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chip davis

pound the clown, down the clown

Posted September 11, 2013 1:50 am 


TARK

You better believe it.

Posted September 10, 2013 6:58 pm 


lewis

Crazy stuff from somebody who doesn’t understand the game.

TJ AND IVAN ARE WRONG……AND YOU ARE RIGHT…..RIGHT?????

Posted September 10, 2013 11:16 am 


lewis

IVAN, TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU TOO!!!!

Posted September 10, 2013 11:13 am 


TARK

Also Sergio Martinez got a very late start in Boxing.

He managed to beat world-class fighters like Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams who got a 10 or 12 year headstart on him. He didn’t reach world class status until he was past 30, but he made a steady progression because he dedicated himself to the sport.

He is an all around great boxer with better skills than many guys who started in the sport 10 to 13 years ahead of him. There are no rules about how far you can go in Boxing if you get a late start.

Posted September 10, 2013 10:38 am 


TARK

That’s foolish nonsense Ivanov..,

Floyd is a professional fighter and he knows he can lose a fight. He also knows he can come back and beat an opponent who gets the better of him on any given night. It’s happened a thousand times before in Boxing. The rematch with Canelo would be massive. Beyond the first fight because so many don’t think Canelo has a chance. A rematch would be the most logical fight in the world if Canelo won.

Floyd has to fight 5 more times to fulfill his contract… Win or lose. Floyd’s millions of fans will want him to redeem himself if he loses. Losing one of 25 title fights doesn’t suddenly mean you’re done. Crazy stuff from somebody who doesn’t understand the game.

Posted September 10, 2013 10:31 am 


RAYGORDONREID

IVAN MATTYHSSE CANELO

Posted September 10, 2013 10:00 am 


Anonymous

BRING BACK THE MOB,AT LEAST YOU SAW GREAT FIGHTS.

Posted September 10, 2013 8:38 am 


TJ

Ivan

Tark, if Floyd gets KOed he won’t fight Alvarez again. He may be “semi-literate” as suggested below, but he is not stupid.
How naive can you get expecting a flushed KOed Floyd to come back for more? He’ll go somewhere else to get his “severance package” in an easy fight or two. Alvarez will have to fight GGG if he wants to man up and get KOed himself. So he is not really interest in cooking the gulden goose.

Posted September 10, 2013 2:48 am

IVAN, TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU….. If FLOYD is KO’D or takes a real pummelling, his family Roger and co. will convince him to retire…

Floyd will not risk putting himself through Hell to possibly lose again…..

Two straight losses would leave his whole legacy in tatters.

He would not wish to take a pay cut to box against another hard touch in either GARCIA or MATTHYSSE…..

The only logical next step would be to take his show on the road and face AMIR KHAN in the UK, where he would be guaranteed a great payday and massive crowd…..

Half wishing to see him smack AMIR into retirement, the other half wishing to see him perform before he hangs them up…..

At age 36/37 the body reacts differently to concussive blows and seems to hold a negative memory to a traumatic event like a bad pummelling or KO event and where once it was able to absorb harder blows, it seems sometimes innocuous blows can get a once solid guy into a whole world of hurt.

Some of the guys who were considered to have the best chins in the sport and to be the most durable suddenly racked up stoppage losses after their first KO defeat…..

I see Floyd’s motivation as to not only stay unbeaten, but look dominant as he does so….

If he seriously struggles, but prevails vs Canelo, I for one would not be surprised if he walks away from the sport.

He may be many things, but he is not a fool and if he is getting caught by punches he shouldn’t he will realise that a MATTHYSSE or GARCIA have he ammunition to stretch him and he would not wish to go out like that.

Posted September 10, 2013 8:01 am 


Joseph Herron

Guys,

there are way too many conspiracy theories floating around boxing, where even the die hard boxing fans are crying foul.

It’s absurd.

The promoters today practice the same exact business models that the mafia used back in the 40’s and 50’s…the only difference is the mafia used muscle instead of contracts and money.

The mafia rarely fixed fights and paid judges…they used the same mentality in boxing that they used in the casinos.

If the games were fixed completely, everyone would stop playing and no one would watch the sport. Even the mafia knew that.

They merely tried to monopolize the talent. Same thing todays promoters try to do.

No difference.

Posted September 10, 2013 3:42 am 


Ivan

Tark, if Floyd gets KOed he won’t fight Alvarez again. He may be “semi-literate” as suggested below, but he is not stupid.
How naive can you get expecting a flushed KOed Floyd to come back for more? He’ll go somewhere else to get his “severance package” in an easy fight or two. Alvarez will have to fight GGG if he wants to man up and get KOed himself. So he is not really interest in cooking the gulden goose.

Posted September 10, 2013 2:48 am 


TARK

Herron.., “A performance is subject to interpretation.”

Right.., And if you BADLY want one fighter to win, which seemed to be the case when Ken Morita scored the Tyson-Douglas fight and the 2nd Mayweather-Castillo fight … and when CJ Ross and Duane Ford scored the Pacquiao-Bradley fight … then your interpretations can get rather broad.

You can always say, “I liked his poise in that round, even though he got outpunched and hurt he handled it like a champion. That’s ring generalship.”

Let’s face it. There’s way too much interpretation in some fights.

Posted September 9, 2013 7:38 pm 


TARK

This pundit claims.., “Canelo will see his next historic pay day vanish if he hurts Floyd badly and dismantles him.”

How foolish can you get so say something like that???

Canelo Alvarez would immediately be the toast of the world if he scores a dramatic KO victory over Mayweather… He would immediately don the mantle of “World’s Greatest Fighter” putting Saul in a monster negotiating position for ANY fight.

The rematch would still be HUGE. Patterson almost killed Johansson in their 2nd fight, but their next fight did better than the other Patterson-Johansson fights … and if Canelo beat Floyd as bad as Johansson beat Patterson—many Mayweather fans would consider the win a similar stroke of luck—creating major worldwide interest in a rematch.

Posted September 9, 2013 7:21 pm 


Haimat

Great piece! We’re lucky we have Matthysse slugging it out with Garcia on the same card.

Posted September 9, 2013 6:49 pm 


RAYGORDONREID

BAD BOXING JUDGES NOW AND THEN

Posted September 9, 2013 3:43 pm 


Anonymous

the kilto’s brothers are shunned because the hw division stinks
the cruseweights are shunnded because they stink

Posted September 9, 2013 3:43 pm 


Hecdog

KILLA, good posts!!!

Posted September 9, 2013 3:21 pm 


RAYGORDONREID

PACMAN ARGREE

Posted September 9, 2013 2:50 pm 


GhettoWizzard

Canelo, like Chavez Jr. were guided to “world titles” and kept undefeated as long as possible. Why? Money? The bankrupted WBC found a way to claw back and empty your pockets. Greatest comeback story in boxing, albeit a crooked one. The networks will put these shows on PPV happily, cause they know they can hype them and they will sell. But, behind the shinennegans, this fight is a farce and a mismatch of little meaning.

Posted September 9, 2013 2:00 pm 


KILLA

I don’t want to elaborate on the Mafia, because I don’t want to find myself sleeping with the fishes tonight. But I truly believe that I rather be a fan of a Mafia run sport than a government run one. But this writers and boxing commentators from ESPN, HBO, and SHOWTIME think thaan we are not aware of the scrutiny behind the sport and want to fool us with this type of articles throwing in Political Factors now..FMJ has been for the past years enjoying all the Political Factors.

Posted September 9, 2013 1:32 pm 


Ivanoff

Killa, kudos for speaking the truth about the mafia. This may be entirely off-topic, but what do you think about Marciano’s unbeaten record and how much does it have to do with the last item in your comment?

Posted September 9, 2013 1:01 pm 


KILLA

Political Facto: FMJ only fighting at the MGM
Political Factor: FMJ going to distance knowing he will win a decision
Political Factor: FMJ fighting only at Vegas
Political Factor: FMJ getting decisions over De La Hiya and Castillo
Political Factor: FMJ fighting Al Haymond chosen fighters
Political Factor: The Mafia running boxing since day one.

Posted September 9, 2013 12:54 pm 


Ivan

TJ, good poke about the gravy train, there’s plenty of seats in it.

Mr. Herron, fair point about the human element. It’s the same human factor that manages to sneak politics (financial interests) into sports. No big money fight is free of politics, in fact it’s a result of political machinations. I hope Mayweather and Alvarez do not receive “rules of engagement” and are left to fight with their full ability.

Rigside, I agree with the general idea of your comment but I find the epithets used about the boxers somewhat harsh. Alvarez may be a conventional fighter but he’s a good one, mature beyond his age. Floyd deserves his spot in the Hall I think regardless of the outcome of this fight.

Steve W I hope you are right, boxing needs all the credit and super stars it can get..

Posted September 9, 2013 12:06 pm 


KILLA

This writer is right 100%, but where has been for the past 17 years and not mentioning Boxing Political wins that FMJ has been receiving. Why are you complaining now? This is part of boxing.

Posted September 9, 2013 12:04 pm 


Ringside

Everything is politics today. Shunning the Klitschkos from US TV is politics. Keeping good boxers from small countries out of the spotlight is politics – no pay-per-view interest. Pushing a green ordinary brawler like Canelo in a big money fight is politics. Pushing a boring semi-literate coward like Floyd for a Hall-of-famer is politics. Screwing Mexican fans out of their hard-earned money for a hyped up showdown is politics.
Boxing is politics

Posted September 9, 2013 11:17 am 


Joseph Herron

Guys, it’s not the politics of boxing…it’s merely the human element of the sport. Every sport has a human element that always helps determine the outcome.

In football, it’s the officiating and penalty calling…in baseball, it’s the consistency of the strikezone…in basketball, it’s the whistle blowing and foul calling.

Boxing gets the most scrutiny, because it most directly determines the outcome.

But guys, bad judging in boxing is a relative term. Scoring a fight is determined by the personal tastes and preferences of the ringside scorer. It’s a beauty contest when all is said and done. If you a fighter isn’t happy with the way the judges see the contest, then a fighter can always go for the knock-out. otherwise, he has no room to complain…because a performance is subject to interpretation.

No politics.

Posted September 9, 2013 10:08 am 


steve w

Do not agree one bit about canelo team not wanting to end floyds career by ko…….canelo is a fighter and what greater feeling could he have than to ko prettyboy…..something no one has ever done and to put it bluntly stop a fighter than manipulates the boxing world……canelo if hr wins will have plenty of massive paydays ahead, pacquiao, martinez ggg and so on…….if it means stopping floyd to be the number 1 then thats what he will do…….fighters do what thry ttained to do……canelo to stop mayweather by 11 rounds

Posted September 9, 2013 10:06 am 


thetruth101

This is not too far fitched. Mayweather is his idol De la hoya as big paydays. No one wanted to fight Oscar they wanted the payday that came with it. No one wants to fight Floyd they want the Money that goes with it. Boxing is still corrupt as ever with decisions that make you scratch your head. If the decision goes Canelo’s way instant rematch, cha ching, Mayweather wins the next one, cha ching. Instant rubber match, cha ching. Outside of Canelo there is no big payday for Floyd. Now question is. Does the Money Team care more about money or his leagacy. Leagacy cost money, no more big paydays out there after Canelo, Trilogy = cash. Does the business of boxing take over?

Posted September 9, 2013 9:57 am 


raygordonreid

ESB Y;ALL QUIT TELLING ME TO SLOW DOWN

Posted September 9, 2013 8:27 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Dear ESB, I am not posting too fast; your site is screwed up.

Posted September 9, 2013 8:20 am 


TJ

WE COULD HAVE A REAL TALKING POINT come September 14th: The judges….

Just like the ref, they should be their as arbiters and administrators to ensure an honest and fair fight and scoring of the fight.

IT’S NOW TIME TO FOCUS our attention on these judges. IMHO some are basically on the gravy train, judging bouts around the world with no comebacks to their appalling scoring of fights, week in- week out.

Where is the accountability for bad or should I say terrible scoring of bouts?

This coming weekend we have the WHOLE WORLD watching boxing’s showcase event: MAYWEATHER vs ALVAREZ backed up by MATTHYSSE and GARCIA.

IMHO Stanley Christodoulou was an exemplary boxing ref when I was growing up, but as a judge he scored the ALVAREZ vs TROUT bout 118-109 in favour of Canelo in a close bout!

How on earth did he score this contest in this way and most likely he will be given a pat on the back and more lucrative assignments in future!!!!!

People are raving about, arguing about, salivating about this boxing’s great match-up, but if this goes to points we are dealing in the ultimate subjective debate of Mayweather’s defence and counter punching vs CANELO’S aggression and more likely bigger punches.

Who will be tasked with judging this and what are their credentials to be charged with such a massive and important task???

The biggest bout in boxing could be marred by terrible judging……

Let’s hope this is not the case!

MATTHYSSE has been on the wrong end of two disputed points losses to ZAB and DEVON and now tries to KO his opponents and make the judges redundant….

BELTRAN from the Wildcard was robbed by judges after besting RICKY BURNS over 12….

WBO President has said that CRAWFORD is next, but has made no promises on BELTRAN getting first dibs from the winner!!!!!

If Ricky has to take time out to recover, what I see is CRAWFORD taking on BELTRAN and probably he will lose, when he should have been next in the ring as a defending World Champion.

Sad to say, I think that RICKY BURNS’ days at the top are numbered and he should have cashed out vs ADRIEN BRONER….

When they said “Chin up!” They didn’t mean it literally, Ricky!!! (Jokes)!

Posted September 9, 2013 8:18 am 


Jonn E JaGozza

I’m sticking with my original pick ;Floyd Mayweather but it’s not going to be an easy win and i see Floyd hitting the canvas a few times. This fight will change Floyd for sure … PEACE … Boxingdictionary.com

Posted September 9, 2013 8:14 am 


Pacman

I can’t stand Mayweather

Posted September 9, 2013 6:59 am 



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