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Caballo

I think you mean good analysis!

Posted September 15, 2012 4:03 pm 


Caballo

Nice article. I liked the detail you used to back up your prediction. That being said, I hope you are mistaken.

Posted September 15, 2012 4:02 pm 


bky

I think that Chavez should do the drug test.. I don’t see why freddy roach fighters never want to do it… I like martinez better but im certain that Chavez will win this fight. Seems like there is something wrong with this picture. I feel that pacquiao and chavez (I don’t dislike Chavez) I dislike the fact that none of his fighter wants to get this drug test done. Im sure how you all have heard of chavez evading the test.. but why? Lets see tomorrow but I see chavez jr winning by ko on the 8-9 rounds….

Posted September 15, 2012 3:18 am 


ThaBruiser

No problem Ricco, I find myself in debates about Chaves Jr. because people are so divided on where they stand regarding him. He is both loved and despised. I fall into the category that views him as merely a Top Rank hype job. Tomorrow figures to settle alot of questions regarding the merits of Chavez Jr. I am guessing that your detailed assessment of Jr.’s stance, balance, and guard as opposed to Pavlik’s is because you have given some thought to how Jr. would do against Pavlik? You are right in that it would be fun, fan friendly pier 6 brawl, because both guys are fairly limited and have fighting styles that complement each other. Kelly is clearly troubled by angles and sharp countering, as demonstrated in his losses to B-Hop and Sergio. Not the case against Jr. as those finer fighting techniques of the sweet science are, shall we say “not his thing”. Personally, I think K-Pav has nothing to worry about in a hypothetical match up because Jr. doesn’t do what renders Pavlik ineffective: make Pavlik unable to bring his power into play. Kelly can tee off on Jr. and truly test the mythical “Chavez Family Chin”, which admittedly has stood up against decent punchers like Rubio and Lee, who stood right in front of Jr. throwing punches he could see coming, where you can better absorb them. If Jr. can brush off Kelly’s power I would be more of a believer in that Jr’s whiskers. Now, I see you mentioned Sergio finally. More about shots you can see coming: Remember Paul the Punisher withstood everything Sergio threw at him until he got hit by a shot he didn’t see, The shot you don’t see is the one that gets you, as you know. Now, you mentioned that Sergio couldn’t stun Kelly but did cut him. Well, as you recall, the Chavez’s may be born with cast iron jaws (plus abnormally thick skulls), but they are also a family of bleeders (Oscar carving Chavez Sr. up like a Thanksgiving roast comes to mind). The difference in class will be apparent. Granted, Martinez didn’t look great against Barker and Macklin, I agree! After beating Pavlik and Williams back to back, would you be pumped to be fighting Barker and Macklin???? Not likely. You’re right,Pirog would have been a better choice, but either he was not available or was not interested. On a side note, I don’t really see Pirog’s willingness to fight the best in his career choices, as he has opted to make a series of easy defenses and backed out of a fight with Golovkin (who is an absolute beast by the way), citing some sort of injury if I recall. Anyway, so Andy Lee sparred Martinez? I did not know, I guess he really is the closest thing to a common opponent Jr. and Sergio have. Just one thing, sparring for training purposes with headgear on is probably a little different than being in a live fight and a comparison between the two will never really give you the same results, just saying. Whatever, speculation time is all but done, tomorrow will answer all questions, Enjoy the fight!

Posted September 15, 2012 2:08 am 


Ricco

Btw Brusier, Andy Lee has worked out with Martinez (sparred), and fought Chavez Jr, and his take is Sergio is in for a difficult night. From someone’s that spent time in the ring with both.

Posted September 15, 2012 12:35 am 


Ricco

Btw, I have Pavlik v taylor 1. I think Taylor is a good/heavy puncher (a little wild sometimes, and rigid), and solid. But, Taylor had a lot of defensive holes in his game, and I feel he’s a little overrated. And, when I see Martinez being handled by Margarito, and struggling with the likes of barker, and Macklin (or whatever the frik his name is)…I’m just not impressed. he should’ve faced Pirogg who is a much better/dangerous fighter.

Posted September 15, 2012 12:30 am 


Ricco

No, that was directed at the poster of this script. But since you have engaged me I will awknowledge your posts The Bruiser. I understand where you’re coming from, but in saying that Chavez is Sturdier than Pavlik is not in any way an insult to his “grit factor” or chin. I think Kelly is a very tough dude, and takes a really good shot, but he’s just not as solid as Jr is. Chavez, has a better stance to begin with and better balance, important when obsorbing punches (learned this the hard way from personal experience). Additionally, Chavez keeps his gloves closer to his face than Pavlik (looser stance/guard). Chavez has better tehcnique than does Pavlik when it comes to fighting inside (uppercuts/hook to the body, ect…), and allows less space to develope between himself and his opponet. Chavez has tighter footwork than Pavlik too. I actually think Pavlik v Chavez is a fun fight for as long as Pavlik can stay in it. Can Martinez win this fight? of course he can, but so can Chavez. I think Paul Williams was a really tough ww, not the same level of compettetor as middleweight. he just didn’t as stong when he moved up in weight, and I think he would of suffer more KO losses had he not crippled himself.

Posted September 14, 2012 11:25 pm 


WTF?

All this talk about Chavez Jr. having a great chin is laughable.. who the Hell has he fought that tested his chin? What great KO artist did he fight at was his actual size??? When he does that and takes some devastating shots and gets past those shots with no issues then we can talk about Chavez Jr. having a great Chin.. but until then it’s a claim as silly as claiming Chavez Jr. is any kind of great Boxer… It’s all part of the illusion… aka Con Job…

Posted September 14, 2012 10:11 pm 


ThaBruiser

“Chavez has a better chin than Pavlik and Martinez couldn’t even buzz Kelly. Martinez cut Pavlik, but couldn’t hurt him enough to even stun him. Andy Lee is a bigger middleweight/puncher than Martinez, and couldn’t hurt Chavez! Chavez is a better body puncher than Pavlik with a tighter defense, and quicker footwork. Pavlik has a looser stance than Jr too. Sorry, but this guy is way off into fantasy land (I guess he likes Mratinez sense of style).”

-Was this directed at me? if it wasn’t I apologize in advance, I did bring up a comparison about whether Pavlik or Chavez Jr. was the harder puncher, but only in response to guys who keep saying that Jr. is a “much harder puncher” than Kelly, which I think is completely off base and is not something you can state as if it were fact. Anyway, lets have a look at your argument: 1. Chavez has a better chin than Pavlik. You’re stating that like its a fact, how do you back up that statement? I’ll make it easy on you and provide you with the evidence you failed to provide. Jr. has never been down, Kelly has. Kelly was knocked down by Jermaine Taylor, by a brutal series of punches that would have stopped most people. Your best counter argument would be that Taylor can’t punch, therefore Kelly’s chin is weak and Chavez has the better chin. Although, if you recall, Taylor is the only man to knock down Carl Froch, a man who also has a reputation for having an iron chin, having been chin checked by the likes of Mikkel Kessler, Lucien Bute, and Arthur Abraham, that claim looks pretty solid. Therefore, Jermaine is not a soft puncher but a pretty good puncher and Kelly just happened to get nailed by some seriously hard shots that put him down. 2.” Andy Lee is a bigger middleweight (OK, true) puncher (WHAT!!!!) than Martinez” . Dude, come on!!! don’t say it like its fact, BACK IT UP! What’s your proof bro? Have you sparred both of them and come out saying “DAMN! Andy Lee is a way bigger puncher than Sergio”. I can’t think of a common opponent to use for comparison, so we’ll never know, but don’t say it like its truth. Say it for what it is, your opinion. Everything else you said was fine, although I did laugh when you talked about Chavez Jr. “quick footwork” and “tight defense”, not normally terms we throw around when talking about Jr., but granted you were speaking in terms of comparison to Pavlik, which is fine, you clearly have a trained eye for the sport and can catch stuff us foolsdon’tknowcrapaboutboxing miss.

Posted September 14, 2012 9:23 pm 


Ricco

Chavez has a better chin than Pavlik and Martinez couldn’t even buzz Kelly. Martinez cut Pavlik, but couldn’t hurt him enough to even stun him. Andy Lee is a bigger middleweight/puncher than Martinez, and couldn’t hurt Chavez! Chavez is a better body puncher than Pavlik with a tighter defense, and quicker footwork. Pavlik has a looser stance than Jr too. Sorry, but this guy is way off into fantasy land (I guess he likes Mratinez sense of style). Chavez will run martinez into the canvas, and stop him brutally by the 11th rd.

Posted September 14, 2012 8:26 pm 


Kid Blast

Whew! Now I can relax.

Posted September 14, 2012 8:18 pm 


Kid Blast

Gee, a writer who is a lawyer. How sickening.

Posted September 14, 2012 8:17 pm 


Pain

Sergio will be beaten up badly. It’s Margarito-Martinez over again! Chavez by KO8!

Posted September 14, 2012 7:59 pm 


ThaBruiser

I’ve seen this issue pop up on other threads when the topic of Jr.’s punching power comes up, “who hits harder Kelly Pavlik or Chavez Jr.?” Of course only someone who has fought them both could ever answer that question. Their only common opponent of note is fringe contender Marco Antonio Rubio. Watching those fights it seems to me that Pavlik’s shots carried far more power and inflicted much greater pain upon Rubio than Jr.’s punches. The end result speaks for itself. Pavlik made Rubio quit. Chavez did not. To say Chavez Jr. punches harder than Kelly Pavlik is not backed up by fact.

Posted September 14, 2012 7:20 pm 


philly shell

i agree with most of this (comma) but please (comma) work on your english (comma) cause you don’t need so many commas.

Posted September 14, 2012 7:16 pm 


te tumbo

you have a point. accordingly, Martinez gets “0″ credit for defeating another opponent in his long list of overrated Americans, B- and C-level unknowns, or over-hyped “sons of legends”.

Posted September 14, 2012 6:42 pm 


Titopa

Even if here were to beat Martinez, he won’t be in the P4P rankings…you gotta earn that, you don’t get there by beating dozens of C level fighters and beating just ONE A level fighter. You gotta keep winning against the BEST and in dominate fashion, like Martinez has been.

Posted September 14, 2012 5:09 pm 


te tumbo

feel free to do the same to acknowledge Jr’s. middleweight supremacy and P4P status if things don’t work out in Martinez’s favor..

Posted September 14, 2012 4:41 pm 


Miatesvallenverga

Chavez by Ko in 11

Posted September 14, 2012 4:31 pm 


Jiggyjoe

None of you know what is going to happen yet you act like prophets. Let me be the next in line then by saying that boxing runs more on money than on talent alone. You think the event was sold out because of matinez. Follow the money trail and you can better predict fights these days. You all bet with your hearts but I bet with my brain. Peace

Posted September 14, 2012 4:15 pm 


Titopa

I’m not arguing with your pick, because I agree Sergio wins via KO/TKO….just questioning the “I am correct”. Gotch!

Posted September 14, 2012 4:10 pm 


Its Me, Ernie

It’ll never happen. Feel free to chime in after the fight to acknowledge Sergio’s greatness.

Posted September 14, 2012 4:00 pm 


BritFansAreDelusional

It will be a close fight early on and Martinez will start to put the pressure on in the middle rounds, frustrating Chavez. By the 10th round, Chavez will be spent and Martinez will go for the KO.

Posted September 14, 2012 3:54 pm 


Rocco

THANK YOU!!! Nobody else is saying this. I’ve said it from the get-go. It’s one thing to be able to take shots against smaller C class (at best) opponents, But when you are in with a guy who has Speed AND Power, well, We’ll see about that chin tomorrow.

Posted September 14, 2012 3:33 pm 


LAboxer

Martinez by TKO. I see this fight being close the first 5 rounds. Afterwards Martinez will turn it on and start landing at will on Jr.

Posted September 14, 2012 3:16 pm 


Boxtradamus

The weigh in is irrelevant. The outcome is already determined. Martinez by stoppage. As Ward just showed us once again last week….SKILLS is more important than SIZE!!!

Posted September 14, 2012 2:59 pm 


Popkins

Yep Sergio by KO.

Posted September 14, 2012 2:52 pm 


Titopa

I somewhat agree!

Posted September 14, 2012 2:45 pm 


ThaBruiser

Excellent analysis and analogy to Pavlik v. Martinez. I also share your view that Jr. will simply be outclassed by Martinez. There is nothing particular to Jr’s fighting style (his size and aggression) that Sergio has not seen before. He has been in with a physically massive lumbering power puncher in Pavlik and in with a non-stop action swarming volume puncher in P. Williams. Both guys subjected Sergio to harsher treatment than anything Sergio can expect on the 15th. Jr. on the other hand will be facing a fighting style he has never seen before and one that does not lend itself to his particular way of fighting, especially against a puncher like Martinez (and yes, Martinez is a bona-fide puncher). Remember George Foreman’s old adage “You NEVER follow a puncher around”. Jr. may wish he had Big George giving him advise instead of his dad and Freddie Roach.

Posted September 14, 2012 2:43 pm 


Titopa

How are you correct? They haven’t even weighed in :roll:

Posted September 14, 2012 2:42 pm 


jalopy

yup, I agree with this article. I figured the same thing, TKO at the later rounds.

Posted September 14, 2012 2:38 pm 


Anonymous

I expect a RTD ending to the fight when Chavez handlers decide they don’t want to see their fighter end up face first on the mat.

Posted September 14, 2012 2:33 pm 


Boxtradamus

I took Martinez by brutal stoppage on the DAY that the Fight was announced and I am CORRECT! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!

Posted September 14, 2012 2:29 pm 


WTF?

All this talk about Chavez Jr. having a great chin is laughable.. who the Hell has he fought that tested his chin? What great KO artist did he fight at was his actual size??? When he does that and takes some devastating shots and gets past those shots with no issues then we can talk about Chavez Jr. having a great Chin.. but until then it’s a claim as silly as claiming Chavez Jr. is any kind of great Boxer… It’s all part of the illusion… aka Con Job…

Posted September 14, 2012 2:26 pm 


Joachim UK

While Chavez may not be the walking corpse that De La Hoya was in the Pacquiao fight, we may see a similar ending.

Posted September 14, 2012 2:09 pm 


drx

good prediction

Posted September 14, 2012 2:08 pm 


Anonymous

While Chavez may not be the walking corpse that De La Hoya was in the Pacquiao fight, we may see a similar ending.

Posted September 14, 2012 2:05 pm 


Titopa

Agreed!

Posted September 14, 2012 2:02 pm 


ru

Good analogy!!!!

Posted September 14, 2012 1:54 pm 



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