at Calzaghe’s fight with Charles Brewer, and compare.

Posted August 17, 2013 10:05 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

Name that fighter Calzaghe should have fought?

Posted August 17, 2013 10:03 pm 


TARK

Dionysus…. What Calzaghe did Cleverly could have done if he picked his spots better.. Cleve was 26-0 but he fought a guy better than anyone Calzaghe ever fought.

And 43 is 43… You’re damned old… Even if you can beat some 2nd rate champs when you’re a few years older… Hopkins is not going to fight Kovalev… and if he does he gets destroyed.

Dawson had no problem whipping up on Hopkins, and Dawson can’t even punch.. Calzaghe was no big puncher either of course.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:59 pm 


Dionysus

Talking about Calzaghe

Posted August 17, 2013 9:53 pm 


Dionysus

Tark, how? His record and who he has fought proves you wrong. Anything else you say is merely pulling at strings. He beat jones, Kessler, Hopkins, Lacy, etc…. Don’t say Hopkins is was old, he’s beating top ranked fighters NOW!

Posted August 17, 2013 9:52 pm 


TARK

Maybe you don’t Hamster… I could GAS what you believe… Just follow my analysis and see how often I’m dead on the money.

Otherwise STFU.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:51 pm 


46-0

I am going to mediate now, Joseph Herron and Tark, stop now, no 3 knockdown rule, only the ref stops the fight, when I say break stp punching, are we clear, stop.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:50 pm 


TARK

IMPORTANT.POINT…., You’re an idiot… FO

Posted August 17, 2013 9:48 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

I don`t think anyone actually believes for a second that you have ever boxed TARK.

In fact the likelihood is that the most interaction you have ever had with a boxing club is when they have taken out a restraining order to stop you trying to take pictures of the biys in the shower.

Take Herron up, call into his show.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:48 pm 


TARK

My story doesn’t change every day and it never did Herron…

You’re just a guy who lies his ass off… Admit it when you’re wrong.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:47 pm 


Joseph Herron

Then who are you, Tark? Because the story of your lofty credentials change everyday. lol

Don’t get mad, brother. I’m going to watch the fights now.

BTW, I meant that Kessler could have been damaged emotionally…not any kind of physical ailment.

Tark, surely you much know this with all of that great knowledge.

Btw, real fight trainers will not describe technical prowess with whipped and zipped.

I don’t have to hide behind an alias, brother.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:46 pm 


TARK

46-0…. If you want to adore your hero Calzaghe, fine. He was overrated.

Kovalev is the real deal.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:43 pm 


TARK

Herron…., I boxed amateur and pro and trained hundreds of boxers… You’re a joke so go piss up a rope you idiot.

Just because my analysis is dead on and yours stinks.. Including for this fight you want to name call.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:40 pm 


46-0

Tark, you said on the article below,”The fact that the only thing he cared about was remaining undefeated… Kind of like Sven Ottke only he was a better fighter.

Ottke ducked about everyone… Calzaghe ducked Froch.. Dawson.. Johnson.. Tarver.. and prime Hopkins and Jones.”

That makes you look daft.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:39 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark,

Look, brother…you don’t have to be bitter about not knowing as much as I do about boxing. it’s alright. how could you?

You’ve never fought and you don’t have the humility to learn anything more. So it’s embarrassing for you to try and pick a fight with me.

everyone can tell that it’s what you’re doing.

Why don’t you call into my show tomorrow and we can talk boxing without any aliases or pauses in rebuttal. I missed you on last week’s episode, but you get another opportunity to redeem yourself.

We can talk about whatever you want, brother…but merely picking a fight with me because you’re bitter isn’t very becoming, brother…lol

Guys…i’m going to watch the fights…I’m going to whip on over to the TV and zip onto the couch to watch the bouts!! lol

Technically breaking it down like my idol Tark…lol

Posted August 17, 2013 9:37 pm 


Pissedawthetime

That’s some power. I picked Cleverly but he never looked confident. Kovalev to unify.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:35 pm 


TARK

For a long time as Cleverly remained undefeated I said he had no stance and no Jab… Gonzo basically agrees with me…

But I said Cleverly was a brawler and had many of the same stance and jab issues Calzaghe had, and if either of them ever fought anybody like Kovalev they’d get killed.. Frazier-Foreman all over again, except Kovalev can box as well as punch.. So can Golovkin.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:33 pm 


Wolf

You hate for the sake of hating. You ran like a thief in the night. I remember, I saw.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:31 pm 


TARK

Wolf…, I had Kovalev beating Cleverly… Nothing to argue about.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:29 pm 


TARK

You better find a new expert to adore Herron… Gogue know ZERO about Boxing.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:27 pm 


Wolf

Tark hates Calzaghe. He hates for the sake of it. He ran from the Dragonborn on that Clevery article the other day. Ran like a thief in the night. When it came time to back up his guff Tark was nowhere to be seen.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:26 pm 


TARK

Herron…. You’re not anyone’s equal… Anyone who knows Boxing that is.

Your buddy Gogue was WRONG AGAIN!!!!

Posted August 17, 2013 9:25 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

Get over yourself Joseph Herring

Posted August 17, 2013 9:24 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark,

I stated that Kessler was somewhat damaged mentally. Some fighters don’t take their first loss well and are never capable of getting back that same level of confidence in and out of the ring.

Tark, don’t tangle with me today, brother…not in the mood to debate with someone who really isn’t my equal.

Now, if you have a genuine inquiry and actually are interested in learning something and sharing insight, then great…I would love to start a discussion with you.

But you seem to be riddled with the cancerous mentality of a political forum dweller who is only interested in picking a fight. If you want a counter productive discussion that is sure to end with insults and bad vibes, then I suggest you try the nut-jobs on Politico.

But don’t try to trade with me…not today, brother

Posted August 17, 2013 9:19 pm 


46-0

Tark don’t like Calzaghe.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:19 pm 


TARK

Herron and Dionysus…., “Calzaghe ruined Kessler.”

Don’t be stupid… Kessler was beaten but barely beaten up.. He won a couple rounds with terrific uppercuts that rocked JC and was fairly fresh at the end of the 12-rounder.

Ward gave Kessler a worse beating, never got hit with a hard punch, and stopped him … and pretty much pounded him the whole night.

Kessler said before his most recent fight. “I’m a better boxer than I was when I fought Calzaghe. I move better on my feet. I move my head better. My sparring is the best I’ve ever had. I expect this to be my best fight.”

Posted August 17, 2013 9:12 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

You don`t need a jab to beat Kovalev.

What you need is a .50 Desert Eagle and an elite team of highly trained r@pe-ferrets.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:11 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark,

please don’t try to go toe to toe with me concerning technical insight into the fight game.

You know much about the sport of boxing, but not from a technical stand point. so don’t go there, brother.

last time I asked you for a technical analysis, you were using adjectives like whipped and zipped. you’re going to embarrass yourself if you try to tangle with me concerning tech talk.

So just stick to history and resume and other things of that nature.

Posted August 17, 2013 9:04 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Mentioning Tony Bellews name as the best fighter Cleverly has beaten proves what a joke he really is. Bellew is awful, and a domestic fighter at best. Im sure he was relieved he wont be fighting Stephenson soon because he would have suffered a brutal KO and would be shipped back to liverpool on a life support machine.
About cleverly. his lack of movement means he is always going to stuggle with the creme de la creme of his division, and yes Kovalev is a nice fighter with exceptional punching power but i think the key to beating the likes of him is movement. He didnt seem very mobile to me in that fight either. The likes of Cleverly and Bellew are awful, please dont mention them in the same breathe as the elite fighters. Rankings are just stupid

Posted August 17, 2013 8:59 pm 


tbone

think he nearly gave up boxing

Posted August 17, 2013 8:44 pm 


Hosteen

What will happen to Wilder when he fights someone who actually fights back?

Posted August 17, 2013 8:42 pm 


TARK

Herron says…., “Cleverly had to smother Kovalev’s offense to win.”

WRONG!!! The only way you can beat a puncher of this caliber is to out-box him.. You need a jab… You need a defense… You need skills.

You can’t smother the punching power of guys like Golovkin, Matthysse, and Kovalev. Especially not a guy like Cleverly. He is taller and has a longer reach than Kovalev, which means he doesn’t have as much leverage on the inside.. He doesn’t even have a finished jab so he was really at a huge disadvantage in this fight.

Posted August 17, 2013 8:40 pm 


Dionysus

Kinda wierd nothing was said about it. Wonder to what degree it bothers him?

Posted August 17, 2013 8:35 pm 


Euthansia

GONZO OF NAZARETH should be put down, it’s the right decision, stop his suffering.

Posted August 17, 2013 8:31 pm 


tbone

on kovalevs wiki it has a link to a fight that his opponent died in hospital after the fight.. how come this was never mentioned before?

Posted August 17, 2013 8:29 pm 


Dionysus

A paper champ would be Lucien Bute.

Posted August 17, 2013 8:28 pm 


Dionysus

Gonzo, you see it as Cleverly being THAT BAD, when its really that Kovalev is just THAT GOOD. Bellows is highly ranked 4th overall (Kovalev 5th) and Cleverly beat him. Clearly, coming into the fight undefeated and beating the nber 4 ranked overall in te division proves he’s not a “paper champ”. All this proves is the power of Kovalev and how good he actually is. If Cleverly is a paper champ then Kovalev needs only one arm to fight and beat the rest of the top ten.

Posted August 17, 2013 8:26 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

For all you people saying Cleverly will be fine, you’re absolutely right, because he wont ever be fighting on the world class level. He’ll do just fine on the European and domestic level.
He has limited skills and is feather fisted with lack of movement. He will be babysitted and with the right amount of luck he will become once again a paper champ by accumulating wins against inferior opposition and somehow becoming a number 1 contender for one of the belts which may have been vacated.
But i hope for the good of boxing this is the last we have heard of Cleverly, he simply isnt good enough and those punches he took, he may already be a shot fighter, dangerously bad decision by the ref to not stopping it in the 3rd. Gonzo bringing you quality analysis once again. Im the greatest boxing analyst since antiquity.

Posted August 17, 2013 8:17 pm 


Dionysus

I think Cleverly will be fine against pretty much all the rest in the division. He already beat Bellows, he should be able to beat the rest of the top ten (dawson, cloud, fonfara, pascal, bute, 48 year old Hopkins, Stevenson). This fight may just make him even better. I’ll watch for Cleverly fights in the future. I hope to see them set Stevenson/Kovalev.

Posted August 17, 2013 8:06 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

Michael Collins. Scum

Posted August 17, 2013 8:03 pm 


BEARS

Aww thanks gonzo. I’m racking those gonzo points up. All I want to hear about at light heavy now is kovalev vs adonis. I got kovalev to win

Posted August 17, 2013 7:54 pm 


Joseph Herron

I think you’re right, Dionysus.

Kessler was damaged mentally that night.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:52 pm 


Dionysus

I’ll never forget when Kessler laced ‘em up with Calzaghe. Both favorites of mine. I think Calzaghe was fighting Kessler at Mikkel’s very best. I think Joe kinda ruined him after that fight on some level. He was never the same Kessler.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:50 pm 


Supreme Court

If you see this as an opportunity to release the beast hidden in you, I mean your kkk instinct, You’ll meet your fate on this thread….
I see you coming…
And you are already in the crosshairs….

Call it warning shots, I call it advice….

( ce n’est pas une menace c’est un conseil…)

Posted August 17, 2013 7:49 pm 


Joseph Herron

You’re wrong about Stevenson, Euro

Chad knew Adonis had massive power. He just didn’t realize how smart he is in the ring. Chad fell for the first trap Adonis set for him.

That’s what makes Adonis so dangerous.

A fight between Adonis and Sergey would be a super fight.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:47 pm 


JOEY

DID ANYONE BET ON THE WELSHMAN.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:45 pm 


Dionysus

Cleverly doesn’t need to be shamed. Kovalev is top shelf and hits like a heavy. Hopefully Cleverly’s career is not affected negatively in the future from the outcome of this fight. Cleverly will go on to win again.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:44 pm 


Euro Box

Cloud might get beat by Stevenson, maybe, but I think Stevenson is not that good, a flash in the pan.Chad Dawson got caught, he could of beat him, he underestimated the punching power.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:43 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

Barlow, no matter how indirect, dot dot dot. Most of you are frauds. Who are ya’? Who are you? Nut huggers and gangbangers. You’re mostly just poor typists. Congrats to Sergei Kovalev. Fought a great fight.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:42 pm 


Joseph Herron

Euro Box,

I hope a fight between Adonis and Sergey actually takes place…you are severely underestimating the skill level and ring IQ of Adonis Stevenson.

You’ll find out how crafty Adonis is when he shreds Tavoris on the 28th of September.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:39 pm 


Theoneandonly

Cleverley v macranelli next I think

Posted August 17, 2013 7:37 pm 


Supreme Court

Lenin:
Are you here for a soviet-style propaganda?
Here is what you wrote:

“Gonzo, Kovalev doesn’t look like the typical blown up roid guy. No super muscles. He’s just a beast from the East.”

Did Lance Amstrong look like the “typical blown up roids”?

Support your ethnically connected fighter, but don’t assume you are talking to average-joes….

That is all!

(Nous avons les yeux grand-ouverts mon cher ami du goulag…)

Posted August 17, 2013 7:37 pm 


Joseph Herron

Very perceptive, Dionysus.

You know the old slogan, “the mind is a terrible thing to waste”?

in boxing, the mind is a terrible thing…period.

If you’re not brimming with confidence before you step in the ring, you’ve already lost the fight. It’s a game of imposing your manhood on your opponent.

Like the immortal Apollo Creed once said, “Be more man than him!! Be more man than him!!”

That’s the truth in the ring, brother!!

Posted August 17, 2013 7:36 pm 


Joseph Herron

Very classy, Curly Q

Continue being a fan of Cleverly because he is a great ambassador of the sport. I wish every fighter had his willingness to take risks in the ring. Boxing would be consistently more entertaining.

With that said, I can’t blame anyone for deciding not to face a KO artist like Kovalev.

That’s what makes Cleverly’s bold move so commendable. No shame in losing at this level.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:33 pm 


Dionysus

Joseph, I understand the psychology behind that. I’ve boxed for a little and I get that. But I think quiet confidence would have served him better. As for Garcia, you can tell he is seriously worried and nervous because his dad usually does the trash talking. Anyone could tell Garcia moreso is trying to convince himself he can win.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:32 pm 


Euro Box

Stevenson is not the same as Kovalev, Stevenson has knockout power that’s it, Stevenson can be beat, he isn’t relentless like Kovalev.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:32 pm 


BEARS

When u post such garbage its a good idea to post under the name “anonymous”

Posted August 17, 2013 7:29 pm 


Joseph Herron

Anonymous,

I know Cornelius White and he is about as tough as it gets in the gym.

He spars with every good fighter in and around the Houston area and more than holds in own.

So anyone who knows “Da Beast” from Houston, Texas and saw the fight with Kovalev quickly realized that Sergey is indeed the real deal.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:29 pm 


BEARS

Serg kovalev dominated white anonymous. You don’t know what your talkn about. Your an east side rarity now. Meaning one of very few who is actually dumb enough not to give kovalev proper credit and estimation at this time. If your not on the kovalev badwagon by now I question your ability to deduce much of anything when it comes to boxing.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:28 pm 


Martin

@anonymous

That’s just BS. Cornelius White gave Kovalev no more problems than Cleverly did, and was KO’d in the third round after being knocked down three times (twice from Kovalev’s jabs).

Posted August 17, 2013 7:27 pm 


urone2

Euro Box,

That’s one of those things that people say until they are wrong and then disappear from sight. The Guy punches hard so did George Foreman, Sonny liston, Bob Foster, Roberto Duran and the list goes on fact is this is boxing, to make a statement as if it is fact before a fight happens is Idiotacy. Kovalev can step in with Stevenson and Stevenson lands the first clean bomb it could be fight over even though I would think Kovalev would win, I wouldn’t stupidly state it as a fact.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:25 pm 


Euro Box

You should not mention a fighter killed someone in the ring, that’s like bringing up Benn v McClellan, no one does it, obviously I have just done that, only to educate you.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:23 pm 


BRUCE

JOEY,LOVE THE ONE ABOUT THE FANS CLASSIC.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:23 pm 


Joseph Herron

I just noticed the first line in Collins’ passage:

“Cleverly was badly exposed tonight”

That’s horrible. The only fighter exposed tonight was Kovalev…as an elite level talent.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:21 pm 


Anonymous

i watched kovalev fight a guy call white a few months ago , white gave him a lot of problems, he even made him back up in that fight. Kovalev stopped him eventually. White is no world beater, so what this fight proved was that Cleverly was a well matched hype job, sometime he had to step up, and when he does he was always going to get smashed.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:20 pm 


Euro Box

Smothering their work and running in with headbutts and then grabbing and holding are 2 different things, Ward can’t punch, Kovalev would knock him out.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:19 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

That Sergei Kovalev would stop Nathan as he did was no surprise to me as Sergei’s quite on another level; however, I want to compliment Nathan Cleverly for taking this fight (one fight that few if any others would take), and I want to wish Nathan the best. He’s earned my respect and, I am his fan.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:16 pm 


Joseph Herron

Dionysus,

the primary reason why anyone trash talks before facing a murderous puncher in the ring is because it takes a lot of brass to step in the ring knowing that you’re facing a guy with one punch knock-out power.

Guys like Garcia and Cleverly were merely trying to give themselves the confidence needed to win a fight of this nature. it takes a tremendous amount of courage to take on a fighter who has actually killed a man in the ring.

Props to Clev for merely taking the fight.

But you could tell early on that he was not confident that he could win.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:16 pm 


urone2

The only way I see to beat someone like Kovales is to step in and smother their power push them backwards and firing away in close. When on the break stay out at distance until you can safely get back on the inside. Use plenty of feints to work you way inside, make sure you work to the body to take some of that power away.

As for ward staying in Oakland, no matter what you say it was the smartest thing to do. I wouldn’t want you for a manager I see you would make a bad decision just to make a point. HBO snapped Ward right up after he won the Super Six seems like it was a good business move.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:15 pm 


Euro Box

An idiot.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:14 pm 


BEARS

Where’s kornerman and hidalgo? And all the other guys calling cleverly to win? Bahahahahah they dissapeared!!!! I called it on the thread below. Kovalev stoppage first third of the fight. I guess with my exact forecasting I’m the new greatest fight forecaster. Whatdya guys think?

Posted August 17, 2013 7:13 pm 


Joseph Herron

You’re right on the money, Gonzo.

I know several journalists and fans of the sport who stepped in the ring once and only once. They were reminded very quickly why it’s been dubbed the hurt business.

After their miserable and brief experience in the ring, they don’t criticize the fighters any longer.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:12 pm 


Anonymous

and thats a fact

Posted August 17, 2013 7:11 pm 


Anonymous

Michael Collins is a convicted paedophile.The Judge was British. All is explained.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:10 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I hate it most of all when they criticize fighters for quitting. The vast majority of those throwing stones would’ve quit the sport altogether after getting a red nose on their first day of sparring.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:09 pm 


Euro Box

Give some attention to Correctamundo, he will throw his toys out the pram else.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:08 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

No man who does a maths degree and wears a headband should be classified as a coward.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:04 pm 


JOEY

WHY WERE THE FANS SINGING,ITS GOOD TO SMOKE THE GREEN GREEN GRASS OF HOME.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:04 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Kovalev WON by Welshman WILTING stoppage just as I CORRECTLY called!!!! Its a bird! Its a plane! Nope. Its CORRECTAMUNDO!!!!

Posted August 17, 2013 7:03 pm 


Euro Box

Stay at home in Oakland, for the supersix, an Internatinal tournament, Ward would make more money fighting away, it would a big stadium and it would probably be PPV.

Posted August 17, 2013 7:03 pm 


gray

well put joseph. as much as i dislike some fighters i wouldnt write anything as disrespectful about a guy who puts his life and health at risk

Posted August 17, 2013 7:02 pm 


urone2

Euro Box, because they can’t stay at home if they want to make any real money. So, most will come to the U.S. to get the big payday. And tell me why would I leave home if I didn’t have to, would it be to go somewhere else and make less money……That would be just stupid!!!!!!!

Posted August 17, 2013 7:00 pm 


Joseph Herron

I know what you mean, Martin.

If you are around the fighters and actually spend time in the gym, there’s no way you write with that kind of elitist attitude. Inexperienced bloggers will try to adopt the elitist viewpoint to make it seem like they actually know what they’re talking about.

But most of the savvy fight fans here on ESB know what time it is.

Thumbs up to real fight fans on ESB!!

Posted August 17, 2013 6:58 pm 


gray

joesph agreed but thats why after 1 min in the first round i knew kovalev would win because clev didnt have the speed or style to achieve it. i remember saying years ago clev takes far to many punches and has relied on his pressure for far to long and sooner or later and this happens to every fighter you meet someone who is tougher than you and the fact is clev hasnt improved at all in the last 3 years and that wasn’t going to change in one 8 week training camp

Posted August 17, 2013 6:57 pm 


Fred

@boxing barlow, LMAO

Posted August 17, 2013 6:57 pm 


Dionysus

What is it about guys wanting to trashtalk when they are about to fight HUGE punchers. Ex: Cleverly said he was “going to KO Kovalev”.

Garcia is saying he’s going to KO Mathysse.

Doesn’t it ever click that maybe you should be the nicest, most professional, likable person all the way until the first bell? Then get aggressive after that. I think that’s a mistake to sign to fight KO artists and then trash talk them. Like poking a huge hornet nest with a short stick. You are gonna get stung up and hurt,… Bad!

Posted August 17, 2013 6:57 pm 


BRUCE

TO ALL YOU BOXING EXPERTS ON HERE,NEXT TIME YOU HYPE UP A FIGHTER MAKE SURE ITS A REAL ONE.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:56 pm 


Collins is a troll

Also owner of ESB.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:56 pm 


punch

Ward will school Kovalev, easy money, lol

Posted August 17, 2013 6:55 pm 


Joseph Herron

I don’t drink, brother…lol

I love Barlow’s Rocky IV scenario!! gotta love the Rocky movies!!

Posted August 17, 2013 6:55 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

There is no LOL, don’t you see you’re all liars.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:54 pm 


Popkins

Boxing Barlow – Kovalev has actually killed an opponent as a pro. Hope Kov clears up the division now. Don’t think Froch’s will b stepping up to 175 any time soon.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:54 pm 


Martin

This “writer” always writes as though if you’re not the very best in the world in your division, you’re basically an embarrassment to the sport. Being in the top ten, or even (e.g. in the case of Froch) second in the word in your division, makes you worthless.

So now, let’s apply that to writers shall we? Where would this “author” rank himself amongst the world’s professional writers? In the top three or four *BILLION*? Don’t kid yourself!

What a complete f***ing imbecile.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:54 pm 


Joseph Herron

Gray,

if he worked his way in while using upper body and head movement, working behind sporadic jabs, Clev could have had more success working his way inside. But you can’t just walk in or you’ll get clobbered. you have to close that distance by applying intelligent pressure…you have to give your opponent something more to focus on while moving in.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:53 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

What do you love Joseph? Are you drunk?

Posted August 17, 2013 6:51 pm 


KO

He would rest him for quite a while, it is OK though, clear his shoulder injury up, rest is best for injuries.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:50 pm 


Poplins

Boxing Barlow – lol:) … Gutted Clev lost. But this was always on the cards against Kov. M. Collins – Nathan was not exposed. Kov is clearly just one helluva fighter, and I’d pik him to destroy Hopkins, Cloud, Stevenson and possibly even Froch’s in similar fashion if those fights r made.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:49 pm 


Fred

Kovalev is the new star in lhw division, while ward slaps you for 12 rounds and maybe connects with a couple of his headmakers, kovalev destroys his opponents, hope ward has the balls to face him, would be a great fight

Posted August 17, 2013 6:49 pm 


Joseph Herron

Boxing Barlow…I love it!!

Joey Za Za = Rocky Balboa

priceless!!

Posted August 17, 2013 6:48 pm 


JOEY

THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A HYPE JOB FACES A REAL FIGHTER.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:48 pm 


gray

josepth – agreed smothering kovalev is the key but you need to be able to take the punches on the way in and there lies the problem. i think the only game plan clev could have used to win would be to jump out the ring pick up a ringside seat and smash kvalev over the head with it

Posted August 17, 2013 6:47 pm 


Joseph Herron

Clev should have never attempted to box Kovalev.

he should have listened to my man Gogue. If you give fighters like Kovalev and Golovkin room to work, you will get shredded.

They cut off the ring so well and land accurate power shots from mid to long range. If anyone wants to have a chance against these guys, a fighter has to take away the leverage they need to deliver their power shots and smother their offense.

Get right in their chest and stay their…just like Hatton took away King Kostya’s leverage by grappling with him on the inside, that’s what it takes to be competitive with Kovalev and Golovkin.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:46 pm 


KO

KOvalev would put Ward in a coma.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:45 pm 


Dionysus

Kovalev is real. I want to see him smash Stevenson next.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:43 pm 


boxing barlow

Apparently cleverly is in a critical condition, Kovalev has stated that “if he dies, he dies”. Calzaghe is currently riding around in his sports car upset by the nights events. Against the wishes of his girlfriend a title fight will be set up for Kovalev V Calzaghe in Russia on Christmas day!

Posted August 17, 2013 6:43 pm 


Martin

If Hopkins were to take a fight with Kovalev, he’d end his career getting KTFO by a “white boy”. Ergo: HOPKINS WILL FIND A WAY TO DUCK KOVALEV. Mark my words.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:42 pm 


gray

just read the article did cleverly knock off michael collins wife or something ( i can’t call him a writer as i’ve read better stuff from 5 year olds)

Posted August 17, 2013 6:41 pm 


Joseph Herron

Sorry, Gray.

You’re right on the money. I feel bad for Nathan.

But hey, there’s no shame in losing at this level to an elite level puncher like Kovalev. Cleverly wanted to become a star, and that takes calculated risks.

Unfortunately, Cleverly couldn’t implement the only fight plan that could have worked for him. He had to smother Kovalev’s offense to win and he couldn’t get inside without getting cracked from both sides.

In the end, Clev didn’t have the athleticism to pull it off. But Nathan deserves a ton of credit for taking this fight. I wish more fighters had his guts and willingness to take on all challengers.

The sport would be much better off!!

Posted August 17, 2013 6:40 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Kovalev is the truth Brother Joseph.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:38 pm 


Fishkie

This writer sounds like he hates Clev, Lighten up Michelle, It was always going to be the plan to just keep away for the 1st few rounds, obviously it didnt goto plan. but talk about kick a man while hes down!!
F uckin Bell end x

Posted August 17, 2013 6:37 pm 


gray

joseph read lower it was me who said hbo were there for kolakev

Posted August 17, 2013 6:36 pm 


boxing barlow

To be fair I’d watch a ggg/kovalev all day long over a Ward!

Posted August 17, 2013 6:35 pm 


boxing barlow

So have we finally got a serious threat to ward?

Posted August 17, 2013 6:32 pm 


Joseph Herron

Guys, there is no shame losing to a fighter with the power of Kovalev. The only fight at 175 pounds at this time is Stevenson vs Kovalev. Both fighters have home run power…the ability to end the fight with just one punch.

That’s the fight that HBO plans to make if Adonis gets past Tavoris Cloud.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:31 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

HBO were definitely there for Kovalev. He’s a TV friendly wrecking machine, whereas Cleverly whilst being talented and ad having a pretty fan friendly style isn’t blowing people out of the water like Sergey.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:29 pm 


LikeISeeIt

Good win for Kovalev but this performance does not shed light on how well he would do against an elite fighter. It’s time for him to step up the competition.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:28 pm 


Krlali1Shoe

Gonzo, you’re boring, not intelligent at all. Joey, jump on the bandwagon, buy a blow up doll.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:25 pm 


dexter

Where does cleverclogs go from here

Posted August 17, 2013 6:25 pm 


Gr33nFather

wtf Cleverley was suppose to be the man

Posted August 17, 2013 6:23 pm 


gray

its a good point gonzo hats off to cleverly for taking the fight but i cant help but feel hbo duped him with a carrot to take the fight when they were really there for kolakev

Posted August 17, 2013 6:22 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Gonzo has spoken

World start moving again.

Continue about your business.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:22 pm 


JOEY

BANG GOES ANOTHER PAPER CHAMP.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:21 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit> Like I said he showed a lot of guts to fight Kovalev in the first place

Posted August 17, 2013 6:21 pm 


Robert

I hear what your saying Boxing Barlow. However Kovalev has brutal Light Heavyweight power. Froch was buzzed by and dropped by a blown up Jermain Taylor at Super Middle. I guarantee you Froch has never tasted the type of power Sergey would have if they fought at Light heavy.To add to that, Froch defense can be porous. At Light Heavy, not only do I think Sergey knocks him out. I think he would do it in a manner that would be brutal. And he would do it early.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:21 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Feel really sorry for Cleverly. He took a massive risk in making a voluntary defence against the most feared and dangerous fighter in the division. I’ve been on the Kovalev bandwagon for quite a while now. I’ve really liked the look of him since I first laid eyes on him. He’s not some one dimensional banger whose weaknesses are easy to exploit. He’s a actually a very good boxer and he has a wide array of punches in his arsenal to call upon, all of which he can throw with power, good speed and accuracy. Left hook, right hooks, left uppercuts, right uppercuts, a nice hard jab and he can throw wickedly horrible body shots with either hand as well. In short, the guy is a highly skilled beast and Cleverly has nothing to be ashamed of for losing to a someone as formidable as that. Like I said he showed a lot of guts to fighting Kovalev in the first place, who else would’ve taken on a beast like him in a voluntary?

Posted August 17, 2013 6:19 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Gonzo is about to speak

Posted August 17, 2013 6:19 pm 


gray

Lenin of course its one defeat but that was a brutal beat down in his own back yard both mentally and physically its going to be tough. he can do it though. Boxing barlow its a good point you make when cleverly started to fight kolakev in the pocket he looked really uncomfortable but his power soon put that to an end

Posted August 17, 2013 6:18 pm 


boxing barlow

I do think we’ve really discovered today that cleverly is pretty ordinary. In retrospect the way he struggled with Bellew should have identified that he’s just a decent European level fighter. Instread maybe fans were duped into thinking that Bellew must be world class as well. If you had put Bellew in with Calzaghe at the same stage in their careers Calzaghe would have murdered Bellew, so maybe the writing was on the wall. Digressing how about Kovalev V GGG?!

Posted August 17, 2013 6:18 pm 


scottyboy

I hate to say I told you so but I really saw this coming. I was initially impressed by cleverly a few years back but he has shown very little improvement since then. It dawned on me how little he had improved when he struggled to an abysmal performance against karpency, who should never have seen the 2nd round against a truly world class fighter. Difficult to see where cleverly goes from here. He’s crap to watch, has no power and has just been totally outclassed by one of the division’s finest. I said it before but I think all the top guys at LH would demolish cleverly.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:18 pm 


?

Kovalev has not took a shot yet, he probably can take a shot, he looks very good, he will eventually get caught, interesting to see what happens, if you can’t punch, forget beating Kovalev, he will walk straight through you.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:17 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

Wow.. I hereby excise Wales from the UK and replace it with Russia.

Sheepboy just got eaten like an oreo.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:17 pm 


boxing barlow

The thing with Kovalev and Froch is that Froch had taken some serious shots. He’s been in with the best fighters in the division not just one fighter he’s been in with everyone. No one has knocked him out and Kessler smashed him to pieces in their first bout. Kovalev on the other hand has not yet been in with a fighter who has been able to throw back at him the kind of shots he himself throws. Froch has serious power too. I’m not saying who I think would win but we would be in unknown territory.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:14 pm 


BRUCE

NEWSFLASH CLEVERLYS NEXT FIGHT AGAINST STEVE BUNCE.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:13 pm 


on the button

nothing special about cleverly just ordinary fighter , most of your game plan goes away as soon as you get hit it proves tonight all fighters under frank are just paper champ

Posted August 17, 2013 6:10 pm 


mr gav

Hats of to kovalev just really gutted clev lost I hope he can come back from this. But a very exciting carrerr is for kovalev

Posted August 17, 2013 6:09 pm 


Lenin

KOrnerman, the great old BHop won’t risk a fight vs. Kovalev. BHop knows he would KTFOd. He’d rather end his career.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:08 pm 


Lenin

gray, Clev lost for the first time. He can rebuild his career, he should just stay away from Kovalev. It’s a bit like Froch and Ward: Froch is a great boxer, but Ward is his kryptonite. So as long Clev stays away from Kovalev, he could still take a belt in the future.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:07 pm 


KOrnerman

B-hop, I would love to see him getting KTFO.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:05 pm 


gray

i dont think froch could take kolakevs punches the man seriously punches – he completely outclassed cleverly who is going to struggle to recover from that

Posted August 17, 2013 6:04 pm 


Boxtradamus

Just as I predicted! Not going to type the rest its the same ole.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:04 pm 


KOrnerman

I do think Clev fought the wrong fight, his jab was working well he should have kept him on the end of it for a few more rounds but he started mixing it too early.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:03 pm 


Robert

Kovalev destroys the Super Middleweight Froch. If Froch is able to make Kovalev boil down to 168..then who knows? But if they fought at 175 (And now that Kovalev is a champion with HBO backing, I believe the fight would be at 175) I do not see Frock taking that power for long.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:02 pm 


KOrnerman

After Stevenson dispatches cloud that’d be a good fight to, for about 30 secs till the first bomb lands. Nath had a great chin at 175 so there’s no ones chin is going to handle that kinda power.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:00 pm 


Lenin

Kovalev would demolish Froch. I’d be afraid Froch could get seriously hurt. He’s such a tough guy who would never surrender, and taking too many of these big shots might end his career. Kovalev doesn’t look like a Russian bodybuilder on PEDs, but this man has an incredible power.

Posted August 17, 2013 6:00 pm 


BUSTAJAY

Damn the clever one….damn him….ugggghhhhhhhhh
WTF

Posted August 17, 2013 5:59 pm 


Pat Mustard

Respect to Clev for taking the fight but I always thought it was a stupid move, Kovalev is relentless.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:59 pm 


boxing barlow

Froch v kovalev on the back of that fight would be huge! Next test for Kovalev is someone like froch who is tested at taking a shot

Posted August 17, 2013 5:59 pm 


Euro Box

Europe has the best fighters, they fight anyone, no stay at home bull.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:58 pm 


Xavier

Guess Kovalev vs Hopkins is a big fight now. Exciting new name at world level! Respect to Cleverly for taking the fight, but it was a question of whether he could deal with Sergey’s power and he couldn’t.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:57 pm 


Lenin

OUCH! Well, Ward is the best @168 imo. He would give Kovalev a run for his money. That would a true 50.50 fight imo. Ward is VERY fast and a sly guy, I think he would have a chance to win by UD, but once he gets hit, gets off balance, it would be over. Would be a great fight!

Posted August 17, 2013 5:56 pm 


ray gordon reid

RATS I HAD CLEVERLY

Posted August 17, 2013 5:56 pm 


Euro Box

Froch v Kovalev, great fight.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:56 pm 


KOrnerman

Lenin the KOrnerman is now firmly in KOvalev’s corner ha,The question is who the hell he fights next? who wants some of that, Ward?

Posted August 17, 2013 5:55 pm 


on the button

another paper champ laid out kovalev deserves his dues he came to nathan’s backyard blew him out

Posted August 17, 2013 5:54 pm 


Dino

If Ward moves up I reckon he’ll school Kovalev.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:54 pm 


Euro Box

Ward should fight Kovalev, he won’t fight him.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:53 pm 


Lenin

Gonzo, wth are you talking about? Clev was quick on his feet, but you can’t run for 12 rounds if a Russian tank is after you. Clev was quick and showed some good defense, but not good enough when the nuclear bombs hit you left and right.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:53 pm 


Lenin

The only think KOvalev needs to learn is: more body shots and uppercuts, if your opponent keeps his earmuffs shut.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:51 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Cleverly looked very ordinary, lack of movement, he should retire immediately he’s also boring to watch

Posted August 17, 2013 5:50 pm 


Lenin

KOrnerman, meet KOvalev. Hehehe.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:50 pm 


Lenin

Cleverly is nevertheless is a very good boxer, but as predicted, Kovalev is a beast that WILL land a bomb, and then you’re in deep trouble, because he will finish you off as soon as he sees the chance.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:49 pm 


gray

bit worried for clev the colour is out of his face

Posted August 17, 2013 5:49 pm 


mynameis

That PED is called the Russki climate mixed with a 1000 years of wars.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:48 pm 


junior

WOW!!!!!! Sickening power. Hats off to Kovalev. We have a superstar on our hads

Posted August 17, 2013 5:48 pm 


KOrnerman

he’s packing some horseshoes in his gloves.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:47 pm 


Lenin

Gonzo, Kovalev doesn’t look like the typical blown up roid guy. No super muscles. He’s just a beast from the East.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:46 pm 


KOrnerman

Hats off to Krusher, the better man.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:46 pm 


gray

they need to stop this clev doesnt look well

Posted August 17, 2013 5:46 pm 


Lenin

Clev down again, Kovalev wins by TKO. Clev looks like a broken man.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:45 pm 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

These russians are on some kind of new PEDs

Posted August 17, 2013 5:44 pm 


Lenin

Kovalev is KILLING Clev.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:44 pm 


Joseph Herron

sorry, brother…just responding to mynameis

Posted August 17, 2013 5:44 pm 


Lenin

Clev in danger, already down, but back on his feet. And down AGAIN.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:43 pm 


gray

clev keeps bending to his right he is going to get caught with a slashing right hand behind the ear if he isnt careful

Posted August 17, 2013 5:42 pm 


Brit Box

Joseph Herron, we know, no need to bring that up.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:42 pm 


Lenin

Clev keeps his defense shut, Kovalev couldn’t land a big one yet.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:40 pm 


Joseph Herron

Kovalev killed a man in Russia after his shaky outing against Darnell Boone. Her knocked him unconscious and the gent died three days later in the hospital.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:40 pm 


Brit Box

Kovalev doesn’t look confident, cut, dropped his gumshield.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:39 pm 


gray

kovalev will win this – cleverly can’t outbox him thats clear after one round!!

Posted August 17, 2013 5:37 pm 


ray gordon reid

GRAY CLEVERLY

Posted August 17, 2013 5:37 pm 


mynameis

Who killed a guy in the ring, Kovalev or Golovkine?

Posted August 17, 2013 5:36 pm 


Lenin

Good first round. Clev is quick on his feet and has a good defense. Kovalev should use more body shots instead of trying head shots most of the time.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:36 pm 


gray

kovalev will win this early

Posted August 17, 2013 5:36 pm 


mr gav

Well mac looked great took punches and stayed on his feet to win with a super finish. But ovil stated on his feet great fight. Smith great ko. Come on clev

Posted August 17, 2013 5:30 pm 


boxing barlow

Is that froch’s Mrs?

Posted August 17, 2013 5:28 pm 


mr gav

Oh dear it’s the ref forgot his name that stops every fight early worst ref ever

Posted August 17, 2013 5:28 pm 


boxing barlow

Here we go, cleverly on points is my prediction!

Posted August 17, 2013 5:27 pm 


Lenin

LOL, Clev’s ring entrance is unintenionally funny.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:25 pm 


junior

See you after the fight gents

Posted August 17, 2013 5:24 pm 


Lenin

And now it’s time for the big one. I still think Kovalev will land one of his wicked shots, Clev can’t avoid them for the full 12 rounds. But Clev is a good boxer, so he’s got a chance.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:23 pm 


Lenin

junior, he walked forward throwing only a few punches, but taking some good shots. If that wins your rounds, than I’ll be damned. But whatever, McKenzie gased, got knocked out, Macca won. End of story.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:18 pm 


ray gordon reid

enjoy the fight i dont HAVE HBO

Posted August 17, 2013 5:17 pm 


junior

Lenin, enzo was leading by 6 rounds!! What do you mean he didnt do much for half the fight?

Posted August 17, 2013 5:17 pm 


gray

blimey extremely brutal knockouts in a row and next up is kolakev to show them how its done!

Posted August 17, 2013 5:16 pm 


Lenin

junior, McKenzie came through with a lot of good shots, and Macca didn’t do much for about half of the fight. Then again, IT DOES NOT MATTER. If you knock out the better boxer, you’re the winner. And Macca is a hell of a brawler, I give him that. He took some big shots, which didn’t break him.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:14 pm 


junior

Classy stuff from smith

Posted August 17, 2013 5:12 pm 


gray

wow did u just see the stephen smith gary buckland fight? smith knocked buckland cold with a single uppercut – classy stuff from smith who kneeled in the corner not celebrating until buckland came too

Posted August 17, 2013 5:10 pm 


Lenin

Buckland down, Smith wins.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:09 pm 


Lenin

Yes, because shambling into the opponent’s fists is now the way to win fights? That’s what Enzo did for the first 7 rounds. Whatever. In the end he knocked McKenzie down and won. Kudos to Enzo.

Posted August 17, 2013 5:06 pm 


gray

from round 9 onward it was like watching enzo of old great combos finishing with the left hook to the body. got to give orvil his dues he took punches off enzo which would have levelled heavyweights!!! great win for enzo still one of my favourite fighters

Posted August 17, 2013 5:05 pm 


junior

No matter how hard Kovalev hits, he is NOT going to penetrate Clevs iron chin with a single shot

Posted August 17, 2013 5:03 pm 


junior

I got 20/20 lennie, and enzo had his way with ovil. Comentators and judges seem to agree with me too. Maybe you should have gone to spec savers

Posted August 17, 2013 5:00 pm 


Lenin

@rgr
No need to be sorry. Clev is the better boxer, but I seriously doubt that he can avoid all the bombs. He’ll get caught and then it’s good night.

Posted August 17, 2013 4:59 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

It totally SUCKS that we’re not getting this fight live in the U.S. Looks like it’s going to be tape delayed and replayed later tonight on HBO — before the Geale vs. Barker fight in NJ.

I’m going to stay off ESB for several hours to watch the AZ Cardinals and Denver Broncos. And because I don’t want to read the “spoiler” headlines before I get to watch the fight at about 10 pm, PST. Tape delay bites the BIG one!

Posted August 17, 2013 4:56 pm 


ray gordon reid

sorry lenin CLEVERLY

Posted August 17, 2013 4:54 pm 


Lenin

@junior
Change your glasses!

Kovalev will land a bomb. He will win by (T)KO.

Posted August 17, 2013 4:53 pm 


junior

Predictions gentlemen? I got Cleverly by any means neccesary

Posted August 17, 2013 4:50 pm 


junior

Lennin, Enzo bossed the fight from start to finish

Posted August 17, 2013 4:49 pm 


ray gordon reid

hooray enzo quit telling meto slow doen imtired of it

Posted August 17, 2013 4:46 pm 


Lenin

As long as it was a boxing fight (for the frist 7 rounds), Enzo was losing the fight. Then McKenzie gased, got slower, threw less punches, and that’s when Macca turned it into a brawl. I respect Enzo for taking LOTS of shots without losing his fighting spirit. He’s a great brawler, but when it comes to boxing McKenzie was better. In the end that didn’t matter.

Posted August 17, 2013 4:43 pm 


boxing barlow

Enzos fight was really entertaining! He’s not the fighter he once was but you cannot deny his heart and if matched right he makes for a cracking under card fighter! Would have loved to see him fight hide a few years ago.

Posted August 17, 2013 4:37 pm 


T22

Enzoon now andi think 2_0 to him. Cracking start

Posted August 17, 2013 4:00 pm 


ray gordon reid

lets go nathan

Posted August 17, 2013 3:44 pm 


T22

Thought Danni could have edged that. Craig Evans looked good just now too. All four bouts watched so far by me have been well matched. Good matchmaking.

Posted August 17, 2013 3:44 pm 



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