I do not think Pulev looks like Oscar Bonavena at all. Pulev looks like Pulev. Pulev is unbeaten and is going to take the old guy TT.Posted August 23, 2013 1:47 am
kubrat does not seem to get clean shots with his right. his left hurts.Posted August 22, 2013 2:29 pm
I posted on another article that Kubrat looks like Bonavena. Tark didn’t think so, so it’s kind of funny you mention it too.
As far as Chaggy goes, they do resemble each other a bit, some people call Kubrat Chaggy’s lil’ brother.Posted August 21, 2013 10:12 am
Finns and Lapps have those flatish faces and those cheekbones, not guys like Helenius, but then hes an ethnic Swede.Posted August 21, 2013 5:12 am
kubrаt hаvе 300 аmаtеur fights аlso dаngеr right hаng аnd
Pratt the Librarian
………………….KUBRAT the BARBARIAN……………….Posted August 20, 2013 11:05 pm
Asiatic features are not all common among the Finnic and Ugaric people.
I never said that Albanians, Latvians, Finns, Lithuanians, Estonians, Moldovans, Georgians, Azeris, Chechens, Ossetians, Abkhaz and Armenians are Slavs. You cannot say that Kosovans are not Slavs because Kosovo was settled by Slavs and is former Yugoslavia. You can say that Albanians in Kosovo are not Slavs.
Romania and Hungary may not be officially categorized as “Slavic nations,” but they are full of people with Slavic ethnicity. Romanians did not not start out as Slavs, but most modern day Romanians are significantly or mostly Slavic by ethnicity. This is due to many hundreds, if not thousands, of years of intermarrying and interbreeding with Slavs. The exact same can be said of Hungarians, who are surrounded by “Slavic nations” on all sides.
Let’s not try to make this issue more complex that it really is. The vast majority of people in the former Soviet “Eastern Bloc” nations are clearly White Europeans. Bottom line. If we keep on getting ridiculously carried away with this discussion, the next thing you’ll be say is that the Klitschkos, Kovalev and Vladimir Putin are part Asian and have Asiatic features.
DNA studies always show small traces of connection between different races, ethnicities, tribes. But that is simply evidence of human evolution. Those small percentages of commonality are not nearly enough to cloud and confuse the very apparent differences between the major 4-5 races of the world.Posted August 20, 2013 8:38 pm
Who are the ” Siberians ” ? And who are the ” Hungarian ” Slavs and
The recent work of Boris Abramovich Malyarchuk suggests that there was a general mixing of Pre-Slavic/Pre Indo-European inhabitants of Eastern Europe and Russia with peoples of Central Asia, Siberia, Finno-Ugarics and the Altaic Regions, and the later Slavs came along and colonised those areas between 200 AD and 1000 AD, subsuming these peoples into their culture and absorbing them. The DNA links are still there, but minimal in many areas, however these admixtures would explain the rather asiatic features of some slavs; Those featues being more common among Finnic, Ugaric, Siberian, Altaic and Mongoloid peoples, but largely uncommon in Indo-Europeans and Semites.
“Most of the Slavs will look a little Asian… because Slavs mixed with Huns, Siberians, Mongols and Turks”
Sorry, but that’s NOT even close to being an accurate statement. Modern DNA studies show that the vast majority of European Slavs have no or very little genetic connection with the Huns, Siberians, Mongols and Turks.
Western Slavs (Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, Wends and Sorbs) certainly don’t look Asian. Eastern Slavs (Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians) don’t look Asian either — unless you go to FAR SE/East side of Russia and study some ancient, trans-migrational tribes who are now a small minority of the total Russian population.
Southern Slavs (Bosnians, Croats, Serbs, Slovenes, Macedonians, Montenegrins) don’t look Asian either. And neither do the Slavs of Hungary and Romania, nor the peoples from the closely-related “Baltic” states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
Some Southeastern Slavs look more Mediterranean, like the Greeks and Western Turks, but that’s still quite different that looking “Asian” (i.e., Mongoloid). If you look at a world map, Central Asia is pretty far from Bulgaria.
Just because some Slavic people may have slightly more almond-shaped eyes compared to Western Euros, it does not mean that they’re part Asian by race. There are many variations in facial features and skin/hair color throughout the Caucasian race. And the peoples of Turkey, Armenia, most of the NW Middle East and North Africa are also categorized as Caucasian by race — not “Asian.”
Pulev looks like a typical Bulgarian Slav and doesn’t appear to be Asian (i.e., Mongoloid) at all. However he does have slightly almond-shaped eyes, that look a lot more “slanted” when he smiles for the cameras.
These types of discussions become largely rhetorical and useless anyway, because if we go back far enough in history, all the the tribes and races of the world are interrelated at some point as a result of human evolution and trans-continental migration patterns.Posted August 20, 2013 3:50 pm
I was very impressed when I saw Pulevvs Ustinov. Pulev wins this one. Together with Haye best HW after Wlad todayPosted August 20, 2013 3:50 pm
As a Bulgarian I can comment 2 things.
For the Bulgarian race discussion St.s is correct. Also, our guy wins easily this one :)Posted August 20, 2013 3:25 pm
The name Bulgaria comes from the Bulgar tribe tho, and that tribe were TurksPosted August 20, 2013 3:10 pm
Read again…carefully what I wrote bellow. It might answer your….so called theory. No point in arguing with person who uses wiki as source …. bear in mind that your official theories say bulgarians where closely to 90% slavs and bulgars were assimilated from the “slav ocean”(cheap theory during communist times …probably will understand why if you use proper historical books and not wiki) .However a recent genetic investigation concluded that there were just 20 % slavs and % 80 bulgars(protobulgars) excluding of course minorities like gypsies. So as I said your theory does not hold…read more and you will find why. Not going to argue any more……
P.S. STOP USING WIKI (I can put miself there a “fact” that crocodiles came from the sun and that 2+2=8 …if you know how the system operates….and what goes for history where you have governemnt funding to try and make their country look nice…..e.g. Israel)
Just one more thing while we are here: Pulev will win ….and win good ;)Posted August 20, 2013 2:43 pm
Travelled all over those places and Not a lot of difference in looks between people of South East Europe, The Mid East, The Caucasus and Iberia/Spain/Portugal nor parts of North Africa. People from Syria and the north of Iraq dont look much different to Greeks or Armenians, spcially the Non Arab Christians ethnic groups like Syriacs, Assyrians, Maronites, Melkites, Arameans, tho the Arab Muslims are often a little darker, specially further south.Posted August 20, 2013 1:56 pm
Most of the Slavs will look a little Asian because the Slavs are a mix of Nordic people and the ancient Siberian type folks who inhabited the Russian Steppe before the Aryan expansions. Then of course after that youve got the Huns and Bulgars etc who moved in around 5th to 9th centuries, then the Mongols in 12th century, followed by Turks. Notice you dont see those cheekbones and eyes in the Armenians, Ossetians, Chechens and Georgians and in Romanians, Greeks, Albanians and Lithuanians, nor do you get those fetures south of Turkey in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon etc, because theyre not Slavs and didnt mix with Huns, Siberians, Mongols and TurksPosted August 20, 2013 1:50 pm
hey everyone, I didn’t intend to be a troll or start some discussion on race, although, this discussion has been a lot more civil than just about all others here on ESB that I have seen. So congratulations for that fellow posters!
Certainly Bulgaria is at a crossroads of different peoples, the Mongol hordes came all through there, the ottoman turks of course.
Pulev definitely looks asian to me and actually after looking at more pictures he looks middle eastern as well. It’s funny how people try to claim fighters for their race when they do well, like GGG who also looks very asian in his features.Posted August 20, 2013 1:11 pm
St.s – What sources would you like then? Try any Linguistics Department at any University, they will tell you what language the original Bulgar tribes spoke. And I DID say that they intermixed with Slavs and other Indo-European speakers, but that doesnt change what language or ethnicity the ACTUAL Bulgar tribe spoke/were. Most Bulgarians are descended of a mix of Slavs, Turkic Bulgars and Thracian Indo-Eurpeans, that is the concensus among most ethnologists, geneticists and ethno-linguists.Posted August 20, 2013 1:08 pm
@Alonzo, good to speak to you too, hope you survive the female kickboxer lolPosted August 20, 2013 12:59 pm
I’m womаn аnd kick boxеr not somе troll…
Аnd dont tаlk аbout
Dude!! I, er, I mean Ma’am.
I think I see why your upset. A few posts down I was responding to a poster named “Thompson by KO” and you musta thought I literally mean’t thompson by ko. I don’t want to see Klit Thompson three so I’m in the same camp as you.
I do love a high spirited woman!Posted August 20, 2013 12:01 pm
Ok I had enough of your incompetent comments about the origin of Bulgars. Bulgars ARE NOT from turkic decent ….get this in your head for once ! You do not have a idea what you are talking about. Stop using wikipedia as source ….there is a good reason why universities do not allow wiki to be quoted as source ….. IT IS NOT RELIABLE !!! About the turkic …origin is a theme speculated a lot ….one of the main tribes assimilated(!) turkic people …. but others which migrated (not all of them) and moved to what is now known as Bulgaria …have so much phisical similarities with turkic people as chinese and norwegian have in common !!! It is traced that the origin of bulgars is from borderline of Iran and Afghanistan… There are also theories that suggest that Thracian’s were in fact bulgars but that is not proven and it is speculative subject. !!!Posted August 20, 2013 11:57 am
I’m womаn аnd kick boxеr not somе troll…
Аnd dont tаlk аbout
Yeah I know that name bothered me for a while too.Posted August 20, 2013 11:50 am
Seems like I seen a documentary on the Tocharians and if I recall they speculated that they may have been related to Alexander the Great’s converse conquest of Asia. Or it may have been some peoples in Afghanistan–I don’t recall.Posted August 20, 2013 11:49 am
Good point Ruffknight, then there is Konstance Tzu (I’m sure I butchered his name) I always thought he was central Asian but I think he had a grandparent that was Korean. Opps, I just went back and read your earlier post looks like you spelled his name right.Posted August 20, 2013 11:44 am
That’s cool, Assyrian. Blessings to you.
Then again Miss Bulgaria’s descent doesn’t have to go that far back, it could be recent. I remember one fine looking Soviet gymnast who was part Russian and part North Korean…Nellie Kim.Posted August 20, 2013 11:37 am
Go f..k Yoursеlf..! Аnd
What are you talking about you feisty lil’ spitfire? I haven’
Is that the same as Ural-Altaic? Yeah well the Slavs are related to the Scandinavians who were later blended with the Mongols who decided to stick around for a long while.Posted August 20, 2013 11:22 am
@Ruff Knight – There used to be a theory that the Turkic languages were related to Hungarian, but thats not usually accepted by linguists nowadays. Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian and Mari form a distinct group called Finno-Uralian, whereas Turkish, Uzbek, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, Turkmeni and Tajik form the Turkic Language Group. Both groups however are Non Indo-European/Non-Aryan, but the Turkish, unlike the other Turkic peoples have very little Turkic DNA left. Slavs as well, are a mix of Aryan peoples and Siberian types, hence the high and pronounced wide cheekbones and eye shape you see among Slavs, which are Asiatic, and not a feature of Indo-European peoples, or indeed Semites.Posted August 20, 2013 11:11 am
Linguistically the Turks are related to the Hungarians and the Finns. There has also been found to be some similarities with some American Indian languages and Hungarian. The Bulgarian language is of course a Slavic branch and Macedonian is a dialect of Bulgarian. I’ve often thought it would be better for Macedonia and the Bulgarians to unify and discard it’s Albanians to Albania. By the way look at Kostya Tszyu, Orzubek Nazrov ET AL, a mix of Asian.Posted August 20, 2013 11:03 am
Kubrat taking this fight from Tony. Kubrat can be ambidextrous and Tony only a southpaw.Posted August 20, 2013 11:02 am
Conversely, you had white, blond people in ancient China, the Tocharians lived all over central asia and western China, and the mummified bodies showed them to be caucasians with blonde and red hair…Its a weird world!Posted August 20, 2013 10:43 am
@Alonzo, yup, w still speak Aramaic and are Christians…which means we get a rough time in Persia/Iran, Turkey and Iraq. The Bulgar tribe predate the Mongols though, but they were from Central Asia and a Turkic people.Posted August 20, 2013 10:41 am
It should be a routine win for Pulev. Thompson is to be respected but Pulev is better.Posted August 20, 2013 10:28 am
Go f..k Yoursеlf..! Аnd
A few years back Miss Bulgaria in the Miss Universe contest was 100% Bulgarian and she looked like she grew up in Mainland China. A lot of that DNA is from invading Mongols (e.g. Gengis, Kubla, Tamerlane, et.al.)
So Assyrian, you really are Assyrian? That’s cool. I’ve heard that Assyrians are well respected in Persia.Posted August 20, 2013 10:04 am
Thompson by stoppage is right. A lot of Bulgers have a heavy dose of Asian DNA due to the mongol horde invasion. When farmboxer touts Klubratt as the next great white champ he’s must have the Bulger tribe confused with Whitey Bulger (appropriate first name). It’s sort of like calling Tommy Morrison a GWH back in the day when he is half Native American.Posted August 20, 2013 10:00 am
Pulеv will Тk0 Тonу, likе Vitаli bеаt/Тko Sаndеrs. Тko 8-10 round but will bе vеrу brutаl аnd scаrу!
I’ wаtch pulеv trаning livе todау thе mаn is
Pulev is not amazingly fast, and he wears people down, he doesnt have the 1 punch power that the green Price put Thompson down with, so I cant see Pulev blowing Thompson away. Pulev is more seasoned than Price though, and has far better stamina. This will be a hard fight, harder than some think, but Pulev will probably wear Thompson down late.Posted August 20, 2013 9:18 am
It seems that Pulev is an overwhelming favorite against Tony . No one seems to
Hector and Oleg – No its not! Its correct – ””The Bulgars (also Bolgars, Bulghars, Proto-Bulgarians, Huno-Bulgars) were a semi-nomadic people who flourished in the Pontic Steppe and the Volga basin in the 7th century. Ethnically, the Bulgars are thought to have been Oghur Turkic, with Scytho-Sarmatian and Sarmatian-Alan elements. There is a discussion whether these Sarmatian elements in the cultural characteristics of the Proto-Bulgars are based on Sarmatized Turks or Turkicized Sarmatians.  They had also enveloped other ethnic groups by their migration westwards across the Eurasian steppe.['''''
''''In population genetics the question has been debated whether the modern Turkish population is significantly related to other Turkic peoples, or whether they are rather derived from indigenous populations of Anatolia which were culturally assimilated during the Middle Ages. The contribution of the Central Asian genetics to the modern Turkish people has been debated and become the subject of several studies. As a result, several studies have concluded that the historical (pre-Islamic) and indigenous Anatolian groups are the primary source of the present-day Turkish population, in addition to in addition to neighboring peoples, such as Balkan peoples””Posted August 20, 2013 9:00 am
Junior – yup, we are the indigenous people of Iraq, before Arabs, Kurds, Muslims arrivedPosted August 20, 2013 8:55 am
Pulev is pretty good, though a tad over-rated it seems, and he will probably win this, though this is a decent match-up against TT. I don’t think Pulev is the man to beat Wladimir in the near future either.Posted August 20, 2013 8:33 am
Kubrаt is gipsi likе FurуPosted August 20, 2013 8:28 am
PULEV!Posted August 20, 2013 6:33 am
clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. The information you provide is mostly wrong.Posted August 20, 2013 6:11 am
The original Bulgars were a Turkic people, so like the Turks, would have originated in Central Asia. However, both Bulgarians and Turks are now little more than 10 % Turkic in terms of DNA.
The Turks arrived in the 10th Century AD and mixed with the long established Indo-Europeans (EG Hittites, Luwians, Greeks, Phrygians, Lydians, Armenians, Cimmerians), Semites (Assyrians, Arameans, Phonecians) and Caucasic Anatolians (Hattians, Hurrians, Urartians, Circassians) of Asia Minor. The Bulgars DNA was pretty much bred out by the Illyrian and Slavic peoples they encountered in the BalkansPosted August 20, 2013 2:31 am
The two posts on this board was not made by Farmboxer. somebody used by name and posted something I would not post, and that goes for all the years I’ve been here, which was long before 2004. I was here from the very inception. I hope the administration can get the IP address for the imposter ASAP. Nobody likes someone else using their name to post. There is only one Farmboxer and he has been here for many years…………..Again, I ask the administration to check the IP address of the two posts above, they were not made by me…………….Posted August 20, 2013 12:48 am
I like the way Pulev chopped down Dimitrenko and Ustinov but he is not known for his power. He has only had 9KOs. I think this will be a 12 rounder.Posted August 19, 2013 11:53 pm
Heavy Weight Division is NOT dead or weak. There a some very good fights coming up for the fans. Kubrat/Thompson……….Arreola/Mitchel………..
” a ton of central asian blood as seen in his features.” – Kubrat is pure Bulgarian. The Bulgarian tribes came in Europe 14-15 centuries ago. Its kind of questionable if he is keeping that “asian blood” :DPosted August 19, 2013 7:03 pm
TestPosted August 19, 2013 7:00 pm
White Power? are u a moron? Kubrat obviously has a ton of central asian blood as seen in his features.Posted August 19, 2013 6:45 pm
Plus Pulev has a jaw of iron, so Old Tony is gonna get KTFO with this tough Bulgarian. Sorry Tony, this boy gonna rough you up some.Posted August 19, 2013 6:11 pm
Pulev is ambidextrous, he can fight left handed or right handed, and he is the one to confuse old Tony, with the lefty righty business.Posted August 19, 2013 6:08 pm
Tony is not getting passed the tough Kubrat Pulev. Period. Too tough, too hungry, and too young. At 32 he is young compared to Tony the 41 old Thompson. Pulev to face Wlad not Thompson.Posted August 19, 2013 6:05 pm
IM waiting for wald potemkinPosted August 19, 2013 5:30 pm
“Klitschko-Thompson III…… The fact that this is even a remote possibility goes to show how far the HW division has fallen.”
That makes lots of sense [/sarcasm]
Pulev most likely takes this.Posted August 19, 2013 5:28 pm
Haye is positioning himself… Just in case Vitali ever fights Stiverne… It’s going to be hard for VK to fight Stiverne and say.., “No Haye fight.”
Vitali should retire but that title is worth millions every fight … and millions in endorsement money even if you don’t fight… It’s hard to say, “I’m retired” with those checks rolling in.
George Foreman.., “I’m not retired. I’m fighting Crawford Grimsley next.”Posted August 19, 2013 4:13 pm
Old School Rules
Klitschko-Thompson III…… The fact that this is even a remote possibility goes to show how far the HW division has fallen. For the sake of boxing I hope Pulev destroys him.Posted August 19, 2013 4:01 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Haye’s smart enough to go after the biggest purses in the game, not waste his last few fights on someone who is not all that well known at this point. Great businessman, not a bad fighter either…Posted August 19, 2013 3:53 pm
Уеаh pulеv likе ТАRK, sауs hаs а monstеr Jаb!
Вut thаt is verу rаrе bеcаusе , this is thе knocking Jаb аnd pulеv hаs vеrу dаngеr right hаnd-rеmеmbеr thаt onе.Posted August 19, 2013 2:07 pm
I agree that the key could be if Tony Thompson can last the 12 rounds if needed. He didnt need to worry about this for a whilePosted August 19, 2013 1:47 pm
Who has pulev beat? Well more like who has ducked pulev its not his fault if these so called contenders are avioding him, and I dont think he is talking lije a world beater only a guy willing to fight anyone in front of him to get his title shot. Thomson is perfect challanger for him, may the best man winPosted August 19, 2013 1:28 pm
ray gordon reid
PULEVPosted August 19, 2013 1:18 pm
I hear a lot of talk about this guy but dimentrenko, Ustinov and sprott are the best names on his résume. Not exactly proven against top guys, Thompson is his best test yet.Posted August 19, 2013 12:56 pm
flash knock down
This is the only time I hope the white guy wins.Posted August 19, 2013 12:54 pm
What Neil (Pomy) wrote.Posted August 19, 2013 12:23 pm
Who has this guy defeated and why does he talk like a world beater?Posted August 19, 2013 12:11 pm
Pulev has had a pretty easy run at the title himself so he needs to look at the mirror before criticizing other more accomplished fighters.Posted August 19, 2013 12:10 pm
I want Klubratt to win for obvious reasons (who wants to see thompson beat up again by a Klit?), but I think Thompson is gonna give him some problems–perhaps even beat him.Posted August 19, 2013 12:07 pm
Pulev by stoppage late onPosted August 19, 2013 11:53 am
I don’t think it will end in a KO. They will both be cautious and respect each others skill. This will be a very technical fight. I think the younger man will get the decision. Great matchup.Posted August 19, 2013 11:52 am
2 fighters willing to fight anyone for a shot at the world title taking.no short cuts. Winner should fight waldimir next after ap. Even thoughi am a brit the fight between fury and haye is not an elimination for the title they have both avoided pulev along with adamek. Lookingfforward to fight but can see pulev with arm raisedPosted August 19, 2013 11:32 am