Just watched the fight for the first time Cleverly wasn’t anywhere near as bad as I thought for 2 and half rounds, Got caught but he didn’t look too bad until and I’m amazed nobody has mentioned this Kovalev punched him whilst on the floor. That shot that caught him clean (a cheating shot) was the one that really let him all over the shop.Posted August 21, 2013 6:49 am
BILLY MUSLIM BOY, WHAT HAPPEND .Posted August 20, 2013 2:35 pm
I would recommend Robert Garcia to Cleverly… Pavlik just quit the Garcia stable and they could use a big guy with speed, toughness, and athleticism like Cleverly. But once you get hammered 3 or 4 times like Juan Manuel Lopez the game is pretty much over for you.
So Cleverly needs to make a change NOW
Mikey Garcia is over there and he has a perfect stance. Mikey just smashed Juan Manuel Lopez — who has a lousy stance that looks a lot like Cleverly’s. I’m sure Mikey could give Nathan tons of tips on stance dynamics.Posted August 20, 2013 2:20 pm
Looks like the Kovalev bandwagon is starting to fill up now that he got an HBO slot and won by KTFO yet again. Good, there’s plenty of room and it’s overdue. I’ve been saying the last two years he’s the truth at 175.Posted August 20, 2013 12:08 pm
Never been a huge fan of Cleverly but I could never deny that the kid is talented and has natural attributes. The problem is he doesn’t have power and fights like he does, stylistically he needs to fight the opposite way to how he does. He needs to understand how to take opponents strengths away. He should have turned Kovalev and frustrated him – used tricks to tie him up when in close etc. Kovalev fights at mid-range – Cleverly’s dad even said it pre-fight yet Cleverly didn’t stay just out of range and turn him to keep him off balance and only attack at the right times, crazily he held his feet. When you lack power like Cleverly then you have to be very good defensively and very smart in tactics. Currently,he is neither of these.
I’d hate to see him call it a day coz he’s only 26 and think he could still have a good career and certainly become a World Champion again, imo he’s still better than everyone at LHW except for Hopkins, Kovalev is beatable with the right tactics, but its the kind o fight that could get turned at anytime with one punch.
With the right trainer to teach him how to fight properly, smartly and not face first, get him to undertsand how to nulify oppoents like a Ward and Hopkins then he has the right kind of attributes to have success.
Tark is right – he has stance problems, throws shots when he shouldn’t and leaves himslef wisde open, at the moment doesn’t understand the concept of movement or defence or lateral upper body movement. Ward and Hopkins understand and use movement to perfection to keep their opponents of balance and nulify whatever strenthgs they have.
You have to fight according to your attributes and they do this, if Cleverly wants to be successful at the very top level he has to do this and undertstand it otherwise he might as well call it a day now.
He held his feet against a huge puncher and played right into his hands. He absolutely, tactics wise, gifted Kovalev with the easiest fight he could have, wins where Cleverly has gone toe to toe with Bellew, Murat and others have led Cleverly to believe he can do this with anyone at LHW.
Kovalev is a massive, massive puncher – get this right, Froch or anyone else at SMW or LHW gets destroyed by his power if they stand in front of him, it’s suicide.
Kovalev is good fighter and gentleman outside the ring but he’s very beatable with the right tactics. Stand in front of him is suicide and nobody at SMW or LHW will live with him.
Cleverly now needs to enjoy his break and life then move trainers and I’d suggest America – the way he needs to fight and learn he needs to move to a Virgil Hunter (unlikely) due to Ward or Naz Richardson (possible) given Hopkins retirement and the fact that Cleverl is inlikely to fight him now. They are the two of the smartest trainers out there and they would really educate Cleverly in how to use his attributes to his benefit and to take his oppoents away.
Cleverly needs to use this defeat and turn it into a positive – if you really learn and change for the better from defeat then it can be the best thing long-term to happen to him.Posted August 20, 2013 9:40 am
“And he ALSO welcomes them to 168″ Actually, Ward isn’t doing anything right now and he won’t be for a while yet. Ward hasn’t fought since last September–nearly one year ago–and he has no immediate plans for fighting again anytime soon. So yap on him all you want. If the guy can’t fight he should be stripped of his title until he can. He’s a great boxer. He can earn it back.Posted August 20, 2013 1:45 am
Slavery was abolished 150 years ago… You need to get out more.Posted August 19, 2013 6:52 pm
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
RUSSIAN P,E,D,!!!!! AND BRUCE IS STILL A W@NKER WIV NO BALLS IN HIS SACKPosted August 19, 2013 4:31 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
ray gordon reid:
You really need to go back to High School, finally finish that GED, and learn how to read and write like an adult. The comments you make on ESB look as if they’re being written by an eight-year-old child.
Are you mentally retarded, mentally handicapped, or have a severe learning disability??? Just be honest, because I’ll go easier on you if that’s the case.
If you’re cool to me and treat me with respect, I’ll be cool to you and treat you with respect. It’s that simple. But you keep attacking me for no reason whatsoever and I’ve already warned you two different times.
I am a kind and benevolent man, so will handle you with special “needy child gloves” if you have Down Syndrome or another major mental disability.Posted August 19, 2013 4:28 pm
WAT A SHAME.Posted August 19, 2013 3:52 pm
CLEVERLY MIGHT QUITPosted August 19, 2013 3:18 pm
( Gros corps, petit cerveau…)Posted August 19, 2013 2:23 pm
squsre circle get of east side bopxingPosted August 19, 2013 2:18 pm
It’s Me, Yip Man
Proof reading is not a crime.Posted August 19, 2013 11:36 am
Kovalev looked scary…the man is TOUGH! Like Kellerman said (somewhat) “he doesn’t just plot forward and attack like most power punchers, he makes subtle defensive moves and wins rounds as he beats his opponents up”…that’s pretty much what I saw! He won every round AS HE beat Cleverly up and knocked him out.Posted August 19, 2013 11:31 am
WE SHOULD HAVE MORE BELTS IN BOXING TODAY, AFTER ALL THERES ONLY ABOUT 25 NOW.Posted August 19, 2013 10:11 am
And he ALSO welcomes them to 168Posted August 19, 2013 2:31 am
Ward welcomes ANYONE to Oakland, California.Posted August 19, 2013 2:28 am
Ward is #2 P4P SO why would he accomodate the LOWER ranked man?? IF Kovalev wants some of Ward be a man like Dawson and come to 168 and come to Oakland like you went to Wales.Posted August 19, 2013 2:27 am
Kovalev would knock Hopkins out!!! However, Hopkins would not fight him, so Kovalev did not want to wait for a title should forever. He then knocked out Cleverly. The ref carried Cleverly to his corner which was absurd and Cleverly was out then. Kovalev landed a huge body punch as well. In the fourth round, Kovalev finished Cleverly very quickly. Kovalev will beat all 175 lb. fighters, including Ward, but Ward will never go near Kovalev………..Posted August 19, 2013 2:05 am
I would have respected Kovalev more IF he took on Hopkins and tried to be the First to stop him though. Nevertheless Kovalev remains at #6 on my own P4P list. Cleverly says that I am CORRECT on that.Posted August 19, 2013 12:43 am
Kovalev was WISE in taking the LESSER opponent. Hopkins at 50 is still BETTER than Cleverly. Thats why I always try to teach AMATEURS that SKILLS is more important than PRIME.Posted August 19, 2013 12:39 am
Yep, Hopkins should have NEVER made that truly assinine statement. That came straight from the jailhouse mentality. Attacking a mental amateur like Trinidad by throwing down the Puerto Rican flag though disrespectful, took Trini out of his game and played into Hopkins hands. The remark to Calzahge was personal. You could see in his tone and eyes he MEANT that remark. Just in the same way he denigrated Donovan Mcnabb from the Philadelphia Eagles. He has a tendency to spew out racial diaherea without provocation. Doesn’t do anyone any favors with that bile. Just do the talking in the ring.Posted August 18, 2013 11:01 pm
Very valid an LOGICAL point on your part Lman. Of course it makes just good business sense. Kovalev now has better bargaining leverage when the time comes to sit diwn and negotiate with Hipjins people. Also by beating Cleverly in so dominant a fashion, the clamor for a Bout with Hopkins goes up and so does the MONEY. Its called being smart. Good move on the Krushers part. Cneers.Posted August 18, 2013 10:51 pm
Hey, Hey Hey
Let’s face it. Hopkins doesn’t want to get beaten by another ‘white boy’ and is running for dear life. Kovalev will put Hopkins away for good. Play it safe against Murat and go out a winner. But the truth is Hopkins is a dodgeball fanatic. Dodge, Dip, Duck, Dive and ……. Dodge. That’s outside the ring. Inside against Kovalev it would a 3 round beatdown of retirement proportions.Posted August 18, 2013 10:47 pm
Lman, EXCELLENT POINT. Peace soldier.Posted August 18, 2013 10:46 pm
I might also add the Krusher has a darn good inside game. Cheers.Posted August 18, 2013 10:24 pm
Gents I will give both Hopkins and the Krusher their due. However I must disagree with those wbo say that Kovalev will be taken to elemetary school by Bernard. They say this man is purely power with little to rudimentary skill. I respectfully beg to differ there. The Krusher has terrific balance and some fairly nimble footwork not mention very good shot placement. He has superb leverage wben he commits himsf to tbrowi.g punches with,bad intentions. He gets good extension on his shots and like Wladimer Klitchsko he uses distance really well in order,to measure his opponent. He gets in then out without taki.g hardly anything if consequence in return fron his opponent. Very adept at cutti.g off the ring. The only thing perhaps would be a tendency to drop his right guard at times before mounting an attack which leaves the chance of getting tagged with a counter left hook. Still his effective aggression negates a lot of opportunity for the opponent to capitilize on anything. I don’t see a one dimensional pu.cher at all here. Hopkins WILLhave something completely different from the likes of Trinidad, Tarver, Dawson etc… In front of him if and when he faces this man. CheersPosted August 18, 2013 10:21 pm
The question people should be asking is why Bhop is fighting Murat, I know he is the Mandatory for the IBF but really, couldnt he make an optional defence against some better opposition, even slightly better, no disrespect to Murat but he has already been TKO’d by Cleverly and he isnt even in the top 20 Lhw in boxrec?Posted August 18, 2013 10:19 pm
I would say winning the WBO belt had something to do with Kovalev fighting Cleverly. Lets face it, it would be hard to sell a Bhop fight so making it a unification bout would atleast make it worthwhile, plus the fact no one really knows who Kovalev is yet, so by becoming a legitimate belt holder it makes him easier to market.Posted August 18, 2013 10:12 pm
Watch folks, the pack keeps howling: “Kovalev will do this, he will do that”…
Once again, BHop is prepared to shred your hearts?
(BHop, comme a l’accoutummee, dechiquera vos coeurs a nouveau).Posted August 18, 2013 9:35 pm
I TOLD Hissydalgo that Kovalev’s SKILLS were more devastating than Mares’s and I was CORRECT. Thats why Kovalev remains at #6 on my personal P4P list based on SKILLS despite Halfbrainedalgo’s pleads to DO otherwise.Posted August 18, 2013 8:37 pm
( Un repris de justice qui ment comme il respire)Posted August 18, 2013 7:39 pm
Actually Hopkins did say he would fight him but they went in a different direction. Since he was the mandatory for Hopkins title it could of easily went to purse bid.Posted August 18, 2013 7:20 pm
I thought Murat was always mandatory to Hopkins, but they were going to make the position Kovalevs when Murat had visa problems (which are now sorted)?
In any case, Hopkins Kovalev is going to be a case of Hopkins trying to make it a non-fight for 12 rounds then cry about being robbed like vs Calzaghe, or some kind of injury like vs Dawson.
I`l love to see Hopkins laid out, but we now look like there is potentially several pieces of dynamite in the LHW division that you can throw together to make much better fights than watching Hopkins kill the spectacle.Posted August 18, 2013 7:09 pm
This is exactly the type of fight Hopkins gets up for. People saying he is too old or will get seriously hurt. In every fight where the pundits stacked the odds against him he has made them look like fools. Dont bet against him.Posted August 18, 2013 7:03 pm
Sorry for the grammatic errors gentlemen. Im typing off of my cellphone and it is a chore. Peace.Posted August 18, 2013 6:45 pm
Cont. Finally respons publicly. Hopkins has had a good run but The krusher is a whole different matter from tje mentally weak Dawsons,Pavlick and Tarvers of the division. The usual tactuvs that the old coyote employed so well against these men would not succeed in my view ahainst The Russian. He is a PHYSICALLY strong man who can effectively outmuscle his opponents on tje inside. Also he is a punishing body puncher which is what a younger is SUPPOSED to do against a older opponent. I will give Bernard his due however his STYLE be neutralized by Kovalev. Kovalev has good handspeed,something Hopkins dies have a tendency to labor against. As for Roy Jones, a good analyst but at times a bit biased in his commentary.Posted August 18, 2013 6:43 pm
Lionking on the money! Yes Kovalev did call out Hopkins and only after Kovalev was declared the mandatory challenger to Bernard did he finalPosted August 18, 2013 6:34 pm
While I like and respect Roy Jones I don’t view his predictions very highly — after all I’m sure he picked himself to win all of his recent bouts. Getting back to Hopkins, I also like B-Hop, and he’s not stupid — he knows winnable fights, and I will be shocked if he calls out Kovalev or Andre Ward.Posted August 18, 2013 6:32 pm
It’s Me, Macho Pussie
“My real handle” BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! It’s a fake name you hide behind when telling the rest of the world your way cool stories. If I was trying to be someone else, I sure would change my screen name to something a little less obvious.
You had stated that you live your life by the Bushido creed of “never giving up”, which doesn’t really exist. If you were to ever study the teachings, you would realize threatening great bodily harm, then shooting me because you have a ccw aren’t really covered in the virtues of Bushido.
I am actually interested in how a phat phingered phuk phrom Phoenix can practice such a graceful art such as Wing Chun, or any type of Gung Fu for that matter. The Chinese arts were all created by very small people, usually less that a hundred pounds, weekend/keyboard warriors excluded of course…Posted August 18, 2013 6:28 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
It’s Me, Macho Pussie:
At least I have the courage to say exactly what I want using my REAL handle. You’re such a COWARDLY pussie that you hide from me and use fake handles whenever you insult me. That makes you the biggest pussie on ESB! So F off and die, you sacred little Chango boy!
BTW… I NEVER claimed to be “Bushido warrior,” you idiot! Those people are Samurai. But I have talked about the Bushido warrior spirit — and that’s something we see in many MMA fighters and some pro boxers.Posted August 18, 2013 6:02 pm
I have to agree with some of the posts below about how kovalev would go against Hopkins. The diffence in class and experience between cleverly and Hopkins is huge, to be fair from what I saw tonight, froch, kessler, and.definatley ward probably would have handled cleverly, no disrespect to cleverly he was beaten by the stronger more experienced guy, in terms of amateur experience anyway, but as we saw from rigos dismantling of donaire that experience countsPosted August 18, 2013 5:50 pm
Smart move on Kovalevs part fighting cleverly. Now he has a title which means he has some leverage at the negotiating table come time to sit down and make a fight with Hopkins a reality. Bernard claims he doesn’t duck anyone then making this fight shouldn’t be an issue. Its the only fight that makes sense right niw for both fighters. Should it happen I will go with the Russian to prevail and wihout controversy. Cheers.Posted August 18, 2013 5:48 pm
That’s what I posted in another thread. I thought he was the mandatory but chose Cleverly insteadPosted August 18, 2013 5:38 pm
It’s Me, Macho Pussie
“have I ever told you about my background and lineage in Wing Chun?”
So now that Kovalev has a title, let’s see if Hopkins dares to fight him. Think about it, Hopkins can fight Kovalev whether or not he wins his next fight, and since Sergei has the WBO title, Bernard ought to be more interested than ever in fighting Sergei. So the wait now begins. Will Hopkins fight Sergei or not. Was Hopkin’s declaration that he’d fight Sergei real or a ruse? Time will tell, and Hopkins either fights Sergei at some point, or it was all bullsh (it’s a contraction of bull and sh) on Hopkins part. Since I believe that Sergei knock Hopkins cold (if they ever fight), I’m very interested in seeing this fight made (it’ll be nice seeing Sergei’s power destroy Bernards holding, wrestling, stalling, fight tactics), but I’m not holding my breath as I believe that Bernard well knows that he receive not only the beating of his life, but that he will suffer the first knock out of his career too.Posted August 18, 2013 5:22 pm
10 years, maybe 5-6 years ago, Hopkins vs Kovalev would have been a competitive fight. But a near-50 year old Hopkins would be hanging on for dear life while taking an awful beating. Like Andre Ward, Hopkins at this juncture will want no part of him. Speaking of Andre Ward, I think we’ve found his next opponent — Sergey Kovalev @ 175!Posted August 18, 2013 4:40 pm
I will say this Peej, Hopkins vs Kozalev WOULD be interesting. Then again will Hopkins still be fighting at that point? Who knows.Posted August 18, 2013 4:22 pm
Well if he keeps fighting and finishing off guys or beating them down like that then he is definitely a nice fresh of air and I definitely enjoyed watching him. I would like to see him against Stevenson since they can both punch. People say he has boxing skills but he hasnt really shown that. He has shown power and toughness though. I would also still like to see him against Hopkins just to see if he can do those things to him like he has done to other folks. Heck if he was he might actually be able to retire Hopkins. Something apparently nobody can do.Posted August 18, 2013 4:16 pm
Peej how are you soldier. I think Hopkins should steer clear of the Krusher. The man is PHYSICALLY STRONG. Not just punching wise. Kozalev has real manstrength to out muscle opponents in the clinches. Hopkins was successful with Trinidad because he eas STRONGER than Felix who was really a junior middleweight. Most of the opponents Hopkins faced didn’t have the moxy or physicality to push HIM around. This fellow in my view would be Hokins Waterloo. He is a well rou.ded fighter with deceptive agility and handspeed. With stamina to burn. He wouldn’t get frustrated like Dawson and others have. This is a whole different kind of equation here. I appreciate your viewpoint and can see why you feel this could happen. Hopkins has been successful in the past with this. Howeber as I said this man definitely isnt like his other opponents. Peace and strength soldier.Posted August 18, 2013 3:58 pm
Kovalev is a bad man. When he destroyed Campillo you knew he was for real. Now he has destroyed another top guy in the division. I am not sure anyone at 175 can beat this guy right now. Match him up with anyone right now and we will get a great fight. John Jacskon is going to be a premier name in the training game now. He was always a great trainer but you need that one guy to break your name. He has it now.Posted August 18, 2013 3:55 pm
YOU CAN RUN, BUT YOU CANT HIDE. JOE LOUIS.Posted August 18, 2013 3:51 pm
Very true statement Tark. Corners do have a tendency to lose all rationale and expect a hail mary shot to sabe the day for a very badly mentally and physically beaten figjter. There was nothing that was going to change in the fourth round except further damage. Kovalev already put one fighter away unfortunately for good and Im sure the ref. had this in the back of his head.Posted August 18, 2013 3:44 pm
Ivanov…., “the referee symbolically carried Nathan Cleverly to his corner.”
That is not something allowed for by the rules.. The referee isn’t allowed to give assistance to either combatant unless he stops the fight.. I would not have allowed Nathan to come out for the 4th, but corners get stupid and think they can pull off a miracle..
Better for the trainer to stop the fight and fix the numerous stance and execution problems Cleverly has, over a period of months or years, than to expect a miraculous turn around in the next round. Cleverly has already been badly damaged by the most dangerous boxer in the division … so you don’t roll the dice when you have no chance.Posted August 18, 2013 3:21 pm
I posted in an another thread, wasn’t Kovalev the mandatory for Hopkins? But he chose to fight Cleverly. Or was that someone else? I know someone was the mandatory for Hopkins but went in another direction and I thought it was this dude. I would actually favor Hopkins over him because of the way he can smother fighters and take there advantage away from them. Plus them old school dirty tactics could get to him.Posted August 18, 2013 2:56 pm
Too much of this is centred on Kovalev’s strengths rather than Cleverly’s weaknesses. I have said it since the pathetic effort that Cleverly gave against Karpency; Cleverly has not continued to improve and is not world class. Another Frank Warren hype job that got totally demolished in his first fight against a world-class opponent. As good as Kovalev is, I’d pick any of the top guys at LH to beat Cleverly as easily, although admittedly not so concussively. Hopkins, Cloud, Dawson, Pascal would all hand Cleverly a decidedly one-sided beating and so would Froch, Kessler and Ward if they ever moved up. He is just too one dimensional and severely lacking in any sort of power at all.
Fighting losers like Karpency and Hawke are not ever going to prepare anyone for truly world-class opposition. Maybe a new trainer who will teach him to plant his feet is a positive move but Cleverly in my view will always be Domestic/European level.Posted August 18, 2013 2:54 pm
Ive been aware of these Euro fighters for some time, my favorite being Kostyzu. I.knew it would only be a matter of time before these warriors would make their mark here in the states. They were always tough and durable. Now the skill level is catching up to all they’re other attributes. Mark my words, you will see a boatload of quality fights being made now because these guys are fearless. You are also correvt. A lot of people have no idea what went on in the eastern bloc years ago and why these fighters are as formidable as they are.Posted August 18, 2013 2:51 pm
Lionking, whats shaking champ. No you haven’t. I believe you did mention however something in regards to it sometime ago. Hey, have you noticed something curious? NO ONE is speaking about Bernard Hopkins facing the KRUSHER Kolavev. Wonder why?Posted August 18, 2013 2:43 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
spartacus 65: Hey what’s up, campeon? We had some very exciting fights this weekend and I agree with you regarding the Eastern Euro boxers. There are a lot of people from the West who don’t really know what happened in many of those countries after the fall of the Soviet Union. These guys are as HUNGRY as wolves due to coming from desperate circumstances.
I know that you’re a Jeet Kune Do practitioner, but have I ever told you about my background and lineage in Wing Chun?Posted August 18, 2013 1:58 pm
Bruce goodmorning champ. That basically sums it up my friend. The Rock didn’t believe in THE DANCE. Why should you when you have the GUTS AND THE FIREPOWER to call it an early evening. Oxing NEEDS tjese type of fighters. As I said before these European,fighters are HUNGRY and twitter accounts and teasing fight fans with low risk,high reward fights? Leave it to the majority of these American fighters who seem to habe loat the objective of why they are in the sport. Cheers sir. Hidalgo,Junio,Lionking,Peej, Tark, Joseph Heron,etc… Shout out to you soldiers. Peace and strengthPosted August 18, 2013 11:47 am
Nathan Cleverly=Not as good as he thinks he is.Back to the drawing board me old china.Posted August 18, 2013 11:07 am
Not to insult Nathan Cleverly, but rather to put the fight into proper perspective, I’ll use a quote my brother sent me after viewing the fight, “Like I said, it was as if it was man vs boy.” And I think that sums it up nicely.Posted August 18, 2013 10:28 am
Really disappointed in clev thought he would doso much more or at least make it tough for Sergey . But interesting to see what happens nextPosted August 18, 2013 10:18 am
congrats to clev for finally stepping up. the higher u go up the harder the fall.Posted August 18, 2013 9:28 am
WHY WALTZ A GUY AROUND FOR 15 ROUNDS WHEN YOU CAN KNOCK HIM OUT IN 1 ROCKY MARCIANO.Posted August 18, 2013 8:52 am
Some real big punchers around now Lucas matthes,ggg,Stevenson, and wilder. Kovalev looked scary tonight this was a big win made easy he will be avoided but he is very marketable looking forward to see more of him. Also hope clev can come back from this I just think nothing was going to stop koloav tonight nothingPosted August 18, 2013 8:02 am
the fight i want to see would pay to see the fight that must be made “krusher” vs “superman”Posted August 18, 2013 7:55 am
Wouldnt pay i meantPosted August 18, 2013 7:39 am
He is by far not a pay per view fighter. Hes HBO material, i would pay to see him fight.Posted August 18, 2013 7:39 am