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Red Ryan

Monzon was great, but he wasn’t on Leonard’s level in my opinion….he never fought anyone like Leonard. I dont think Monzon could win a boxing match with him. Overrated.

Posted September 3, 2013 2:17 am 


Red Ryan

@De Lima

CM??….Carlos Monzón??

Posted September 2, 2013 6:06 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Thank you Brother Ernie and Brother Anonymous. I must say one of the things which prevents me from being an even greater poster, if that’s even possible, is the ridiculous amount of typos I make, although to be fair to myself posting on my android certainly doesn’t help with that. That’s the same android that PEEJ is partially to blame for me breaking the screen of. It does this really annoying thing a lot of the time when I’m typing out my posts. When you make a mistake and try to delete it it starts deleting earlier sections of my post I wrote. If anybody knows why that is I’d be extremely grateful.

Anyway, that post regarding vultures going down on Missy Elliot should have read like this.

‘I think Mrs Elliot is a tad naive there, or a bit of a masochist. She’s obviously not a vulture enthusiast otherwise she’d know that many species of vulture have very sharp and powerful beaks. I can assure you the last thing that any member of the fairer sex wants is one of them noshing away their chochas like a it was a rotting hyena carcass’

Posted September 2, 2013 2:03 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Another fine example why Brother Gonzo is at Tier One…

Posted September 2, 2013 12:26 pm 


De Lima I.

(Maybe “admire” is not quite the right word. Anyway, I’m sure you know what I mean.)

Posted September 2, 2013 6:55 am 


De Lima I.

Old Yank — It would seem that the bad boy image works — not just in boxing sport.

Yes, it was smart, he wouldn’t be as successful if he were just a “nice guy”.
FMJ’s extremely successful now. He’s an exceptional talent and very good at promoting himself. Right place, right time — everything is just perfect.
I admire him as a boxer, but certainly not as a human being, I can’t stand a man that can’t control his anger or jealousy and hits a woman.
Unfortunately, some women seem to be attracted to bad boys.

As for CM — In your opinion, what made him so good in the ring?

Posted September 2, 2013 6:50 am 


Anonymous

agreed joseph!!!! Plus TARK and Ernie!!! lol

Posted September 1, 2013 6:14 pm 


Simon

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can assure you the last thing any member of the fairer sex is one of them noshing away their cocha like a it was a rotting hyena carcass.

Posted September 1, 2013 4:12 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Thank you Brother Joseph.. I’m sure it will come as no surprise to you when I inform you that I am in full agreement with your kind words about me.

Posted September 1, 2013 8:45 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Brother Ernie.. I think Mrs Elliot is a tad naive there, or a bit of a masochist. She’s obviously not a vulture enthusiast otherwise she’d know that many species of vulture have very sharp and powerful beaks. I can assure you the last thing any member of the fairer sex is one of them noshing away their cocha like a it was a rotting hyena carcass. lol

Posted September 1, 2013 8:43 am 


Simon

old yank…..eh????????

Posted August 31, 2013 3:39 pm 


Joseph Herron

Vivic’s vernacular, Gonzo’s gags, and old Yank’s yarns are part of what makes ESB the great boxing site going.

Posted August 31, 2013 2:12 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Brother Gonzo, reminds me of the great lyrics from the one and only Miss Missy Elliot:

“Phone before you come, I need to shave my chocha

Go downtown and eat it like a vulture”

Posted August 31, 2013 1:43 pm 


Old Yank

De Lima I, respect and attraction can be of polar opposite realms for even though we don’t respect the likes of Monzon, the average boxing fan is probably attracted to his bad boy image. Floyd definitely has been smart in tapping into the thug mentality of many a rough boy. Do I respect him for it? No but I would be liar if I told you that it didn’t ignite some zeal of my own youth.

Posted August 31, 2013 1:38 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

No JWales, it’s far more literal than that. It’s just an ode to my ability to withstand physical and mental pain that’s all.

You still haven’t apologized for insulting me by the way.

And I’m still awaiting that list of Caribbean musicians better than the delightful Mrs Estefan too.

Posted August 31, 2013 1:27 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Beavers are always in style in Gonzo’s world Brother Ernie.

Posted August 31, 2013 1:23 pm 


WTF

Such as Lewis?? The corrupt doctor and ref were on Lennox’s payroll.

Posted August 31, 2013 11:49 am 


De Lima I.

It goes without saying that I cannot respect foulers and cheaters.

Posted August 31, 2013 10:26 am 


De Lima I.

Simon — don’t judge me superficially — because you don’t even know me personally.

You’ve written me nasty messages from an external email to my Facebook account — it’s just cowardly to attack someone this way.
If you want to personally attack me, then please don’t’ hide behind anonymity.
What is your problem anyway? I mean we had messy debates about FMJ
and you got banned, but it’s been almost half a year ago now! Seriously, get over it.

As for “you’re so pale, how comes?” Travel the world and learn something boy!

Posted August 31, 2013 7:51 am 


De Lima I.

Old Yank — never mind.
BTW I appreciate your comments.

Posted August 31, 2013 7:44 am 


JWales

Pretty deep…does “my resistance to pan” actually refer to the goat man / Satan ?

Posted August 30, 2013 11:14 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Interesting read there Brother Gonzo, I didn’t realize beavers were in style once again, but glad they are, yummy…

Posted August 30, 2013 10:41 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

and – ”of”

Posted August 30, 2013 10:30 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

- that

Posted August 30, 2013 10:30 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I implore you all to heed this piece of advice of that for your own sake.

“Next time I will go somewhere else when I fancy a swim. I will be a bit more careful as I don’t think I would even let my dog swim in the same lake as the beavers.”

Posted August 30, 2013 10:30 pm 


JWales

Old yank quit ducking the challenge and put up your best Gloria Estefan so I can show you real Caribbean music that was NOT brought to the U.S as you insist.

And actually African’s invented Gospel too

Posted August 30, 2013 9:53 pm 


Old Yank

de Lima I. — Sorry, I did not intend to be rude and not answer your question. Yes, Monzon is one of my favorite fighters of all time. I respect what he did in the ring with every ounce of respect I have for Hitler’s political abilities. Both were masters at their craft. But again, once we jump the meridian, both were evil bastards worthy of not an ounce of respect as human beings.

Posted August 30, 2013 7:48 pm 


Old Yank

Simon — You’ve got about 400 more sets of lyrics (combined in Spanish and English) to list for Miami Sound Machine and Gloria Estefan. So you go boy! List the lyrics to Yellow Submarine and sell them as representing The Beatles too. You might find a fool or two to buy into it! But you’d not do that — only a FOOL would do that kind of thing, RIGHT!??

Posted August 30, 2013 7:39 pm 


Simon

ROFL

You’re as cold as ice
You’re willing to sacrifice our love
You never take advice
Someday, you’ll pay the price, I know

I’ve seen it before
It happens all the time
You’re closing the door
You leave the world behind

You’re digging for gold
Yet throwing away
A fortune in feelings
But someday you’ll pay

You’re as cold as ice
You’re willing to sacrifice our love
You want paradise
But someday, you’ll pay the price, I know

I’ve seen it before
It happens all the time
You’re closing the door
You leave the world behind

You’re digging for gold
Yet throwing away
A fortune in feelings
But someday you’ll pay

Cold as ice
You know that you are
Cold as ice
As cold as ice to me
Cold as ice

Ooh, cold as, cold as ice
You’re as cold as ice
Cold as ice, I know
Yes I know

Posted August 30, 2013 6:33 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit> pain

Posted August 30, 2013 5:44 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

I’m very musical myself. I’ve been writing my own tunes since my teenage years

My resistance to pain
My resistance to pan
You can hit me again and again
But my resistance to pain will sustain

That’s one of my best pieces.

Posted August 30, 2013 5:42 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

“Rhythm Is Gonna Get You”

O eh, o eh, o eh, oo aah
O eh, o eh, o eh, oo aah
Yah yeh goh

At night when you turn off all the lights
There’s no place that you can hide
Oh no, the rhythm is gonna get’cha

In bed, throw the covers on your head
You pretend like you are dead
But I know it
The rhythm is gonna get’cha

Rhythm is gonna get ‘cha
Rhythm is gonna get ‘cha
Rhythm is gonna get you
The rhythm is gonna get you tonight

No way, you can fight it every day
But no matter what you say
You know it
The rhythm is gonna get’cha

No clue, of what’s happening to you
And before this night is throug
Ooh baby
The rhythm is gonna get’cha

O eh, o eh, o eh, oo aah
O eh, o eh, o eh, oo aah
Yah yeh goh

Rhythm is gonna get ‘cha
Rhythm is gonna get ‘cha
Rhythm is gonna get you
The rhythm is gonna get you tonight

Na na na na na na na na na na na
Na na na na na na na na na na

O eh, o eh, o eh, oo aah
O eh, o eh, o eh, oo aah
Yah yeh goh

Na na na na na na na na na na na
Na na na na na na na na na na

Posted August 30, 2013 5:39 pm 


Old Yank

Roots rock is not about where rock got its roots — its a contemporary rock genre – like alternative is and like punk is and like acid is and like…

And yes indeed, much in music gets its rhythms from Africa.

Posted August 30, 2013 5:11 pm 


Old Yank

de Lima I. — Your point is perfectly made!

Posted August 30, 2013 5:08 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit> Did you enjoy that rude awakening, Mr Big Time?

Posted August 30, 2013 4:58 pm 


BRUCE

MUSIC TODAY IS A JOKE.

Posted August 30, 2013 3:43 pm 


JWales

The slaves stole Gospel music of their white slave masters.

Posted August 30, 2013 2:04 pm 


JWales

You should respect them in the sense you would “respect” someone who was about to open up a can of whoopass. Heck even Satan must be respected in similar regards

Posted August 30, 2013 1:55 pm 


de Lima I.

Dear Old Yank — It really would be easier for me to say in Brazilian Portuguese what I mean, but I’ll try it anyway.

You’ve a point there as always.

Haye for example, I respect him as a boxer — and only as a boxer. I don’t have to like or respect him as a human being. I can actually separate that. I give him credit and respect him for what he’s doing in the ring.
And I try to stay objective and emotionless when I’m watching a fight.

You said that Monzon was one of your all-time favorite guys in the ring.
So you gave him credit for his performance in the ring?

Posted August 30, 2013 1:28 pm 


JWales

Roots of rock is actually mostly attributed to Africans as is carribean music, etc. etc..

Posted August 30, 2013 12:41 pm 


JWales

You know I was merely quoting Gonzo who started the whole thing off with Gloria Estefan’s Wikipedia crossover stuff. She crossed over from her first hit single, Conga, and that’s why I asked you if it was the Caribbean song that you said made you dance uncontrollably at concerts.

Anyway, I just recommended that you go to the Caribbean and find what you’re missing but you went into a tirade about how you’re vastly richer, more adventurous, and more appreciate of music than me and that the music that you heard there sounded like third grade electronics without good background control .

In that case, put up your best Gloria Estafon and I’ll prove the better sounding bands actually grew up in the Caribbean– your fancy smancy back technology or not ; and not some Crossover hype jobs as with your same follow the crowd boxer bias.

Posted August 30, 2013 12:31 pm 


JOEY

CHISORA IS A BUM.

Posted August 30, 2013 12:26 pm 


BRUCE

OLD YANK BANG ON SON.

Posted August 30, 2013 12:23 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Oh yeah, you and Hunter are tight, just like those wagers you made that you can’t prove. These fibs from you seem to be getting more bizarre as you go along with your little stories. Weird…

Posted August 30, 2013 11:57 am 


Old Yank

de Lima I. — I understand the desire to limit focus on what happens in the ring when finding reasons to respect a fighter. But there is a limit to this kind of thinking. For example, how does one respect Hitler for some of his military genius or for his democratic rise to power when outside of pure politics or pure military strategy he was such an evil human being? Without question Monzon was one of my all-time favorite guys in the ring. But I did not have an ounce of respect for him as a human being — not an ounce. For a long time I could not find an ounce of respect for Mike Tyson either. But if ever a man has affirmatively made a choice to walk a different path it would be Mike. He’s earned the respect of countless fans that once would not have cared if he lived or died. Some folks are capable of recognizing a man walking a new path, others are not. Redemption is something one does for themselves, and does not necessarily require the approval of those with hardened hearts. Respect is difficult to give in the partial vacuum of a ring when the full breath of air finds a fighter unworthy outside the ring. And most stunning to me are those walking a path in search of redemption while unable to grant it to others. These are the true hypocrites amongst us.

Posted August 30, 2013 11:48 am 


Old Yank

BRUCE — The Beatles were transfarmative to be sure! The Beach Boys made some amazing contributions too. Jimi Hendrix, Janis, Pink Floyd, everything that came out of the Yardbirds (Clapton, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page…), the rock Hall of Fame is deep. A ton of that early stuff just prior to and a part of the English invasion was all done in major keys — today’s roots rock is driven from that place.

Posted August 30, 2013 11:22 am 


choky

even chisora?

Posted August 30, 2013 11:12 am 


choky

even chisora

Posted August 30, 2013 11:11 am 


de Lima I.

Of course it’s hard to respect a fighter, who’s an ******* outside the ring,
but I try to stay objective and to look just at his performance in the
ring and if he really tries to give his best — then I respect him for that.

Posted August 30, 2013 10:53 am 


BRUCE

THE BEATLES ARE THE G.O.A.T PERIOD.

Posted August 30, 2013 10:43 am 


Old Yank

JWales — HERE ARE MY WORDS (talk about spin): “It was/is humanly impossible to be at a Gloria Estefan concert and fail to have your soul filled with joy and your body filled with an uncontrollable urge to move. The word hype was not in the dictionary when seeing her perform live. It’s just the truth! She was a cross-over Latina sensation capable of sparking a soul in two languages.”

Please point out where you see the word “Caribbean” in my post. It is YOU pal that is playing the spin game.

I defined her as a “cross-over Latina sensation”, not a Caribbean musician. The cross-over being mixing Cuban roots with Latin pop.

Please stop chasing your tail and accusing me of spin when it is YOU who claimed that you can find 50 Caribbean artists better than Gloria. Why not find 50 classical artist better than Estefan or 50 African artists, if you were not painting her as Caribbean? Your words are your words. One spoken you may be forced to either eat them or explain them. And you are chasing your tail while doing neither.

Posted August 30, 2013 10:21 am 


Old Yank

JWales — Perhaps you are a bit thin in music education. Cuba is in the Caribbean. Cubano-roots pop is pop music with its roots in Cuba. Get it? Pop music with Caribbean roots. Chase your tail all you like. Bottom line: Gloria Estefan (although far from anything topping my charts), is a gifted song writer and musician — an icon in touching Latin and Cuban roots and delivering it as pop. She is not the no talent that you OBVIOUSLY painted her to be. You are simply, plainly and OBVIOUSLY wrong on so many levels that its astonishing that you keep coming back again and again to chase your tail. Listen up FOOL: Mucis is not a competition — it is an art form that transcends competition. You cannot make a fool of Eric Clapton by pointing out how much better Steve Vai was technically. And you cannot make a fool of Gloria Estefan by pointing to your favorite 50 Caribbean artists that you like better. Its foolish!

Posted August 30, 2013 10:14 am 


Old Yank

JWales – These are YOUR WORDS that kinda’ started thing off:

“You can think of at least fifty Caribbean musicians way better than Gloria? ROFL @ LMFAO. You couldn’t think of five from any region of the planet you ignoramus. ROFL.”

So INDEED it was YOU who could not distinguish Cubano-roots pop from the broader category of Caribbean music. YOUR WORDS pal, YOUR WORDS! No spin — YOUR WORDS!

Posted August 30, 2013 10:04 am 


choky

delboy is a boxer i cannot respect at all

Posted August 30, 2013 9:17 am 


JWales

You’re still spinning and I didnt equate this Latin-Pop to Caribbean music, you did.
I said that some of her pop and ballads mixed in some Caribbean. Thats probably because she and probably her husband grew up in the U.S.

Anyway, you originally boasted that it was Gloria Estefan’s Caribbean music gave you “an uncontrollable urge to move” but now you seem hesitant to even define which of her songs you consider Caribbean.

Posted August 30, 2013 8:51 am 


Old Yank

And in my life I’ve probably spun Cliff’s “Many Rivers to Cross” more times than I’ve spun all Estefan music COMBINED. But simply because my tastes gravitate to Jimmy Cliff more than to Estefan it does not mean she has no talent.

Posted August 30, 2013 8:10 am 


Old Yank

JWales — I confess that I have never bought a single Miami Sound Machine or Gloria Estefan album. I probably have 12 to 15 downloads of one or the other on iTunes. Cubano-roots pop is not my thing. But that does not mean I can’t get or do not respect what this couple has accomplished and the talent it too to do so.

Posted August 30, 2013 7:58 am 


Old Yank

JWales — I’m waiting for you to name the Caribbean artists who meet all three criteria: Who are these stunning Caribbean artists that have stuck around from 1977 to 2013 writing platinum-selling music? Who in the Caribbean or Latin music scene has released more than 20 albums? Which Caribbean artists are ranked on the top 100 all-time list in music sales? Now please produce the names of Caribbean music artists that meet ALL THREE criteria! Name them or SHUT UP!

Posted August 30, 2013 7:52 am 


Old Yank

YOU said they were Caribbean sound. I know them to be Cuban-roots/Latin cross over.

Posted August 30, 2013 7:48 am 


Old Yank

JWales — At 7 Grammys, Gloria Estefan probably ranks around 15 on the all-time Grammy list for women artists. I think Madona has 7. Mariah Carey and Celine Dion have fewer Grammys than Estefan! Look, not every style of music nor how that style is produced or performed is necessarily everyone’s cup of tea. We all get that! I’ve never been a huge fan of Springsteen but, damn, I get it! I’ve never been a huge fan of The Stones, but, double damn, I get it. Estefan is no Stones or Springsteen but, damn, not seeing the talent is sad. There are damn few music artists capable of sticking around like Estefan has and still writing platinum-selling music (from 1977 to 2013 baby). So JWales, exactly who are these stunning Caribbean artists that have stuck around from 1977 to 2013 writing platinum-selling music? Who in the Caribbean or Latin music scene has released more than 20 albums? Which Caribbean artists are ranked on the top 100 all-time list in music sales? Look, I GET IT! I’ve tried to produce artists that have sold out multi-thousand seat venues time and again and we could not get a label to pick them up. Stunning talent that’s gone unheralded. And I’ve never bought a Britney Spears album — a stunningly successful entertainer who I literally can’t grab a tune of hers in my head to hum. But no artist survives decades, wins Grammy after Grammy and reaches across generations willing to buy music and gets sloughed off as a no-talent artist. It just makes no sense.

Posted August 30, 2013 7:47 am 


JWales

Two songs, Emilo Estafin??? Why dont you just list some favorite hyms by her or now him because the only Caribbean sound i’m sensin from you is your spin???

Posted August 30, 2013 7:46 am 


Old Yank

What do you think it takes to enter the ranks of the top 100 in all-time music sales?

Posted August 30, 2013 7:30 am 


Old Yank

Emilo Estafan formed Miami Latin Boys in 1975 — becoming the Miami Sound Machine in 1976. He was playing those rhythms from deep Cuban roots years earlier in various versions of bands that never made it. So HE was the guy bringing those “beats” to the early 1970′s. Oh, by the way…he won 19 Grammys. So between them this Latin couple have 26 Grammys but in your eyes have contributed nothing of note to music. Can you spell f-o-o-l?

Posted August 30, 2013 7:28 am 


Old Yank

JWales — So you’ve only listened to two Estefan songs then? Over 23 album releases and you’ve listened to two songs? No wonder you are clueless why she won 7 Grammys! She was instrumental in Latin music — bringing Latinos and others together as one of those pioneering Latina writers and performers. You are clueless about the social impact of who she was and what she did. Again pal, while you were ridding your 10-speed with a set of earphones, I was producing concerts for Grammy winners, members of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and living legends. While you were turning nobs to find FM channels, I was partying in green rooms with amazing performers. Give it a rest.

Posted August 30, 2013 7:19 am 


TARK

He’s heard of me you idiot… He hasn’t heard of you… Nobody has.

Posted August 30, 2013 2:02 am 


JWales

Jean Michel Jarre actually that synthetic Estefan sound and I see that one of his biggest hits is just a cheap copy of a an early 70s beat

Posted August 30, 2013 1:30 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Hunter doesn’t need your help or weak advice Tard, hell he’s never hear of you…

Posted August 30, 2013 1:25 am 


JWales

Gonzo the Dragcornhole wrote: “You can think of at least fifty Caribbean musicians way better than Gloria? ROFL @ LMFAO. You couldn’t think of five from any region of the planet you ignoramus. ROFL.”

What ya wanna bet ?

Posted August 30, 2013 1:23 am 


JWales

“Simply beautiful eulogy to Gloria there Old Yank. 500,000 ESB ranking points and a pair of Slender-Billed Vulture Feather socks to you sir.”

Now that made me chuckle

Posted August 30, 2013 12:58 am 


JWales

Old Yank, backpacking and getting mesmerized by come on everybody and do the Conga is for the metrosexual day tripper because most of this Estefan stuff is just ballads that mix touches of Caribbean; and anyone who thinks music has to have huge amounts of technology and U.S. reviews hasnt actually lived,, felt, and loved the Caribbean

Posted August 30, 2013 12:56 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

You have utterly abysmal taste. I bet you don’t like Jean Michel Jarre either. I can’t pass comment on the Bruce Springsteen song though. The only song I’m familiar with of his is that Born in America one.

Posted August 29, 2013 10:31 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

You can think of at least fifty Caribbean musicians way better than Gloria? ROFL @ LMFAO. You couldn’t think of five from any region of the planet you ignoramus. ROFL.

Posted August 29, 2013 10:27 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Simply beautiful eulogy to Gloria there Old Yank.

500,000 ESB ranking points and a pair of Slender-Billed Vulture Feather socks to you sir.

Posted August 29, 2013 10:23 pm 


Old Yank

I see Good — Yup, Canelo had a better night than Trout. He fought a fine bout. Several rounds could have gone either way, but they did not on the only cards that mattered. I had Canelo by a point. A well-earned decision.

Posted August 29, 2013 10:18 pm 


Old Yank

JWales — I’ve been traveling to the Caribbean since you were diapers — I’ve slept in hammocks and carried a backpack in places you’d only dream of ever seeing in your life. I’ve produced several concerts and a few albums in my day — concerts for Orleans, The B52′s, Natalie Merchant, the late, great Richie Havens and more. You don’t need to send me anywhere pal. Been there — done that. I’ve been to towns in the Caribbean that you’ve gotten to via paved roads — when I traveled there it was either on dirt or via horseback because the roads were not improved. Don’t be a fool. Estefan has talent to burn. Nope, she’s not Rasta — but she sure can write, sing and play. If you are talking about Caribbean talent playing on third-grade instruments and electronics so poor that feedback can’t be controlled, then hell yes, I’ve heard that too.

Posted August 29, 2013 10:15 pm 


TARK

Right.., Of 3 US newspaper reporters… 3 judges… And 3 US commentators… NOBODY had the fight for Trout.

That’s a fair consensus… For De La Hoya vs Mosley II, Lampley polled the sportswriters at ringside… Four of five had Mosley winning by UD.

From ringside you get a better feel of punch impacts than from TV. You can also see the fighters shudder and react to punches easier.

Posted August 29, 2013 10:13 pm 


I see Good

OLD YANK You are ABSOLUTLEY CORRECT. Canelo WON that fight with TROUT. And to PROVE my POINT ALL 3 AMERICAN JUDGES as BIAS as they are for AMERICAN FIGHTERS . Said on NATIONAL TV KELLERMAN, LAMPLEY and that pharmicists guy ALL SAID CANELO WON that FIGHT. Before the SCORE CARDS WERE READ …And what WON that fight for CANELO was his HARD THUNDEROUS PUNCHES TO THE BODY.. I saw TROUT FLINCH 7 times in PAIN from body shots he recieve from Canelo. That Canelo can PUNCH HARD..

Posted August 29, 2013 8:17 pm 


I see Good

KHAN reminds me of Tommy Hearns great boxer hard hitter, but a GLASS JAW. To bad. khan has such fast hand speed

Posted August 29, 2013 7:20 pm 


I see Good

KHAN reminds me of Tommy Hearns great boxer hard hitter, but a GLASS JAW. To bad. khan has such fast hand speed

Posted August 29, 2013 7:20 pm 


I see Good

OLD YANK Yes KHAN was beaten by GARCIA. But was ROB by a guy on PEDS, and by the JUDGES. If I was KHAN I would never fight in the USA ever again. At least I give KHAN credit wanting to FIGHT the best in his DIVISION in their PRIMES. Not like a CHERRYPICKER. Print that ESB

Posted August 29, 2013 7:14 pm 


JWales

Oh and Cuba too

Posted August 29, 2013 6:21 pm 


JWales

Old Yank, if you really think that Gloria Estefan is all that then you should go to the Caribbean and find out what your actually missing, particularly in Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Panama, Haiti, and Colombia. Big U.S. rating or not, they make Gloria seem like small potatoes

Posted August 29, 2013 6:14 pm 


TARK

Hunter can have Khan study the Alexander-Kotelnik fight to boost his confidence.. Khan whipped Kotelnik handily.. Khan was brimming with confidence going into the Malignaggi and Judah fights..

If guys stay back and box that’s his meat. One of these bruised pieces of fruit will fall from the tree. Khan doesn’t know what to do when he’s not throwing. I don’t think Devon will stand there with his hands in his pockets like Kotelnik, Malignaggi, and Judah did when Khan stops throwing and tries to avoid something.

Posted August 29, 2013 5:42 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

Yeah that Kotelnik fight….I actually grudgingly gave it to Alexander on workrate in the end, but for the short periods Kotelnik came to life he was soundly outboxing Alexander and countering him.

Judges in St Louis aren`t swayed by the crowd so much as Devon ALexander grunting every time he throw a 4 punch combo landing on nothing but glove.

I really liked the way Alexander picked out the uppercuts that put Urango away, but since that point I haven`t seen him throw one punch where I`ve sat back and nodded and thought “Smart”.

The Alexander-Maidana fight, ALexander held against him more than Khan did, and ALexander held from the first round…remove the *’s and watch the compuclinch

h*tt*p://w*w*w.youtube.com/watch?v=4If7vEUAnPU

Posted August 29, 2013 5:33 pm 


de Lima I.

Oops. Last two posts — (ballooning up in weight to foolish levels)

Posted August 29, 2013 4:17 pm 


Old Yank

In my view, Alexander lost to Kotelnik, Matthyesse and the official loss to Bradley. So in some respects the Khan/Alexander bout looks like a box-off of bruised fruit from the produce department.

Posted August 29, 2013 2:09 pm 


Old Yank

By-the-way, I’m not thrilled with Alexander’s ring IQ. If plan “A” is not working, he’s got nothing! His ability to adjust is terrible!

Posted August 29, 2013 2:04 pm 


Old Yank

And I don’t know what a trainer can do to fix a low ring IQ — his biggest flaw.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:59 pm 


Old Yank

It was hard not to like Khan — the early version. An Olympian with great looks, well spoken, the best trainers the business could deliver, and well promoted. While he was coddled in those early days there was little threat to his weaknesses getting exposed. The exceedingly low KO ratios of his early opposition were an indication of what his handlers saw in his sparring sessions – an indication of his defensive lapses and an indication that a hard-hitter might end a dream of money-making opportunity. But damn, an opponent has got to be dumb as a brick to not know what Khan’s weaknesses are in the ring today — you can’t find an Ansel Adams photo better exposed. So IF (BIG IF), Alexander can exploit what’s been exposed, Khan gets dusted inside 10!

Posted August 29, 2013 1:58 pm 


TARK

I can guess what Virgil Hunter is thinking in matching Amir with Devon.

Khan sparred constantly with history’s best southpaw for several years, and had little trouble with Zab Judah… He probably thinks Alexander’s southpaw style is a plus for Khan, and southpaws in general aren’t very aggressive. He believes DA will stand off and let Khan box.

My guess is Alexander with change up his style a little and try to take the fight to Khan… He knows Khan is lost when opponents gets close and start throwing, and he’d be foolish not to take advantage of that.

Unless Hunter can add some defensive skills—Hunter a good trainer but he can’t work miracles—Khan is in for another dusting.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:33 pm 


LISTON’S JAB

Well I like him JWales, as do many others on here. But each to their own I guess.

And Gonzo and Turbo Hamster are separate posters. Turbo is a hoot too, mind.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:29 pm 


Old Yank

de Lima I. — Me too!

Posted August 29, 2013 1:11 pm 


Old Yank

JWales — Your point is well made and taken about coddling!

Posted August 29, 2013 1:09 pm 


Old Yank

It was/is humanly impossible to be at a Gloria Estefan concert and fail to have your soul filled with joy and your body filled with an uncontrollable urge to move. The word hype was not in the dictionary when seeing her perform live. It’s just the truth! She was a cross-over Latina sensation capable of sparking a soul in two languages.

Seven Grammys. Top 100 selling artist of all time. Business woman with restaurants and hotels. Writer of children’s books. A career in music spanning 1977 to 2013 with nearly no interruptions (23 album releases in 26 years). Film and TV career. Writer and performer of the 1996 Atlanta Summer Olympics theme song. Several prestigious humanitarian awards.

If this is what hype looks like, please, please will someone hype my life for me!

Posted August 29, 2013 1:09 pm 


JWales

Old Yank, that may have to do with Golden Boy going out of their way to promote the Muslim faith

Oh and Khan wasn’t near as coddled as Canelo

Posted August 29, 2013 12:54 pm 


de Lima I.

That’s why I respect WK a lot, he is very disciplined, a great boxer and a great person.

Posted August 29, 2013 12:53 pm 


JWales

I mean cant we just stick to buzzards and the like because that was Bruce’s worst song and I can think of at least fifty Caribbean musicians way better than Gloria hype job Estafan.

Posted August 29, 2013 12:49 pm 


de Lima I.

Old Yank — you’re right again.
I already said that in my opinion, some boxers just don’t realize how important training and correct nutrition is and they step into the ring at less than a hundred percent fighting shape. It’s all a matter of discipline.
You have to stay fit all year round and to be already in great shape when you arrive at the training camp.

Posted August 29, 2013 12:41 pm 


Old Yank

JWales — Indeed Khan is willing to fight anyone now. He was coddled in his early career. Stepped it up — resulting in losing his belts to an unimpressive Peterson and then getting KO’ed by Garcia. Life is short; especially for a boxer. Few fighters have such obvious hot and cold water knobs as Khan has. He’d damn well better be willing to fight anyone. There are other deserving guys at 140 who’d love to get the shots and repeated opportunities that the well-funded Khan has enjoyed.

Posted August 29, 2013 12:41 pm 


JWales

often not funny and fire is indeed often started without a spark

Posted August 29, 2013 12:34 pm 


LISTON’S JAB

Piss off somewhere else if you don’t like it on here Anonymous. This place would be like a graveyard without the likes of Gonzo livening proceedings up. At least he has a personality and stands out in the crowd, whereas people like you are just faceless and, well, anonymous.

Posted August 29, 2013 12:31 pm 


JWales

Oh and I say khan beats Alexander

Posted August 29, 2013 12:30 pm 


TARK

Herron.., You say, “Amir Khan actually has a good defense”

How do you figure that???

Maidana caught Khan with blooping overhand shots, swinging uppercuts, and shots from left field. Without the help of Joe Cortez breaking clinches when Maidana had an arm free to punch, the towel goes flying in.. Roach admitted he almost threw it a couple times.

Peterson caught Khan with swings that an 8-round fighter shouldn’t get hit with. So did Julio Diaz.

Danny Garcia ripped Amir with fully loaded hooks and chased him out of the ring before stopping him. I never saw a world champion caliber boxer turn and sprint away from an attacker before … If you can’t defend and can’t grab, what other option do you have???

Khan has a good offense… His defense sucks to the quasars.

Posted August 29, 2013 12:23 pm 


Old Yank

It is hard to respect a man who gets plastered in the news with stories of battering women, ballooning up in weight to foolish levels, busted for drugs or gun possession or bar fights. Working hard in a training camp is part-time work in the job of life. You can’t earn respect on the part-time plan. At least you can’t earn mine that way. As pissed off as Hopkins can make me I cannot deny his commitment to community or his dedication to clean living. There is much I don’t like about Hopkins but he’s EARNED my respect. Now ask me about Kirkland.

Posted August 29, 2013 12:05 pm 


de Lima I.

Joseph — To be honest, the last time I saw him was in 2012 and in my opinion, he had not good inside defense back then.

Posted August 29, 2013 11:56 am 


Old Yank

de Lima I. — Well said! But let’s also keep in mind that respect is something that can be blindly given, blindly expected and can also be hard-earned. Some fighters expect blindly-given respect before they’ve taken steps to earn it. I’m not sure every fighter deserves our respect. I am certain that the majority work hard to earn our respect.

Posted August 29, 2013 11:52 am 


Titus Mayweather

de Lima I:

Oscar was Great back in the day. The Man challenged everyone unlike my brother Floyd and next door neighbor Pacman who both are always looking for an edge.

Oscar may be criticized for wearing women’s lingerie but you can certainly see he had big balls through those fishnets.

Posted August 29, 2013 11:35 am 


Titus Mayweather

I think Canelo has a solid shot if Floyd doesn’t move around and Canelo can back him up into the ropes. Canelo’s shots in combinations are brutal. They are fast, accurate, and hard. And they also are unpredictable because he’ll mix up his shots and they are thrown in a pattern instead of choppy.

Posted August 29, 2013 11:32 am 


de Lima I.

Old Yank — you’re absolutely right.

When I say hater then I actually mean a true hater and AK has indeed many haters from what I see.

Or look at DH — many fight fans ignore his great skills just because they hate him. No fighter deserves that.

Boxing fans really should try to be more objective and just enjoy this great sport!
And they should respect every single fighter, who tries to give his best in the ring.

Posted August 29, 2013 11:31 am 


Titus Mayweather

There is only ONE fighter I think he avoided and that was Paul Williams when Williams was campaigning at WW. To Tall, To much stamina, To many damn punches, to damn BIG.

Margarito would have been another boring Baldomir style fight. If you thought a past prime Shane Mosley looked fast and accurate, imagine Floyd being in there during that time when it was proposed since he was younger and still in that stick and move vase.

I think the Cotto fight would have been good but easier for Floyd back then when they were both at 140 since Cotto’s chin was weaker in that division and Floyd was even faster, more agile, and threw more punches back then. It wasn’t going to happen as long as Floyd wasn’t under Arum’s hand.

Pac: This would have been a good fight because Floyd is past his peak while Pac was still at a high level. Pac’s speed and volume would have troubled Floyd if Floyd decided to just stand there like James Toney. But if he sticked and move and popped that Jab, GAME OVER.
And when he wins, Pac is just a 105 pound fighter with a few losses.

Floyd really needed a terror in his division that had/has HOF talent and is undefeated. Someone naturally bigger than him too.

Posted August 29, 2013 11:28 am 


Titus Mayweather

It doesn’t matter who Floyd fights he will always be criticized.

Before the fighter signs on to fight Floyd, he is the next coming. When he signs on to fight Floyd, he is overrated and a bust after the fight.

Posted August 29, 2013 11:23 am 


Joseph Herron

Very insightful, Old Yank!!

Posted August 29, 2013 11:09 am 


Joseph Herron

De Lima I,

very good post, sister!!

But, Amir Khan actually has a good defense…his footwork serves as the foundation for his very crafty defense. he is very proficient at moving in and out of range while fighting effectively at angles…but you’re so right on a lot of points.

He absolutely has zero infighting ability…but a lot of UK fighters don’t. Their only option is to either use their feet or tie up their opponent. Once a fighter cuts off the ring and closes the distance on them, it’s all over.

And you’re so right about AK’s lack of head movement…he fights in a very amateurish style.

Great post!!

Posted August 29, 2013 10:55 am 


Old Yank

There are many, many fighters standing in a cue waiting for their shot. Indeed some fans hate. But often legit questions about a fighter and why he gets chance after chance gets raised, and some die hard fans misinterpret that as hate — or manipulate it as hate for convenience. Every fighter because of his style, personality. performances or other attributes does not get an auto pass to be handled with kid gloves. And often calling fans haters is simply a method of attempting to shut down fan criticism. Balance folks, balance. The uber hype delivered on behalf of Khan (and delivered from his lips), opened him up to uber scrutiny. And that is FAIR! In my opinion the hype that once (and in some cases continues) to surround Khan is misplaced. He is not deserving of all the hype, and his ring performances seem to second my opinion. It ain’t hate; it’s wanting to see the best fighting the best and becoming frustrated while hype stands in the way – hype that blocks the path for other deserving fighters to get a shot.

Posted August 29, 2013 10:35 am 


de Lima I.

Joseph Herron — “Thanks, De Lima I…that’s one thing appreciate about Amir Khan.
His chin is made of china, but he still lets his hands go and fights the top fighters in his respective division.
I don’t know why Amir gets all of the hatred that he receives from the fight fans…he’s great for the sport!!”

That’s true Joseph.
I think every single fighter deserves our respect.
But haters are immature, so what else do you expect?

In my opinion AK has excellent hand and foot speed, but he lacks good head movement, defensive skills, ring intelligence and he has almost 0 infighting skills.

Unfortunately for him, there are better boxers out there right now.

Posted August 29, 2013 10:12 am 


Old Yank

Actually, if you are only betting underdog wagers with odds greater than 3:1, you only need one in FOUR (not three) to make money (sorry). Slightly oversimplified example: At 3.5 to 1, I’m wagering $29 to win $100. If I lose 3 of 4 wagers at 3.5 to 1, I’m losing 3 at $29 or $87. But the 1 in 4 I win produces $100. I end up $13 ahead by being right only 1 in 4 times in this example. Now multiply the numbers by a larger bet and one can see how you can lose 3 our of 4 and still come out a reasonable winner. But because the EXPECTED turns out to be correct the VAST majority of the time, you need a KEEN NOSE for picking underdogs to even win 1 in 4.

Posted August 29, 2013 9:45 am 


Old Yank

The IDEA EXPECTATION GAUGE: I like Vivek’s use of something like an “upset gauge”. We even have ideas about smelling an upset – a smell that is the tool of the guy who plays dog bets. If you are ONLY betting the dog when the odds are greater than 3:1, then you only need one dog bet in every 3 to come out a winner (easier said than done). If your “idea” of what will happen is a fairly keen nose for smelling something, then you are going to have some success betting dogs. I used to NEVER wager on dogs because it is a losing proposition. I switched that philosophy several years ago because I think I’ve got a good nose for smelling upsets. Make no doubt about it, Canelo is a live-dog here. The “upset gauge” is not in neutral — it leans toward Canelo. But the odds are not greater than 3:1 so I’m staying away. I suspect an increasing number of fans will smell upset as the bout closes in on the opening bell — therefore I do not believe I will get a shot at 3.5:1 because I think the odds will tighten. And should the odds tighten, then it is an expression of an “idea” that more and more folks are smelling UPSET. So “we” do indeed have an idea about what to expect. Finally, looking to a guy with success picking dogs will lead you to a guy who STILL gets 2 out of 3 WRONG! He ends up looking like a guy who can’t pick a fight to save his life. Don’t look at the two of three he gets wrong; look at how much he picked up in the one he got right!

Posted August 29, 2013 9:23 am 


Old Yank

Joseph Herron — “Like I said before the Abner Mares fight with Jhonny Gonzalez, TARK, this is the theater of the unexpected and we literally and figuratively have no idea what is going to happen on September 14th.”

I will take exception to the characterization that “we literally and figuratively have no idea what is going to happen.” The odds-makers represent the collective “we”. The odds are built based on what the collective we believes is going to happen — the “idea” of what is expected. As more money pours in on a favorite, the odds increase to attract folks willing to place money on the underdog. It is a form of “idea poll” — an expression of what we literally expect to see happen. And much more often than not the odds-makers get it right. It is NOT because the odds-makers are assigning arbitrary odds, it is because the “collective we” DOES HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN! And “we” get it right the vast majority of the time.

The unexpected should be expected with about the same frequency as it happens in life; after all boxing imitates life. The unexpected happens — it is not the impossible, it is just the unexpected. And we always have a literal idea of the expected and get it right with as much precision as we do most anything in life.

Posted August 29, 2013 9:07 am 


Gonzalez

LMAO!!!!!!

Posted August 29, 2013 8:25 am 


Turbo-Hamster

For ages I didn`t realise that Americans call full stops periods.

I thought you all really just liked talking about menstruation.

Posted August 29, 2013 6:25 am 


Gonzalez

Mayweather is a ducker and a cherry picker period

Posted August 29, 2013 6:21 am 


TARK

Execution is a major major issue for me.

I always keep an eye on California state law to make sure that neither possession of tranny scat porn, nor interfering with young men under the influence of multiple narcotics is a capital offence.

If it was Wooooooooooo.

I would be doing the electric boogoolooo.

I know Arnie likes to partake though, I have seen him flaming it at the Abbey in LA, so IO don`t think he is pushing anything through.

Well no legislation anyway.

Oh behave.

Posted August 29, 2013 5:54 am 


Turbo-Hamster

And as Bruce Springsteen noted in one of his more scientific moments, “You can`t start a fire without a spark”

Posted August 29, 2013 5:47 am 


JWales

Oh you old chin checker you.

Posted August 29, 2013 2:52 am 


TARK

What’s that supposed to mean?

Posted August 29, 2013 2:22 am 


JWales

See how an Orwellian atmosphere eventually leads to mostly arrogant putzing around

Posted August 29, 2013 2:11 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Lol Brother Hidalgo

Posted August 29, 2013 1:59 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Fires start when a flammable and/or a combustible material, in combination with a sufficient quantity of an oxidizer such as oxygen gas or another oxygen-rich compound (though non-oxygen oxidizers exist that can replace oxygen), is exposed to a source of heat or ambient temperature above the flash point for the fuel/oxidizer mix, and is able to sustain a rate of rapid oxidation that produces a chain reaction. This is commonly called the fire tetrahedron. Fire cannot exist without all of these elements in place and in the right proportions. For example, a flammable liquid will start burning only if the fuel and oxygen are in the right proportions. Some fuel-oxygen mixes may require a catalyst, a substance that is not directly involved in any chemical reaction during combustion, but which enables the reactants to combust more readily.

Once ignited, a chain reaction must take place whereby fires can sustain their own heat by the further release of heat energy in the process of combustion and may propagate, provided there is a continuous supply of an oxidizer and fuel.
If the oxidizer is oxygen from the surrounding air, the presence of a force of gravity, or of some similar force caused by acceleration, is necessary to produce convection, which removes combustion products and brings a supply of oxygen to the fire. Without gravity, a fire rapidly surrounds itself with its own combustion products and non-oxidizing gases from the air, which exclude oxygen and extinguish it. Because of this, the risk of fire in a spacecraft is small when it is coasting in inertial flight. Of course, this does not apply if oxygen is supplied to the fire by some process other than thermal convection.

Fire can be extinguished by removing any one of the elements of the fire tetrahedron. Consider a natural gas flame, such as from a stovetop burner. The fire can be extinguished by any of the following:turning off the gas supply, which removes the fuel source;covering the flame completely, which smothers the flame as the combustion both uses the available oxidizer (the oxygen in the air) and displaces it from the area around the flame with CO2; application of water, which removes heat from the fire faster than the fire can produce it (similarly, blowing hard on a flame will displace the heat of the currently burning gas from its fuel source, to the same end), orapplication of a retardant chemical such as Halon to the flame, which retards the chemical reaction itself until the rate of combustion is too slow to maintain the chain reaction.

In contrast, fire is intensified by increasing the overall rate of combustion. Methods to do this include balancing the input of fuel and oxidizer to stoichiometric proportions, increasing fuel and oxidizer input in this balanced mix, increasing the ambient temperature so the fire’s own heat is better able to sustain combustion, or providing a catalyst; a non-reactant medium in which the fuel and oxidizer can more readily react.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:59 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Fire is the rapid oxidation of a material in the exothermic chemical process of combustion, releasing heat, light, and various reaction products. Slower oxidative processes like rusting or digestion are not included by this definition.
The flame is the visible portion of the fire. If hot enough, the gases may become ionized to produce plasma.Depending on the substances alight, and any impurities outside, the colour of the flame and the fire’s intensity will be different.

Fire in its most common form can result in conflagration, which has the potential to cause physical damage through burning. Fire is an important process that affects ecological systems across the globe. The positive effects of fire include stimulating growth and maintaining various ecological systems. Fire has been used by humans for cooking, generating heat, signaling, and propulsion purposes. The negative effects of fire include water contamination, soil erosion, atmospheric pollution and hazard to life and property

Posted August 29, 2013 1:57 am 


Hidalgo

Apparently my posts are invisible. Oh well. Meanwhile, back at the ranch Correctamundo disguised himself as a door. The Lone Ranger immediately shot his knob off.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:54 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Everybody left except you. ROFL. What does that say about you? lol.

I’m the best poster on here by a country mile. Deal with it and move on with your life *cough.. I mean existence ..cough* ROFL.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:49 am 


Anonymous

Gonzo posting to himself again… Boring crap man…Everybody left…

AAAhhhh maaaannn… Yaawwnnn… zzzzzzzZZZZZZ

Posted August 29, 2013 1:35 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit> belligerent

Posted August 29, 2013 1:20 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

So all the other stuff is true then?

Posted August 29, 2013 1:18 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

belligerent

Posted August 29, 2013 1:18 am 


TARK

Well I haven’t reached my 70′s… So that’s not me.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:17 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Edit> find out

Posted August 29, 2013 1:15 am 


TARK

Right… All those are problems of mastery and execution Hamster.

Now… You need a damned good trainer who gets the science right.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:10 am 


Turbo-Hamster

When anyone breaks boxing down to that extent they can`t possibly be saying that it is one or two things that decide an encounter entirely, that`s deliberately obtuse.

It`s just a form of strawman. It`s a logical fallacy, like the appeal to authority in quoting Vince Lombardi.

Boxing is always a combination of factors.

A guy gets hit with a lead left hook and put on his butt…

Pundit 1 sees he had his right hand too low
Pundit 2 thinks he was too side on and has a stance problem
Pundit 3 thinks his stance is usually good but the other guys footwork put him into a bad position
Pundit 4 notices the other guy could set the punch up because this guy reacts to predictably to a feint
Pundit 5 thinks actually the low hands are deliberate to encourage the opponent to attack, and he just got pipped for speed

There might be some truth to all of it, and any mixture of the factors can influence the outcome of their next fight.

Posted August 29, 2013 1:03 am 


TARK

The will to win comes first… It allows you to persevere for years, and through disappointment and defeat, until your execution is matchless.

Kind of like that movie about the Springboks of South Africa when they worked so hard they beat all the favored teams in the world and won the World Championship.

But good question Hamster

Posted August 29, 2013 1:01 am 


Turbo-Hamster

Which is it then – the will to win, or masterful execution?

Posted August 29, 2013 12:31 am 


TARK

Herron.., Totally bogus BS again for your latest rant… I don’t slam anyone’s analysis per se. I agree or disagree with what they post to write, and point out exactly where they’re going wrong.

That’s what I did to an Ivan Ivanov article where I pointed out 3 statements he got exactly wrong — and Old Yank and you agreed with me. You didn’t think I slammed him. The comments were entirely educational in nature, and you agreed with my analysis on both Canelo and Floyd in your posts.

Then you said something wrong about speed and athleticism being decisive — which is totally incorrect because the will to win is what triumphs.. Listen to the teachings of Vince Lombardi.. It’s masterful execution that gets the job done, not speed and power. But because I challenged what you said you got nasty all over again. I didn’t attack you. What I said was educational

Posted August 28, 2013 11:59 pm 


Joseph Herron

Thanks for the clarification, Peej…that’s what I thought you meant.

Austin is a great guy, and I can’t imagine him saying anything bad about anyone publicly or privately…that’s just how he rolls.

Austin and his wife Taylor are two of the best ambassadors of the sport.

But, he did tell me right after the media cleared out that he genuinely thought he should have won the fight and would like a rematch that wasn’t on a surface that felt like quicksand.

The canvas used in their fight was the spongiest I’ve ever felt.

Posted August 28, 2013 11:30 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

I’m complimentary to everyone on the forum because I’m a nice guy. LOL…It has nothing to do with getting into good graces with anyone.

I’m not here to discredit anyone, unlike yourself…you’ve admitted as much.

I don’t have to do that to make myself seem credible…the proof is in my work and my reputation within the industry.

There’s a reason why fighters like to be interviewed by me…Because I’m knowledgeable and I’m fair. I don’t have to slam anyone to prove my worth.

You should try to work on that, brother.

Posted August 28, 2013 11:26 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Still can’t remember the names of all those champs you trained?

You are shameful and a pathological liar.

The truth shall set you free if you ever decided to man up…

Posted August 28, 2013 11:23 pm 


PEEJ

I would add Malinaggi to that but with how Broner came off I think he had every right to let whatever heat he had off his chest

Posted August 28, 2013 10:15 pm 


PEEJ

Herron I am in agreement with what you where saying. There is nothing that can be done about crying about the decision right after the right. It makes you look like a baby. Just see how Oscar looked after the 2nd Mosley fight, the way Rios came into the interview after the 2nd Alvarado fight. It does nothing for you. The way that both Mares and Trout came off showed a lot of class. Sometimes that is missing from the sport.

Posted August 28, 2013 10:14 pm 


PEEJ

As usual different day same garbage with you.

Posted August 28, 2013 10:11 pm 


TARK

Apprentice… LMFAO… That reminds me. Donald Trump of “The Apprentice” is being sued by the AG of New York for defrauding students. It appears they were being sold a bill of goods by the money grubber.

Posted August 28, 2013 10:07 pm 


TARK

@Herron.., You only say that because I slammed your analysis… When you were trying to curry favor with me you were very complimentary.

So you’re the guy who needs to work on the emotions.

Now, you say Mayweather will have his way with Canelo and may stop him.. You say Canelo can’t move and punch…can’t attack well etc. Let’s see what else you have in your analysist bag and how much insight it actually gives to the actual fight — or if you’re just being swept along by popular sentiment.

Posted August 28, 2013 10:01 pm 


TARK

No he liked girls… Ernie liked the other boys

Posted August 28, 2013 9:48 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Tark never really was like the other boys…

Posted August 28, 2013 9:27 pm 


Joseph Herron

You’re right, brother…I don’t know what your knowledge truly is because the majority of your posts are rubbish!!

now, quiet, my apprentice…I’m about to watch the media workout with Floyd

Posted August 28, 2013 9:08 pm 


TARK

TARK.., You have no idea what my boxing knowledge is… Since you’re such a poor evaluator of knowledge.

Your go to guy is Gogue… and you do better than he does.

Posted August 28, 2013 9:02 pm 


Joseph Herron

Sorry to be eating up the comment board guys, I’ll get back to boxing. Just getting ready to watch the Mayweather media workout.

Posted August 28, 2013 9:01 pm 


TARK

Old Yank isn’t far off… My outside is 116-112 for Floyd.

Inside is a draw… Which I don’t think in this fight judges will want to do, so 115-113.

Posted August 28, 2013 9:00 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK: “No kidding???? Now that I’ve clued you in.”

LOL…that is hilarious!!

The only thing you’ve clued me in to is the idea that your ego is much bigger than your boxing knowledge.

That’s it, brother!!

Posted August 28, 2013 8:59 pm 


TARK

My emotions are under control… I handled that long ago when I was losing fortunes betting on losers

My ego??? I don’t know. I’ve taken a close look at that. I believe it’s good to have a strong ego — not a big inflated ego.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:56 pm 


Joseph Herron

Like I said before the Abner Mares fight with Jhonny Gonzalez, TARK, this is the theater of the unexpected and we literally and figuratively have no idea what is going to happen on September 14th.

That is the only thing at this point we truly know.

We can speculate all we want, but anything can happen in the ring.

That’s why we watch!! I love it!!

Posted August 28, 2013 8:56 pm 


Old Yank

117-111 or 116-112 in a “make-it-look-easy” UD for Mayweather.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:52 pm 


TARK

Herron.., “TARK, My prediction might change the week of the fight”

No kidding???? Now that I’ve clued you in.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:52 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

the reason why you miserably fail when trying to discuss anything about boxing with me, is that you take something that is so subjective and try to make it seem like it’s absolute.

But, when I tell you something that is absolute, like this fighter told me this, you try to argue about it like it’s up for debate.

You’re ego and emotions are getting the better of you, my man.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:51 pm 


Old Yank

In Trout/Alvarez I thought rounds 1,4,5,and 6 (these four rounds in particular) could have ended up all over the place on different cards — and THEY DID! So MOST fans and judges had a hell of a time agreeing on who won those four rounds.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:50 pm 


TARK

You’re wrong

Posted August 28, 2013 8:48 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK: “You heard it here first… The analyst has spoken.”

Tell me I’m wrong, TARK. My prediction might change the week of the fight, but knowing what I know right now from both camps, I think Floyd will win this fight easy…possibly even stopping him in the late rounds.

Tell me I’m wrong, TARK.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:47 pm 


TARK

In his last 9 fights, over about 7 years, Floyd has stopped 2 guys..

Victor Ortiz… Who wanted to be stopped.. And he stopped Ricky Hatton.. Hatton was damned near stopped by Luis Collazo.

Neither Hatton or Ortiz could box worth a damn. They both had suspect chins and no defense. So Herron is basically putting Canelo in that category.. This being the biggest blockbuster fight in history.

How many rounds does Hatton go with Trout or Cotto??? Just a queston. I don’t think he goes 3 with Canelo.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:46 pm 


Joseph Herron

Old Yank,

That’s the problem that we had at FightSaga.com.

The only time we would get sick traffic was on the huge fight weekends…like Pac/Marquez and Floyd/Cotto.

I helped build Fight Saga up to a top 15 boxing website though. It currently has over 60K followers on Facebook and passed up Seconds Out, DogHouse Boxing, and Sweet Science in terms of traffic.

Even then, we still couldn’t make money in surplus…just enough to support the site and leave a little left over to pay bills.

Without the fans visiting the forum, there isn’t enough traffic to generate real money on a boxing site.

You’re right, Old Yank…it’s all about the fans.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:44 pm 


Hidalgo

Tark, I asked you a question regarding the Mosley/Mayweather fight? Did you see it? Scroll down.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:43 pm 


Old Yank

Anybody who thinks scoring a round cannot be seen differently by QUALITY judges does not know JACK about boxing! I saw Canelo winning a close bout. But I, like most HONEST fans and judges, saw some damn close rounds that might have gone either way.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:37 pm 


TARK

Herron says…, “Floyd is going to have his way with Canelo and might actually stop him in the later rounds.”

You heard it here first… The analyst has spoken.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:36 pm 


Joseph Herron

From what I’m hearing, Adam Lopez is currently training at Carlos “El Famoso’s” Gym here in San Antonio…I hope to see Adam finally get an opportunity this year.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:35 pm 


Old Yank

Op Amp — It rhymes with boxing dot com. GREAT writing — BORING fans!

Posted August 28, 2013 8:31 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark: “Canelo has little problem throwing on the move.”

That’s BS, TARK.

That’s not what his sparring partners have stated in the past. Unless Canelo has had this amazing breakthrough in this camp alone, he can’t fire without getting set.

Floyd is going to have his way with Canelo and might actually stop him in the later rounds.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:31 pm 


Old Yank

TARK — Mayweather will have NO PROBLEM landing pot-shots and disappearing — RUNNING IF NECESSARY. If that is what it takes then that is what Mayweather will do. An unanswered pot-shot followed by running while not getting hit SCORES A POINT. Mayweather STANK the place out while Baldomir pretending Mayweather had no place to disappear to. Baldomir did all he could to cut the ring but like Canelo, he could not throw effectively while cutting the ring. Mayweather WON nearly EVERY round pot-shotting Baldomir as he attempted to cut off the ring — and then Mayweather was seen RUNNING!

Posted August 28, 2013 8:30 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Well Tard, what champs?…

Posted August 28, 2013 8:28 pm 


Op Amp

Old Yank – Can you say the name of the site, or give a hint?

Posted August 28, 2013 8:27 pm 


TARK

Lots

Posted August 28, 2013 8:19 pm 


TARK

Old Yank.., “Frustration will set in if he simply allows Mayweather to pot-shot and disappear.” … Where’s he going to disappear to??? He can run but he can’t hide.

Not this kid… He doesn’t get frustrated. He steps up his game.

Canelo has little problem throwing on the move. Floyd’s footwork is a shade more masterful. But Canelo can make up for that by controlling the center of the ring … This will be a boxing match for the most part.

Canelo didn’t throw at Trout when he didn’t have a target… You can’t say the same about Cotto.

Trout threw at Canelo when he didn’t have a target either.. Austin had the height and reach advantage and a southpaw style that confused Cotto … but didn’t work on Canelo.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:16 pm 


Old Yank

TARK — There is another GREAT site for articles, video and more. The problem with that site is that the posting banter is a collection of writers stroking each other and a tiny hand-full of censored to be well-behaved fans. The site is geared toward writers kissing each others cheeks while IGNORING the importance of the fan. It is struggling to become monetized and I’ve told them why they are struggling many times. They will cling onto a losing formula until they fade into irrelevance. But I can understand why they don;t listen to me — I’ve only built and sold many businesses in my lifetime; God knows the fools they are listening to must be right due to the stunning monetary success they enjoy! A great boxing site is great because of the FANS, not because of the writers! Let me boil it down for them again” IT’S THE FANS STUPID! And ESB gets that!

Posted August 28, 2013 8:16 pm 


Joseph Herron

What champions did you train, TARK?

Posted August 28, 2013 8:13 pm 


TARK

I didn’t forget the champs names… You lying sack

Posted August 28, 2013 8:07 pm 


Old Yank

Joseph Herron — You are 100% correct…Canelo is not effective throwing while cutting off the ring. He will attempt to adjust to Mayweather by throwing while cutting because frustration will set in if he simply allows Mayweather to pot-shot and disappear. It is when Canelo attempts to throw while cutting the ring that Mayweather will start landing his signature lead right hands. Once you see Mayweather begin landing these, the fat lady has sung!

Posted August 28, 2013 8:06 pm 


TARK

In terms of this particular website I prefer to… It’s fun

Posted August 28, 2013 8:05 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

That was someone else Bozo, I couldn’t care less where you tell everyone where you live, it would just be ANOTHER interweb fantasy of yours, just like when you stated that you trained several world champs but you forgot their names, lol…

Posted August 28, 2013 8:02 pm 


Joseph Herron

Yeah…Adam Lopez. Because his career is currently is at a standstill and he was dropped by trainer Ronnie Shields, I decided not to publish the article.

But, I really like Adam and his Dad,,,tehy’re good people and I will cover him in the future.

So who are you? You don’t have to hide behind an alias, brother.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:01 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

I see Tard, so it’s just another falsehood, you will only sit back and tell us you are in better condition, and we will all be wowed by your incredible myths you fabricate…

Posted August 28, 2013 7:59 pm 


TARK

The southern part Ernie

Posted August 28, 2013 7:59 pm 


TJ

Nice, what part of Southern Ca?

Posted August 28, 2013 7:57 pm 


TARK

And you have seen me. Although I like in Southern CA. I get around.

I remember asking you online when you were going to publish an interview of a young undefeated boxer… I still haven’t seen it.

Posted August 28, 2013 7:54 pm 


Old Man

I’m sure there is a tremendous message there somewhere

Posted August 28, 2013 7:50 pm 


TARK

That’s fine… From our analysis and subsequent fight action. People can tell.

Posted August 28, 2013 7:49 pm 


Joseph Herron

It’s funny that you’ve seen me…I’ve never seen you.

That should tell everyone on the board who actually knows what they’re talking about.

Posted August 28, 2013 7:47 pm 


TARK

Herron.., Thanks for mentioning my age. I’ve seen you.

I’m in better shape than you are brother. Mentally and physically.

Posted August 28, 2013 7:42 pm 


TARK

Warren Buffett said, “Just tell the truth 100% of the time and you won’t have to apologize or explain.”

PEEJ.., Right after the Chisora-Scott fight, Scott said he was hit in the back of the head—and he was up at nine. Not only that but he said, “Everybody saw that I was up at nine.”

He also pointed out that he was ahead on the scorecards.

Now Scott was nice about it. He didn’t blame Chisora for what the referee did. He congratulated Chisora. He just didn’t mince what happened.

I don’t believe Trout was insincere either.

Posted August 28, 2013 7:32 pm 


Anonymous

…..Ernie = Stalker……

Posted August 28, 2013 7:15 pm 


TARK

PEEJ.., Your perspective often changes when you first watch a fight you’ve been in.

I’ve seen it a thousand times with a thousand boxers. You’re competing so intensely that you really don’t remember what happened in every minute of every round. You’re not even be sure of what the scores are going to be because your corner told you you needed the last round … or maybe even the last 2 rounds, and you’re not certain you got them. You weren’t keeping score and that’s not your job.

Later, when you watch the fight, you’re obviously seeing it from a biased perspective. “Oh.. I remember that.” and “Yeah, he got me that time.”

Posted August 28, 2013 7:14 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

Definitely agree on the aggressor point. If JMM cannot counterpunch you effectively I don`t see Canelo doing so either.

It`s the speed but also the thought.

Floyd can jab the body and be back out before the counter comes.

And if you start anticipating he`s going to throw that he has a right hand lead for you – or that leaping left hook that sat JMM on his @ss.

Posted August 28, 2013 7:06 pm 


TARK

@Herron.., You don’t know what you’re talking about. I know the business end of Boxing through and through. Warren Buffett said, “Just tell the truth all the time and you’ll never have make excuses and apologies.” He’s a pretty good businessman.

Saying you thought you won a close fight isn’t going to sour anybody on you or your potential to get a rematch. It’s what everybody says. Everyone expects you to say that when a fight is close. It’s human nature. It’s when you change your story and say something like, “I was just trying to be a nice guy when I made those comments” that people look at you funny … so it better to be sincere at all times.

Don’t have fans think, “When were you telling the truth? … Now or then?”

Posted August 28, 2013 7:03 pm 


Joseph Herron

Peej,

it kind of sounds like you’re in agreement with me, with the exception of your opening statement.

I’m not sure what your opinion is…please expound, my friend.

Posted August 28, 2013 6:53 pm 


Joseph Herron

Who is wrong, Peej…you think I’m wrong here?

You think everyone discloses their true feelings on camera? Really?

Posted August 28, 2013 6:48 pm 


PEEJ

No that is the only thing that matters, what someone says when there put on the spot in the middle of the ring. Just ask Mares, he was very respectful and gracious when the ref stopped it and said the ref did his job. He is now saying he told the ref he was fine and could continue meaning the ref shouldn’t of stopped it. Giving Gonzalez his time since he was declared the winner. Same thing Trout did and let Canelo have his shine. That is being a good sport. Dude that just fought Chrisora did the same thing. So you are wrong.

Posted August 28, 2013 6:43 pm 


Joseph Herron

Anyway, TARK,

Don’t argue with me about the Trout/Canelo issue…this is something that he and trainer Louie Burke told me right after the fight…he told me this off the record.

You’re just going by what he stated on camera. Just be quiet and listen…you might actually learn something…even at your age.

Posted August 28, 2013 6:23 pm 


TARK

Actually, I believe Trout’s perspective changed when he studied the fight.

One thing EVERY boxer does, to a greater or lesser degree, is see the good things HE is doing, and minimizes the good things the other guy is doing… After you watched a close fight 2 or 3 times you’re convinced you won. All your relatives are convinced you won. All your friends are convinced you won. All your neighbors are convinced you won (even if they didn’t think so whenever they weren’t talking to you). And all your biggest fans are CERTAIN you won.

Those are all the people you’re going to be talking to and hearing from the most.. So after a few days you not only “know” who won. You’ve changed your mind entirely… You’re convinced you were “robbed.” … That’s what I call the Trout syndrome.

Oscar is certain he beat Floyd — even though he got his ass badly outboxed.

Posted August 28, 2013 6:23 pm 


Miami

@Joseph Herron: Interesting, thank you very much!

Posted August 28, 2013 6:13 pm 


Joseph Herron

Miami,

You’re correct when you state that Canelo has never been an effective aggressor…he’s a pocket counter puncher.

But he’ll have to adopt the role of aggressor if he wants to win this fight.

You can’t let a fighter as fast and as smart as Floyd take the lead…he’ll pick you apart with pot shots.

No fighter has ever been successful trying to counter Floyd because he doesn’t give you a large enough window to work with. He throws single shots from different angles by design.

Canelo has no offense while he’s trying to cut off the ring. he can’t fire without planting his feet because he explodes with every punch thrown. And because Canelo combines speed with power, he is limited to only a minute of offense for ever three minute round.

Floyd knows this and will let his hands go after every offensive burst that Canelo launches.

Unless he’s improved his offensive output while trying to cut off the ring, Canelo is in serious trouble on September 14th.

Posted August 28, 2013 6:07 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

you have no idea what you’re talking about here…a man with the character of Austin Trout is not going to make any public gripes and try to devalue his opponent’s victory in public.

Austin’s a great guy and would never sour a potential opportunity to face Canelo, one of the biggest stars in boxing, knowing that the Mexican champ could have his choice of opposition.

Once again, your ignorance of the business end of boxing leads you to the wrong conclusion.

Posted August 28, 2013 6:02 pm 


Miami

I meant try to apply pressure.

Posted August 28, 2013 5:38 pm 


Hidalgo

“1. He popped Floyd really good… 2. Floyd was on rubbery legs and he didn’t follow up well… ”

Tark, don’t you think the ref should have broken them up when Mayweather was hanging on Shane? I mean, it was smart of Floyd to do that, but I was really expecting the ref to step in and break them up. A man can’t swing when his opponent is hanging on his arm.

Posted August 28, 2013 5:31 pm 


Miami

@Joseph Herron

Canelo is not an effective attacker.
But he will apply pressure; try to break his rhythm; cut the ring as good as Cotto did. He’s a fighter who combines his attacks fluently to both, head and body and that will be tough for Floyd and he will eat jabs, that’s for sure.

What do you think?

Posted August 28, 2013 5:27 pm 


TARK

@Herron.., Trout didn’t put any spin on it after the fight. He said the better man won. He praised Canelo. If you think you just got robbed you take a different tact than that. One score was off the charts — but one stupid judge doesn’t ruin a fight — it takes two.

I think Mosley really has a hard time getting grip on this fight.. He knows 3 things: 1. He popped Floyd really good… 2. Floyd was on rubbery legs and he didn’t follow up well… 3. Canelo can hit, and he can turn tiger when his opponent is hurt.

I think Mosley just wants to watch one of the greatest fights of our time and enjoy the action. He also knows Canelo is underrated.

I think that’s what’s giving Shane such a hard time in his analysis. He has a great relationship with both Floyd and Canelo … so friendship has nothing to do with it.

Canelo doesn’t give a damn what Mosley thinks… But if Shane picked Canelo and Floyd won??? Floyd would probably remind Shane of that.

Posted August 28, 2013 5:18 pm 


raygordonreid

esb lay OFF TELLING TO SLOW DOWN I;M GETTING tired of it

Posted August 28, 2013 5:09 pm 


TARK

BTW Old Yank.., It’s no trouble to go 12 rounds against a light hitter if you’re winning all the way. That was Hearns-Hill.

What causes you grief is getting smashed by big hitters like Hagler and Barkley.. One is a walk in the park.. The other 2 are disasters.

Maybe for you a drive to the airport is trouble… It could be if you have to go in the middle of a football game you want to watch.

In the context of a China-chinned boxer’s professional life, going 12 rounds is a good thing if you’re winning. It means you’re fighting a 12-round fighter, which means money, and you’re getting a lot of rounds in — which is also good… Trouble is something negative that happens to you. When good things happen they’re not trouble.

I had Hearns winning by 5 points.. I’m sure everyone was surprised by 2 of the scores. Including Hill … but it was a UD and not really too much in question.

Posted August 28, 2013 5:03 pm 


Joseph Herron

Floyd right now is about a 2.5:1 favorite…expect the odds to fluxuate once the weigh in takes place.

Posted August 28, 2013 5:01 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark: Shane Mosley said.., “I can’t pick a winner. The fight is too damned close.”

Canelo’s working out at his facility and sparring with his son…what do you think he’s going to say?

Posted August 28, 2013 4:58 pm 


raygordonreid

JOSEPH HERRON WHAT;S THE ODDS ON MONEY CANELO

Posted August 28, 2013 4:57 pm 


raygordonreid

FLOYD CANELO COMMING FOR you

Posted August 28, 2013 4:52 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tark,

i spent a lot of time with Austin and trainer Louie Burke during the week of the fight, and Austin was very confident going into the fight with Canelo.

He said what he said after the bout, because Burke and Trout were expecting a very aggressive Canelo Alvarez and instead got a retreating, defensive minded opponent. Austin was very respectful.

They prepared for every scenario in the ring, like most fighters at that level, but Austin Trout has never been an effective aggressor. Credit to Canelo and Chepo for seeing that in the Cotto fight. The only rounds in which Cotto was effective were the rounds he decided to box Austin.

Another factor that most don’t know about was the condition of the ring canvas that night. it greatly affected the punch output of both men. Both Austin and Canelo spoke of how bad the ring canvas was that night, which made it really difficult to throw punches with any impact whatsoever.

But after the fight, Austin was showing no ill effects like he was beaten down or even hurt during the fight. Austin said that he felt he really won the fight. he was the busier man and the aggressor throughout the majority of the fight.

Austin also stated that he was shocked when he saw the judges scorecards before the final third of the bout. He sincerely thought he won most of the rounds, minus the 2 point round with the knock-down.

He wants to fight the winner of the Mayweather/Canelo bout…he said he would even take on Erislandy for that mandatory spot…anything to get his belt back.

Posted August 28, 2013 4:50 pm 


TARK

If Trout wasn’t scared of Canelo he was certainly wary of him… Trout got shook up with those right uppercut counters… Austin wasn’t bullying Canelo like he did Cotto. When Trout got knocked down in the 7th is the only time he got desperate and took any chances. He tried to get Canelo coming in but couldn’t lay an effective glove on him.. He tried all night to get a hard head shot on him with no dice.

Trout.., “The better fighter won” and “His speed, defense, and head movement surprised me. I was shocked. I was really shocked.”

People have a tendency to look at Canelo’s red hair, baby face, and freckles and think, “This kid is young. He looks soft. He doesn’t have his man strength yet. I’m going to school him and man handle him.”

Shane Mosley said.., “I can’t pick a winner. The fight is too damned close.”

Posted August 28, 2013 4:24 pm 


Old Yank

I don’t think Trout panicked — a couple of great shots he ate shook him up – but he dod not fight a panicked bout. Trout fought a fairly well contained bout and but for the 7th round knockdown, my score card would have been dead even. Al Bernstein’s card was 114-114. Trout did not adjust as well as Canelo did and it cost him the bout. I don’t think it came down to panic – I think it came down to Canelo fighting the better bout that night.

Posted August 28, 2013 4:16 pm 


PEEJ

Actually Trout was the one pressing the action because once Canelo heard those score cards after the first 4 rounds he was playing defense. I seriously doubt Trout was scared of Canelo

Posted August 28, 2013 4:03 pm 


Kenny Hemlock

Au contraire PEEJ, young Canelo did indeed make Trout pay for each and every mistake he made. And the currency he made him pay with was fear. Once Trout realized Canelo was not what he had been antiquated, or what he he had trained and prepared to face, panic mode set in and substantively he become very recumbent and wary of leading and once Canelo, like all predators, sensed that fear he punched on it and fed of it, thus growing in confluence and sapping all of Trout’s in the process. Trout became transfected, standing there like a rabbi in the headlights. And it was at this juncture the game plan went out of the window and that the fight was as good as won, bearing unforeseen circumferences like a freak injury or something.

Posted August 28, 2013 3:50 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Fight Aficionado – That’s ONLY due to Canelo’s size and power, he has ZERO experience against the ELITE and ZERO experience against crafty defensive fighters with a tremendously responsive offense…Floyd is simply LEAGUES above anyone Canelo’s ever faced.” – Titotopia, agreed. It’s a huge stepup for Canelo, some would say he needed another year to marinate. I’m glad they’re doing it now though. Canelo is talented enough to make it interesting as long as he stays aggressive. But Floyd’s appropriately a 2.5/1 favorite for the reasons you cited.

Posted August 28, 2013 3:50 pm 


PEEJ

And yes the fight could of gone either way. Canelo did not clearly box Trout.

Posted August 28, 2013 3:41 pm 


PEEJ

I have already addressed those issues. And saying they had them filled out before the fight is just a saying. I know they didn’t. But that doesn’t change the fact that Canelo was the favored house fighter and normally when that happens he gets the benefit of the doubt in most of the rounds. Just like Pac did in the 3rd Marquez fight. Or just like Judah and Alexander did against Matthysse. And I thought the Alexander and the Judah fights where both close. I thought Judah clearly lost though and the Alexander fight could of gone either way. The rounds Matthysse won were very clear but the rounds Alexander won were very close. And like I said he was the house fighter.

Posted August 28, 2013 3:39 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

“Yes Tark they did have those cards filled out before hand. That was a very close fight that could of gone either way.”

NO, they did NOT have the cards filled out before hand. That is against the basic rules and regulations of judging in pro boxing. And any judge doing that would be banned from the sport for life.

One of the judges was way off the mark and I thought it was closer than one of the other judges. But we see poor judging ALL THE TIME in pro boxing. I don’t hear PEEJ complaining about the gift-wrapped home cooked decisions that Alexander and Judah received over Matthysse.

It was close fight, yes… but it could NOT have gone either way. Canelo clearly outboxed Trout in most rounds and landed the cleaner MUCH harder shots throughout the fight. Canelo knocked him down once (10-8 round) and wobbled Trout 2-3 other times. Trout didn’t land any hard, meaningful shots. Not one of the commentators or judges thought Trout won the fight.

Perhaps most importantly, Trout openly and honestly admitted that Canelo beat him in the post-fight interview. And he was the one taking those power shots, so he knows better than any fan who watched it on TV. Real talk.

Posted August 28, 2013 3:33 pm 


Got the beat

Tark, Trout didnt whip the shlt out of old Cotto

Posted August 28, 2013 3:26 pm 


PEEJ

And if the score cards where never read we would of seen a different Canelo and a different Trout. We would of seen the come forward Canelo which is what he does in pretty much all his fights but that one and also a countering Trout which is what type of fighter he is.

Posted August 28, 2013 3:11 pm 


I see Good

Its Me Ernie and PEEJ What I did notice when TROUT fought Canelo. Was CANELO made TROUT pay in spades when Canelo went to the BODY, it was MAGIC to watch, TROUT was hurt 7 times. If Canelo had NOT gone to the body like he did, TROUT would of WON easily, TROUT was SCARED to let his FEATHER FISTED hands go, because HE FELT the POWER. Just like CHERRYPICKER WILL!!!!!!!. Trout is NO JOKE hes a TOUGH SON OF A BITICH I give him credit for that and WAS UNDEAFTED before he set into the RING with the CINNIMON BULL. And TROUT show the WORLD a new Micheal Jackson step (Moon walk) in the 7th.

Posted August 28, 2013 3:04 pm 


Old Yank

Making someone pay for missing pounches is what a counter-puncher playing off your mistakes lives for. If Canelo/Mayweather comes down to Canelo needing Mayweather to make mistakes in order to capitalize on counter-punching, then Canelo is TOAST!

Posted August 28, 2013 2:59 pm 


PEEJ

Yes Tark they did have those cards filled out before hand. That was a very close fight that could of gone either way. Yeah Trout was knocked down. I have seen many fighters come back to win after a knockdown. And like I said after the score cards where read where they had Canelo up by 4 rounds already had him play more defense and Trout be more aggressive. Something he is not used to doing. I bet if the cards where never read that it would of been a different outcome. But unfortuntely we where robbed of that because of the dumb WBC rules.

Posted August 28, 2013 2:57 pm 


Old Yank

TARK — You often say some great stuff and then out of the blue something really dumb comes out of your mouth. Almost by definition, a man picking up rounds and forcing you to go the distance presents more trouble to you than the man you roll over via winning nearly every round or dispense with via KO early.

Posted August 28, 2013 2:56 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Yup, Peej has got the beat…

Posted August 28, 2013 2:14 pm 


Got the beat

Peej has got the beat!

Posted August 28, 2013 12:56 pm 


PEEJ

Canelo did not make Trout pay for each punch he missed. And what happened was Canelo went more defens and Trout is not an offensive fighter so he looked out of his element. Canelo had that luxury because of the already filled out score cards by 2 of the judges. Canelo has only fought 1 real Jr Middle and that was Trout. Canelo is not knocking every Jr Welter and Welter out so I don’t think he will be able to KO Floyd. Not to mention he has a stamina issue and if it has not been fixed in 40 fights. It will never be fixed. Once Floyd starts jabbing that body it will be the beginning of the end.

Posted August 28, 2013 12:31 pm 


George

Canelo does NOT have defense and his head movement is simply zero.

He will slow down same as all fighters when he realize that he has no chance but to get knock out if he risk to get good punches.

Posted August 28, 2013 11:59 am 


jojo

Floyd93, agree, a mismatch.

Posted August 28, 2013 10:12 am 


BUSTAJAY

FLOYD SR is 100 perfect correct and funny as hell. If Shane is still friendly with SR he might feed some info to the Floyd camp but as stated they know all they need to beat this guy as is now.

Posted August 28, 2013 10:10 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Speaking of Mulligans, I’ve been really getting into Gaelic dark magic recently. An acquaintance of mine lent me a copy of the Irish Book of the Dead: The NecroMulligan.

Posted August 28, 2013 9:44 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Tark is who? I sincerely hope there’s no truth to that. Physically he’s just how I imaged he would look, and whilst I knew he was a very strange individual indeed and a sexual deviant, one never would’ve pegged him to stoop that low.

Posted August 28, 2013 9:39 am 


Got the beat

Oh yeah everybody got a spy up at Big Bear and many of cabins have cameras installed by the previous renters. Santos Alvarez is now staying Mosley’s place, which doesnt come with its own spy detection.

Posted August 28, 2013 9:34 am 


R.A.G.

”you should get banned from ESB” BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
My dear Izabel…dream on…

Posted August 28, 2013 9:23 am 


Anonymous

Turbo oh come on! It WAS you… I know it. ;-)

Posted August 28, 2013 9:09 am 


BUSTAJAY

I will try not to laugh at the fake TARK now that I know he is crazy…..but man that crap is FUNNY….

Posted August 28, 2013 9:09 am 


BUSTAJAY

The best right in boxing is useless if you never get to land it on the other boxer. Floyd will not fall into the trap.

This fight will be a breakdown of the young kid from Rd 5 to 12.

I don’t see Floyd needing a spy in the other camp and the tape shows Floyd all he needs to know to walk through 12 rds with the young buck.

Posted August 28, 2013 9:07 am 


Got the beat

Yep Tark/Onepunch loves his politics as did Supreme Court/The President.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:33 am 


Fighting Words

I think this is going to be a good fight. If Mayweather moves a lot that is going to play right into Canelo hands. In reality Mayweather is a Jr WW and Canelo does his best with Jr WW because that’s all he have been fighting. Mayweather struggle with fighters that throws combinations. Mayweather have not been in a fight, do mean actually fight in years. He is really not a power puncher, just pot shot you and move. I am looking for Canelo to walk him down and get to Mayweather by the 8th with a KO, the size and combination is going to overwhelm him.

Posted August 28, 2013 8:28 am 


Anonymous

Tark lives in California

Posted August 28, 2013 6:29 am 


Anonymous

Jokes like that are NOT funny, turbo!!!!

Posted August 28, 2013 6:28 am 


Tark=Frank Mulligan

In case you haven`t worked it out yet.

Posted August 28, 2013 6:20 am 


Floyd93

A mismatch

Posted August 28, 2013 4:37 am 


Floyd93

Canelo’s overhyped he is not ready for Floyd.

Posted August 28, 2013 4:36 am 


Joseph Herron

Who do you guys think “The Mole” is that Floyd Sr is referring to?

My guess is that it’s Sugar Shane…lol

Posted August 28, 2013 4:20 am 


Chuck Winterhawk

Yeah Bobby, pretty much been that way ever since they sold the lounge to you know who.

Posted August 28, 2013 12:26 am 


TARK

Ernie.., You can drop stone dead and It will be your top achievement. You’re as interesting as watching a dead bug dry and nothing but a perpetual nuisance.

Posted August 28, 2013 12:23 am 


Bobby da boxer

Impersonators? Oh quit actin like like ya didnt know ninety nine percent of the comments on these comment pages are commented by like five guys workin overtime just to chuck & jive to past the time.

Posted August 28, 2013 12:13 am 


Ray

Hi everyone, just found this on an article and wanted to ask and see how much of this do you all think is true??:——–>

“Floyd Mayweather Sr. isn’t particularly concerned about the rumors. Matter of fact, he doesn’t even find them credible. That’s because Sr. might actually have a SPY embedded in Alvarez’s camp.

“It’s a bunch of BS,” Floyd Sr. declared to Chris Robinson. “That’s all it is, a bunch of BS. … I’m getting knowledge myself of what’s going on. I’m getting a whole bunch of knowledge about what’s going on. He tells his trainers what to do and his weight is still way up there. Like I said, none of that stuff is true they’re talking about.”

Posted August 28, 2013 12:02 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Lol Brother Ernie. I knew right off the bat you were an Estefan fan too. I bet you love to put on the cans and kick back and chillax to Jean Michel Jarre’s Equinoxe on occasion too.

Posted August 27, 2013 11:44 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

You nailed me Tard. All sarcastic posts on ESB about you are from me. I impersonate 8-10 different folks at a time. Your conspiracy theories are almost as weak as Lyin Queen’s…

Posted August 27, 2013 11:18 pm 


Johnny rosin

Yep, a Supreme fudgepacker.

Posted August 27, 2013 11:17 pm 


JWales

Bioengineering poopaganda, supremashlt, and a hand full of jiz

Posted August 27, 2013 11:04 pm 


TARK

Canelo’s right lead is quick… It carries a lot more power than Floyd’s.. This is one of the main things Floyd has been working on in training camp.. He doesn’t want to get hit with a lot of quick slick jabs like he did in his Cotto fight — or a right lead that lands on the button like Trout got hit with.

He’s not as big and strong as Trout… and if he gets nailed like that with a straight right … he might not get up.

Posted August 27, 2013 10:16 pm 


I see Good

OLD YANK When CANELO hits cherrypicker with HIS THUNDEROUS RIGHT HAND LEAD. Your Cherrypickers ASS will be hitting the CANVAS. Cherrypicker has NO POWER in RIGHT HAND LEAD compared to Canelo. Gee man get with the plan.

Posted August 27, 2013 10:02 pm 


TARK

Supreme Court.., That’s a pretty good discription of Idiot Ernie

Posted August 27, 2013 8:31 pm 


Tyrone Jones

Hmm…you sound more like a Supremacist court incessantly marketing something paranoid of truth.

Posted August 27, 2013 6:55 pm 


TARK

I went off Tommy when I offered to help him with his stance and instead he gave me an envelope full of pubes.

Posted August 27, 2013 5:48 pm 


de Lima I.

That’s laughable, I’m not the troll.

But I know who you are R.A.G. alias Simon alias Tj, etc.!
You really hate me since you got banned, don’t you? Get over it.
Actually you should get banned from ESB too.

You gotta get your facts right before coming out with statements like “Hell he was faster than a speeding bullet.”

And please read Old Yank’s posts thoroughly. We could all learn something from him.

Posted August 27, 2013 5:45 pm 


de Lima I.

That’s laughable, I’m not the troll.

But I know who you! are R.A.G. alias Simon alias Tj, etc.
You really hate me since you got banned, don’t you? Get over it.
Actually you should get banned from ESB too.

You gotta get your facts right before coming out with statements like “Hell he was faster than a speeding bullet.”

And please read Old Yank’s posts thoroughly. We could all learn something from him.

Posted August 27, 2013 5:35 pm 


TARK

Old Yank… you say “If you were on your feet and picking up 4 or 5 rounds AND taking Hearns the distance, you were making him work and giving him trouble!”

It can be trouble to go the distance. Austin Trout was way behind in his Canelo Alvarez fight … That IS trouble because you need to win ALL the rounds.

But a distance fight isn’t necessrily trouble… Not when you’re winning.. When guys were smashing Tommy into the canvas — that was trouble.

Posted August 27, 2013 5:25 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

I was lucky enough to be at that bout. The post fight comments about getting buzzed by Kinchen were hilarious, “I was holding onto him like he was my woman”!…lol

Posted August 27, 2013 4:54 pm 


Old Yank

Kinchen was not a power puncher either — he just made Hearns work and disrupted his ability to set things up. Hill made Hearns work and disrupted his ability to set things up. READ: Gave Hearns trouble.

Posted August 27, 2013 4:26 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Burrito Supreme Court-

Please adjust your foil helmet…

Posted August 27, 2013 4:25 pm 


Old Yank

TARK — Most folks saw the Hearns/Hill bout as fairly close. Remember, I believe between Hearns’ quick KO of Duran and his distance bout with Hill, 9 of his next 12 wins came via KO inside 8 (and most of those inside 4). If you were on your feet and picking up 4 or 5 rounds AND taking Hearns the distance, you were making him work and giving him trouble!

Posted August 27, 2013 4:23 pm 


Anonymous

turbo hamster or gonzo

Posted August 27, 2013 4:08 pm 


TARK

Hill didn’t give Tommy trouble…

Hill was a powder-puff puncher who Roy Jones took out early with one shot. Even Michalcwezski beat Hill and Julio Gonzalez bet Michalcweski. Julio Gonzalez was one of the slowest LHW Champs of all time.

The guys who gave Hearns problems were strong guys who could box and punch really hard… That’s why Tommy avoided them like a sandy beach during a hurricane.

Posted August 27, 2013 4:06 pm 


Anonymous

fake TARK is turbo hamster as always

Posted August 27, 2013 4:05 pm 


Supreme Court

Folks,
Have you noticed whenever there are It’s Me Ernie; Gonzo the Dragonborn, and Anonymou$ on a given thread, there are impersonators?

( Un trio demoniaque qui pourrait en fait etre simplifie et dont le profile de sociopathe sied tres bien a l’activite sur ESB)

Posted August 27, 2013 4:04 pm 


Old Yank

Although speed kills, in my view Hearns generated his KO power via setting up his shots really, really well. He was not a speed demon in my view. Indeed he was fast, but not a speed demon. Barkley, Hill and Kinchen, none of them known for their speed, all gave Hearns issues because they disrupted his ability to set things up. It is difficult to disrupt a speed demon because they are too fast to be disrupted.

Posted August 27, 2013 3:55 pm 


real time

TARK- dude you have waaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands. You are addicted to ESB, you need to take a break!!! :-)

Posted August 27, 2013 3:55 pm 


TARK

Hearns was a cherry-picker to beat all cherry-pickers… Worse than Leonard

Posted August 27, 2013 3:33 pm 


TARK

Actually 2 of the last 5 are really mine

Posted August 27, 2013 3:31 pm 


Tnt

I will say it again :

I want everybody to sit down and think about this for a minute:

A) their tactic against floyd will be to use his own style against him. Think about it. This is like straight out of a movie script from the 80s.
SKILLS (Whitaker)

B) his articles and fights garner the most attention (Ali)

C) he is undefeated (Marciano)

D) he is one of the highest grossing boxers of all time ( Tyson)

E) undoubtedly one of the best amateur records of all time!

HE IS THE GREATEST IF ALL TIME

Posted August 27, 2013 3:37 am

Posted August 27, 2013 3:30 pm 


R.A.G.

Correction: 4

Posted August 27, 2013 3:11 pm 


R.A.G.

Last 3 posts are not from Tark!! Im sure it’s deLima!!

Posted August 27, 2013 3:10 pm 


TARK

Can anyone imagine the super slow Barkley tagging Floyd Mayweather Jr., the best defender of all time?

Never in a million years… At least Alvarez is many times more skilled than Barkley — who knocked TFO of Tommy.

Posted August 27, 2013 3:08 pm 


TARK

Who is sooooo ssslloooow they get KTFO by Iran Barkley???

Not Michael Nunn… Not Sumbu Kalambay… Not Nigel Benn… Not James Toney… They all whipped Barkley with little effort.

But then came Tommy…

Posted August 27, 2013 3:01 pm 


T

Mayweather faces the best… Tommy cherry-picked the rest.

And still got KTF FLAT!!!!!

Posted August 27, 2013 2:46 pm 


Gonzalez

R.A.G!

Tark is obviously biased…

Posted August 27, 2013 2:26 pm 


Old Yank

When we watch Mayweather landing the right lead on Canelo, it will be virtually the same thing as the fat lady singing.

Posted August 27, 2013 2:23 pm 


Old Man

told ya! Tard’s a bigoted man

Posted August 27, 2013 1:35 pm 


R.A.G.

TARK are you serious?? Are you saying… I’m wrong, Tommy would NOT be as fast as Mayweather???

Posted August 27, 2013 1:32 pm 


TARK

Tommy would have had to grow a pair to face Mike McCallum, Michael Nunn, Reggie Johnson, or James Toney.

Whoa baby!!! They would work that China-chin something fierce. Apparently even the oft KO’d Terry Norris had a tougher chin than Tommy… Judging from their fights with Leonard.

Posted August 27, 2013 1:26 pm 


TARK

How quick do you have to be to let Leonard, Hagler, and Barkley find your chin, and score brutal KO victories over you before you turn 30??? … and then avoid every great boxer-puncher at 160?

Posted August 27, 2013 1:16 pm 


Boxing Barlow

Argreed MATTYSSE beats GARCIA

Posted August 27, 2013 1:14 pm 


raygordonreid

I;VE GOT MATTYSSE OVER GARCIA ESB QUIT TELLING ME TO SLOW DOWN

Posted August 27, 2013 1:09 pm 


R.A.G.

Still NO answer from TARK…grow a pair!!!

Posted August 27, 2013 1:04 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Who doesn’t love Gloria? After all, her ballad “Coming Out of the Dark”(Desde La Oscuridad) was legendary.
It lost something in the translation causing Tark to “Come Out of the Closet”. It was rough going for a while for the self proclaimed “boxing pundit”, but in the long run he is in such a better place in his life now because of it…

Posted August 27, 2013 1:03 pm 


butch the pitbull

nameless go take a flying leap

Posted August 27, 2013 12:31 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Gloria María Milagrosa Fajardo García de Estefan, known professionally as Gloria Estefan (born September 1, 1957) is a Cuban-born American singer, songwriter, actress and entrepreneur. She is in the top 100 best selling music artists with an estimated 100 million records sold worldwide, 1.5 million of those in the United States alone. She has won seven Grammy Awards and is the most successful crossover performer in Latin music to date.

Estefan was born Gloria María Milagrosa Fajardo on September 1, 1957 in Havana, Cuba, to Jose and Gloria Fajardo. Her maternal grandfather, Leonardo García, immigrated to Cuba from Pola de Siero, Asturias, Spain, where he married Gloria’s maternal grandmother, originally from Logroño, Spain. Prior to the Cuban Revolution, her father was a Cuban soldier and a bodyguard to Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. The Fajardo family fled to Miami, Florida as a result of the Cuban Revolution and settled down there. Shortly after they moved to the United States, Gloria’s father joined the U.S. military and fought in the Vietnam War and moved to Houston, Texas, also having participated in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion. Gloria attended St. Michael-Archangel School and Our Lady of Lourdes Academy in Miami. Her father became ill after returning from Vietnam and Gloria helped her mother, Gloria Fajardo, care for him. Her mother worked as a schoolteacher for the Dade County Public School system. Gloria Estefan graduated from college in 1979 with a B.A. in psychology, with a minor in French, from the University of Miami. When she was studying at the university, she worked as an English/Spanish/French translator at Miami International Airport Customs Department and, because of her language abilities, was once approached by the CIA as a possible employee.[ Estefan was raised Catholic.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:03 pm 


mayweather 86

While this is all very amusing. I have to ask zera where exactly did you learn math? 3+1 equals 4. Not 6. Nice try on the theory tho.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:01 pm 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

This is the real TARK, the other TARK is the fake one.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:00 pm 


Old Man

Tard’s a bigoted man.

Posted August 27, 2013 11:35 am 


TIC TOC

fLOYD MAYweather is a clown and always was;;; chumpmoney maybum the cherryman

Posted August 27, 2013 11:04 am 


Lenin

Wow, the trolling here is out of control. Mods, time to regain control.

Posted August 27, 2013 10:49 am 


Hidalgo

From Paul’s second pastoral epistle to Timothy:

““But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away.”

Nice to meet you, Correctamundo.

Posted August 27, 2013 10:47 am 


Hidalgo

Just for you sissymundo:

Jeremiah 9:23 – Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise [man] glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty [man] glory in his might, let not the rich [man] glory in his riches:

Galatians 6:14 – But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Posted August 27, 2013 10:35 am 


Anonymou$

Please come back as the old SREDMOND…

Posted August 27, 2013 10:34 am 


Hidalgo

Correctamundo’s been “saved.” LMFAO!

Posted August 27, 2013 10:27 am 


Hidalgo

“CORRECTAMUNDO, I won’t give you much credit for beating Hidalgo because anybody can beat an a$shole.”

You must beat yourself daily, nameless.

Posted August 27, 2013 10:25 am 


BRUCE

EVERYONE IN BOXING TODAY IS A LEGEND.

Posted August 27, 2013 9:31 am 


Zuks

So Floyd must now go to 168…..Hahahahahahahaha!

Sbhanxa abanye abantu

Posted August 27, 2013 8:48 am 


Haimat

I’d be up for discussing Floyd as GOAT if he beats Canelo, Sergio Martinez and then spanks Ward at 168. Until then I won’t discuss it.

Posted August 27, 2013 8:32 am 


TARK

TNT – for sure Floyd would be the Greatest lay of all time.

I`d spank that little Welterweight booty while working him with the reacharound.

He has a fantastic technical brain too, so you know he`d come up with something special in terms of felching or rimming too.

You know what, I think I have to crack one off, will be back in 10 mins.

Posted August 27, 2013 6:00 am 


TARK

You know how much Thai Tranny I could get for 1K? A guy has to try.

Posted August 27, 2013 5:57 am 


Tnt

I want everybody to sit down and think about this for a minute:

A) their tactic against floyd will be to use his own style against him. Think about it. This is like straight out of a movie script from the 80s.
SKILLS (Whitaker)

B) his articles and fights garner the most attention (Ali)

C) he is undefeated (Marciano)

D) he is one of the highest grossing boxers of all time ( Tyson)

E) undoubtedly one of the best amateur records of all time!

HE IS THE GREATEST IF ALL TIME

Posted August 27, 2013 3:37 am 


Harold Lederman

CORRECTAMUNDO employing the divine defence in this one Jim.

Can`t say I`m a fan of it since Vegas judges see it as pretentious, and have usually been snorting coke off a hooker prefight.

I got whacked out on the fumes from Don Kings hair last week, and ended up talking to god about judging.

He told me he`ll score a 10-8 round against a guy for NOT taking a knee.

Posted August 27, 2013 2:43 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“You are so WRONG. “-Nope. I am SO CORRECT. I THANK God that he made HIMSELF the Judge instead of YOU. Therefore I remain saved and there’s nothing you can say here to change it.

Posted August 27, 2013 2:32 am 


zera

I have a theory…

If canelo wins there would be a rematch, in the rematch FMJ would win,
thus there will be a third fight, which will be the biggest boxing event and will fulfill FMJ’s contract with showtime… fix? i dnt know.. it’s just the way i see it…

but still, FMJ via SD

Posted August 27, 2013 2:26 am 


nameless

CORRECTAMUNDO, I won’t give you much credit for beating Hidalgo because anybody can beat an a$shole.

Posted August 27, 2013 2:09 am 


Kenny Hemlock

Interesting interview with Canelo Alvarez here.

After the final press conference concluded, Saul “Canelo” Alvarez took the time to partake in brief one-on-one interviews. I had the unique privilege to sit down with the Mexican superstar to get his perspective on the upcoming fight against Floyd Mayweather.

Here’s a transcript of the questions and answers that were discussed with Saul Alvarez.

Steve Lopez: “Canelo, how are you feeling with just a few more weeks left for the fight?”

Saul Alvarez: “I’m ready, I’m ready. I prepared myself very well. Ready for anything. Obviously, we all come with the mentality of winning and that’s what I’m here for.

Steve Lopez: “How are you as far as weight?

Saul Alvarez: “Really well. I eat just enough to maintain the weight. Everything is great.”

Steve Lopez: “Is this the toughest opponent you’ve faced in your career?”

Saul Alvarez: “The toughest opponent is always the one that’s coming. Floyd Mayweather is the one that’s next. So, yes, he’s the toughest. I think stylistically Austin Trout presented more probelms for me though”

Steve Lopez: “What would you say is the best weapon Mayweather has?”

Saul Alvarez: “Well, his experience for one. He’s also awkward and difficult. That’s his best weapon.”

Steve Lopez: “How will you approach him?”

Saul Alvarez: “When we get in the ring, we will see how we will fight him. Right now, we have a strategy, but everything changes when we get inside the squared circle.”

Steve Lopez: “He defeated your idol Oscar De La Hoya. Is this a motivation for you?”

Saul Alvarez: “It’s one of my motivations for me. But, obviously, I have to approach the fight intelligently and focus on him.”

Steve Lopez: “Have you spoken with Oscar? Has he given you any advice or tips on how to fight him?”

Saul Alvarez: “Well, we’ve spoken, but not too much as far as advice goes. He knows my capabilities. He knows that I have everything to defeat him.”

Steve Lopez: ”Populations of three of India’s commonest griffon vultures have declined by more than ninety per cent during the last decade and since late 1999 ZSL has been working closely with Bombay Natural History Society (BNHS) and the RSPB to investigate this problem.”

Saul Alvarez: ”Juvenile long-billed vulture
Two of the three affected species, the Oriental white-backed and the long-billed vulture, once regarded as very common in India, are now listed as critically endangered by the IUCN – The World Conservation Union. The third affected species, the slender-billed vulture, has historically been uncommon, but now is regarded as extremely rare.

Steve Lopez: ”The problem was originally highlighted by Dr Vibhu Prakash, principal scientist of the BNHS. In the mid 1990s, Dr Prakash identified that the Oriental white-backed vulture and the long-billed vulture had declined by 96% and 97% respectively in Keoladeo National Park (KNP), Rajasthan, over a 10 year period.”

Saul Alvarez: ”He also noticed a marked increase in the mortality rate of both young and adult vultures in and around KNP, and that the birds appeared lethargic and sick with drooping heads for several weeks before death.”

Steve Lopez: ”Interestingly, both affected species are in the genus Gyps (often called ‘griffon’ vultures), while other (non-Gyps) species of vulture in and around KNP appeared to be unaffected. Similarly, other scavenging species (birds and mammals) were unaffected.”

Steve Lopez: “The latest story about the issue in Mexico regarding your brother. Does that bother you with your preparation?”

Saul Alvarez: “It doesn’t disturb me at all. Before my fight, they want to distract me with things that are not true. But, I’m used to it. It’s sort of a thing that has to happen now. I’m relaxed.”

Steve Lopez: “Thank you for your time Saul. And good luck in the fight”

Saul Alvarez: “Thank you. ”

Posted August 27, 2013 2:07 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

That’s called a MISMATCH in CORRECTAMUNDO’S favor. In FACT its a FARCE.

Posted August 27, 2013 1:57 am 


Hidalgo

“Next up, Hidalgo vs CORRECTAMUNDO.”

LMAO!

Posted August 27, 2013 1:27 am 


Pratt

At the end of all this Can and May will be going out to burgers together.

Posted August 27, 2013 1:11 am 


Tyrone Jones

I wonder why Golden Boy wanted Matthysse to contract with Al Haymon, especially when Haymon’s henchmen are rooting for Garcia to win? But then, Golden Boy YouTubes seem to favor Garcia too.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:52 am 


Turbo-Hamster

Now give me Max Kellermans job…

Posted August 27, 2013 12:52 am 


Joseph Herron

Biggest factor will be the technical prowess of Lucas Matthysse.

I don’t think Garcia realizes what a sharpshooter Lucas truly is. When he closes the distance and lets his hands go on the inside, Garcia will have no answers.

Matthysse doesn’t waste many punches and throws in combination very well. If you look at the fight against Humberto Soto, he applies intelligent pressure and picks him apart with clean accurate punching.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:32 am 


Joseph Herron

I just can’t see Garcia winning this one, guys.

I’m in full agreement with you guys. Lucas’ shots are much tighter and more compact while Garcia punches are looping and telegraphed.

I think this one is over early.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:30 am 


Tomato Can

Matthysse/Garcia is going to be a blast. To me this fight comes down to the fact Matthysse has been able to walk down everyone I’ve seen him fight, and Garcia though he can crack he seems to be easier to hit and he’s been hurt. I think this will be a coming out party for Lucas. But if Garcia pulls this out, I don’t think any of us will be able to bare what Angle has to say afterwords.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:23 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Tard and his boyfriend were walking down the street, Tard walked into a bar, and his boyfriend ducked…

Posted August 27, 2013 12:19 am 


Why can’t he be like SOG?

Maybe he waited so long because his rank as best defensive boxer has more to do with defending his 0 for even his own his own confession– “my opponents gotta have a blueprint to loose” and ” I’ll retire from boxing before boxing retires me”, prove he interested in taking risks like most other boxers.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:15 am 


Turbo-Hamster

I`m with Hidalgo on this one.

Matthysse has had more than one bad experience with letting things go to the cards, and it has affected his aggressiveness.

I`m not going to qualify things with lots of ifs and buts, my straight out prediction is Garcia wins first two rounds then Matthysse lights him up in the third when Garcia starts getting more confident.

Finish comes in the 4th with Garcia getting beaten against the ropes.

Angel Garcia then proclaims Matthysse to be his long lost son.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:14 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

lmao @ Harold Lederman…

Posted August 27, 2013 12:12 am 


Hidalgo

“Do you really think Matthysse will come out as the aggressor knowiing that Garcia is a great counterpuncher?”

Yes. Matthysse won’t be foolish but I suspect he’ll want to test Danny hard early on. Don’t forget, Lucas himself has said on numerous occasions, “I look for the opportunity, then I take it.” Danny showed a lot of holes in his defense in his fight with Judah. Judah fairly beat him up on the way to his own loss and Danny admitted as much–in so many words– after the fight. What Danny has never experienced is the KO power matched with the skill-set that Matthysse has. Lucas only needs to connect with one or two good shots and Danny is going down. I am certain Danny is well aware of this. This is why I expect him to come out relatively fast, then fight at a quick pace throughout the remainder of the bout.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:12 am 


Tomato Can

I really think Canelo might just pull this fight out. He has a lot advantages in this one, namely a huge size advantage. Maywaether has weak hands and probably won’t be able to get the kids respect without hurting them. As it stands I’m leaning slightly towards a Canelo win.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:11 am 


Why can’t he be like SOG?

Shields dont seem like a crony. What seems like cronycapitalism is all the Amazon.com like reviewers repeatedly giving rave reviews on a product that aint actually been selling so hot . After all Top Rank and Golden Boy been suing each other for inflating their PPVs because they think it will make more sheople flow toward their monopoly.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:10 am 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo-I was found by the church and saved by Jesus Christ. SO the poor lost soul is YOU.”

You are so WRONG. Try to remember that being a “Christian” really doesn’t make you better than anyone else nor does it give you the power to determine who is saved or who is not saved. Get closer to Jesus. You’ll understand. It’s clear you don’t know anything now because you brag too much and your narcissism borders on sickness. You’re supposed to be witnessing, not touting yourself every opportunity you get. It is clear that your faith has not healed you. For you, “saved” is not a reality. It’s only a word.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:05 am 


Harold Lederman

Okay Jim four rounds down in TARK vs Herron and we see Herron pushing the action and impressing the judges with his aggression.

TARK is talking to him in there, looking to set up the counter but this fight is running away from him while he is looking for that money punch.

I got this 40-36, Jim, and TARK is gonna have to change things up if he want to get back into this one.

Posted August 27, 2013 12:04 am 


Delk1

Floyd told me to tell you guys, I Woke up in a NEW BUGATTI!!!!LOL

Posted August 26, 2013 11:56 pm 


Duran

Garcia has not got a prayer v Matthysse, another brutal early KO for Matthysse.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:54 pm 


Joseph Herron

Not bad, Hidalgo

Do you really think Matthysse will come out as the aggressor knowiing that Garcia is a great counterpuncher?

Posted August 26, 2013 11:46 pm 


Joseph Herron

Floyd Jr is a little more difficult, but I have interviews with his dad all day long.

Edwin I have on archive and robert was just on the show last week.

Great stuff…he was going off on all of mikey’s critics who were drilling him for losing his title on the scale.

He also talks about Chino versus the problem…great stuff!!

Posted August 26, 2013 11:44 pm 


Hidalgo

“who do you think is going to be the aggressor in the outset of the Matthysse/Garcia bout and why?”

Allow me :)

Matthysse will be the aggressor as always. It is the only mode Matthysse knows. Matthysse is always an opportunist. He has supreme confidence in his power and his skills, but sometimes to the point of carelessness. He looks to connect early with power shots, when he can, analyzing his opponent’s reaction to them. If he senses that he has hurt Danny in the slightest, he will press even harder, looking for the opportunity to take Danny out, because Lucas knows he has anvil fists. Matthysse is not the kind of guy who wants to box 12 rounds to a decision.

I believe Danny will start out fast with a lot of movement, and a lot of punches–but from a distance. It won’t be immediate but he’ll be swinging a lot by the end of the first Round. He’ll continue at a good rate because he’s going to have to in order to keep Matthysse at bay. Lucas will not let him rest. Since Danny is more of a technician, he will also look to time Matthysse’s punches because he knows that Lucas has a tendency to be hasty and to lunge. Lucas also often leans way out over his lead foot when he’s throwing power punches, leaving himself wide-open for an uppercut or a looping left hook.. Especially early in the fight. Danny can capitalize on these faults early, and possibly earn some respect from Matthysse by tagging him with numerous good sharp shots by the time they enter the 4th round. Danny needs to land as many power shots as possible early in the fight–no one has taken Matthysse to task in that area–who knows what punishment he really can sustain?

Posted August 26, 2013 11:43 pm 


BUSTAJAY

TRUE, have you ever called the show? Please call. You will see you sit on hold because PEOPLE CALL THIS SHOW……I bet you have never called……so if not then how can you make a decision based on no facts…..gezzzzzzzzz

Posted August 26, 2013 11:36 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Hidalgo-I was found by the church and saved by Jesus Christ. SO the poor lost soul is YOU.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:34 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

CORRECTION. …Hear what he has to say..

Posted August 26, 2013 11:32 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Herron lets here what Garcia has to say since he’s training Rios and one of the Top 5 Boxers in the World Mikey Garcia.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:31 pm 


Hidalgo

Interviews:

Joseph, I’m always up for an interview with Robert Garcia. I would like to know the next three fighters he would like to see Mikey face and who he thinks would currently be Mikey’s toughest opponent. I’d also like a discussion with Robert about his philosophy for defense and his techniques and methods for teaching defense to his fighters.

I’d like you to get into a discussion with Rodriguez about his title and championship hopes, when he expects to fight for a major title and who he would like his next two opponents to be. He’s undefeated, has a decent KO record and I think he’s better than he gets recognition for.

I’d like you to ask Floyd Mayweather Jr. why he carries around a bag of $1 mil cash and why he thinks he needs to flaunt his wealth so often. I’d like to know why Floyd continues to only fight twice a year, even though he rarely takes any noteworthy punishment in his fights.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:28 pm 


Hidalgo

“GOOD guess but I’m a found and saved soul ”

Found and saved soul? Found and saved by who?

Posted August 26, 2013 11:16 pm 


AnOn

True is TARK

Posted August 26, 2013 11:14 pm 


True

You fawn over anyone in boxing.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:11 pm 


True

Get the hits on the website, it’s good for advertising, people are not dumb, phoney, plastic, fake, rubbish.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:09 pm 


Joseph Herron

And the idea that you think soon to be Hall of Fame trainer Ronnie Shields is a cronie? wow…thanks for that!!

Posted August 26, 2013 11:08 pm 


Joseph Herron

Speak for yourself, True

We get over a thousand archive listens every week…and that’s just Sunday’s show, brother.

Surprisingly enough, the Sunday show does much better than the Tuesday night show, which is shocking to me.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:07 pm 


True

Herron gang up with his cronies on his talkshow, that’s fair, breaking news, no one wants to talk to you on your show, believe it or not.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:02 pm 


Joseph Herron

True,

please repeat in English? What did I say?

Posted August 26, 2013 10:58 pm 


Joseph Herron

Well Tark,

who do you think is going to be the aggressor in the outset of the Matthysse/Garcia bout and why?

Let’s get back to talking about boxing, shall we?

Also, I’m going to do an interview piece…what do you guys want to read about tomorrow morning?

I’ve got interviews that are still current with Robert Garcia, Deontay Wilder, Bermane Stiverne, Harold Lederman, Edwin Rodriguez, and many others…what do you guys want to read about tomorrow morning?

Posted August 26, 2013 10:56 pm 


True

Herron hangs on good posters coat tails on ESB, thinks he something, like with the remark he said, you would have to rob a bank to afford the bottle of expensive whiskey I am drinking, that said it all.

Posted August 26, 2013 10:50 pm 


milton

Lets go Canelo, rid us of this bug…………………

Posted August 26, 2013 10:47 pm 


AnOn

highest Court

R.A.G. lol

because TARK is 70+ !! He should know it…but obviously HE DON’T!!

TARK ALWAYS cherry pick the questions …

EXACTY!!!!!! HE DONT HAVE THE BA!!S TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 10:43 pm 


AnOn

and Pulev was going to beat Thompson..

NO TARK DID NOT!!! HAVE THE BA¨¨S TO PREDICT PULEV IN THE WEEK BEFORE THE FIGHT!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 10:40 pm 


CORRECTAMUNDO

“You poor, lost soul, with nothing better to do than brag about yourself.”-Nope. GOOD guess but I’m a found and saved soul who thoroughly enjoys telling the TRUTH and stating the FACTS about Boxing and I will continue to DO it. And I will also continue to celebrate each and every one of my CORRECT calls…What someone’s OPINION is about it is no factor in that.

Posted August 26, 2013 10:40 pm 


AnOn

HERRON IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!

Herron says.., “You’re one of those guys who doesn’t listen to what anyone else is saying in context, and merely waits for your turn to write and disagree.”

Posted August 26, 2013 10:39 pm 


AnOn

BUSTAJAY

TARK HAS NO BAllS

Posted August 26, 2013 10:32 pm 


Das

youtube.com/watch?v=mjnSAATCOoc

Posted August 26, 2013 10:26 pm 


BUSTAJAY

TARK
you been busting bubbles and balls on this site for years. I am highly disappointed that you would put a PRICE on your own therapy here that you do daily for free.
ANSWER THE CALL…..I FOR ONE WANT TO SEE THIS TAKE PLACE ON ESB…..For free of course…LOL

Posted August 26, 2013 10:17 pm 


um?

That was fr Joseph Herron.

Posted August 26, 2013 10:10 pm 


TARK

Ernie… die and GTH

Posted August 26, 2013 10:06 pm 


um?

Still full of crap, nothings changed.

Posted August 26, 2013 10:04 pm 


TARK

Herron says.., “You’re one of those guys who doesn’t listen to what anyone else is saying in context, and merely waits for your turn to write and disagree.”

WRONG.., I agreed with plenty of posters who said Kovalev was going to destroy Clevery.. Saul was going to beat Trout.. and Pulev was going to beat Thompson.. Assyrian God made a great point on 70s era heavyweights the other day that I had to compliment him on.

Now, Bears actually changed my mind on Lewis vs Vitali. He posted a clip of the fouling. I always knew Lewis fouled VK a lot—but had never done a super close examination at it in slo-mo. Bears proved to me that fouling actually caused the deep jagged cuts, and the fight should have gone to the scorecards … I was forced to change my long held opinion that LL won and agree with Bears.

Posted August 26, 2013 9:50 pm 


Tark

I like the larger trouser trout

Posted August 26, 2013 9:42 pm 


Joseph Herron

Um?: “I wouldn’t trust Joseph Herron as far as I could throw him, he is not true, bit fake, a wannabe or something, kiss ass merchant, I don’t know.”

That’s funny, Um…especially when you consider that I’m probably the only person on ESB.com who discloses his real name with every post.

He surely can’t be trusted!! lol

Posted August 26, 2013 9:38 pm 


um?

I wouldn’t trust Joseph Herron as far as I could throw him, he is not true, bit fake, a wannabe or something, kiss ass merchant, I don’t know.

Posted August 26, 2013 9:23 pm 


R.A.G.

TARK for the last time…was Tommy cobra quick?

Posted August 26, 2013 8:15 pm 


TARK

Floyd has been saying.., “Cotto is better than Canelo.”

Floyd doesn’t believe that.., He wants Saul’s team to think he’s overconfident.

Posted August 26, 2013 8:09 pm 


TARK

Canelo said, “Trout is my toughest opponent’” That’s what I meant.

Posted August 26, 2013 8:05 pm 


TARK

Canelo doesn’t have a of quality opponents… That makes some difference but is not decisive.

Floyd said, “Cotto is the toughest opponent I ever faced.”

Trout said, “Yes… Trout was my best opponent.”

When Floyd’s best opponent and Canelo’s best opponent met — it was a one-sided boxing lesson delivered on Floyd’s toughest opponent.

Posted August 26, 2013 8:03 pm 


Anonymou$

TARK we got it!!!!!!!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 8:01 pm 


TARK

Obviously Herron, Steward’s knowledge of boxing was vast… He could still be wrong… Anyone can be wrong.

And when you’re wrong you need to listen up… You can’t close your mind off just because you’re an expert… That’s why they have committees deciding things. 10 brains are better than one because people sit around and discuss it. Then others go, “That’s right.. I didn’t think of that.”

Posted August 26, 2013 7:58 pm 


highest Court

R.A.G. lol

because TARK is 70+ !! He should know it…but obviously HE DON’T!!

TARK ALWAYS cherry pick the questions …

Posted August 26, 2013 7:55 pm 


big moe

While i agree with vivek in some stuff…you have to look at the quality opponents canelo has been fighting. Trout was his first real test. The rest were unknown fighters that took place in mexico. Plus you have to look at his opponents resumes and whp they fought.

Floyd has fought stellar comp for a grip. Canelo is a big boy in size. His skill are good. But people have to remember that floyd..although he does great against southpaws..hes even more dominating against orthodox fighters. In the cotto fight floyd didnt use the straight right because cottos high guard. So adjusted and looped it. Then he started using the left upper cut. Cotto didnt just bully floyd to the ropes. To me it was typical floyd letting his opponent tire themselves out. That wont be the case this fight.

Floyd wont be on the ropes like in previous fights. He wont stand directly in front of canelo. Floyd will use his footwork that haters dont like. Canelo has to set up to get the kind of leverage he needs on his punches. Not the case for floyd. Floyds punches hurt. Just ask his precious opponents. Floyd all day

Posted August 26, 2013 7:52 pm 


lol

whats with all the photos of these two face to face, at this rate there gonna just get in the ring and gaze into each others eyes and kiss

Posted August 26, 2013 7:44 pm 


Joseph Herron

Seriously, what did you guys think of my Floyd Jr impression at the 49:30 mark of my interview with Ronnie Shields?

If you haven’t listened, please check it out…you can forward to it on the embedded player…please tell me what you think.

Thanks!!

Posted August 26, 2013 7:43 pm 


Anonymou$

Thnx very much Joseph! The cleverer give in.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:42 pm 


Joseph Herron

Point taken, Anonymou$.

I won’t bring it up any longeer…you’re right.

We should be discussing the upcoming bouts.

I apologize

Posted August 26, 2013 7:39 pm 


Joseph Herron

Oh my goodness, TARK.

Well definitely equates to Emanuel not knowing diddly about the sport, right?

Man, you debate merely for the sake of debate.

You’re one of those guys who doesn’t listen to what anyone else is saying in context, and merely waits for your turn to write and disagree.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:37 pm 


Anonymou$

Herron..TARK please go and debate on the Pugilist KOrner thread!!! Thnx

Posted August 26, 2013 7:36 pm 


TARK

You have people spreading hatred… You have people spreading truth.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:34 pm 


Joseph Herron

BTW, what did you guys think of my Floyd Mayweather impression at the 49:30 mark of the show?

I’m spot on with my impressions, brother!!

I’ll do the late, great Emanuel Steward on next Sunday’s episode. Or should I bring back my Teddy Atlas prediction segment once again?

Posted August 26, 2013 7:34 pm 


TARK

I’m not the one spreading cancer on political forums… I’m one of the people bringing reason to those forums.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:32 pm 


TARK

Some of the “best minds” in the sport can be wrong… Or you can misinterpret what they’re saying… Or they may be making a political statement… That is, saying what they think the fans want to hear.

Steward was extremely confident Jermain Taylor was going to beat Pavlik… He was off in Zu Zu Land somewhere on the subject.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:30 pm 


Anonymou$

Herron…

that’s what I meant with Oh no, please dont start your foolish debate again..!!

Please TARK and Herron stop!!! It sucks!! This should be about boxing, not about egos!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 7:30 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

how many individuals have you really made a difference in their lives by debating them on the political forums?

It doesn’t help…it makes things worse.

A man of your intelligence should be able to see that. That’s why people are so politically polarized.

it’s a cancerous mentality.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:29 pm 


TARK

Politica forums are more important than Boxing… You have to plant seeds of reason in people… You have to tell them they’re dead wrong, and will wreck the country if we don’t pursue new technologies, green technologiies, access to education, and 21st Century jobs… You just point out wherever other countries are doing better and they seem to get the idea… Nobody wants to be in 2nd place.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:27 pm 


Joseph Herron

If you only knew who gave me my boxing knowledge, you would read my critiques a little less srcutinizingly.

Like I stated before, a lot of what I post is regurgitated knowledge from some of the best minds in the sport…but, you’re not humble enough to notice.

If you didn’t bring a dagger with you while reading these articles, you would be able to see that.

Much respect, brother!!

Posted August 26, 2013 7:24 pm 


TARK

Now Gogue said Kovalev needed to clinch Cleverly if he worked his way inside or got him on the ropes.

I know people don’t like to hear about it if they’re dead wrong… But how can you approach something like that without offending somebody??? Kovalev Had better all around skills and Cleverly couldn’t even clinch on the inside when he badly needed to.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:23 pm 


Joseph Herron

I’m referring to your motives for merely visiting the site.

You need to lay off the political forums, my man…they’re poisoning your brain and unhealthy for you emotionally.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:21 pm 


urone2

I like floyds chances of winning against Canelo but I’m no fool it only takes one or maybe two just ask Mares.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:19 pm 


Joseph Herron

Thanks, De Lima I…that’s one thing appreciate about Amir Khan.

His chin is made of china, but he still lets his hands go and fights the top fighters in his respective division.

I don’t know why Amir gets all of the hatred that he receives from the fight fans…he’s great for the sport!!

Posted August 26, 2013 7:19 pm 


TARK

Warmth and kindness don’t have anything to do with critiques… You lay it out there without any name calling. Unless they start calling you names, which you like to do.

I’m unemotional about it… If somebody says Floyd Mayweather has a major flaw of having his chin up too high. and moves it even higher and to the right as he throws a left hook. I think that deserves an answer … You get a lot of that kind of thing here.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:17 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK: “I visit the website because I love to criticize people who think they’re good boxing analysts when they never had 10 amateur fights”

Wow, TARK…you sound like such a kind, warm individual!!

LOL!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 7:13 pm 


de Lima I.

Joseph — great post! LOL

That was the greatest quality of Tommy.

He either knocked his opponent out, or got stretched while trying!!

God bless the Hitman!! No judges needed…his fights weren’t going the distance!!

Posted August 26, 2013 7:05 pm 


TARK

To me Klitschko-Povetkin isn’t even a fight… It wouldn’t be fun to do an analysis on because everyone knows the winner… It’s Klitschko-Ibragimov all over again.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:05 pm 


TARK

I visit the website because I love to criticize people who think they’re good boxing analysts when they never had 10 amateur fights.. And never trained a single fighter.. I love to read and critique the articles.

What people say on the comment board is generally worse than the articles. I shouldn’t get bogged down in the nonsense, but my job is rather boring … and I need to be on the Internet anyway.

But if I write an article I take it seriously… I don’t really take my critiques seriously. There are no Jim Murray’s writing for the site.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:03 pm 


Tark

that’s right, I’m a 70 + old senile.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:00 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

Do you really think that Matthysse/Garcia is an easier fight to call than Haye/Fury?

Wow…I can’t wait to read your article on this one.

You don’t have to convince me, brother…I’m going to write Head to Head articles from this point forward regardless of what you do.

So yes, I will be writing one for Mayweather/Alvarez, Matthysse/Garcia, Klitschko/Povetkin, Stevenson/Cloud, and Haye/Fury.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:59 pm 


Hidalgo

“But the Mexican Russian versus Jhonny Gonzalez would be a war!!”

That’s what I thought. Too bad we have this promoter division in boxing. Top Rank has about 52 fighters, GBP has about 20 more. It’s pathetic that the best aren’t always truly facing the best because of this feud that Top Rank and GBP have. Or at least I’m thinking that’s what the problem is. Is there more to it than that, Joseph?

Posted August 26, 2013 6:57 pm 


Joseph Herron

I’ve given up on Chris John fighting anyone in the states.

But Gradovich would be a great fight…unfortunately he’s signed with Top Rank Boxing.

But the Mexican Russian versus Jhonny Gonzalez would be a war!!

Great fight!!

Posted August 26, 2013 6:54 pm 


Joseph Herron

I know that TARK…but, the truth is that the comment board and the forum generates the traffic numbers.

Think about this relatively…do you visit this site to listen “The Pugilist KOrner” every Sunday and Tuesday night, or ready Vivek’s mailbag every Monday?

Or do you visit the site to say “hello” to all of your peeps?

Posted August 26, 2013 6:52 pm 


Hidalgo

Excuse me: “Gradovich.”

Posted August 26, 2013 6:50 pm 


Hidalgo

Or Herron, how about Chris John or Gravidovich to face Gonzalez?

Posted August 26, 2013 6:49 pm 


TARK

That is really funny Herron… You’re putting the cart before the horse.

It’s the articles that draw all the comments… Without content rich articles ESB has NOTHING!!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 6:49 pm 


TARK

Herron.., You know I chose Haye-Fury and you agreed. I think pretty much everybody has Matthysse beating Garcia… Although it’s still a good fight because Garcia, although a youngster, is better than most writers think.

You said you are also planning a full analysis on Matthysse-Garcia but you know Haye-Fury is THE fight we selected.

Haye-Fury is much tougher to call correctly. So if the money is right I do it.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:46 pm 


Hidalgo

“Abner has already stated that he plans to take a year off from boxing…who does GBP put in the ring with newly crowned Champion Jhonny Gonzalez later this year?”

Is Mikey Garcia available?

Posted August 26, 2013 6:45 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

ESB is currently making money off of your “labor” as we type.

The majority of their traffic comes from the forum and comment board…not the page views from articles.

So you already are making them money with every post you write!!

Look, TARK…if you don’t think you can do it, just admit…be a man and say I don’t think I can do it as well as you can, Herron.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:45 pm 


BUSTAJAY

TARK
Why not just do the challenge on principal?
The man has a valid point that your post on here are equivalent to a novel. Show your skills or just decline the offer because money was never in the equation until now bro.

I miss the FAKE TARK.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:44 pm 


R.A.G.

de Lima

because TARK is 70+ !! He should know it…but obviously HE DON’T!!

Posted August 26, 2013 6:43 pm 


Hidalgo

“I told them what I KNEW”

You poor, lost soul, with nothing better to do than brag about yourself.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:42 pm 


R.A.G.

de Lima I.

Because TARK is 70+ !! He should know it…but obviously HE DON’T!!

Posted August 26, 2013 6:41 pm 


TARK

Hamster.., YOU go ahead and write an article for free.

You have pretty good writing skills. Let somebody make money off your labor.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:39 pm 


TARK

Screw you Herron… I don’t write published articles anywhere for free. Especially for a wealthy website that can afford to pay top dollar.

Pay me… Or write up your well paid article and I’ll respond.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:37 pm 


de Lima I.

R.A.G. — Why TARK?

Posted August 26, 2013 6:35 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

Smoke and mirrors, and we aren`t falling for it.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:33 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

Who in the hell is going to pay a thousand for something of no proven commercial value?
Have an understanding of web traffic value.

As for calls to England, I think it is better you do it without the calls and make that clear at the start of the article in capital letters.

I`d hate for Adam Booth to be pestered daily with calls asking about Hayes stance and jab – especially give the standard response is just going to be something about training camp going well.

Herron is offering you multiple chances to exchange on even terms and you are coackroaching from shadow to shadow.

Spray-painting on someone else’s walls is not the same as building a house.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:32 pm 


Titopa

Fight Aficionado – That’s ONLY due to Canelo’s size and power, he has ZERO experience against the ELITE and ZERO experience against crafty defensive fighters with a tremendously responsive offense…Floyd is simply LEAGUES above anyone Canelo’s ever faced.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:30 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Yeah Canelo has a ‘better than average’ chance at beating Floyd. He opened as a 2.5/1 underdog, so that fact is obv given most of his opponents are 3/1 or bigger dogs. Floyd always goes back to his same old messages during these shows so we’ll get no relevant info from this All Access BS which is just a glorified infomercial.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:15 pm 


Joseph Herron

Funny stuff, Hidalgo!!

Next Question:

Abner has already stated that he plans to take a year off from boxing…who does GBP put in the ring with newly crowned Champion Jhonny Gonzalez later this year?

Posted August 26, 2013 6:10 pm 


R.A.G.

TARK!!!

SIMPLE QUESTION, WAS HEARNS DAMN FAST, YES OR NO?

Posted August 26, 2013 6:05 pm 


Joseph Herron

TARK,

It’s a Head to Head analysis between Matthysse and Garcia, right?

Didn’t we say that the Haye/Fury examination would be too easy?

What say you, brother?

Posted August 26, 2013 5:58 pm 


Joseph Herron

That was the greatest quality of Tommy.

He either knocked his opponent out, or got stretched while trying!!

God bless the Hitman!! No judges needed…his fights weren’t going the distance!!

Posted August 26, 2013 5:55 pm 


urone2

Ok All,

In the TH/FM debate I know anything could happen but guys are picking Hearns to win by KO, Now my question is die hard Hearns will win. If Floyd avoids the big right hand does Hearns win with the Jab or goes even harder for the KO and end up being out worked.

Posted August 26, 2013 5:52 pm 


Anonymou$

SREDMOND are you there.

I miss the good old Sredmond…without Court Crap and French Bs. Please come back as Sredmond!

Posted August 26, 2013 5:50 pm 


Joseph Herron

On the scene, there is an article penned by gossip queen Chris Robinson about Floyd Sr. receiving some information about the Canelo camp…does anyone want to guess that could be?

lol…check out the Pugilist KOrner’s: Weekend Wrap!!

Posted August 26, 2013 5:46 pm 


Hidalgo

“What style do you think Canelo will adopt in the outset of the fight with Floyd Jr?

Is he going to try to be the aggressor? or do you think he will try to make Floyd take the lead to begin the contest, just like he did against Austin Trout?

Joseph, I think Canelo’s best bet is to grab Correctamundo by his ankles, swing him over his head, then body-slam him hard onto the canvas–three or four times. Once he has Correctamundo nice and loosened up by doing this, Canelo should start spinning round and round, still holding Correctamundo by the ankles, until Correctamundo’s body is approximately level with his eyes. Then with a huge Mexican hoot, he should let go of Correctamundo’s ankles. Now, this won’t do a damn thing to help him against Floyd but the crowd will just squeal over it as Correctamundo flies through the air screaming like a stuck pig until is ugly head is impaled on one of the arena spot lights As an added bonus for all the boxing fans in the arena, each one of them gets to punch or kick Correctamundo on their way out the door, as I shove Correctamundo’s stupid P4P list down his throat with an electrified cattle prod.

Next question, please!

Posted August 26, 2013 5:24 pm 


BUSTAJAY

Canelo will start this fight very quickly and go for some very hard power shots on Floyd. His only chance will be in the first 3 or 4 rds to check and damage Floyd.

Floyd is way too smart to allow this power puncher to land with ease and will end up taking him into deep waters with no gas left in his young tank.

I see this as a total breakdown of a young fighter with a much more talented and wiser veteran known as MONEY.

Posted August 26, 2013 4:58 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

Personally I see Mayweather Canelo going out to a UD Floyd something like 116-112 – though of course there will always be at least one judge with a crazy scorecard that looks pre-filled.

Canelo will probably win one or two of his rounds quite convincingly, but for me he spends too much of a fight in front of his opponent thinking about what he is going to do, and that is going to be time that Floyd is potshotting successfully with speed, accuracy and intelligence.

Once Floyd builds a lead, and Canelo gets frustrated and decides to move into a more pressure based strategy, we`ll see some interesting exchanges before the smarts behind the catchweight becomes obvious and Canelo cannot maintain it.

Posted August 26, 2013 4:56 pm 


huckster

all this effort to make money off one fight. there was a time that not one penny would have been needed to be spent on PR for a mega fight that will never happen.

Posted August 26, 2013 4:47 pm 


Turbo-Hamster

Say TARK why don`t you just take Herron up on his article offer.

You can preface teh article by making it clear it is solely done from video and doesn`t include evaluation of the weigh in.

No more weak excuses.

Posted August 26, 2013 4:44 pm 


R.A.G.

TARK…again…

Was Hearns cobra quick, yes or no?

Posted August 26, 2013 4:38 pm 


TARK

Herron.., “As we were all reminded this past weekend, anything can happen in the theater of the unexpected…at the top level of the sport, anyone can get knocked-out on any given day”

Well.., Especially to Mares… who’s not a great defender.

It could happen to Floyd or Canelo. You could also buy a lottery ticket and win 600,000,000.00 dollars.. That would be nice. Obviously either fighter has a much better chance than that of getting KO’d — but this fight still figures to be a distance affair — like their last fights.

The big problem is getting the odds right.. Who has a big edge in a fight? Sometimes a 7:1 underdog should be a 7:1 favorite.. Or what fight is going to be closer and tougher than most pundits and experts expect … and why is that?

You’re not trying to be perfect with your analysis … just damned good.

Posted August 26, 2013 4:19 pm 


R.A.G.

TARK….

Was Hearns cobra quick, yes or no?

Posted August 26, 2013 4:16 pm 


Old Yank

How many defenses of his 154 pound belt did Pacquiao have? EXACTLY! NONE! A vacant title was contested by two fighters who were no where to be found at 154. Following the JOKE called a 154 pound title bout, Pacquiao moved back doen to 147. In spite of the 152 pound catchweight, this bout has an air of legit for the 154 pound titles at stake. And I personally HATE catchweight bouts when titles are involved. Catchweight bouts for major titles is a really, really new thing for boxing (and in advance, please stop with the Leonard/Lelond thing).

Posted August 26, 2013 4:11 pm 


Bulawayo2

Interesting thought, should Mayweather win, will he stay at 152\4 and risk Golovkin coming down in weight, or does he duck back to 147 and risk Matthysse. Hobsons choice?

Posted August 26, 2013 4:05 pm 


Old Yank

spartacus 65 — Nothing wrong with having fun! Peace!

Posted August 26, 2013 4:02 pm 


de Lima I.

RAG — He was fast, but not faster than a speeding bullet!

How could y’all be so wrong?

Posted August 26, 2013 4:02 pm 


spartacus 65

I meant to say mayorga. Excuse me. Yes Old Yank perhaps its a bit irrelevant at this point however its akso sort of fun in a passing the time sort of way. Cheers champ. Peace and strength.

Posted August 26, 2013 4:00 pm 


TARK

Old Yank.., “The only thing dumber than fantasy bouts that can and never will happen is insisting that you know who would win!”

That is SOOOO true.., People who can’t pick a contemporary fights worth a damn can always write articles on fantasy fights … Usually their analysis sucks to high Heaven, but they are so rock sure of their analysis because they can’t be proven wrong

Posted August 26, 2013 3:57 pm 


spartacus 65

Supreme court its,okay my friend. I hold no ill will at your opinion towards my commentary. I have seen Mosley throw BETTER punches than that shot that clipped Mayweather. Mosley also beat a Margarito who looked COMPLETELY mentally pysched out once it was discovered that his gloves were loaded just BEFORE entering the ring. The man looked truly like a mental zombie when he stepped between the ropes. He was essentially ripe for the taking. Mosley struggled mightily against Matorga and his deterioration was evident to most everyone at that moment. He won but he was never to be the same again. Still I will respectfully disagree with you on that but your commentary is appreciated .

Posted August 26, 2013 3:55 pm 


TARK

The weigh-in will give a good clue… Let’s see how fresh and strong Canelo looks at 152… If it looks like he killed himself to make the last 3 pounds he won’t have a lot of zip in the late rounds.. That could determine the fight.

I think he might be fine… but we don’t know.

Posted August 26, 2013 3:50 pm 


Old Yank

The only thing more stupid than fantasy bouts that can and never will happen is insisting that you know who would win!

Posted August 26, 2013 3:46 pm 


spartacus 65

R.A.G. My friend Tommy was Cobra quick! So much so that he could throw a straight right from FAR out and STILL land it. That’s extremely hard to defend against. To beat him you had to walj unro the eye of the storm. Possessing the will and guts to absorb truly wicked punishment to be able ti do tour own damage. The man had many weapons at his disposal. Even if he was defeated the victor came out badly compromised physically. Leonards hiatus from boxing was due to hearns damaging his eye. Hagker certainly lost a step after that WAR which lasted three truly incredible rounds. This while dighti.g with a broken hand.You are correct my friend in regards to Hearns quick strike speed. Heron my pleasure soldier. Always a good read. Cheera gentlemen.

Posted August 26, 2013 3:44 pm 


choky

i think that canelo should have lost a very close decision agns trout sont dont see how people can give him a chance to beat mayweather- i am not a big mayweather fan (his style too boring) but canelo is way overated and that should be avry easy ud for mayweather

Posted August 26, 2013 3:44 pm 


TARK

Supreme Court.., You won’t find me bragging if Floyd wins a lopsided decision or Canelo knocks Floyd TFO with little effort.

That has happened to me before — but I expect a tough, close fight … If it’s anything different I’ve got it wrong.

Posted August 26, 2013 3:42 pm 


Supreme Court

LOL!
Spartacus 65: your opening statement calls for objectivity, fairness, yet your introduction is one of the most biased, subjective, unfair statement of the day:
You wrote:
“…Let’s,be honest,unbiased and ojective here… If a very shopworn Shane Mosely can daze Mayweather with a HALF decent punch in round two what so you thunk a PRIME vicious puncher and finisher like Hearns would’ve done?”

For starter, Mosley, when he fought Floyd, was lineal, Ring Magazine WW champion, p4p No 3; Moreover, he had just destroyed in his last fight the “most feared WW” Margarito.
Your statement is inconsistent with the FACTS. Yet its your premise. When a premise is incorrect, the conclusion is necessary incorrect as well.
You are biased and manipulative. You would like to subdue the reader with a maliciously incorrect statement…

Secondly, the punch Mosley almost KOed Floyd was not “half-decent: It was a powerful right hook (the same that almost chopped off Margarito head) set up by a left jab in the body! The same right hooks that precipitated the ref to save Margarito from sudden death during his fight vs Mosley….

You are biased and dishonest!
That is the verdict of the Highest Court.

(Ils viennent habilles en peau de brebis alors qu’au dedans, ce sont des loups ravisseurs)

Posted August 26, 2013 3:41 pm 


R.A.G.

Utter nonsense!!! Tommy was MUCH MORE faster than mayweather is!!

HELL he was faster than a speeding bullet!!

Posted August 26, 2013 3:29 pm 


Joseph Herron

Thanks for the kind words, Spartacus!!

Posted August 26, 2013 3:28 pm 


spartacus 65

Sorry once again for the mispelling gentlemen. Tark, you are correct I must say in your assessment of what happened with Ray Robinson in.the Joey Maxim bout. That’s PRECISELY what took plave. Cheers to tou as well sir.

Posted August 26, 2013 3:28 pm 


R.A.G.

de Lima I.

“Gonzalez — Don’t get me wrong — I respect Hearns a lot, he was a great fighter, but to say that “poor boy would get KO’d in round 2 by the Hitman” is just ignorant and stupid, here’s why:

TH had a lousy defense whereas FMJ has the best defense the world has ever seen.
FMJ’s superior defense and high boxing IQ would causes problems for any boxer in history! People always underestimate defensive fighters! Defense wins you fights and brilliant defenders have the longest careers. Look at FMJ or WK!

Too fast for May? Quite the opposite is true! FMJ has amazing speed! TH was certainly not “god damn fast” — that’s why he got KO’d by Sugar Ray — even I know that.“

Utter nonsense!!! Tommy was MUCH MORE faster than mayweather is!!

HELL he was faster than a speeding bullet!!

Posted August 26, 2013 3:16 pm 


Joseph Herron

As we were all reminded this past weekend, anything can happen in the theater of the unexpected…at the top level of the sport, anyone can get knocked-out on any given day!!

Posted August 26, 2013 3:13 pm 


Supreme Court

Good stuff from Dr Ross; de Lima I., and al….

(Des tetes bien faites…)Maracho:

Tark:

So, if Floyd wins, you’d brag: “I had him winning; 8:5″
If canelo wins, you’d trumpet” I told you so”…

Right?
Tark you should borrow a chapter from Dr Ross’s book: he knows history, AND stay neutral in his analysis…

( Tark est ondoyant et divers”

Posted August 26, 2013 3:11 pm 


maracho

Margarito’s mistakes were not handwraps and pads but clever video wraps and soundbites.

1. He Margarito play the way Oscar and Floyd Senior waned him to up at Big Bear so they fired him on several occasions.

2. Margarito then wrote about and made YouTube videos about his Big Bear experience on his webpage.

3. Then Margarito walked in on Floyd Jr. with a camera crew at some ritzy lounge and challenged him so strongly that Floyd started stuttering. Then he put that on his webpage too.

4. When you do cool promotions that expose two of the most powerful idols in boxing, you are going to let the drones out.

Posted August 26, 2013 3:03 pm 


TARK

Vivek says.., “Canelo has a sharp mind, but he doesn’t have a Mayweather mind!”

Say what??????? Edison didn’t have Newton’s mind.. Canelo isn’t a Mayweather understudy—LMAO. Golovkin and Ward are both great boxers—but every boxer has a unique mind—as does every astrophysicist of course. You don’t need your opponent’s mind to beat him. You need to figure out how he reacts to a certain feint, punch, or tactic. Not mind reading … just observation as the fight goes on.

This was a decent anlysis until VW said that.

Both Floyd and Canelo are fast, skillful, clever, knowledgeable, intense, cool, tricky, strong, and tough. Canelo is stronger and tougher, which helps you control the center of the ring. Floyd is more experienced and more knowledgeable—but that didn’t help Ray Robinson when he fought Joey Maxim, who was bigger, stronger and tougher, and controlled the center of the ring. Maxim sapped Robinson’s strength by making him punch.

Maxim didn’t have Canelo’s speed, craft, firepower, or body attack—but he has some of his smarts. He kept an eye on the gas meter—it was a hot night.

From the beginning I had Floyd an 8:5 favorite because of the weight issue. It’s going to be an intense 12-round fight and Canelo WILL need a gas tank to control the ring. He needs to watch the meter … so does Floyd.

Posted August 26, 2013 2:56 pm 


Proud African

One thing I noticed about Canelo is that he tends to get tired in the later rounds. Also, he tends to fight in spurts. From the eight round or so Mayweather will give him the beating of his life and Canelo will not be the same fighter afterwards.

Posted August 26, 2013 2:51 pm 


TARK

Vivek says.., “I have supported Gary Russell Jr. and will continue to. That being said, I’ll never stop short of some necessary tough love!”

Necessary tough love?????? Gary is a fine boxer. He knows he has fans and haters. A ton of writers who don’t know what they’re talking about have taken shots at him. It goes with the territory when you start to gain fame, whether you’re a fighter or a writer

If Stephen A. Smith knocks you—you pay attention. If Ivan Ivanov knocks you—you LYAO

Posted August 26, 2013 2:49 pm 


PEEJ

Mayweather is definitely one of the greatest defensive fighters ever and he is the best boxer of this generation.

Posted August 26, 2013 2:47 pm 


maracho

Supreme Court, I bet you are just bitter because I exposed your government promoted lynch mob mentality against Margarito.

Mosley is the same size as Floyd but when he moved up to 154, he fought the best at that weight in Winky, another man who also exposed Floyd of avoiding the best

Using your logic, Corrales is also bigger than Mike Tyson simply because he’s taller. Anyway, Floyd and Diego Corrales had both been Super flyweights for years when they fought each other. In his last fight,

Floyd himself called Ricky Hatton a midget

Posted August 26, 2013 2:36 pm 


Dr. Ross

Gonzalez:

Alvarez is brutal in combinations. I don’t know why some have downplayed his speed. He is quick. And those combinations he throws are a package of mixed punches going to the head to the body, body to head. Naturally bigger guys can also hurt naturally smaller guys with body-shots so if he can slip one in there on Floyd during one of his combinations, Floyd’s stamina may deplete quicker than usual or even go down. It’s hard to come back from body-shots that take the wind out of you.

Posted August 26, 2013 2:35 pm 


raygordonreid

will floyd bad mouth canelo like he did gatti

Posted August 26, 2013 2:19 pm 


Joseph Herron

Well said, De Lima I!!

What style do you think Canelo will adopt in the outset of the fight with Floyd Jr?

Is he going to try to be the aggressor? or do you think he will try to make Floyd take the lead to begin the contest, just like he did against Austin Trout?

Posted August 26, 2013 2:01 pm 


de Lima I.

No! SA is a smart boxer, he has great boxing skills, punching power, good head and shoulder movement! But he’s only chance at defeating FMJ is by stoppage.
SA is underrated and like I already said, he has not yet reached his mental and physical prime, he’s only 23 years old. We have to give this guy some time.

BTW people ignore FMJ’s superior boxing skills just because they dislike him,
the same goes for SA, Haye and Pac. That’s just stupid.

Posted August 26, 2013 1:58 pm 


Gonzalez

@deLima

so you give Canelo zero chance???

Posted August 26, 2013 1:50 pm 


Dr.

Anonymous:

True. That’s why so many people still talk about Tyson today with how impressed they were with his style and training in the 80′s and how defensively effective he was despite coming forward on the attack. It’s so hard to fight that way that if you slip up in your training, you’ll start to get lit up.

Posted August 26, 2013 1:41 pm 


Anonymous

Herron…that’s right plus fans weren’t as lenient and easy to impress as todays, they paid to see a fight, and the media wasn’t as far reaching as it is today to get the casual fans interested, plus the money wasn’t as big so most fighters stayed in great shape in order to get money fights….too many factor to get into it….

Posted August 26, 2013 1:38 pm 


Joseph Herron

Yup…I covered the fight last year throughout the entire week and had no idea until Mickey Bey Jr. told me months after the bout.

there was never any possibility of cancelling the fight, because of the money involved, but there was concern from everyone in the Mayweather camp.

Posted August 26, 2013 1:27 pm 


de Lima I.

Right Joseph, Floyd was sick throughout the week of the Cotto bout.

Posted August 26, 2013 1:24 pm 


Joseph Herron

***weren’t privy*** correction

Posted August 26, 2013 1:19 pm 


Joseph Herron

Most people were privy to the information that Floyd was sick throughout the week of the Cotto bout. He was suffering from flu-like symptoms and wasn’t 100% going into the fight.

I didn’t get this info until long after the fight took place.

Truth!!

Posted August 26, 2013 1:19 pm 


de Lima I.

Gonzalez — Your vendetta against FMJ is becoming quite ridiculous — as if any boxer in history ever fought every possible opponent. Ali ducked EH, EH avoided LL for many years, the list goes on and on.

And every single fighter still makes defensive errors.

Posted August 26, 2013 1:14 pm 


Joseph Herron

Great point, Anonymous!

When you’re a “name” on the fight card, there’s a lot of pressure to give the fans what they came to see…an entertaining scrap.

and at the world class level, the gamble doesn’t always pay off. But there’s not shame in that…losing against another world class fighter has never been as heavily scrutinized as it is in this era of prizefighting.

i have no idea why, because the notion is completely unrealistic at the highest level of the sport.

Posted August 26, 2013 1:13 pm 


raygordonreid

canelo esb quit telling me toslow down

Posted August 26, 2013 1:10 pm 


Gonzalez

@deLima I.

Mayflower is the BIGGEST DUCKER in boxing history!

Posted August 26, 2013 1:09 pm 


Anonymous

many fighters didn’t seem to have great defense because they took risks and chose to fight for the sake of the fans, both sugar rays could have danced all night and jab, pot shot their way to decisions, so could ali and salvador sanchez, too many to name them all, especially in larger rings etc….

Posted August 26, 2013 1:07 pm 


Old Man

de Lima I., respect young lady!

…I couldn’t have said it better myself…

Posted August 26, 2013 1:04 pm 


Dr. Ross

Gonzalez:

You are entitled to your opinion of course but you are overruled by the Pro Boxers and Trainers who say otherwise: Floyd’s defense is the best of his era and one of the best all time.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:56 pm 


Joseph Herron

Gonzalez,

you just lost all credibility with your last post.

Mayweather might be the greatest defensive fighter in the history of the sport.

His speed and reflexes are unrivaled.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:50 pm 


Joseph Herron

Guys, don’t be so hard on Gary Jr.

He has been experiencing a lot of physical setbacks over the last year. They originally wanted to fight for a major Featherweight title last year but suffered injury.

Earlier this year he broke his left hand, further setting him back several months. This fight that he took against Daiz was merely to test out that hand. No shame in that…he had no problem with ShoBox not airing his bout for that reason.

Expect to see Gary Russell Jr. fight Jhonny Gonzalez for the WBC Featherweight title in a couple of months.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:48 pm 


Gonzalez

@deLima I.!!

Mayweather was still making defensive errors when he fought Cotto…he’s not a BRILLIANT defensive fighter at all!!

Posted August 26, 2013 12:47 pm 


Gonzalez

Mayweather is a CHERRY PICKER!!

Posted August 26, 2013 12:46 pm 


Joseph Herron

De Lima I,

The Hitman was on my show earlier this year and stated that he doesn’t think Floyd would have taken a fight with him if they both fought in the same era.

He further stated that his jab, range, and power would have been too much for him.

He said that if his jab was able to find his opponent, the right hand would be behind it very quickly.

Great stuff!!

Posted August 26, 2013 12:44 pm 


de Lima I.

Dr. Ross — Sure, TH would give FMJ one hell of a fight, he was very powerful — saying he would KO him in 2 rounds is sheer ignorance.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:42 pm 


Dr. Ross

It’s Me, Ernie :

The more FLoyd tempts his fate against naturally bigger men, and decline with age, he “may” show that “Mayweather chin” as you like to think and say.

Of course he should be knocked out against bigger men if caught clean. But does that mean his chin is weak? NO. If he had stayed in a comfortable division, his chin would be just fine. But like many others found out, no matter how great your chin is in certain divisions, if you swim to far, you put yourself in the waters of the Great Whites and you get chumped like the little fish you are.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:38 pm 


Dr. Ross

Willie Pep’s defense looked Godly. That was until he fought Sandy Saddler. Same with Toney when he fought Roy although Roy even admitted that Toney was struggling with weight. I still think styles troubled both. And the same would happen to Floyd if he had the right competition. Pac probably would have bothered him because of his unorthodox punching even though I would favor Floyd and I do think Floyd was worried. Maybe it was just down to the energy and stamina level of Pac during that time and possibly being on an “extra” something that worried FLoyd. Either way, Hearns and others of Tall nature with a Great Jab, SPEED, and Power would bother FLoyd.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:21 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

I wonder if we will see the famous Mayweather chin finally…

Posted August 26, 2013 12:18 pm 


Dr. Ross

de Lima I:

Floyd’s defense looks spectacular against fighters that aren’t as great as SRL, SRR, and Hearns offensively.

Floyd didn’t look to impressive against a past prime Oscar. Sure, many of those punches didn’t land directly for “points” but they were landing on him. And Oscar’s jab showed you that someone like Hearns would give Floyd hell.
Remember, it was Roger who said Vernon Forrest would be Floyd’s toughest fight. He knows, he worked with Vernon. And that was Forrest who was fighting with a bum shoulder throughout most of his career just like Oscar.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:16 pm 


Dr. Ross

correction: SRR was NOT the GOAT in every weight class he entered. Neither was SRL, Hearns, Langford, etc.

Hahaha or maybe that was a legit slip from my mind telling me he was.

There was an interesting interview with Emanuel Steward who claimed he was told by some people around SRR that SRR was not keen on fighting Taller fighters. So someone like Hearns would give him hell. Now if that is completely true, I don’t know.

I do think SRR would have lots of trouble with Hearns but like SRL, he would catch Hearns at some point and end him. But SRR defense wasn’t the best either. Incredibly tough though.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:13 pm 


de Lima I.

Gonzalez — Don’t get me wrong — I respect Hearns a lot, he was a great fighter, but to say that “poor boy would get KO’d in round 2 by the Hitman” is just ignorant and stupid, here’s why:

TH had a lousy defense whereas FMJ has the best defense the world has ever seen.
FMJ’s superior defense and high boxing IQ would causes problems for any boxer in history! People always underestimate defensive fighters! Defense wins you fights and brilliant defenders have the longest careers. Look at FMJ or WK!

Too fast for May? Quite the opposite is true! FMJ has amazing speed! TH was certainly not “god damn fast” — that’s why he got KO’d by Sugar Ray — even I know that.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:12 pm 


Dr. Ross

Gonzalez:

Agree, he is not an “ATG” at WW but below WW, from 130-140, he could hold his own with anybody.

Overall, calling him the GOAT is OK to those that have that opinion because you have to count his career overall. SRR was the GOAT in every weight class he entered. Neither was SRL, Hearns, Langford, etc.

Posted August 26, 2013 12:09 pm 


Gonzalez

Mayflower is NOT the GOAT…poor boy would get KO’d in round 2 by the HITMAN!!!
Too god damn fast and too powerful for May!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 12:02 pm 


Anonymous

*******FLOYD IS THE GOAT*******

Posted August 26, 2013 11:56 am 


Supreme Court

Maracho:
You are an idiot blinded by Hate:
Diego Corrales was Bigger, taller, undefeated champion!
Floyd chopped him down.
Ricky Hatton was undefeated and was mauling all his opponent including the great Kosta Zyu…
Flowh chopped him down!

Shane Mosley was bigger, ring magazine WW champion, p4p No 3, was coming from an epic destruction of a beast called mMrgarito.

Floyd took Mosley to school.

You come over here with your stinky mouth, driven by hate, bitterness and jealousy, and attempts to change history…
GTFOH!!!!
We don’t need this kind of biasedness here!

You will not be missed!

(Un imbecile qui se fait appeller maracho…peut etre c’est la zizzanie d’un marche…..)

Posted August 26, 2013 11:54 am 


Titopa

Encrypted – Yeah, but who has he beaten that even comes close to possessing the skills Floyd does? NO….ONE!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 11:38 am 


Encrypted

Agree some of the article and was thinking alone the same line with the understudy. Don’t think Alvarez is boxing smart are close to Andre Ward and Guillermo Rigondeaux skill set. Tested, I’m a bit in disagreement to a certain existent because of his resume. He’s strong, quick, powerful and can box. I see some things he lack.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:35 am 


Titopa

GONZO OF NAZARETH – Your assessment is COMICAL!!!

Posted August 26, 2013 11:29 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Brother GONZO OF NAZARETH,

Could you be more specific?…

Posted August 26, 2013 11:10 am 


Joel-MTL

Agree 100% on Gary Russell. The kid should have stepped up significantly 2 years ago, and instead has fought tomato can after tomato can. I’ve never seen such an untested fighter get so much press attention. I say lets stop paying him any attention until he does something worthy of his alleged skills.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:07 am 


GONZO OF NAZARETH

Canelo will be too good for Mayweather and stop him in the 4th or 5th rounds. Mayweather will win the first 2 rounds with his hit and run tactics, but Canelo is too smart and once he goes on the attack, Mayweather is going to be in a whole lot of trouble. He will trap mayweather on the ropes followed by a vicious bodyshot which will disable that pekaboo and a glancing blow to the cranium. Mayweather will try to get up but the wobbly legs will make the ref step in and end proceedings. Mayweather will then start complaining and yapping to no avail. You heard it here first from the greatest analyst since antiquity. Bookmark this awesome analysis.

Posted August 26, 2013 11:06 am 


Anonymous

Is the fight still on? I thought it got canceled.

Posted August 26, 2013 9:51 am 


Luke

Vito- Vito – Vito…stopped playing both sides of the fence with Russell Jr…but, then again, we’d never expect you to have a coherent message.

Posted August 26, 2013 9:48 am 


152 Catchweight Scaredy Girl FMJ

Canelo is going to shock the world with a KO demolition of FMJ. You heard it here first.

Posted August 26, 2013 9:45 am 


maracho

Canelo’s compubox scores only beat Andre Ward and Guillermo Rigondeaux or even Bradley and Mares because his competition has been much less and probably also because compubox buttons are more likely to become hype machines for the glamor boys of boxing as are the type machine pushed by their pundits.

… but yes in this sense, that is also what makes him similar to Floyd. On the other hand Floyd hasnt really fought anyone in their prime who is actually bigger and stronger than himself. Canelo is pretty fast too

Posted August 26, 2013 8:09 am 


Papo

I still believe Canelo is overrated and will have a tough time trying to land anything significant to make Floyd change his plan. I also believe Canelo’s weight would be a big factor and the best chance he has is to try to get Floyd out early.

I don’t know if he’s still hanging around at 154 waiting for this fight against Floyd, or because perhaps he doesn’t feel confident enough to fight at 160. But stamina will be huge for Canelo against Floyd or against any other fighter at 154.

As for Mares, perhaps overconfidence played a part for his devastating lost. They (him and his corner) looked at Gonzales as a stepping stone for bigger fights and paydays…big mistake. Also, his inexperience is obvious. A more experience fighter would have survived the fight by holding and moving, but he tried to fire back under unsteady legs.

I know Joseph Agbeko said he doesn’t feel any grudges against Mares, but I bet deep down he’s smiling after being hit low by Mares repeatedly back in Dec 2011. Of course, referee Lou Moret allowed it, so I guess it wasn’t all Mares’ fault.

As for Jhonny Gonzalez, enjoy the win. I think it was a lucky punch that brought down Mares. I think he’ll lose his next fight, especially if it’s a rematch.

Posted August 26, 2013 7:10 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

I CORRECTLY flushed Hissydalgo’s advice down the TOILET when he SAID that I should’ve put Mares in my Top 10 P4P list over Kovalev. And I THANK myself for not being SO gullible.

Posted August 26, 2013 6:58 am 



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