No need to worry Pacquioa, steamroll thru Rios and call out Floyd.Posted September 4, 2013 8:37 pm
Peej wrote”What you fail to realize in Pacs previous KOs he was not put to sleep. He was just KOd. Against Marquez he was put to sleep. Name me one boxer that has ever come back from that. Also Pac was looking for a way out against Agapito Sanchez. That is why Pac ducked Guzman, because Guzman handled Sanchez with ease and Pac wanted to quit. Pac also clearly lost the 3rd Marquez fight. Something you clearly fail to mention when saying he clearly beat Marquez and Sanchez in the first fights and also clearly beat Bradley and the WBO said that. If the WBO said that then they would of issued an immediate rematch or overturned that bout in there records.”
PAC avoided Guzman …lol if he had fought Guzman you would be the first one to say he cherry picked him lol….Posted September 4, 2013 5:25 am
Rios is good but PAC IS THE GREATEST WARRIOR EVER BORN!!!!Posted September 4, 2013 3:36 am
PacMan Will destory Rios ! All this talk that Rios is give. Is just haype to believe in himself , but anything is possiblePosted September 3, 2013 2:12 pm
As long that I have $250M in my pocket and not going to jail, you can call me steroid user as you like.Posted September 3, 2013 10:13 am
AND WHAT GREAT TESTING WE GOT NOW.Posted September 3, 2013 9:57 am
Actually drugs where a problem back in the day also. They just didn’t have testing back then.Posted September 3, 2013 9:36 am
DONT COMPARE CLEAN LEGENDS OF YEARS AGO WITH THESE DRUG CHEATS TODAY.Posted September 3, 2013 8:35 am
N0 0ne wud pass up s0 much m0ney just t0 av0id a test 0nly t0 c0me back n request f0r the same test against a lesser b0xer. P0int is if Marquez juiced s0 was Pac.Posted September 3, 2013 8:11 am
I d0n’t see the big hype abt Ri0s, Pac shud put him away with ease, unless his deteri0ted badly.Posted September 3, 2013 8:08 am
Gold = GonzoPosted September 3, 2013 3:36 am
I talk too much
YES YOU DO.Posted September 3, 2013 3:09 am
Gold, I had some other medicine in mind–like Thorazine or Lithium.
Clearly you have some form of Asperger’s and/or possibly Tourette’s.
Thing is, you are a very sick f-u-c-kPosted September 3, 2013 12:39 am
True. Peace brother.Posted September 3, 2013 12:19 am
I talk too muchPosted September 2, 2013 11:55 pm
Mike Tyson: “In all sports we all want to compete and to be the best and to be the best we will do anything”
So basically, if you weren’t on it before, at some point, you may find yourself using in order to compete. Now if you do, that’s up to you.
It has to suck to have to come to that choice as an athlete.
An increased drug testing policy, to have the very best testing regimen available, a Trusted protocol available, one that is fair and will really dive into what is what…is something I would think a “natural” athlete would like.Posted September 2, 2013 11:04 pm
Jenna J: Mike the question I hear most from boxing fans lately is “How would Tyson do against today’s champions.” I have you here now, so how do you think you would do against the Klitschko’s?
Mike Tyson: I would always beat them, listen, I would think the same way that I would think today, I’d probably be using some more steroids or something but I was beating them the same way when I wasn’t using the stuff. It’s very difficult to compete now without using that stuff. I know people say “I don’t use it” but it’s almost impossible to compete without that stuff, almost impossible. It’s part of our culture now.
Jenna J: You say it’s hard for fighters today to compete with without using something. A lot of fighters are taking it now Mike, a lot of fighters are on performance enhancing drugs. What do you think of where boxing is?
Mike Tyson: No, no. All the fighters are on it, the ones that can afford it are on it. That’s my opinion only, I haven’t seen nobody do it but it’s common knowledge.
Jenna J: So you think that a lot of the top fighters today, if they’re at the elite, that they maybe are doing something they shouldn’t be doing?
Mike Tyson: Well listen, if they’re doing it in baseball, if they’re doing it in football, if they’re doing it in cycling, and you tell me that they’re not doing it in boxing. No, this is not true. In all sports we all want to compete and to be the best and to be the best we will do anything. There’s very little honor in this game for success and accomplishments, we get it any way we can.
Jenna J: Mike, what do you think of the guys that are being accused of it like Manny Pacquiao? Manny has had it through his career and now they are accusing Marquez of it?
Mike Tyson: Hey, I wasn’t there when somebody gave them some drugs or anything, I’m just saying this and quote me, it’s almost impossible to compete nowadays without it.Posted September 2, 2013 11:01 pm
The cure I have actually found for this problem is environmental change. I traveled to a different environment and My sinuses cleared up, my asthma disappears. Goddamn environment is killing me. But being int his current environment, I fight back with medicine.
Now how much alike is that like those athletes that feel they need to stay in the game, compete amongst their peers, to compete in the current environment, by fighting back with the use of PEDs/Medicine?
That’s what I think Tyson’s recent rant was about on ESPN and also on that boxing website/radio show when asked about if he could compete with the modern fighters: He said on ESPN about in his own mind, fighting “CLEAN…with food and water…No Steroids, etc. etc. etc.”…He feels he would win. Now on the interview with the radio show, On The Ropes boxing radio, he says:Posted September 2, 2013 11:00 pm
True. I had this debate with my Doctor who couldn’t understand why I have been trying to grind it out for so long. If I need medicine to stay healthy, I need to take it. And there is a difference between those that “need” it and those that use it that don’t need it that are purposefully using to gain an advantage.
I still try to avoid asthma meds and look for alternative means. I work out routinely, well built, healthy otherwise but I can’t run long distance. Goddamn that is emasculating. I need to take a puff of a steroid to help me out if I want to. I just stick with sprints and pace myself. But could it be hurting me with the inflammation? Maybe.
* There are athletes that don’t need such medicines that will take it to boost their performance. Now how much of a difference is there with someone like me that would need it to enable myself to run and train for a longer period of time vs. someone that could do it on his/her own without but will use to increase the normal performance?
That was actually the debate on ADHD medicines: Some actually need it while more often you’ll see those that don’t need it taking it to gain an edge. It’s become a real issue in college and the work-force.
The same can be said about certain steroids that are used for medical purposes and those that are used and abused by athletes to gain an edge amongst their competitors. however, I do wonder about the TRT debate that you see in MMA: should these athletes that are medically able to take TRT just retire or should they be allowed as long as they are regulated and restricted on how much they can use?
Hecdog. How ive missed you in my absence. However I have nothing bad to say, that was actually a good post. Anyways I think pac man has this one as long as he doesn’t get over excited like he did against Marquez. Rios tho its a far cry in style and skill set from Marquez. I’m going late tko for Pac. 9-10 maybe 11Posted September 2, 2013 10:47 pm
“Taking something to help or cure you is one thing. Taking something to enhance your performance and gain an edge is cheating”, which is why in a competitive arena, PEDs are not classified as medicine but illegal enhancers, i.e., cheating.Posted September 2, 2013 10:43 pm
That aside, if there is one thing I need to work on that no pill will be able to do for me, something I admire what “some” of these athletes are able to do, it is to remain discipline. To have a Goal(s), work hard, stay discipline and try to give myself the best chance to reach my goal.
I wonder how many cheat themselves by not having such things in their life…Posted September 2, 2013 10:35 pm
Gold your comparing apples to oranges. Taking something to help or cure you is one thing. Taking something to enhance your performance and gain an edge is cheating.Posted September 2, 2013 10:34 pm
Dr. Dre-w :
Yes, I use medicine to help me out.
Sometimes I am like forget it, I don’t need it. I can grind out the day. But then I’ll take my medicine and say, Why would I not take this. After all, my quality of life increases. My health is better off with it.
Ex: I can’t stand Year Round sinuses. It effects my life. It makes my breathing more difficult which effects my daily routine. The Sinus drip gets into my mouth which effects my sense of taste. It drips into my lungs which makes them inflamed and hurts my stamina when I run. When I sleep at night, I breath harder which forces my body to overwork and its harder for my body to rest properly which is key in recovery and having a great day the next day. Your Mind and Body are all effected by how you rest.
I take a pill and a squirt in the nose sometimes and it clears up my problem which enables me to sleep better. And in return, it helps me recover throughout the night and wake up more refreshed than normal.
Breathing is an amazing thing. One pill, and you see the world clearer.
Some take medicine for asthma, for their thyroid, for diabetes, for a variety of ailments. Should they or shouldn’t they?Posted September 2, 2013 10:31 pm
There is only ONE MAN that will go down in the HISTORY of ANY SPORT that turned down 40 MILLION DOLLLARS to AVOID TAKE A BLOOD TEST. I have a question. HOW MANY GUYS ON THIS FORUM would turn down a MILLION dollars to avoid a BLOOD TEST? How about 20 Million? How about 35 Million? Enough said. THANK YOU!Posted September 2, 2013 10:20 pm
Gold is on meds!!!!!!!!!!Posted September 2, 2013 10:04 pm
Medicines were made to help stabilize, aid in recovery, and cure people. They are a good thing if used right. Absolutely agree. I am on medicines that have changed my life for the better and many more people have used medicines at some point in their life to live.
It gets blurry when athletes and others that don’t need them are using or at least that is the debate.
Take for example HGH: Your average person that can afford HGH and other forms of Steroids, may be able to use them to help aid in recovery while Athletes, I don’t think are allowed to because of testing and perception despite these “medicines” being good for recovery under a doctor’s supervision.
Football players for example, way back when before they were made illegal, were using them under Doctor’s supervision to help aid in recovery.
These medicines have been given a bad reputation by those that abuse them.Posted September 2, 2013 8:37 pm
It was all about the story I would say:
They liked the idea of someone surviving Cancer and coming back and winning. Someone climbing up all those hills to reach the mountain top. It’s the underdog story.
They like stories of someone that is from the bottom that rose high above the field and winning.
David vs. Goliath.
It’s the dream state. It’s hero worship like you said.Posted September 2, 2013 8:30 pm
Steroid was develop to cure illness, my sister is dead by now if not for steroid, what bad is athletes use it to gain advantage on their adversary.Posted September 2, 2013 8:29 pm
I wonder if it is worth it and how people define cheating in life. And are those that are using something in every day society giving themselves a pass but not the athlete?
It seems many cheaters just say “Well, others are doing it so I am doing it.” And that seems to be more of an excuse for them to use than what is reality. or is it? I don’t know.
Fans seem to think the majority are on it. Maybe its just the lies throughout the years that have them come to a conclusion that it is better to accept this belief than to feel lied to after.
Some athletes have come forwards and actually said they think that a majority are not on it but it is a high enough percentage to have a concern. Maybe it depends on the s sport.
I love the story of the “Natural” Person competing in life and winning through Hard Work and Perseverance. Especially the Underdog story of someone over achieving through such natural means.
but overall, some are still given opportunities that others will never have a chance of even having. Is that fair?
Life is really something. It’s full of self interpretation I guess.
How should I feel about using medicine to get me through the day? Maybe its all just down to what you are able to accept as what you needed to do in order to live your life and don’t worry about what others are doing for their life as you don’t really know what they are doing behind closed doors.
LIfe is something else.Posted September 2, 2013 8:26 pm
Niave is putting it kindly Gold. I suspected Lance for some time and largely for the reason you.put forth i. Your previous post. The sport was riddled with ped use and to say that Lance Armstrong beat ALL of these users through sheer will and determination is just plain idol worshipping in.my book. Sadly yes my friend, ped use is now a universal epidemic. Cheers.Posted September 2, 2013 8:16 pm
Hollywood is a funny place to look at:
Actors are using Steroids. They are getting plastic surgery. They are using other forms of drugs to compete for roles.
People reading lines and acting out scenes for a living are willing to cheat to live their dreams and make money. Amazing.
And kids will watch.
Batman, Superman, Thor, etc…what are the chances that the actors that played them were not on some form of PED?Posted September 2, 2013 8:04 pm
You cheating on a test is still cheating. It let you pass that test. Maybe you fail the class and that moment of being behind allows just one person to enter and he/she passes. Now that person is ahead and that little moment in time may have allowed that person to get into a school or get a job that you could have went for.
Why do you smoke if it doesn’t do anything?
You get paid in every day life.
Some people need stimulants to get themselves through their daily grind at work. They’ll take pain medicine to top it off. Without them, they wouldn’t be able to do their job because they can’t make it through the day in pain and tired.
You don’t have to use drugs but many do at some point in their life in some form. Like I said, to survive and or thrive.
That said, YES, I understand the overall point. I would like to see “Clean” athletes competing but I also came to the realization that most are on something in every day life.
There are people out there using drugs to get ahead and it is working out for them. They get into better schools, they get better jobs, they get hotter partners, etc.
Now does that mean you have to or should use it? NO. I’m just letting you know that like in Sports, not everyone is clean. And in regular society, people aren’t getting routinely drug tested.Posted September 2, 2013 8:01 pm
I’m not even sure how people thought he was clean all that time when the sport was riddled with PED use. We are talking about someone winning in a sport where STAMINA is the main attribute and that was being boosted by other riders (who came and admitted it) through Blood Doping/EPO use. And people actually thought he was “clean” beating these other athletes?
We do things to get us through the day, to compete, to survive and thrive.
I use medicine to live as well.
Drugs can be used for good and they can be used for bad. The lines tend to get blurry when we talk about Human Nature’s resourcefulness to compete in this game of life.
What’s to stop some poor kid from a 3rd world country from using in order to get himself out of poverty?
Here is a FACT:
Cycling is not popular in the USA except when Lance was involved.
Steroids were first used by Europeans in sports. Americans, like the little brother they were at the time, followed.
East Germany setup programs to juice their athletes.
More athletes from Europe tested positive than Americans over the years.
Americans learned to love Steroids by watching the Mega-Star, Austrian born and raised, Arnold Schwarzenegger, show that Steroids are a Great way to reach your Dreams.
Arnold is incredible, steroids or not. Watch Bill Burr’s bit on Arnold. Brilliant.
Not all the top boxers have been busted with PEDs.
I’m not even sure the Europeans have been testing for Steroids throughout the years except in Germany.
We can list off names of European Fighters that are suspect of using PEDs just like the Americans who weren’t caught.
HUMANS, throughout the World, are always looking for a way to survive and thrive. And they will do that by competing and cheating if they have to. It’s not an American thing; it’s a Human thing.
If others weren’t cheating in the World, UTOPIA would have been reached outside of the USA…but it hasn’t.Posted September 2, 2013 7:29 pm
Manny Pacquiao definitely needs to be careful, but that goes for all fights. Yes he did get knocked out by Ped Man Marquez, and the way he fell and stayed there was scary and shocking. A fighter’s number one priority should be their health. Freddy is more aware of that than anybody because of the disease he has. I just hope that Freddy doesn’t jump the gun if by chance Manny gets hurt, and there’s always that chance. Manny has never been a defensive genius, but he needs to be focused and ready for anything. On paper, Manny should blow Rios out of the water unless he’s totally damaged goods, which is always a possibility. I personally think Manny will be fine and will put on a fantastic display of boxing skills, power and defense. Brandon Rios is no push over. He was a world champion, and that speaks volumes about who he is. He may not have great speed of hand or movement, but he has a huge heart, power and a relentless will to win. This will be a very intriguing and exciting fight to watch. Manny wins by 9th round stoppage.Posted September 2, 2013 7:20 pm
I had Pacquiao ahead when he walked into Marquez’s shot… Also, Pacquiao had the momentum as well which is why he became over-confident. Rios was hurt on a few occasions by Alvarado by taking shots to the top of the head. I think this is Pacquiao’s fight to lose as Rios does not bother too much with defense.Posted September 2, 2013 6:26 pm
Yes, Lance Armstrong was a disgrace. A lot of people looked up to him, not myself but people Iknow. Incredibly they to this day actually look for ways to JUSTIFY his cheating. This man led a very sophisticated operation that was staggering in its efficiency and effectiveness. I personally don’t engage them in that conversation because quite frankly it comes across as not only being willfully ignorant and biased to the extreme but also just plain stupid. No this is not a European thing here. This is a universal issue in the world of athletic competition.Posted September 2, 2013 6:22 pm
P4P- PED FOR PED floys drinks montain dew while training,hence performance enhancing caffeine.Posted September 2, 2013 5:58 pm
Cheated to gain an edge, not in a sport that I was competing in. Cheated on a test, yeah I have, can’t lie about that but it wasn’t gonna help me get a job or beat anybody out of any position. Smoked a little, well smoked a lot but not to calm my nerves. So basically I didn’t do anything to get an edge over anybody else. And in sports that what people are doing. In sports you are getting paid and the better you do the more you get paid. And to cheat to get ahead of someone that is not cheating is wrong. And that should be stopped. It all goes back to the old saying if everybody is jumping off a building are you going to follow also?Posted September 2, 2013 4:31 pm
Gold excellent post and even better insight my friend. I for one have always believed a person is judged or should be judged by the content of his character and not on the basis of race, skin color a.d background. Because of thus I have enjoyed some really good friendships that have lasted years with people from various races and walks oflife. Im sure Pacquiao is the real goods. As a fellow Christian I can see he co.ducts himself with sincere humbleness. This in spite of his being in the HURT business.Lol. That was evident in his brotherly love fest with Mosley whom he definitely went easy on. He admitted as much later on in a moent of candidness. Appreciate your comments friend and enjoy reading your posts. Much peace and strength to you mate. Cheers.Posted September 2, 2013 4:26 pm
Your body might be used to the Caffeine. You might be getting dehydrated which will make you tired. You might be overloading with Sugar which shuts you down. Or maybe you don’t react to Caffeine anymore or never quite did like others.
Have you ever cheated in your life to gain an edge?
Any drug use, legal or illegal?
How about cheating on a School test?
My point is there are many cheaters out there.
What defines cheating or gaining an edge I guess would be open for discussion and definition.
Is it a little cheating, a lot of cheating or…..
What’s the playing field and what are the agreements. If it is all out in the open, maybe that is when it is not cheating.
Cheating is secrecy??Posted September 2, 2013 4:02 pm
Fair enough and well said Peej. However on most sites I’ve frequented I really haven’t seen derogatory comments anywhere near the rate or level of nastiness from Pacquiao fans as I have read and heard fro Mayweather fans. It’s almost a one sided fight there. Perso.ally I hope Pacquiao retires SOON if not for the simple fact that these mean spirited and degrading comments will likely cease. Appreciate your viewpoints Peej and on a lighter note peace and blessings to your household soldier. Cheers my friend.Posted September 2, 2013 3:56 pm
JOEY. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT DRUG TESTING IN THE USA, JUST ASK LAMONT PETERSON 200 DOLLAR FINE AND A TWO MONTH BAN.Posted September 2, 2013 3:55 pm
I meant to say and have posted some neutral commentary on this forum…. Apologies gentlemen.Posted September 2, 2013 3:46 pm
I don’t think it is the fact of what Floyd and his team said. It is more to the fact of what Pac fans said and how they would automatically belittle any person who did not think the same way about Pac. If Pac was not the greatest thing then f you. That there in turn had turned folks against Pac. I like Pac and I have seen most of his fights once he was with Freddie Roach. Actually I have seen all of them since he teamed up with Roach. I for one don’t believe he is on anything, he is just a beast. But Pac fans just like Floyd fans want to compare the 2 and claim one is better than the other. I claim Floyds resume is better. But you say that to a Pac fan, then prepared to get insulted. I am a boxing fan first though and can look through both sides of the glass. Not everybody is able to do that. I do have fighters that I do dislike though and root against them constantly.Posted September 2, 2013 3:46 pm
Unfortunately I see there is STILL a lot of just pure senseless HATE for manny Pacquiao on this forum.foe strictly unsubstantiated reasons . The same recycled arguments about alleged Ped Use that never was proven to have existed. Only because Floyd Mayweather and his clan decreed it so. The damage that was vreated by Mayweather and his people with this baseless lie is evident by some of the truly ignorant comments posted on this board. I have to say something here. First I won’t go into the endless back and forth about drug testing. Mayweather fanatics, not boxing fans will to the teeth conti.ue to say Pacquiao refused testing and all that dribble. Whatever. The issue here is the man Pacquiao that is has been a respectable and brave fighter with yes a flawed style but still an effective style, who has put his blood,sweat and tears on the line MANY times.Against some very formidable competition. While they were still good. Fought a man that could give him hell several times in Marquez. He none the less stepped up to the plate and took those risks. He never disrespected his opponents nor denigrated them on a personal level lije SOME. Yet he seems to bring out the WORST in certain people when his name is mentioned on this forum. Why is beyond me. I do have an idea why but its better to leave certain things unsaid. The man has proved his mettle countless times and I for one will appreciate his class and quiet dignity till he calls it a wrap on his career. Which I hope for health reasons will be soon. Those of you who are neutral and habe losted some well balanced commentary on here kudos gentlemen. The rest of you who habe issues with this man, well just do as you will if that’s what keeps you sane. All the same cheersPosted September 2, 2013 3:40 pm
PEDs are World Wide. Boxers in one country don’t hold superior access to PEDs over another. Europe, South America, Asia…it’s all over the World.Posted September 2, 2013 3:38 pm
GOLD.YOUR SPOT ON. BUT I WAS TALKING BOXING AND WHEN IT COMES TO DRUGS NO CONTEST.Posted September 2, 2013 3:24 pm
“Lance also went through an insane testing regimen that is able to deter and catch cheaters unlike the current boxing testing which is completely laughable. The biological passport testing system is key I hear. I think Lance and others said if that was in place he wouldn’t have been able to cheat.” – Gold, good comments there. USADA busting Lance was a game changer that athletes are still coming to terms with. Testing in boxing, MLB, NBA and NFL are pathetic because they don’t want to catch anyone.Posted September 2, 2013 3:20 pm
Caffeine doesn’t keep me up at all. I can drink soda after soda, tea after tea and I will pass right out. Like I said if you use it to get an edge like most athletes do then you are cheating plain and simple.Posted September 2, 2013 3:18 pm
ring-rust; severely-dented chin, jaw, and psyche; look for Rios to finally teach Pacquiao* the folly of underestimating an opponent and overestimating his own promotional “greatness”. Pacquiao* can’t box so it will be a slugfest, i.e., Rios’ fight. Manny* will not be able to hang v. the biggest, strongest, hungriest, and fiercest Rios ever. if lightweights and welters couldn’t dent Rios’ chin, then neither will the punches of a hard-punching featherweight, regardless of enhancement. i’m anticipating multiple KDs and a KO/TKO win by Rios in whatever round. predictable if not easy work for Rios.Posted September 2, 2013 3:15 pm
Europeans started Steroids and continually use. American athletes are even going to Europe, Germany mainly, now to get high quality medicines and surgeries that aren’t being used here…sadly. It makes no sense and it is absurd for our citizens to have to go over there. Politics at its best.
With all the great discoveries being done in certain American University Medical labs, I do wonder what will happen when it is ready to be released: will it be released for public use or will it have to find its way to Europe?Posted September 2, 2013 3:09 pm
THERE ALL ON THE AMERICAN JUICE, PERIOD.Posted September 2, 2013 2:54 pm
The trainer’s comparison to what happened with Marquez and what may happen with Rios if Pac trades doesn’t make sense. Marquez has always been a great counterpuncher. That’s what put Pac to sleep. Rios doesn’t implement offense and defense simultaneously like that. So Pac is free to go bombs away. If he can’t outpunch Rios then it’s proof he’s physically in decline and he should pack it in.Posted September 2, 2013 2:47 pm
Cycling was a good example. Great European Cheating sport. Lance took it to another level but was so damn egotistical about things that he made enemies and brought attention to it all. The Europeans were just like damn…what are you doing Yank. And he brought down a Great European Dr. in the process.
If Americans were in Soccer, that sport would get exposed more too.
Humans. Always finding a way to get that edge.Posted September 2, 2013 2:40 pm
They should probably be a bit more ninja like the Europeans I guess. Maybe it is that Ego difference. Americans are to knew school. Old School people, like Old Money, like to hide it better. Stay Humble. Stay at the Top and don’t draw attention to yourself in your cheating ways.Posted September 2, 2013 2:34 pm
Caffeine is a PED. It’s illegal at high doses by certain testers. Chael Sonnen talked about that. It’s also dangerous in high doses because of dehydration so maybe that is the root of why it was made illegal; I don’t know. Either way, Caffeine is a Performance Enhancing drug. After all, you use it to stay up, working longer hours…have that STAMINA to do so. Without it, would you be able to do it the same? NO. That’s why you take it.
All the other stimulants are the same. People use it to compete and get ahead of the field.
I know a lot of people that were average students that started to use ADHD and Narcolepsy medicines to study who turned themselves into A students. They are in Top rated Colleges who are getting good grades and getting ahead of others that aren’t using. They are getting better jobs because of it. Is that not Cheating?
Your life just went from average making $15 an hour to $50 or more. You now have the opportunity to get a hotter wife, have fancier clothes, better foods, better house…all which allows your offspring to live a better life. Is that not cheating others?
Take away all those drugs…from stimulants to pain pills that help you get through the day…You don’t think society would change? You don’t think people would fall off and others would take their place?
If you are using something “extra” that helps you get through the day, to compete…you are not “natural.”
Like Tyson said…FOOD AND WATER, No Steroids, no nothing.. and let’s see who the best is.
Life isn’t fair.Posted September 2, 2013 2:23 pm
It is called hard work. Getting an edge by drugs is cheating plain and simple. That is like in baseball when they used to cork the bats so they could hit it farther. Some people have more strength than other people. That is just the way it is. If you have to use drugs to get an edge then it is cheating. Taking caffeine to stay up late to work longer hours is not the same as taking something that can give you more stamina in a fight, in a long distance run. I won’t change my opinion on that. If you are a fighter that fades down the stretch and then starts taking something and then you start getting stronger down the stretch, there is a problem with that. You are just giving permission to let someone just load there gloves up. I don’t hit that hard, I only have 5 KOs in 30 fights, I need to load my gloves just so I can compete and stay compitive with other fighters.Posted September 2, 2013 2:13 pm
PEDS and Sports, PEDS and LIFE, go hand in hand.Posted September 2, 2013 2:09 pm
PEDS AND BOXING, GO HAND IN HAND.Posted September 2, 2013 2:05 pm
If I were a clean athlete, a clean competitor in every day society, someone born with Good Looks and/or a higher capability of intelligence, would I want everyone to stay clean? YES. Why would I want more competition…Posted September 2, 2013 1:50 pm
Many more are on Testosterone shots, HGH shots, etc. as they get older to stay in the game. Even younger ones are doing it just to get ahead. To get that hot girl. To get that job because you are better looking with your Manly physique.
We are a drug culture. We use to stay in the game. To compete. To get an edge.Posted September 2, 2013 1:46 pm
Now do many use PEDs to get that edge, to get that big contract in today’s era? HELL YEAH. but so are most of the rest in every day society that use Adderall to get better grades in school and get that competitive edge for that high salaried job. Just like past generations were loading up on caffeine to work longer hours and still use that wonder drug today if they can’t get their hands on drugs like Modafinil.Posted September 2, 2013 1:46 pm
You are constantly training and the rate of being injured goes up. You need to recover. You need your energy higher which is why “Amphetamines” were popular in sports for a long time and still are if they can get away with it. Now that they are illegal in many, maybe all, High doses of Caffeine is still the go to drug as well as Ritalin, Adderalll, Modafinal and other stimulants to keep you up and going.Posted September 2, 2013 1:46 pm
I might have to do this in sections since it is not saving what I postPosted September 2, 2013 1:45 pm
Its different from athletes because athletes are trying to get an edge. These athletes are getting paid big bucks and the better they do the more they get paid. That is the big issue. Yes you can say some athletes use to help with injuries but to be using the stuff all the time. Come on now, you are not injured your whole career. You use it to heal and then stop using it. Like Mosley when he said he used in the 2nd Oscar fight. He was not injured at all. And then to use to get a better recovery rate, that is cheating. And especially in sports where you need stamina and these drugs help with recovery that is cheating. I haven’t ever heard someone get upset with someone in the office saying I should have his job because I don’t need coffee to stay awake through out the day like he does.Posted September 2, 2013 1:32 pm
We just wish those athletes are all natural. that they are the ones that would survive in the wild. That if you put them on a deserted island, after a year of training, NO DRUGS, just Food and Water (like Tyson said), who is really the Natural Alpha Male….
That would be great.
The one thing you can do is to deter cheaters. If you are an athlete, a Natural Athlete, the natural Alpha-Male, the Elite, you do wish that everything is on an even playing field. That what you are born with, what you do with that natural ability and train with it to peak levels, Mentally, Physically, and Technically, is all you need to get in the arena and compete to see what happens.
If you are in a fist-fight, nobody should have a knife on them.Posted September 2, 2013 1:11 pm
Do you know how many people are on ADHD medicines?
Do you know how many are on anxiety pills, sleeping pills, stimulants, hormone shots, etc. to “stay in the game and compete”?
How is that that much different from athletics?
Without those pills, where would you be in the pack?Posted September 2, 2013 1:08 pm
NO, it’s all the same.
Athletes are doing it to stay active, to heal from injury and even to keep up with other athletes that are using (just like Barry Bonds found out and why he decided to do it…to even the playing field because he was better than the rest and they were cheating so he did it and went back ahead).
Take all Drugs out of society and where are we?
You take drugs to stay in the game just like Athletes are doing.Posted September 2, 2013 1:02 pm
Difference though is that people in everyday life are not doing it to get ahead. They are doing it to stay awake, get rid of a headache, help with something that hurts. Athletes are doing it to get an edge. That is the big difference.Posted September 2, 2013 12:51 pm
I like what Bryant gumbell said recently while talkign about Alex Rodriguez:
Basically, we should all look at ourselves in the mirror because most of us are on something.
Maybe it’s caffeine to get us through the day. A drink of alcohol to calm us down later in the afternoon or night. Mabye its some weed. Maybe its’ pain pills. Sleeping pills. Pills to help with our heart, cholesterol, Attention Deficit Disorder, Erection pills, etc…..Most, are on something and yet we get on the athletes as being bad examples.
That said, the difference would be that athletes should be on a level playing field. If I were a clean athlete I would want others to be clean as well. But I use medicine to live in every day life so I would have to make that known or not compete. I think that is only fair.Posted September 2, 2013 12:23 pm
I think there was failed tests for Lance actually but the protocol was faulty. However, Lance also went through an insane testing regimen that is able to deter and catch cheaters unlike the current boxing testing which is completely laughable.
The biological passport testing system is key I hear. I think Lance and others said if that was in place he wouldn’t have been able to cheat.Posted September 2, 2013 12:18 pm
@the real american oak – Barry Bonds never tested positive for PEDs. Lance Armstrong never failed. Get off your high horse BS. PEDcquiao is using PEDs. He’s been avoiding tests forever and giving the worst excuses only kindergarteners could think of. Now he’s supposedly testing in Asia. How convenient.Posted September 2, 2013 12:14 pm
THE REAL AMERICAN OAK
What makes me sick are all the clowns continuing to fan the fire of PEDs. Does one of you brainless moron, little girl gossips have one shred of scientific evidence proving this? Mayweather lost his law suit of defamation and in the process opened up speculation that HE did PEDs. So you little poosies enjoy the fight, grow up and move out of your mamas basement.Posted September 2, 2013 12:02 pm
MNboxingFAN – Sean
Manny doesn’t need to do anything different. If you start fearing someones power and let it get into your head you’ve already lost. Manny was winning when he got KO’d by Marquez. He got caught trying to finish him off. He was doing everything right. He shouldn’t change a thing. Rios is tough and could knock him out, but I think Manny has all the tools to beat him. At the end of the day speed kills. Manny should win, but if he doesn’t Roach is gonna tell him to retire and that’ll be all she wrote.Posted September 2, 2013 11:59 am
THE REAL AMERICAN OAK
RIOS HAS NO PUNCHPosted September 2, 2013 11:58 am
Iron Mike, I said the same thing but someone brought up the fact that he was not put to sleep. He was actually moving around. I watched the KO again he was indeed moving around and groggy. Pac was put to sleep, out for a few minutes. So is there another fighter?Posted September 2, 2013 11:23 am
Brandon is no JMM….Manny will use speed and flash to beat the kid.Posted September 2, 2013 11:21 am
MANNYPosted September 2, 2013 11:10 am
Peej- you ever hear of a fighter named Roberto Duran, he came back after being put to sleep by Tommy Hearns, Will Manny bounce back only time will tell, I think it is time for you to put the hate away, enjoy the fighter while you have him cause when he is done and out of the game maybe only then will you realize what a good thing it was for boxing to have him around-peacePosted September 2, 2013 11:03 am
What you fail to realize in Pacs previous KOs he was not put to sleep. He was just KOd. Against Marquez he was put to sleep. Name me one boxer that has ever come back from that. Also Pac was looking for a way out against Agapito Sanchez. That is why Pac ducked Guzman, because Guzman handled Sanchez with ease and Pac wanted to quit. Pac also clearly lost the 3rd Marquez fight. Something you clearly fail to mention when saying he clearly beat Marquez and Sanchez in the first fights and also clearly beat Bradley and the WBO said that. If the WBO said that then they would of issued an immediate rematch or overturned that bout in there records.Posted September 2, 2013 10:16 am
@bluefox A glass chin is a glass chin. I’m sure the PEDs helped him from being KOd many more times. It wasn’t until someone level with the playing field (Marquez) that Pac got KOd.Posted September 2, 2013 10:14 am
That guy is making a mountain out of a molehill. His boxer, Torrecampo, knocked out Pacquiao in 1996! The Pac was really green at that time. It was another 3 years before Manny got KOed in Thailand. Before that loss, he recorded 15 straight wins going from the time he was knocked out by Torrecampo. He then won 13 of his 15 fights after that loss to Medgoen Singsurat (two were draws to Agapito Sanchez and Juan Manuel Marquez which were clearly won by him). And with his lost to Erik Morales in 2005 via 12 round UD in their first meeting, Pacquiao then compiled another 15 consecutive victories (2 against Morales, 2 vs Marquez, one each for de la Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito and another win against Barerra on their rematch). Although he lost to Bradley via Split decision, in which the WBO later admitted Pacman was the winner due to the inutile judges, and the Pac received another trip to Tralala-Land courtesy of that Marquez “lucky” punch on their 4th meeting, Pacquiao has this uncanny ability of rising against the odds. He has the resiliency and motivation of a true fighter. The GOAT (Greatest of All Time) Muhammad Ali got his share of losing against elite boxers like Joe Frasier and Ken Norton. Manny has proven this so many times in his career. He’s only 34 years old and Marquez was 39 when he unleashed that “lucky” punch. A true champion can only savor the sweet taste of victory if he had tasted the bitterness of defeat.Posted September 2, 2013 9:03 am
I’m the last one to defend Manny but he beat Bradley and got careless with Marquez, so what ? Most fighters lose a few. The greatest of all time have losses. The greatest today have losses. What would you call Ali if he had no losses ? Still only the greatest right ? Don’t get greater than “the greatest” So what if Floyd loses ? Does that erase all of his other victories ? Say he then comes back and wins all of his remaining fights…….but the one loss puts him at a lesser status ?
This is why boxing is losing to MMA. Everyone fights everyone & often. No one cares about records…………………Its fights and matchup’s that make it. Why does GGG have to earn a shot at Martinez-why the “f” dont they just ink it and have the fiGHT ? How about Vitali & Haye ? Talks, meetings, negotiations, backing down, coming back to the table, blah blah, blah……..sign and fight .Posted September 2, 2013 8:40 am
Brandon can punch. Are you serious? They are brave as hell. Listen, if Pacquiao fights this fight after getting knocked out like that – I have to take my hat off to him because that’s a brave move. It’s a not a good business move, but that’s a brave move.Posted September 2, 2013 8:01 am
Pacquiao is not finished, he’s never really been finished. He’s a mega-star of boxing, and one defeat like that is not gonna finish him,Pacquiao can get knocked out two more times and not be finished,He’s not that kind of fighter. He’s the kind of fighter people will always want to see, because he gives people hope. He gives nations hope.
Brend0n R is nt Marquez.Posted September 2, 2013 7:46 am
in saying that the only guy thats likely to get hit with punches he doesnt see coming is RiosPosted September 2, 2013 7:29 am
Manny jumped right into that straigh right, no guard, no offense, it would have been a surprise if he wasnt KO’d. Paul Williams atleast was throwing a punch of his own against Martinez when he got KO’d, heck even Dawson was atleast throwing a jab when he got clocked, Manny basically walked into the middle of the road without looking.Posted September 2, 2013 2:39 am
Pacquioas a good fight I like to watch him do his thing in the ring. His fans are amonst the worse I’ve ever witnessed. Pacquioa runs head first into Marquez’s perfect right hand and Marquez is on steroids. Marquez could be 90 years old and if he threw that perfect right hand and Pacquioa ran into it the way he did, guess he would be knocked out again. Manny’s mistake was anticipating a hook when a straight was delivered. Just incase you don’t know you should step inside on hooks and let the sail behind you while you deliver a short hook or short straight of your own.Posted September 2, 2013 1:45 am
Meh you say that about Pac, I don’t think so. Juan Mariod PEDquez fighting Bradley with Angel Heredia in his corner the master of PED’sPosted September 2, 2013 1:13 am
“Didn’t do him any favors”, he says. Rios is tailor made for PEDcquiao. That’s why they picked him. I’ll bet any money all the Pactards will be calling him P4P after he KOs Rios.Posted September 2, 2013 12:01 am