History proves long nights don’t end well for Matthyse? C’mon, he beat Alexander. Arguably Judah too.Posted September 4, 2013 8:57 am
A couple of responses for Vivek:
Vivek, you said: “Garcia will be in a very cautious mode, avoiding the brute power of somewhat reckless Matthysse. ”
I think this will turn out to be a very accurate forecast. Danny knows Lucas is deadly in the early rounds. Danny would be a fool if he attempted to engage Matthysse’s “brute power.” And Lucas does tend to be reckless. He lunges, he leans way out over his lead foot, he chases on occasion.
Vivek, you said: “For starters, in the situation with Marquez, from all accounts I’ve gathered, both on and off the record, it was stipulated that Mayweather had that option to execute from the beginning.”
Well Vivek, I’m not an insider like you are, but from all accounts that I’ve gathered, it’s my understanding that it was a hastily drawn and submitted contract that allowed Mayweather to come in overweight. My opinion is that he just decided that fighting at a catchweight would put him at a disadvantage so he decided not to do it. Instead, he offered financial compensation so he could “legally” cheat on his weight. I mean really, what’s Marquez’s team going to do for such a big fight? Cancel it? Same question to Mayweather’s team. So GBP finesses a quickie contract–that works to Floyd’s advantage.
Vivek, you said: “And besides that, it was his team [Canelo's] who initially requested that weight as leverage to get the fight.”
I just wrote an article regarding the catchweight stipulation for the Mayweather/Alvarez fight. I did a lot of research in the process of writing that article. What I remember and what I found, is that Floyd Sr. was the first to demand a fight at a weight lower than what Canelo typically fights at. Sr. wanted the fight to be at 147. He said “147 nor no fight.” Even after the contract was written, Sr. was still unhappy, saying the fight should be at least at 150. Bear in mind, Sr. does have a say so regarding what weight jr. will fight at. After all, he is Jr.’s trainer.
Now the stage is set for Canelo’s team to make a catchweight counter offer. Back in June of this year, Canelo openly stated that he originally wanted the fight at 154 but that he felt pressured to concede to a lower weight. So Canelo’s team offered to fight at 154. In my eyes, there was nothing “initial” about that offer. Bait thrown, bait taken–that’s all it was.
But then, Jr. comes back and says he wants the fight at 150. So to even suggest or make it appear that Canelo or his team would willingly, and without any provocation at all, offer to fight at 152, is lame.
That being said, Ellerbe wasn’t too far off the mark when he called Canelo’s team idiots for “suggesting” to fight at a catchweight. I call them fools and I still don’t see how they felt they needed to make any concessions at all to Floyd Mayweather Jr. Alvarez is a hugely popular Mexican star. Floyd has a major six-fight, time-limited Showtime contract. It is inevitable that these two would fight within the time period of Floyd’s contract. I mean, who’s a bigger draw or more desireable fight than Canelo/Mayweather? No one. Not now. Not even Pacquiao/Mayweather.
But, haste makes waste and we’re going to see that come fight night. Floyd got the extra little advantage he needed to ensure his win over Canelo. And that’s what’s going to happen. Floyd will win.Posted September 3, 2013 11:39 am
Ellerbe is Mayweather PIMP. He is just making sure his hoes are straight.Posted September 3, 2013 11:23 am
I HOPE NO ONE THINKS THESE TWO ARE TAKING BOXING FANS FOR IDIOTS.Posted September 3, 2013 10:15 am
It also appears that Floyd doesn’t lose any where else because he has fought out side of Vegas before.Posted September 3, 2013 9:34 am
What a biased author!
First of all I have seen Matthysse fight non-stop for 10 rounds without getting tired at all, not even breathing hard right after the fight and during the interview. Watch Matthysse Vs. Ajose for instance. Almost everyone agrees that Matthysse beat Judah but he was in Judah’s home town with Judah’s referee and judges. Even Bernstein! Matthysse also beat Alexander, so did Kotelnik, but they both fought Alexander in Alexander’s home town! So very many said that Petterson would easily outbox Matthysse. Garcia was sure of a Petterson victory not to mention so many others, such as Hopkins. Matthysse has a better defense than Garcia, better stamina, more power, and a better chin. Matthysse is as good in the late rounds as he is in the early rounds. The reason Matthysse started knocking his opponents out was because he found out he could never win a decision in America. So, after 8 rounds, Matthysse will fall down from exhaustion? I have been watching all of Matthysse’s and Garcia’s fights on my DVR. Matthysse’s punches are quicker, harder and more accurate than Garcia’s, when I look at how many punches Garcia took from a washed up, out of shape Morales, I wonder what will happen if Matthysse lands a punch on Garcia. Judah hurt Garcia and won the late rounds from an exhausted Garcia. Garcia was very surprised that Matthysse beat Petterson. Whatever, I am not psychic like so many experts. I do not count Alverez out in the fight with Mayweather, but I think Mayweather will win a dec., it appears he can’t lose in Vegas, so who knows. I feel that Alverez is too young, perhaps needed a couple more fights, but he is strong, punches hard, so I do give him a chance. Anyone know who the author picked before Matthysse fought Petterson?Posted September 3, 2013 3:31 am
To be fair Garcia is hardly ever looking at the target when he throws his left hook counter.
When he landed on Khan he was busy looking a pretty butterfly.Posted September 3, 2013 3:20 am
Ocelot when was the last time you watched a professional boxer punch whilst lunging with his eyes closed, misses and falls face first on the canvas? Lucas Matthysse did that in his last fight against Peterson. Now if you too blind to see that Lucas boxing wise is miles behind Danny then we shouldn’t even entertain the thought of debating this issue.Posted September 3, 2013 2:56 am
The special thing about a Mayweather Fight is that you get to watch the BEST that ever DID it. On the night of September 14th Canelo will say that I am CORRECT on that.Posted September 3, 2013 2:50 am
Wasn`t Eve tempted by the snake (hmmmm phallic symbolism), and then she got Adam into the whole thing.
That’s if you believe that Harry Potter stuff.Posted September 3, 2013 2:42 am
Adam, you must be the original Adam, you know, the as$hole that was tempted by a focking snake because you are really disconnected from reality. Get a clue, buddy.Posted September 3, 2013 2:38 am
@Mike DIno – Floyd gets a free pass on missing weight because of how much all that extra melanin pigmentation in his skin weighs.
If Floyd was a ranga like Canelo he`d weight 4lbs less.Posted September 3, 2013 12:19 am
Let me get this straight. When Floyd doesn’t make weight, that’s no problem at all. But if Saul doesn’t make weight, he’s not a professional?Posted September 2, 2013 11:31 pm
All Floyd’s FIGHT are FIXED like WWE…they already knows what will be the outcome…. Its all about the money talking here,the rest is just hype…Posted September 2, 2013 11:29 pm
I THANK Ellerbe for setting the record straight that Canelo’s inept management team offered the 152 catchweight for those who don’t follow Boxing TOO closely. I stated that FACT already but I appreciate Ellerbe ECHOING me on that.Posted September 2, 2013 11:13 pm
“In his prime Roy Jones was more skillful, faster, and talented than Mayweather” but not as smart or intelligent. Btw, Jones may have possessed speed and talent but his skills were unorthodox at best.Posted September 2, 2013 10:53 pm
Personally I think people are overblowing the ranga’s skill level a bit
116-112 Floyd UD potshotting rounds.Posted September 2, 2013 10:44 pm
I think if they where both in there primes and same weight, Roy would winPosted September 2, 2013 10:32 pm
In his prime Roy Jones was more skillful, faster, and talented than Mayweather.Posted September 2, 2013 10:29 pm
Mayweather’s greatness consists of winning not engaging in blood-and-guts collisions that can accommodate his opponent but won’t increase the amount or frequency of his paydays and that’s what “Money” is about.Posted September 2, 2013 9:08 pm
Canelo does have a serious problem on his hands and it’s not just Mayweather’s presumed talent. another fighter with the exact same talent and reflexes as Floyd does not remain undefeated. Floyd’s thinking and ring-smarts are what activate his talent and reflexes to execute the winning fight-plan and the real-time leads, counters, and adjustments whether or not they were included in the original fight-plan. Floyd will most likely be the most intelligent fighter that Canelo will ever face in his entire career. it’s why Ellerbee can confidently state that Canelo is a really good fighter and in the same breath express that “he’s in over his head”. doesn’t mean that Canelo can’t win. it’s Boxing. the theater of the unexpected. but what he’ll be able to shock or bedevil Mayweather with isn’t readily apparent. it’ll be competitive because Mayweather has always had problems manhandling the jr. middles he’s fought but he doesn’t have too nor do I think he plans too v. Canelo. the risk was confirming the matchup for the payday. Floyd won’t be obliging Canelo with any additional displays of courage or bravado in the ring. in fact, this may very well be the most boring “W” of Mayweather’s career.Posted September 2, 2013 9:05 pm
Difference is Floyd uses his arms and gloves for defense. Yes he uses his speed also but he also uses his arms and stuff. Floyd mostly relied on his speed of getting in and out. Big difference between Roy and FloydPosted September 2, 2013 7:50 pm
Roy Jones used to be criticized just like Mayweather for not picking opponents who will give him a challenge and when he did. His own fear of loosing catch up to him. After, the lost he was never the sane. I see Mayweather becoming the NEXT “ROY JONES Jr”Posted September 2, 2013 7:21 pm
Mayweather is getting old and he reminds me more of a Roy Jones than a Bernard Hopkins. The minute his reflexes fail him. He is destined to be Over and fall into the same situation as Roy Jones.Posted September 2, 2013 7:17 pm
After reading the articles for this fight, I wonder what this writers will be written after a Mayweather defeat? I bet they will write “AGE” was the main reason Mayweather lost. He got old in one night, and will back Patel away from all this stupid arguments they continue to mention about this fight.Posted September 2, 2013 7:14 pm
I’m on a roll here as a lot of info doesn’t make sense. So PBF / Marquez agree a certain weight (but behind the scenes they agree PBF can come in heavier?). So, in effect, PBF agrees to look like a total heel for stunting on a smaller man in public …but behinds the scenes everyone was fine with it??
PMSL! Sounds like a story just trying to be far too clever. Sorry that just insults my intelligence.
There was a penalty clause in place ‘beforehand’ for coming in overweight. And PBF took the option to come in heavier. Now, with Marquez being a warrior (and wanting the payday, no doubt) he agreed to those original terms, regardless.
No more complex than that!Posted September 2, 2013 6:24 pm
And one thing on Floyd v Cotto. Floyd veered away from the script in that fight. He noted his mistakes, brought back in his father and stated he would be making the correct adjustments against Guerrero – off the back of an excellent camp. He did exactly that and ‘within himself’ looked physically as good as i’ve seen him in years (and all after incarceration!)
And now? He’s ready to go back in that ring (with all ‘credible’ reports stating he looks stellar in training) in even sharper condition than his last fight! So, let’s say Canelo is able to do a better job than Cotto, early. Then it appears that prospect will be balanced out by; 1) An even better PBF who will appear in that ring and 2) Displaying none of complacency that got him caught against Cotto.
That doesn’t bode, at all, well for Alvarez….
It’s all relative…Posted September 2, 2013 6:14 pm
Contrary to Vivek, to feel confident of a Canelo victory, i’d have needed to see him dominating / KOing ‘live’ opposition for the last two or three years – which hasn’t been the case. We all know Saul’s stamina isn’t the greatest which plays nicely into PBF’s superfit hands – esp. late. What we have, essentially, is a super -popular, talented, 23 year old going in at a few levels he still hasn’t near fully experienced!
The mental side of boxing always interests me (many of us know pain is a great leveller for making a fighter revert to his core pugilistic ‘blueprint’ ). And, frankly, i see an area of disadvantage for Canelo, here. Put simply, Mayweather (for all his talent) has proven he doesn’t care ‘how’ he wins…as long he does and if he has to do that ‘negatively’, he will.
But Canelo will surely be ‘prepared’ to lose / ‘die’ in this fight…but ONLY in ‘the Mexican way’ /going out on his shield ( that he’s been taught since childhood) will save his pride! *
IMO, this is yet another aspect that plays beautifully into the plan of a ruthless tactician like Floyd. i.e. If Canelo, stays back. Floyd controls the pace and it’s game over. But if Alvarez is getting touched up, Mexican pride will no doubt force him to start going for it…and, IMO, that’s where he gets picked off and hurt (also risking greater fatigue in the process).
Barring a highly – unlikely, early freak KO, ‘the Mexican way’ ( esp. if Canelo finds himself in a bad position, strategically) is THE aspect convincing me Canelo comfortably positions himself as THE ONE to take his first loss.Posted September 2, 2013 6:05 pm
Floyd will be ready.., So Canelo won’t be ready? This is the biggest fight in at least 6 years… They will both be more than ready.Posted September 2, 2013 6:02 pm
The weight stipulation sitch doesn’t make sense. This fight will not be cancelled but Canelo still HAS to make 152? So, if he DOESN’T the fight isn’t cancelled then, is it…and that’s the whole point – which appears not quite understood here.
The most obvious suggestion is a overweight fine clause will be in place, Canelo will want to come in light and Floyd is ready for whatever weight Canelo comes in at.Posted September 2, 2013 5:55 pm
PEEJ.., You’re dead wrong… We’re not talking about the score. We’re talking about punching power and Matthysse hurt Zab much worse… Zab was grabbing running and needed the assistance of a helpful referee who kept breaking clinches where Lucas had an arm free to punch… Much like Khan-Maidana in the late rounds.Posted September 2, 2013 5:11 pm
Zab didn’t barely finish. Zab got knocked down and that was about it. He kept fighting. Garcia knocked him down and had him on wobbly legs a few times. Yeah Zab finished strong but Garcia did a much better job in that fight. Everybody says Matthyssa should of got the nod over Zab, problem is Zab kept it close enough to get that decision. I thought Matthyssa won. But in the Garcia fight Zab couldn’t keep it close to get the nod.Posted September 2, 2013 3:16 pm
Fight Aficionado got the beatPosted September 2, 2013 3:04 pm
I’ve watched the initial two installments of “All Access” probably 6 or 7 times now. — Really? Sounds like some boring nights in the FL.Posted September 2, 2013 2:45 pm
All accounts you’ve gathered from where, Vivic???
Of course the weight stipulation was in the contract from the beginning but Marquez and Berristein said that they were not at aware of it and simply trusted Oscar to be fair.Posted September 2, 2013 2:41 pm
vivek wallace t0mmy morrison has diedPosted September 2, 2013 2:38 pm
PEEJ.., Nope… Matthysse hurt him worse. Zab barely finished.
Zab finished strong against Garcia.Posted September 2, 2013 2:16 pm
Garcia also had Zab hurt way worse than Matthysse so does that mean Garcia punches harder?Posted September 2, 2013 1:28 pm
BOXTRADAMUS MATTYHSSEPosted September 2, 2013 1:13 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Tommy Morrison died.Posted September 2, 2013 12:40 pm
BigMikeTampa , Tommy passed away. He was 44. May God comfort his soul. It is now confirmed. Very sad.Posted September 2, 2013 12:00 pm
The thing that makes the Matthysse Garcia fight interesting, is neither guy has great defense, and they both are big punchers. It’s gonna come down to whos chin holds up, and who’s conditioned better, cause it’s gonna be a war! I’ll put my money on Matty in the chin department.Posted September 2, 2013 11:44 am
Matthyssa has not really showed great boxing skills. He has showed he is a seek and destroy fighter. Not saying he doesn’t have those skills but Garcia did seem to fight a better Judah than what fought Matthyssa and Garcia did much better until the last couple roundsPosted September 2, 2013 11:40 am
I fail to see how Garcia is a superior boxer to Matthysee. Matthysee has become much more well-rounded fighter since the Judah and Alexander fights (which he won). Garcia was getting outclassed by Khan before Khan’s glass chin determined the outcome. Garcia will be lucky to survive four rounds.Posted September 2, 2013 11:34 am
I fail to see how Garcia is a superior boxer to Matthysee. Matthysee has become much more well-rounded fighter since the Judah and Alexander fights (which he won). Garcia was getting outclassed by Khan before Khan’s glass chin determined the outcome. Garcia will be lucky to survive four rounds.Posted September 2, 2013 11:33 am
canelo matthyssePosted September 2, 2013 11:23 am
We have witnessed more veteran fighters freez up with Floyd. I expect the same from Canelo.Posted September 2, 2013 11:13 am
Kid Blast- What rumors about The Duke?Posted September 2, 2013 11:06 am
Felix the great
Mehn…I really don’t see a competitive fight Vivek…sorry. I know everyone talks about canelo’s strenth and Power, but it boils down to Inches and timing…Canelo isn’t as big as we all like to think, he’s barely taller than floyd, if that…his reach is also shorter, albeit a neglibible difference. he’s fast but not the fastest fighter floyd has faced…skillwise, he has nothing to offer floyd in the middle of the ring…he may do some damage if he is able to pin floyd to the ropes, which is highly unlikey…every giving canelo a shot at winning seem to be referencing the Cotto and Oscar dela hoya fights..first off…Oscar stood at 5’11 and a significant reach advantage and a great jab…none of these attributes are at Canelo’s disposal…Cotto has alway had an uncanny timing and a superior boxing skills, along with his great jab…Again, i have come to gain more appreciation over the years for canelo’s boxing ability and his ring inteligience but i will not say he is as good or better than Cotto in any of these categories…Posted September 2, 2013 10:52 am
D day is coming look should have fought PAC or MarquezPosted September 2, 2013 10:42 am
Funny but I have not heard anybody say Floyd will win because of his race. I have only heard the racism remarks about Floyd losing. Not because he will be beat but because of his race. So not sure where you are hearing all that from.Posted September 2, 2013 10:13 am
Nothing confirmed yetPosted September 2, 2013 9:53 am
OH oh, hope the rumors about The Duke are not true!!Posted September 2, 2013 9:36 am
Olu G. Rotimi
I take the author’s comments about how Floyd reacts to certain things as like Floyd says I keep fighting. The question I have for Canelo is what does he do when he is truly hurt and hit consistently as he will be in this fight, what happens as he gets abused taking shots to the head and body as he has never experienced, what happens when he is fatigued. I think Floyd is going to stop Canelo.Posted September 2, 2013 8:58 am
YEARS AGO FANS USED TO TALK ABOUT THE FIGHT, NOW ITS ABOUT THE WEIGHT OR PEDS .Posted September 2, 2013 8:31 am
Happyboy, I’m glad you’re reading my posts and appreciate them. Thanks!Posted September 2, 2013 8:20 am
Haimat – busted. Egghead.Posted September 2, 2013 7:42 am
Mbuyiseli, actually I could not force myself to read the first question and Vivek’s “answer”. I simply did not have the energy for that much stupidity this early in the morning.Posted September 2, 2013 5:37 am
Haimat you keep reading his piece thou, who is the clown here?Posted September 2, 2013 5:25 am
Vivek is asking himself questions again, posing as random people.
His thoughts on the fact that Floyd did not make weight for the Marquez fight was never really an issue. In fact Floyd never needed to make weight and should in no way be blamed for not making weight. This reasoning is showing what a completely biased scribe Vivek is. Not making weight in boxing is a cardinal sin. Normally, without the cameras, the fight would be cancelled. Since Vivek is the biggest nuthugger of any boxer of all time, Floyd can do what he wants.
Vivek’s reasoning on the Garcia-Matthysse fight, comparing the two fighter’s fights against Judah is a laugh. Garcia was exhausted and barely survived the last 4 rounds. Still Vivek’s conclusion is: “8 rounds is enough, if the fight goes longer it’s Garcia’s fight” What a joke of a boxing scribe!Posted September 2, 2013 4:51 am
I think Mayweather is getting back at Canelo for pulling out of the undercard of the Guerrero fight. If he don’t make weight he cant rehydrate until after 12 mid night because he is expected to make the weight. Even if he doesn’t make the weight they will be weighing him at 12 midnight to see if he has made weight.Posted September 2, 2013 4:41 am
tHIS IS GOING TO BE A great match up …….Posted September 2, 2013 3:36 am
Very interesting points regarding the weight issue with Canelo Mayweather!Posted September 2, 2013 3:34 am