Yes Hilda like yu were N0T defending 0rtiz’s headbutts but still crying ab0ut the sucker punch.Posted September 19, 2013 3:37 am
maracho — With “denial of service” protection software on a hot streak, I’ve made an educated guess. My educated guess is that ESB has upgraded their protectioin software. The unintended consequences of most of these protection packages are exactly the kind of issues posters are living with at ESB — i.e. “YOU ARE POSTING TOO FAST”.
If you have a better educated guess or a direct explanation from the site administrator, I open to hearing it.Posted September 17, 2013 11:07 am
what i really wanna see is the Garcia/Matthysse scoredercardPosted September 17, 2013 12:08 am
Photographs of the final official scorecard for the Mayweather/Alvarez bout have been posted on the Internet and are there for all of you to view. Ross’ scoring was actually fairly consistent with the other judges except in two rounds–the 1st and the 8th. Keith Kizer, head of NSAC, pointed this out in an interview after the fight. He does not vision taking disciplinary action against Ross but he is going to examine the 8th round scores and if necessary will ask Ross to justify her scoring.
Actually, if you look at the scorecards Ross (“Pink” judge) and the “Blue” judge (Moretti) scored the fight the same with the exception of two rounds. Metcalfe, the “White” judge scored quite differently. Additionally, the judges did not keep a running total of their scores. They turned in their scores round by round and the scores were tallied by another individual on the final official scorecard. So Ross did not know that she had scored the fight as a draw until the official score card was shown to her (not unless she has photographic memory).
Again, I’m not defending Ross, just presenting the facts as I know them.Posted September 16, 2013 10:45 pm
Old yank how do you know so much about ESB security? Can you also tell us how much crony promotionalism goes on here?Posted September 16, 2013 10:14 pm
Richard Scheafer/Golden Boy is as corrupt as they come and nothing is going to be done about it because Boxing is the only sport mandated by the federal governmentPosted September 16, 2013 10:05 pm
How to get rid of incompetent judges like Ross in major boxing matches???
Set a couple million dollars aside to solve the problem (most important).
Take thousands of applications for the position of “Boxing Judge.”
Select candidates. Test their vision… test their spatial vision… test their depth perception… test their color vision… test their ability to concentrate… test their intelligence and objectivity… test their math aptitude… test their short term memory… Test their ability to keep 2 sets of statistics in their head for 3 minutes.
Take the top 1% and train them to score boxing matches accurately.
Teach them what constitutes a clean, effective, and fair punch.
Teach them what constitutes an illegal or non-scoring punch. What is holding and hitting, hitting low, hitting after the bell, hitting on the break, hitting with the palm, edge, back, or heel of the glove, rabbit punches, and kidney punches. Teach them how to determine if punches are rendered ineffective by blocking, deflecting, and parrying with the gloves, arms, and shoulders, and how to determine the force and effectiveness of punches that do land cleanly.
Test their ability to score accurately by having them score fights on the internet that were accurately scored round by round. Compare their scores. Show them where their scoring is wrong and what to look for.
It takes 2 to 3 months to train sub-novice amateur boxers to the point where they can begin sparring. Boxing judges should have at least this much training. Top boxing coaches should be teaching these judging classes.Posted September 16, 2013 8:51 pm
Ah you’ve not lost it Yank lolPosted September 16, 2013 8:33 pm
Sadly, sometimes ignorance is a choice…I see you’ve made your choice.Posted September 16, 2013 8:02 pm
Anonymous you’ll get a good clue to what the answer to that question is if no one answersPosted September 16, 2013 6:59 pm
PLEASE NO JUDGEING CONVERSERY CLOUD STEVEINSONPosted September 16, 2013 2:56 pm
YEAH OLD YANK ESB TELLING ME POSTING TOO FASTPosted September 16, 2013 11:11 am
Boxtra: From every cell in my body I find the social practice of “shunning” abhorrent. From linkages to teen suicides to the silencing of free speech, it is a moral outrage. Shunning is a tool of cliques, bullies and despots and has no rightful place in a civil society. Indeed in order to retain the definition of “civil society” the society must tolerate uncivil speech. Let the import of speech regulate the number of ears that it rings true to. Uncivil speech self-regulates itself in that it appeals to few ears. I’m man enough to suffer bad ideas and uncivil speech from anyone. And fully capable of reacting in any way that suits me. Count me out of any public shunning of Boxtra!Posted September 16, 2013 11:00 am
POSTING TOO FAST: ESB is operating with protection software. “Denial of service” attacks have become commonplace and ESB has taken steps to prevent such attacks on its site. A “denial of service” is accomplished by placing cybots (cyber software robots) on tens of thousands of computers. They are not harmful to the computer that gets infected with this software because it sits on the infected computer like a “sleeper cell”. When a denial of service attack is initiated a code is “pinged” to the sleeper software cybots instructing all of them to attempt to “enter” a web site at the same time. In order for ESB to operate smoothly it needs to both allow traffic to enter the site and to allow traffic to exit the site (enter and exit its server). The denial of service “image” is like a thousand people trying to walk into your front door when you are trying to exit. Your exit is blocked (a denial of service). And when this is happening on a server, it crashes the server — rips the door off the hinges, so to speak.
Certain things like a simple copy-and-paste can be misinterpreted as an attack by some software sentinels (denial of service protection software). A ping from the same IP address within a programmed interval can also be seen as an attempt at a denial of service attack.
Bottom line, ESB is only doing what is necessary to protect its servers.
TRIVIA: The most often used “doorway” for placing a cybot on your computer is via a porn site. The reasoning is that you can’t stop yourself from visiting them and you don’t advertise that you do — in fact many male users deny visiting porn sites. They are the most used doorway for placing cybots on your system. Happy surfing guys!Posted September 16, 2013 10:46 am
whatever one thinks of Ross’ scoring it didn’t result in the wrong fighter winning, which has happened several times with scorecards inexplicably favoring the American fighter (Mosley, Williams, Judah, Peterson, Bradley, etc.) or promotional cash-cow (Pacquiao*). Marquez completely disregarded the possibility that this situation would improve during his career and publicly declared his lack of faith in the “official” scorecards and his determination to take matters into his own fists with a KO win. bottomline, the outrage regarding the dubious integrity of “official” American scorecards is grossly overdue and selective. pundits and “experts” should save their outrage for when it really counts instead of a “no harm, no foul” situation where the “loser” earned his first loss, the “winner” remains undefeated, and both collected multi-million dollar paydays while emerging virtually unmarked from their encounter. scapegoating C.J. Ross for a situation that’s persisted for decades isn’t gonna make up for all of the crappy scorecards that have been shoved down our collective throats by plenty of other judges not named Ross, e.g., whoever scored Marquez v. Pacquiao* III for Manny* is no less clueless and/or “corrupt” than C.J. Ross. fortunately, Marquez was able to redeem that robbery with the #1 KO in Boxing History, but not every actually robbed fighter is so fortunate.Posted September 16, 2013 10:33 am
I am guilty of judging heresy — I saw ONE round for Alvarez and then was looking for excuses to give him more — I found two additional rounds to gift him. In hindsight (and after re-watching the bout) my original score of 117-111 was a joke. It should have been 119-109.Posted September 16, 2013 10:29 am
TED THE BULL KID BLAST GOT THE BEATPosted September 16, 2013 9:27 am
NOTHINGPosted September 16, 2013 8:07 am
Swedish Boxing Fan
There are many fights I can think of with BAD fight decisions. Some of the PRO fights I first think of is fights like George Foreman vs. Shannon Briggs, Bernard Hopkins vs. Jermain Taylor I, Hopkins vs. Joe Calzaghe, Hopkins vs. Jean Pascal I, Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield I, Larry Holmes vs Michael Spinks II, Holmes vs. Brian Nielsen, Nicolay Valuev vs. Evander Holyfield, Oscar De La Hoya vs. Felix Trinidad, Mohammed Ali vs. Ken Norton III, Ali vs. Jimmy Young, Floyd Patterson vs. Jimmy Ellis etc. Like I said, so manny to name.Posted September 16, 2013 6:35 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
3G can easily make 154lbs because he’s a skinny, small MW. And I repeat: 3G steps into the ring on Fight Nights weighing less than most of the top Jr. MWs. What does that tel you??? He can make 154lbs with absolutely no problem.
FMJ is now the lineal and Ring Jr. MW Champion of World, so he better be willing to defend all those 154lbs titles vs. the very best in the world who can make weight at 154lbs. And that includes 3G, Lara and a couple of other top Jr. MWs.
If FMJ vacates all those 154lbs titles — again — instead of defending them like a REAL ATG champion, then his actions speak louder than words. That would be one of most cowardly b*tch moves in the history of pro boxing. And yet another example of why he’s NOT the GOAT or even greatest of his generation. Real talk.Posted September 16, 2013 6:01 am
Paul – then he might as well fight Andre Ward at a catchweight whn he can’t even weigh 154lbs, wtf is GGG?Posted September 16, 2013 2:32 am
Mick the Marmalizer
I’m ashamed to say it, but the UK has had some bad ones in the past apart from last weeks Burns fiasco there was the Cox/Sai travesty for the Commonwealth light-middleweight title & our own Billy Hardy getting ripped off in his own country against Orlando Canazalez.
What can be done???? Get rid of the lousy judges or have them judge 4-roundersPosted September 16, 2013 1:47 am
we will call you lfthoorkan-usPosted September 15, 2013 8:50 pm
And by the way Peej, just because Jim Lampley said “It was legal!” doesn’t mean it was.Posted September 15, 2013 8:46 pm
C J Ross wasn’t judging that fight. The fix was already in. It just didn’t work. They were in VEGAS; NOT TEXAS!!!!!Posted September 15, 2013 8:41 pm
BTW Peej, Cortez wasn’t looking at Mayweather and Ortiz because he didn’t know they were fighting! He had called them to the center of the ring and that’s that. I swear, you show me proof positive that Cortez said “fight” or “box’ and I’ll buy you a steak dinner at your favorite steak house. I mean it.Posted September 15, 2013 8:40 pm
“Can’t call someone a cheat when it is not illegal. So your point is weak. Keep your hands up at all time. You constantly talk about Floyd sucker punching someone when the ref clearly said fight. And now your complaining about a fighter who came up with the 153lb catch weight whom originally called Floyd out at 150lb saying he was drained. People just wanna find reasons to hate when there is just not much to hate on anymore.”
Ok Peej, I challenge you to watch any video you want of the Mayweather/Ortiz fight and find the moment when you clearly hear Ref Cortez tell Mayweather and Ortiz to “fight” in the fourth round after he motioned them back to the center of the ring.
What Cortez did say was “Let’s go!” He NEVER told them to “fight” or “box.” He called them and signaled them back to the center of the ring then immediately turned to face an official outside the ring and start a conversation with him. Cortez never even saw Mayweather land his first sucker punch because HE WASN’T EVEN LOOKING AT THEM!
Peej: Go to youtube.com and type this title in the search bar: “Mayweather Ortiz Knockout REAL VIDEO” You can hear everything Cortez says from the moment he stops the fight for the intentional headbutt until Floyd throws his first sucker punch.
God, man! Watch and listen to the GD video. It’s all right there in front of your face, I don’t care how much or how loud you, SRedmond or any other denier wants to rant. YOU ARE WRONG!
Furthermore Peej, what a fighter says when he “calls out” a potential opponent and what they really say when they sit down to hash out a contract are two different things. On an episode of All Access, Canelo made it perfectly clear that he NEVER wanted to fight at anything but 154 but felt he had to make the catchweight concession to get the fight with Floyd.Posted September 15, 2013 8:38 pm
“Hidalgo really sounds like a very bitter and a very twisted old, displaced man, out of his time and out of his depth in every facet of life. Seriously, you need to give up the hate, it will eat you alive just like cancer.”
No hate butthead–er, Voice of Reason (now there’s a misnomer if I ever saw one). It’s little sissy keyboard warriors like you that are bitter twisted and displaced. You little hemorrhoid. You need to stop fisting yourself. Clearly it’s permanently damaged your thought processes.Posted September 15, 2013 8:17 pm
VOICE OF REASON
Anyone seen Boo Radley?Posted September 15, 2013 7:32 pm
VOICE OF REASON
Anyone seen Tark?Posted September 15, 2013 7:31 pm
VOICE OF REASON
Anyone seen Oscar?Posted September 15, 2013 7:30 pm
One thing that can be done to end absurd decisions: suspend judges who are obv out of line. Whether its through bribery or incompetence (right) the reason doesn’t matter. All commissions have the right to do that suspend judges, yet NJ is the only one that has in recent history. Had the NSAC suspended CJ Ross for her absurd 115-113 Bradley over Pacquiao scorecard, she would not have created a sideshow with her absurd 114-114 draw in Floyd-Canelo.Posted September 15, 2013 6:36 pm
Lefhook, lolPosted September 15, 2013 5:34 pm
Well guys I called both big fights last night, i’m the new boxtra lolPosted September 15, 2013 5:01 pm
And say what you want but in my mind Floyd is one of the greatest, but the reaosn he will never be THE greatest is that he never fought Pacman. If he had fought and beat Pacman two years ago he would now be considered undesputed greatest of all time.Posted September 15, 2013 4:46 pm
This writer right about there being no one left really at his weight. Thats a part from Pacman who would still make the bigegst fight in history. I would like to see him fight Khan though. I’d bet Mayweather to KO Khan, but until he gets KO’d it would be an interesting fight to see how Khans speed measured up to Mayweather.Posted September 15, 2013 4:40 pm
One other thing here. Those who did not complain when she was appointed to judge this fight need to temper their outrage because they too were part of the problem Where was Ellerbe, Hopkins, and all of the writers when Ross was a named a judge? There was plenty of warning and the advisors should have stepped up and complained to Keith Kizer. Do you think for one minute that Freddie Roach would ever agree to Ford or Ross judging one of his fights?Posted September 15, 2013 3:27 pm
Kid Blast has the beatPosted September 15, 2013 3:15 pm
Why don’t we all ignore Boxtrada-n-us and starve it so that it withers up and blows away like so much loose garbage,Posted September 15, 2013 3:00 pm
I get the slow down message even on slow threads.Posted September 15, 2013 3:00 pm
email to firstname.lastname@example.org and voice your complaintPosted September 15, 2013 2:54 pm
I think I know why ESB tells us to not to post so fast and to slow down?
It has something to do with simultaneous posts and is more likely to occur in a hot thread.
Just a hunch but it is wise to make a copy of any long post.Posted September 15, 2013 2:48 pm
I had the fight a straight white wash. Even in round 12 with FM on his bike… his punches were more hurtful than Alvarez.
Leonard Ellerbe got FM to stop saying all his opponents were ‘C’ class because of course that begs the question: “Then why are you fighting them?”
That aside, Mayweather overly-praised Alvarez who has been massively over-hyped. The only place he is ‘going’ is ‘down,’ figuratively and literally. No decent welter will fear him – not saying Alvarez won’t beat many; but his stamina issues, grotesquely over-rated power, bloody HORRIBLE corner … What makes me sick is that Alvarez knew he would lose and is IMHO, only in boxing to make as much as he can as quickly as he can. Hey, laudable. He’s like Chad Dawson; however, I never really got the feeling he particularly enjoys boxing.Posted September 15, 2013 2:47 pm
De Lima I.
She did it again! CJ should be fired without pay!
Well you don’t have to like him as a human being, but FMJ certainly deserves accolades as a boxer. This guy is quite simply brilliant.
I had it 118-110Posted September 15, 2013 2:44 pm
Before the Canelo-Mayweather fight, I expressed my concern about the outcome as follows: “…While highly-respected Kenny Bayless will be the referee, Judge C.J. Ross is cause for concern as she will be remembered for scoring the Pacquiao-Bradley fight for Bradley, 115-113. Craig Metcalfe is less established and experienced, and this hardly seems the fight for a learning experience. Thankfully, Dave Moretti is solid.”
Metcalf and Moretti delivered scores (117-111 and 116-112) and those scores, in and of themselves, raised eyebrows, but 72-year-old C.J. Ross again astonished the boxing world by calling this one-sided fight an incomprehensible 114-114. What makes this particularly egregious is that her unacceptable work was predictable. Ross gave four of the last five rounds to Alvarez. Dave Moretti (116-112) scored three of the last five for Alvarez (bad enough) and Craig Metcalfe (117-111) scored two of the last five for Alvarez. Many respected boxing people had the fight 119-109.
I suspect there will be the usual calls for an eye exam, an explanation, and a review of Ross’s scoring. That always seems to happen, but this was her second horrendous scoring in a mega fight. No investigation or explanation is required. Quite simply and for the good of boxing, strong consideration should be given to pulling Cynthia J. Ross’s license as a boxing judge in Nevada.Posted September 15, 2013 2:42 pm
Honestly, I don’t think ANY of the judges got it right. I scored the fight last night and most that I could give Canelo was TWO rounds, and maybe even that was being a tiny bit generous. I guess the Canelo fans cheering wildly, whether he missed or not, influenced them. 116-112 was also out of line. I reviewed the fight and still could’n’t conceivably give Canelo 4 rounds, no way, not even three.Posted September 15, 2013 2:39 pm
Only guy who can beat Mayweather currently is Golovkin. Fight could be made at 154 but unlikely the two sides could come to an agreement.Posted September 15, 2013 2:21 pm
Yes I remember…..TARK was one of them…..
“Remember, Floyd was suppose to be scared of Alvarez and never fight him.”Posted September 15, 2013 2:12 pm
Mayweather is simply one of the best to ever do it. Haters really can’t say anything now. Remember, Floyd was suppose to be scared of Alvarez and never fight him. Canalo even believed the hype and started talking smack, thinking Floyd wouldn’t take the challenge; Floyd did and dominated Canalo even more so than he did with Guerrero. Kkan won’t beat Floyd, because with all his strengths, Khan has a glass chin and he loses his focus. All Floyd needs to do is time him and catch him mentally sleeping and it’s over. Garcia proved himself to be a good student of Bernard Hopkins in his fight, but he’s clearly not skilled enough to hang with Mayweather. It would be another dominating boxing display. And Floyd isn’t moving to middleweight. He simply doesn’t have the body to do so. He barely makes 154. Floyd proved himself an ATG stepping up to fight Alvarez and making it look so easy. But then, he already was an ATG, now haters are running out of excuses.Posted September 15, 2013 2:07 pm
Whatta stupid entrance….Money is so disagreeable!!Posted September 15, 2013 2:06 pm
Can’t call someone a cheat when it is not illegal. So your point is weak. Keep your hands up at all time. You constantly talk about Floyd sucker punching someone when the ref clearly said fight. And now your complaining about a fighter who came up with the 153lb catch weight whom originally called Floyd out at 150lb saying he was drained. People just wanna find reasons to hate when there is just not much to hate on anymorePosted September 15, 2013 2:05 pm
One thing that can be done immediately is for writers – Slater – to STOP HYPING fights that don’t deserve it such as this one. Judges are human too and they can’t help but hear all of the pre-hype and possibly be influenced by it. It was a forgone conclusion the second this fight was made that Mayweather would win a comfortable decision but what we got instead was tons of HYPE along with use of nick names to sell a fight that figured to not be much of one from the get go instead of objective analysis.Posted September 15, 2013 1:56 pm
People need to realize Mayweather isn’t fighting any Top Rank fighter at this point, unless they leave Top Rank. So fights like Pacquiao and Bradley, just won’t happen…. As far as GGG, goes he’s not in the running either. He’s an HBO fighter at this point, and he fights at 160. Mayweather isn’t even a 154 pound fighter.Posted September 15, 2013 1:54 pm
It did not even look like Floyd was challenged in this fight. He had Canelos number from the start. I see him leaving the sport undefeated easily. Who’s left that will pose a challenge?Posted September 15, 2013 1:50 pm
I only gave Canelo 1 round in a fight that I figured he would be winning in the first half of the fight. That was easy work for Mayweather. Canelo looked like a sparring partner in there. No way he won more than 3 rounds in that fight.Posted September 15, 2013 1:49 pm
Mayweathers next 4 fights in a perfect world.
The 2 faster and purer boxers (Money & Swift) won their fights because they were the better boxers.
I’m not sure why people keep saying Mayweather needs to fight Pacman. There is no reward in this fight now. He’s been beaten twice in a row and if Mayweather beats him folks will say but he didn’t fight him in his prime. Listen, Marquez deserves another crack before Pacman does.Posted September 15, 2013 1:19 pm
“the mans an illogical fool who cannot stomach the mind ending Greatness of Floyd Mayweather…”
The facts remain, punk Redmond:
Floyd used xylocaine injections to help him not only to continue fighting but to win fights because without the drug, he may not have been able to continue due to pain in his hands.
Floyd DID cheat on his weight in his fight with Marquez and the $600K penalty he paid proves that he did so.
Floyd did sucker-punch Ortiz–videos don’t lie.
Yet in all his greatness, Floyd still had to have Canelo come in at a catchweight to ensure he could beat him. Otherwise why didn’t Floyd, his daddy and all of team Mayweather just take the fight at 154?
And no matter how much you insult me you little nutsucker, these facts are in the history books and/or on video for all history. Floyd’s “mind ending Greatness” has been augmented with drugs, cheating, and catchweight clauses which he either ignored or required because he had doubts about himself. Otherwise he would have met those requirements!
So shut up. Besides, you know you’d never show up.Posted September 15, 2013 1:04 pm
You guys are missing the picture its like a chess board don’t look at the pawns you need the King. Someone wanted a Canelo to win the fight or a draw at minimum and perpetrated a little hanky panky. Luckily PBF pitched a shut out and derailed the plan. If not for PBF insane skills the plan would have worked.Posted September 15, 2013 1:00 pm
I cannot think of another all-time-great who was touched by leather less than Mayweather. Even the stunning defensive artists of Whitaker and Pep were tagged substantially more than Mayweather. It is getting more and more difficult to find all-time-greats who can fully measure up to the master-class sweet science of Mayweather.Posted September 15, 2013 12:59 pm
BANNED FOR LIFE! I found myself looking for rounds to gift Canelo — the WRONG thing to do as a judge. I only saw ONE round where there was NO DOUBT in my mind that Canelo won the round. There were perhaps two more where I was looking for something, ANYTHING as an excuse to gift the round to Canleo. My final card at 117-111 I thought was generous to Canelo. Therefore, in my view 116-112 was out of line, never mind 114-114. I cannot imagine any angle of observation that could cause a judge to see Canelo winning 6 rounds — a virtual impossibility. She should be BANNED FOR LIFE!Posted September 15, 2013 12:51 pm
BTW, SRedmond, when and where did I defend Ortiz’s intentional headbutting? When, punk? Quote me. Cite the thread, date, article. Show me, punk.Posted September 15, 2013 12:50 pm
“Hidalgo is the epitome of a BITTER man lobbing accusations ”
SRedmond, you flaming punk.Posted September 15, 2013 12:49 pm
HEY NEVADA! WAKE THE “F” UP! YOU ARE BEGINNING TO LOOK LIKE TEXAS-NORTH!Posted September 15, 2013 12:44 pm
I HAD FIGHT 117-111,AND the closest 116-112 Mayweather. The good thing is that the correct figghter recieved the decision. Agreat fight, CaneloAlverez has nothing to be ashamed of he just faught a pound for pound alltime great. Like Mayweather or not he is a pound for pound all time great.Posted September 15, 2013 12:43 pm
Was the the Judge a Mexican Ginger also?Posted September 15, 2013 12:38 pm
Ray Leonard, Tommy Hearns and Roberto Duran would have all been easy nights for Mayweather if they all fought at 36… Those fighters are all ATG’s bout Tommy was getting blasted by Iran Barkley and Ray was getting abused by Terry Norris chosen for his perceived China Chin… Mayweather has maintained form and worked hard at his craft… It’s his time and for 17 years NO ONE has been able to find him unfocused or unprepared… I love Ray, Tommy and Duran but even Sugar said “I would not even try to hit Mayweather on the chin”… This is a special fighter, an ATG and when he’s gone his defense and ability to command the ring will be the stuff of legends…Posted September 15, 2013 12:31 pm
Problem is most of y’all haters picked Canelo to KO Floyd. Floyd made easy work of him so now the haters are back to we’ll he couldn’t beat so and so from 30 or 30 years ago. That’s all debate cause the fight can never happen. What is fact is Floyd has fought more titlest or champs in a row than any other boxerPosted September 15, 2013 12:01 pm
Canelos ring IQ was light years behind Mayweathers. Funny thing is Mayweather left his house, drove to the other side of town to the MGM and did his thing. Floyd then gets in his car drives home, had dinner and called it a day. FMM….THE ONE. End of story.Posted September 15, 2013 11:59 am
People forget that Floyd don’t have 1 punch KO power. To see have Floyd Jr would have done in the era of Learn, Hearns and Duran, The apple don’t fall to far from the tree, just look at Floyd Sr. whose KO ratio with Floyd Jr is about the same. Leonard made that fight look like child’s play. the difference between Floyd Sr. and Floyd Jr, fighting is that Floyd Jr moves a little more in a big ring, Floyd Sr didn’t have that option to pick the ring size. He had to fight who was place in front of him. The saying is very important in determining Mayweather greatness. When Mike Tyson was at the top of his game, his former manager Jim Jacobs was asked about the opponents that were picked for Mike Tyson. He simply said “there is nothing more important as picking the right opponents for Mike Tyson. Fast forward, there is nothing more important then picking the right opponents for Floyd Mayweather, it is not that he is so great, but just the righ opponents are picked for him, unlike those in the previous era. Thomas Hearn simply said “The number 1 guy had to fight the next guy coming up, we didn’t have the choice to pick them” Like wise with Floyd Sr. if he wanted to be on top he had to fight Leonard plan and simple,Posted September 15, 2013 11:56 am
There was an article mentioning the draw option and even calling “The One” – The Two long before you posted yours, it was about the political factors. Stop plagiarizing.Posted September 15, 2013 11:40 am
joseph good morning i tRIED JUDGEING ESPN FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTSPosted September 15, 2013 11:39 am
VOICE OF REASON
Hidalgo really sounds like a very bitter and a very twisted old, displaced man, out of his time and out of his depth in every facet of life. Seriously, you need to give up the hate, it will eat you alive just like cancer.Posted September 15, 2013 11:25 am
We’re going to be discussing this topic and many others on tonight’s episode of “The Pugilist KOrner”…it begins at 9PM EST…you can be a part of the show and voice your opinion by calling in with 718-506-1506Posted September 15, 2013 11:20 am
@Fighting Words – Offensively, both Hearns and Leonard carried more power and one punch KO power than Mayweather, but you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would say they are better defensively. That has to count for something. If a prime Mayweather were to travel back in time and fight in that era from 147 say up to 160, three fighters n their respective prime would give him problems…Benitez, Hagler, and (Donald) Curry. Duran as well but only at 135lbs.
Posted September 15, 2013 10:42 am
THE LONE STAR COBRA was exposed by McCallum’s counter left hook, a punch Floyd throws shorter and sweeter…Mayweather beats him up…. Radar was brilliant defensively but could be frustrated and outboxes by the patient types. Floyd takes a UD over boxing’s youngest ever champion. HAGLER may prove too big and relentless but would be badly marked up at the finish by the complete counter- puncher….
I predict Floyd too accurate and defensively sound to beat Sugar Ray….I remember the
Good article and I agree with everything Slater said. One answer to the problem is to have alternative judges watching the fight sitting side by side or somewhere near the three official judges. Better training is required such as showing judges films of fights without them knowing the outcome, and see how they score the fight.
Exactly what is required to be a judge? Whatever it is, Ross missed that training session (and lots of others). She made $8000 for last night’s fight and that was an easy $8000 in her pocket. I’m not saying that she or any judge is corrupt, they’re just incompetent. Mayweather was smart not to say anything about the judges after the fight because he does make his money in Vegas.Posted September 15, 2013 11:02 am
If someone is out right a bad judge like this woman in this fight.Then after one bad call a suspension the next time fired for good…no more judgeing jobs.If someone knows their going to lose their job for good,its amazing how they can change.Also follow the money,if someone is judgeing so bad dont be shocked a pay-off is taking place.So having the ablity to peep into their accounts,finding checks,large sums of cash deposited,maybe a new car,tracking some of these things could lead to the answer.Let the governing bodies of these belts do alittle police work.Posted September 15, 2013 11:00 am
Cj ross shouldnt be allowed to judge another fight! 114-114 draw? Wtf! I gave canelo 2 rds at best. Canelo is the real deal n will rule 154lb if he stays. But floyd is on another level! Cant see anyone beating him! Not even pac!!!Posted September 15, 2013 10:58 am
sugar ray would have beat pbf but have got give floyd credit he made a great fighter look ordinary in fact he makes most fighters look ordinary ,a truly gifted fighter and one of the best boxers ever to lace upPosted September 15, 2013 10:57 am
The Mad Scientist
So what’s next for Mayweather..?Posted September 15, 2013 10:51 am
@Fighting Words – Offensively, both Hearns and Leonard carried more power and one punch KO power than Mayweather, but you’d be hard pressed to find someone who would say they are better defensively. That has to count for something. If a prime Mayweather were to travel back in time and fight in that era from 147 say up to 160, three fighters n their respective prime would give him problems…Benitez, Hagler, and (Donald) Curry. Duran as well but only at 135lbs.Posted September 15, 2013 10:42 am
Fighting Words if you think the judge that had it a draw had it correct then you know nothing on how to score a fight.Posted September 15, 2013 10:37 am
Mayweather won the WBC and WBA titles last night, as well he has the WBO WW title. Lets see if he fights a mandatory at 154. My guess the WBC nor the WBA will not force him the fight the mandatory or give up the title. When Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield had those title at the same time, they had to defend them every 3 months against the Mandatory or a voluntary defense, but the fighter had to be in the top 10.Posted September 15, 2013 10:35 am
absolutely right on. The fact pbf still won could negate the outrage of the draw as well as the hate of pbf by many. I wanted canelo to win, but he got shut out.if you were generous there were 2 rounds he did a little more than avg and floyd did a lil less, and if you gave him one I think you gave him both. If you hate floyd or were paid off, you might have found a 3rd round. if you were on acid and weren’t sure what you were watching, you could find a 4th. We need a national judging review comission that will take away judging licenses for decisions like this.Posted September 15, 2013 10:35 am
Prior to the fight I really felt that a win for Canelo is what would have been best for boxing; however, in my scoring of the fight, at best Canelo could have been gifted only one round, and honestly, it would have been a gift. Floyd put on a clinic. To minimize confusion, let’s separate this fight from the P4P argument, and just look at what happened during the 12 rounds. Floyd dominated every aspect of the fight. It’s that simple. Canelo himself post fight admitted that he could not get to Floyd. What’s left to argue? If the judges had scored the fight 120 – 108 for Floyd, they would not have gotten an argument from me. As for the future, all the best to both Floyd and Canelo.Posted September 15, 2013 10:32 am
At worst, the 116-112 scorecard was as close as this fight got. The fact that she had Bradley beating Pacman means she shouldn’t have been judging this fight in the first place.Posted September 15, 2013 10:28 am
Simple answer. Have a worldwide judging commission. The more competent they are the higher their ranking. The judge who scored a draw for Mayweather/Canelo also scored for Tim Bradley vs Pac. Im not sure what shes looking at but any one of us on these forums would give anything for that job last night.Posted September 15, 2013 10:27 am
Although it would be a good fight, Mayweather will be hard press to accept a fight with Danny Garcia. Garcia has a great jab and he throws it often, he does not gas out and he has a great left hook which spells a nightmare for the should roll stand that Mayweather used aganist Canelo. Plus Danny dad Angel would set the fight on edge, people will buy this fight.Posted September 15, 2013 10:26 am
The judge that gave it a draw did a great job, it seems that was judging the fight correct. Canelo was using he jab well same as Mayweather, Canelo was connecting with doubl jabs and Mayweather connecting with single jabs. Mayweather won the fight by a couple of rounds, but it was by no means a shout out, none of the other judges had it a shout out. People who think that Mayweather was untouchable and should have won every round is why Mayweather makes millions for his fights, you can tell that, by seeing the raaction of many, even though Mayweather that was not good enough, they want him to win every round so they can be mislead by his skill level, mind you I am not saying he is not skillful, just that a good boxer will beat Mayweather every day of the week. Mayweather only threw combos only when Canelo was tired, shame on Canelo, he is not a hype job he just don’t have control of his breathing. Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard would have beat Mayweather relatively easy. On thing about Mayweather, he is in the right era for his skill level, just like the K. brothers.Posted September 15, 2013 10:12 am
Well, it was nice of Slater to start off talking about one thing then end the article with three paragraphs on an entirely different subject. Oh well–amateur writer.
Anyways, Slater said:
“Fighters risk their very lives in the ring judges are privileged to sit so close to and they deserve to be protected, not run the risk of being screwed out of their livelihood by disgraceful officiating.”
I suppose when boxers aren’t allowed to supplement their performance with pain killing injections, or write last-minute contracts that allow them to cheat on their weight or throw dangerous sucker punches that could potentially end their opponent’s career, then we’ll see some changes in judging. Or maybe not.Posted September 15, 2013 10:11 am
Pacman and Tim Bradley is probably out of the question. Those are top rank fighters and Bob Arum doesn’t like Floyd or Golden Boy too much. I’m thinking Floyd fights another GB fighter…maybe Danny Garcia. Still too young and green for me tho!Posted September 15, 2013 10:10 am
Floyd’s next fights in no order. 1) PAC man 2) Timothy bradly 3) Garcia 4) glovkin. Skills pay the bills but Sergio is really much to big as Floyd weight in at 146 yesterday morning and walked in the ring at 150 1/2. Sergio fights at 160 so assume he is between 175 and 180 naturally, but who knowsPosted September 15, 2013 9:49 am
Bad judging is as old as the game itself. Nothing can be “done” about it. It’s part of the sport. Sure you can ban morons like Ross but that another one simply takes her place. It really should serve as notice to all fighters to not let the judges have the fight.Posted September 15, 2013 9:46 am
HOW could C.J. Ross possibly score that a draw??? She should NEVER judge a fight again!!!Posted September 15, 2013 9:46 am
Anonymous yeah Canelo posed a threat to the 0 more than the fighters you just named. That is before the fight actually happened SMH. To even insinuate that Floyd is ducking a fighter now to save his 0 is just retarded. He beat the beat the best opponent out there for him. The fighter everyone thought could challenge and actually beat him. Floyd embarrassed this guy proving once again that he on a completely different level like him or not.Posted September 15, 2013 9:44 am
Da UnKnown Comic
CJ Ross. You can’t find anyone in Timothy Bradley’s FAMILY who have him 7 rounds against pacquiao. But she did. Then she gave Alvarez 6 rounds last nite. But guess what? She won’t be suspended and if she is, she’ll be back in like 6 months doing a big fight.Posted September 15, 2013 9:39 am
114-114 judge = BOB ARUM/GOLDEN BOY JUDGE !!!!Posted September 15, 2013 9:35 am
EZ E HAD CANELO MATTHYSSEPosted September 15, 2013 9:32 am
I didn’t realise that judge was female until reading these comments. Well at least it makes sense now.Posted September 15, 2013 9:29 am
Well… Floyd did say that it would be an EASIER fight that Cotto and IT CERTAINLY WAS!!! And… once again CJ Ross embarrassed himself, insulted the fans and hurt our sport!!Posted September 15, 2013 9:25 am
ex fighters make the best trainers, and the best judges, she probably never had a schoolyard fight. one can only be judged by one’s peers in anything line of work…….Posted September 15, 2013 9:18 am
cj ross has to GOPosted September 15, 2013 9:07 am
BAN HER FROM GETTING 5 FEET NEAR A BOXING RING FOR LIFE, HOW MANY TIMES DOES A JUDGE HAVE TO PUT A FIGHTERS CAREER AT RISK? THE COMMISSIONS ARE THE ONES AT FAULT HERE, THEY KNOW WHATS GOING ON AND TURN A BLIND EYE, ALLOWING DECISIONS LIKE THIS TO CONTINUE.Posted September 15, 2013 9:02 am
I TRIED JUDGEING ESPN FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTSPosted September 15, 2013 8:47 am
De la hoya paid her off b4 going to rehabPosted September 15, 2013 8:43 am
She’s the same judge that had Bradley over Pac. She needs to be disqualified as a judge.Posted September 15, 2013 8:42 am
What is going on with these messages telling us not to post so fast and to slow down?Posted September 15, 2013 8:31 am
There is only one solution for poor officiating.The guilty parties must be fired like they would be from nearly any other job.Posted September 15, 2013 8:30 am
NOTHING ESB QUIT TELLING ME TO SLOW DOWNPosted September 15, 2013 8:23 am
ONLY IN AMERICA.Posted September 15, 2013 8:22 am
BURN THE WITCH!!!!Posted September 15, 2013 8:21 am
Shouldnt the mere fact that a writer would remotely think that this fight could possibly end in a draw also be investigated when it was so very very obvious from the moment it was made that Mayweather would cruise to a decision?Posted September 15, 2013 8:20 am
That chick has NO BUSINESS judging professional boxing and as of late appears to be rooting for the underdog against elite fighters…She should be made an example of and basically forced to find another line of work.. If she wanted to be liberal, give Canelo 4 rounds but 6????? Had she blinked she may have given him 7 rounds and had him winning… After her crimes against Manny and Floyd this wench needs to stay outta boxing..Posted September 15, 2013 8:16 am
Did all of you say the same about the Bradley PAC fight bcuz all of those judges should of been fired further more there’s a lot of Fighters he should fight Sergio pac ggg ect……. But he won’t they pose a threat to the 0 lolPosted September 15, 2013 8:15 am
Exiled yank she’s the one that gave Bradley the win on pacmanPosted September 15, 2013 8:15 am
why is C.J.Ross still judging? useless cowPosted September 15, 2013 8:12 am
There is very little left out there to test Floyd
Tim Bradley (if he gets past Marquez)
And the finally bow out with
I seem to recall Ross having other questionable cards in prior fights. A draw was ludicrous.Posted September 15, 2013 7:50 am
The official CJ Ross should be sacker forthwith, absolute disgrace, and personally I would never have a woman as a judge, absolute no go area.Mayweather would also beat Khan if they fought by again what has khan done to warrant a bout with Floyd.It really is now the time to step up to the mark and finally fight the one man in the world who is all completely wrong for him in style,Pacman there is no one else out there for him.Posted September 15, 2013 7:46 am
“SHE” should never be allowed to judge a world title fight again!!!!Posted September 15, 2013 7:43 am
nice article…Posted September 15, 2013 7:37 am